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Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump departs after he was deposed for a lawsuit involving partners in a restaurant venture at offices in Washington, U.S. June 16, 2016. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

Published with permission from Alternet.

A new lawsuit filed in Manhattan Federal Court alleges that Donald Trump repeatedly raped a 13-year-old girl a little over 20 years ago. According to the now-adult woman’s filing, the sexual assaults took place at parties held by Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire former hedge funder who pleaded guilty in 2008 to charges involving soliciting sex from underage girls as young as 14.

In the filing, the woman states the assaults took place in 1994. She said Epstein lured her to his Upper East Side home—then dubbed Wexner Mansion—with promises of a career in modeling and large sums of money. Once there, Jane Doe says she was violently raped by Trump, according to Death and Taxes:

In the court filing, “Defendant Trump” allegedly “initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”
In the next section, she adds that “Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump, Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed.”

Jane Doe describes, in graphic detail, being anally and vaginally raped, and also being physically struck by Epstein. The complaint goes on to allege that Epstein threatened Jane Doe’s safety and that of her family should she reveal the attack to outside sources. “Both defendants let plaintiff know that each was a very wealthy, powerful man and indicated that they had the power, ability and means to carry out their threats,” the complaint states, according to the Real Deal.

Death and Taxes reports a second anonymous woman, identified as “Tiffany Doe,” who corroborates the charges in the lawsuit, stating that she witnessed the rape. Tiffany Doe testified that between 1991 and 2001, Epstein put her on his payroll, tasking her with bringing underage girls to parties.

Epstein—who was alleged to have preyed on dozens of underage girls throughout the 1990s and early aughts, but was convicted on a single charge for which he served 13 months—has refuted the woman’s claims. Trump Organization vice president and general counsel Alan Garten issued a statement saying the charges are “categorically untrue, completely fabricated and politically motivated,” according to the Daily News.

The lawsuit was originally filed in a California court. At the time, Jane Doe—who used her real name—did not have the aid of counsel in filing and the suit was dismissed due to problems with paperwork. Doe’s new lawyer, Thomas Meagher, told the Daily News the first filing also “cited statutes that did not apply to the case.”

Jane Doe is suing for $75,000, payment of her attorney’s fees, and an order of protection against Trump. She says she waited many years before filing suit out of fear that Trump and Epstein would make good on their promises to harm her family.

Trump has long admitted to being friendly with Epstein, telling New York Magazine several years ago, “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

In 2009, Mark Epstein, Jeffrey’s brother, testified under oath that Trump flew at least once on Epstein’s private plane, the so-called “Lolita Express,” according toVice. (According to flight logs, so did Bill Clinton.) The site also notes that Epstein’s private phone book, of which the FBI has a copy, includes phone numbers and information for Donald Trump, along with Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, Tony Blair, former Utah governor and Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, Senator Edward Kennedy, Henry Kissinger, and David Koch.

Vice writes that “in 2010, Epstein pled the Fifth when asked by a lawyer representing one of Epstein’s victims about his relationship with Trump:

Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?

A. What do you mean by “personal relationship,” sir?

Q. Have you socialized with him?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Yes?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?

A: Though I’d like to answer that question, at least today I’m going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.”

In the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump, biographer Harry Hurt points to a deposition in which Trump’s ex-wife Ivana accused the billionaire of marital rape. According to the Daily Beast, which revisited the charge last year, just before the book went to print, Donald Trump’s lawyers provided a new statement from Ivana, in which she mitigated her original words:

“During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. [O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.”

In her complaint, Jane Doe contends that Donald Trump was aware that she was 13 at the time of the assaults.

 

Photo: Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump departs after he was deposed for a lawsuit involving partners in a restaurant venture at offices in Washington, U.S. June 16, 2016.  REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst   

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  1. stcroixcarp June 22, 2016

    Pig.

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  2. clifton June 22, 2016

    rapist trump now we know why he takes up for Tyson and other rapist

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  3. bobnstuff June 22, 2016

    If he didn’t know he would go to jail he would be bragging about it.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

      Men like Trump don’t EVER go to jail. When you consider how the Robber Barons of the 1900s literally got away with murder, you see why these megalithic troglodytes of Neoconery today think laws are for their armies of subordinates.

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      1. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

        sadly, you have it right.

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      2. paulyz June 23, 2016

        How about men like Bill Clinton?

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 24, 2016

          Awww…PaulyZ is trying to equate raping an underage girl with those golddiggers Rove, Norquist, Reed, Prince and Starr tried to use as “rape victims?”

          Tell us PaulyZ how was Monica Lewinsky already in her middle 20s raped with a cigar? Wow..must have been a long time since any woman bothers to look your way. Guess you have to pay for what you want right?

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          1. paulyz June 24, 2016

            Another deflection by you, who ever mentioned Monica Lewinsky? Other women came forward claiming Billy Boy raped them, or took advantage of them. Another Liberal woman like you gives Billy a pass, quite funny since you hate men, but don’t stick up for women, only Liberal ones??

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker June 25, 2016

            What deflection? You were the one accusing President Clinton of rape, not I. Sorry dickhead. But when you open that big fat yap, you are stuck with what you posted.

            No other women who claimed they were raped were underage. And, check the court records which are more legal than the BS you post. All three of those women were planted by Rove, Norquist, Reed, Starr and Prince in an effort to get rid of the then Arkansas governor. All 3 of those women ended up in court themselves.

            Next lie you want to invent liar?

            Funny how you automatically go for that ancient and threadbare BS “liberal” label when you are so typical of mentally ill men who sit day after day with nothing in your pathetic sociopathic lives but posting lies you can’t prove. What about proof don’t you like? That it makes you a public liar?

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  4. Box June 22, 2016

    Trump has never shied away from his fondness for women and the train of women has been very public, and although being with a underage girl is something new, judging by Epstein’s list its more common that most people would think. But among them, President Clinton seems to be in league with Bill Cosby for big numbers and nobody was a greater denier. On national TV, “you listen to me, I never touched that girl!” The ink wasnt dry on those words and Clinton was already being impeached for lies. Then Grandma Hillary, instead of helping the women in their fight for justice, spent her energy shutting them up and shutting them out. What a great example you are, Hillary, in your “fight for womens rights.” Trump is now alleged to shut the girl up, and same with Hillary in Bill Clintons many adventures. So before you say Trump isnt suitable for president, neither is Hillary. Both swine.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

      How do you DARE compare accusations of rape to President Clinton? You need your head examined. You are one jealous man who didn’t get away with your infidelity and you loathe the idea that President Clinton still has HIS wife and daughter.

      Grow the hell up. Your constant hateful bashing of the Clintons is your compulsive obsessive nut freak mentality. No one is buying it.

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      1. itsfun June 22, 2016

        How much money has Hillary accepted from foreign leaders that believe in abusing and raping women, not allowing women to be educated. Bill Clinton is a proven sexual predator

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        1. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

          Well, that certainly excuses The Donald.

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          1. itsfun June 22, 2016

            No it does not. If he did such a terrible thing, he belongs in prison. I don’t want either of these people to be my President. They both lack in character and integrity. Nothing good can come from voting for proven liars, probably criminals.

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          2. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Well we’re ok with Hillary, she is not evil. She has a lot integrity, yes Trump lacks that, and her character is that of a fighter, a person that will work for the betterment of this nation. Trump is a liar.

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          3. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Hillary has no character or integrity. She lied about Benghazi, being under attack when she landed in Bosnia, when she was actually greeted by little girls giving her roses. She has lied about her personal email server. She won’t release her speeches given to wall street bankers. She says she can’t wait to talk to the FBI, but refused to talk to a Obama appointed Inspector general.

            https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-006&ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1-tyc&p=videos%20of%20hillary%20lies%20for%2013&type=

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          4. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Please those are white lies, she is not a saint, just a far better person then Trump could ever attempt to be. You are going to have to take stock on sugar to cover up for Trump.

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          5. itsfun June 22, 2016

            white lies about murder. She is not a better person than Trump, she is just a bigger liar.

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          6. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Where is your proof on murder. YOU ARE A LIAR like Trump.

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          7. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Benghazi

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          8. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Really, again where is the proof. 13 hours of grueling testimony and billions of dollars spent trying to make something out of nothing and you are still try to sell it. What’s in it for you?

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          9. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I want a honest non-liar for my next President. That is what I hope is in it for me.

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          10. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Then why do you praise Trump, that’s what is mind boggling.

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          11. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I don’t praise Trump. I don’t like him as a Presidential candidate. I like Hillary even less. I have said many times we need a none of the above option on the ballet. I have also said many times, our country is in for at least 4 tough years, because both of the candidates are hated by the other Party and will get nothing done because of that.

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          12. jmprint June 22, 2016

            No you are wrong, we are all fed up. it’s not only those that want change (even if we fall of the cliff). Hard working individuals, whether his ethnicity, or gender, average means or poor we just want fairness. You are so negative, when has negativity turned things to the better?

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          13. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Do you believe that either Trump or Hillary will have a easy time getting Congress to go along with them? Not going to happen is this partisan world. To much power and money on each side of the aisle.

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          14. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Congress is the problem, are you watching the Democrats hard at work, trying to pass some kind of reform on guns. That’s what it takes. Yes will have to make them accountable to us. it’s time.

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          15. itsfun June 23, 2016

            I doubt if that happens. Congress has a terrible rating by citizens, but the individuals in Congress receive good ratings by their states and districts. Politically the country is so divided, it may take decades for Congress to get on the same chapter, much less the same page.

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          16. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            Multiple REPUBLICAN led committees, millions of dollars and not ONE SHRED of evidence supports your conclusions… Just because you fervently wish something was true, doesn’t actually make it so; I suspect you haven’t grasped that simple fact of life yet.

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        2. Bill P June 22, 2016

          The US Gov’t is then guilty of what you are trying to accuse Hillary of. The US has relations with numerous countries in the Middle East that are doing the same thing. From Politfact Wisconsin ”
          Priebus said Clinton took “money from kings of Saudi Arabia and Morocco and Oman and Yemen.”
          The monarchies of Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Oman have contributed to the Clinton Foundation, but Yemen, which does not have a king, has not.
          And although Priebus’ claim was made during a discussion of the foundation as well as contributions to political candidates, his phrasing could have left the impression that Clinton herself, rather than the foundation, received the money.
          For a statement that is partially accurate, our rating is Half True.

          The Supreme Court ruled in 2012 that “In a terse four words, the Supreme Court on Monday issued an order upholding prohibitions against foreigners making contributions to influence American elections”. There is no proof that Hillary took money for her campaign from foreign countries or leaders.

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          1. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Just follow the money trail Bill and you will see where certain countries were given political favors after contributing to the Clinton foundation.

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          2. Bill P June 23, 2016

            Again you make a specific claim that “How much money has Hillary accepted from foreign leaders that believe in abusing and raping women, not allowing women to be educated” but show no proof that her campaign has accepted any foreign money Funds sent to the Clinton Foundation are not contributions to Hillary’s campaign. Show me some proof.

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          3. itsfun June 23, 2016

            Many times I have done just that. I post the proof of what I say and all I get back is things like: your sources are bogus, your sources aren’t telling the whole truth, etc. From now on if anyone doesn’t like what I post prove its not true. You and all can do your own research, I am done doing that. I even did a cut and paste from the Constitution once and got a reply from a women telling me how bogus that was. I showed where in the Constitution it was, and then she accused me of setting her up. From now on show me the proof or just don’t read my posts.

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          4. Bill P June 24, 2016

            Well if Breitbart, WND, Daily Caller are your only sources I would question them. Your statement of ‘From now on if anyone doesn’t like what I post prove its not true” When you claim something it’s up to you to prove it otherwise I refute without providing any proof too. That is bullshit. As for your original claim that Hillary has accepted money from foreign leaders, I’m claiming that that is not true, prove me wrong.

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          5. itsfun June 24, 2016

            Make anything up you want to. I don’t care.

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          6. Bill P June 25, 2016

            Might as well you are doing it already. I guess you don’t have the nerve or desire to back up your “alleged” claims.

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          7. itsfun June 25, 2016

            Why waste my time, when no one believes the sources anyway.

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          8. Bill P June 27, 2016

            If your sources aren’t reliable then why should anyone believe them? You make a statement, you are the one that needs to back it up with “provable” facts.

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          9. itsfun June 27, 2016

            If you don’t want to prove me right or wrong, its okay with me. I’ll say what I please, if you don’t like it, don’t read my posts.

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          10. Bill P June 28, 2016

            There you go again changing your position. This is what you wrote “I post the proof of what I say and all I get back is things like: your sources are bogus, your sources aren’t telling the whole truth, etc. From now on if anyone doesn’t like what I post prove its not true” When you are the one claiming something it’s up to you to back it up not anyone else. Making a statement without proof is just innuendo not a fact. Anyone can write something but that doesn’t mean it’s true. I will read whatever I want to and reply to any post that I disagree with. If you don’t like the rules this site don’t post any comments.

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          11. itsfun June 28, 2016

            What are you talking about? I don’t care if you like or don’t like what I say. If I am wrong, just show me where. I don’t care if you read my posts or not. I don’t care one bit what you read or don’t. That completely up to you. I do say you don’t have to read my posts.

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          12. Bill P June 28, 2016

            You make the statement “How much money has Hillary accepted from foreign leaders” but don’t offer any proof? When questioned on the truth of this statement, you offer nothing. Whether you care or not is irrelevant, if you post on this site you are open to replies that may disagree with you. You keep repeating things like don’t read my posts, then don’t write them.

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          13. itsfun June 28, 2016

            I’ll write what I want. I couldn’t care less if you like it not. You are nothing to me.

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          14. Bill P June 29, 2016

            Awww did I hurt your little bitty sensitive mind? You can write whatever you want, if it’s not true I or someone else on this site will challenge you. Whether I’m anything to you is irrelevant except to you.

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          15. itsfun June 29, 2016

            Sorry; but you aren’t capable of hurting me. You are not part of my life at all.

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          16. Bill P June 29, 2016

            Then stop replying to me. You know you can’t because you have nothing going on in your life but writing your uniformed comments on this site.

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          17. itsfun June 29, 2016

            I’ll just start deleting your posts to me when I see your id. That way I don’t have to bother reading them.

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          18. Bill P June 30, 2016

            No you won’t, what else would you do with your empty life?

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        3. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

          How much money did Ronald Reagan accept from countries that rape and murder Women and Children? How much money did GW Bush take from the Saudis who were responsible for 9-11? You REALLY want to play that game?

          Did Ronald Reagan sell arms to terrorists? HELL YES! Did Ronald Reagan cut and run from a war? HELL YES!! Did Ronald Reagan arm the Taliban when it suite US interests? YES HE DID.

          Your nonsense continues like a stream of logic-free verbal diarrhea…

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          1. itsfun June 22, 2016

            You seem to know so much, how much money did Reagan accept from countries that rap and women and children? How much did GW Bush take. Where is your proof that the Saudis were responsible for 9/11?

            Where is it written that if someone commits a crime, that makes it okay for Hillary and Obama to commit a crime?

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          2. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            SO, please point me to all of your posts excoriating Reagan and Bush for all their wrongdoing.. I am SURE you have a vast library of posts that take them to task for all of their VAST failings.

            How many Saudi citizens took part in 9-11? All of them were Saudis, bar 1, so I guess we can say the Saudis were responsible, in EXACTLY the same way that you Republicans think that if a Muslim commits a crime then ALL Muslims are guilty. YOU specifically seem to be a cheerleader for that kind of blanket statement, I’m just using Conservative logic here.

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          3. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Where has anyone said all Muslims are bad. Trump wants a temporary ban on immigration until they can be properly vetted. In a world of terrorists attacking us, how can that be a bad thing. He only wants a good background check on them, that’s all. How many of the 9/11 attackers were Muslim? You are the only one here using blanket statements.

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          4. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            Go to any Conservative Forum and there is unanimous and blanket condemnation of “Muslims”.. Trump wants to ban ALL Muslims from entering the USA based on his own biased perceptions of Muslims; the funny thing is that a white UK citizen was just arrested for trying to kill trump with a gun; will Trump now demand we stop all UK citizens from entering the USA?

            I am still waiting for the extended tome of reference tweets from you denigrating and castigating Reagan and Bush for their massive crimes against humanity and the USA.

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          5. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Trump has only said he wants a temporary ban on Muslims until they can be properly vetted. I think the current laws we have also want background checks on all immigrants. However Obama and Hillary just want anyone to be able to enter. Look at good that is working for Germany. Paris which has the toughest gun laws in the world was attacked. Brussels was attacked. Tell me what does the color of the potential killer of Trump have to do with anything? Do you just hate all white people? I was not on this site when Reagan and Bush were in office, so I don’t have any posts of them anywhere. I don’t believe they ever committed crimes against humanity and the USA. I am more concerned on what is happening now, then I am with what happened in the 1980’s.

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          6. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            no, itsfun, he has called for a complete ban, without exceptions. Don’t twist his words.

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          7. Mortalc01l June 23, 2016

            And even with the attack in Paris, they have 700 X FEWER gun murders per capita than the USA.. Guns in the hands of bad people lead to more deaths period.

            My point was that the attacker was an Englishman, so should Trump not propose a “temporary” ban on all UK citizens following that logic?? The attacker was also a member of the Church of England, therefore should Trump not ban all Christians? That’s his pathetic, schoolboy level of logic; mind-blowingly dumb. You guys literally have no grasp of where your arguments logically progress.

            If a member of Islam attacks the USA, ban all Muslims ergo, if a white UK citizen who is a Christian does the same thing, do you not do exactly the same?? And if not, why? What is the difference?

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          8. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What is the percentage of terrorists that are Muslims compared to a citizen of the UK?

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          9. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            You haven’t been listening to what Trump has said. He wants a ban, without exception. He is not interested in vetting.

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          10. itsfun June 23, 2016

            Maybe you should listen to Trump. He wants a temp ban until the immigrants are vetted. I am sure if you do a search, you can find him saying that.

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    2. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

      You have gone over the edge of opinion here. Back up and rethink your words or no one will be able to take you seriously again.

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    3. jmprint June 22, 2016

      There is NO comparison, Hillary forgave her man for his infidelities with consenting adults, Trump is accused of RAPING a 13 year, totally different. Hillary is no where close to being the evil character that Trumps is. You just can’t sugar coat evil or, pass untruthful judgement on others to create your narrative. It doesn’t work BOX, it just show how hard up you are.

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  5. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

    Force Force Force…Hey World! The FORCE is with us. Force people to think as The Donald thinks. Force people to do what The Donald wants. Force people to BE what The Donald tells us to be.

    What in holy hell is it with these control freaks? Did their parents forget to tell them to A. mind their own damn business. B. Stop trying to FORCE others to their will C. Learn to be ashamed of their own bad behavior?

    The GOP is working hard right now to be rid of the thorn in their side. They know their party has NO chance of winning the election. Not when a big mouth, out of control ENFORCER is speaking and acting like the second coming of Hitler.

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    1. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

      Eleanore, psychiatrists have said he suffers from narcissistic personality disorder, and likely borderline personality disorder. The easiest way to understand someone with a narcissistic personality disorder is to simply look at any 5 year child. At 5 years a child still thinks the world revolves around him and everyone is there to serve his needs. Most of us grow out of that stage, narcissistic personalities like it there, and there is evidence that they make a conscious decision to stay there.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

        Wow…great post! I so agree. I like your example of the 5 year old. I have to be honest. The 4 CEOs I worked with all had that odd sense of entitlement and hierarchy.

        Two were CEOs are Fortune 50 companies. It was difficult to tell which was worse, their sexual predilections or their compulsions to the idea limits were for their minions.

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        1. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

          there is also a lot of evidence that business leaders do tend to be have these kinds of personality disorders. When they do not get their “narcissistic fix” they can go into what is called a “narcissistic rage”. It is a very fascinating disorder and well worth a google search if you care to.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

            Great suggestion…I’m a freelance writer. So naturally I’ll want to google this more.

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          2. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

            Such an article would be an excellent idea, Eleanore. Please let me know when it is ready to read 🙂

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          3. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

            At present, I am up to my eyeballs in alligators. I’m trying to finish two short fiction stories on my blog site. I write feature articles for HubPages which have gotten fairly good responses. This particular subject seems like it fits more into HubPages type articles.

            I also only write these type articles when I have reliable sources to quote. So, this sounds like a fun and interesting writing project in the near future.

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          4. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

            can you direct me to your blog and HubPage site?

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          5. Andrew Long June 22, 2016

            I just looked at the hubpages and the very first article snared me – you must read it – it is about narcissistic parents.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

            I must have missed that one.

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    2. itsfun June 22, 2016

      Isn’t Hitler that one that took guns away from the citizens, so he would have no problem taking over. Isn’t that what Hillary and Obama want?

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      1. jmprint June 22, 2016

        Obama doesn’t want to take guns away, that’ is the same lie you idiots have been repeating since 2008. I have one question, do you still have your guns?

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        1. itsfun June 22, 2016

          If you don’t believe Obama and Hillary want our only means of self-defense, then you are living in a fantasy world. Yes I have guns and the only reason is the 2nd amendment.

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          1. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Why don’t you enlighten me with your facts, and not gibberish from the NRA. They have one sole reason for existence and that’s for the guns manufacturers. I have a gun for the sole purpose of defense against “bad” people who might want to bring harm to me or my family, has nothing to do with my 2nd amendment. It has something to do with, Don’t Fk with me.

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          2. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            30,000 gun murders per year, versus 3500 terrorists murders SINCE 9/11.
            You have hundreds of times more to fear from your neighbors than terrorists, but don’t let facts ruin your fantasy, Rambo.

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      2. The lucky one June 22, 2016

        If the government wants to “take over” your pitiful guns won’t last 10 seconds against the assault. Get over yourself.

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        1. itsfun June 22, 2016

          You mean like Hitler did?

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          1. The lucky one June 22, 2016

            How did he end up?

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          2. ralphkr June 23, 2016

            What a strange thing to say, itsfun. Hitler did away with restrictive gun laws when he took over and wanted every good German family to have at least one military grade weapon and to become proficient with it. That is definitely NOT the definition of taking away guns.

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          3. itsfun June 23, 2016

            How many Jewish people kept their guns?

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          4. ralphkr June 23, 2016

            What an absolutely silly question, itsfun…but not surprising since it is up to your usual unintelligent standards. “How many Jewish people kept their guns?” the answer is obvious, Jewish people were allowed to have all the guns they had during the Weimar Republic, in other words, none since Germans of any stripe were not allowed to have firearms under the Weimar Republic. Hitler freed up gun ownership and wanted all GOOD Germans to be armed which meant that Jews, Gypsies, etc. were left without guns.

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          5. itsfun June 23, 2016

            Thanks for making my point ralph

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          6. ralphkr June 23, 2016

            You seem to have forgotten that your point was that Hitler took away everyone’s guns so he could take over, itsfun, and I showed how mistaken you were since Hitler actually promoted gun ownership. By the way, in some areas the Jewish people were armed and were slaughtered by German troops (read about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising someday)

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      3. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

        No, they’d rather terrorists and criminals not get them. But thankfully for you, the GOP has prevented any measures that would keep terrorists and criminals from getting all the most powerful weapons they can carry.

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        1. itsfun June 22, 2016

          How is any law going to stop the terrorists from getting weapons from the black market. I have read there are millions of weapons for sale on various black markets. How many of these criminals are going to obey any law. Do you actually believe terrorists and criminals are going to worry about breaking a law.

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          1. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            Thanks to the GOP, no need to approach the black market. Just any weekend gun show in Va will get you any gun you want, including the Barrett .50cal sniper rifle, no questions asked.
            Maybe it would be kind of nice to actually make them break some law or other, but thanks to the GOP, no laws need be broken.

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          2. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Does it matter to victims and their families where the terrorists and criminals got their weapons. Breaking a gun law is never going to stop them from murdering innocent people. We have to defeat terrorism, not punish law abiding Americans. Lynch said in a press conference yesterday, we have to love these terrorists to stop them. Does anyone actually believe that loving these murderers will stop them. They will just behead you if you admit you are a Christian. and make you cover your face if you are a woman and allow yourself to be raped.

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          3. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Do you not hear their pleas for gun control, of course it matters.

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          4. itsfun June 22, 2016

            So you believe the black market will disappear if a new law is passed?

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          5. jmprint June 22, 2016

            I do believe it will slow it down, any amount of progress is better then none.

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          6. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I think it will grow if we make laws making it illegal for all citizens to purchase weapons. Where else would they get their weapons. Money is no barrier to them.

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          7. jmprint June 22, 2016

            The problem you have is comprehending, ok let me repeat myself, nobody is “making it illegal for all citizens to purchase weapons”.

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          8. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Yes, but we can’t fight terrorist if you keep making easier to obtain these weapons.

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          9. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            Yep. No reason to have laws when they’ll just be ignored. No reason to have any at all. No reason for a Constitution either, since laws are what define the characteristics of the nation constructed under it.
            The political doctrine you’re advocating by such a stance is called “nihilism”, a belief in nothing. No laws are worthwhile because no one will obey them – why bother when disobeying them has no impact.

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          10. itsfun June 22, 2016

            So, we should make laws for foreign terrorists to follow. How much do you think any law will stop terrorists from murdering innocent citizens? The way things have gone for the last 8 years, Obama will just let them out of prison and send them back to their countries anyway. Look at what happens with GITMO prisoners. Obama does ignore the Constitution and breaks it and nothing happens, so you may be right and we don’t need a Constitution.

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          11. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            We should make laws for the SELLERS to follow, no matter who the BUYER is. In Va, Al, and Az, for example, anyone can go to any weekend gun show and buy whatever they want, including the nice, new Barrett .50cal sniper rifle.

            Why don’t the dealers at those shows have to obey the same laws the brick-and-mortar gun sellers do? Thank your local NRA-owned GOP legislator. Can terrorists buy there? Sure. Can criminals buy there with no background checks? Sure. Can Chicago thugs pop across the Indiana border and buy guns? Sure.

            Gitmo: Truth is not your strong suit. Obama released 157 prisoners, GWB released 532. Of those released by GWB, 184 have joined (or are suspected to have joined) terrorist groups. An even dozen from Obama’s releases have.

            Most were released because we realized we’d been duped. GWB started a program of paying for “terrists” and the Afghan warlords figured out how to get rid of their pesky brothers-in-law and other relatives they didn’t want around. They sold them to us. We spent a few million bucks to buy the unwanted, harkening back to the early 1800s. I guess now we know why the program was so popular with the GOP.

            “779 prisoners have been held by the U.S. military at Guantánamo since the prison opened on January 11, 2002. Of those, 689 have been released or transferred, one was transferred to the U.S. to be tried, and nine have died, the most recent being Adnan Latif, in September 2012. 80 men are still held, and 30 of these men have been recommended for release by high-level governmental review processes.

            157 of the 779 prisoners have been released under President Obama, and although no prisoners were released for 15 months from January 2011, two Uighur prisoners (Muslims from China’s Xinjiang province) were released in April 2012, another man, Ibrahim al-Qosi, who was given a two-year sentence after a plea deal in July 2010, was released in July 2012, and in September 2012, Omar Khadr, a former child prisoner, was transferred to Canada to serve the rest of the sentence he negotiated as part of plea deal in October 2010.”

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          12. itsfun June 22, 2016

            If we could eliminate the black market, laws may then help the problem. Until then, all the laws in the world won’t fix anything. Criminals and black market sellers are not about to start obeying the law. So,until that can happen, why punish law abiding citizens?
            There was news show this morning that had a clip of a TV reporter in Penn. that was going to show the world how easy it was to buy a AR-15. He went to a gun store, tried to buy, had to fill out a form for a background check before he could buy. The next day when he came back to pick up his gun, he was refused because the background check showed a arrest for domestic violence and another arrest (I can’t remember what it was for). To make it a short story, he may now be in big trouble with his station for not reporting his arrest record. His scheme backfired on him. Obama let prisoners go free from GITMO.

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          13. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            Again, it;’s not about making laws that punish citizens, it’s about making all of the sellers obey THE SAME LAWS. It’s not about the black market, it’s about making all of the sellers obey THE SAME LAWS. It’s about MAKING THE SELLERS OBEY THE SAME LAWS ALL THE TIME.
            Right now, a seller can enter a weekend gun show and sell anything with no requirement to do any kind of check on the buyer. For the criminal buyers, there’s no reason to risk being caught in a black-market sting operation, or to risk buying a piece of crap that explodes in your hands and pay exorbitant prices to boot, when you can just wait until Saturday morning and buy at a gun show. The GOP has decided that terrorists and criminals just have to wait for the weekend to buy the highest quality murder machines at the very best discount prices. The manufacturers pay the NRA, and the lickspittle GOP paid by the NRA make sure the “gun show loophole” stays open.
            Gitmo: GWB freed 532, Obama freed 157. 184 of the GWB bought-and-paid-for prisoners freed by GWB may have joined jihadis. 12 of the GWB bought-and-paid-for prisoners Obama freed may have joined jihadis.

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          14. itsfun June 23, 2016

            Harry Reid accepted contributions from the NRA. Check out how many Dems have accepted contributions from the NRA. Where I live, every person that legally buys a gun anywhere, has to complete a background form that goes the State Police. The State Police then do whatever the State Police do. If we can’t destroy the black market, no laws will fix the terrorists problem.

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          15. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            LICENSED DEALERS. NOT WEEKEND GUN SHOW.
            I’m shouting hoping that you’ll notice the difference. Here’s the reason:
            “And then there’s the “gun show loophole.” What is that? They’re the unlicensed dealers selling their “private collections” sitting next to licensed dealers.
            The ATF’s Ahern says the private sellers don’t hold buyers to any criminal background standard because they don’t have to by law.
            More than 3,000 guns confiscated in Chicago came from Indiana. If sold by a private dealer at a gun show, it’s tough to trace.”
            See, there’s a difference. At the weekend gun show (also called the “great swap meet”) there are no requirements to do any background checks. What the dealer is selling becomes his buddy’s “private collection” to sell to the terrorists and criminals. Can’t let them dollars walk away, y’know?
            And yes, about ten Democrat Senators are also in the pocket of the NRA. However, I noticed they didn’t filibuster the Senate to prevent votes like the lickspittle GOP did in years past. It seems like open, honest debate is the democrat norm, where backroom vote buying is the GOP norm.

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          16. itsfun June 23, 2016

            I hope you aren’t saying the current sit-in and singing and stopping all House procedures is open, honest debate. How did the health care tax get passed – oh I almost forgot it was done in backroom closed door bribes by Obama.

            Must be different states have different laws for gun shows. My guess is if Chicago guns were from a Indiana gun show and a Illinois one. the laws in Indiana are less strict.

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          17. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            What TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!
            The current protest is in response to the lickspittle GOP declaring that terrorists and criminals have the right to buy any gun they want on any weekend.
            ACA was passed by the Senate with 168 GOP amendments – hardly a backroom deal.
            Yes – the Indiana, Virginia, Alabama, and Arizona state laws are, in particular, very lax. Thus, the need for a federal law telling weekend sellers to terrorists and criminals that you must also run a background check. Will it stop all such sales? No. Will it stop most, or at least make the cost of mass-murder weapons to terrorists and criminals more expensive and harder to get? Absolutely.
            And as you’ve already pointed out, criminals don’t obey laws. But gun sellers generally do, so that would limit the number of mass-murder weapons available to terrorists and criminals.

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          18. itsfun June 23, 2016

            So the sit-in, singing and stopping all House activities is normal Dem Behavior. The ACA was passed by backroom deals and bribery and you know that. Not one Republican voted for that law which you imply the GOP got what they wanted If that was at all true, at least one Republican would have voted for it. It only passed the Senate because Harry Reid invoked a rule that had always been used only in money disputes.

            We have got to find a way to destroy the black market. If we can’t do that, then our laws will be meaningless. Only law abiding citizens will be affected by them. Look at Paris with the toughest gun laws in the world. The terrorists did not buy any guns in France from a gun dealer. The effect will be a punishment to law abiding honest citizens and not criminals.

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          19. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            More TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!

            I guess you have an endless supply of just complete bullshit. Do you keep it in a bathtub nearby so you can sling it whenever necessary to bulwark your go-nowhere, do-nothing attitude?
            As any person looking a the activities over the last two days knows, this is abnormal behavior. It is driven by the “criminals have more rights than you” lickspittle GOP kowtowing to the NRA and refusing to discuss closing the terrorists favorite GOP loophole.
            The ACA passed the Senate with 168 GOP amendments, hardly “backroom deals”. Were loads of them “poison pills” designed by the GOP to kill the bill? Sure. That’s how the lickspittle GOP rolls.
            Paris has the toughest gun laws in the world? Wow. Who knew? The GOP talking heads announce that wherever the latest mass murder occurs has “the toughest gun laws in the world”. Last week it was Orlando.
            There’s that nihilist attitude again. If the law will stop all but one terrorist, then why bother? It’s all meaningless unless perfection can be achieved? More bullshit from your endless tub.
            Do what you can to limit terrorists’ and criminals’ access to guns. It is no more a limit on legitimate purchasers than the rules on the books now, but forces black-market sellers out of the weekend gun shows.

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          20. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What bullshit are you talking about. Everything I posted to you is true and you know it. You just can’t stand the truth so you just start name call and other useless statements.
            Does France have the strictest gun laws or not? Everyone knows where the last attack was, everyone also know how you want to whine about lack of gun laws and when it is shown to how ineffective they are you just start calling names again.
            You also know not one Republican voted for the health care tax, yet you keep talking about 168 Republican amendments. You also know that 2 Democrat Senators had to be bribed by Obama himself to get their votes to pass the health care tax law. You are just trying to find a way to blame Republicans for a failed health care tax law. Nowhere is anyone trying to give criminals more rights than the innocent people. Another made up statement by you. Are you so stupid you believe that the black market sits up stands at a legal gun show to sell guns to terrorists? Your weak mind trying to express itself by calling names won’t work with me.

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          21. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            Almost nothing you said was true, and what was true I agreed with. I like the truth, you have little of it to offer.
            I have no idea where France stands with regard to gun laws. I suspect that China’s are tougher, but have no way of verifying that. I also know what the lickspittle GOP claims after each and every mass murder – that wherever it occurred “has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation”. Those are their words, not mine.
            I’m not “whining”, I’m saying outright that the GOP has been in the pocket of the NRA for years and has obstructed useful legislation that has no purpose or effect other than to keep criminals from purchasing guns on weekends anywhere in the USA. That means explicitly that the GOP has more respect for the criminals who do the weekend purchases (or maybe for the profits funneled back to them through the NRA) than for the innocents who are murdered by them.

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          22. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            GITMO prisoners were switched to prisons in other countries not let go, except for the ones who were incarcerated for not committing any crimes. People do end up in jail for not committing crimes, or didn’t you know that?

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          23. itsfun June 23, 2016

            They are not in prisons, they are free in the countries they are in. Today the body guard of Bin Ladin was released and is free to do whatever he wants. Have you seen how many of the released criminals are now back in terrorists groups.

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          24. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            If they violate a gun law they are criminals. That’s what criminals are, people who violate the laws, itsfun

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          25. itsfun June 23, 2016

            That is what I have been saying.

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          26. RED June 22, 2016

            WOW!! Once again the stupidity of Cons is STAGGERING!! Hey moron, there was a bank that just got robbed, so clearly laws against bank robbery don’t work, so I guess we should repeal them. Oh and there are also murders in the U.S., so no point in making laws against those either. YOU FRIGGING MORON!! Laws aren’t expected to stop every crime and only ignorant moron Cons like you think they are but only when it comes to guns. Laws are intended to increase the cost or penalty, to raise the bar which includes punishment for breaking them. But you douchebags are all for punishment when it comes black people right, or other people you don’t like. Not out there screaming about how the drug laws haven’t done a damn thing to stop the flow of drugs, are ya? Na, then it’s all “they broke the law,” right moron? Man, ignorant truly make me sick!

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          27. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Socialists, Communists, make me sick and you have done that comrade.

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          28. RED June 22, 2016

            Truly amazing!! All ignorant Cons are just like cult members who are trained to say phrases to defend against the outsiders, ’cause anyone besides the cult leaders are liars. Who said anything about socialism or communism? Moron!! But can’t let any reality seep in to that simple Con sick brain of yours! Nope, gotta repeat some Con phrases to ward off any reality creeping in. I, of course, realize that there is no cure for your stupidity. If you were able to think for yourself and live in a real and rational world you wouldn’t be an ignorant Con. Therefore, we know that no amount of facts, reality, or reason can break through the terrible stupidity of your Con sickness. Like the fact that no other country experiences the deaths by firearms that we do. But again your Con sick mind has chosen to live in a false made up reality. A reality that only exists in the ignorant mind of morons like yourself and on Fox News.

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          29. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Your continuous name calling is just a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself.

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          30. RED June 22, 2016

            Oh no that hurts my feelings, sad. Try again, we’ve all heard your ignorant Con routines before, repeated over and over again. Now tell me how I don’t have any evidence and that’s why I must use ad hominem attacks. Be sure to try to use big words too, so you can sound smart to the other ignorant Cons. How about giving us an “opined” or something other Bill O’Reilly learned word you ignorant Cons like to repeat in hopes of sounding intelligent. Or tell us how rich you are and what a successful business you run, that’sa n ignorant Con favorite. Feel free but just know that just as we know that anyone who puts on a white sheet is an ignorant racist we also know that anyone who is a Con is also an ignorant racist.

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          31. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Like a said, just a weak mind trying to express itself.

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          32. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            Red, hang him on his own petards, not name calling. You’re crawling in the gutter and it makes us libs bad. Keep the discussion on a respectful level, itsfun has not succumbed to mudslinging as so many other Cons.

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          33. RED June 22, 2016

            I understand your position, you’re not the first to maket his suggestion. And I certainly don’t wish to sound rude or lacking courtesy toward you, as decent people with human souls deserve respect. But sadly where you are incorrect in your positioni n that Cons do not possess human souls. They are much like the Nazis. They don’t deserve any respect at all. I will not treat their lying, ignorant, racist beliefs are on par with the positions of decent human beings. And reasoning with people who refuse to accept reality is not possible. And if you’re a thinking person, someone not afflictedw ith the Con sickness, you know this. Also, you’re being either very lenient or blind in regards to itsfun who regularly says ignorant foolish things. You’re also kidding yourselfi f you don’t think him referringt o as comrade or communist or whatever are not pejorative terms. Like all ignorant Cons, he wants to believe that he’s somehow intelligent and witty, which is impossiblef or an ignorant Con.

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          34. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            Well thought out answer RED, much better than itsfun can come up with. I give him credit as he doesn’t get so low down as so many Cons and TPers get. In another words there is an outside chance he’s salvageable. Yes, he says ignorant things. Then it is up to us to educate him. As he has continued the discourse, perhaps he’s somewhat amenable to reason.

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          35. RED June 23, 2016

            I admire your optimism. Optimism is definitely a good thing although sadly in this case I believe it’s misplaced. I challenge you to give me one redeeming position of the Cons, one area where the Republicans are on the side of right and the people. And I don’t mean the mythical Republicans of 50 years ago. Name one positive possibility as to what makes someone a Con. Sorry, but you can’t. It’s either racism or bigotry or hating “libruls” or believing some kind of economic lies that hurt us all. I actually remember a time when I thought both parties had positive attributes. I’m not sure if they did or I was just too young to know better. But today I am certain there are zero redeeming qualities or positions of the Cons. Take last night, as Dems try to get something done to stop people from dying, the Cons vote in an attempt to green light ripping off anyone who isn’t a financial advisor.

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          36. RED June 22, 2016

            I’ll also refer you to the actions of Congressman Louis Gomert of TX. You may not have seen it yet but tomorrow you will be reminded again what lowlife scum Cons are when you become aware of his actions.

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          37. RED June 22, 2016

            So communists, socialists , socialists make you sick? Well, heck, I guess you should stop buying anything from China. Perhaps we should declare war on Britain, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Spain, and 50 other countries, the socialists!! Oh wait, and the United States too with all their socialist roads and police and fire departments. And then that evil Medicare, Social Security thing!

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          38. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Whatever you say comrade.

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          39. RED June 22, 2016

            Oh no, wise, brilliant! I bow before your rapier wit, it’s so sharp. Hehehe, just like all moron Cons, predictably stupid. Hey next time give us some “libruls don’t pay taxes,” or some more of those old classics to remind everyone how bankrupt and ignorant the Con ideology and it’s cultist simple minded followers are.

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          40. itsfun June 22, 2016

            oh comrade you just really hurt my feelings. You need mental help asap

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          41. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            So you hate the Germans, the French, the Swedes, the Swiss, the Japanese, the Austrians, the Scots, the Irish, the English, Norwegians, Icelanders, Dutch, Welsh… MAN do you hate a lot of people that you have never met and ALL of them make you sick? WOW.. You are really a sad individual, when you can just make a blanket statement like that.

            You do realize that there’s something wrong with you, right? A screw loose, a few monkeys short of a circus you are.

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          42. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Something is wrong with a dumb ass that would take what I posted that way.

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          43. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            You said that Socialists and Communists make you sick; the logical conclusion we can all reach is that you therefore must be sickened by the English, Swedes, Scots, Irish, Germans etc, since they are all Socialists. MAN do you lack ANY sense of logic, it’s like you just don’t have any logic processing circuit in your brain.

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          44. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            Carry a barf bag with you at all times.

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          45. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            How is any law going to stop drug addicts from getting drugs? How is any law going to stop rapists from raping? How is any law going to stop Banks from stealing money??

            Let’s’ just have no laws for ANYTHING, because YOU, in your infinite wisdom have declared that laws don’t work, so why have ANY?

            You are a preposterous little Man who has no grasp on logic or common sense.

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          46. itsfun June 22, 2016

            How is the war on drugs working out? What would you know about common sense. Are you really stupid enough to believe foreign terrorists will obey any gun laws we have?

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          47. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            So, you are admitting that you think that all laws are useless and we should have NONE then? That is exactly what you are implying. If drug laws don’t work, then what laws DO work in your opinion? Should we in fact be without any laws?

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          48. itsfun June 22, 2016

            What I did imply is you are common sense are in two different worlds.

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          49. Mortalc01l June 22, 2016

            You can’t even back up your own words. You said that laws pertaining to guns don’t work; all I am asking you to do is tell me which laws DO work, or do NO laws work; seems like a simple enough thing for a genius like you to lay out.

            If gun laws don’t work, then what’s your proposal? No laws? Some laws? Only the laws YOU think are necessary? Just trying to get an idea of what your fevered mind DOES think works.

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          50. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I said that more gun laws won’t change the fact that terrorists and criminals will still get guns. Have you ever heard of the black market? There are millions of weapons on the black market for sale. Are you stupid enough to believe that terrorists will just go into the local gun store and get turned down when they can get their weapons on the black market. Your answer is to take the guns away from law abiding Americans. Then we would have no way to defend our families from terrorists, thugs, or criminals. You don’t seem to understand that criminals will find ways to get what they want. We can’t punish law abiding Americans just to make criminals pay more for their guns on the black market.

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          51. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            itsun, that’s where the ATF comes in. They make arrests of people who illegally purchase firearms. We’re talking black market and if the sales of assault weapons is outlawed then the purchases will go off to the black market where the feds will pick them up.

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          52. itsfun June 23, 2016

            Yep; the feds will just sit outside the local black market store and make arrests. It is not as easy as you are trying to make it sound. If that were true, there would be no drug dealers, or gangs, etc.

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          53. Mortalc01l June 23, 2016

            No one wants to punish anyone, except lunatics and criminals that want to buy guns. I am a gun owner and it is literally the absolute definition of insanity to do nothing. By pushing people to go to the black market, you are by definition decreasing the number of guns that will get into the hands fo criminals, rather than allowing ANYONE to just walk into a gun store and buy a gun like this last nutjob did.

            Laws DO work; case in point, if I want to smoke a joint in Colorado, I do; if I want to smoke a joint in Nevada, I don’t because there are laws that prevent me from doing so, or face the stiff penalties that I would incur.. Now, I can go to the black market to buy pot in Nevada, but I run the risk of being ripped off, running into a sting operation or getting worthless/cut down product… Same with guns.. There are many people who would not chance the black market for a gun; those that would, run many, many more risks in getting a weapon, no the least of which is dealing with hardened criminals that might kill them, rip them off or be undercover agents.

            Do you think there is no black market for guns in the UK, Germany, Holland, France??? There is, yet they have 700X, yes SEVEN HUNDRED times fewer gun homicides than the USA. Effective gun control is necessary to keep terrorists and lunatics from buying weapons with which to commit atrocities. As a gun owner I have ZERO problem with people checking my background and making me wait to buy my next weapon; only criminals have anything to fear.

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          54. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            It’s not a matter of foreign terrorist. Ronald Reagan himself in 1989 said assault weapons shouldn’t be allowed. They hadn’t been until 2004 when Bush baby legalized them. We’ve been reaping the results of that poor decision ever since with mass slayings.

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          55. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What exactly is a assault weapon? If you are talking about a machine gun, they were banned in the 1930’s. Has that stopped the drug cartels from using them? Automatic weapons are banned. Any weapon you legally purchase in the US is not a automatic. Otherwise you have the pull the trigger

            once for every shot you fire.

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      4. ralphkr June 23, 2016

        No, itsfun, that is a common error made by ignorant conservatives. Hitler gave guns back to the citizens after he took over. The Republic had extremely restrictive gun laws making it almost impossible to obtain any which is why the Nazis were fighting the Communists in the streets with knives & chains. Hitler stated that every GOOD German family should have at least one military grade weapon and become proficient in the use of said weapon. Notice the term “GOOD” which meant the weapons ban was still in effect for undesirable Germans such as Jews, Gypsies, etc.

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        1. itsfun June 23, 2016

          So all “GOOD” Democrats and Socialist will be able to get their guns back and all Republicans and Conservatives will be sent to gas chambers.

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          1. ralphkr June 23, 2016

            Except that USA does not currently have the stringent laws against owning firearms that the Weimar Republic had in effect (for instance: I still have four weapons after selling the rest of them and I never had to get a license or prove who or what I was to buy any of them). By the way, women were the dominating political force during the Republic and their abandonment of the pro-Republican forces to become Nazi supporters was the major reason Hitler was able to take over.

            Side note: Why does spell check insist upon spelling it “Wiemar” instead of the proper “Weimar”?

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          2. itsfun June 23, 2016

            I just cannot believe any gun control law will stop terrorists from getting weapons and killing innocent people. Just look at Paris, where the toughest gun laws in the world are in effect. Sometimes you just have to fight fire with fire. All the love and compassion in the world will not stop religious radicals. They have sworn to kill all infidels and we just happen to be the infidels. If I am right you can add words to spell check. This would stop it from flagging words not in its dictionary. With my old keyboard and sticking and bad keys, without spellcheck, no one would be able to read anything I post.

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          3. ralphkr June 23, 2016

            I agree, itsfun, that no gun control law will disarm terrorists just as all the bodyguards in the world cannot stop an assassin who does not fear death however, I don’t believe that “a good man with a gun” could have stopped each fanatic. For instance, at the Orlando club it was dark & noisy with flashing lights so that people did not even realize there was a problem for a time & then when they did realize that there was shooting they could not tell the origin. By the way, the club did have a trained man with a gun (off-duty LEO) & he was unable to stop the shooter.

            Consider this scenario, I am in a dark dance hall with lots of strobe lighting & sound effects, shooting starts and I see someone holding a gun and I shoot that person not knowing that person happens to be a good guy looking for the shooter or the good guy sees me & thinks that I am the shooter. In other circumstances one man can stop multiple shooters & I did just that many decades ago. I used my bull horn to order two men with sub-machine guns who had a trooper pinned down to drop their weapons and surrender or I would take drastic action as a sniper. The idiots advanced toward me, firing a seemingly unending supply of ammo (we picked up 12 empty magazines) and I fired my 30.06 ex-army sniper rifle twice (one tends to conserve ammo when one has to pay for it) and peace reigned. The big difference in the second case was that it was flat country in broad daylight and I had a clear shot from approximately 1,000 yards. My only worry was that they might put a hole in my car.

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  6. kingartie1 June 22, 2016

    This gets curiouser and curiouser. Not just a chauvinist sexist racist bankruptist neofascist corrupt and cheating capitalist, but now an accused rapist too? Man, it goes without saying — but let’s not say it, let’s scream it! — that his resume is not for any voters in their right minds to even be considering. Sociopath. Liar. Crooked. Swindler. He wants to go to the islands — the Cayman, Hawaiian, Virgin, etc. I have other islands where he’d be a more appropriate guest. Rikers and whatever island it is where they vote people off of it.
    If this is even close to true, Trumpenstein is the f#&^%)@ devil incarnate.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

      Over the years with the Donald always in our Metro area media, most of us recall his doing the schmoozy schmoozy at the McAfee NJ Playboy mansion.

      The problem with men like Trump is their belief that only men can be in power. Only men should make all the important decisions and only men can have the right to do whatever they damn well please, regardless of the consequences to others.

      Two year old brats have the same mentalities.

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      1. The lucky one June 22, 2016

        “The problem with men like Trump is their belief that only men can be in power.” I don’t think so. Trump believes himself superior to all, men and women alike. I think the problem with men like Trump is that they believe themselves to be godlike and can therefore do whatever they please without consequence including sexual transgressions against women. Given our country’s coddling of the very rich it’s not surprising to see this behavior from some of them.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

          Yours is an excellent post! I think it gets straight to the heart of the problem with Trump.

          I just personally find him to be going further and further away from sanity these days. I’ve heard him in the past many times but never ever have I heard him spout this recent spate of hatefulness. He knew in business he wasn’t allowed to go public with his discrimination and prejudices for fear of losing business.

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        2. Paul Bass June 22, 2016

          two thumbs up, I agree totally.

          (are pigs flying?) 😉

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          1. The lucky one June 23, 2016

            I think we agree on many things. I just don’t share your faith in HRC though I agree that a Trump presidency would be a disaster.

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    2. Dominick Vila June 22, 2016

      Now we know what was in his mind when he called Mexicans criminals and RAPISTS.
      I wonder what kind of a judge will be acceptable to him…Bill Cosby?

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  7. Elleon35 June 22, 2016

    Trump supporters will never believe this because in their eyes he’s God .

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

      They need to speak to some of The Donald’s now unemployed casino employees here in NJ. The Donald doesn’t dare set foot in NJ. He owes millions to those employees. That’s one of the lawsuits he has going for him…refusal to pay his employees and worse, refusal to pay his employer part of unemployment.

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      1. itsfun June 22, 2016

        He doesn’t own a casino. He has a 10% interest with no managerial responsibilities or duties at all. He only got paid for the use of his name.

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        1. jmprint June 22, 2016

          Right he bankrupted it, as he will the USA.

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        2. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

          He owned it until his first bankruptcy filing, when his ownership was diluted.

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          1. itsfun June 22, 2016

            Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy. Four companies that use his name have.

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          2. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            Yeah. OK.
            Four companies that he was the majority shareholder in, that owned properties whose ownership deals that he personally negotiated, that operated day-to-day with his personal presence, declared bankruptcy.
            But not him personally.

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          3. RED June 22, 2016

            And that makes a difference to you? Because Trump was able to shield himself with a piece of paper, an incorporation document? Defaulted on debts is just fine so long as you have Articles of Incorporation? Well, maybe we should start doing that for the middle class and working class, those aren’t my personal credit cards debts, they’re BluenBama, Inc’s debts, pay no attention to the fact that BluenBama Inc can’t pay it’s debts because I took every penny out of it (btw the way I took every penny in order to avoid personal bankruptcy). Oh, and by your moronic ignorant Con standards, every poor person that lost a house in the housing crisis was “just using the laws,” just like Trump, right moron? It’s a business strategy according to Trump, get people to loan you money, then drain all the money, then never pay them back and file bankruptcy. Great plan!!! I mean as long as you don’t have an ounce of decency or an honest bone in your body, it really is great, right genius!! Hopefully he can do the same for our country, run up tons of debt, then leave us holding the bag!! I am constantly amazed at how FRIGGING STUPID ignorant Cons like you are, just constantly amazed!

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          4. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I am amazed at how people like you can defend Obama raising the national debt to over 20 trillion and complain about a man that has hired thousand of people, Thanks to Obama we now have more people on food stamps then the entire population of Spain, while Trump fed thousands with employment. Yet you continue to call people crooked, dishonest and stupid. I am amazed at how you can actually defend crooked politicians.

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          5. jmprint June 22, 2016

            t’s fraud like the white rich person polygamist Jeffreys that is causing food stamp to go up. Trump hasn’t paid thousands, wonder how many had to go on food stamps because of Trump holding their paycheck. You are stupid, I am amazed at how you paddle $hit and feel good about it.

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          6. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I am amazed at how you somehow believe Trump hasn’t created jobs, hired, people, that allowed families to have homes, feed their selves, If you want to call someone stupid just look into the mirror

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          7. jmprint June 22, 2016

            Why when all I have to do is listen to you.

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          8. johninPCFL June 22, 2016

            Congress sets the debt ceiling and spends the money. Blame your local teabagger in Congress.

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          9. itsfun June 22, 2016

            And Obama has a budget, and if Congress doesn’t give him what he wants, he shuts down the government and blames Congress.

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          10. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            Do you know nothing of government operations? Budgets in the federal government are just exactly like budgets in your house – they are plans for spending, not actual spending. According to the Constitution, all spending bills originate in the House. Since the teabaggers own the House, any bills authorizing the spending of money have had their assent.
            For the president to “shut down the government”, he would have to actually veto a spending bill whose passage was necessary to fund the government. That has not happened: “United States federal government entered a shutdown and curtailed most routine operations because neither legislation appropriating funds for fiscal year 2014 nor a continuing resolution for the interim authorization of appropriations for fiscal year 2014 was enacted in time.”

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          11. itsfun June 23, 2016

            I know how it works. By the way didn’t the health care tax law start in the Senate by Harry Reid? He didn’t worry about our Constitution did he. In 2013 because the House didn’t approve funds for the health care tax law, Obama shut down the government and blamed the Republicans. The Republicans then cowered to Obama and funded the health care tax law.

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          12. johninPCFL June 23, 2016

            Apparently not. Again, the president can only shut down the government by VETOING a funding bill. The teabaggers didn’t get a funding bill to the president in time, so the government had to shut down.
            ACA wasn’t a funding bill. There were two bills in the Senate and five in the House, and this one made it out with 168 GOP amendments.

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          13. Independent1 June 22, 2016

            Let’s see here ignoramous, please explain to us how the president who has increased spending the least of any president in the past 60 years, ‘raised the national delblt to over 20 trillion”.

            Woulld you care to explain that please?? And while you’re doing that, add in the fact that Obama has only signed 2 pieces of legislation that has added $1 to our debts, the Stimulus (which was needed to keep America from falling into a full fledged depression back in 2009 which saved George W. Bush from being the 2nd Republican to create a world-wide depression); and 2) Obamacare- which has had almost all the debt it has created offset by the savings its created in medicare.

            So using just on ounce of brains in your head – give us a good explanation as to how it’s been Obama, that has run up our debt when he has averaged 1.4% budget increases over the past 7 years while NO OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE PAST 60 YEARS has averaged budget increases below 2%!!!!!

            Come on ignoramous give us an explanation!!!!!!! .

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          14. Independent1 June 23, 2016

            And here’s a little gem you may enjoy about the guy you’re trying to denigrate who has managed over the past 7 years to get more positive things accomplished which benefits every American than all the GOP presidents that have been in office since Teddy Roosevelt combined!!!

            Hey, Paul Ryan, how about these great Obamacare numbers?

            WASHINGTON — Twenty million or so more people have health insurance now than they did before Obamacare, and yet the American health care system is on track to spend $2.6
            trillion less from 2014 to 2019 than before the Affordable Care Act became law.

            That’s right — $2.6 trillion, which is equivalent to about 15 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. That’s the conclusion researchers at the Urban Institute came to when comparing health care spending projections made in 2010 before Congress passed the ACA, and projections made later that year after President Barack Obama enacted the statute, with more recent findings.

            So, yeah, not bankrupting the country, not killing jobs, not taking people’s health insurance away. Your move, Paul Ryan.

            http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/21/1541067/-Hey-Paul-Ryan-how-about-these-great-Obamacare-numbers

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          15. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            Four? My goodness. How many millionaires or billionaires have four to their credit?

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          16. itsfun June 22, 2016

            I don’t know how many?

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        3. stcroixcarp June 22, 2016

          A name that sucks.

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  8. Aaron_of_Portsmouth June 22, 2016

    That’s our Trump. An unstable person doesn’t just become overnight. It takes a long and tortured journey, usually starting at childhood or as a teenager. Parents are a “HUGE” influence, as well as those with whom one chooses to spend most of his or her time with.
    His long and ever-growing stained “rap sheet” shall reveal other indiscretions. This is one of the pitfalls for insisting on being an egomaniac—sooner or later your dirty underwear will be on the clothesline for the whole world to see.

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  9. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

    Not to worry about Trump folks. I predict he’ll be gone by August. The GOP isn’t stupid enough to allow Trump’s mouth to swallow their party whole.

    And remember that the GOP is notorious for the October surprise. This is definitely going to be a silly season to watch.

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    1. itsfun June 22, 2016

      I think if the GOP ignores the will of the people from the primaries, the GOP will disappear and the TEA Party will grow and grow.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 22, 2016

        I don’t think the GOP as we know it today will disappear. As for the Tea Party, they are going to lose ground for no other reason than the loss of Senate and House majority.

        The days of the Tea Party were not long anyway. The Tea Party as you know is funded and established by Charles and David Koch. Without the billions to fund it, the Tea Party won’t survive. It always comes down to money. But, you know that too.

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      2. jmprint June 22, 2016

        I don’t think the Tea Party will grow and grow. It will have to go underground again.

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      3. The lucky one June 22, 2016

        The tea party is a cancer that grew in the medium created for it within the GOP. Like any cancer it will perish along with its host.

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        1. itsfun June 22, 2016

          I think if the GOP tells the people that their votes mean nothing, I believe the people will go where they vote means something. If Party establishments are going to ignore voters, then the contributions will stop coming in and people will go elsewhere.

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          1. The lucky one June 22, 2016

            The party establishments have always ignored the voters. We get to choose between two who represent the mega rich but may differ on some social policies.

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          2. coopctn@hotmail.com June 22, 2016

            In the end, follow the money, and count the votes.

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      4. FireBaron June 22, 2016

        You keep spewing “the will of the people from the primaries”. Considering that Trump never broke the 40% mark until he was the only game left, and on average he only received between 30 and 35% of the primary votes, you really cannot call his current situation “the will of the people” when about 65% of his “fellow Republicans” said NO to his candidacy.

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        1. RED June 22, 2016

          Although, I don’t disagree or dispute your numbers, I do feel I need to clarify one point. Yes, only 30% to 35% of Republicans voted from Trump but we need to make clear that 100% of Cons are ignorant racist fascists. So yeah only 1/3 jumped on Trump’s brand of hate but the other two thirds just prefer a more subtle ignorant racist campaign with plausible deniability. But all of the Cons are a terrible drain on society and the country.

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          1. Firbolg June 22, 2016

            Red… you are one sick USA-hating individual. So… according to reality as you believe it to be, all ‘cons’ are ignorant, racist fascists and a terrible drain on society and the country? Hmmmm… do any Cons pay taxes? How many Cons are incarcerated? How many are on ‘public assistance’?
            Why don’t you find a country more attuned to your ideals… Venezuela or Uganda perhaps?

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          2. Elliot J. Stamler June 22, 2016

            Well, I will tell you one very very prominent conservative who is being incarcerated for felonies in a federal prison TODAY!!! Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. Any comment?

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          3. Niki Tartalja June 22, 2016

            15 months? Too little, too late.

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          4. RED June 22, 2016

            Yep, never ceases amaze me what idiots Cons . Well let’s see, I live in Alabama and the prisons are filled up with ignorant red neck no tax paying Cons who think Obama is a Muslim. In other people as dumb as you. Although I’m amazed at how stupidy ou ignorant Cons are, I’m never surprised. Since you live in ignorant world, you have no access to truth, it’s a choicey ou made. Now I got Somme bad news for you, this my country and although I am embarrassed that it has so many ignorant morons like you in it, it is still my country. And just as the Germans diminished the Nazis and just as we have diminished other ignorantm irons like you, so too will it be again. And you will ne remembered for the ignorant moronic disgusting ideology you profess. It’s already happening. But I don’t expect you to know this truth because you’re an ignorant Con. And I could tell you all day long how stupid and wrong you are on basically everything likey our stupid moronic idea that socialismi s bad or it’s communism because you’ret oo frigging ignorant to know nearly all our allies and even the U.S itself practices forms of socialism, always has and always will. In fact that socialism has helped us to become one of the most powerful countries in the world. But again I know you’re far too ignorant to comprehend this and far too deep in the ignorant Con cult to recognize reality. Bet you’re really gonna love the U.S in fifty years when it’s all good and brown!!! Hehehe, and you ignorant Cons will just be a shameful chapter in history. Btw, I know how your ignorant Con works, poorly, but I’m a 45 year old white accountant from Alabama and that’s part of the way I know what sick Cons are, seen you all my life. Stay stupid!!

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          5. Firbolg June 23, 2016

            The Cons I know, like myself, are 214er’s and taxpaying citizens. Can you and your ilk say the same?

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          6. Cutch June 25, 2016

            More blowhard nonsense from the illiterate troll who posted:

            * Bouyed (sic) by the adulation of a sycophant MSM … ”

            * “How many $ trillions have been expended and are still be (sic) spent …. ”

            * “And, I can guarantee than neither Hedges or (sic) any of the Palestinian apologists …”

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          7. Independent1 June 22, 2016

            “do any Cons pay taxes? How many Cons are incarcerated? How many are on ‘public assistance’?”

            Well, of the 27 or so states run by the GOP, about 90% of them don’t send enough tax monies to Washington to cover the federal aid and welfare dollars they suck back from Washinton. There are only 3 red states that get less back from Washington in welfare and aid than they send in taxes – and all three of those red states get back more than 96cents/dollar of taxes paid.

            It’s actually 14 Democrat led states that get less than 90 cents/dollar back – many of them around 65 cents on the dollar that are actually supporting America – keeping our country running.

            And on top of all that, red states BY FAR suck the most welfare with people needing public assistance – including food stamps. Of the 456 counties in America that suck the most federal assistance, 421 of those counties are predominately led by Republicans and went for Romney in the 2012 election.

            If there’s any group of people who are needing assistance like the folks in Venezuela and Uganda IT’S PEOPLE LIVING IN RED STATES. Not people living in Blue States where people make between 18 and 23% more money for the work they put in. It’s REPUBLICANS that enact laws which force people to live on poverty-level wages by enacting nonsensical legislation like ‘right-to-work’ which allows companies in those states to pay them wages no one can live on!!!

            Wake up cluess!! You and anyone you know that supports the GOP is being screwed by the political party they support!!!!!

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          8. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

            right on, plus not to mention that the Republi-con Party will always think of the Middle Class as inferior to them, plus whenever they have control of the country, the Dem’s always have to come in and do a massive cleanup, as an example, they can’t even run their own party without messing things up and they want voters to vote for them and the sorry thing is that about 50% will.

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          9. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            You really don’t know who the biggest welfare and food stamp recipients are? Whites. And since the racist, bigot bunch are all Republicans, yeah, check your local prisons for them, public assistance rolls and see what a drain that ignorant bunch truly is. It’s all in the stats.

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          10. Elliot J. Stamler June 22, 2016

            Yours is a very sagacious and relevant comment…thank you.

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          11. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

            apparently about 30-40% of Republican Voters are to lazy to do any research or to dumb to realize when they are being lied to, I mean just listening from one Trump event to the next would of told them he is a habitual Liar and has a mental problem and this is the guy they want to have the nuclear codes, they don’t even realize that a nuclear war means that millions will die, including us in the USA and I can bet that Trump and family will be safe and sound in some bunker while we get toasted somewhere in the USA.

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          12. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            And there’s no “oops, can I take that back”. Once the orange fiend would launch hell, there’s no taking it back and learning after the fact.

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        2. itsfun June 22, 2016

          He ran against something like 17 people. How would you expect anyone to get 50% or more in a field that large? He received more votes than any other Republican candidate ever. I can and do call that the will of the people. If you don’t believe in democracy or the process of voting, I can’t help that.

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          1. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            But look at the last races. No contenders and still failed to reach 75%.

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          2. itsfun June 22, 2016

            How many times did Hillary get 75% of the Democratic primary votes?

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          3. geaaronson June 22, 2016

            Bernie is still in the race. Trump is running uncontested as all the other contenders have withdrawn and yet are still getting votes.

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          4. itsfun June 22, 2016

            How many times has Trump lost a primary compared to how many time Hillary has lost a primary?
            I suspect Bernie is only staying in because he believes Hillary will be indicated and he will be there to pick up the delegates. Personally, I would not be surprised to see Joe Biden end up being the candidate. I also am not all that convinced Trump will be the eventual candidate.

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          5. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            “Indicated”? How about indicted. Hillary will not be indicted. There is one hitch and they can’t meet it so it’s not going to happen. You have to have committed a criminal act, first of all, and she hasn’t. She has not been and has never been under criminal investigation, a fine point the Cons are too stupid to comprehend nor research.

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          6. itsfun June 23, 2016

            The head of the FBI said she is under criminal investigation. The FBI investigates possible federal crimes, not civil crimes or parking tickets. He went on to say the FBI does not do security reviews as she had claimed. He also said he was completely unaware of that term. Allowing classified United States documents to be unsecured is a criminal act. She did that. Why do you think her IT guy took the 5th over 100 times yesterday? He will only answer the FBI questions because they have given him immunity to criminal prosecution. What do you think the General was punished for. He allowed confidential documents to be seen. Hillary had secret and top secret documents on her private unsecured server. You can do a internet search and you will see what I have just said.

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          7. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            What difference does it make? She got several million more votes in the primaries than Sanders did, so what’s your point? Sour grapes? A man who couldn’t stoop to become a Democrat all his years in Congress, who has accomplished very little and has appealed to emotional voters with issues many of which he couldn’t get if he were a dictator.

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          8. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What difference does the percentage Trump got make then?

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          9. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            We’ll see, won’t we? The difference is that he is the presumptive nominee for the Republicans and she is the presumptive nominee for the Democrats. What’s so hard for you to comprehend about that? And this is now turning to the general and there are only two official people in the race, three if you count the Libertarians. And there will be people who write in their preference. That’s the way it’s done in a Democratic Republic, which is what the U.S. is. You seem to think you have some special insight into all this. You don’t.

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          10. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What has Hillary actually accomplished?
            You are ones talking about percentages and such. Now it is down to 2 unless Hillary is in prison. Then we’ll probably see Joe Biden as the candidate.

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          11. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            You know what, you are truly an idiot.

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          12. itsfun June 23, 2016

            What has she actually accomplished? You know your name calling is just the sign of a weak mind trying to express itself.

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          13. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            ://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/seven-hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplishments/
            This is one list. You’re still a colossal idiot.

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          14. itsfun June 24, 2016

            You need to purchase a dictionary, you have a very limited vocabulary.

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          15. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            Funny thing about the will of the people, it changes. Those were Republican votes and some Independents. As Trump is out there longer and becomes more horrifying and terrifying by the day, you will see more and more turn away from him. His staunch base is not enough to get him elected.

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          16. itsfun June 23, 2016

            I think the more people learn about both Trump and Hillary, we will see more and more people turning away. I want a choice of none of the above added to the ballot.

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          17. MVH1 June 23, 2016

            That will not be the case if people actually pay attention to all the good things Hillary has done for the poor, for women and the list is quite long. Of course if you want to deny facts and ignore what’s true, you will be right. And that will be most unfortunate for us all.

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        3. geaaronson June 22, 2016

          The more relevant point FireBaron is that even as the solo contender in the nomination race, the man wasn’t able to break the 70% mark in the several of the remaining primaries.

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    2. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

      No this time the Republican Party and Voters are showing their true colors, the Republican Party is a party of Hate, it’s been that way since day 1, don’t let Civil Rights legislation fool you, the Republican Party is the only way they can carry out this Hatred, legally. The Repub-Licon Party is the cesspool of our society.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 23, 2016

        Don’t know if you caught the Sit In yesterday by the Democrats led by John Lewis. It was the finest example of Democratic unity in a very long time. I confess it was wonderful having little attack dog Ryan turn into a mad dog when the Dems shouted him down like they always do to the Dems.

        When Ryan and the GOP walked back into the House to reconvene, they didn’t dare pull their stormtrooper routine.

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  10. waggaze June 22, 2016

    Even though the Drumpf the molester won’t do a day in prison there will be a public record of his actions for perpetuity. He calls Hillary the enabler of Bill Clinton raping women? Whoa, it seems Drumpf knows a lot more than Bill does about raping children using force and his monetary influence. How many others has he raped?

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  11. FT66 June 22, 2016

    If it is true, thats ridiculous. An adult going after a 13 year old girl! What was he after?

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    1. Karen June 22, 2016

      Misplaced sense of power

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    2. FireBaron June 22, 2016

      Power, same as always

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    3. stcroixcarp June 22, 2016

      power over a vulnerable child to make himself feel bigger and stronger. Just plain meanness, It’s call bully rights.

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  12. Aaron_of_Portsmouth June 22, 2016

    Our British brethren should reconsider aspiring to be like Trump and the rest of the isolationist-minded conservatives in America.

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  13. The lucky one June 22, 2016

    I think these kinds of accusations are always suspect in a situation like this but Trump’s personality does fit Jane Doe’s characterization.

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  14. Patriot June 22, 2016

    If something like this was true it would be a HUGE headline. Another POS trying to dirty the waters for Trump. Maybe they are mistaking Trump for Bill Clinton.

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    1. FireBaron June 22, 2016

      At least Clinton’s were all old enough to vote.

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      1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 22, 2016

        and knew just what thy was doing . was he wrong yes but takes 2 to tango

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    2. jmprint June 22, 2016

      It’s a court document, where fact are sorted out, remember Bill Cosby said the same thing 20 years ago.

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    3. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 22, 2016

      ok research this and watch and hear DONNY DUMP him self talk about this with his daughter sitting right beside him . one shouldn’t talk and say things like this about their own daughter the post look it up yourself >>>((( Donny Trump want to bang his own daughter )) watch that interview and then tell me its ok and you could see doing an interview with your daughter sitting there and saying those thing

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    4. CrankyToo June 22, 2016

      Yeah, right. Because Trump’s too nice a guy to have done something so disgustingly perverse. Isn’t that so?

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    5. pmbalele June 22, 2016

      I would not be surprised Trump is in trouble. Trump ditched 3 wives and now is living with a woman 20 years younger. Talking about hypocrisy, Repubs and TPs are hypocrites. They preach family values but at the same time are in prisons for molesting children and women molesters, thieves and racists?

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    6. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

      NO , Bill Clinton did not have affairs with minors, that’s only a level that Trump would stoop to, after all he feels he is above the law !!!!!

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    7. Tim St John June 23, 2016

      Lmao! It’s a Zionist Media 360, son. Where have you been? They say and do as they please. How the f do you know it’s not true? Were you there?
      There are flight records. People are gonna get clipped for this.
      This is the same type of info that got the late Sen Nancy Schaffer and her husband killed. They had s**t that would have buried a lot of people in high places. Child Trafficking was apparently pretty popular, all the way up the line.
      Trump is dirty. Not as much as Killary, but who’s counting e-mails?? He’s dirty. Bernie, Cruz and whomever the F else was thrown our way, are all equally worthless and criminal.

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  15. ChrisAndersen June 22, 2016

    Whenever stories like this come out I have a simple test: How would I react if the exact same story with the exact same details were told about someone I support?

    I prefer to leave this to the courts and reasonable journalists to work out. If something comes of it then we’ll see. Until then, I’m not going near it.

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  16. geaaronson June 22, 2016

    And so the world turns coming down on the Don’s head. How many more secrets will come out, this man is toast.

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  17. Firbolg June 22, 2016

    Salacious sells… especially when the anonymous accusations are decades old! If the Doe’s [Jane and Tifffany] refuse to come forward in their own personae, could it be that these are fabrications for financial gain? Just asking….

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  18. Elliot J. Stamler June 22, 2016

    I would not put anything past Trump but I am very skeptical about all rape allegations made more than 20 years after the alleged event occurred. Rape, despite extreme man-hating feminist propaganda, is an accusation easily made and difficult to disprove.

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    1. stcroixcarp June 22, 2016

      If this young girl had been threatened with bodily injury or death by two rich and powerful men, she was probably to frightened to tell. Look at the experiences of the children raped by priests or pastors. They are traumatized by the rape and intimidated into keeping the secret for decades until the pain is just too much. I would not dismiss these alligations without a thorough investigation.

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      1. Elliot J. Stamler June 22, 2016

        I don’t entirely dismiss the allegations – but I write write I am skeptical. The points that when you keep rape allegations secret for decades it becomes extraordinarily difficult to prove them in law; indeed under all circumstances it is a difficult charge to prove or defend..as I also wrote. I can understand why a 13-yr old girl might be intimidated but it’s hard to realize why she wouldn’t tell her parents…but notwithstanding that it is hard indeed to realize why she didn’t open her mouth for 20 years long after she became an adult.
        And only bring a lawsuit when Trump, whom I regard as a detestable human being, is a presidential candidate.

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        1. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

          maybe her parents are deceased now and Trump can’t harm then in any way, thus she feels free to reveal the despicable actions of this Moron who Lord knows that he should have been locked up years ago !!!!!

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        2. Robert Pace June 23, 2016

          She didn’t just file these accusations. She filed them previously without an attorney.

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      2. Betty Eyer June 24, 2016

        There’s also a very strong risk that no one will believe you.

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    2. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

      and difficult to prove !!!!

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    3. Paul Williamson August 1, 2016

      There was a witness, an Epstein procurer, who not only witnessed but has been deposed under threat of perjury this was true. This is the end of Drumpf..

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  19. disqus_QR7ejvoSVU June 22, 2016

    In the court filing, “Defendant Trump” allegedly “initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”
    The last sentence is truly one of a narcissistic mysogenist.

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  20. notafoxfan June 22, 2016

    we all know that “sex sells”..in the case of mr trump,it is documented and has been publicized that he was a playboy and was having an affair with marla maples while married to ivanka,and it resulted in a pregnancy..it also has been reported that ivanka and ms maples as part of their divorce settlements,were required to sign “non disclosure” agreements in order to receive monetary benefits from him..i am not a supporter of mr trump,nor would I ever vote for him,but if there were some kind of “rape” accusation from his past,other than what his ex wife said in a deposition and then “retracted”,i do believe everyone in america and across the globe would have heard of it by now..

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    1. geaaronson June 22, 2016

      Really now. And how soon did it come out about our favorite comedian Bill Cosby. Or Roman Polanski?

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      1. Independent1 June 22, 2016

        And like with Cosby, now that one victim has come forward and described her ordeal, it may encourage others to come forward and be more honest about how Trump had mistreated them in the past.

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        1. geaaronson June 23, 2016

          We’ll get to see how many chestnuts fall out of that tree.

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          1. tbs June 24, 2016

            Yes, so many have with the Clitons, but no one acknowledges them.
            What a soap opera this is.
            Get a life everyone.

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  21. nlruizjr June 22, 2016

    This guy belongs in a prison, not the White House !!!!!

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    1. Independent1 June 22, 2016

      Given all his past nefarious dealings, it’s a wonder he wasn’t sent to prison long long ago.

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  23. Renee Karr Elrod June 23, 2016

    This is utter BS. If this was remotely true it would be all over the news! Every media outlet across the country would be screaming it for weeks on end.. You people know it!!!

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    1. whothere June 24, 2016

      You doubt the lawsuit was filed?

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      1. Renee Karr Elrod June 24, 2016

        Not sure.. Everything I found said the name was fake as well as the address of the petitioner. Yes there was a lawsuit filed, by an unknown person with an unverifiable address.

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        1. whothere June 24, 2016

          The lawsuit was filed. that is a a matter of public record.

          As far as her address. She addressed that in her letter to the NY Police commissioner. It *had* been a rental address she lived in.

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        2. Paul Williamson August 1, 2016

          The courts know exactly who filed it and where she lives – you don’t, and you do not count.

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          1. Renee Karr Elrod August 5, 2016

            Everyone that accused Bill Cosby was named and you could fine the actual case of the ones file with the court.

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    2. RobertCHastings July 18, 2016

      Let me ask you one question, to which you apparently have no idea as to the answer. Who do you think owns the majority of the major media in both this country and England?

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    3. Paul Williamson August 1, 2016

      It is all over the news -try reading.

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  24. Erica June 23, 2016

    Wtf. This is one crazy story. Was the Prince of England also associated with Epstein and underage girls? Where there’s smoke there’s fire. And it’s getting hot.

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  25. Thomas June 24, 2016

    trump is evil incarnate, the next iteration of Hitler. We can not honestly let this douchebag into the highest office in the land.

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    1. RobertCHastings July 18, 2016

      And he has chosen a VP who is, unbelievably, NO better a person.

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  26. tbs June 24, 2016

    After 20years? Please!
    What about Clinton and his escapades oh I guess that is alright becuse he s a Clinton!
    Getnanlife!

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker June 25, 2016

      What about the 17 year pedophile Republican Hastert who served as Speaker of the House? What about the Republican VA Senator who had a Venezuelan illegitimate child with his foreign mistress? What about the Republican President who masterminded WaterGate?

      You fool no one. Men who don’t get away with infidelity go into eons of rage when another man does. Same with the CON women who get cheated on…they rage at the rest of the world when their “MAN” does the nasty with another woman. Get over it.

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      1. RobertCHastings July 18, 2016

        What about Strom Thurmond who fathered a child with his mother’s black maid?

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    2. RobertCHastings July 18, 2016

      Clinton was prosecuted, ass hole. And in a hostile Congress. So, don’t even try that feeble excuse. Even though, like so many of your BFF Republicans you apparently think it is okay for Republicans to escape prosecution for something you hound a Democrat to death over. As the Donald would say, “So sad”.

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    3. Nanci Merczel August 25, 2016

      Bill Clinton, as far as I know, is NOT running for president. Perhaps you are not aware of that fact? what does Clinton have to do with any of this, anyway? that’s like someone telling you, “A serial killer killed the store clerk,” and you say, in response, “Yea, but the guy next door punched someone!” Stupid, right? I thought so. It’s okay.

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  27. RobertCHastings July 18, 2016

    The statement by Trump”“Both defendants let plaintiff know that each was a very wealthy,
    powerful man and indicated that they had the power, ability and means to
    carry out their threats,” the complaint states, according to the Real Deal.” is possibly one of the most appallingly believable stories for this not having been reported earlier, and ACTED on earlier. While in most jurisdictions the statute-of-limitatiions has expired for the prosecution on the charge of rape, there are other criminal charges that could (and SHOULD) be pursued, for both men, and this should go to court BEFORE the election, though these offenses WOULD (unlike the charges against Bill Clinton) rise to the level of being impeachable.

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  29. Kerry Kolsch July 20, 2016

    This is a fake lawsuit made up by someone who is insane, probably paid by Hillary.

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    1. Paul Williamson August 1, 2016

      Of course you have proof of this, are you just shooting off your loud ignorant mouth?

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    2. Billie August 4, 2016

      This is nothing new. Where have you been all these years. His sexual perversion has long been the source of many rumors.

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    3. Nanci Merczel August 25, 2016

      Oh, and you just automatically know this? What do you base your “facts” on?

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  30. Bonissima91910 July 24, 2016

    When there is a rape, the psychological fall-out upon the victim is never straight and clear, and the damage lingers unforgettably. Having experienced and survived a rape from a “powerful” judge in the Oakland Bay Area @ 20 years ago, and having come from a family with enormous dis-functionality made my hold my secret for many years. I even forgot the judge’s name and to-date I can not remember it. However, I can remember his face, his filthy breath and his stubby-short-thick-deformed penis which undoubtedly was the source of enormous shame on his part and rage as expressed upon me. This entire recount of the Trump’s possible rape upon a young person reminded me vividly my own nightmare. Anyone who has not endured and lived through rape need not so quickly and judgmentally speak. Powerful, sick, rich men/individuals have “weapons and exert control” lasting lifetimes.

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  33. Nanci Merczel August 25, 2016

    Why doesn’t the news talk about this? are they afraid of Trump, too? They don’t have to say he’s “guilty” since the case hasn’t yet gone to trial…but they can report that the charges have been filed……why is the media so afraid of trump?

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  34. Audrey Blankenship Gill September 10, 2016

    This is bull, Bill Clinton was the one who went to the guys Island.

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    1. subjectofgov October 9, 2016

      But he’s a Dem. He gets a pass, no investigation.

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  35. subjectofgov October 9, 2016

    Don’t know if it’s all true, but I do know the Clinton’s get a pass on their dealings. When the Monica ordeal filled the news the left was claiming it wasn’t important. That in Europe people consider that the politicians business. Not so much if they are Republican though.

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  36. subjectofgov October 9, 2016

    Like I’ve been saying for a long time. Trump needs to know just how dirty the Clinton’s play the political game. They will stop at nothing to get back in the White House.

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