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GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb

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GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb

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A recent road trip took me into the precincts of rural Georgia and Florida, far away from the traffic jams, boutique coffeehouses and National Public Radio signals that frame my familiar landscape. Along the way, billboards reminded me that I was outside my natural habitat: anti-abortion declarations appeared every 40 or 50 miles.

“Pregnant? Your baby’s heart is already beating!” “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. — God.” And, with a photo of an adorable smiling baby, “My heart beat 18 days from conception.”

The slogans suggest a stirring compassion for women struggling with an unplanned pregnancy and a deep-seated moral aversion to pregnancy termination. But the morality and compassion have remarkably short attention spans, losing interest in those children once they are outside the womb.

These same stretches of Georgia and Florida, like conservative landscapes all over the country that want to roll back reproductive freedoms, are thick with voters who fight the social safety net that would assist children from less-affluent homes. Head Start, Medicaid and even food stamps are unpopular with those voters.

Through more than 25 years of writing about Roe vs. Wade and the politics that it spawned, I’ve never been able to wrap my head around the huge gap between anti-abortionists’ supposed devotion to fetuses and their animosity toward poor children once they are born. (Catholic theology at least embraces a “whole-life” ethic that works against both abortion and poverty, but Catholic bishops have seemed more upset lately about contraceptives than about the poor.) While many conservative voters explain their anti-abortion views as Bible-based, their Bibles seem to have edited out Jesus’ charity toward the less fortunate.

That brain-busting cognitive dissonance is also on full display in Washington, where just last week the GOP-dominated House of Representatives passed a bill that would outlaw all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. After the bill was amended to make exceptions for a woman’s health or rape — if the victim reports the assault within 48 hours — U.S. Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) withdrew his support. The exceptions made the bill too liberal for his politics.

Meanwhile, this same Republican Congress has insisted on cutting one of the nation’s premier food-assistance programs: the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps. GOP hardliners amended the farm bill wending its way through the legislative process to cut $2 billion from food stamps because, they believe, it now feeds too many people. Subsidies to big-farming operations, meanwhile, remained largely intact.

Cynthia Tucker Haynes

Cynthia Tucker Haynes, a veteran newspaper journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner, is a Visiting Professor of Journalism and Charlayne Hunter-Gault Distinguished Writer-in-Residence at the University of Georgia. She is also a highly-regarded commentator on TV and radio news shows.

Haynes was editorial page editor of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper for 17 years, where she led the development of opinion policy. More recently, she was that newspaper’s Washington-based political columnist. She maintains a syndicated column through Universal Press Syndicate, which is published in dozens of newspapers around the country. Besides winning the Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2007, Haynes has also received numerous other awards, including Journalist of the Year from the National Association of Black Journalists.

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  1. Robert P. Robertson June 22, 2013

    Legislating morality has been a mantra of the Republicunt far-right for a long time. Since the neo-Confederate Tea Bag invasion of the Republicunt party, its a way of life. Their wacky, space-cadet analogies of conception and pregnancy gets weirder by the day. Just as the article said, as soon as women start to give birth and seek aide for the child, they turn on the woman and the child like a cobra, deny aide, cut programs that would provide aide, and then castigate women for having “so many” children. It’s an hypocrisy born in hell. . . They are not the ones who go through the uncertainty of a single mother, but they are the ones who are obstructing jobs and the ability of parents to provide for their children. They are not the ones whose daughters go through a horrific rape where a child is conceived and have to live through the constant memory of that inhumanity. . . Besides that reality, a woman’s body is her own, and it is her right to decide what she does with it. Considering the historical immorality of Republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bags, they should practice what they preach.

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    1. Independent1 June 22, 2013

      GOP legislators only know one thing – how to pander to whomever it is that will donate money to keep them in office. Therefore, they PRETEND to care about abortion and women’s reproductive rights, in order to win the votes of PRETEND Christians – who are really followers of a beliefs that are more akin to that of the Devil than of Jesus. They champion legislation that punishes women and children once they’re born, to pander to voters like the teabaggers who’s misguidedly believe austerity if the solution to everything, in order to win their votes too. And they vote for every piece of legislation that supports subsidies to Big Oil, Agri-business, Big Pharma and any other big voting block, just to win their votes. But note that they refuse to support legislation like Obama’s jobs bill, because the majority of the jobs the bill would create in
      modernizing schools, fixing the nations roads and bridges, fixing government buildings, etc., would generally be done by small local contracts with no guarantee they would donate to GOP candidates’ election campaigns. What-ever the GOP does, it’s all about MONEY, which adds to the proof that the GOP is America’s largest anti-Christian organization.

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      1. Fern Woodfork June 22, 2013

        They Are The American Taliban They Are Out To Make As Much Money As They Can Even If They Have To Destroy Our Country ,Stave, Kill Off Or Sell Out As Many American Who They Think Is In Their Way Of Getting What They Want!! Which Is Power, Control And Mainly MONEY!!!! 🙁

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      2. Robert P. Robertson June 22, 2013

        You’re 100% right, as always, my friend.

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        1. Mimihaha June 23, 2013

          Why do you hate women? I mean, come on. The worst thing you can think of to call those people is a disgusting word used to describe part of the female anatomy.

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          1. kanawah June 23, 2013

            Mimihaha, what are you talking about. Please identify the post you are responding to.

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    2. Fern Woodfork June 22, 2013

      Amen I Say It’s Time For Them To Be Voted OUT OF OFFICES!!!!

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      1. Robert P. Robertson June 22, 2013

        2014 is just around the corner. I can’t wait to hit the streets!

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        1. Fern Woodfork June 23, 2013

          Count Me In My Friend!! 🙂

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    3. mike June 22, 2013

      Horse manure again!! Obstructing jobs-Baloney. Massive regulations(4000 in pipeline), Obamacare, EPA high energy costs forced on business and home by the closing of plants, highest corporate taxes, are just some of the reasons for the lack of jobs and growth. Dems solution more govt. spending, greater debt. Not much of a solution short or long term.

      Yes the women’s body is her own and she should have the right to decide, but no on my dime. Late term should be stopped only for medical reasons. Not on a whim. Kermit Gosnell ring a bell.

      DOJ underreporting figures, average implied annual figures from 2005-2010
      93k rapes reported(FBI)
      265k total rapes reported or unreported(using DOJ figures)
      6600 abortions in cases of rape(Holmes et al. figures)
      1,218,000 abortions(AGI)
      0.54% of abortion in cases of rapes

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      1. Robert P. Robertson June 22, 2013

        “Not on my dime!”? . . Who gives a damn about your dime? You just proved my point, ass wipe.

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      2. docb June 22, 2013

        The Gosnells of the World are created by these draconian repub bagger laws and legislators…A wire coat hanger for you, mike!

        Lie to yourself with fake right wing talking points..It does not sell to people with a brain! Repubs are NOT PRO LIFE..they are ANTI -CHOICE…for power over women..Sharia style BS!

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        1. idamag June 22, 2013

          If they were pro-life they wouldn’t be so bent on starting wars all over the world.

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          1. docb June 22, 2013

            Or so gungho on the death penalty or a gun in every pot with no checks or or or or.!
            True that, Ida!

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          2. mike June 22, 2013

            Looks like you are one of those “turn the other cheek” guys.
            Good luck with that.

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          3. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            I know what cheek I would turn for you, dirtbag. Don’t like the insult. Stop being insulting.

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        2. mike June 22, 2013

          I see you are incapable of looking up the numbers.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            The problem is not necessarily in the numbers themselves, but in how you, and your ilk view those numbers. Everything is about your personal wants. Everything is skewed to fit. Those that have been made victims, have made mistakes, or have just had bad luck are on their own. AND I am being not only kind, but brief. You just don’t want to be bothered with right and wrong, ethical and unethical. With your kind everything is either about control (I call that a Bully) or about money (I call that a greedy bastard).

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          2. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            Could also be a greedy bastard bully.

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          3. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            Thanks, I left that out.

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          4. mike June 23, 2013

            Yawning!!! The numbers are there.

            I personally want people to take responsibility for their actions and know the consequences of their actions. You don’t!!!

            Something left just blows off.

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          5. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            So humanity is just a set of numbers to you. Especially, when they are “cherry picked” to get the answer you want. That is the thought pattern of a sociopath. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you to get help, because there is not any. You are damaged, permanently.

            I never said one word about not taking responsibility. Not one. Never, never have. What ALL of us are saying in one form or another is this: The nation will fail if we allow large numbers of our citizens to live in misery. As well, it is not a decent thing to do in the richest nation (and still by far) that has ever existed.

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          6. mike June 24, 2013

            i never said you didn’t take responsibility but most don’t they have learned from the left that the govt will take care of them cradle to grave. Remember Julia???

            Misery now that is funny! So they don’t have TV’s, cars, housing, etc..

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          7. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Many certainly do, but a TV is pretty much universal in this nation. Often for the worse, but there it is. As for housing and presumably such options as food, what really is wrong with your psyche? You are a sociopath, as I have repeatedly said. I notice you never reply to that one. To LAZY to look it up or fearful that you will see your picture next to the definition.

            As for “cradle to grave,” prove that is has a theoretical chance of being true. Some do milk the system, but the majority of people on SNAP, for instance, work. And on all assistance programs, most are either disabled or are unable to find useful work, or are children. Children now, not fetuses, those little critters that scamper around on their own and that you hate so much.

            Which brings up the question again? Do you know what the topic of the discussion was? You have been off of it since a couple of posts after you arrived.

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          8. mike June 24, 2013

            Far from a sociopath, only in your warped mind. Actually, I don’t think you know what the word means, but more importantly you sure don’t know me and my life.

            Obama used “Life of Julia” during the campaign which pretty much tells what Obama policies are/will be, go watch the cartoon/slide show, since it is a cartoon character you will be able to relate.

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          9. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            That is a spoof moron, used to fight a losing election campaign. You do realize that you lost, don’t you. I declined to watch any of your distorted, right-wing entertainment. I look for facts and truth, and make my decisions on that. You just want to see things that support your bias.

            Are you not smart enough to figure these things out. Why would anyone with any sense want me to look at propaganda aimed at giving you your perverted jollies, when you know I do not find untruth to be funny.

            And a prime sign of a sociopath is a lack of empathy. You seem to fit well, so I do not need a psych exam to tell me exactly how severe your case is.

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          10. mike June 24, 2013

            OMG!!! that is a spoof. You are delusional. CNN, Washington Post, New Yorker, USNews, all didn’t think so All were concerned about the message it was sending. Talked about being full of s**t you are it.

            I have lots of empathy, when it is warranted. Again, you have no earthly idea who I am and what I have accomplished, nor the activities I am involved in.

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          11. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            As I said, you have been had. Your damaged psyche tripped you up. And no, you have no empathy, unless it is for a car or boat or easy sex, or something else, which of course you cannot actually demonstrate empathy for. Empathy is not something you carry around in your wallet when you hope to get lucky. Empathy for you is just a word you have heard used. You probably still do not know the meaning, but I bet you will look it up before your next bit of baloney.

            I doubt if anyone here care who you are. We know too much about you already and any accomplishments you have are probably to the detriment of your fellow man. I pale at the thought of the activities you are engaged in.

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          12. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            And Mike, it is impossible to discuss anything with closed, evil minds that are filled with hate and only come to a group to spread dissension and irritation. Spin it any way you like, everyone here, including you, knows exactly what I mean.

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          13. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Multi post alert . . . multi post alert . . . multi post alert

            I will give you a more practical reason. At least one you should
            understand, but will try not to. If we continue on the path we are heading, eventually that 47% Romney spoke about will be 80%. Then they will take the country away from freaks like you and do away with you. Boasting and making threats will not change fact. We can discuss this forever, but the facts are all around you. Caring for others is not only truly Christian, it is patriotic as well as it will build a stronger nation. All you want is to look down on people, especially people that are different. THAT is the definiton of racism and bigotry. So wail your spoon-fed slogans about the “race card” if you want, but you will still be one. The truth is what is important to me, not your stupid, unoriginal slogans fed to you by the right-wing oracles you worship.

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          14. mike June 24, 2013

            Don’t even try to put words in my mouth.

            I would love to know what threats I have made.

            The rest of the post is pure diarrhea of the brain. Pathetic and untrue.

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          15. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            I will not try to put words in your mouth. There is already to much garbage in there and no room for truth.

            I think you have, but I did not mention it in the post you are replying to.

            Well, truth is, well TRUE. You cannot have the world you want without paying for it some way. We faced the same situation during the Depression and also during Teddy Roosevelt’s term. Both of the Roosevelt’s saved your corrupt system from destruction. Look at how you have thanked them. Ignorance and arrogance work hand in hand and speak loudly, but it is the path of destruction.

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          16. mike June 24, 2013

            Life of Julia is a spoof-your words. You are a joke!!!!!

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          17. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Fits you to a “T.”

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.” Not “Life of Julia.”

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        3. mike June 22, 2013

          Nice try!!! I guess you are to lazy to look them up. Time for you to head back to your mancave.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            Actually, mancaves are generally where your supporters live. We generally have other interests.

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      3. Independent1 June 22, 2013

        Mike, if you think anyone here is going to believe those fake numbers you just made up (especially the .54% of abortions due to rape) you’re whistling at Dixie.
        And given that abortions have really not risen since Roe vs Wade, they’ve only been by-in-large performed by more qualified doctors, pushing to outlaw abortions is counterproductive – lt’s not going to drastically reduce abortions – anyone who thinks that making abortions illegal is going to necessarily convince a woman who does not want to carry a fetus to term to not have an abortion, is mentally retarded. Do you really think keeping POT illegal has drastically reduced the use of it? Did making booze illegal back in the 1920s keep people from drinking?? It’s only idiots like yourself that think outlawing abortions is going really reduce them that are actually going to accomplish the wrong thing – instead of drastically reducing abortions, outlawing abortions is going to drastically increase the incidence of women dying when they have to seek out quacks on the black market to perform an abortion in much less than safe circumstances!!!

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        1. mike June 22, 2013

          Fake numbers! I gave you the resources but you are unmotivated to see the truth.

          I never said outlawing abortions. So forget that crap.

          Late term abortions are an abomination. If you are for them you are the real killers in this world. Gallup/USA today, 64% are against abortions in 2nd three months of pregnancy.

          Gallup/USA today show 53 percent say they are pro choice but when asked 6 additional questions(life of mother, incest and rape, up to 3 months, up to 6 months, anytime, not at all, the pro life has a 49% to 41% edge.

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          1. AdoptivMom June 22, 2013

            Mike,

            Actually, I don’t think your numbers about rape & abortion are that far off. According to the statistics I was able to find, the % of all abortions to abortions following rape is 1.1% (total more like 17,676.) Also, I suspect your stats about how people feel about abortion based on length of pregnancy are fairly accurate.

            What I suspect you are not clear about is how rare a 3rd trimester abortion is, and why women typically have them. According to Fox News (the last place someone like me would go looking for abortion statistics, but I thought you might trust their numbers), there are approximately 100 3rd trimester abortions each year in the US, out of a typical 1.5 to 1.6 million total. Almost all of them are performed for the reason of extreme fetal anomaly. Often, parents refused to have the abortion during the second trimester in hopes that later testing would prove their babies deformities were not as severe as previously thought.

            I am staunchly pro-choice, but that does not mean I am pro-abortion. It means that I trust the vast majority of women, couples, and families, to be able to make their own moral and medical decisions without any input from me or the state or federal government. Having suffered with multiple miscarriages and infertility myself, I cannot imagine the pain that any of those 100 families go through making their decision not to go full term. But I believe it is for them to decide what they can handle best–a tough decision to abort late, or an also tough decision to go full term and watch their child die. Maybe I wouldn’t make the same decision, I don’t know, but life is not as black and white as some people would like to imagine. Sometimes all the options stink, and you have to go with the one that you feel you can best live with. And that decision is not always the same from person to person.

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          2. mike June 22, 2013

            Thanks for a responsible response. God Bless you for adopting, we also went through the long process for a brother and sister and it has been glorious. To me there are a lot of wonderful parents that would love to have a child that are now being destroyed.

            I am not against a women’s right to have an abortion.I never said that!!

            What makes me sick is this early killing of a life for capricious reasons. This study showed “not ready to have a baby” 48% which is fine.

            The reason I said anything was some post made it sound like the majority of abortions were rape and incest and the Right was trying to stop them from having an abortion. I thought they should know the facts.

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          3. neeceoooo June 22, 2013

            Thank you for your insightful thoughts.

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          4. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Mike, Gallup polls have been totally right-wing biased for decades – SO STOP QUOTING THEM IN THESE COMMENT THREADS!!! Posters here know Gallup will fudge the numbers any way the right-wing wants them to come out!! The last election proved that in spades – Gallup had Romney handily winning and that worked out well didn’t it??? So if you think I’m going to buy the numbers you’re posting from Gallup on abortions you’re sadly mistaken!!!!

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          5. mike June 23, 2013

            So is CNN, Right??? They had the same numbers.

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          6. Teresa P June 23, 2013

            Abortions done in the third trimester are rarely done. They are only done when the life of the mother is in danger or there are severe fetal abnormalities.

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          7. mike June 24, 2013

            Late term abortions are not just 3rd trimester. I never said that. Show me the numbers for 2nd three months.
            Mother should be protected or fetal problems.
            Gosnell would ignore age of fetus.

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          8. Teresa P June 24, 2013

            Late term abortions are 3rd trimester and I dont know what you mean by 2nd three months

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          9. mike June 24, 2013

            I am using the wording that was used in the study cited. I thought it was unusual, but God for bid if I use something other. So, you have 1st three months, 2nd three months, and 3rd three months.

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          10. Teresa P June 24, 2013

            Thats a 2nd trimester abortion. They are usually allowed up to 24 weeks. I dont have numbers on those but they are common. Alot of women dont know that they are pregnant until they are in their 2nd trimester. Some women are poor and by the time they get the money for the abortion they are in their 2nd trimester. There are problems with getting time off of work and if the woman has other children she has to get child care. Makes it harder to get the procedure especially in the state that are making it difficult to get abortions. Mike this really affects the poor women more.

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          11. mike June 24, 2013

            Yes, I knew the meaning.
            Again, not against the right to an abortion. I would love to see the numbers on women not knowing their pregnant after 5 months, I doubt few.

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          12. Teresa P June 24, 2013

            Found some articles. Not recent. Mostly teenagers who are unaware that they are pregnant and low income women.

            http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

            http://www.livescience.com/17529-trimester-abortions.html

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          13. mike June 24, 2013

            Thanks, some interesting results from Guttmacher.

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          14. Teresa P June 24, 2013

            Your welcome

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      4. Lorr June 22, 2013

        But you have no problem with your dime paying salaries of the worst Congress ever, or paying for two wars, or sending money to other countries to feed their poor.

        Lack of regulations or lack of enforcement lead to the manure plant explosion in Texas. You want your children and grandchildren breathing polluted air and drinking contaminated water:
        That trickle down economics you are so fond of got us into the 2007 mess and the unpaid tax breaks that we lived with for almost 10 years did not produce jobs. The so called job creators have not been producing jobs they are making the large profits and putting it in off shore accounts. Pass the American Jobs Act and than we would have jobs. Pay people decent wages with benefits and there would be less people needing assistance.
        What the Republicans are doing with abortion is going to create more Gosnells. Perhaps you are too young to remember the 50’s and the back street abortions done under unsanitary conditions and done by Gosnells and people who were not medically qualified.

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        1. Independent1 June 22, 2013

          Great points! I remember back before Roe vs Wade, with all the stories about women dying when abortions were done in a backstreet alley and the instrument of choice was sometimes a coat hanger. Why is it we remember these things but Republicans never seem to??

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          1. AdoptivMom June 22, 2013

            But wait, but wait! Well-heeled East Side wives in NYC when I was in college were referred by their fancy East Side doctors to very modern, safe abortions in Yugoslavia. There were rich-people programs for safe abortions. Only women who couldn’t spare several thousand dollars had tohave illegal abortions. Oh, and let’s not forget the “therapeutic D & C’s” that were performed at no charge as a professional courtesy
            in American hospitals if you were personal friends of a surgeon and your daughter was “in trouble.”

            Hey, Mike, you like statistics. Have you read “Freakonomics,” which documents the dramatic decline in violent crime rates in America as coinciding with the reduction in unwanted children born to poor families one generation following Roe v. Wade? You may find the economic connection morally offensive or troubling (gee, for your soul’s sake I hope so), but you are the one who said “not on my dime.” What about all those dimes you saved by not having to pay for extra policing and
            courts and prisons? Um, those were your dimes, too, right?

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          2. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            No profit motive!

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          3. vorten June 22, 2013

            I was raised Catholic and gave up on that religion as being too hypocritical. In mid life I started up in a Texan protestant jeebus church and without too much protest I took up most of the hypocritical nonsense culture war issues as my own. Then again a falling out and back to exploring on my own. I recognize but no longer hold the hypocritical anti-science stances taken by the far right. These beliefs are reenforced with twice weekly sermons that explain away science and reason as tools of Satan to wrest control of ‘your very soul’ from the faithful. Their family, newspapers and fellow workers all hold the same beliefs and if challenged a weak rebuttal offered with tons of belief in the ‘Living God’ eases swallowing the bitter hypocrisy as essential work for ‘God’s’ glory. In my estimation it is a complex pathology loaded with enablers and self righteousness. Few of us escape the chains of jeebus.

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          4. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            Your difference from those people is you used the mind God gave you to explore for truth. Their minds are seduced, and willingly, with the dope called “religion” that makes them susceptible to any outrageous satanic suggestion their masters can dream up. If God wanted us to refuse to use our minds to explore the world, he would have made us dung beetles.

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          5. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            I’m glad he didn’t.

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          6. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            But, I am not sure about “mike.”

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          7. neeceoooo June 22, 2013

            I like to think that I have escaped it.

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          8. demz taters June 22, 2013

            Even though I cringe to remember what a self-righteous prig I used to be, I count the several years I spent immersed in “born again” Christian culture the best education I could ever have. It’s invaluable to know just how these people think.

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          9. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            repugs are too selfish to care about others. If it hasn’t hurt them why should they care.

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          10. Independent1 June 22, 2013

            That’s the unfortunate part – that their totally misguided notions haven’t in fact hurt them; and that there are still so many equally misguided sheep that don’t know any better than to follow their misguided shepards to a life of ruination.

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          11. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            But statistics say that the membership of the republican’t party is dropping daily. More and more people are too ashamed to call themselves repugs.

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          12. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            They remember the 1950’s alright, it’s just that they think it was all “Leave it to Beaver” and “Hopalong Cassidy.” I am very serious when I say that I work for just such a man. He was even named for the actor playing Cassidy. He has also told me that it is his dream that we return to the 1950’s. Guess which party he votes for. . . . 🙂

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          13. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            You’re so right! Republicans CONVENIENTLY only remember those things that fit into their obstructionist agenda and which in one way or another end up with them being able to stuff more taxpayer dollars into THEIR pockets!!

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        2. mike June 22, 2013

          I never said I was happy with congress. How about Obama sending billions to Egypt.

          Ask any sharp small businessman what is holding him back and he will say cost of regulations, energy costs, Obamacare, That’s a fact.
          We are in World economy and if we can’t compete we are doomed. What you want is give employees anything they want and screw staying in business. It doesn’t work that way anymore.

          I never said, do away with abortions. There are better ways to finance than from the govt..

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          1. AdoptivMom June 22, 2013

            Mike, I’m repeating this part for you:

            Hey, Mike, you like statistics. Have you read “Freakonomics,” which documents the dramatic decline in violent crime rates in America as coinciding with the reduction in unwanted children born to poor families one generation following Roe v. Wade? You may find the economic connection morally offensive or troubling (gee, for your soul’s sake I hope so), but you are the one who said “not on my dime.” What about all those dimes you saved by not having to pay for extra policing and courts and prisons? Um, those were your dimes, too, right?

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          2. mike June 22, 2013

            Hi, again. Not on my dime is just about govt. paying. There are many foundations and charities and yes many individuals who can pay to keep the abortion organizations running. I am not one of them.

            ONE MORE TIME: I AM NOT AGAINST ABORTIONS.

            What ever happened to Responsibility and Consequences??? Time to bring them back.

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          3. 4sanity4all June 22, 2013

            Mike, the government does not pay for abortions.

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          4. Teresa P June 23, 2013

            The government doesnt pay for abortions. So you are not paying for them. Its called the Hyde Amendment.

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          5. mike June 23, 2013

            Abortions go up and so does fed. funding. 2700 babies placed for adoption, 300,000 abortions, 1.4 million emergency pregnancy kits used.

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          6. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            TROLL. Your lies have been repeatedly answered and debunked. Give it a rest.

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          7. kanawah June 23, 2013

            Mikie, you have a few screws loose.

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          8. mike June 24, 2013

            Not really! Look at the numbers. What is not discussed is the overcharges to fed. govt. to the tune of 25 million and they continue to be funded without questions.

            Too lazy to check the numbers aren’t you.

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          9. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            Maybe is upset that he has to pay to abort babies he has made.

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          10. Teresa P June 23, 2013

            He’s one of those men who don’t want to wear a condom and then blames the woman when she gets pregnant. He probably would run out on the woman he got pregnant and not even support the child

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          11. kanawah June 23, 2013

            Hyde Amendment is a real piece of crap.
            Abortion is a medical procedure, and all insurance, be it privet or government sponsored, should pay for it.

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          12. Teresa P June 23, 2013

            I agree with you. The Hyde Amendment needs to be taken away. It only affect poor women. They are the ones that need this the most. Basically the government is forcing poor women to have children.

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          13. AdoptivMom June 24, 2013

            I agree, not on my dime is about government paying. I was opposed to invasion of Iraq, but my dimes paid. I did everything I could to oppose Iraq. Took 8 years to get a new President, but by then he spent more dimes in Iraq than I can count. (PS, I did not shoot the President or anyone who supported Iraq, as some have righteously murdered abortion doctors.) (I know you are not one of them, but you’re standing on their side of the line.)

            If you are only against abortions starting 2nd trimester funded by government, are 2nd trimester insurance-funded abortions OK with you?

            What if baby was not government-funds aborted at 2nd trimester, and drug-addicted mother abandons addicted, deformed, AIDS-infected mixed-race baby at hospital? Whose funds should support the baby and provide for its care for the rest of its life? Do you seriously believe that a significant number of this type of baby is adoptable?

            RE: Responsibility and Consequences. Are you sure you are not meaning Crime and Punishment according to Mike? If a 14 year old girl of poverty has sex in the stairwell at school and

            becomes pregnant, who is responsible? I’m getting the feeling you are a sensible person, and will agree that there is a long list of suspects, not just the girl. Yet the one person who will live with the “consequences” if she has the baby is the 14 year old girl. Having the baby could easily automatically condemn her to a life of poverty and God knows what else. Which will cost the government a lot of money somewhere along the line. And please, don’t go to the “she can give it up for adoption” option. Of course she can, but very few people or families will go that route for many, many reasons (some of which I listened to ad nauseum over the phone when I was running private adoption ads.)

            There is also societal and moral Responsibility and Consequence, and those reach as far as your heart and soul and intellect are willing to stretch. If you and I are equipped through good fortune of birth or parenting or genetics to stretch farther than others, don’t we have the responsibility to make that stretch?

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          14. mike June 22, 2013

            Again, not by the govt., our taxes. Many fine foundations, charities and individuals to finance these abortions.

            Again, I AM NOT AGAINSTTHE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION. Late term, Yes.
            Oh, but my dime was used, so your argument doesn’t hold water. Also, you are assuming that all bad guys were saved from abortions,that too, doesn’t hold water.

            Nice try!!!

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          15. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            No nice try to it, dirtbag. WE do not PAY for abortions. And quite a number of abortions are because you scumbags want to deny contraception to every woman you can. You are at least partly responsible for the situation you decry. What hypocrisy.

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          16. Guest June 23, 2013

            Admittedly, you tried, but it was not nice.

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          17. AdoptivMom June 24, 2013

            This just shows the power of rhetoric. I have been replying to you as if it were true that there are government-funded abortions. But there are not government funded abortions.

            All the GOP blabber about Planned Parenthood has been about not providing funding for low-income breast cancer screenings to Planned Parenthood BECAUSE THEY ALSO PROVIDE PRIVATELY FINANCED abortions. American service women abroad are not allowed to have abortions in American medical facilities WHEN THEY PAY FOR THEM. Funding for family planning (eg free condoms) is not provided to any NGO abroad that also provides privately financed abortions, even in a separate facility.

            These “many fine foundations and charities” you refer to are providing overall health care and services; the GOP is determined to shut down their entire medical activities because they also provide abortions (not funded by the government). Planned Parenthood and PPIF are not in inner cities and poor developing nations for the primary purpose of providing abortions, but for providing family planning and good prenatal care. They also offer abortions because of what they would have to deal with instead if they did not–the after-effects of botched amateur abortions.

            And, I am not assuming “that all bad guys were saved from abortions.” I suggested you read a book that drew certain conclusions based on public data. If you read it, then you can comment on what is actually in the book.

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          18. Lioslath June 22, 2013

            As a Canadian, I can tell you – your arguments don’t wash. We are proof. So is Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland…

            So, really, the best of the ‘world economy’ is just shaking their heads at this mentality.

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          19. mike June 22, 2013

            Which subject???

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          20. Lioslath June 22, 2013

            Well Mike, most of it, actually, though in particular:

            “Ask any sharp small businessman what is holding him back and he will say
            cost of regulations, energy costs, Obamacare, That’s a fact.”

            That is a load of hogwash.

            And before you say ‘the rich create the jobs’, no, they don’t. If that was the case, then that is worse, as the US has more millionaires and billionaires than any other country in the world. How has that worked out for you?

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          21. mike June 22, 2013

            No hogwash!!! Regulations: Gallup 2/15/12 48% obamacare, 46
            % regulations reasons for not hiring.
            American Council for Capital investments: 2014 heightened EPA regulations will cost the nation 475,000 to 1.4 jobs and 47 billion to 141 billion in GDP.
            Manufacturing Alliance for Productivity and Innovation(MAPI), it will cost US Economy between 257 billion and 726 billion to comply with “major” regulations

            I never said “the rich create the jobs”, so don’t try to make your case on misrepresentation of my words. Read it again!!!

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          22. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            The technique that you always employ with your freaky statistics is called “cherry picking.” You only pick what you want. Admittedly, everyone does this to some extent, however, you will pick one statistic that supports you out of the same study that has a dozen statistics that do not.

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          23. mike June 23, 2013

            Not freaky or cherry picking. just ones you can’t refute.

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          24. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            My comment stands. It is true. Beyond that your arrogant stupidity is impossible to reason with. “You are a legend in your own mind.”

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          25. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            “Massive regulations(4000 in pipeline), Obamacare, EPA high energy
            costs forced on business and home by the closing of plants, highest
            corporate taxes, are just some of the reasons for the lack of jobs and
            growth.” I cut and pasted this. What does it say, dirtbag.

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          26. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            “Ask any sharp small businessman what is holding him back and he will say
            cost of regulations, energy costs, Obamacare, That’s a fact.” Rather than belabor, I will point out that you must have went to the Texas Modern School of Logic. That is where the teaching of “higher order thinking skills” is forbidden.

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          27. mike June 23, 2013

            Studies show it, U6 numbers show it, lack of growth shows it, continued debt rising shows it. Uncertainty, is the operative word for the business community. All caused by the Obama policies.

            Sorry you can’t understand it.

            Refute the numbers.
            What you can’t change is the obama administration under extreme pressure with the scandals that are not going away, and actually increasing, Obama numbers falling,

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          28. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I don’t think anybody should waste their time bothering. As I told you before, you are just a cherry-picker. You pick the one statistic that does what you want and you ignore everything that does not fit your malarkey. “All caused by the Obama policies.” That is the same BS we have destroyed again and again. We have torched so many of your straw men that the whole barn is ablaze. AND yet, you persist. Now, once again, WHAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE ARTICLE?!

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          29. mike June 23, 2013

            Typical late again. This started with Robertson rambling about Repub. and abortions and I pointed out the real facts and the others got their two cents.

            Only in your mind do you think you destroyed anything. Over regulations, Obamacare, higher taxes, IRS, DOJ, all come from the top-Obama.

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          30. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            You are still a typical lying dirtbag. My first post was long before you showed up. As well, when things got hot, you decided to start your own thread. I posted to that a few minutes after you began your lying stupidity. My reply was in reply to more of your stupid sass. Leave it alone and it will stay that way. DIRTBAG. You should be reported because you are the epitome of a troll. You have not been on topic since your first post. You are using an obviously unwelcoming venue to bounce all your EVIL, VICIOUS around to harass normal, decent posters.

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          31. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            This thread was started by you, a-hole. I never claimed to destroy anything except your stupid, ignorant rants. Once again, you cannot keep to the subject. Obama this, Obama that, Obama, Obama, Obama. You are nothing but stupid, treasonous, racist scum. With scum like you promoting those Teatard values, we WILL wipe you out in 2014. You are too stupid to get this. Eventually, as your numbers keep falling, we will wipe out the Gerrymandering. Then your party will be DEAD! If you remove racism, you don’t have a party now.

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          32. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I do appreciate your posts in one respect. You are totally in left field where I want you, and you do not like the feeling. Seems you cannot handle either pressure or reasoning.

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          33. mike June 23, 2013

            yawning!!! it is not me trying to get thoughts together using multiple posts.

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          34. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Actually, that is the sign of superior organization. I know exactly what I am going to say and have the ability to span across multiple posts. What I have found is the general Pub or, especially, Teatard cannot or will not read more than a sentence or two. You people really cannot handle complex thoughts and information. Sometimes this is a lack of intelligence, sometimes it is willful, generally BOTH. As well, if you have to scroll down to read a message, it generally remains unread. I am just facilitating your ability to understand what is said. I have learned that intentionally ignorant people need assistance as they will not put up the effort to learn anything. In your case you do not need to make any posts, as you have no coherent thoughts to get together. You do however fit in well with my next post.

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          35. mike June 24, 2013

            Now this is not a complex thought but you sure look stupid. Remember when you said “life of Julia” is an Obama spoof. LOL You are a joke.

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          36. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Hey bonehead. Ain’t I just so clever. You posted off topic nonsense all day. I sat back and let you do it. Now I have come to collect AND have logged every post. Have you ever heard of flooding a group with off-topic and harassing posts. Well, so you have. My real thoughts on “Julia” are in another post. You made a mountain out of a mole hill just to give your mouth something to run on about. More of Mike’s Special Recipe Diarrhea:

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2]
            extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a
            forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an
            emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Fits you to a “T.”

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          37. mike June 24, 2013

            Keep trying Doofus. It was your ignorance on “Life of Julia” as a spoof that gives you not credence.

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          38. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            As for “Julia,” read my other posts and find out how you have been had. You are in such a hurry to flog an off-topic, and very insignificant news item, that you fell right into my trap. All you are is a troll, a disruptor with an insatiable urge to “win.” To paraphrase a famous old play (and movie): If a man trade his soul for the whole world, but for THIS, Good god, man, you are an idiot.

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          39. mike June 24, 2013

            This post isn’t worth dignifying.

            Julia is a spoof, what a laugh. Ignoramus!!!

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          40. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Sorry mike, you have been had. I just took a guess, maybe a little
            risky, but it came in for me. REALLY, you have been waving a flag
            saying “mental defect and damaged psyche” since you have been here. My
            error was being too cautious to reel you in. You failed to heed the
            underlying warning in several of my posts. You should have guessed this
            would happen. Now, you have made how many posts flogging that one
            stupid little point. “Julia” was probably the only point you have made
            since you have been here and you ran with it, even though it was fake
            and not worth the trouble anyway. You are a very little man, mike, and
            it has nothing to do with stature. Get counceling or at least get some
            Xanax or something.

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          41. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia describes: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2]
            extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a
            forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an
            emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion.[

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          42. mike June 24, 2013

            You know, if you are so right and all knowing just not respond.

            Yawning!!!!

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          43. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            You really don’t understand do you? Do you lack in God given intelligence and common sense, or are you just obtuse. I did not NEED to post because your lame post’s lack of useful, coherent content shows how mentally bankrupt you really are. There. I feel kind of bad now, because I have given the game away.

            Like I said, I just want you to know I was still here. It seems, we are getting down to what this is all about. You having the last word. Strange that it matters so much as you are losing coherency. Read your own pap and see what I mean.

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          44. mike June 24, 2013

            About time for recess isn’t it? Are you late again? Poor baby.
            It sure looks like the playground fits you well.

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          45. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Meaning? You are breaking up mike. You have not made much sense anyway, but you are going over the edge. Your the one that loves childish cartoons and playground bully tricks.

            Late again? Still do not know what you mean. You have posted so much off-topic shit to so many different posters, you do not even know who you are addressing. Sure sign of a STUPID troll.

            Beyond that, I cannot answer. You are incoherent or are just here for your own perverted amusement. Both again, more likely.

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          46. mike June 24, 2013

            Again if they are so off topic just don’t respond.
            After the last post of yours about Life of Julia being a SPOOF, your credibility is gone. You are the one being laughed at. You have lost it. Plain and simple.
            You are a JOKE!!!

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          47. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Stop lying mike. Just because it comes out of your slimy mouth does not make it true. That is just another sign of being a Sociopath. As well, you cannot understand the difference between made up fantasy and fact. I guess the real test of mental illness is not understanding you are. And you are one sick dude, or eunuch, whatever. And my credibility is not at issue here, it’s yours. You think you sick, Teatard political cartoon is fact. It’s not. If you are laughing at me, then I am proud that I have done my job of confounding you. Like I would care if your sick ass laughed. You abusing me means you are leaving another poor, decent soul alone. That makes me very happy.

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          48. mike June 24, 2013

            “Life of Julia” a spoof, your words. What a crock of s_ _t. LOL
            I haven’t stopped laughing.

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          49. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Repeat:

            Sorry mike, you have been had. I just took a guess, maybe a little risky, but it came in for me. REALLY, you have been waving a flag saying “mental defect and damaged psyche” since you have been here. My error was being too cautious to reel you in. You failed to heed the underlying warning in several of my posts. You should have guessed thiswould happen. Now, you have made how many posts flogging that one stupid little point. “Julia” was probably the only point you have made since you have been here and you ran with it, even though it was fake and not worth the trouble anyway. You are a very little man, mike, and it has nothing to do with stature. Get counceling or at least get some Xanax or something.

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          50. Inthenameofliberty June 29, 2013

            I can’t help but respond to Russel by responding to you – I don’t feel like engaging Russel, who is a psycopath.

            Russel writes: To repeat: You lost the election. In other words, the majority of
            Americans DO NOT know that your analysis is correct. On the contrary,
            everyday more Americans despise your kind.

            He is so far off. Most of the people I know chose not to vote. Because they think both Republicans and Democrats are crazy, they think elections are rigged, and they just don’t care about politics.

            I enjoy your posts. I just wish both Democratic and Republican websites would see how hypocritical they all are. Mob mentality, and blindly following their leaders and forgiving them of their sins.

            You will never make headway with this Russel person. His IQ is in question.

            And he sure likes to define troll a lot. Problem is, he is confusing ‘troll’ with ‘independent thinker’. And is IQ isn’t high enough to understand this.

            I can’t wait to continue reading this thread, and some of the others! Keep up the good work! Even if you will not get most of the writers on this site to see reason.

            Bunch of nasty hypocrites is what they are.

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          51. mike June 30, 2013

            Thanks, If I’ am not called a troll, cherry picker of facts, liar, etc., I wouldn’t consider it a good day. The intolerance of another persons opinion which doesn’t fit their circle jerk echoing means all hell is going to break loose.
            I truly believe the majority of people who post on the left have serious superiority complexes. Their way or else.

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          52. mike June 24, 2013

            You probably shouldn’t be happy, your comment about “Life of Julia” just shows how lame you are.

            If you do not realize(the rest of the America knows it is a fact) it is Obama’s future for women then you are a left wing buffoon.

            When are you going on Leno?? Say that comment to the audience and they will laugh you off the set.

            LOL!!!

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          53. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Actually, you lost the last election. Obama got the same percentage of votes as Reagan did in his”landslide..” To repeat: You lost the election. In other words, the majority of Americans DO NOT know that your analysis is correct. On the contrary, everyday more Americans despise your kind.

            AND, be a man, if you can. At least, try this strange concept (it is to you) called HONESTY. You despise Obama, Liberals, Democrats, and anything that takes a little heart and decency to support. You eat, breathe, and crap the nonsense spouted by your right-wing, Teatard heroes. Claiming to be independent might work if your audience was in a coma.

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          54. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            As for “Julia,” read my other posts and find out how you have been had.
            You are in such a hurry to flog an off-topic, and very insignificant
            news item, that you fell right into my trap. All you are is a troll, a
            disruptor with an insatiable urge to “win.” To paraphrase a famous old
            play (and movie): If a man trade his soul for the whole world, but for
            THIS. . . . Good god, man, you are an idiot.

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          55. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

            I feel about the same way about giving the second largest amount of foreign aid to Egypt as a bribe for leaving Israel alone as I did since that practice began immediately after the six-day war. If it was up to me I would eliminate foreign aid to ALL countries except for humanitarian aid to countries fighting malnutrition, disease and illiteracy.

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          56. neeceoooo June 22, 2013

            Amen

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          57. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

            Mike, American entrepreneurs invest overseas because of favorable labor conditions, especially wages that are substantially lower than ours, no benefit packages, and a total absence of safety and environmental regulations. Add to that the fact that those entrepreneurs don’t pay Uncle Sam for the profits they realize overseas and, often, don’t pay local governments because of their foreign status, and outsourcing and investing overseas becomes a no-brainer for them.
            The real question is how do we solve the conundrum we have? Alone the same lines, why can Scandinavian countries and Germany afford to pay livable wages and benefit packages better than ours and remain competitive and we can’t? Could it be that the social programs in those countries lower the operating costs of their corporations and allow them to compete effectively against countries like China? Could it be that their focus on quality beats the mass production of shoddy products? Blaming Obamacare for the decline of Americans manufacturing and the tendency of our business community to invest overseas since President Nixon and Kissinger re-established diplomatic and trade relations with China does not make sense. We do have a problem that needs attention and resolution, but focusing on the repeal of a program that is likely to reduce the cost of manufacturing and services in the USA is not the way to go.

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          58. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            One way to fix the problem would be to reinstate tariffs.

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          59. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

            The problem with tariffs is that such move would invite retaliation from our trading partners. Most countries depend and prosper from trade, and we are not an exception to that rule. What a lot of people ignore when they demonize our trade agreements, is that most of those agreements are designed to help American enterprise, not the average American. Our companies, and investors, are realizing huge profits overseas. Some American companies are making more money abroad than at home. There are many reasons for them, some we have already discussed, another is the fact that ours is pretty much a saturated market as a result of competition, a condition that does not exist in some of the countries where we do business and invest.

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          60. mike June 22, 2013

            Dom, I never blamed Obamacare for loss of Manufacturing. The decline in manufacturing has gone on long before Obamacare. So quit trying to put words in my mouth.

            I think that is a stretch that Obamacare will reduce the cost of manufacturing and services. Hell, premium are going up.

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          61. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Says who Mike. Even so, premiums have been rising by double digits nearly every year for over a decade. Laying rising premiums on Obamacare is very disingenuous. Really, we should have went to single payer and eliminated the greed merchants altogether. How do you like them apples.

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          62. mike June 23, 2013

            But you keep forgetting that Obama said Obamacare would lower premiums, keep your doctor, etc..

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          63. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            And except for a lot of red states that are refusing to implement Obamacare as it was intended, PREMIUMS ARE GOING DOWN even before the portion of Obamacare that should bring premiums down (when everyone has to be covered) becomes effective next year. And unless you’re totally clueless (which I think you are) the insurance industry would be furious if the GOP actually succeeded in repealing Obamacare because it would cost them 40-50 million new insureds.

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          64. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            Yes and it will when we really start using it next year. I don’t think I can find any smaller words to explain this to you.

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          65. mike June 23, 2013

            Only in your dreams. Less than four months to enrollment and what the exchanges will look like, uncertainty will be the norm.

            You must not know that the business exchanges have already been pushed back to 2015.

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          66. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Once again, why not work for something to better the nation, instead of always trying to destroy. Why not give it a chance.

            Of course, you are just a hateful sociopath.

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          67. mike June 23, 2013

            Gee, could it be that it is a disaster in the making. You better head back under the rock.

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          68. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Stooooopid!

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          69. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            One thing has slowed the increase in health insurance premiums. (This is a fact that can be found by not reading right-wing rags.) The insurance companies have to spend a percentage of all their premiums on, guess now, HEALTHCARE! If they do not then they must return the money. I work for an employer that has already gotten a refund, so don’t try to substitute some Limbaugh for the truth.

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          70. mike June 23, 2013

            And what you are seeing and going to see more of are the insurance companies walking away from healthcare coverage. I hate to see what will replace it with lower premiums. You keep forgetting there will be a shortage of 91,000 doctors by 2020.

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          71. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            There already is! Why do you continue belaboring a losing point. Must you have an orgasm from lying?

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          72. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            The worst uncertainty is the amount of Teatard attempts to scuttle implementation. Rather than accept what is a very good deal, some right-wing governors are refusing to help their own people based on bigoted ideology.

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          73. mike June 23, 2013

            Only in your mind is it a good deal. Keep drinking the KOOL AID.

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          74. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Even crazy Jan Brewer thinks so. Just saying your s**t about KOOL AID is not evidence of anything but a loser’s mentality.

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          75. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I am repeating Independent1’s post to me:

            Russell, as I pointed out to Mike, some studies have shown that if Obamacare had not been enacted 4 years ago, insurance premiums today would likely be 30-40% higher than they are. The studies have shown that the rise in premiums over the past 3 years has been at the slowest rates in the past 15 yearsl

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          76. mike June 24, 2013

            Life of Julia is a spoof-your words. One can’t show his stupidity any easier.

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          77. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2]
            extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a
            forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an
            emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Fits you to a “T.”

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          78. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Why is it that your kind is always the same. For just once, why can you not take what was promised, let nature take its course, and then call for appeal when the program fails. This pro-active stance just adds interminable delays and costs to the program. Of course, there is something evil and vicious in your soul. You NEED to have social programs fail and are wiling to waste huge sums of money to see that happen. You are just another hate filled sociopath.

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          79. mike June 23, 2013

            The promise was a lie. Pretty simple, No one read the damn bill and you want us to let you get away with it.

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          80. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I have read it, dirtbag. Pubs did not read it. All they, and you, want to do is fight over something you hate, but know nothing about.

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          81. mike June 23, 2013

            You might have read it after the fact, maybe. Dems. did not read it before they voted. So get off that crap.

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          82. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Russell, as I pointed out to Mike, some studies have shown that if Obamacare had not been enacted 4 years ago, insurance premiums today would likely be 30-40% higher than they are. The studies have shown that the rise in premiums over t he past 3 years has been at the slowest rates in the past 15 yearsl

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          83. Guest June 23, 2013

            I am repeating Independent1’s post to me:

            Russell, as I pointed out to Mike, some studies have shown that if Obamacare had not been enacted 4 years ago, insurance premiums today would likely be 30-40% higher than they are. The studies have shown that the rise in premiums over the past 3 years has been at the slowest rates in the past 15 yearsl

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          84. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Premiums under Obamacare are not going up except in Red States that are not fully implementing the insurance exchanges as was intended by the legislation. In many states, those that have implemented Obamacare as it was intended, insurance premiums are dropping significantly – and that’s even BEFORE the portion of Obamacare that should drop premiums takes effect in 2014. You obvioulsy no nothing about Obamacare except what you hear from your right-wing faux news outlets!!
            I’d suggest you stop making nonsense comments about ACA!!!

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          85. mike June 23, 2013

            Again you are wrong. Go look at CA, Ohio.

            AP had an article on PwC’s reporting that premiums will rise 6.5%, which means twice the rate of economic growth and 4 times faster than overall inflation, based on Federal Reserves projections. PwC also said premiums could rise even higher on insurance exchanges due to the uncertainty who signs up-the sick, the healthy, or both.

            What is clear: the promise made that premiums would go down $2500 is clearing a promise not kept.

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          86. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            I am not wrong – 1st off Ohio is effectively a Red State – it is run by the GOP even though it voted for Obama. Secondly, here’s the leadin of an article from CNN Money which says that ACA premiums in CA are going to be much lower than were projected:

            Health insurers in California will charge an average of $304 a month for the cheapest silver-level plan in state-based exchanges next year, according to rates released Thursday by Covered California, which is implementing the Affordable Care Act there. But many residents will pay a lot less than that for coverage.

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          87. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Yes, Ohio is a red state. And the Pubs are working feverishly to Gerrymander the Democratic majority back into the closet. The Pubs paid for Ohio and they damn well are going to have it. Democracy be damned.

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          88. mike June 23, 2013

            LOL!!! Keep reading the left wing headlines and not the substance of the articles. I think you will be surprised to find the real truth.

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          89. Lorr June 23, 2013

            If someone who is employed and has health care coverage is diagnosed with cancer they are so grateful for the health insurance. However, if while undergoing treatment they loose their job, after Cobra runs out you have to get insurance. No one will even return your calls and when you finally find someone they charge you $1200/month. That is one small reason we need Obamacare.
            The small business – a lot will be exempt because they do not have enough full time employees. Those that are not will do what they have done since the beginning of Capitalism when their expenditures increase, they will put the cost onto the consumer.

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          90. mike June 23, 2013

            When expenditures increase they look at increasing the price but to stay competitive they will also have to look at fewer people.

            Why are corporation not hiring?? Pretty simple, fewer hires, fewer costs, better productivity, and better profits. They are not in the business to break even. DUH.

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          91. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            I have noticed that when I hear someone spout off like you do, and then say, “everybody in Congress is rotten, they all need to be replaced.” Invariably, they are a Teatard that will vote straight ticket Pub every time. The only exception is when a REAL conservative, i.e. someone that is reasonable, runs for office. Then you ilk stays home and plots on getting that candidate out at the next primary. This is the “divide and conquer” approach that has allowed the Party of No to remain in competition. Unfortunately, this led to the creation of the Teaderthal Party that, like a runaway reactor, is leading to an eventual meltdown and likely catastrophe.

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          92. mike June 22, 2013

            I see you are off your meds again. I never said “every one in Congress is rotten”. You have the wrong guy.
            The rest of your post is pure bull shit, not an ounce of truth.

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          93. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            You mean you haven’t noticed that just about everyone in the Teanderthal party is white and mostly men. Have you noticed that the Pubs are hemorrhaging voters at a high pace. The Pubs are almost unable to Gerrymander fast enough to keep control. A few more years and it may not matter. Must be awful to be disproven before you opened your mouth. I realize that the truth hits a nerve with you so you have to mouth off anyway. Why don’t you listen to people that are truly conservative rather than the ultra, Fascists that you are in bed with. Your mob is destroying the Pub party and its leaders know it. They are like bronc riders trying to stay in the saddle.

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          94. mike June 23, 2013

            I guess that is why 9 new Republican governors since 2010, 56 additional house seats, 2 new senate seats.
            If the party was so bad why didn’t Obama sweep the dems back into the majority? I sure don’t see it happening in 2014.

            Obama numbers are falling, his honesty and integrity are now in question.

            Nice try!!!

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          95. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            In other words, your well-funded scare campaigns worked temporarily. I see you dwell on 2010. Why did you not mention the current election in 2012. How did that work out for you? Your stupidity is only exceeded by your dishonesty.

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          96. mike June 23, 2013

            The stupidity is within you. Too bad you don’t have intellect to look at the numbers. Since 2008 Obama has led the loss in the house, senate, and governorships for Democrats. Figures don’t lie just you. Yes, dems. gained back a few house seats(8) and senate (2) but the numbers are still negative since 2008. On the coattails of Obama and this “massive” win the Dems still fell well short of a comeback. Mid term coming up and Obama is not on the ticket and his honesty and integrity in doubt, Obamacare questions, it could be an even bigger loss for the Dems.

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          97. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Well, if I were a betting man I would not count too heavily on 2014. Your only hope is more Gerrymandering. I am a very humble man in reality and am not fully confident about 2014, but if I were a Pub, I would be scared sh**less. So, with you, is it arrogance or ignorance. I think it is a heaping helping of both!

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          98. mike June 23, 2013

            I hear your party leaders concerned about 2014 and I think they are the ones that are scared sh**less.

            With me it is not ignorance but confidence the American people have seen the havoc you are bringing down on them.

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          99. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            Once again, you gave the game away. You mention “better ways to FINANCE,” So it is about the money. Not right and wrong.

            Oh, by the way, guvmint is forbidden to use funds for abortion, moron.

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          100. mike June 22, 2013

            Well, there are better ways than tax payers money. They run surpluses and sure don’t need our tax money. They are sitting on 1.2 billion in assets and revenues in excess of 87 million.

            Consensus is long standing that fed. money is not to be used for abortions. That does mean it can’t be done.

            Interesting the more abortions they do the more federal funding they get. 2011-2012 fed funds were 45% of revenues. 40% of reported contraceptive services last year were for the provision of 1.4 million emergency contraception kits which can cause an abortion in early pregnancy.

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          101. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            Speaking of those who don’t need our tax money,how ’bout those super rich oil and gas magnates who take the tax funded subsidies anyway?
            O.K. ladies,flush those morning after pills and grab the aspirin.

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          102. mike June 23, 2013

            Are the subsidies illegal?? Talk to your congressional people.

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          103. Mark Forsyth June 24, 2013

            Awfully choosey about your subsidies.The subsidies I recieve are legal and the help people.Providing TAX FUNDED subsidies to the rich oil barons is wasteful,legal or not.

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          104. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

            The annual budget for Foreign Aid is somewhere in the vicinity of 12 – 14 billion, not much in the large picture. The Great Depression was precipitated by the same UNREGULATED excesses that caused the 2007 debacle. FDR and the Democrats in Congress in the early thirties passed through laws that prevented such excesses for 74 years. When these laws were repealed in 1999, we only had 8 brief years before the shit hit the fan in 2007. Regulation is an absolute necessity when greed is the chief motivator of the people who manage your money. 2/3 of our economy is based on consumers’ spending their money. IF consumers don’t have the money to spend, due to low wages, etc., then our economy is going to collapse – DUH!

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          105. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            Since it isn’t rocket science you’d think the dolts would get it,but along with willful ignorance is their unquenchable greed and money addiction.Even junkies know which side of the bread is buttered but these guys undermine themselves due to wanting everything all the time.

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          106. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            That is a fair observation. For instance, wages on hourly jobs fell nearly 4% last quarter. I would be frightened if I were a “fat cat.” If that continues, we may have a revolution rather sooner than I think. Unfortunately, the rich don’t care. I think they believe they have bought the system so thoroughly that they will always be protected from the common man’s wrath. As a historian, I remember the situation was almost identical during the Theodore Roosevelt administration. The robber barons wanted Teddy to use the law corruptly and even troops to destroy striking workers, etc. Roosevelt was not totally pro worker, but he insisted on fairness which was all that was needed. And guess what the far right wing thinks of that Republican president today?

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          107. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            I bet they view the guy who walked slowly and carried a big club as a limp noodle.

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          108. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I forgot to add the conclusion that Teddy saved their ungrateful a**es from a probable revolution. An example of which is the event that brought Roosevelt to the presidency to begin with. One of the elites criticisms was that Teddy was “not really a Republican.” Where are we hearing that from now? (i.e. RINO)

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          109. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            If Teddy were alive today doing what he did back then,he would be completely vilified by the gop turds for being a champion of the people.I had to do a little research on him before replying to you..Teddy was an old ‘trust’ buster and even back then there were those in the party who felt that his programs were socialistic.Considering that he was up against J.P.Morgan and other industrialists who tried to monopolize the western railroads,it’s nothing short of amazing that he secured Morgans’ aid in trying to bring a resolution to the mine workers dispute.
            I don’t think it’s any exageration to say that T.R. was dealing with the stirrings of fascism even then when Morgan and Dupont along with Prescott Bush were indicted on charges of engineering a fascist takeover of the F.D.R. administration because they feared the New Deal policies.
            Well gol dangit,looks like that whole dadburned RoozyVelt fambly was a bunch a dirty socialists-or would that be commies? or atheists.They jest wadn’t Ay mur i cun.

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          110. RobertCHastings June 23, 2013

            You would think the rank and file Republican voters would see the writing on the wall and understand that the Republican party does not have their best interests at heart. To dismantle Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will not hurt the wealthy (it will put more money in their pockets),but it will hurt the poor and the middle class, which demographically make up a large chunk of Republican voters. By reducing government to the barebones, which entails reducing spending on Education, infrastructure, environment, health care, etc. and maintaining or increasing spending on military does NOT help the poor or the middle class.
            About 53 million Republicans voted in the past presidential election, and the vast majority cannot reasonably expect to receive any benefit by having done so.

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          111. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            There is no doubt that the party is bleeding members,but there are bound to be adamant holdouts no matter how much gop policies impact them. They are the same ones who have their faces buried in the Bible while they ignore the earthly manifestations of God.

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          112. RobertCHastings June 23, 2013

            Ideology and theology appear to be the same thing for many Republicans.

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          113. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            No surprise that they don’t differentiate since many of them see no difference from socialism,communism,fascism,or atheism.

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          114. RobertCHastings June 23, 2013

            Thank you for making that point. On Candy Crowley’s Sunday morning talk show, State of the Union, Cokie Roberts made the point you make, when she referred to Cuba, Ecuador and Venezuela as socialist countries, a point I am sure would be lost on many Republican readers. Mention any of the four isms you refer to and all you get is rant and obfuscation., and a definition is out of the question.

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          115. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            So much easier just to call them commies and not be bothered with accuracy.Given their lack of understanding that our own democratic experiment is social in nature,it’s not surprising that they fail to see why socialism is a viable option in both Latin and South America and why they try to stamp out every social program here.

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          116. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Only because they are too indolent to inform themselves of the difference. I would like to add ignorism to your list. I submit it as the descriptor of the beliefs and philosophy of the Pubs.

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          117. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            I’m confident that they could wear the collective label of Negativity Incorporated.

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          118. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            It is unfortunate that they got theology so wrong. They substitute hate, bigotry, and rigidity of belief for the love, open mindedness, and flexibility their Master taught.

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          119. mike June 23, 2013

            This should be directed at Lorr. He was the one having a fit over monies to other countries.

            Clinton wanted deregulation and it all was under his watch that the meltdown started. You need to tell that to all your side. Right now you are talking to the choir.

            Yes, regulation is necessary but over regulation stifles growth. 2011 there 224 “economically significant” rules issued last year and increase of 22 percent over 2009. THIS REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST NUMBER RECORDED since govt. kept count-Federal Regulations: A Review of Legislative Proposals, Part 1, Junes 23, 2011.
            Obama has finalized 193 “significant rules” which is a 40% INCREASE IN MAJOR REGULATIONS

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          120. RobertCHastings June 24, 2013

            Lest we get into a pissing contest to decide who is responsible for deregulation, I will concede that major dereg took place near the end of Clinton’s presidency. There is much more to it than that, as we both know, but not much that will advance that discussion. In all too many area of finance, commerce, environment, etc. we see instances of the fox guarding the henhouse. Having the tobacco industry regulate themselves and tell the public that their products were safe is just one example. To allow speculators free rein (as they are given in the commodities markets) does one thing ONLY, and that is raise the cost of commodities to retail consumers. Speculation in derivatives (an unregulated area) is what drove the collapse of the financial markets in 2007. Glass-Steagall was passed in 1932, followed by the Banking Act of 1933. These two acts dealt with regulating financial markets, including banks and lending institutions. WHOEVER is responsible for their repeal did not do American consumers any favors, for the lack of the regulation these acts provided is what led to the collapse of 2007. I can easily understand the plethora of regulations being now enacted – they fill a void created by deregulation.

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          121. mike July 1, 2013

            Basically we are in agreement!!! OMG!!! the sky is falling. 🙂

            “WHOEVER is responsible”, come on, both sides are responsible!!!

            What you are not saying is of the 4000+ regulations are not all financial. Many of them do have a major effect on our growth of the economy, higher energy costs, etc..OIRA in 2011 said, between Jan. 2009 and end fiscal 2010 cost of Federal regulations costs between 8 billion and 16.5 billion. Obama proposed budget request for regulatory activities for Fiscal 2013 amounts to $58.7 billion. GWU, WU.

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          122. RobertCHastings July 1, 2013

            Obama has on more than one occasion validated your assertion that there are too many regulations, and that many regulations do, indeed, stifle economic activities and job creation. However, removing regulations and the structure that provides for the implementation and policing of others also does the same. Removing regulations from imported goods, and removing inspectors from onsite overseas inspections has, over the past few years, led to many instances of products from outside the US coming in without adequate inspection and resulting in serious consumer issues. About three years ago China sent us tons of pet food laced with a chemical that enhanced the protein assay, but resulted in fatal kidney disease for hundreds of American pets. We almost weekly hear of something from China coming here with lead or mercury. We are all too frequently hearing of massive food recalls due to salmonella or e-coli contamination that are being recalled ONLY after dozens of cases pop up. These things SHOULD be caught at the site of origin. The FDA has been cut and sliced and diced over the years and turned into little more than an industry-paid organ that, for a contribution, will pass anything on to the consumers. How many drugs can you name that, over the past five years, have been recalled? These drugs should not even have reached the market. The idea of allowing individual industries to inspect their own products and tell the public they are safe is ridiculous, but that is what the Republicans seem to want. The losses incurred due to illness, death, damage to consumers over the past four years due to inadequate regulation and inspection FAR exceeds the $58.7B you quote as Obama’s request for regulatory activities.

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          123. mike July 2, 2013

            My comments are strictly at the regulations controlling how our businesses cope in this massive regulation explosion.
            As to imports that is a whole different topic. FDA is inspecting only about 3% of food entering the country using mostly private companies or relying on foreign inspectors at origin of product. Not good.

            Total pages of Federal code Regulation was 169,301 in 2011. The cost of regulatory accumulation is the main problem, too many reg. cause higher costs and loss of innovation, to no fault of any individual reg.. Multiple regs. interaction has the effect of raising business costs, and forces management to prioritize compliance over innovation and growth. progressivepolicy.org
            Small business spend close to 10k per employee to meet fed. reg., over $2000 more per employee than large business. The small business is where the hiring is found and they are being held back by the costs and uncertainties of regulations.SBA

            Since 2009, Obama has finalized 193 rules that have cost the economy over 100 million dollars and a 40% increase major regulations since 2004.

            A balance should and could be found for both growth and safety, until that happens growth will continue to be slow. The latest growth numbers are 1.9 down from 2.4 stated earlier, with that number we will continue to grow weaker as a nation.

            I just can’t agree all is the fault of the Republicans, I think you forgot to blame Bush.

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          124. RobertCHastings July 2, 2013

            One of the final acts of the Clinton administration was to, by executive order, institute regulations that would have, annually, prevented in excess of 600,000 repetitive motion injuries in the workplace. Along with firing the 80,000 additional policemen Clinton had put on the streets, Bush very quickly ended this program, also. While the regulations put in place to support the repetitive motion issue undoubtedly cost employers significantly, the injuries that were NOT prevented, I am sure, cost significantly more. Safety regulations are in place at the local, state and federal workers to insure the safety and wellbeing of workers which, by definition, will infringe on the ability of business to turn a profit. Environmental regulations that affect business and industry bottom lines are meant to ensure that the fallout from unmanaged environmental issues to do adversely affect the health of all of us or the ability of the planet to survive. Regulations serve a vital and necessary function in enhancing our lives and insuring our well-being. However, many regulations may be outdated or need updating, or may even no longer be necessary. But throwing out the baby with the bath water is not a workable solution.

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          125. mike July 2, 2013

            In the George Washington University and Washington University in St. Louis study they have numbers showing 283,615 govt. employees dedicated to drafting and enforcing regulations while fewer than 50 employees at OMB responsible for reviewing the new regulatory mandates to ensure they are justified and accurate prior to implementation. To me that is a travesty.

            When the business community keeps repeating that the regulations are destroying growth and therefore the economy, some one had better start listening.

            Yes, there are many good regs. but a balance must be found.

            China doesn’t care, India doesn’t care, South America doesn’t care, and at some point in the very near future we will be left behind economically. The World will pass us by and never look back, and we will be the real losers as will the World with the US weak.

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          126. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Mike, you really need to stop trying to sell posters here on the National Memo talking points from the Chamber of Commerce: I’m starting to get the sense that you’re a shill for them?? Numerous studies have proven that the Chambers BS about the cost of regulations, energy and Obamacare holding back small businesses is just that – PURE BS!! TOTAL NONSENSE!! The Chamber doctored the results of some surveys they did just to fit into their right-wing agenda.

            And with respect to Obamacare – the fact is, that if Obamacare hadn’t been legislated 4 years ago, the cost of healthcare to businesses would be 30-40% higher right now than it is – The increase in healthcare costs have gone up the past 3 years at the slowest rate of any years in the past 15. And businesses like Wal-Mart are blaming Obamacare for businesses models that they’ve been using for years – WalMart is saying now that it’s Obamacare that’s forcing them to hire primarily part-time workers when they’ve been using that model for more than 10 years – we have several members of the family who have worked for Wal-Mart for years and have constantly been held back from being put on full-time status – and until this year – it had nothing to do with Obamacare.

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          127. mike June 23, 2013

            The studies show it, people are already getting fewer hours.

            I did not use the Chamber for numbers or talking points.
            This all came from the small business community.

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          128. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I laughed so hard I almost lost my breakfast when I read that. How dumb are you really?

            “I did not use the Chamber for numbers or talking points.
            This all came from the small business community.”

            You obviously did not think that through. . . .

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          129. mike June 23, 2013

            Only dumb in your little mind. I know the facts and you can’t handle them.

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          130. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            You mean you are really too stupid to know what you really said. I am going to point people to this conversation so that we can have a real laugh at someone too stupid to even understand his own words. Or too lazy to be informed. Maybe, you are a shill for the Chamber as Independent has thought. BUT thanks for another good chuckle.

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          131. mike June 24, 2013

            Not one fact came from the Chamber, Independent is wrong.

            Life of Julia is a spoof, your words. What a buffoon.

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          132. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            “Life of Julia” is produced by right-wing buffoons for right-wing buffoons. As I am neither, by definition, you must be wrong.

            I and a number of people I propagated both of the above remarks to, are still shake their heads over your stupidity. You still have not figured it out.

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          133. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Do you notice Mike, that even when you try to fend off criticism by denying your intent, you do so by taking a swipe at that black, Democrat president you despise. Any idiot knows we ALL are talking about those obstructionist Republitards. You truly are too stupid to even hold an objective conversation. Like most of your ilk you are totally biased and partisan, and only use this sort of defense to deflect the reasonable arguments of others.

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        3. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

          I hope you don’t mind this observation, but the “job creators” did a wonderful job expanding their businesses and creating jobs…in China, Bangladesh and other countries where salaries are a fraction of what most Americans earn. The solution advanced by the GOP to solve the income inequality problem and make us competitive include (1) getting rid of organized labor to ensure employers can pay Bangladesh-level salaries, (2) encouraging employers to reject better social programs to improve our quality of life and give us greater access to preventive medical care, (3) encouraging employers to eliminate benefit packages to improve our ability to compete with products and services from Third World countries, and (4) eliminating regulations designed to make our workplace safe, preserve our environment, eliminate abuses, and reduce the probability of waste and fraud.

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          1. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

            That’s it? That’s all you can come up with? While you could expand this list by giving some specifics, I really think that MOST of agree with you 100%.

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          2. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I have always considered that the right-wing’s goal is not to advance America, but bring us down to the level of the worst. I think attempting to fulfill such a plan is the worst form of treason and should be dealt with as such.

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          3. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            Speaking of treason, Snowden, the whistle blower and, likely, a counter espionage agent, just changed residences. He is now in Moscow.

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          4. Fern Woodfork June 23, 2013

            What Does That Say About Him??? Hmmmm Let Me See Oh I Know TRAITOR!!!

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          5. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            Looks like Snowden was not satisfied with what he did when he gave classified to The Guardian, and he continues to reveal top secret endeavors and information. Although most of the information he has released are things that most people already suspected, the fact that he is confirming it is doing incredible damage to our reputation as a bastion of freedom and democracy, and the de facto leader of the free world.

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          6. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            I think the average American would be much more concerned with the relationship that our politicians[predominantly republican] have with Alec,as opposed to an otherwise insignificant unknown who told the world that the U.S. Intell community has its pants down.I refer you to this mornings Bill Moyers program on PBS that was very enlightening.

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          7. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            You are probably, if nothing else because the so-called “revelations” are things that everybody already suspected.
            What amazes me is the number of people that seem surprised when they hear about the activities our intelligence agencies are engaged in. What do they think we have been doing since at least WWII?

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          8. Fern Woodfork June 23, 2013

            YES!! This Is Just More GOP/Tea Party Bullshit Throwing Everything At The Wall And Hoping Something Will Stick!!! After All The (Non) Scandals So Far NONE Of Them Are Doing The Job!! So Along Come Snowden Telling On A Program That’s Been Go On For Years!! It’s All Bullshit Trying To Get Obama Impeached!! But All These Scandal Only Points Out To Their Own Party!!! LOL The GOP Are The Starters Of All These So Called Scandals!!! LOL All These Programs Was Put In Place By Them!!!! LOL

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          9. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            That is true. They don’t want to better the world they want to bring the world down to their level.

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        4. plc97477 June 22, 2013

          I am old enough to remember the young girls bleeding to death in alleyways after a botched abortion and I hope we never go back to that.

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          1. jovan1984 June 23, 2013

            I’ve read about that stuff from blogs, it is devastating.

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      5. highpckts June 22, 2013

        So when, Mike, do you think it’s right to step in? Do we wait for a total climate disaster to regulate pollution? Do we wait until everyone’s out of work because the big companies don’t want to pay taxes here? Just what do YOU prpose we do? It all has to start somewhere and the bottom line shouldn’t be a factor! Greed is ruining this country and you are part of it by stating that none of this will happen on your dime!

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        1. mike June 22, 2013

          Not every regulation has to do with climate. I must remind you Obama put at the head of his recovery panel, Immelt of GE, a company that is a tax dodger. I guess you need to talk to your leader.
          Again, there are ways than expecting the Govt. to do. FYI, we are broke. 40% of our spending is borrowed.

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          1. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            And whose fault is that nitwit!! That as you say we’re broke?? Given that every Republican president since Nixon’s 2nd term has run up America’s debt like there was no tomorrow: Nixon’s 1st term was the last time a GOP president didn’t spend like a drunken sailor. And you’re so good at looking up facts, look it up: Reagan took office, America’s debt was 800 billion. Bush Sr. took office, America’s debt was 2.3 trillion. Clinton took office America’s debt was 4.3 trillion. Bush jr. took office America’s debt was 4.9 trillion. Obama took office, America’s debt was 12.3 trillion (which inlcuded 1.6 trillion in budgetted spending Obama could do nothing about ) But also included was the worse financial disaster that had ever hit the country. From a financial standpoint, far worse than what FDR had to deal with after Hoover’s disasterous 4 years in office.
            So tell me Mr. expert, what party is mostly responsible for America being broke as you state – which by the way is total nonsense!!!
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          2. mike June 23, 2013

            What your ilk won’t admit. The Dems controlled the house for 44 years, first time they lost it was in Clinton’s first term, and in the Senate Dems had control all but 97th, 98th 99th
            Congress.
            So all those years when the Dems. controlled the Congress they sat with their thumbs up there asses and let the Rep. do what they wanted, Right?

            Your attempt to paint it all on the Right sure loses it steam.

            Again, no one is with out blame on the financial crisis. It started under Clinton and that is a fact. Probably not what you want to hear but even Obama’s commission on the Collapse said it started in the 90’s.

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          3. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            You have to be the biggest weasle I’ve seen The National Memo. You know very well the Dems weren’t sitting with their thumbs up their asses when a Republican president was in office, they were acting like responsible legislators voting on issuesl based on what they felt was best for the country and not what was best for their party and their pocketbooks like the GOP has been since they got controll of the House in 1995. And you also know that with the Senate, you can’t look at a chart that says a President’s party had a majority in the Senate and really think that means anything: A chart says Obama has had a majority in the Senate during his whole term but YOU KNOW very well that’s been useless to the Dems with the Repubs refusing to play partisan politics for even one minute and have used the filibuster rule more than 400 times. I’m old enough to remember FDR and I’ve closely followed politics since I 1st voted for Eisenhower, and I can tell you for a fact, although there have been many times when Dems and Repubs have been at real odds – the totally devoid sense of partisanship did not vanish in Congress until
            Newt Gingrich and today’s totally corrupt political gangsters took control of Congress in 1995; today’s GOP’s far more akin to the Italian Mafia, than they are to a true political party.

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          4. mike June 23, 2013

            Go back and read your words. You said, “Republican presidents running up debt like it was no tomorrow” your words not mine.
            I just pointed out that the Dems controlled the house for all those years and the Senate for a large number of those years, so the Dems. had to be part of the RAISING OF THE DEBT. NOT JUST THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT!!!

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          5. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Yeah! So! That was back in the days when congressional people showed partisanship and assumed that unless there was some great conceptional divide that the President had the right to define the direction of government. Not being overly paranoid about deficit spending as the GOP has suddenly become just because THEIR GUY isn’t in office, the Dems saw no reason to keep Reagan and Bush Sr. from being able to accomplish their objectives. But that in no way changes the fact that every GOP president since Nixon in his second term has chosen to spend like a drunken sailor – while EVERY Dem president has done what he could to pull back from the deficit spending of the GOP president he replaced. And something that may be surprising to you is that the president who was actually able to reduce deficit spending to the lowest levels with respect to a percent of our GDP was Carter – Carter is the only president since WWII to get deficit spending below 50% of GDP – Carter actually had it down to around 35% of GDP.

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          6. mike June 24, 2013

            Carter lasted one term, and was just as inept at leading as Obama.
            “Dems so no reason to _ _ _ _ “, because they were the big spenders. But it was Republ. presidents fault, what a laugh!!!

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      6. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

        Another troll a-hole. If a woman’s body is her own, AGREED, then stopping the pregnancy is the cheapest option possible, if that is all that matters to you. Want to leave the child to starve and live a miserable life, THEN this article was written about YOU. The rest of your post is just uniformed blather. Go hate somewhere else.

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        1. mike June 24, 2013

          Life of Julia is a spoof-your words. Doofus!

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          1. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Sorry Mike, but I guess you will never catch on that I am playing you. You are a broken record. Even after I told you what I was up to. Admittedly, I am tiring of the “game.” However, it will go on indefinitely, or until we are shut down.

            The truth of “Life of Julia” is clear, did it exaggerate, yes. Is it effective, yes. Have you twisted this totally out of proportion, oh my yes. Here is the deal. When is the last time you thought about posting on topic? That is where “Life . . .” starts to become important and added to all the rest of your shenanigans adds up to what I will tell you from now on:

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2]
            extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a
            forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an
            emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Reply
      7. demz taters June 22, 2013

        You are aware that it’s a matter of fact that Republicans have outspent Democrats for at least a generation, aren’t you? Why should anyone take you seriously when you’d rather spout your party’s branding propaganda rather than actual data?

        Reply
    4. idamag June 22, 2013

      If those hypocrites really loved children, they would want them to have a better life and they would want them to have medical care and a good education.

      Reply
      1. Michael Kollmorgen June 22, 2013

        Nope, they don’t want that.

        They want a population that is poor, underfed and ignorant. That way, they can use us in any way they choose to.

        I’d love to hang em all from the nearest lamp post, or whatever structure is higher than their necks – preferably a few feet higher. It don’t need to be very high, just high enough to clear their dangling feet off the ground.

        Reply
        1. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

          I will gladly assist you in building the gallows when our popular vote proves ineffective to our goals.

          Reply
          1. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

            Careful, you pussy…

            Those people are the ones with all the guns, remember?

            Is that why you are trying to take their guns? So then you can assist in building the gallows?

            Now – try to describe how different you are than the people you rail against.

            Pussy.

            Reply
          2. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            Go fuck yourself you piece of shit asshole.I’m sure that I have successfully defended myself in altercations that I did not start for the sixty one years that I’ve been living.First of all they are not the only ones who are well armed.I would gladly forego the construction of those gallows for the pleasure of blowing off a few heads,starting with yours.Or if you prefer,since you call Pussy,I would deal your death barehanded.

            Reply
          3. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            And well-deserved it will be. Amen!

            Reply
          4. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            My – what a fearsome Facebook ass-kicker you are!

            I think it is simply astounding that you liberal “intellectuals” think yourselves superior to those backward, brainwashed conservatives while simultaneously demonstrating by your illiterate, profane responses – that your side is worse than theirs by far.

            You are a profane coward and a pussy.

            The typical nutless, leftist parrot in this country spouts constantly of “tolerance, equality, fairness”, etc. etc. and in the same breath people like you talk about hanging and blowing people’s heads off.

            You are the morons that Orwell writes about. Not even enough knowledge of your own liberty and your own Constitution to realize that you blaspheme it with every word you speak.

            The entire liberal utopian fantasy is built on sand – why? Mostly because people like you would unwittingly destroy it before you realized what you were doing.,

            Kinda like what you are doing to our Constitution and our liberty….

            Reply
          5. Mike Rubin June 24, 2013

            And the entire Republican dyspeptic fantasy is built on a dead-souled, compassionless, narcissistic, self-absorbed, “I got mine,” “not my brother’s keeper,” anti-social-compact, cheapfuck, objectivism. Between your strawmen and your ‘destroying our Constitution and our liberty” meme, you’ve confirmed our stereotypes. Thanks. Have a nice day.

            Reply
          6. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Oh – you admit that you stereotype? I didn’t think liberals did that – I thought they had to pass the “God test”. You know the one – the one where you give yourself the right to decide what to hand out to your favorite stereotype, after you take it from your least favorite stereotype…

            But – that’s not Hitler or Stalin or Mao, is it? – that’s you just knowing what is truly best for everyone – like Hitler, Stalin and Mao….

            And you, being the “compassionate, lively souled, selfless ” individual that you are – encourage the masses to turn their lives their fortunes and their sacred honor over to you…

            I don’t think so, Mr. Butt-face…

            The Constitution was written to prevent people like you from getting control of the government.

            The Russians, the Chinese – even the Ecuadorians are all laughing at the impotent Hussein OBama. They know he is a pussy – just like you are.

            Until he secures enough power – then he becomes a demon.

            Reply
          7. Mike Rubin June 24, 2013

            Wow, pots and kettles, dude. But now, mom wants her computer back, so go out and spend some time in the yard. The sun is lovely today.

            Reply
          8. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Looks like you have put up the white flag……dude.

            Possibly now you will have time to look for a job, now that you have discovered that formulating an opinion is too much of a challenge for your long neglected brain cells.

            Now for some more legal hemp and pornography… Judging from your lack of ability to write, I would venture a guess that’s where your main field of excellence lies.

            Reply
          9. Mike Rubin June 24, 2013

            Oh, that’s clever, in a subby little frat boy “oh, spank me” kinda way, Since my pate is so addled with legal hemp and pornography, I know you won’t take any of my prose seriously, so I instead refer you to sterling examples that will be infinitely easier for you to take to heart. http://progressivepopulist.org/2013/04/12/15-of-the-dumbest-political-facebook-posts-from-right-wingers-face-palm-alert/

            Reply
          10. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            And now you refer me to someone else’s writing as your web comrades rush to your aid.

            Your humiliation is complete.

            You got nothin’…….dude.

            Reply
          11. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

            Reply
          12. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Fits you to a “T.”

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Reply
          13. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            And you resort to the dictionary to fill in the blanks that you cannot seem to fill with your own intellect.

            That means all of you little National Memo “Sidewinders” are trolls, since you were the first ones off topic, and you cannot even remember the firing sequence.

            You should leave the battlefield as well – before you have to tell your boyfriend that its his turn to wear the pants tonight.

            Reply
          14. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].
            They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous,
            or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat
            room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
            response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Fits you to a “T.”

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Reply
          15. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            At least I can use one. And unlike yourself I have a need to provide true and correct answers. You just scream whatever nonsense comes to your little evil mind as true. Ignorant, arrogant a-hole.

            Reply
          16. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            More profanity.
            The hallmark of your vocabulary.

            Reply
          17. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            You dishonest SOB. Hypocrite.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          18. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            More name calling?
            Now, who is demonstrating who they really are?

            Reply
          19. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            What about that do you not understand?

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          20. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            You are showing your idiocy again. Rant, rant, rant, whine, whine, whine, See how easy it is to make a point AS VALID as the one you just tried to make. . . .

            Reply
          21. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            This is a tough one to respond to. I feel like I should call your two daddies or something and tell them to get you into a rehab facility ASAP.

            Reply
          22. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Fits you to a “T.”

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Reply
          23. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            I happen to know that the percentage of gun owners is roughly the same with us Liberals. The difference is we are not bragging and making bizarre, paranoid threats all the time. We have not misplaced our penises and confused our gun for them. You should keep that in mind, dirtbag.

            Reply
          24. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Dear Mr. Confused Penis,

            I am not saying you misplaced your penis. I am saying you never had one.

            That is why you would not be able to tell what the thing was that I had stuck in the small of your back. Until you felt it go off, that is…

            Either way, “Cleanup on Aisle 4″…

            See you at Wal Mart.

            Reply
          25. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            I do not shop there, never, but please do a good job of greeting the Senior Citizens.

            Reply
          26. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            I never accused you of shopping there.

            I am accusing you of being the retarded greeter…

            Reply
          27. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            I hope you enjoy your circle jerk, jerk.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].
            They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous,
            or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat
            room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
            response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          28. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            The question is, “Are you enjoying it?”

            You are on all fours at the center point of the circle.

            Reply
          29. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            After reviewing your, and my, posts. I see I have not too much to fear. You have been insulting since you have been here.

            YOU REALLY HAVE A STRANGE FIXATION ON MALE GENITALIA. Why is that?

            Reply
          30. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            I plead “horrible fascination”… it is simply that the one in your mouth is so obvious…

            Its like trying to avert my gaze from a snake swallowing a mongoose.

            Reply
          31. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          32. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            Oh, how original. You bring up the insult, I beat you by finishing it. And then you steal it. A fine specimen of a Republicon you are. You should have went into business.

            Reply
          33. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            I will add that humor seems to be lost on you. Just for you I would put a little pine tar on the rope. Just so it will tighten slower. So maybe, you will choke a little longer. . . .

            Damn, I’m doing it again! But it is fun.

            Reply
          34. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            I’m told that piano wire works supremely well for neck stretching,though rather fast for your purposes.Barbed wire would do nicely if not tied too tightly.

            Reply
          35. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I have heard of piano wire being used on the genitals. Of course, we may not be able to use the technique on this jerk.

            Reply
          36. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            No balls at all?

            Reply
          37. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Well, maybe they do but I left my magnifying glass and tweezers at home. So it goes. It brings to mind an old saw. All cock and no balls.

            Reply
          38. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            So – while you two dancers exercise each other’s pelvic regions, the world will somehow get on without this extraordinary exchange of profound thought.

            Reply
          39. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            Arrogant, ignorant a-hole.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

            Reply
          40. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Maybe you could choke on my confused penis, as you so sensuously describe in another of your prize-winning missives…

            Reply
          41. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            If that is the best you can do, then I have done proud. Anyway, I have never choked on imagination before. Don’t think I have anything to worry about.

            And I freely admit, your post was not worth replying to, but I wanted you to know that I read and appreciated it.

            Reply
          42. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Another liberal self contradiction…

            Declaring my note “not worth replying” to while replying to it… A “wonderment of nature” that you guys never seem to tire of contradicting yourselves.

            As you say – “you have done proud”. Whatever the hell that means….

            Reply
          43. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Well, if you ever read what you wrote, or could read, or had enough sense to, then you would see that it was just an eighth-grade insult. Absolutely, no content to respond to. Of course, you will have something lame to say about this post, but that is not news. No contradiction, but even if it was it proves that you have nothing really to discuss. I am quite proud of exposing you as you really are. The real reason for my satisfaction is the fact that you are losing your temper. Never mind objectivity, you never had that anyway, but you are losing that smugness.

            It begs the question, are you stupid or just obtuse? Of course, you are both and therefore unqualified to give an intelligent, honest answer.

            Reply
          44. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Speaking of no content – please refer to your last post…

            And your admission to seeking satisfaction simply by trying to get people to lose their temper is exactly why liberal or socialist philosophy will eventually be regarded by history as merely a fad – a passing fancy on its way to the dung heap of the ages.

            Why? Simply because, for all your posturing and blustering – what you intellectual toddlers call “liberalism” or “progressivism” doesn’t work. It has been proven that when a government increasingly takes from those who produce and gives to those who do not produce, the culture eventually collapses, when all the borrowing and printing is no longer able to keep a nation propped up.

            So, it comes as no surprise that you choose eighth grade communication as your high water mark… You simply like to think of yourself as sophisticated because you have been taught to holler “racist!” every time a real issue arises and it makes you feel discerning and somehow – important, although you really do not know why…

            Reply
          45. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Actually, without preaching a sermon, what I said was, “I only trouble the troublemakers.” I said variously, “that I hated (or despised) bullies. Then I admitted to much of what you have said as the “tools” I employed to accomplish those tasks. In other words, if you were not a liar with sociopathic tendencies, a bully, and a person that came here just to troll and hypocritically do exactly what you accuse me of doing (in my case, with cause), THEN you would not have heard one cross word from me. Only an idiot and a liar would wonder why I am treating you like I do! The rest of your post is just more hypocrisy and spin to blame the fact that you got disrespect in return for you disrespect. You are the one that started the name calling over a certain male appendage. That is exactly the way eighth-grade boys often talk. As far as hollering “racist,” YOU ARE. I have as much right to note same as you have a right to be one.

            Reply
          46. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            So much for not preaching a sermon…

            And too late for the “cross words” gambit as well.

            It was you or one of your dancing liberal mutual masturbators who responded with name calling, and now you are back-peddling like a circus clown.

            Racist is one of the favorite words of gibbering liberal idiots such as yourself. You think that word is the trump card for every argument you engage in.

            But – no explanation or excuse from you is required. That is not something a man would do. Now that we have established which side of THAT line you are on, take your punishment like a cross-dressing dancing queen, you insufferable, small, insignificant, whimpering little cockroach…

            Reply
          47. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            If all you are here to do is create a disruption then, fuck you.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1]. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          48. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            Profanity, then cut and paste.
            Profanity, then cut and paste.
            Profanity, then cut and paste.

            Exactly – the product of a creature bereft of meaning or viability.
            In other words, a liberal.

            At least, you left out the sermon…

            Reply
          49. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            Arrogant, ignorant a-hole.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They
            may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or
            off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room,
            or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
            response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

            Reply
          50. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            I am not in to conspiracies like your mob is, but your syntax and word usage does suggest you are a “twin” of mike’s. Or maybe, a clone, or maybe, you are mike.

            Reply
          51. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            AND as I predicted, you did have something lame to reply. You seem to have a knack of making the obvious arcane.

            As to what, “you have done proud” means. Simple. You are wound up wasting your time just picking at every little thing and are producing no coherent content. Another way to look at it is, if any normal person reads your post, they do not need to look at my response. You make yourself look like a total idiot. I do not need to say one word. As I said, I just wanted you to know that I was still here. Otherwise, you are making my points for me. Best of all worlds for me!

            Reply
          52. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            It’s worse than I thought…

            Now you think you are a prophet. At least, that’s something. It means you believe in something besides the God of Social Deterioration. Not that you don’t believe in that god as well.

            You “threatened” to stop responding a long time ago. Does that mean you are a liar or simply emotionally weak and unable to admit that you are too insecure and too much of a pussy to carry out your own declared intentions?

            You are indeed a classic liberal.

            Reply
          53. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            You have lost these arguments so many times, from now on we will be on topic. Regardless of your views on posting anything you want without ever having to listen.

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

            Reply
          54. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

            Yo’ mama, and sure were gooooooood.

            Reply
          55. Sand_Cat June 23, 2013

            Good work, tough guy.
            That make your penis grow to a whole 2 inches?
            Tolerance does not require one to embrace cruelty and willful ignorance.

            Reply
          56. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Interesting how you liberal are always comparing things to your appendages.

            You must be sexually liberated and a worker of many marvelous deeds with your amazing instruments of penile extravaganza.

            Maybe that can assist you in winning arguments in the world of the intellectually tortured (I mean liberal), but does not get you far in the world of real thought.

            And you call names and hurl insults, then accuse the objects of those same insults of cruelty and willful ignorance.

            No argument necessary here – you have just defeated yourself with your own words. Don’t worry – you are not alone – most liberals do the very same thing…

            Reply
          57. suburbancuurmudgeon June 23, 2013

            HAHAHAHAHA! You only have guns because you are chickenshits in real life.

            Reply
          58. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            …and I hear they are quite effective when hunting curmudgeons…

            Reply
          59. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            In your dreams. I don’t boast about toting guns. I prefer more discretion.

            Reply
          60. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            …and neither do most conservatives boast…
            Most only get involved enough to speak up for their liberties as upheld in the Constitution and for your “gun toting” rights as well.

            Reply
        2. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

          I’d rather hang them where their tiptoes will only just touch the ground. Give them time to “hang around” and reflect for awhile.

          Reply
          1. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

            …more of that liberal “love n” tolerance”, which makes you socialists SO MUCH DIFFERENT than the conservatives you villify…

            Reply
          2. Irishgrammy June 22, 2013

            What is everyone discussing here, you fool. The GOPTP’s total indifference to poor children, in fact all children in every one of their ideological perversion of ideas. People joke, because if they didn’t they would be furious all the time with what the Republicans are doing in DC as well as red states…..and don’t think there won’t be a price to pay in 2014! Vilifying the GOP is one of the easiest things to do, it’s almost required if for no other reason than a catharsis………The GOPTP give Liberals, Hell, human beings who have a soul, so many reasons with their insane archaic positions. So get off the phony indignation trip… There are solid reasons people are protesting all over the country against these draconian bills being passed in the middle of the night in red state legislatures. If there is one thing the GOPTP is accomplishing is lighting a fire under every thinking Liberal, Independent and Moderate Republican in the country with their far right ideological agenda. 2014 cannot come soon enough!!!

            Reply
          3. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            You are a big city girl, unless I miss my guess…

            A pompous parasite who derides the host that they suck off of. And you have a soul (congratulations,you egomaniac) … And of course, not one single conservative does.. You should be ashamed of yourself.

            Indifference to children? Are you kidding me? Millions of abortions per year and you talk about indifference to children? Now that liberal government policies have destroyed half the American families, you want to turn around and blame it on the conservatives and their “insane, archaic positions…” taken by conservatives?

            You are in for a big surprise in 2014. Many liberals are now fighting through their denial and admitting that the president and his traveling circus could be the worst in U.S. history.

            I think that is what 2014 will show.

            Name calling won’t do you any good – but if it makes you feel better about your false religion, do it while it still tastes good to you.

            Reply
          4. Irishgrammy June 24, 2013

            You are wrong on all of your inane “points” except one, I am a female. “A pompous parasite who derides the host that they suck off of”…….really…..did you use your dictionary to insert every nasty word you could find and suggest I must be a “big city girl” and living off the “Federal Government” by that insult, as I sit here laughing how ridiculously far from the truth that comment is and yet, that would be your first “thought” and response, I can clearly see where your mind dwells………….But let’s be honest, you don’t really care if you are right or wrong, you just love to attack and insult…….That’s why you are here on The National Memo, a Liberal site, with Liberals posting…….You, from reading your many comments here, you just love to insult for the sake of insult, attack for the sake of attack. I am not going to change your twisted mind, and your hateful comments certainly are not going to influence mine. Your words to so many here are laced with such vile rhetoric, and a mindless devotion to the new form of “Conservatism” which is quite frankly an anathema to what Conservatism and good Conservatives used to represent, as to be an utterly pointless exercise in futility. You make ridiculous assumptions casting aspersions that sound “good” to you, but have absolutely nothing to do with truth, reality, and how could it, you do not personally know the people posting here…..so what other reason to post insults and your fantasy characterizations other than your rage and anger, attempting to justify your far right ideologies, nasty generalizations of all Liberals and/or Progressive policies as being from the pit of Hell, and from what I see, frustrations that no one here likes you, certainly they do not respect you and clearly does not or never will agree with you…….EVER.

            Reply
          5. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            You start your response with insults and expect none in return? That sure reinforces the stereotype of “progressive hypocrite”…

            No one accused you of living off the Federal Government. Do you feel convicted?

            A liberal site? Are you afraid of a different opinion? Is that why you begin your missive with an insult? Because in reality, this is just an orgy of liberals jerking each other off emotionally and a conservative hand on the appendage leaves you in need of a spiritual shot of Viagra?

            Why didn’t you just say so? I thought that ALREADY! You could have saved me an ENORMOUS amount of liberal bashing!

            Respect from people like you would be even more of an insult than the one you began your last writing with. Your own selfishness and insecurity shout at you, but you are too mad with affection for your Liberaligion to see the truth.

            Try starting out your next letter without an insult, you insufferable brain donor. Possibly you will get a kinder response.

            As you said – Fool!

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          6. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            I did not realize that sniffing an elephant’s ass would get you that high.

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          7. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            Of course it does…

            After simply being in the same house with your mother, even the most hardened trash-pickers have had to be taken by ambulance to methadone clinics just to come down from the “proximity high” or the sudden withdrawal would have killed them…

            Get it, Mr. Butt Face? Withdrawal!

            …stupid bastard…

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          8. Russell Byrd June 25, 2013

            By the way the topic is “GOP Ignores Children Once They’re Outside The Womb.”

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].
            They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous,
            or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat
            room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
            response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

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          9. InsideEye June 27, 2013

            Why not wait till 21 weeks….or better yet, full term as the Doc in Philadelphia. , any one who waits 20 weeks before an abortion is not worthy to have a child anyway…..a complete idiot. It is used for failed contraception techniques and therefore should be paid by the bearer. …not under the guise of ” female health” issues. Abortion should be mandatory in large cities for such ignorami. As much as I am against it. It may be the best for all of society than propagating more stupid subhumans….that take up space.

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          10. Mulligatonney June 27, 2013

            How about making a 2nd abortion contingent upon an agreement for automatic sterilization?

            I do agree with you – its the stupid people that are reproducing at alarming rates. Look at Southern California. And you are correct again – the big cities. Where the entitlements are more easily accessible and the families are more broken apart.

            And now, apparently – according to the Supreme Court, you don’t even have to be a citizen to vote.

            God help us.

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          11. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            You know, dirtbag. It would never have come up if your hateful, vicious, little self (and your ilk) had not plopped down on our doorstep.

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          12. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Impressive.

            You used “ilk” – a favorite word for the priests of the religion of progressivism.

            Hopefully this is a website where a person can freely express his opinion… I realize you are more comfortable in your “circle-jerk” of anti-conservative feel good talk, but every now and then, it may give you an opportunity to expand your vocabulary beyond “ilk”…

            Although after reading your magnificent use of the word “ilk”, I must confess I feel totally abused rhetorically.

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          13. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Oooooooh, you are just soooooo schmart. If all you can carry on about is words and language use, then your ideology, at least what passed for one, is totally bankrupt.

            And, again, I had no need to reply, but I did want you to know how much I valued your opinion. Please think of the word “moon.” That should be more in line with what you can understand.

            So while good words like progressive and liberal lead us forward and give us good things, you can remain and wallow in that pool of shit with your butt buddies, all by yourselves. GOOD BYE.

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          14. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

            Glad you like us so much. Once again, you totally misuse your terminology. What’s the matter, mommy take away your dictionary?

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          15. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Another Pulitzer candidate – my goodness, I had no idea there were so many pure intellectuals on this website…

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          16. suburbancuurmudgeon June 23, 2013

            Sorry, but it’s impossible to tolerate hateful assholes.

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          17. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            You know I am starting to wonder if we should be calling them assholes. I mean I have one and it is no where near as bad as some of these people.

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          18. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            They are a bunch of lowlife stinky sphincters.

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          19. suburbancuurmudgeon June 23, 2013

            LMFAO! Good one.

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          20. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            That’s because most of you liberals wear your glasses on the wrong end. Or should I say monocle?

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          21. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            My sentiments exactly!

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          22. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            No need to whine…

            So – you only tolerate people that you like? Or that are not hateful? Or the other?

            What kind of tolerance is that? Have you looked up the word “tolerance”?

            You guys are making this too easy…

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          23. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            Why should I tolerate a hateful asshole when you can’t tolerate liberals? I’m not intolerant of people based on their race, religion or economic status, something that is rampant among conservatives (Mitt Romney and the 47%). I despise people on the basis of how they act as human beings. That’s why dissing conservatives is shooting fish in a barrel.

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          24. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            That is simply not true.
            You have been told by intolerant people with political agendas as well as politicians that conservatives are intolerant. And apparently, you believe them – but that is your choice, even if it isn’t true…. That is called “contempt prior to investigation”.
            And again with your name calling while simultaneously explaining your tolerance and trying to label yourself “altruistic”.
            You are absolutely intolerant. And further, you are intolerant concerning all the things you just vehemently denied being intolerant of…although there are many more things to be intolerant of.
            And still, you miss the point…

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          25. Michael Kollmorgen June 22, 2013

            Ha:) I was going to suggest that method. But, alass, I didn’t want to seem too perverted.

            Emmmmm what a wonderful thought though………………

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          26. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            Can we crop their tongues and castrate them too,huh? Can We Please,Can We?

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          27. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            Oh well, alright, if you just have to. Make sure you clean up afterward. The incinerator is on standby. . . .

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          28. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            Careful now,we wouldn’t want to get nailed for air pollution.

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          29. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            Please proceed.

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          30. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

            Just chain them to the bumper of a pickup truck and go trolling for gutter gators.

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        3. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

          But – upon closer scrutiny – that is what the Democrat Party is doing to the poor and uneducated.

          Cultivating them like a crop for their votes.

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          1. Michael Kollmorgen June 22, 2013

            You’d probably be on that hit list too.

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          2. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

            …and possibly you are someone’s list as well.

            Pussy.

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          3. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            I wish you had balls enough to come to Alex Bay,N.Y. and say that to my face,you lowlife piece of fascist pigshit.On the slim chance that I lost in that confrontation,it would still be worth it to pound your face for a while.

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          4. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Looks like I have taken you out of your game – but it isn’t much of a trick to anger a retard.

            Sorry to say, you would lose the fight as well – but why don’t you send me a picture of yourself so I can look you up the next time I travel to Bolshevik country?

            You liberal, tolerant types would never threaten people would you? That would be mean and, and, and, – like a CONSERVATIVE, wouldn’t it? And we know how you hate them…

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          5. Michael Kollmorgen June 23, 2013

            OH, I’m sure I am:)

            But, I think people would sooner erase people like you than they would me.

            That’s OK though. IF there is a HELL, Vegas Odds are – you’re going to be there first.

            Enjoy your Journey.

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          6. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            You have already erased yourself by your own words…

            Hanging, murdering and sending people to hell – the gentler side of liberalism, yes?…

            This is why the conservative (and many democrats as well) doesn’t want you to have his guns or know that he has them…

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          7. Michael Kollmorgen June 24, 2013

            I’d like to also add;

            Let’s be honest about this. IF given the perfect opportunity to carry it out, you would more than likely destroy me for what I stand for, as surely as I would destroy you for what you stand for.

            As I am also a human beast, I would take that preemptive strike and do it first, if necessary to preserve my way of life and my beliefs.

            The Human “Beast” that is in each and every one of us, whether we like to admit it or not, automatically dictates this as just one of many methods of survival. Like it or not, we all are born killers if left with no other choices.

            This is also why I believe there is no hope for humanity. We WILL destroy ourselves one way or the other eventually.

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          8. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Okay, let’s be honest.
            I have absolutely no desire to destroy you or what you believe in. I do have an instinct to defend myself, and my beliefs, however…
            Destroying you and your beliefs would lead to a nation of pure conservatives… We already know what a far-right nation looks like, as well as a far-left one.
            I do believe in humanity.
            What do you suppose is the NUMBER ONE sin of humans?

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          9. Michael Kollmorgen June 24, 2013

            I appreciate honestly. Thanks:)

            I consider GREED the #1 Sin of mankind. Lust For Power takes a close second place.

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          10. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            I always say self-centeredness – that’s almost the same thing.
            All the other subsets of sin are included in that one.

            “Pride goeth before a fall” Proverbs.

            Too far right or too far left both equal tyranny, despotism and the murder of millions.

            America traditionally has always been somewhere to the right of center. It has lurched to the left recently, which I think has caused a lapse in the social discipline necessary to maintain a strong culture and a strong economy.

            Our Founders thought this way, which is why many of their writings (including the Federalist Papers) talk about government being a “necessary evil” and fought to keep its power limited.

            Because they knew men were greedy, self-centered and lusted for power. All men.

            Our government is way too big and has way too much power over and into the private lives of the people it works for.

            That is the entire point.

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          11. Michael Kollmorgen June 24, 2013

            Who can say if we are too far left or too far right.

            Either party will claim their form of victory if they can prove it without any recourse for further investigation.

            I believe we “might be” a bit too far left. But, my reasoning if I stated it, would piss off a lot of women and more than a few bleeding hearts on either side of the isle……….

            Yes, our government is infringing on many of our private lives, no doubt about that. But, I firmly believe it’s not the federal government that is causing most of our problems. It IS the state government(s) hands down. There is no contest between the states and the feds when it concerns how each governmental entity, on its own, affects each and every one of our lives. After all, which entity has the most direct contact with us and controls us the most? Certainly not the feds, but the state.

            This is why I have been saying for years, if you’re going to clean house, you have to start from the local level and work our way up the ladder.

            This might seem counter-intuitive. But, this is the truth.

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          12. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            That is a little difficult to evaluate – One can always choose a different state to move to when one doesn’t like what their local and state governments are doing, but the Federal government can take away your freedom as a society. As a culture.

            And – I think I may have an idea what some of your reasoning might be – and if it has to do with an elected politician thinking from a nurturing and giving standpoint vs. a position of strength and practicality, it is a very valid point.

            And one of the contributing factors in the dramatic swing to the left over the last 50 years that we have witnessed and the situation we now find ourselves in.

            It is not a statement of discrimination. It is a statement of fact.

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          13. Michael Kollmorgen June 25, 2013

            I hope I’m thinking what you think I’m thinking because you’d be totally correct.

            Well, that is true, at one time. Sure, you could have moved to a different state and started all over again. But, that was many years ago. I moved out of Ohio to three different states back in the 70s; Florida, Arizona and California.

            Florida was great, but the wages even back then were horribly low. So, I left there as fast as my butt could run. Arizona was nice. California, ha, if I had to do it over again, I would have never left. In just about any situation, family obligations forced me back to Ohio.

            I consider Ohio to be the Black Hole of the United States, putting it as politically correct as I can.

            Here is the thing about doing something like that. Times were very different back then. Jobs were plentiful, wages were pretty good too for a guy such as myself who only had a high school diploma and with some knowledge in the machining industry.

            It ain’t so easy anymore to just pick up and go.

            The people who are leaving Ohio, in droves, are the young, the educated and people with a solid career and do lots and lots of planning before hand. And, these people are happy they left and have no intention of ever looking back.

            I’d also like to add, there are many people not only leaving their state, but the country as a whole. They are smart enough to know not to get caught with their pants down and no where to go when this country finally does go totally to pot.

            Many of these people are highly educated, mostly scientist, engineers who don’t want to waste their talents here. And, honestly, I don’t blame them either. I would do the same under other circumstances than the one I current exist in.

            Ohhh, about 15 years ago, I think it might have been Argentina, their government was recruiting people who had ANY bachelors degree to teach in their school systems. Long term contracts, twice as much salary as they were getting here (in US Dollars), provided a real nice home too.

            I saw it in the paper, sent for the application. I didn’t qualify only because I didn’t have a degree. I knew I wouldn’t anyway. But, what the hell, I wanted to find out if it was a real opportunity. And, it was!

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          14. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            Understood…

            It is also difficult to evaluate how close to the tipping point America is.

            Our country has an ENORMOUS capacity to absorb the kind of social and economic punishment that this administration is doing to it. Not to exclude previous administrations, but this one is the worst one from my perspective.

            And – again in my opinion, the worst part of it is that the present people in power are doing it deliberately. No one can be this stupid, or even if they are, they would not be allowed to be that stupid by their staff (theoretically)…

            Even though I remain optimistic that our voting population will realize that the empty promises made to them in 2008 are only illusions, our capacity to absorb the neglect and abuse is not infinite, and the abuse has been taking place for fifty years under most of the Presidents. For votes. For power.

            For greed, as you previously stated.

            Notice how the OBama Administration and the politicians running for office have stopped talking about the debt all of a sudden?

            The debt is still there – growing and very dangerous, despite the liberal claim that money is merely fiat and therefore presents no real imminent danger.

            It’s 2013 – Elections are just around the corner and the politicians don’t want to complicate their incumbency by addressing such a bothersome thing as the debt. They are closing ranks.

            Black Hole indeed – Apparently, Johnson lost the War On Poverty. I think it was due to greed.

            Hang in there – there is a shift in the political winds in this country – the politicians are having a really tough time spinning the truth with what has happened over the last few years. Nothing they said is proving true – and eventually, even many of the cult members will come to realize this.

            I think most of us have finally had enough.

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          15. Michael Kollmorgen June 25, 2013

            I remember back in the 70s or so. Inflation was, I think around 9% or 10%. BUT, EVERYONE was working, everyone had tons of money to blow. Ever since, according to government figures, the inflation rate is extremely low, some might even say O, the economy is barely doing anything, yet Wall Street is Booming.

            To me inflation wasn’t a bad thing in that respect.

            As far as the Debt, its really nothing more than Confetti. It’ll be passed along for the next generation and the next and the next. We won’t collapse because of that. People will still keep working, wages will have to improve or else.

            Who ever owns that debt will control us eventually. It will probably be China too. We’re the ones that created Communist China during WW2, then Nixon “opening up” china to american corporate greed.

            The only country who has woken up the Sleeping Dragon is the United States.

            And, we’re all going to pay one hell of a price for that one of these days.

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          16. demz taters June 22, 2013

            You’re right…the poor and uneducated should vote for the party that opposes a mandatory minimum wage, workers’ rights, education funding and universal health care.

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          17. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            You actually have a point – rare on this website.

            But ask yourself – Johnson declared war on poverty over 50 years ago… If the Democrat Party was interested in lifting the poor out of their misery (which is still a fairly high standard compared with most of the world), and providing them with good education and good jobs – why has this not been accomplished?

            Could it be that they know they have a dependable block of voters that will put them in office time after time because they can point to their situation and blame it on the Republicans? Where is the education they promised? Where are the jobs? They have the poor, uneducated and minorities on the ropes, right where they want them.

            …voting for them repeatedly out of fear of what the dreaded Republicans “will take away from them” instead of being encouraged to be independent and make their own living.

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          18. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            Unlike your fundamentalist knuckle draggers who were bought off with the construction of a few well placed mission churches,the poor don’t require cultivation. Assholes like yourself belonging to the Death Party give them all the motivation needed to gravitate to the opposition.

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          19. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Then, do away with entitlement spending, butt-face.

            See how long you get away with THAT. You have gotten them so dependent upon government money, many of them no longer know how to take care of themselves.

            Oh! I forgot my manners…

            I meant – Mr. Butt-face…

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          20. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Teatard slogan spoon fed into the mouths of idiots by their spank daddies. Signifies nothing.

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          21. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Another sublime literary achievement by the best of the intellectuals on this website.

            You ought to submit this for a Pulitzer – just like your long-legged Mack Daddy Hussein OBama, who received a Nobel Prize for – what was it again? Picking the NCAA Tournament winner?

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        4. whodatbob June 23, 2013

          Be sure to hand the knuckle draggers arms don’t reach the ground.

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    5. highpckts June 22, 2013

      At the same time, they cut sex ed in schools, ban any talk of contraceptives! It seems to me they have the cart before the horse! If kids were given free access to contraceptives and sex ed. wouldn’t that somewhat negate the need for abortions?

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      1. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

        A popular reply to that intelligent argument is that the education and distribution of contraceptives promotes immoral behavior. In knuckle dragger lingo that would translate as ” We don’t want our kids runnin’ round an’ fuckin’ like bunnies.”

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      2. plc97477 June 22, 2013

        The gop would just as soon no one was having sex except of course themselves. I think that is why they spend so much time trying to describe real rape.

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      3. Mike Rubin June 22, 2013

        That matters not to them. There’s something in their makeup that requires these fetuses to be used as shaming devices. No matter that they call themselves “pro-life”; they merely are “forced birthers.” For all the talk about “murdering innocent babies,” these folks show themselves as degenerate phonies who are ruled by such a pathological hatred of sex that they gladly inflict unwanted children on women who dare have non-procreational sex, just as though those children were modern scarlet letters. There’s nothing more and nothing less to their concern about fetuses than that. It also explains their opposition to sex education and contraception.

        The ONLY interest whatsoever that these New Puritans have in the fetuses they won’t prevent from being conceived and require to be born is to use them as scarlet letters; otherwise, they are the usual dead-souled, compassionless, self-absorbed, narcissistic, “not my brother’s keeper,” “I got mine,” anti-social compact, cheapfuck objectivist Republicans who lose all interest in children the moments the heads crown. These same “anti-murder” activists work incredibly hard to ensure that no unwanted child is given prenatal care or is fed, clothed, housed, educated, or cured of disease on their dimes.

        At the end of the day, do you know who their sexual pathology hurts the most? It’s the unwanted kids they want to inflict on people who don’t want them.

        If there’s a God, surely He or She is saving a very special place in hell for phony degenerates like these people. They should take their pathology out of public policy and get it to where it belongs: the therapist’s office. They are unspeakably cruel and the only thing they hate more than sex is the children they require be born.

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        1. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

          “forced birthers”, I LIKE that one.

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        2. FredAppell June 23, 2013

          Your post is brilliant. It matters not to conservatives that people
          will have sex no matter what, only that every embryo has to be carried to full term. They don’t give a crap about the hardships that child may face in life. Conservatives are constantly preaching about personal responsibility. When a women has an abortion, isn’t she in fact exercising some form of personal responsibility? I don’t appreciate their portrayal of women being too willing to have an abortion without giving it a
          lot of thought first. Women aren’t treating it like it is as easy as going to get their nails done.

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        3. Independent1 June 23, 2013

          What Republicans are also failing to acknowledge is that when they insist that a woman carry a fetus to term; a fetus that for her own reasons she does not feel she is in a position to carry – in addition to burdening her with an unwanted child – they’re potentially saddling her with the costs of raising that child to age 18; which is now estimated to be in the neighborhood of $275,000.

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          1. Mike Rubin June 24, 2013

            That’s actually an instrument of the punishment, having to bear that economic burden. With that figure, you’ve quantified the cost of “slut shaming.”

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      4. RobertCHastings June 22, 2013

        Especially since it has been proven in those districts that provide abstinence only sex education that teen pregnancy rates are higher, significantly, in those school districts that offer abstinence only. And when schools make the mistake of offering condoms, their parents raise hell. Kids are NOT going to practice abstinence UNLESS they attend school in sexually segregated schools and are given drugs to reduce their libidos.

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        1. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

          You may remember as I do,that back in the fifties and sixties those young and creamy,frustrated Catholic girls were some of the hottest stuff going. I ought to know as I am a recovered Catholic who walked away at the age of sixteen when the doctrine just didn’t mesh with reality and I had enough of being told that sex was evil and the domain of married folks only.Not the kind of thing that a young man with raging hormones and cum in his viens wants to hear.And niether did the girls.

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          1. RobertCHastings June 23, 2013

            While we have heard about studies touting the effectiveness of the “abstinence only” curriculum, statistics show just the opposite. On that single point there need be no discussion. Teen pregnancies, teen births, lower birth weights, greater incidence of STDs – all the signs of what would happen in society when parents and schools withdraw from their responsibilities for training young people – inevitably increase when children are NOT taught about sex. Kids (Catholic or otherwise) are going to experiment, especially when they find out how great sex is. The relatively few cases of young people actually holding out until marriage are the exception, not the norm. Teen sex is not a new phenomenon, either. If our parents and grandparents were truthful with us, we could really hear some stories. The back seat of a car was invented for a reason. Drive-in theaters were invented for a reason. And condoms were invented for a reason.

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          2. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            Robert, the pages of my mental memorial sex rolodex are spinning wildly.

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          3. suburbancuurmudgeon June 23, 2013

            Yeah, Catholic girls were known to be especially adept at blowjobs because they were “saving themselves” for marriage.

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          4. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            I can testify to that statement.In the neighborhood of one of my sweet old girlfriends,their was not a single chromed trailer hitch to be found.

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          5. suburbancuurmudgeon June 23, 2013

            AMEN Brother!

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        2. plc97477 June 23, 2013

          Don’t tell them that. I am sure they would be trying to implement it soon.

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    6. Susan Dean June 22, 2013

      I’m old enough to remember the debate on the Civil Rights Bill, and the Republican line on that–repeated ad nauseum–was “You can’t legislate morality.” And now that’s all they’re trying to do.
      Robert, I’d like to mention something that has disturbed me–your use of the word “Republicunt.” Believe me, I have the utmost respect for your opinions, and agree that almost any awful word one can think of applies to Republicans. However, “cunt” is a word that has been used for centuries to denigrate women, and I find its use in any form distressing. I can’t think of a clever alternative, but maybe we could take a phrase from the George Bush Dictionary and just call them Evil Doers, since that is what they are.

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      1. plc97477 June 22, 2013

        How would republican’t do?

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        1. Susan Dean June 22, 2013

          I’d go for that, especially since most of what they say is cant.

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      2. William Ray Walters June 22, 2013

        Would republi-bitch really have been much better? I’ve never understood why some women (not most, but some) take such offense to the word cunt. The word dick is used to describe almost exclusively men (men who are being dicks, in most cases), but men don’t seem to take offense to it at all. So why the over-sensitivity?

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        1. Susan Dean June 22, 2013

          Wouldn’t it be a better world if we could talk to each other without derrogatory language? There seems to be an increasing amount on this board, and it adds nothing to the discussion. By the way, I can’t recall ever hearing a woman use the word dick to describe a man, although I’m sure it’s probably happened. But it mostly seems to be a word men use about other men. Why the obsession with anatomical epithets?

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          1. William Ray Walters June 22, 2013

            I was just curious as to why such offense is taken to that word, that’s all. Women call guys dicks all the time, and it is certainly not a word used only by guys.

            Robert apparently feels very passionately about this subject and when people feel passionately about something they will sometimes use colorful language. To me, words are just words. I don’t personally take offense to any of them, but I can see where people would. I was just surprised that that word bothers you so much as to derail the subject of the thread to point it out, and I was curious as to why you personally are offended by it in such a way. That’s really all, I was just curious.

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          2. Jim Myers June 24, 2013

            Actually, I refer to Cheney as “DICK” quite often.
            Seems appropriate.

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          3. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I have heard quite a few women use the word. I think the use may be apt, “IT” wants what “IT” wants and has NO conscience. So I think it does describe a lot of men very well. You are right of course about the derogatory language and I am an offender. However, most of this language use is due to the “opposition.” They either start the name calling or are so disgustingly obtrusive, and especially, prolific with their postings that they invite it. Like I fairly politely told off one right-winger, that after he had changed the subject repeatedly I had no idea what the subject of the article was about. Or more simply, several of these posters just come here to stir up the group. They have come here on a Quixotic quest for no other reason than to make us angry and gain control of the group. As for myself, I use an occasional insult to try to get their attention. I have found that right-wing trolls are often extremely prolific posters, but are extremely poor readers. Of course, that may be a personal defect of mine, as I know very well “Tea” folks couldn’t care less what anyone else says. They have demonstrated that repeatedly and a showcase of that is our very own Congress.

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          4. Susan Dean June 23, 2013

            I wish we could just have a rational discussion without all the name-calling. But I agree that the TPs who post here are incapable of doing so.

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          5. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            You’d sooner have pie in the sky Susan than a rational discussion with that bunch.Notice their collective refusal of logic and reason.

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          6. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            It is just to difficult to have a real conversation with crazy people.

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          7. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Exactly, but I persist because I am not going to allow them to run me off. That is their primary goal and one which I will work to deny.

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          8. Mark Forsyth June 23, 2013

            I have observed that their comprehensional skills are lacking,especially when encountering abstract thoughts or concepts.

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          9. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            Or basic english or math.

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      3. Robert P. Robertson June 23, 2013

        If it is offense to you, Susan dean, please accept my heart felt apologies. You’re not the only female who has told me that. I have a deep and humble respect for women, so much so, it’s almost spiritual. But, as you can see just on this site and from the historical behavior of republicans, I can’t help it. But, take it from me, it is not nor has it ever been directed at women.

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        1. Susan Dean June 23, 2013

          Thank you, Robert.

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    7. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

      I must hand it to you – you surely know how to spell Republican in a unique and satirical way… You must be a University Professor or something impressive like that…

      How does the nonsense in your narrative make a moral argument for killing a baby in the womb? Its such a simple question, really… But it is definitely against the “progressive” religion to answer it directly, if at all. I suspect the reason is because you know in your conscience that it is wrong.

      But I agree – we must not legislate morality – so let us stop this practice of “morally legislating” funding for abortions with tax dollars. Provide it with your own funds. That way, those rotten conservatives cannot so easily “morally legislate” or spoil your plans to murder your own children.

      Finally, then – this “sophisticated, culturally superior” utopian society that you socialists dream of will have the opportunity to flourish unfettered by those who would oppose the practice of executing all the unwanted bastards who arise from the undisciplined debauchery of your own sexual freedoms – and you can do it over and over with absolutely no consequence.

      Or can you? The Christian religion thinks that you cannot. The Democrat religion thinks you can.

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      1. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

        Those dadburned socialist commies,fuckin’ all over the place.

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        1. Mulligatonney June 22, 2013

          A true liberal.

          Words with no meaning behind them.

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          1. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            You- a true brainless,shit eating asshole fascist pig,.the gops’favorite kind,with no meaning behind your existence besides that of serving as a bad example.

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          2. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            But he does do a good job of that.

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          3. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            I am reminded about something to do with practice .

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          4. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            You can be the White House spokesman when that Carnival Barker Carney is tossed aside.

            Toss in a bit of ebonics with that, and you could get get Hussein’s job after he is impeached.

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      2. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

        I will say this for what its worth. No Pub can ever truly be a Christian. Reading Christ’s teachings would show that it is impossible. Of course, you can hypocritically call yourself a Christian and you can thump the “good book,” but that will not make you truly a follower of Christ.

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        1. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

          Congratulations.

          You have just identified yourself as a Pharisee.

          All are welcome in Christ’s Kingdom.

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      3. 4sanity4all June 22, 2013

        Abortions are not funded by tax dollars. The government does not pay for abortions. Women do pay for their own abortions The government does not pay for abortions. By law, the government may not pay for abortions. Do I need to state it any other way?

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        1. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

          Have you read the OBama Care Bill?
          Are you kidding me?
          The pigs have already moved into the farmhouse.

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          1. 4sanity4all June 24, 2013

            The Affordable Care Act does not provide funding for abortions. It does provide access to birth control, paid for by the insurance companies. So, people will get birth control as a benefit of the insurance that THEY paid for. Which should prevent a heck of a lot of abortions.

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          2. Mulligatonney June 25, 2013

            How naive can you be? Of COURSE it funds abortions, whether direct or indirect.

            It also forces medical staff who do not believe in it to participate or lose their jobs.
            It is tyranny. And at its head – a communist despot.

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      4. Robert P. Robertson June 23, 2013

        I’d like for you to present where in the Bible it mentions abortion, or where any of the Prophets spoke of it, or where our Christ mentioned it. Don’t tell me any twisted misrepresentation about “murder” or “What you do to the least of these”. Point it out to me where it describes abortion or condemns abortion? . . , many of us are planned births between our mothers and fathers. Many more of us were unexpected. Quite a few were surprises that we call “miracles”. We are here because our parents wanted us. Many more are here because our parents accepted us and loved us just the same. But what about the hundreds of thousands of children in orphanages who will suffer from a lifelong abandonment, sadness, and loneliness becasuse a young mother was forced by poverty, rape, incest, or molestation to give them away? That is a traumatic experience for the mother and child, in many cases unbearable. What about the ones we hear on the news, babies being beaten to death, starved to death, and tortured by mothers and fathers who for reason or other has no affectionate bond for a child because there was no one, no social program, no church with an open door, no grandparents who cared enough, to teach that mother and raise a child that her circumstances began to cause her to resent and despise? The narrow prism that many of us view things through needs some revamping seriously before we condemn any woman for taking her rights to make her own decision what she wants to do. It’s not up to you, me, or politicians. She is a woman and a human being with certain inalienable rights. Her body, her decision. We need to respect that.

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        1. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

          If you are a Bible reader, you already know the question and you have already justified the killing of your baby and have decided to not call it murder.

          But only because you have declared it by your Almighty Word not to be a real human. The Bible does have a name for THAT. You have to call yourself God in order to decide that. I believe the Bible covers that quite nicely.

          …and how many potentially huge contributors are sucked out out of their mothers wombs as a form of birth control, because it is INCONVENIENT for them to take care of a kid?

          Just because your liberal doublespeak allows you to call murder for convenience the “right to choose” does not make it moral. Why then, does your philosophy allow the killer of a pregnant woman to be tried for a double homicide? You cannot make the rules up fast enough to cover your helter-skelter laws that you make up every time you want to do something the law does not presently allow.

          You guys care more for puppies than you do human babies. But it is not something the politicians should decide, I agree. I am fine with God doing the judging. Just don’t ask me to be complicit with it or participate in any way or spend any of my tax dollars to promote it.

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          1. Robert P. Robertson June 24, 2013

            I knew you were unable to answer my questions, Mulligan, because there is no spiritual answer to abortion. I understand that you, as well as any suicide-bomber and jihadist terrorist are leaning to your own understanding and misrepresent and misinterprets the Word of God. You think you have a righteous cause under the banner of God and Chrisitanity, but God has turned away from you. It will send you into the reprobation described in Romans. You will burn in your own hell.
            Besides that, you need to learn to respect other people’s humanity. If a woman chose to abort an unwanted or violence induced pregnancy, her decision is between her, God, and her doctor. If you know anything about the procedures of abortion, you would know that a woman or child or young woman requesting the procedure is counseled against it every step of the way. By the time she does go through it, it was her decision alone. Everyone should respect that. As you’ve said, it is “her right to choose”. It is not just moral, it is her inalienable right. If you don’t want to participate in it with “your” tax dollars, ask your employer to stop withholding income tax. Tell the retailer where you shop that you will not pay sales and federal taxes on the commodities you purchase and see where “your” righteous stand not to “participate” will lead you. All I can say is HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU.

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          2. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Only in the liberal mindset can the killing of a baby be equated with a commodities purchase…
            …and I am also sure, since you know God’s mind – you already know that he will congratulate you on killing what He has created and thank you for making decisions that belonged to Him.
            “Judge not, lest ye be judged”, yes? And yet – nothing but judgment and condemnation in your writing…
            This is the contradiction of the liberal of today. No actual logic at work, but plenty of judgment – and all the while accusing the other side of being judgmental…
            The Bible has a word for that as well – try “hypocrite or Pharisee”…
            “There is none righteous. No, not one”…
            That includes you.

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          3. Robert P. Robertson June 24, 2013

            See what I said. Heh-heh-heh.

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  2. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

    Republicans are not pro-life, they are pro-birth. There is a difference between the two. A party that advocates taking a peanut butter sandwich from a hungry child to make sure we have a few extra bucks to buy the latest cell phone, a party that supports the death penalty, and a party that legislates who should live – a mother whose life may be endangered by pregnancy or a fetus – does not deserve to be called pro-life.

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    1. Fern Woodfork June 22, 2013

      They Are Pro Bullshit!!

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    2. stcroixcarp June 22, 2013

      They are also pro-war and pro-gun. How can you be pro-life and also be pro-torture? How can you be pro-life and support the rights of the insane, spousal and child abusers, and mass murderers to own and use guns?

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      1. Robert P. Robertson June 22, 2013

        Beautiful perspective, my friend.

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      2. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

        I wonder sometimes if these arguments can be simplified by dividing everything into what is Human and what is animal. The liberal Human is always looking around for answers about the truth of life and the world about him. While the animal is always looking straight ahead for his next victim. They do not see, in fact they refuse to see the human wreckage about them. They are only concentrated on themselves and their base animal desire to control and accumulate, without regard for those about them. That is why Wall Street and the Banks equate in my mind the same as your impoverished local strong-arm criminal. The big difference is we punish the impoverished criminal. The rich ones thumb their nose at us

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      3. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

        …and how can you kill your own young and claim the “right to choose”?

        More liberal doublespeak…

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        1. atc333 June 24, 2013

          That is the choice of the individual forced to make it, based upon all the circumstances at the time, including the issue of how far into the pregnancy, the stages of development, medical issues of the mother, and/or the fetus,potential or real long term disabilities, financial consequences to the remainder of the family, for some not an easy decision.

          It is obviously much harder for most than the caviler manner in which the Right Wing attempts to mandate their dogma upon America, diligently cutting safety nets for the poor, defunding Planned Parenthood which provided much needed medical care to poor women, attempting to block changes in the health care laws which require contraceptives at no copay for women with health insurance (That is really GOP Insantiy, considering use of contraceptives reduce pregnancies, and therefor the number of potential abortions)

          Unfortunately, the Right Wing puts greater value upon a undeveloped fetus than it does on its young, and adult citizens for which this Nation has a very substantial investment, very callously choosing to abandon them with spending cuts and blocking programs which would restore our economy. choosing instead to continue to attempt to impose its failed economic policies upon this Nation and its people.

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          1. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            AMEN!

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          2. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            How about the cavalier manner in which people use abortion for birth control? Or the cavalier manner in which they discard their young?
            Or are you saying that all of those millions aborted every year are “real nail biters”…
            Of course, that really IS the liberal mentality – a drive-up window for everything – including the life of your child.

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          3. atc333 June 24, 2013

            For most people, choosing an abortion is not a”cavalier” choice. Most people do not chose to use abortion for birth control, after all, it is rather expensive, compared to pills or other contraceptives. Discarding their young? That is exactly what the Right Wing is doing with all of the children which you, and the Right Wing are insisting must be born, then once they come into existence, then immediately abandoned by the very GOP which out of the other side of its mouth is insisting that most safety nets must be greatly reduced or shut down, yanking the rug out from under the very children you are so concerned about after they are born.

            Put your money where your mouth is. If you want to mandate all pregnant women must bear their child no matter the consequences, then also insist that the GOP introduce legislation imposing an additional tax on all Americans to provide a designated fund for the support and care of these children (at 250k per child) you and others are insisting be brought into this world.

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          4. Wanda Davidson June 24, 2013

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          5. Mulligatonney June 24, 2013

            Sigh…

            Of course, that is not the point, you random collection of hammered synapses…

            Go ahead and have your abortions. Just do not try to justify it, legitimize it, make others out to be intolerant because they don’t believe in it, pay for it with their tax dollars, or force them to participate in it.

            Murder is a crime. You liberals worked very hard to get laws passed that allow you to murder your babies. You worked even harder and convinced yourselves that the babies were not real people. But you didn’t convince everyone. And that makes you liberals angry. Very Angry.

            Now you call those people that do not agree with you every venomous, judgemental name in the book – but you are very kind to those who agree that it is okay to kill your babies.

            But you are not kind and tolerant to those who disagree with you.

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        2. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

          The right is “TO CHOOSE” not “Have the government make the decision for you.” Big difference. How can you force women to give birth to unwanted children but then ignore those kids once they’re outside the womb?

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    3. mike June 22, 2013

      Percentage of abortions caused by health of mother or fetus-4%. AGI 2004
      Incest-.5%
      Baloney, that the right wants the mother to die.
      Talking about phones how about the Life Line govt.subsidized program. 2008, $822 million and by 2011 2.1 billion spent by govt.. Another govt. program out of control.
      FCC claiming 9% fraud.

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      1. Jim Myers June 22, 2013

        You forgot to mention the 99% fraud by the Tea Party…

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        1. plc97477 June 22, 2013

          Is it that low. I would have said higher.

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          1. Jim Myers June 22, 2013

            Thanks for the comment.

            Jim

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        2. mike June 23, 2013

          Now that is funny!!!! Wrong but funny.

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      2. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

        Are you comparing the Lifeline program put in place by the Reagan administration in 1984 to irresponsible tax breaks to people who don’t need them? The Lifeline charter is to provide information and access to programs designed to help people those whose earnings are at or below the poverty line, such as MEDICAID, temporary assistance to needy families, the National school lunch program, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Head Start, etc.

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        1. mike June 22, 2013

          Again you are off the mark again. Surprised you are not aware of this govt. program. Yes, Reagan had put into effect a program for rural areas to have phone service when there is an emergency but in 2008 cell phones were added.

          One of the names now it is Obamaphone.

          FCC say 41% are not eligible and 275,000 have more than 1 phone.

          Hell, Clarie McCaskill, D from Missouri was incensed when she got an offer of a free phone. “There is money clearly wasted here” she said on the Floor. “It sure gives the impression that govt. isn’t paying attention” she said, she wants to scrap it and start over.

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          1. Dominick Vila June 22, 2013

            For some reason your statement reminds of Reagan’s claim of a woman driving her Cadillac to collect her welfare check.
            There is fraud, waste and abuse in every government program, at all levels of government. And there is also fraud, waste and abuse in many private sector institutions and programs. The key is to identify where there is waste, correct it, and make the existing programs more efficient and cost-effective.
            Blaming President Obama for something that has been going on since long before we were born is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?
            What I have found is that the intent of most government programs is usually good, the problem is their execution and inadequate oversight. A case could be made about the fact that more effective regulation may reduce the incidence of fraud, waste and abuse, but I doubt you will agree with that. Not surprisingly, the only thing we get from the “conservative” side are claims of wrongdoing, never viable solutions.

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          2. plc97477 June 22, 2013

            One area that Obama has not gotten credit for is in eliminating fraud and waste in government. He has done more to clean up waste in our government than any president in many years.

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          3. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            I want to believe this just like you do, I really do. But, the latest first family vacation kind of blows this myth to pieces.

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          4. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            What utter nonsense – it’s people like you that make the term human being a bad word. The Obama family, has BY FAR taken less vacation THAN ANY OF THE PAST 5 PRESIDENTS. George Bush took almost as much vacation in his first 18 months in office as Obama took in his 1st 4 years. Tell me, were you adding up the millions of dollars everytime Georgie Boy flew from Washington to his Texas ranch which happened almost every two to three months??? Are you aware that Georgie tied Nixon for the longest vacation ever taken by a president when he took 30 consecutive days JUST BEFORE 9/11 happened?? I’m still trying to figure out why he just happened to be away from Washington again on the day the 9/11 attack took place when he had been back to Washington for less than a week after just returning from a 30 day vacation. Did he actually know something might happen and wanted to make sure he wasn’t at the White House???? Hmmmm!!!

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          5. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            It isn’t necessary to toss personal insult. Hit a nerve did we? It isn’t THE vacation, it is the timing of the $100 MILLION opulance, in light of the supposed hurtful cuts causing ‘children to starve’ and white house tour closures. Still comparing to Bush infriggincredible.

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          6. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            As opposed to the $1billion a day in Iraq?

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          7. angelsinca June 26, 2013

            “As opposed to the $1billion a day in Iraq?”

            The subject is the $100 million dollar extravagance during this, the ‘historic’, the Unlike Any Other, the One, the Only, The Great Recession, not the oranges in Iraq. But that’s an excellent point too. So much for promises.

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          8. suburbancuurmudgeon June 26, 2013

            When I hear you complaining loudly in the streets about the money wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, given to rapacious bankers who are STILL giving themselves lavish bonuses, and the rape of the middle class, THEN I will grant your rant about Obama’s vacation. Otherwise, go talk to the wall.

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          9. angelsinca June 26, 2013

            “THEN I will grant your rant about Obama’s vacation”

            Your concurrence is unimportant. Depicting the conservative with actions of the liberal is confusing. The fact remains that a $100 million vacation is flipping off everyone that is struggling now due to cuts and policy and mandates. Everyone. So, here’s a healthy salute to you too, Mr. President.

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          10. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            The worst waste I have ever seen is in the private sector. The difference is there are no aggrieved “tax payers” to have to explain things to. At best, small private shareholders just get the glowing reports the company brass releases to them.

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          11. jovan1984 June 23, 2013

            Me too! Time to take the UNDESERVED tax cut handouts away from the private sector!

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          12. imabrummie June 23, 2013

            There is a great deal of waste in the public sector also. For example, the department for which I work has laid off a large number of people who do the actual work but has increased exponentially the number of “management” folks who receive excessive salaries and benefits for basically doing absolutely nothing. There are now three individuals receiving at least $50 per hour to “manage” less than half the number of clerical staff of a few years ago.

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          13. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            “the only thing we get from the “conservative” side are claims of wrongdoing, never viable solutions”
            This exaggaration doesn’t carry much in the way of solution, Dominic. It is interesting to note that most suggestions from the right are summarily dissected and dismissed by the left, simply because they are from the right.

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          14. plc97477 June 23, 2013

            No simply because they will not work. And have been proven so many times.

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          15. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            “No simply because they will not work”

            Assuming you are trying to say, “Republicans won’t work”, this is plain and simple BS. It’s the LEADERSHIP that has declared the GOP the enemy. YOUR leadership in the WH. Replay the tapes, just try a different channel that isn’t slobbering all over Obama, the first black president to successfully polarize an entire nation.

            I really miss MLK. He would have made a fine president. His agenda was concise and sincere for the benefit of mankind, not just ‘his’ people. Obama just wants to make a name for himself, nevermind the exhaustive toll on the nation. Have a good safari.

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          16. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            What a lying dog. Isn’t this the one that everyone thought was Lana. Sounds like her without the vulgarity. I have to say that because I think you have outdone yourself this time. The only truth and common sense in your post are the words “the, is,” and “and.” If untruth and insincerity were damnable offenses, oops they are, then you will wind in in the lowest pit of Hell.

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          17. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            Dogs don’t lie. Look, Russy-pooh, before claiming intellectual high ground, you should ALWAYS look around to make absolutely sure you aren’t the only dumbass in the room. That was (is) Lana Ward. bye.

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          18. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            MLK would have been hung by the GOP.

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          19. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            That’s a myth.

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          20. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            Recent history indicate Democrats are more likely to work with Republicans on a variety of issues, than Republicans are to seek compromise when Democrats are pushing for legislation that is important to them. Examples range for the willingness of Speaker Tip O’Neill and the way democrats, including Hillary Clinton, surrendered and supported almost every single initiative proposed by George W. Bush after 9/11. In fact, the Democrats tendency to capitulate is one of the few concerns I have about the Democratic party.

            Yes, Dems have rejected proposals to privatize Social Security, dismantle MEDICARE, get rid of MEDICAID, and underfund social programs designed to help the middle class and the poor, but since that is one of the most important differences between the two parties., it is not surprising. The same would be true if Democrats criticized the GOP because of their position on issues such as abortion.

            As for what has happened since President Obama was elected President in January 2009, very little, if anything, has come out of the GOP other than obstructionism and criticism. There are still many issues that deserve bipartisan attention and resolution besides the core values of each party. Sadly, very little is being done to resolve them.

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          21. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            Thanks . This take sounds a little more reasonable than your previous exaggaration that Republicans NEVER offer solutions.

            To say Democrats ‘surrendered’ to the will of GW Bush isn’t entirely sincere. Maybe they agreed with the president’s policies as doing the right thing.

            BTW: Tip O’Neil, the Speaker Democrats love to hate, was able to develop partisan cooperation during his 77-87 tenure. You can (and do) blame the current GOP for the president’s difficulties in legslation progress. Perhaps the GOP and its constituents simple don’t agree with Obama’s agenda. They ARE discussing the proposals, afterall and debating them (unlike Reid shelving of all gop-sponsored bills). Cooperation with the GOP though lies in LEADERSHIP skills like Reagan and O’Neil practiced and NOT the demonization of the entire party as Obama as his devotees continue to proliferate.

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          22. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            More untruths. These groups have debunked your nonsense again and again and again, and yet here you are again espousing the same old lies.

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          23. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Let us correct the exaggeration. The Pubs offer constructive solutions every time Hell freezes over.

            Democrats did surrender even though most knew not to trust GW and his minions. It was mostly out of patriotism, which is often misplaced, and out of self-preservation, in case he was right.

            Tip O’Neil was neither that well respected nor that good, but he was a damn sight better than Boehner and company.

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          24. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            The problem is that what the GOP considers “constructive plans”, such as the privatization of Social Security, dismantling MEDICARE, getting rid of MEDICAID, cutting food stamp funding, filibustering the Veterans Jobs Bill and other such initiatives are deliberate attempts to destroy the middle class and turn the United States into a plutocracy. If opposing such “plan” is considered “demonization” I’ll have to reconsider the evils attributed to Lucifer.

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          25. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            The worst lies are about “demonization.” The right-wing media has been
            crucifying Obama since he was first elected and it is totally impossible
            to downplay the racial aspects of much of that demonization. Your mob
            will not discuss anything with anybody, except to say NO.

            Reid shelved those bills, (you exaggerate here), because all the Pubs
            want to do is filibuster by telephone. Useful debate is nearly
            impossible.

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          26. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            And THERE it is…the RACE card. It didn’t take long to play it this time.

            Since there is only one ‘right wing media’ aka FoxNews, you must be talking about the challenges to questionable policy from this administration, just as they did with the prior admins. You do not take criticism of Obama well, that is for suresies. Calling the criticism lies and then calling your opponent names is the summarizing word from the lib library of faux logic.

            Sorry Russell, but I’m getting bored again. Have a nice life, really. Bye for the last time for now…see you for the next round of Lies About Conservatives and Other Pointless Pursuits (and we really have proof this time); I’ll wander in to call BS on the con-hate.

            Next time, maybe you could just prop up your poster child of unpleasant liberals, Fern Wood. Between it and Lana, I choose neither. But I do get bigger laughs from the one that gets all up in your face when she’s stuck in the back of the bus and has nothing but hostility and insult to charm her audience.

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          27. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            You are disgusting and a racist. I can prove, and have done so before, that you are a racist by word and deed. With that being true, why should I not say so? And it is not a card, you spoon-fed, right-wing propaganda moron.

            As you say, when you show up we will start having a round of lies. Why do you mention Fern Wood? She only seems hostile to insufferable liars, such as yourself.

            Don’t let the door hit ya . . . . Time will tell if you are really gone. I doubt it, untruth is your vocation.

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          28. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            The “race card” is vaild. Try googling “Ni%%er President” and see how many hits you get.

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          29. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            “Try googling “Ni%%er President” and see how many hits you get”

            LOL. This is your ‘validation’ for invoking the race card? The results are 1) Racist Teens Forced to Answer for Tweets, 2) Woman Who Called for .. Assisin-ation, 3) one extremist racist webste, and 4) the infamous Santorum misquote.

            Most people have forgotten by now that Obama is black.. Yet, everytime you draw The Card, the racial slur pot continues to be stirred just to remind everyone the president is black. Who is stirring the racial pot, really? Honesty counts for extra points.

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          30. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            I can also point out to the opinions of the real
            Conservatives. They know their party is finished and has been corrupted
            by a bunch of obstructionist crazies. Of course, they are not heard
            from much as they are a dying breed, like the party they supported.

            Your solution to fix the lack of communication and “demonization” is for anyone that has a dissenting opinion to just shut up and let you do what you want.

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          31. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            “Of course, they are not heard from much as they are a dying breed, like the party they supported”

            Not really. They are busy working while you are busy whining about all things unlike yourself. bye.

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          32. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            My comment was true and based on fact. My comment stands. Sorry for your rotten luck. Bye, I already know that is a lie.

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          33. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            Nope, we’re all working, waiting for the GOP to finish imploding. When that happens, we’ll pull together and finish rebuilding the country from Bush’s destruction. Honestly, how can you spew all that crap and continue to believe it?

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          34. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            “we’ll pull together and finish rebuilding the country from Bush’s destruction”

            The GOP might implode, but it seems the DNC will beat them to it. The democrats have had four and half years to rebuild from the supposed destruction. It has managed to balloon the debt, hold unemployment to within 0.2 points from 7.8, witness a steady decline in the middle class wage, oversee the doubling in the price of fuel, continue to operate under a deficit, continued transfer of wealth out of the middle class, promote wars on religion, women, white men, the aged, all conservatives, assault the states with a steady stream of lawsuits and finally insult the boundaries of the constitution. ‘Nice job’ all around. Are you sure you were actually ‘working’? Facts aren’t that hard to believe, unless you disagree with them on a partisan level.

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          35. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Finally, I point to the topic of the article. Yes, THAT article above. Your wonderboys passed a law that is patently unconstitutional and did not listen to any dissent whatsoever. If I were to go on, how many times have these reasonable geniuses voted to repeal Obamacare. I have heard Pub Congressmen discuss it as a necessary “right of passage.” They need to keep doing it so that new Pub reps. can brag about it back home. Are they really listening to the American people, or their political opposition? I do not expect a rational answer from you.

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          36. Dominick Vila June 23, 2013

            Wow, and you have the nerve to talk about exaggeration? Democrats demonize the Republican party? Where have you been the last 4.5 years? Obama would be blamed if a cold epidemic struck the USA toilets stopped flushing.
            As for the way Democrats behaved after 9/11, most of them did not support Bush because they agreed with his policies, but because they were terrified of the high probability of retaliation by the master of deceit.

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          37. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            ” Where have you been the last 4.5 years?”

            Hoping for a leader to emerge that would bring the parties together for solutions. Or for someone to show Obama how to become one. I remained hopeful he was The One, up until the point that he 1) admonished the Supreme Court Justices at the SOTU address for not rubber stamping his constitutionally-challenged agenda, 2) When he appointed a gaggle of ‘czars’ without sharing the reasons or causes, 3) when he trashed America on his world tour of speeches and campaign promises (pick any trip-they are all apologetic and self depricating on OUR behalf, as he was in Germany this week), 4) When he staged actors in white lab coats to fake support by the medical community for the ppACA, as he did when he announced support for the ACA by the AARP, which they denied. The list of reasons goes much much deeper. But I don’t want to alienate you anymore than I already have.

            “Obama would be blamed if a cold epidemic struck the USA toilets stopped flushing”

            Not really. The proclivity to blame Bush (still) doesn’t allow much blame to be focused on Obama. This alone has discredited Obama in the eyes of most conservatives. The practice is immature, dodges responsibility, and demonstrates a clear lack of integrity and command expected of the president. No wonder Putin, the Irish House, China, the Saudis, the Queen Mother, and a growing list of others walk all over him. The cheesy gift probably did it for the Brits.

            “Democrats … were terrified of the high probability of retaliation by the master of deceit”

            Really? GW Bush striking FEAR in the hearts of the supposedly most intelligent party on the Hill? I had no idea you were so good at sarcasm. I barely controlled the urge to giggle since Bush is the most least likely to be threatening. If this is code-speak for Republicans being afraid of Obama, then there must a good reason for it. I claim duh on this one. I don’t get the fear factor.

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          38. Dominick Vila June 24, 2013

            Examples of overt demonization and contempt for the Office of the Presidency by the Republican party or, more accurately, by the Tea Party, range from calling a U.S. President a liar during a State of the Union address being broadcast to the entire world, to questioning his eligibility to be President by attacking his persona, from questioning his citizenship and religion, to ridiculing his scholastic record.

            The Supreme Court deserved to be reminded of the fact that their charter is to interpret the law and defend the Constitution rather than engage in politics.

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          39. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            There is no way ANYONE can bring the parties together when one party is committed to obstruction. THe GOP vowed on Day One to never cooperate with Obama.

            And, as a physician, I didn’t support ACA because I think we need a single payor. But the ACA is better than nothing.

            Frankly, I’m not sure what you DO want.

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          40. angelsinca June 26, 2013

            “And, as a physician, I didn’t support ACA because I think we need a single payor. But the ACA is better than nothing. Frankly, I’m not sure what you DO want”

            THANK YOU for asking, Doctor. As a two time near-death patient, what I want is for us to stop convincing ourselves into settling for the mediocrity of what everyone agrees is a flawed ACA, when we can do better.

            The ppACA scheme needs to be pulled back and simplified, to be centered around single payor/payer, and filled with choices using the free market to promote what Americans do best; compete. There should be more healthcare clinics than WalMarts. If healthcare is THAT important, there should be more accessible, affordable and convenient clinics than places to be entertained.

            How serious are we about the health priority, really?

            We need choices to improve our lives, not dictates. I appalud those that are willing to put the brakes on those dictates. If Democrats were the ones obstructing the wild ride to Anywhere But Here, I’d cheer them on instead of the GOP.

            Some of us would like our choices and a few reminders that this government is supposed to be (and still is) US, not those that are compelling us to do things they exempt themselves from doing.

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          41. suburbancuurmudgeon June 26, 2013

            Uh, who exactly is dictating, and dictating what? And frankly, I think choice is overrated. Americans want to think they are exceptional and they’re not.

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          42. angelsinca June 26, 2013

            ” Americans want to think they are exceptional and they’re not”

            Do they, now. These claims of American exceptionalism usually come from people that aren’t Americans or Americans that are unhappy with the actions of their government.

            “Uh, who exactly is dictating, and dictating what?”

            The dictatorial positions have been assumed by those that place restrictions on life, liberty or the pursuit of hapiness. The mandates of the ACA makes 64% of the country quite unhappy presently. After people get their first notice of wage garnishment for not having health insurance, surely more will join those ranks. That is, if people still have a wage to be garnished with the rapid contraction of the jobs market caused by the ACA.

            “frankly, I think choice is overrated”

            You would make a fine dictator

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          43. Inthenameofliberty June 29, 2013

            Well said Angelsinca. Very well said.

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          44. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Whoa, that statement is not an exaggeration and, as well, is an off-topic attempt to confuse the original discussion. Even if it were an exaggeration, it is not meant to give a solution, just identify the root cause. You people need lessons in elementary logic. Ever hear of “higher order thinking skills” that moron Texas Pubs are so hot to eliminate. You need some.

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          45. angelsinca June 23, 2013

            Thanks for off-topic insult, Byrdshit. The topic was ‘solutions’. The reply was ‘solutions’. Whenever the adjective ALL is used, it usually flags exaggaration. Dominic is honest enough to admit it, though reluctantly. Bye.

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          46. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            Republicans have no solutions.

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          47. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            “Republicans have no solutions”

            I hear an echo. This is what Mr Vila already said and is simply a partisan jab easily debunked by the sequestration approval. You may not like that ‘solution’ example, but the goal was (and still is) to manage the national debt where no other solution could be agreed on.

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          48. suburbancuurmudgeon June 24, 2013

            No, they are dismissed because dissection proves them both wrong and hypocritical. Had Gore been President on 9/11, Republicans would have been howling for his scalp.

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          49. angelsinca June 24, 2013

            “Had Gore been President on 9/11, Republicans would have been howling for his scalp”

            Hard to say, but could be true after the dissection proved him culpable of profiting from his carbon credit scheme.

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          50. imabrummie June 23, 2013

            They blame Obama because they are incapable of believing they themselves are in any way responsible for what has happened to this country and what was once a flourishing middle class. Ironic considering the majority who put these clowns in office are themselves middle class. Seems they are bent on self destruction!

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          51. Mark Forsyth June 22, 2013

            I have one of those phones you condemn.I automatically qualified when I became disabled and my income was drastically reduced. I like the phone and am grateful to have it,no thanks to you.

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          52. mike June 22, 2013

            I am sorry you are having trouble. You are one of 59% that are eligible for the program. I guess you didn’t read that the 5 carriers have so many(41%) that are not eligible.
            I hope all goes well for you.

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          53. Russell Byrd June 22, 2013

            I think once again you missed the point (no surprise there), people like Ms. McCaskill and myself should not be getting these offers. The private entities that run these programs for the government only are interested in getting these phones in the hands of anyone that will take them. The more phones the better. They do not care if they are needed nor do they care to take the expense and target individuals that could benefit. And, when you do your typical blub-blub response, remember, I did get several offers for these phones from major providers.

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          54. mike June 22, 2013

            Listen to Sen. McCaskill when she says it is being abused and needs to scrapped and replaced. 800 million to 2.1 billion in 5 years.
            NOT SURPRISED, that you are not concerned about wasteful govt. programs. Looks like you and Dom have never seen a govt. program you didn’t like.

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          55. Russell Byrd June 23, 2013

            Clean out your ears. Asked and answered! Too much to expect you to have reading comprehension.

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          56. Independent1 June 23, 2013

            Russell, based on a number of the issues Mike has championed and the arguments he’s used, I’m getting fairly certain that Mike is a paid troll of the US Chamber of Commerce – which in my estimation is the next most corrupt organization in America following the GOP itself.

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          57. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            Agreed. I just hate people like Mike that think they can invade a group and take control even though the majority despises his ideas. Very typical Teanderthal. I have pushed it rather far, but I just HATE liars and bullies. Admittedly, I am not a regular poster so I may not be welcome either, but I cannot stand those that sell injustice as a reasonable viewpoint. Good night.

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          58. mike June 23, 2013

            Looks like you can’t see the waste in this program.
            As to “asked and answered” only in your little mind.

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          59. Russell Byrd June 24, 2013

            It has been answered before. You are just a low-life troublemaker that harasses and will not take no for an answer. Every time someone says anything you change the subject or create a new thread. You are unreasonable in so many ways and are just here to disrupt.

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