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Fix The Website, And The Political Problem Solves Itself

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Fix The Website, And The Political Problem Solves Itself

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Possibly feeling sorry for the ex-rancher-turned-dog-portrait-painter, Fox News even went so far as to dub this president’s mealy-mouthed apology “Obama’s Watergate.” Meanwhile, a bunch of ostensibly liberal Washington courtiers/pundits proved their independence by joining the excited throng declaring Obama’s presidency finished.

Except wait a minute. Didn’t many of the same savants declare the GOP defunct after the government shutdown a few weeks back? Well, that was melodramatic nonsense too. While much of their intended audience dozes, headline-hungry, ratings-driven, click-soliciting news organizations act increasingly like a litter of kittens in a room full of balloons—excitedly chasing the next big political scandal or a glimpse of Miley Cyrus’s nipple.

Whichever comes first.

That’s life at CLNN, “Where the Sky Is Always Falling.”

Comparing a health insurance fib to a botched natural disaster or a catastrophic war is morally grotesque to begin with. Goodness, nobody died. If this the worst falsehood President Obama emits, he’ll go down as one of the least mendacious pols in living memory.

Also, let’s not pretend that public ignorance and sloth weren’t a big part of the problem. Anybody who paid minimal attention understood that phasing out Brand X health insurance was the whole point of the ACA. That’s probably why you never heard Mitt Romney take serious issue with Obama’s promise. He probably heard it, as did most informed people, as a mild exaggeration.

As Sarah Kliff explained on her Washington Post “Health Care Watch” blog, “the whole point of the health care law was to eliminate insurance plans that didn’t offer robust enough coverage. Giving these plans another year on the market would be a step backward …The wave of insurance cancelations happening right now is a feature of the law; not a bug.”

So anyway, what really set the kittens amongst the balloons was the flabbergasting failure of the Healthcare.gov website—a Rube Goldberg contraption assembled by 55 private contractors with nobody in the Obama administration seemingly taking charge. This unaccountable failure led to millions of consumers abruptly dumped by their insurance companies having no easy way to learn that for the great majority, better options exist.

Fix the website, and the political problem fixes itself.

AFP Photo/Karen Bleier

Gene Lyons

Gene Lyons is a political columnist and author. Lyons writes a column for the Arkansas Times that is nationally syndicated by United Media. He was previously a general editor at Newsweek as wells an associate editor at Texas Monthly where he won a National Magazine Award in 1980. He contributes to Salon.com and has written for such magazines as Harper's, The New York Times Magazine, The New York Review of Books, Entertainment Weekly, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Esquire, and Slate. A graduate of Rutgers University with a Ph.D. in English from the University of Virginia, Lyons taught at the Universities of Massachusetts, Arkansas and Texas before becoming a full-time writer in 1976. A native of New Jersey, Lyons has lived in Arkansas with his wife Diane since 1972. The Lyons live on a cattle farm near Houston, Ark., with a half-dozen dogs, several cats, three horses, and a growing herd of Fleckvieh Simmental cows. Lyons has written several books including The Higher Illiteracy (University of Arkansas, 1988), Widow's Web (Simon & Schuster, 1993), Fools for Scandal (Franklin Square, 1996) as well as The Hunting Of The President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton, which he co-authored with National Memo Editor-in-Chief Joe Conason.

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  1. FT66 November 20, 2013

    ACA is not Obama’s Katrina. There is no any comparison at all. During Katrina, people lost their lives, their belongings, frustrated, no help at all, leaders turned to be blind, deaf, and did extend any hand of help. Contrary to ACA, people are shown a lifeline forever, make their own choices what insurance cover suits them best, leaders are behind them showing they are there to foresee that not only that you eat well, get money to keep you living, BUT also an Affordable Health Care which is very essential in any human being’s life.

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    1. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

      Pass the Koolaid, please. What a crock!!

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      1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

        I think tz from Toronto is actually Mayor Ford, and he’s mixing crack with his koolaid again..LOL

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    2. TZToronto November 20, 2013

      What happened in Katrina, aside from 1000+ people losing their lives? A lot of people lost their homes, right? What happens with the current health care system? A lot of people lose their homes, right? If anything, the ACA is the opposite of Katrina. It will enable people to keep their homes if they get sick.

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      1. bikejedi November 20, 2013

        This article states that this isn’t Obama’s Katrina and if he gets the Website fixed it will go away ? Really ? Right now people think of it as a Train Wreck and when they get to try it for themselves they will find that the comparison isn’t fair …..to Train Wrecks ….Even Dem Voters are now getting hip to the fact that Soviet Communist style Big Govt Central Planning DOES NOT WORK …. These people cant walk and chew bubble gum at the same time ..Anyone want to take a bet on that website working by the end of the month ? Do you think the Dems can table this TAX LAW and hide how bad this TAX LAW is until 2016 ? You know they will LIE to THEIR voters and try to keep pushing it back

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        1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

          Only lying bigots think the way you do. Real people know that the PPCA (Obamacare) will smooth out and become indispensable just like Social Security and Medicare.

          Vile, hateful Tea Bigots hate everything, so nobody expects them to like it. In fact, anything that the vile and despicable Tea Bigots hate becomes more popular with real people in direct proportion to the bitter bigots’ rants.

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          1. bikejedi November 20, 2013

            You have to feel used don’t you ? I mean we on the right have been telling you for 3 years what a cluster fuck this thing is .Yet you either believed Obama’s Lies ( making you real dumb ) or you knew he was lying and let him use you as a tool . ( in effect you allowed him to clown you ) Either way that doesn’t change the fact that he LIED Obamacare Sucks and people now are finding that out . Obama and Obamacare are sinking fast3er then the Titanic …Oh and you mention Medicare ? You do realize that while that program does benefit people it is a complete an utter failure from an economics perspective right ? I mean it is operating at 10 times the projected cost . Obamacare is already 3 times the cost of the original estimate and no one has even gotten any coverage yet …To compare this thing to the Titanic does the the Titanic a grave disservice … after all at least the Titanic made it out of port and ran fine for 3 days

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          2. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            You bitter bigots have been whining an sniveling since Obama was elected. It doesn’t matter — your whining makes the real people in America happy, because anything that vile bigot hate is a good thing.

            We’ll just have to send Eric out to kick you around a little. Redneck bigots get too uppity unless you beat them down on a fairly regular basis.

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          3. easton November 21, 2013

            you have no idea what you are talking about, at all. you offer nothing by hystrionics that have nothing whatsoever to do with the law. but idiocy like yours can’t be fixed so I won’t even bother rebutting it.

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          4. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            pssst……when you’re done having that meltdown.. ..histrionics….;-) i am here to help

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          5. bikejedi November 21, 2013

            You cant rebut the truth so you are wise not to try .
            All I did was point out the obvious truths . We on the right have been telling everyone that would listen that the Good ship Obamacare was going to have an epic bad maiden voyage and that Obama LIED to YOU his supporters …You were Gullable enough to buy his LIES and He used you as useful tools and idiots to promote his LIES as YOUR Talking Points …don’t be mad at me that YOUR Messiah used you….. be mad at him …. We told you the truth

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          6. jnap November 21, 2013

            Keep telling yourself that garbage and like most people that think like you, you will end up being completely wrong. We have heard all of these arguments with Social Security, Medicare and medicaid.
            The truth is that you are a complete fool and contribute nothing to the argument.

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          7. bikejedi November 21, 2013

            What’s the matter are you butt hurt ? I mean what I said is factual . While Obama was playing his voters for fools ( with you people being useful tools for him and his agenda ) We on the right have completely and accurately foretold every debacle of the good ship Obama ..alast it was lost at sea with all hands except Obama going down with the ship … Can you say TRAIN WRECK …well we have for like the last 3 years . By the way I’m not trying to contribute to any argument just point out what happened factually

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        2. jnap November 21, 2013

          Tell 50 million Americans that being able to get health insurance for the first time that they are involved in a train wreck and they will tell you to go pis* up a rope.
          You do not speak for the majority of Americans, who have known for a long time that the health insurance industry needed changes.
          It has taken a hundred years to get theses changes and they are not going away.
          Furthermore the health insurance companies are on board the changes as are hospitals and most of the health care industry.

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          1. bikejedi November 21, 2013

            You are right I don’t speak for the majority of Americans they have spoken for themselves . At no point in time has a majority of Americans been on board or favored Obamacare …and

            First off this Train Wreck was only intended to cover approx. 17 million who didn’t have insurance when it was conceived . As soon as the Obama one year waiver for Companies ends more Americans will lose their plans then will be covered by this Train Wreck . This has nothing to do with me so don’t be mad at the messenger it has to do with the way the Dems wrote this bill .
            As for the Health Industry …lets see more and more Dr.s are opting out of it ( 77% of NY State Dr.s surveyed said they would opt out ) and more and more Hospitals have said they would opt out . The Insurance companies like it because of the Obama crony capitalism involved , they are being subsidized at over a trillion to ensure their profitiability so why wouldn’t they like it .
            In the end the only people who like it are those on entitlements , those who are in Public Unions ( mostly Dems who get Tax Payer funded plans and are exempt from Obamacare ) and those Liberals and Dems who voted for Obama and supported Obamacare right up until they read it and then traded their clout for waivers from THEIR Bill .
            Sweet Liberal Hypocrisy

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          2. jnap November 22, 2013

            You are not thinking very clearly are you? Every company in America get its health insurance costs subsidized by the US government because those costs are tax deductible.
            I get my costs subsidized because my company pays a part of my health insurance and so does virtually everyone that purchases health insurance privately.
            Doctors are not going to opt out of anything because they know they will lose out on all of those patients. Doctors will now have a chance to treat their patients with preventative medicine instead of dealing with more serious conditions due to neglect. Hospitals will not have to pick up the costs for unpaid emergency room visits because people will have insurance and be able to go to a primary care physician.
            There is no going back to a busted, inefficient health care system, got it? Just because you don’t like something does not mean other don’t.

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          3. bikejedi November 22, 2013

            There has NEVER been a single poll done by ANYONE that EVER showed that a majority of Americans support this Train Wreck and the numbers keep getting worse as more and more people find out what’s in it .
            Do yourself a favor and do a simple google search . A recent survey in NY stated that 77% of their Dr.s would opt out and a lot of older Dr.s are retiring rather then deal with this .

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          4. jnap November 22, 2013

            Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but Obamacare is not going away.

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          5. bikejedi November 22, 2013

            Not going away ? Well it seems it is such an embarrassment and Train Wreck that not only are they delaying the Corporate and Company mandate until after the mid term elections now it appears they are delaying the individual mandate as well . Gee and a few weeks ago you people were being told to use the talking point that Cruz was a Terrorist for fighting for the American people on that very issue …So does that make Obama and the Dems Terrorists now ? And I personally don’t like the fact that Obamacare is synonymous with Train Wreck or the Titanic … those comparisons as you have rightfully pointed out are unfair ….Yes they are unfair to Train Wrecks as Obamacare gives them a bad name that they don’t deserve and to the Titanic which by comparison was a great success . After all the Titanic actually made it out of port and ran fine for 3 days . Obamacare has signed up about 30,000 people so far not Millions …where did you get that from ? Meanwhile we are up to about 4 million and counting who have lost their Insurance …Im not peddling hatred and I don’t hate Obama because he is black …Just telling the truth to Liberalism

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          6. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2013

            Stop lying — you hate Obama because he’s black.

            The PPACA is the law, so you will just obey the law, boy, and that’s that. Your whining and sniveling is just an added benefit.

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          7. bikejedi November 23, 2013

            the way things are going economically by next year I will qualify for Cook County ” County Care just like most of the Dems here . I will also be able to join the ever growing ranks that Obama is making dependent on govt and get an EBT card and an Obama phone . I am already signing up for Sec 8 …. And by the way is seems that Obama doesn’t want his OWN NAME used on reference to Obamacare …he wants you to call it the ACA because he doesn’t even want his OWN NAME associated with that Train Wreck …So is he a racist who only hates Obamacare because Obama is black ? Hahahahah …By the way it looks like Obama is now going to delay the individual mandate back past the mid terms . He already had delayed the Corporate mandate so the Dems could retain seats and now that it looks like the individual mandate would also cost them every freaking seat he is conveniently pushing that back so that the DEMs wont be blamed for all of their LIES on Obamacare ..It seems the4 only difference between Obamacare and the Titanic is that the Captain went down with the ship on the Titanic and Obama has jumped into a life boat dressed in drag to escape Obamacare ….the only thing he is interested in going down on is Reggie Love…

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          8. bikejedi November 23, 2013

            oh.. Stop trying to defend him and go drown with the ship like the rest of the Liberals Obama fooled with his LIES . Why are you still allowing him to use you as a tool while he openly has clowned you ? I mean he Lied to YOU and you still repeated his talking points for him …Now he has balied on his own Tax Law and here you are still letting him use you and clown you .

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          9. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2013

            Well OF COURSE you would sign up for Section 8. After all, you are a right-wing redneck, and everyone knows that right-wing rednecks are the biggest freeloaders in the country.

            You are lying (of course) when you say Obama doesn’t want people to use the term ‘Obamacare’. He likes the term and even uses it himself. He must get extra special enjoyment when he hears people like you pitifully whining and crying about it — it’s like kicking redneck bigot ass every day without even having to break a sweat.

            You know, what you redneck bigots should do is get a job, but then everyone knows that rednecks are stupid to hold one. So if you are going to freeload off liberals (as usual), please at least have the good manners to stay in your own trailer park where we don’t have to see you. And for God’s sake learn to wash, then we won’t have to smell you.

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          10. bikejedi November 24, 2013

            Do you understand sarcasm ? I guess not . As for Obama himself not using the term Obamacare out of shame …He hasn’t used that term in the last two months and the Whitehouse sent out emails to all Dept.s directing them and all Liberals to not use his name in conjunction with his signature piece of Legislation because it is a Train Wreck he doesn’t want to be associated with …God you don’t even know what is going on in your own Party

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    3. angelsinca November 20, 2013

      I want the same coverage these so-called ‘leaders’ have.

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      1. Ekpe November 21, 2013

        Then grow up!

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        1. infadelicious November 21, 2013

          You told Angelsinca to grow up!! Care to explain how wanting the same coverage as the people in Washington that are supposed to represent us and actually do work for us have is immature? or will you just name call and avoid the simple question you dont want to answer. Why should they get better coverage?

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      2. jnap November 24, 2013

        You got it sweety, Congress has to get its health insurance from the exchanges. How about you, do you have health insurance?

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        1. angelsinca November 24, 2013

          Congress may choose from 112 ‘gold plated’ plans in the ACA exchange. The president and his administration can keep their gov’t worker plans. Civilians don’t have the same choices.

          I’ve had health insurance continuously for 40 years, until the last premium increase influenced by the ACA. In order to afford the same coverage, we have to step down into a bronze plan where the deductible cannot be afforded before the insurance kicks on. IOW, we pay more for less.

          My story doesn’t matter. The real deathnail to this obamacare scheme is the lack of young healthy participants that won’t/can’t pay into it.

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          1. jnap November 25, 2013

            And executives from most large companies have jet planes to ride around in. Why don’t you write your congressman and demand that they get a plan like yours? Oh, I forgot the Republican don’t want you to have any choice except being denied coverage for preexisting conditions, getting your health insurance cancelled if you get sick and paying for crap coverage that makes you feel better but doesn’t cover anything. As for the young, especially those going to college, they will have coverage on their parents plans until they are 26. It is not free but they will have it if they want and to get in most colleges, these days, you have to have health insurance. Everyone needs health insurance and the young will figure that out

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    4. angelsinca November 20, 2013

      The government is not your parent. Your parents don’t keep paying your way, because they understand you are supposed to grow up and take care of yourself eventually. Your welfare is the result of YOU working to take care of yourself and your family, not from the government nuturing you. They only want your tax dollars.

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        Yes, so that the lying redneck goobers in the red states can snort said tax dollars up — is that what you meant?

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        1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

          No, not what I meant. The key point is to ‘grow up’.

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            Yes, we all know that the red state redneck goobers slurp up tax dollars that far exceed what they pay in. Is this your idea of ‘grown up’?

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      2. FT66 November 20, 2013

        I think you are not fully aware why governments exist. No one buys anything or take care of it, if at all they do not need it. People make their government, they pay taxes to it, they choose their leaders to make sure the government is well managed. In return they have to benefit from the government of their choice they made. It is always like two-way-traffic and NOT one-way.

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        1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

          Good theory. But reality reminds us it doesn’t really work like this.

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          1. easton November 21, 2013

            nonsense. you try living without government sometime.

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          2. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            I usually do, whenever possible off the radar. The shutdown wasn’t even noticeable except for the intentional pain wrought by Obama’s goons in the Park Service

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      3. jnap November 21, 2013

        And that is what the ACA, AKA Obamacare does. It makes you take care of you own health insurance so that you will not be dependent on the tax payers and bankruptcy court to pay your health care bills.
        The Government is not issuing you insurance, private insurance companies are and they can not sell you crap anymore. Everyone wins except those that like to buy crap health insurance that doesn’t cover even the most basic things. Are you one of those? Sorry Charley but you will only be able to buy crap for one more year. Please rush over to your local insurance company and ask them for the crap policy. I am sure they will take your money and then provide you with a useless policy just like they have doing for years.

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        1. angelsinca November 22, 2013

          The fundamental issue is b eing told that what I chose is crap. And then, having that choice taken away by someone I don’t know , trusting that they are providing something ‘better’. The replacements might be better for someone, but so far, they aren’t my family or anyone I know. But please keep believing in the dream that they know what’s best for you.

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          1. jnap November 22, 2013

            It is true for damn near everything that you buy that can be fraudulent or harmful that the government and regulators are involved. Try buying a new car that doesn’t have brakes that work, lacks set belts or puts out massive amounts of pollution. Try driving without a license.and auto insurance. In Florida you have to have no fault insurance, which is health insurance that covers your injuries if you have an auto accident. This insurance is mandatory..You can’t attend a university in Florida if you don’t have health insurance; it is mandatory. There or many insurance policies you must have so don’t give me the I shouldn’t have to do anything argument, it makes you appear less than knowledgeable.
            Lastly, the coverage’s under Obamacare are what the health insurance industry and doctors recommend if people are to get even the very basic of health care. I have no idea what your problem is but I like the government to be involved. I don;t want to fly without the FAA, eat food without the FDA involved be treated for an illness without the American Medical Association deciding with is appropriate and effective. A civilized country requires government to assure its citizens are not constantly getting ripped off and harmed.

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          2. angelsinca November 22, 2013

            “A civilized country requires government to assure its citizens are not constantly getting ripped off and harmed.”

            But you must first have a government that you trust NOT to harm you.

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          3. jnap November 22, 2013

            I trust the government because I have no reason not to. I want a government that represents all of us and not just those with the most money that can buy their way into office. But don’t forget that there are millions of people that work for various governmental agencies from the local up through the Federal level. I believe that the vast majority of these workers have integrity and try to do their best each day.
            Perhaps you should get a government job and look at it from the inside.

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          4. angelsinca November 22, 2013

            I lost the last ounce of trust I had for Obama when he closed the WH for tours, blaming my elected leaders. Further reinforcement came when the Vets were blocked from the WW2 memorial, again blaming Republicans. Look, there are over 100 million Americans who are regularly shunned by the WH as political enemies. He doesn’t represent much more than his own political interests. Worst president ever. Then again, I wasn’t around before Eisenhower to see how indifferent, unpopular and mistrusted a president could become.

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          5. jnap November 24, 2013

            Sorry to inform you but WH tours and Memorial tours are items that have to have Congress approval for funding. Since Congress shut down the government there was no funds to pay the people to conduct the tours since they were laid off, got it?
            How the hell can you blame the President, he didn’t shut down the government the cock suc&ing tea party Republicans did.

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          6. angelsinca November 24, 2013

            I know how the appropriations process works. You just refuse to wrap your head around the notion that Obama is mean spirited enough to cause intentional pain on the American people, solely for political gain. This makes you a tool, big time. Sucker.

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          7. jnap November 25, 2013

            If you know then you also know that you are ignoring the fact that Congress caused the shutdown and the cancelling of the tours.
            Boy that Obama is really mean spirited; how dare he help 50 million Americans get health insurance that could not do so previously.
            If that is mean then that makes you a fool.

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          8. angelsinca November 25, 2013

            The FACT’ is that OBAMA refused to negotiate with congress, causing the PARTIAL shutdown. The sequester-same thing. If we had a tested and respected LEADER as president that had the skills to cut thru the partisanship, we would have avoided the pettiness.BUT Obama is one of the worst party-mongers ever.

            How many of those ’50 million’ people (LOL, gross over estimate) have lost their insurance due to Obamacare? About FORTY FIVE million of them were already covered by medicare. But you people continued to run up the debt and raid SS until another scheme like the ACA was needed to CONTINUE health coverage. How about those poverty stats? Record highs under Team Obama.-way to go!

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          9. jnap November 25, 2013

            You can’t negotiate anything with the Republicans. Do you remember the McConnell remark about the Republicans only goal was to make Obama a one term President? How do negotiate with someone that says they want to get rid of you?
            Actually, I believe that more like 50 million are on Medicare and over 60 million on Medicaid. What do you expect when the top 1% have 60% of the wealth. Hell, the Walton family has more wealth than 130 million American combined.
            But the Republicans in Congress were still the ones that shut down the government because they wanted Obama to de-fund Obamacare. They knew he would never do that but you can’t tell the republicans anything. They operate on the kill everything they don’t like theory and Americans are getting tired of their crap.
            As for the economy, I guess you were born after Bush left it in ruins with a trillion dollar deficit for unpaid for wars and unemployment over 9%.

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          10. angelsinca November 28, 2013

            Obama is unable to negotiate beyond the petulance he openly practices. Blaming that inability to lead (as a mature president should) on one idiotic statement from one congressman doesn’t seem rational.

            Blaming the rich doesn’t make a difference on the number of people plunged into poverty under Obama as a DIRECT result of poor economic and social policy. But please feel free to continue blaming the rich, the GOP and everything else EXCEPT the actual cause.

            Bush left office with a 10 trillion dollar debt and nearly a trillion dollar deficit. The nat’l debt is now OVER $17T and rising while the CURRENT deficit remains at $980B, PLUS the other TRILLION dumped on the market by the Fed annually. The QE effort still isn’t producing the results promised, as poor employment recovery and poverty growth continue to haunt most of America. But, it is ‘Bush’s fault’ and the GOP, never that one that is SUPPOSED to lead the nation in a favorable direction. Got it.

            Debt, deficit, deception. The three ‘D’s of Obama’s legacy that echo his grade on leadership skills.

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          11. angelsinca November 23, 2013

            “Perhaps you should get a government job and look at it from the inside.”

            Presently, I am the wrong race, gender and age to get a ‘Government Job’. Having worked in aerospace for several prime contractors and working alongside GAO and DoD watchdogs, I can say that those with federal authority are usually nit-picking pricks. Every visit to the DMV reinforces this notion at the state level, as does interaction with any school system and/or county agency that are beholden to federal monies.

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          12. jnap November 24, 2013

            Nit picking pricks? Well I worked at Kennedy Space Center when Challenger blew up and, in case you didn’t knew it, it was because not enough nitpickers were around.
            Take your hatred and misinformation somewhere else.
            As For the DMV, they have a saying: If you want a better picture bring a better face. Maybe that applies to you?

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          13. angelsinca November 24, 2013

            “I worked at Kennedy Space Center when Challenger blew up..it was because not enough nitpickers were around.”

            The Challenger disaster happened because of Thiokol execs that choose to appease NASA demands to launch on schedule, even though the booster seals hadn’t been fully tested at lower ambient temps. Nit picking bureaucrats wouldn’t have saved the day. If anything, their determination to launch that day helped to cause the disaster, just like the insistence to launch the ppACA website resulted in a massive failure.

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          14. jnap November 25, 2013

            I don’t agree. First comparing the explosion of the Challenger Shuttle to the launch of Obamacare is ridicules. When Challenger blew up 7 astronauts died and the space program was set back several years. The Obamacare website is just a temporary problem and will be fixed shortly and no one has died so…try to keep things in perspective.
            And just so you know, NASA did bring in more nitpickers and the problem with the O rings was solved. That by itself did not completely solve the problems with the culture at NASA which lead to the shuttle Columbia disaster. The problem with humanity is humanity, isn’t it?

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          15. jnap November 22, 2013

            What we are talking about is standards. There are standards for electrical systems, food preparation in restaurants, plumbing, auto and home owners insurance and building codes. If your policy meets the standards then there is no problem if it doesn’t then it must change to meet the standards. It is not arbitrary to have standards because professional consensus is what determines what any standard should be. The Obama administration had nothing to do with creating the standards for health insurance, the insurance companies along with the health care industry decided what a policy should cover or not cover based on empirical evidence.
            You may say that you don’t like some of the standards but that does not allow the standards to be ignored. Over time if something needs to be removed and something added it will happen because of consensus and not because of politics.
            There are 5 levels of coverage under the Obamacare mandate and I find it hard to believe that one of these levels does not fit your personal requirements. I believe that if there were 50 levels you would still complain because you appear to be against anything Obama.
            Lastly, I have had many health insurance policies cancelled over the years and had to go find a new one. Insurance companies cancel policies all of the time and now under Obamacare they can not do it just because you are sick. Those days are over.

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          16. angelsinca November 22, 2013

            I didn’t say I don’t like the ACA standards. I don’t like how the MY healthcare standards as defined by the ghostwriters of the ppACA have negatively effected my family. Our health coverage is no longer affordable. Period. This point cannot be debated. We now have less and are expected to pay more. So, as a veteran from the Vietnam era, I applied for healthcare under the VA. The earliest appointment I could get for chronic foot pain (to the point I am unable to hobble without tears swelling) is Jan 27th. Under my private plan, the wait was about 1-2 days. THIS is one of many reasons the gov’t should NOT be running health care, among other things. Please don’t aim your personal assumptions at me of what you THINK I would or would not do. You don’t know me. If you have an argument, make it. Since you have resorted to personal insult, it seems you have nothing further to say that is helpful. Thanks.

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          17. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2013

            Yes, the point CAN be debated. There are more claims out here by right-wing haters that their insurance got canceled than there are insurance policies. If your policy got canceled because of the PPACA, then you will have a letter of cancellation stating such. Redact any personal information and post the proof here. I’ll bet it has nothing whatever to do with the PPACA — insurance cancellations aren’t new.

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          18. jnap November 24, 2013

            Try blaming the person responsible for the backlog at the VA: George Bush. He created the problem and Obama has been try for 5 years to fix it. Once again it requires Congressional action because they approve the funding, got it?
            Some folks have Medicare and they love. maybe you should sign up?

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  2. Edsanjuan November 20, 2013

    To poor excuse for a reporter Gene Lyons:
    “Fix the website, and the political problem fixes itself.” ??!!!
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa!!!
    You wish ….

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    1. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

      BINGO!!!!

      Gene Lyons, useful idiot du jour, giving yellow journalism a good name once again.

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        Hey! It’s the lying plagiarist!!

        Whose articles are you trying to pass off as your own today, plagiarist?

        You got BUSTED!!

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  3. jackster12 November 20, 2013

    The ridiculousness of comparing a jammed website with an epic, tragic and fatal (literally) mismanagement of a natural catastrophe aside… my wife and I have done the numbers and frankly, we like how they sound.

    Get this: we’ve got a high household income (mid six figures) and I’m self-employed. Plus, we come from a state where the healthcare.gov site was the only option and, of course, unusable. And yes, we did get a letter from BC-BS saying our current plan would be cancelled. Based on that, you’d imagine Sean Hannity would have us on speed dial for an interview.

    Yet, the way it looks like it will work, we’re about to save around $300 a year on a new plan that — though it has a deductible that’s $6,000 (our prior one was $5,000) — we’re adding no limits on payouts, an extended drug plan, and more. In short, this will work out great for us… even as, we hope, it works out great for those who didn’t have coverage at all, before.

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  4. Dominick Vila November 20, 2013

    Solving the ACA website problem will be a positive step forward, but what is most important to the President and Democrats in general is the fact that the more Americans learn about ACA, the more they like it. Conversely, the more the Tea Party demonizes the deeper the hole they are digging for themselves.
    What we really need to do is to put together a team of highly qualified individuals to go through the entire legislation, eliminate contradictory statements, change or modify facets of the program that are counter productive, and develop literature, similar to the MEDICARE pamphlets that seniors get every year, to help educate the general population by explaining the ACA’s most important benefits, the options available, cost, and other issues important to the average citizen.
    The ACA debate is not over, it is beginning and what is of paramount importance at this point is to market its benefits, and focus on efficiency and cost-effectiveness.

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    1. idamag November 20, 2013

      That is why the tea party has fought so hard to keep it from being initiated – people will like it.

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    2. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

      Para. 1: Don’t look now, Dominick, but, not ONE polling group agrees with you.
      Para. 2: Isn’t that what Sebelius and her team were supposed to do?
      Para. 3: Here, right and wrong. It isn’t over. Efficiency & cost effectiveness, NONE of which now or will then exist.

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      1. howa4x November 20, 2013

        If the GOP was an actual partner in a bipartisan way this legislation would be farther along. They were at the table in the beginning and had every opportunity for input. They did get some of what they wanted in as much the insurance companies were kept in place. It is not a zero sum game where we either have it or not. The old system was broken, and everyone knows that. This is still the old system with some modifications that doesn’t leave millions out. Knowing that we can’t go back we need to go forward. The GOP has a choice whether to be like a kamikaze and fight to the death or be like statesmen, and compromise for a better future for everyone

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        1. montanabill November 20, 2013

          “…had every opportunity for input.” Where were you when ACA was being created? The Republicans were totally shut out. It is totally in the record! Does this ‘everybody knows that’ include the people who had insurance they choose and liked?

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          1. howa4x November 20, 2013

            Who were the gang of six. do you remember that. Chuck Grassley was in the room as well as 2 other republicans. Don’t look at the vote only since Mitch McConnell convinced every republican member to vote against the bill. Look at who was on the senate finance committee. Secondly if only democrats were left to design it with no other input you would have had the public option that the house passed. Republicans made sure that the insurance companies would still be in charge of managing health care payments, when they acted like it was going to be a bi partisan bill. This is why they adopted what Gov Romney passed in Massachusetts. In fact the same one who wrote that bill wrote the ACA. This is a republican idea, hatched by the heritage foundation, and why a republican was the 1st one to try it. Common Bill stop just watching Fox and look up some things.

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          2. montanabill November 21, 2013

            All that counts is the vote. Too many variables in the back room meetings.

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        2. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

          “leave millions out”? Who you BS’ing. Ever heard of Medicaid?
          Do believe you have things a bit backwards on the kamikaze
          vs. statesmen? And what compromise have we truly seen from
          Obama – – key word – – truly, not simple rhetoric for the cameras?

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          1. howa4x November 20, 2013

            Upwards of 4 million people are left out of the Medicaid expansion because 25 states refuse to accept it. As for a compromise, if the democrats didn’t you would have a public option for the uninsured. The sign ups for the ACA are moving along in the blue states, and we are moving to a 2 tired health care system. It will be like the tale of two cities. In one part of the country people will have health care access and in the other they won’t. Then we will see how the republican brand really looks.

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        3. angelsinca November 20, 2013

          They’ve had literally YEARS to work out the flaws that the authors and Dem leaders are only now willing to admit exist. The constituency obviously isn’t that far along in understanding the fatally flawed ACA yet.

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          1. howa4x November 20, 2013

            Have you ever sat down to try and contemplate a national health care system, with all the stakeholders, and vested interests at the table? The plan is having trouble because it was meant to be a state run plan not a federal one. In the blue states the websites are working fine since they are state run, and sign ups are happening at a record pace. The red states decided to sit back and leave it to the feds to set up 25 different exchanges. The losers in this is not Obama , but rather the people in the red states that will not be able to readily sign up for health care access and Medicaid expansion

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          2. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            The functionality or hosts of the websites is not the issue. The gov’t-run ANYTHING is. Look to the VA or the DMV for how they do it so ‘well’. The losers here are the dopes that think the free market couldn’t function without being taken over by the conglomerate of inadequacies spewing out of DC.

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            The free market has failed American health insurance for too many years, rendering the American health system the most expensive and least efficient of any major industrialized nation. Let’s see if you can deny that simple fact.

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          4. angelsinca November 23, 2013

            “The free market has failed American health insurance for too many years, ”

            It was not a free market. The government controlled over half the healthcare industry thru subsidy and mandate. The government kept hammering the industry with regulation and underpayment. The healthcare system (via the insurers) could only react by inflating the cost to accomodate the mandates and to attempt fair reimbursement for their services. NEVER has government involvement driven down the cost of services or product. Ever.

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          5. WhutHeSaid November 23, 2013

            I know that you wish these were the facts (because you hate Obama), but they aren’t.

            The government doesn’t control the health care industry through subsidy and mandate even now, with the PPACA finally going into effect. The health care industry in the US is still private as it always has been. The government’s involvement has been primarily in the insurance aspect of the industry, and for good reason: the private insurance industry in the US has been running amok for years, with big monopolies that have done nothing to control costs through competition. The same is true for health providers — particularly the big hospital chains and pharmaceutical companies.

            Medicare has long been more efficient than private health insurance, and private health insurance costs have been far outpacing Medicare for years. The PPACA is a law designed to address both insurance costs (by increasing the policyholder pool) and health care cost (by moving towards results-oriented care delivery and away from fee-for-service), and the simple fact is that the approach has already been proven to work.

            America has the worst ROI on health care of any major industrialized nation. A solution was long overdue.

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          6. Ekpe November 21, 2013

            My dear, like all conservatives I know, you don’t ever try to reason with others. Try reasoning. You may even come to like it.

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          7. angelsinca November 22, 2013

            Sorry Ekpe. Common sense cannot reason with delusional perception.

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    3. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

      In other words, Dommy, what is most important is the LIE about Obozodon’tcare and don’t tell the truth about what a sheet sandwich this really is. No amount of “fixing” is going to change the sheet sandwich. It is what it is.

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        Did you write that post yourself or did you PLAGIARIZE it like many of your other posts?

        LIAR!!

        PLAGIARIST!!!

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        1. infadelicious November 21, 2013

          hey! i just realized that Fern Woodcock is not on here because she/he is actually posting under the name WhutHeSaid… WhutHeSaid is the “nurse” Fern hahahaha……omg! too funny…. I thought i recognized the writing style of that shaved ape. oops, I meant to send this to someone else..tee hee

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      2. infadelicious November 21, 2013

        hey! i just realized that Fern Woodcock is not on here because she/he is actually posting under the name WhutHeSaid… WhutHeSaid is the “nurse” Fern hahahaha……omg! too funny…. I thought i recognized the writing style of that shaved ape.

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        1. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

          I’ll bet you’re right about that, infa. Have you ever seen that crack whore Fern and whut ever post at the same time? I think not!

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          1. BillP November 21, 2013

            Bozo it’s not nice to refer to you mommy as a crack whore. After all she provides you with a place to stay so what if it’s a basement.

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          2. infadelicious November 22, 2013

            quick sucking up to Fern aka WhutHeSaid just cause you owe her money…………..

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          3. BillP November 22, 2013

            Infa how come you have to reply for your little boy Bozo? Am I wrong I thought you said you were not him or were only intimate with him. Is that the best reply you come up with, I’m really disappointed in you.

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          4. infadelicious November 22, 2013

            not replying for him…,replying for myself. You are on a public forum and despite obozo, it is still a free country. Just as you have replied to me when in fact, I was directing a comment to someone else, i am allowed to do the same to you. Now, you have a billl to settle with Fern aka WhatHeSaid. God bless America , it even allows dullards like you the right to project your fantasies and bs on others.

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          5. BillP November 23, 2013

            Well then I guess the little boy needs someone to defend him. What I love about you right wing whiners is that you see bogey men everywhere trying to take away some freedom of yours. I never said you couldn’t reply I’m just wondering why the little boy doesn’t but you do.

            I also see that you whiners can’t get through a comment without sinking to name calling. You will have to tell me what fantasies I’m trying to project on you. All I did was respond to Bozo’s calling some one a crack whore, that’s really great coming from someone who proclaims to be a Christian.

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          6. infadelicious November 23, 2013

            Sorry you are mistaking me for someone who wants to listen to a hypocritical (see your own name-calling “Christian like insults “) blathering dullard. Shalom Aleichem

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          7. BillP November 23, 2013

            You tend to get a bit delusional as your comments continue. How did I make an anti-Christian remark by questioning Bozo’s calling someone a crack whore. All I said was that he proclaims to be a Christian but doesn’t speak,or act like one.

            Thank you,for wishing “peace be on me” though I don’t think that’s what you meant. Please stop your withering comments like blathering dullard, they are just too much to bear.

            We’ll we do,know that you right wing whiners never want to listen anybody with a different opinion.

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          8. infadelicious November 23, 2013

            You have sent at least 6 comments to me after I told you that you have mistaken me for someone who wants to read posts from a hypocritical blathering dullard which proves I was correct. You insinuate that OMG ‘s mother was a crack ho. And then you question his faith? Duh. As for Bush and Reagan they are gone. At least 5 years of obozo continuing someone else’s programs and wars so I think it’s time for him to put on his big boy pants and take off the cool mom jeans and own it!! Man the *^#*! Up obozo! He owns it all, the phones , Benghazi, IRS , NSA, Obama crapCare , epic fail all the way around. Conservatives will come in three years and clean it up So he can leave with his basketball and golf clubs and sponge off America from afar. Shalom

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          9. BillP November 23, 2013

            Talk about blathering, you seem to forget that Bozo called someone a crack whore initially. I only replied after his ungracious comment and then I did and still do question his faith when he tends to call people names but can’t defend himself. I think you,need to learn how to count, I see only 4 comments.

            What’s with the Bush and Reagan sentence who brought them into this stream? Aren’t we the tough little boy telling the president to man the f up. All you,are is a coward who,hides behind an alias. Such anger I believe you have some unresolved issues that you,need to get some counseling on. In 3 years you better hope the conservative have someone better than Cruz or Rand Paul because they will never carry the country. May peace be with you for the next 3+ years

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          10. infadelicious November 23, 2013

            So you think it’s ok to say his mother is a crack ho because ” he started it- wah” That makes sense. Must be a liberal thing. Because obozo always blames someone else too. Bush started the policies – so obozo continues them and its still bushes fault. As for independent -he asks a lot of questions that he answers himself and blathers on like you do and doesn’t really want me to answer just as you don’t you just want to get an upvote from your buddies. I could care less what the koolaid drinkers on this website think of me. I am not angry just amazed how angry you guys get when anyone dares disagree with obozo and just how far you go to spin his lies and continuous incompetent bungling into something good . Your guy won and he’s here another 3 years. Don’t be a sore winner. Shalom

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          11. BillP November 23, 2013

            Yes I do think it’s ok to call his mother a crack whore since he did it first. It’s just like you right wing whiners to complain about someone doing something right after you just did the same thing. Bozo constantly calls people names then disappears when challenged, so I guess that’s why you have to defend the little boy.

            You,know,you,seem to blather on and on about President Obama not taking responsibility for his actions. I seem to remember someone asking your beloved W if he had done anything wrong in his 1st term he couldn’t think of anything. Gee wasn’t that convenient. You must be kidding about not being angry, try reading your last comment.

            I’m not a sore winner you are the supreme sore loser, get over it you,lost and will continue to lose if you allow Cruz, et al to speak,for you. Peace out

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          12. infadelicious November 23, 2013

            Waaaaaah. Obozomustgo started it mommy! OMG can take care of himself. Step into 2013. Obozo is president. Could care less about bush or any other president. They are gone and obozo continues the programs and policies you keep whining about past presidents starting. Its been 5 yrs and his sheep/useful idiots still bleat approval even as he lies to their faces. He duped you not once but twice and you enable him to lie and destroy the country . Keep putting party before country. And keep telling people you disagree with what they think and what presidents and candidates they back. Keep assuming – because like obozo your opinion is always right and you know what everyone thinks and you know what is best for them and you will cram it down their throats. Because you know best! Well this is a free country and an open forum Sorry it irks you to hear the truth about obozo but you can always just pass on by my replies as I will do to yours because hearing Wahhh! Bush did it is getting mighty old after 5 long years , mighty old

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          13. BillP November 24, 2013

            Gee Infa-Bozo I thought this was a public forum and you can reply to any comment. Yes I will respond to any comment that Bozo writes where he insults me or anyone else.

            You really should get some counseling for your anger issue. You keep writing these anger fueled replies full of white noise. All you say is President Obama blah!blah blah 5 years, blah blah blah useful idiots approve, blah blah blah I’m always right blah blah blah the truth about President Obama. You just blather on and on and on about people on this website knowing what’s best yet you do the same exact thing when you claim that you and other right wing whiners speak the truth. Yes this is a free country and I will always reply to any comment I choose to.

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          14. infadelicious November 24, 2013

            Duh You have trouble comprehending what you read. Just like TelePrompter Jesus. Didn’t say you can’t reply to me I said you are free to ignore my comments if you just can’t bear them. Now go, go to Justin beibers website you’ll do better there You’ll have to blather incoherently to yourself from now on , unless I throw you a pity reply because much like your brain is to you, you are dead to me. Try and learn english ok? Sheesh !

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          15. BillP November 24, 2013

            Now Infa-Bozo you really need to get your anger under control before it eats you up. I do ignore your rants but they can be quite hilarious and sometimes even amusing. Please make up,your mind do you want me to go to Miley Cryus or Justin Beibers website.

            You know you will reply because you can’t control yourself and you know it. I would check your blood pressure if a simple comment can upset you so much especially a comment from a dead man. Bye for now Infa-bozo

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          16. infadelicious November 24, 2013

            Too much to bear? Try going to Miley Cyrus ‘s website instead . It might be a little less stressful and easier for you to comprehend and “bear”. LOL

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          17. BillP November 24, 2013

            Infa-Bozo is that your attempt at sarcasm? It’s a pretty lame one. Yes your biting comments or should I say your comments that bite are way too much to bear. Keep writing them I can always use a good laugh. Thanks and Shalom to you

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  5. infadelicious November 20, 2013

    obama looking for his credibility…….

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    1. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

      I always find it amusing that people with ‘clever’ names and ‘clever’ avatars post ‘clever’ things that other people have created. I get the impression sometimes that a text post may get you a nickel, but if you post a picture, you get a dime . . .

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      1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

        how clever of you Siegfried……said no one ever!

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        1. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

          . . . and, another nickel in the drum! Well on your way to enough for a suitcase of Olde English and a pack of generic smokes, I see.

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          1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            not familiar with olde english and i don’t smoke. I thought you were a friend of Fern Woodcock? Did you bring her today?

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          2. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

            Fern? Heh. She’s your spiritual counterpart, only far more obscene. She posts rants, whereas you make short nickel posts. After all, long posts pay just the same as short posts, and you need to make 100 of them per hour just to make $5. So long posts where you actually have to think about what you write as opposed to dashing off a faux clever sneer isn’t cost effective.

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          3. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            what do you call what you post? As for Fern being my spiritual counterpart? If you had facts instead of reading a couple of posts or looking at a few random cartoons mocking the messiah and assuming you know me, you would see that Fern and I are miles apart in every way. She would be closer to you as you are an obozo supporter and a liberal, correct? Fern actually on more than one occasion swore that I was you using another name, and called me Siegfried the old gay hillbilly. Those were her words not mine. If you think Fern and I are alike in any way, you have obviously been pounding back the purple drank……. bottoms up…..;-)

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          4. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

            I call it banter . . . I’m here having some fun during my downtime. And yes – you and Fern are exactly the same, but on other ends of the spectrum. Both filled with hate and rage and looking for an outlet. However, at least you are slightly more sane than Fern, who is seriously two won-tons and a spring roll short of a pu-pu platter. Two sides of the same lead coin.

            And I’m less of an Obama supporter than someone presented with a choice between people who are somewhat inept and people whose madness swells by the day. Sorry, but given a choice between crazy and sane, I’ll take ‘sane’ for the win. I used to be a republican, and left it when the party went batboop crazy back in the ’90s, and haven’t looked back.

            The demcrats have a future. The GOP doesn’t, unless it makes some serious corrections. Problem is, by definition, conservatives CAN’T change – if they were capable of change, they wouldn’t be republicans. So, like the dodo, doomed to extinction . . .

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          5. rkief November 20, 2013

            Your last sentence, Siegfried, about extinction, is wishful thinking, but at least that result is worth wishing and working for. Ineffectual would be better than extinction of the Greedy Oligarchic Plunderers, for otherwise, a party equally hypocritical, deceitful and destructive – though it’s hard to imagine – might emerge.

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          6. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

            mmm . . . perhaps, but realistically? By ’20, the strong likelihood is that the GOP is reduced to a rump party festering and fuming in the foul fetid depths of the old confederacy, plotting a comeback and nursing old grudges. Once they lose control of the redistricting process after the ’20 election, they can kiss their gerrymandered districts goodbye, and with that, any hope of regaining their old glory.

            What I really wish is that the GOP could come to their senses, but I’m afraid their madness has become a terminal condition. Sic transit gloria stulti . . .

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          7. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

            Siggy…. Fern is just the official crack whore of this sewer called ‘The Memo’…. pay her no mind

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          8. Siegfried Heydrich November 20, 2013

            I generally don’t, but she’s number one on my list of People It Must Suck To Be.

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          9. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

            BINGO!!!!!!

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          10. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            Hey, did you PLAGIARIZE that word, you lying cheat?

            PLAGIARIST!!

            You need to admit to you PLAGIARISM!!

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      2. idamag November 20, 2013

        This is a kid who thinks he so cute. I wouldn’t indulge the child, the child is obnoxious. You know – the kind you hope their parents won’t bring them to your house.

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        1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

          😉 and yours is the house all kids hope their parents won’t take them to… luckily kids learn about stranger danger……

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        2. 4sanity4all November 20, 2013

          I am scrolling past the troll comments, and just reading the comments of people who are putting their own ideas out there; not Koch-isms.

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          1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

            So, citing the Koch bros separates you from troll comments how?

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    2. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

      I think he’s going to need the Hubble Telescope for that task.

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      1. obibecker November 20, 2013

        He’s not “going”. He won, again.

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  6. Annemb November 20, 2013

    Can we sprinkle some magic disappearing dust on the TGOP so they could disappear?

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    1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

      You should join forces with Oprah. Then the racists and bigots all can pretend they’ve won something worth winning.

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        That would be you and the rest of the bitter Tea Party bigots.

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        1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

          I’m not TP. They aren’t all as bigoted as the I-hate-conservatives crowd, for sure. Ask Oprah.

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            They are the most vile and despicable group of people on the planet, bar none. All of America despises the Tea Bigots — including the Tea Bigots themselves.

            So I’m guessing that you must be old school (KKK). How long have you been a member?

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          2. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            No need to become belligerent. You make stupid personal insinuation you know nothing about.

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            I guess I more or less hit the mark, right?

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          4. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            wrong, as usual, You do that a lot. Must be the practice.

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          5. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Why don’t you take a stab at enumerating Obama’s successes? Every President has successes, but if you cannot will yourself to cite those of Obama then it becomes very clear what you are all about. Care to give it a try? Remember though — he’s a black man.

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  7. howa4x November 20, 2013

    Once the website is fixed the only TV network that will be out there spreading misinformation is you guessed it: FOX. They are still running Benghazi, and fast and furious so I think they will be pounding away for years to come. Since FOX is split between the news and entertainment, although the line is close, it will be interesting if democratic governors start advertising on that station and affiliates about signing up for Obama care

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    1. idamag November 20, 2013

      I guess I missed the news part.

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    2. mikem42 November 20, 2013

      You missed one; they are still doing “birther” from time to time. : )

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      1. howa4x November 20, 2013

        True Dat

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    3. obibecker November 20, 2013

      Fox won a legal decision that they are not required to report the facts even when they know the facts. I dont watch Al-Jazeera and I dont watch FOX. They are identical.

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      1. angelsinca November 21, 2013

        So that would make it The Law. Probably need too just shut up now and accept what they do, like the ACA, right?

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    4. angelsinca November 20, 2013

      Once the website is fixed, we are still stuck with the ppACA. Just ask Jessica Sanford what she thinks about her Obamacare experience. When Obama used her story to illustrate another rare ACA success story, he should have known it was too good to be true. Scammed, all of us.

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      1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        How does it feel to know that nobody cares about your ranting, the PPACA is still the law, and before long it will become just as popular as Medicare and Social Security?

        It infuriates you, of course, but real people see that as a ‘value add’.

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        1. angelsinca November 20, 2013

          Not MY rant amigo. It seems though that my sentiments over the past 3 years and the POS ACA are now shared with almost 60% of The People. It’s a loser. The honest ones are now admitting that. There’s still time for you to also.

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            It hasn’t even fully gone into effect yet. I haven’t heard of anyone who dislikes the fact that their children are able to stay on their policy until 26, or that they are upset because their health insurance can no longer drop them when they get sick, or that they want the old pre-existing condition denials to come back.

            You vile and despicable bigots are making a lot of noise, but that’s all it is. The PPACA is the law, and America will never go back. It infuriates you, of course, but that’s just a happy coincidence.

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          2. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            Take off the blinders and drop the personal attack. Children are adults at 18, not 26.

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            That’s completely beside the point. It infuriates you, yes, because you dislike helping Americans. This too makes me happy.

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          4. angelsinca November 21, 2013

            Why did you bring the 26 ‘children’ talking point then?

            No, an active blogger on a minor liberal blog doesn’t infuriate. The delirium and tedium just annoys, mostly.

            “…you dislike helping Americans.” <<< THAT is a dumb a*s comment. Smells kind of trollish too. No more replies for you. Bye.

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          5. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            Angelsinca: WhatHeSaid is a troll with very limited vocabulary and brain matter. He has no valid defense for the incompetence and bumbling buffoonery of Teleprompter Jesus so he just uses the same old tired insults he always does. He says You’re a bitter tea bigot. He seems obsessed with inbreeding at trailor parks and gets really excited when he implies that you have relations with sheep and chickens. He’ll stalk you, it’s quite creepy actually. Bottom line is he has no credible argument for anything. Best to leave him alone at his basement headquarters at mom’s house. He’ll forget about you and move on when mom brings him another pop tart which he will bite into the shape of a goat.

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          6. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Are you still sore because I outed your NAMBLA membership? Or is it because I exposed all of your other lies?

            There’s nothing challenging about debating you, and your lies get repetitious and boring. I know that accusing people of ‘stalking’ you is the standard redneck goober defense when they’ve been made to look like a monkey in public.

            Even though I beat you like a rented mule on facts, that’s still no excuse to neglect to wash yourself. For the love of God and all that’s holy — will you not learn to wash?

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          7. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            I have never “debated” you. You have a big bag of nothing. To debate me you would have to have a brain, so that is out. keep on bleating about your favorite fantasies, nambla, sheep, chickens, trailer parks and unwashed people etc. it’s very telling the things you are obsessed with. Get some help. Stop projecting your desires on other people. The president is inept and we expected because he never had a real job before, much like yourself, a bum, he was an affirmative action bum . I do not debate you, I just inform you of facts. You’re welcome. Now, you are dismissed.

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          8. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Yes you have — and it wasn’t a pretty sight. Your arguments were all slapped down, of course, because all you really have is the hate of a bitter bigot for a black President.

            As for the rest of your post — is it my fault that you are a lying, bacca-chewin’, sister-humpin’, rooster-lickin’ redneck yahoo who never learned to wash? No! Now that might be perfectly acceptable in your trailer park, but please learn to make yourself presentable when you stumble out into public view.

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          9. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            in your twisted dreams you shaved ape. Still no defense for obozo the teleprompter queen? hahahaha!

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          10. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            That’s what I thought. You have no issues you want to debate, because you will just end up looking like a monkey again. A lying, plagiarizing, redneck, bigoted, sister-humpin’ monkey, of course.

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          11. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            nope! you are a bag full of brainless brown stuff. I would never debate such a clown. You can’t even keep posters straight I think you and Fern woodcock are one and the same. keep thinking about me though. i know it’s rent free but i don’t wish to live in your empty head. please refrain from stalking me. It’s creepy and not normal. have a poptart and simmer down. CU much later Fern;-)

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          12. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Yep, exactly what I expected: chickenshit.

            You have no arguments to make. All of your posts are either inane cartoons that were passed around at one of your NAMBLA meetings or plagiarized posts from somebody else. You are busted, so just admit it.

            You may return to your trailer now and continue twerking to Rush Limbaugh videos. Please wash up before returning to The National Memo — we do have SOME standards around here, you know.

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          13. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            Sorry, Fern, i am busy. don’t you have “nursing” to do? hahahaha………nice try Fern.

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          14. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            That’s completely understandable. Everyone knows that redneck bigots are the biggest cowards around. I’m guessing that Fern must’ve kicked your ass recently, yes?

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          15. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Trollish? Aren’t you the very same person who comes onto a progressive site and rant and raves about Obama and all things liberal? The same poster who accuses other posters of ‘stalking’ you when they defeat your arguments? Yup, that would be you indeed.

            Helping college-age kids stay on their parents’ policies while they work on finishing their education and getting a good start in life is a rather good idea, and also popular. That you would dislike such a thing says more about you than Obamacare.

            I do agree about one thing, though: You probably should run away from me in any debate because the few times I debated you it ended with you looking foolish and reverting to your ridiculous ‘stalking’ accusations. That’s a time-tested defense for right-wing nut-bags on this site when they lose an argument.

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          16. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            I have never debated you and never will. The only defense you have is talking about …chickens and sheep and trailer parks OH MY! Do you drool all over yourself when you type the words “cousin humpin’? you seem obsessed with pedophelia and beastiality as well, Do you see that isn’t normal behavior? seek help. It isn’t normal. You lose any argument you might have when you throw out the first lame chicken joke. epic failure you are — like the president

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          17. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Of course you have. Under your ‘ObozoMustGo’ guise, I not only made you look like a monkey, but I exposed your plagiarism and even debunked the PLAGIARIZED comments that you posted for good measure.

            By the way, I don’t believe that I ever ridiculed you humping your cousin. It was your sister-humping that drew my ire. What’s up with you rednecks and inbreeding, anyway? Don’t you know that this is exactly why redneck bigots never attain an IQ over room temperature? It also explains the unusually large percentage of pear-heads in your trailer park. Is that my fault? No, it’s not.

            If you believe that you can win a debate against me on anything, give it a try and find out. Don’t blame me when you end up looking like a monkey again.

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          18. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Yes, of course — you can see what’s coming. Perhaps you can explain what the legal age of adulthood has to do with helping parents give their children a chance to establish themselves. Absolutely nothing, of course, and this requirement is a good deal for Americans. There is no downside unless you just dislike the idea of helping Americans — which is the obvious point.

            If I were you I’d run away too, because debating this point will only lead to you looking foolish.

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      2. howa4x November 21, 2013

        I guess you were for the public option then

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  8. idamag November 20, 2013

    There have been problems before, but in the days of yore, it was set out to fix them. With the animosity the president has had to face, I would not be surprised if the glitch was a purposeful thing.

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    1. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

      By whom?

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      1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

        on another website one of the paranoid left said the republicans infected the website with an “attack virus”.. hahahahaha….. he was having a meltdown, quite funny and sad at the same time.

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        1. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

          Listening and watching John Barrow, a Democrat from
          Georgia, right now. Let’s just say he feels we have NO
          leadership right now on this thing and actually said the individual mandate needs be repealed, yet the far left
          wingnuts on here can’t see it. Are they blind? Too much
          for them to fathom their fearless leader’s lack of experience
          is finally showing, and in a multitude of theaters. Reminds
          me of a favorite quote from a fairly intelligent person –
          Einstein.

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            You mean the individual mandate that was a Republican (Heritage Foundation) idea and was implemented by Mitt (47-percent) Romney in Massachusetts?

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          2. MrStoneheep November 20, 2013

            To begin with, the 47% was a factual statement. He was speaking of the 47% on the government dole THEN, which is now 51% and climbing. The Heritage Foundation’s format for
            the Socialized medical doesn’t begin to resemble the Obamacare, more correctly called Pelosicare. I’m a Democrat that voted for Obama in 2008 and regretted it soon after when I saw the direction he was going and all the lies from that campaign that surfaced shortly after his start. What adismal failure, and he had both Houses for two years. CSPAN? When? Still waiting. The man has NO experience and we’re paying the price now. I wish Hillary had quit after Benghazi and run against him. She’d have won, and she’d have had the best advisor possible – Bill. She’d have gone in and first off, checked on where Obamacare was, and fixed it, probably firing the incompetents doing the web site and getting the program moving in the right direction – possibly delaying it for at least a year, maybe two, but would have gotten it right. Has it occurred to you what would have happened by now had he NOT delayed the employer mandate for a year? Do you think it might have crossed his mind, especially so since it’s now known he was aware of the problemns? Imagine, if you can, what the outcry would have been had that 4 or 5 million losing their coverage was (you pick the figure as based on reports) 100 million plus or minus. Don’t come at me with your little time worn idiotic statements just so you see your name in print. Face reality. The man is showing what he doesn’t know. Had the employer mandate not been set off far a year, he’d already be staring at impeachment with many a Dem supporting it.
            Quit making excuses by siting non-facts. You are entitled to your opinions. You are NOT entitled to your own facts. They stand on their own.

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            Hee-hee!

            If I had a dollar for every liar who claimed that they voted for Obama on this site, but then came to realize that he is a Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Muslim, anti-Christ engaged in a massive conspiracy to destroy America — why, I’d be able to pay for Obamacare myself.

            You have no facts — just Tea Bigot talking points. Nobody believes you, so why are you wasting time flapping your jaws?

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    2. angelsinca November 20, 2013

      Excusing the piss-poor performance of the ACA web rollout by blaming Republicans amply illustrates the typical total lack of responsibility and integrity enjoyed by the Left.

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  9. montanabill November 20, 2013

    It is my fervent hope that Democrats will absolutely believe this Lyon’s piece. Just keep convincing yourselves that the only problem is a supreme example of government mismanagement in building a website and that it can’t possibly happen with something so large, complex, and well thought out, as Obamacare.
    I think it was just this morning that I saw a clip of Obama yesterday decrying how government goes about procurement, never once mentioning it was his staff that gave a sole source contract to a company with a record of failure (but a very profitable company) who had an executive who was a friend of his wife. Gee, who could have possibly thought that anything would go wrong? Fortunately, and profitably, CGI gets to keep ‘fixing’. Anyone got a pool on the final bill for this effort?

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    1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

      we owe $17 trillion ……at this point WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? ;-(

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      1. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

        Hey infa… you sound like someone I know named Killary Cankles Clinton

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        1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

          don’t ask me any questions, I hit my head, I think I have an immaculate concussion.. i ain’t no nothing about no 4 dead men. I need a drink…..

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        2. DennisRL November 20, 2013

          and also see above.

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        3. DennisRL November 20, 2013

          he bozo, see my response above. You’ve been tasked to give us the republican healthcare fix. I know you wouldn’t come on this site and criticize the ACA if you didn’t already have a good replacement idea for it. So go ahead we’ll be waiting.

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        4. Ed November 20, 2013

          Fern Woodcock, a flaming faggot and coward maggot who fancies himself (herself?) to be a “nurse” and who nowadays only posts on the Facebook section above because he (she?) is afraid of me, posted the following (go check for yourselves !):

          “It Would Be Soooooo Great If And When The GOP/Tea Party Would Start Doing Some Damn Work , Stop Lying With Their Looking For The Boogie Men Cause They Not Fooling Nobody But Themselves Cause We The Smart, Woke And Educated People Of American Know Damn Well THEY ARE THE BOOGIE
          MEN!!!!!!
          Now, THIS is pure, unadulterated chimpanzee writing and “reasoning”; this guy (girl?) is the laughingstock of his fellow morons, the one they wish would just go away, …. but he (she?) doesn’t get it ….

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            Hey! It’s Mr. Ed, the incredible talking horse-ass!

            Mr. Ed, you REALLY need to purchase some breath mints I’ve heard of assholes talking shit, but you take it much too far.

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          2. Edsanjuan November 21, 2013

            Whut: You, Obama unconditional gopher-slave, it’s pretty ironic what you call me considering that YOU, my friend, are the UN-talking cockroach-vomit.
            Talked to the REAL Mr. Ed the other day: turns out that his IQ is 2000% (that’s 20 times, Whut, I know you get confused with percentages) yours !! LOL !!!!
            P.S. – Whut, you little chicken-shit brained midget, I can run rings around you; you’ll NEVER be a match for me.
            Now go complain to your mommy (when she gets out of jail) about me …

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Wow — 2,000%, eh? Of what? Perhaps you should borrow a few IQ points so that you can successfully construct a complete sentence.

            When I want your lying and bigoted opinions on Obama or anything else, I’ll come beat it out of you. Got it?

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          4. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            Actually that’s one of ferns more coherent posts and where s all the vulgar language she usually spits out like a lidless popcorn machine? I wondered why she only posted on Facebook recently. Nurse? Hahahaha! Sure — she would be as good at nursing as obozo is at being president

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          5. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Fern slapped your redneck bigot ass around again, eh? Well, let that be a lesson to you: Uppity redneck bigots WILL be slapped around when they forget their manners — those are the rules.

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          6. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            hey Fern, if anyone is doing the slapping it’s me b**** slapping you. Keep on race hustling little she/man . The rules are you sit and stew in your own racist juices until i come back now and then to straighten you out..Laters Fern………..;-)

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          7. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Now we all know that Fern would have her way with a little punk like you — who are you trying to fool? You just be a good little bigot or Fern will have to whup up on you just like Obama did.

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          8. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            need a kleenex goob? sounds like you’re a little teary eyed and whiny. why? did you see obozo the clown president’s latest job approval numbers? ……..stew in your bigot juices for awhile,…bite a few poptarts into little animal shapes like sheeps and squirrels like they taught you at Acorn…………..Laters Ferny

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          9. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Oops — there you go with the sheep again! You redneck bigots just can’t help yourselves, can you?

            I see that Fern really worked you over. Is it my fault if Fern decides to bitch-slap you? Oh no, not at all! Even Fern knows why God put you whiny little redneck bigots on this Earth, and I’m sure that she also knows that slapping real people around just wouldn’t be right.

            It think you need to go hump Rush Limbaugh’s leg. That should restore some confidence and — who knows — maybe even get the sheep off of your fevered little mind for a bit.

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          10. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            shalom………..feel better soon Fern…….;-)

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          11. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

            Ed… you’ve hit the nail right on the head with that one. I realized long ago that Fern was the resident crackwhore of this sewer called ‘The Memo’ and gave her no credence following that realization. And yes, he/she/it is even a laughing stock as the fool of all fools around here.
            Have a nice evening!

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      2. DennisRL November 20, 2013

        see above.

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        1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

          Think about me much Dennis? I know the rent is free but I’ll pass on living in your skull full of obozo mush

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          1. DennisRL November 21, 2013

            I thought as much. Nothing, nada, zip, nill. Come on, I want some positive ideas. I’m not spouting left wing stuff or touting Obama. I just want to hear your right wing ideas for healthcare. Gee, you would think you would welcome this opportunity to fill this site with your brilliance and enlighten us
            with your knowledge so we can see where we’re going wrong.

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      3. DennisRL November 20, 2013

        hey infad… I just wanted to give you a heads up to check my response to montanabill above so that you can consult about the fixes you and the republicans have for healthcare so that you can report back. I wait with baited breath for your response.

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        1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

          See above I have read your posts – I am not a democrat therefore I am not stupid enough to believe you actually want to hear about any fixes someone who disagrees with Obama had Nice try though

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          1. DennisRL November 21, 2013

            Oh but you’re wrong. I don’t think Obama has done a good job at all with the ACA. But at least he’s trying. So if you’ve got something better, I would love to hear about it. I know you wouldn’t come on here and complain about the ACA if you didn’t, right? My desire is to have the best healthcare for all at the cheapest cost possible. So I would love to hear anyone with a better idea. No matter where it comes from. So come on. Let’s hear it.

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    2. DennisRL November 20, 2013

      Hey look at this. We’ve got a whole gaggle of right wing dufusses in one spot.
      bill, infad.., and obozo. Wow so much right wing brain power in one place at the same time. We’re lucky our heads don’t explode. You guys can go on and on all you want about Obama etc. but until you’re interested in being serious no one is going to take you seriously instead of taking you for what you really are…a bunch of right wing clowns.

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      1. montanabill November 20, 2013

        Vacuums rarely explode.

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        1. DennisRL November 20, 2013

          your right. My head is empty. I’m such a stupid. But you smart righties are feverishly working on coming up with the new healthcare bill to replace the ACA. I know the republicans are keeping it under raps and thats why we haven’t heard anything yet. But I’m sure any day now they will be trumpeting their new initiative to save the day. That’s it. You wanted the ACA to come out first so that once it had problems, you could come out with yours and show how much better it would be. Gee, I apologize for ever doubting the republican parties motives. I’m sure they had the nations interest at heart the whole time. You want to give us dumb democrats a sneak peek at how it’s going to fix our healthcare system. You don’t have to tell us everything. Just the salient points will do. And if you want to confer with obozo and infad, go right ahead. I’m sure they have a lot of really good ideas on how to fix healthcare. Take all the time you need.

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          1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            You geniuses can clean this mess up yourselves The petulant president wants no input from republicans. You dont either, you’re just asking us for our solutions so you can bash them You’ll have to direct your anger somewhere else. I would be mad too if i allowed myself to be hornswaggled not once but twice by a Lying snakeoil salesman Everything obozo touches turns into brown stuff He has no one to blame for this except himself and his party Epic fail

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          2. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            That’s you President, boy. Just because he’s black and better than you in every conceivable way is no reason to be a sour puss.

            Mind your manners or we’ll have to send Eric out to your trailer park to slap some sense into you.

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          3. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            Yawn! Blah blah blah Eric. Blah blah trailer park blah blah Teleprompter Jesus is half black blah blah blah You aren’t a very intelligent person are you? You post the same boring crap every time. Try to keep up. You just puke out the same thing because you have no defence for obozos utter incompetence He is done. Stick a fork in his presidency. Epic fail. You’ll have to deal with it He’ll fumble and bumble along for 3 more years and hopefully he doesn’t do any more damage to the country then he already has. Then conservatives will clean up his mess. The least you could do is clean the drool off your chin

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          4. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            The conservatives SHOULD clean up the mess because that’s where the economic catastrophe came from, as usual. In the last 30+ years, EVERY Republican President grew federal spending faster than EVERY Democratic one, and that’s a fact.

            In case you haven’t heard the news, Obama won the Presidency twice. He will finish his term despite his blackness and your racism, so you’ll just have to behave yourself, boy.

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          5. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            despite his blackness? try reading your post before you hit “reply”. try yoga or some calming breathing exercises before you answer. ok? Now listen Fern, obozo will be here for 3 more years, but the good news is I will be here long after that to bring you the truth and sunshine report….. I know!! you’re welcome Fern.’-)

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          6. montanabill November 21, 2013

            I’d try, but it would be too hard to get through the bricks. Oh wait! If you can find some non-partisan press, you’ll find information on everything proposed, which was substantial. But you have to be able to read.

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          7. DennisRL November 21, 2013

            I thought so. you got nothing. nada, zip. You know, what really bugs me about people like you and your other two buddies on the right is that it isn’t that you’re right wingers No,
            it’s that people like you are a drag on our society. You’ve got nothing positive to ever say about anything or any ideas that will improve things. No, you just like to sit back and complain and make fun of what you don’t like. Obama may not be the best president and the democrats may not have their act together but at least they care about people. That is something that you can not say about the republicans. For all their boasting about being the party of religion, they wouldn’t know anything Christ like if it hit them between the eyes. Your the worst kind of cancer on our society because you just want to sit on the sidelines and see other people who are really trying to make a difference fail.
            Oh yes, bill,one more thing. Your comment about non-partisan press is a real joke. Boy, have you seen how the “liberal” press has really tried to defend Obama on the ACA.
            Get real. CNN, CBS and NBC have went after him just as hard as fox. So don’t give me that crap. That’s always been a myth in the right wing bubble that the press was this liberal bastion of propaganda when all along it’s been about sensationalism and making money and the only way to do that was to treat every political event like a sporting event.
            They don’t care who comes out on top as long as it creates controversy in the news.

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          8. montanabill November 21, 2013

            If you and Democrats, in general, really cared about people, you would be personally involved in helping…donating your own time and money. Instead, you think that by encouraging government to be your charity in absentia, you can feel good about yourself. The reality is that having government be the big momma, hurts all of us, including those portended to be the helped. Those in government are not altruistic. 99%, if not 100%, are in it for themselves. Sure, they mouth platitudes and do an occasional photo appearance, but spend a little of your time in Washington or your state capital, and you should discover very quickly where their true sentiments lie and who they are really taking care of.
            As far as the news goes, only one network has been making people aware of the potential and real problems with Obamacare from before it was enacted. And it was not CNN, CBS, NBC (or its dwarfs) or ABC. The instant there is even a hint of possible good news or something that can be twisted to look like good news, those networks will be right back on bandwagon. Unless they think they have been burned enough.

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          9. DennisRL November 21, 2013

            Boy you talk about an ignorant and totally untrue statement. This may be your best yet. I do give my time and money and of all the people who I know, both democrats and republicans, they only ones I know of who give of themselves are democrats. The republicans are too busy being judgemental and condemning of those who need help. They think it’s just a matter of not being lazy. That’s how they justify their attitude for not being Christian. Christ said to help the poor and less fortunate not to help the poor and less fortunate but only if you determine first that they’re not lazy. This goes to the heart of the difference between you and me and for that matter democrats and the far right. I don’t go looking for excuses to not help the needy to justify ignoring them. This fits right in with the health care problem and not wanting to help those that need it. It’s so easy to just blame them because they’re lazy or are not trying hard enough and so that makes it easy to keep your conscience clear. What a sad way to live. You will have a good time some day when you have to stand before God and explain yourself. ‘oh, I didn’t want to help anyone because well…it’s the government’s fault for trying to give them free stuff.’ Or ‘Obama was president and he was trying to give these freeloaders health insurance and I had to stop that’…..’right?’ ‘Isn’t that what you wanted me to do God? Isn’t it?’ Good luck.

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          10. montanabill November 21, 2013

            Do a little more research. You are so off base, no rational response is possible.

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          11. DennisRL November 21, 2013

            One more thing. Your thinking about the media is laughable. You think the crappy reporting by the media on the ACA is the first? What about the supposed ‘IRS scandal’ with the IRS targeting right wing organizations. Well, there were a large number of left wing organizations also targeted and the only organization denied tax exemption was a liberal organization. But did you hear that on any of the mainstream media outlets? NO. And then there’s the Benghazi ‘reporting’ on CBS’s 60 minutes with no appropriate retraction or investigation by CBS. The mainstream media is so afraid of being called liberal by the right, they can no longer do any honest reporting. But it’s very convenient for the right that when they hear something they don’t like on any regular media outlets, they can just blame it on that damn “liberal media”. And the right has been fed this garbage for years. It started with Rush Limbaugh with his attacks on the media and it’s just become part of the right’s lore.

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          12. montanabill November 21, 2013

            Bought the IRS and Benghazi kool-aid, did you? The truth about Benghazi is trickling out and it is damning to the administration, especially Hil. You must surely know or suspect that we were all being fed a load by the administration, purely for re-election purposes. Suggestion: Limbaugh might do a lot of things for ratings, but he is also extremely accurate. You would do well to pay attention.

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          13. ObozoMustGo November 22, 2013

            Re: Benghazi…. there’s a reason they call her “Killary” in inside circles…. just sayin

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          14. montanabill November 21, 2013

            A drag on society? Here’s a clue for you. I have created enough wealth that I will pay more in taxes in a year than you will earn in a lifetime. And that is starting from extreme poverty. I have created a large number of millionaires and a much larger upper middle class group. Those people also pay significant taxes. I will also donate more to charity than you will earn in your lifetime, so once you get off the government dole and start contributing to our society, then make your pithy comments. And why can I say those things with confidence? Because your comments give you away.

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          15. DennisRL November 22, 2013

            Bill, Bill, Bill, boy oh boy oh boy. You’re not a drag on our society financially. You’re a drag on our society because of your idiotic ideas. People like you prevent our society from growing and expanding and becoming more than we are. I couldn’t care less about how many zillions of dollars you’ve supposedly made. You somehow think that makes you special and you can look down on those less fortunate than you? I really doubt that you’ve given all this money to charity that you say you have because if you had, you wouldn’t have this bitter attitude towards those less fortunate. People that give away a lot of money have an altruistic view of society which you definitely don’t have.

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          16. montanabill November 22, 2013

            I don’t look down on anyone since I started life at the bottom of the ladder. But I do have disdain for those can be more accurately described as ‘grasshoppers’ and not ‘ants’, since they chose not to use the advantages and liberties this country affords them and, instead, expect the nanny state using someone else’s efforts to cover for them. And since you are an enabler of that ‘grasshopper’ mentality, you are as guilty.

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          17. DennisRL November 22, 2013

            I’m getting tired of this verbal jousting so this will be my last statement on this. Let’s just say that you and I have very different views about what our society should be like. I basically believe in people and you don’t. You think that for the most part people who need our help are just lazy moochers who we enable. You see a welfare queen around every corner. I see the elderly, the handicapped and military veterans that all need help. These are people that are not capable of helping themselves.
            I believe that with all of it’s warts and problems, government is our only way to solve some problems, you don’t. you see it as this monolith that takes your money and doesn’t give back anything. I see it as the price you pay for being a giving and Christian society. I believe society can not move forward and progress with thinking like yours. I believe this country has found itself in this morass of paralysis since the far right tea baggers came along and until this dark period passes, we are not going to be able to move forward again as a country, This idea that all we have to do is stop spending and get rid of our debt and all of our problems will be solved is absolutely ludicrous. Spending and debt are a problem but they’re just two of the many problems. I shudder to think what would happen if these people ever got control of our government. We would enter a dark ages of this countries history.

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          18. montanabill November 22, 2013

            I agree this will be my last post. You and I do agree about believing in people. I believe people have the ability, capacity and the duty, to be as self-reliant as possible. The only thing that holds most people back is fear and self-doubt. This country was built by people who were self-reliant. Had the men and women who settled and built this country been wards of any government, very few would have ventured out to face the total unknown. Why take the chance when you could stay safe with a government that would see to your food, your health and your housing? Today, it is the people with pioneer blood who are the entrepreneurs. Those willing to leave a job with its guaranteed hours, paycheck and perks are the ones who take the chances and create the new industries and jobs and wealth of the country. Some will fail. I did several times before I learned lessons no school could teach me. But those who persevere create the wealth and vitality of the nation. They don’t look for government to bail them out or provide a safety net if they meet hard times. They simply get back up and try harder, exactly as the ‘greatest generation’ did and were the last to do it. When the majority of us quit trying harder, look for an easier way or simply expect government to take care of some or all of our needs, it will be a very, very short history for the U.S.A.

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          19. ObozoMustGo November 22, 2013

            The problem for the leftist freaks goes just a little beyond being able to read…. it’s really comprehension that’s the issue.

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        2. ObozoMustGo November 22, 2013

          you stole my response, Montana!!!! hehehehehe

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      2. infadelicious November 20, 2013

        No one gives a democrats patoot if you left wing clowns take them seriously. No one is taking obozo and his crap sammich ACA seriously. Incompetent doesn’t cover TelePrompter Jesus

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    3. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

      Hey — isn’t this the same industry wherein you cheat the taxpayers out of their money to line your own greedy pockets? Is this why you oppose the PPACA — because it will force you to quit cheating and actually work for a living?

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      1. montanabill November 21, 2013

        I don’t have to work anymore. Obama is printing so much money that all I have to do is capture a little of it.

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        1. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

          Hasn’t that been your occupation all along — cheating others out of their hard-earned money? Looks like you taught the entire state of Montana your tricks, because the rednecks there are some of the biggest free-loaders in the country.

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          1. montanabill November 21, 2013

            So investing is cheating others? You have a really weird sense of humor. Since I’m so good a cheating people out of their hard earned money, I can only hope a little of it was yours.

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          2. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Well, I must say that I’m not very surprised. I’m certain that — at the very least — you benefited from my tax dollars even though you obviously never appreciated all of the benefits that you greedily helped yourself to over the years.

            I’m curious though. What could be the underlying source of your raging jealousy of the indigent? Why do you fly into apoplectic fits of rage at the thought of destitute families feeding their hungry babies?

            Perhaps it’s a deep-seated insecurity and shame that originated in your childhood. I’m guessing that perhaps you grew up determined to cast off what you saw as the shameful stigma of indigence, fashioning an elaborate wall of apathy and denial to protect yourself. Perhaps you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the benefits you received from other Americans because doing so threatens your fragile self esteem, and your vulnerable ego won’t allow you to give credit to anyone who assisted you since doing so suggests that you aren’t at all exceptional. Am I close to the mark?

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          3. montanabill November 22, 2013

            You have this perpetual habit of creating a straw man to tear into that bears no relevance to the conversation, but allows you to have an easy target. Given our relative stations in life, it is clear you are deriving a much larger percentage of benefit from someone else’s tax dollars than I. But the discussion was about the creation of wealth, not about taxation.

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          4. WhutHeSaid November 22, 2013

            You seem to have an overbearing need to suggest that you are more successful/wealthy than other posters, even though you have no idea if such is really the case. You never miss the opportunity to make some remark that insinuates that you are more successful than whomever you are speaking with. Why the insecurity? Is this another manifestation of your apparent fear of poverty?

            Somewhere along the way you seem to have developed a belief that material wealth is the only measure of a person’s value, and an exaggerated fear of being poor. I don’t know what may have happened in your life to give you this outlook, but it appears that you were traumatized at some point into believing that for you to admit that you received any form of assistance identifies you as a worthless failure.

            Have you ever considered that this phobia may be unhealthy? An inflamed jealousy of the poor doesn’t help you in any way and simply adds a level of stress to your existence. The same holds true of your furious rage at Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. You seem to display revulsion at anyone who is wealthy but does not share your jealousy and anger towards the poor.

            Have you ever spoken with a professional about this phobia of yours? You really need to loosen up, dude.

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        2. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

          Keep on riding that Obozo asset bubble Montana, but be ready to jump off quick when it pops. The boys on Wall Street are having a glorious old time getting very wealthy right now. Too bad that moron whut, and a lot more like him/her/it, is so clueless that he/she/it doesn’t have a clue what’s coming down the pike at him.

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          1. montanabill November 21, 2013

            I try not to be greedy, so I tend to hedge a little. I take my profits when it looks time and reinvest as bumps occur. Been a terrific ride so far, but I do keep close stop loss triggers. Also buy some stuff that is in the dumpster because of Obama policies. For example, when common sense returns, look for coal to make a huge recovery.

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  10. Allan Richardson November 20, 2013

    What is the difference between Congressional Republicans and Obamacare?

    Obamacare can be fixed and will then work.

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    1. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

      It will be fixed when it is repealed. You’ll see. There’s a lot of DemonRATS who’s political careers are at stake and they’ll throw Obozo and his silly Obozodon’tcare law overboard to save their own butts! You’ll see.

      mmmwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!

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      1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

        Allan may need a picture to understand better. sometimes he’s not too swift….

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        1. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

          Good idea… I found a picture of Obozodon’tcare’s new logo…

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          1. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            Ya can’t buy eats like that with food stamps

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          2. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

            uhhhhhhh….. you don’t have to buy them if you’re one of Obozo’s chosen mendicants… someone else pays for you!!!! just sayin

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          3. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

            You mean just plagiarizing?

            Fess up! Admit to the posters here that you’ve been caught plagiarizing AND lying about it!

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          4. infadelicious November 20, 2013

            Speaking of insane mendicants you should have known putting a pic of a steaming crap sammich would get whathesaid ‘s mouth watering . Funny how that works. Guess you have a stalker It’s creepy the way he follows you

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          5. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Stop trying to act like we don’t know it’s Obozo posting under another moniker. Don’t you think plagiarizing and lying is enough dishonesty? You really need to find somebody who can teach you to wash yourself — it’s just uncouth.

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          6. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            hahaha! that’s rich. an uneducated freeloader talking about uncouth. You want some truth? obozo is going down, and that is not a reggie love joke. His jig is up. We the people have had enough of his bumbling buffoonery.Now run along like a good little obozo hand puppet

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          7. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Obama isn’t going anywhere. He kicked your bigot ass — twice — and he’s your leader for the next 3 years. Nobody cares if you don’t like it.

            You redneck goobers need to stay in your trailer parks. Real people are tired of you toothless wonders scampering about and scaring the livestock with your foolish antics. The world is in the process of stamping your kind out, but until we finish the job please keep your sister-humping and chicken-molesting out of sight.

            Thank you.

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          8. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            hey there goob! how’s it going Fern? obozo will be gone in 3 years, but i’ll still be here to straighten your toothless sorry bigoted butt out. i know! you are welcome Fern.

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          9. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Don’t worry — Obama will have plenty of opportunities to kick your ass again during the next three years. Naturally you aren’t happy about getting your little pansy ass whupped by a black man, but that’s just your future — so get used to it, boy.

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          10. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            here ya go Fern,…. or can I call you Goob?

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          11. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            You know, it’s pretty obvious that you don’t work for a living. Is your entire trailer park slurping up public benefits? Well, the very least you could do is put a little effort into personal hygiene. What do you rednecks have against soap anyway?

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          12. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            speaking of washing, isn’t it time for for you to give your blow up doll a sponge bath Fern? isn’t that what nurses do?

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          13. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            I think that you should ask Fern for some instructions on the proper washing of your vagina. She IS a nurse, you know, and you could use the help. Just sayin’.

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          14. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            What’s the matter little man? Did I hit a nerve? Haha. Lightweight ! Your brain is empty and you can’t think of anything . You’re pathetic. Fern you are not even worth a down vote. :-). So sad Shalom

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          15. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

            Of course his mouth was watering.. one piece of sheet is always attracted to another piece of sheet….just sayin

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          16. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            Just so ya know WhutHeSaid is actually Fern the she man nurse. Too creepy eh? The Cross dressing knuckle dragging shaved ape of the Memo

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      2. Allan Richardson November 20, 2013

        While YOU would throw overboard the millions who have NEVER been able to get health insurance from ANYONE because of their pre-existing conditions, of whom 45,000 actually, literally (not metaphorically) DIE every year when they could have been saved. Does human life, other than your own, mean anything to you? Or are you paid by the funeral industry which will be hard hit by layoffs as a result?

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      3. obibecker November 20, 2013

        First of all, you ARE wrong on your name. The president won re election. Now you are pretending that the Senate will vote to repeal health care for 30 million poor. AS IF. You are so delusional.

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      4. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

        LYING PLAGIARIST!!!

        You need to fess up for plagiarizing other peoples work and then lying about it.

        Oh yes, Obama is STILL your leader and STILL black, you lying plagiarist.

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        1. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

          what’s up whut, you racist bigot?

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          1. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            Your gig is up. Admit that you were caught plagiarizing and then lying about it. An apology to the other posters here for your deceit is optional but recommended.

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          2. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

            what’s up whut, you racist bigot?

            “Your gig is up. Admit that you were caught plagiarizing and then lying about it. An apology to the other posters here for your deceit is optional but recommended.” – ObozoMustGo

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          3. infadelicious November 21, 2013

            Quit plagiarizing my comments. I told you that Girlyman in the whitehouse’s gig was up. You got a bag full of nothing so she steal my comments ! Apologize to the posters you thief. It’s time for bubbas sponge bath nurse fern Get to it!phew! For the love of Pete give yourself one too

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          4. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

            You’re in love with Pete? Pete who?

            Fess up Obozo/Infidel — you got B U S T E D !!!

            Plagiarizing, lying, redneck bigot loser.

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  11. ObozoMustGo November 20, 2013

    The website is just the wrapper being placed around a sheet sandwich. No matter how pretty the wrapper, it’s still a sheet sandwich. NOTHING will change that. The whole thing will NEVER work. It is a pipe dream…. a fantasy that somehow the “masterminds” in Obozo’s regime will somehow know how to take over and manage the entire healthcare industry and 1/6th of the US economy. They have not even completed a single one, NOT ONE, end to end transaction with someone signing up successfully, paying their premium, getting an illness, going to the doctor, being treated successfully, and the doctor filing the paperwork in the system, the insurance company getting it and a complete reimburesement with proper records being completed. And according to the testimony of Henry Chao, they don’t even have 70% of the entire process and back end system designed and in progress for being built. This is gross incompetence on a scale so shocking that it boggles the mind of any thinking person that anyone would think they could run healthcare when they cannot even make a website in 3+ years. How stupid can you people be to believe that the website is the only problem? Gene Lyons knows he’s lying to you people, yet you still believe it. He thinks you’re morons every bit as much as I know you’re morons. He’s just a useful idiot for Obozo’s propaganda that is using all of you lower level useful idiots to spread the propaganda lies until most useful idiots believe them. Too bad. We know the truth. America knows the truth. And the DemonRATS will take a blood bath beating at the polls in November 2014 because of it. Like they should.

    Have a nice day!

    “If you like your health plan, you can keep it. PERIOD!!!” — Barack WhoIsInsane Obozo repeatedly LYING when he knew the truth was the opposite. A lot of other DemonRATS repeated the same lies.

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    1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

      Who did you PLAGIARIZE with this post, lying bigot?

      Admit it — you got BUSTED!

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      1. ObozoMustGo November 21, 2013

        what’s up whut you racist bigot?
        Here’s some lunch for you, courtesy of Obozo… it’s Obozodon’tcare

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        1. WhutHeSaid November 21, 2013

          Did you write that yourself, you lying plagiarist?

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  12. infadelicious November 20, 2013

    he knew it alrighty…….

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  13. middleclasstaxpayer November 20, 2013

    Only ONE problem….there were initial concerns with the SECURITY of the personal data entered in the ACA website, and that it could be accessed by IDENTITY THIEVES. But the administration ASSURED us all that security was tight & we should have NO concerns about identity theft. Now, Congressional investigators at a hearing yesterday discovered hidden wording in the disclaimer each ACA website user agrees to that states, in effect: “Users have NO REASONABLY EXPECTATION of security of information entered here.” Although EVERY person accessing the ACA website is REQUIRED to AGREE to this lack of security, the words were HIDDEN FROM VIEW in a long list of other rules & regulations. Translation: We Were LIED TO AGAIN by administration officials, and this time EVERYONE in the administration KNEW THEY WERE LYING, and did it anyway. WHEN are the lies going to stop?????

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  14. docb November 20, 2013

    The woman in the Kocked up Bros anti Obamacare ad pretending to be from Alaska is a FRAUD…She is a paid faux christian actress…Her website needs to be crashed along with the baggers that perpetrate these scams!

    http://conniebowman.com/contact.php-

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  15. mandinka November 20, 2013

    Hardly the facts that 10’s of thousands of doctors are no longer being paid, and the red ink won’t stop. This mess will only get worse not better

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    1. WhutHeSaid November 20, 2013

      Well, if what you say is really true, why — we may have to send Eric down to your trailer to slap some sense into you. It’s God’s work, you know.

      And please learn to wash yourself, for the love of God!

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    2. Bryan Blake November 25, 2013

      If in fact “10’s of thousands of doctors are no longer being paid” just how in your twisted logic can that be the result of the ACA? The ACA has not even taken effect yet! And when it does it will be the same bloodsucking health insurance companies that add about 20-30% to the cost of medical care paying the bills. Your post is without basis in fact. Of course that is always the nature of the conservative anti-Obama mantra!

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  16. plc97477 November 21, 2013

    I would think the right would be careful comparing the ACA with republican disasters, it is just a reminder that they were REPUBLICAN disasters.

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  17. jnap November 21, 2013

    Do you remember Columbus? He had a crew of about 50% Democrats and 50% Republicans. The Republicans kept saying, go back, go back; we are going to fail, we will never get to the west Indies; why did we think would could do this; and all of my friends that never left home said we would be lost forever.
    Of course the Democrats had to fight them tooth and nail to keep going while the Republicans tried 40 times to turn the boats around but Columbus said we are not going back because there is nothing back there that is worth having and if we stop we will have accomplished nothing. We will go forward and we will succeed.
    Do you think he was right?

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  18. George Allegro November 21, 2013

    While certain successes, such as penicillin’s discovery, may be accidental and thus have little merit, many useless failures have been undertaken with great merit.

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  19. Igor Shafarevich November 24, 2013

    It’s important to recognize the dangers to liberty arising from collectivists who seize upon temporary crises and fleeting problems as excuses to further centralize government power.

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  20. Defend The Constitution November 25, 2013

    Although private property may appear to be a source of certain people being empowered against others, we should remember that some people were empowered against others long before private property was recognized.

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