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How Sanders Made Clinton’s Win Illegitimate

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U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders addresses the audience at the theater of the University of Puerto Rico in San Juan, Puerto Rico, May 16, 2016. REUTERS/Alvin Baez

OK, so the fix is in. In one sense, it’s too bad the Associated Press and the TV networks called the Democratic race for Hillary Clinton before New Jersey, California and four smaller states voted on June 7. Judging by my email and Facebook feed, this decision has inflamed the Bernie-cult’s belief that they’ve been cheated by the “establishment.”

Whatever the results, they’ve been rendered illegitimate in some eyes by the news media’s premature call. Never mind that news organizations feel a professional duty to report the facts as quickly as they are ascertained. Not much imagination is required to grasp the mischief that could result from their doing it any other way.

Never mind too that anybody who can do the electoral arithmetic knows that Hillary Clinton has been the inevitable Democratic nominee since April, when she prevailed in New York and Pennsylvania by 16 and 13 points respectively. There simply weren’t enough populous states left for Sanders to catch up—unless he could win California by an impossible 60 points.

Nevertheless, Bernie soldiered on. Doing his best impersonation of Prof. Irwin Corey, the Brooklyn-born comic billed as “The World’s Greatest Authority,” Sanders (and his advisors) began to make ever more absurd analyses of how he’d wind up on top. Like Corey, who appeared frequently with Johnny Carson on the old Tonight Show in professorial garb, spouting hilariously self-contradictory gibberish, Bernie sought to explain away electoral reality.

First came the argument that Clinton’s wins in “red state” Southern primaries shouldn’t count, because the South is the most conservative region of the country. These same strictures did not apply, of course, to Sanders’ victories among downtrodden white Democrats in the Cow States—Kansas, Oklahoma, Utah and Idaho, actually more one-sidedly Republican. Not to mention thinly-populated.

Notwithstanding the likelihood that several Southern states could be in play come November, as Kansas and Idaho almost certainly won’t be, his insult to African-American voters could hardly have been more ill-advised. If it was Sanders’ intention to turn himself into the white-bread college kids’ candidate, he couldn’t have done better.

It must be thrilling to be the 74 year-old Pied Piper of the campus set, because Bernie was hard at it during a recent California stadium rally. He interrupted his ritual chant about millionaires, billionaires and Wall Street to favor the crowd with some old-timey Marxist-style cant.

“’Any objective analyst of the current campaign understands that the energy and the grass-roots activism of this campaign is with us,’ Sanders bellowed, putting an emphasis on that last word. “Not Hillary Clinton.’”

“Objective,” you see, has always been radical-speak for “in my opinion.” Back in his Socialist Workers Party days, I’m sure Bernie won a lot of arguments browbeating people that way.

My own scientific view is that twenty-somethings go to rallies; older people vote. As New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait put it: “Energy and activism are definitely part of the election process. But the way you determine the winner is by holding elections.”

Meanwhile, instead of complaining about the complexity of election rules, Sanders would have been wiser to ignore Wall Street and billionaires for a few minutes to explain those rules to his supporters. No, you can’t vote in a New York Democratic primary unless you’re a registered Democrat. Too bad, but there it is, and it’s been that way for a generation.

Instead, Sanders and his minions went around kvetching that ineligible voters would have put them over the top. They seized upon every election glitch nationwide to complain that they were being cheated.

For example, 132,000 mostly black voters in Brooklyn somehow got left off the rolls. Bernie supporters all, his campaign would have you believe, although Sanders otherwise lost the borough 60-40—and African-American New Yorkers worse than that. Probably the voting errors hurt Clinton, although there’s no real way to know.

Chait acidly sums up the rest of the Sanders camp’s extended whine:  Bernie has won a lot of states, they say. Yeah, 20 as of this writing, exactly 40 percent of the total. With several small grazing states in play on June 7, this number will doubtless change.

No matter, in Electoral College terms, Sanders is nowhere.

The rest of it amounts to a shell game.

Chait: “Clinton has a large lead in pledged delegates, and an even larger lead in super-delegates. You could rely entirely on one or the other, or change the weights between them in any fashion, and Clinton would still win. Sanders simply refuses to accept the combination of the two, instead changing subjects from one to the other. Ask him about the pledged delegates, and he brings up the super-delegates. Ask about the super-delegates, and he changes to the pledged delegates. It’s an infinite loop of bullshit.”

First Bernie denounced “super-delegates” as an impediment to democracy; now he’s counting upon them to begin the revolution by overturning the will of Democratic voters.

Fat chance.

Photo: U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders addresses the audience at the theater of the University of Puerto Rico in San Juan, Puerto Rico, May 16, 2016. REUTERS/Alvin Baez

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Gene Lyons

Gene Lyons is a political columnist and author. Lyons writes a column for the Arkansas Times that is nationally syndicated by United Media. He was previously a general editor at Newsweek as wells an associate editor at Texas Monthly where he won a National Magazine Award in 1980. He contributes to Salon.com and has written for such magazines as Harper's, The New York Times Magazine, The New York Review of Books, Entertainment Weekly, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Esquire, and Slate. A graduate of Rutgers University with a Ph.D. in English from the University of Virginia, Lyons taught at the Universities of Massachusetts, Arkansas and Texas before becoming a full-time writer in 1976. A native of New Jersey, Lyons has lived in Arkansas with his wife Diane since 1972. The Lyons live on a cattle farm near Houston, Ark., with a half-dozen dogs, several cats, three horses, and a growing herd of Fleckvieh Simmental cows. Lyons has written several books including The Higher Illiteracy (University of Arkansas, 1988), Widow's Web (Simon & Schuster, 1993), Fools for Scandal (Franklin Square, 1996) as well as The Hunting Of The President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton, which he co-authored with National Memo Editor-in-Chief Joe Conason.

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  1. King of America June 8, 2016

    The typo in the headline is making me grind my teeth.

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    1. King of America June 8, 2016

      oh, and it’s in the URL too (which I assume is auto-generated from the headline).

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    2. King of America June 8, 2016

      My teeth and I thank you for fixing this.

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  2. Dominick Vila June 8, 2016

    Sen. Sanders inability or unwillingness to accept defeat graciously, and do what a politician in his position is expected to do, that is, help unite the party for whose nomination he ran, takes away from the image of righteousness and determination he created during the last several months.
    The time to challenge what can no longer be challenged is now. In addition to gaining the support of millions of Democrats and Independents, Bernie reminded ALL Democrats of what our party stands for. He energized Democrats, and he forced Hillary to move to the Center-Left. Much of what he articulated throughout the primaries, from raising the minimum wage, to the need to reform Wall Street, to the need to invest in infrastructure and strengthen social programs will, no doubt, be an integral part of the Democratic party political platform. He must now do the right thing, act like a statesman, and support Hillary Clinton, if he truly believes a Trump presidency would be an utter disaster for the United States and the free world.

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    1. FireBaron June 8, 2016

      Unfortunately, Bernie is still in the “Angry old Socialist” mode.

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      1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

        He’s a young ’60s radical trapped in a 70 year old body. Unfortunately, his mindset is still back in the ’60s, and he just can’t seem to be able to progress beyond that. The stump speech he gives is essentially the same one he’s given for the last 25 years.

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    2. Jost1 June 8, 2016

      Since Sanders isn´t playing the same game as Hillary Clinton, he does not have to “accept defeat graciously”. The goals of the Sanders´ following is much further ahead than just this one election.

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      1. Marv Nochowitz June 8, 2016

        How many elections will sanders be around for? But maybe by then he will be able to find his tax returns

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        1. Jost1 June 8, 2016

          Sanders are the only of the remaining candidates who has been frank about his personal economy, so you should rather find other illusions to cling your ignorance on.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            If he’s being frank about his ‘personal economy’, why hasn’t he released his tax returns? Not being snarky, but I really am curious as to his reluctance. Drumpf i can understand, because it would blow his ‘rich guy’ image out of the water, but . . .

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          2. Jost1 June 8, 2016

            You “can understand Drumpf”, but you do not acknowledge that Sanders did release his tax return. You are truly pathetic.

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          3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Hillary has released 33 years of returns. Bernie has released just what? And in Drumpf’s case, I understand that if he releases them, it will blow that carefully constructed illusion of him being a megabajillionare clean out of the water. If he were to release them, it would utterly humiliate him, not to mention totally destroying his brand name, which is really the only thing he has going for him. So it’s pure cowardice and self preservations that’s keeping Drumpf from releasing his returns.

            In Bernie’s case, it’s now moot. But I’m still curious as to the reason behind his reluctance.

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          4. Marv Nochowitz June 8, 2016

            Unless you have information nobody else has, Sanders has not released his federal income tax information. He must be hiding something. The ignorant one is you if you think he has.

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          5. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            He released one year. Hillary released 33 years.

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          6. elw June 9, 2016

            Yep, but she will not release the transcripts to her speeches to big Corporations!

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          7. Siegfried Heydrich June 9, 2016

            Why should she? She gave a speech to a group of private individuals who bought tickets to hear her speak. If you wanted to hear her, you should have bought a ticket. But private speech is exactly that – private. Just as public speech is public. The First Amendment covers both.

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          8. elw June 9, 2016

            For the very same reason, you are asking Bernie to release his taxes, she is running for the office of President! Or, do you have a different standard for the candidate you support and one you do not?

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          9. Siegfried Heydrich June 9, 2016

            Every presidential candidate since Nixon (with the exception of Drumpf) has released their tax returns. No one, until now, has ever been asked to release transcripts of speeches given to private groups. Now, I believe you were saying something about different standards?

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          10. elw June 9, 2016

            You already know he has released his tax return. Have told another commenter that is a mute point 19 hours ago and yet you are still going on about it and supporting Hillary keeping her speeches private. Seriously; you would vote for her without knowing what she promise all those big contributors to her campaign? Have you forgotten Mit Romney’s secret 47% remark. Pathetic.

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          11. Siegfried Heydrich June 9, 2016

            I was making the point that releasing tax returns is the tradition. Hillary has released 33 years worth. And to be honest, it’s a ‘moot’ point now. Perhaps I should rephrase – every SUCCESSFUL presidential candidate since Nixon has released their tax returns. And no presidential candidate has EVER been asked to release transcripts from private speeches. Until now. So, my point remains that you are the one insisting on different standards.

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          12. elw June 10, 2016

            1. Bernie did release his tax return. There been no standard about the number that are released. 2. Strange that our Presumptive Democratic Candidate for President is willing to release 33 years of tax returns, most of which were public domain anyway, but will not release transcripts of speeches she got paid 250 thousand dollar for. You just have to ask, what is she hiding? She is no longer is a private person, her voters have the right to know what she said. After all, she is the first Presidential candidate who has been paid that kind of money for speaking. The speeches are another example of Hillary’s poor Judgment. She has always had Presidential ambition. If she had thought it out she never would have given those speeches, she did not need the money and she had to have know it would be a problem if she every became the Candidate. She could cure that little problem by releasing them – but she refuses. BTW, standards change, especially about behaviors that never happen before, so your point is mute.

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          13. Siegfried Heydrich June 10, 2016

            1. Who cares? Bernie’s not running any more. I really couldn’t care less about the returns of someone who’s out. His returns are moot, irrelevant, and no longer of any interest.

            2. No one has EVER been asked to release transcripts of speeches given to private groups. Ever. Until now. Private speech is private. You want to hear it? You should have bought a ticket.

            And no, they don’t. Any more than I have a right to your home videos. I would also point out that no, she wasn’t a presidential candidate when she gave ANY paid speeches.

            You’re not a presidential candidate until you file paperwork with the FEC and declare your candidacy. Until then, you’re just another private citizen who can give speeches to whoever you want. Public figures, including people who intend to run for president later on, all give speeches, and they get paid for them. This is how you build up reserves for your campaign.

            If you don’t like it, well, sorry, but who cares what you think? Seriously . . . you want to just make up the rules as you go and then whine that no one is following them. Grow up.

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          14. elw June 10, 2016

            Well it bothers you enough that you have had to respond at least five time to the questions about it, and that was only to me (even after you had already claimed how it didn’t matter anymore). So perhaps you need to dig deep inside and question yourself just how much you do care that people question Hillary’s honesty, because that is not going away while she is a candidate or if she wins the Presidency. If she wins the Presidency it will multiple times 100. You are in for a hard time.

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          15. Siegfried Heydrich June 10, 2016

            Question all you like. The difference is that you will only accept answers that you have already provided for yourself. You suffer from the same obsession that the Obama haters do – no matter what, the object of your obsession is the source of all ills, and you feel compelled to broadcast your obsession wherever you go.

            And as long as you’re reasonably civil, I’ll carry on a conversation. However, you’re not scoring any points, here. You’re as full of hate for Hillary as the wingers are of Obama. You’re just as irrational, and you’re just as eager to grasp at anything you feel discredits her.

            Look, she’s not perfect. No one is, and I gave up expecting perfection out of politicians long ago. But what it comes down to is this – we have a choice between two candidates. One is sane, stable, rational, experienced, and knows what’s going on. The other is insane, unstable, irrational, inexperienced, and is too abysmally ignorant to be even remotely aware of just how ignorant truly he is. And one, I might add, who would squash Bernie’s movement like a bug, just as happened back in ’68.

            So you can insist on perfection and denounce imperfection all you like. The perfect is always the enemy of the good. And no, we’re not ‘in for a hard time’. That’s just your sour grapes.

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          16. elw June 10, 2016

            I voted for President Obama twice, I think he is one of the best President in my life time. Hillary Clinton is no Barak Obama. Nor is it me you need to afraid of – it is all those crazy people out there who tried so hard to get something on President Obama who hate Hillary 10 times more. No one is perfect, you are right on that, but neither does that excuse someone who judgment is so poor that she continues to make herself an easy target. Keeping her speeches secret is not different the thinking that brought about her private server. There is no excuse for that, especially in a President. And, as far as I am concerned this conversation is over.

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          17. Siegfried Heydrich June 10, 2016

            Oh, fer cryin’ out loud. Look, she was a private citizen giving a performance to a private group who had bought tickets to hear her speak. She was NOT a presidential candidate at the time. Drumpf gave a speech to the same organization (Goldman Sachs) for a million five, and yet nothing has been said of that. Just Hillary. Gee, why is that, I wonder?

            NO ONE has EVER been asked to produce copies of speeches made to a private gathering of private citizens in a private setting before. EVER. Until the Hillary haters glommed onto it.

            This is a non-issue other than to people who are absolutely obsessed with Hillary having done SOMETHING they can use. NONE of the other ‘scandals’ that were all going to cause her downfall have ever panned out. This is a nothingburger that you’re frantic to turn into a value meal. Sorry, but for all of your desperate but . . . but . . . buts, there’s quite simply no ‘there’ there, no matter how often you say there is.

            You’re as fixated on that as the ODS crowd is about his college transcripts. They’re both meaningless, other than something for you to hang your paranoia and hatred on. You can call it ‘bad judgement’ all you like. I call it simply ‘hysterical projection’ You want, need, have to have SOMETHING you can club her with, and this is what you’re down to. Give it a rest.

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      2. Dominick Vila June 8, 2016

        Sanders’ agenda, including his proposals to raise the minimum wage, free tuition, not only to help students but to make us more intellectually competitive, his emphasis on equality, and other similar issues should be heard during the Democratic party Convention, and should be an integral part of our political platform. However, his refusal to concede defeat, if it continues, is likely to tarnish the image he earned, by turning his campaign into a Quixotic quest that will pave the way for a Trump presidency. He must demonstrate that in addition to articulating issues that needed to be heard, and proposals on how to implement them, he is also a pragmatic and realistic statesman willing to be a team player and work towards the successful implementation of what he, and his followers, believe in.

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        1. Jost1 June 8, 2016

          I have no doubt Sanders is fully competent on team work. I am though more in doubt about Clintons abilities.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Ummm . . . Bernie’s been a party of one for just HOW many years? And Hillary has been SoS. ‘Team work’ is sort of the job description there, you know . . . diplomacy and all that?

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          2. Jost1 June 8, 2016

            How many times has Sanders been the link between democrats and republicans in the effort of get the legislation through the senate? Quite a few..

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          3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            May be – but he’s still a party of one.

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          4. Jost1 June 8, 2016

            As is in having no ones ass to hide behind, which is pretty rare at the Capitol Hill.

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          5. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            When you don’t do much of anything, there’s not much to worry about. He was sort of the flip side of Ron Paul, another useless lump who blustered a lot but never really did anything.

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          6. Independent1 June 9, 2016

            Bernie may be a coordinator on legislation that he’s got a hot button on, but he is clearly a nonTeam player. Time and time again he’s refused to compromise on legislation which the Dems have clearly pushed for – like healthcare reform back in the 1990s and background checks for gun purchases, and immigration reform and on and on.

            Why do you think more than 40 senators have endorsed Hillary and only one has endorsed Bernie. And even the other independent has refused to endorse him. Why do you suppose that is??

            Because Bernie HAS NEVER been a team player as Siefried has pointed out.

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          7. Jost1 June 10, 2016

            So Bernie Sanders has strived for the ignition of a mass movement because he is a solo player? Your conclusion occurs to me as kind of stupid.

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      3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

        He needs to get his ego out of the way, then, and recognize that the movement he’s started is bigger than he is. A little graciousness would go a long way, but if he’s too angry and bitter, then his movement suffers as a result. And if Drumpf wins, well, that movement ceases to exist for a generation.

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        1. Jost1 June 8, 2016

          His task after the convention will be to get most possible of his following to accept the strategic importance of getting Hillary elected, but I do not believe he will try to convince nor himself or others that Hillary is an ideal candidate for the presidency. The prosperity looks pretty bleak.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            There’s no such thing as an ‘ideal candidate’, since I’m not running . But we now have a choice between a candidate who’s sane, rational, stable, experienced, knows the issues, and knows what the bloody hell she’s doing and one who’s insane, irrational, unstable, inexperienced, is abysmally ignorant of the issues, and has NO friggin’ idea of what he’s doing other than conning the rubes.

            Gee . . . decisions decisions . . .

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          2. Jost1 June 8, 2016

            Every Sanders-supporter knows that Clinton is nothing more than a lesser useless than the other candidate. The world will have to wait another four years before America takes further lead.

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          3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Well, then we’ll see what four years down the road brings, then won’t we? But right now, you have a choice to make. Just bear in mind that if you liked Nixon, you’re just flat going to LOVE Drumpf!

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    3. charleo1 June 8, 2016

      Right you are. And just as right in tone, and temperament in your pragmatic and respectful acknowledgment, that every one of Hillary’s supporters should be taking at this time. A tone that Hillary herself took last evening in her historic win. Firstly, that those millions of Sanders supporters, who, like their candidate, made great irrefutable arguments, that were not dismissed. But in the end, because of a lot of other factors, some as simple as name recognition, they simply came up short. And we now desperately need them to join with us to help defeat perhaps the most unqualified man to ever be presented to the Nation by a major political party to serve as President.
      The fact is, we can’t do this job without them. A fact that has evidently eluded our clueless author here. Who seems determined to giddily gloat, mock, and otherwise rub salt into a very fresh, very painful wound. Demanding as he does, immediate capitulation of the Sander’s camp. Completely dismissive of the fact, that if these fellow Americans didn’t care about their Country, and care deeply, such a thing would be easy. But they do care. Allow Sen. Sanders the space to honor his supporter’s sweat, hard work, and trust. This will take a moment or two. Unless hacks acting like impatient two year olds, like Gene Lyons, ticks them off completely, and then we all lose.

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      1. Dominick Vila June 8, 2016

        I was very proud of Hillary Clinton last night, when she acknowledged the contributions made by Sen. Sanders. Specific offers, ranging from allowing Sen. Sanders to speak at the Convention, and unambiguous statements to the effect that some of his proposals will be included in the Democratic party platform, including campaign reform, would be a positive step towards achieving the party unity we need to win in November.
        In my opinion, it is unfair to expect Sen. Sanders to do all the heavy lifting. Hillary must, and is, do whatever it takes to unite the party and reconcile herself with the millions of Sanders supporters that she needs to win.
        Hatred, threats, and ridicule should remain the centerpiece of the Trumpeters movement.

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        1. charleo1 June 8, 2016

          It was the second terrific speech from candidate Clinton, in this past week alone. And perhaps just as important, at the time when a lot of undecided and independent voters, blocked from the primaries in many States, begin the process in earnest that will lead them to their eventual choice. I can honestly say, I feel better about Hillary’s chances today, than at any time since she announced her candidacy. I also feel Sanders, if he’s the person I believe him to be be, will soon call for the unification of the Party, and for continuing the fight for everything his campaign has represented, by defeating Trump in the fall.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Indeed, watching her pivot to the general election is interesting. She really seems to be hitting her stride, now that she’s going after somebody she really, truly loathes. Before, she had to be circumspect in dealing with Bernie. But with Double-Dealin’ Donnie? Nope, now the gloves are off and she can have fun eviscerating him.

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          2. Independent1 June 9, 2016

            Why has it taken a meeting with President Obama to bring that about – to quiet Bernie down and get him to act like a reasonable person? Sorry, I do not share your opinions about Bernie. He has lost every ounce of my respect for him in the nastiness of the campaign he ran!! He is a despicable nasty person.

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          3. charleo1 June 10, 2016

            Well look Indy. Whatever you, and I think of Sanders is not nearly as important as what millions of Progressives on the Left Wing of the Democratic Party think of him. That’s irrespective of the way he may or may not have ran his campaign or spoken about his opponent. Or whether he should have spoken out more forcefully about the incident in CO. Personally, I agree he should have. But at the end of the day, it’s politics. And in politics, yours, and mine. The facts are, we agree with Sanders, and the Left Wing, in many more ways than we differ with them. You would agree there? And just as important for the vast majority of Sander’s supporters, they, and Sanders will, over the next couple of weeks become some of Clinton’s strongest allies in keeping an idiot out of the WH. Allies that the establishment wing of the Party, people like Washerman-Shultz, Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and Hillary herself, may have taken for granted. Until ignored, they sat out. And a golden opportunity to perhaps retake Congress, and win the WH. might have been squandered. Whereas today, the vast majority are engaged, excited with their efforts, and ready to enter the general election on Hillary’s behalf. Satisfied they have been recognized, given a voice, and that voice has been heard. So, like him, or hate him, IMO, this has been Burnie’s greatest contribution to the Democratic cause. And I cannot knock the man for it.

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          4. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            I may well think a little differently about Bernie if what you say actually comes to pass: that he and many of his supporters actually do get behind Hillary and she does get elected. But IMO Bernie has done a great deal to make that really questionable.

            He’s gone out of his way many times to bring out issues about Hillary which not only have been uncalled for in a Democrat primary, but issues which have been flat wrong and which have made him out as not only vindictive but actually a liar. So in some sense, if Hillary does get elected, it will be in spite of many uncalled for defiant actions Bernie has taken and the uncalled for things he’s said, than any help he may provide to Hillaryin the future.

            I guess we’ll just have to see how it all works out; and although I would vote for him to help ensure Trump doesn’t get elected, I really don’t think Bernie is qualified or fit to be president.

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          5. charleo1 June 10, 2016

            I don’t believe you and I disagree on this. The numbers on one poll, I seen this morning, and sorry, I can’t remember which one, revealed an impressive 82% of Sanders supporters say they would support Clinton, if she were to become the nominee. And my impression is, that has always been the case. That there has always been a lot more pragmatism within the Burnie camp, than many might have assumed.

            And, also there is this for perspective. Do you remember the Democrats’s alternative to Mitch McConnell in 2014? And how she couldn’t bring herself to openly admit who she would be voting for, Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney for President? She was the Estab. Dems. pick. And so some might rightly wonder who the Democratic Party is becoming. I get that. And I think Sanders for all his flaws served to remind the Party, at least those who had seemed to have forgotten, what, and who we are supposed to be supporting as Democrats.

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          6. Jan123456 June 10, 2016

            Elizabeth Warren’s speech last night sure didn’t hurt either!

            With her support, Obama’s, Biden’s…all out there actively campaigning for Clinton, my concern now may be complacency come November.

            Especially when you look at how the wheels are coming off for the GOP.

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          7. charleo1 June 10, 2016

            Thank you. It’s usually rude to gloat, but, after this week… Beginning with the absolute best speech I’ve ever heard Hillary make. Followed by Warren’s second stemwinder, literally taking Trump apart. Then giving her essential unifying endorsement to Hillary on Rachel Meadows last night. Hillary herself, besting Burnie by 13-15 points, in CA. Thus ending any rationale for continuing his campaign past D.C. Allowing then, President Obama, with his stratospheric approval numbers, the space to fully endorse Clinton. With this all leading to a Burnie Sander’s vow to do ‘whatever it takes,’ to keep Trump out of the WH.
            Meanwhile on the Right.. Party leaders were having to disavow their candidate’s racist comments, by first admitting the comments were racist. Yet were forced to say over and over, they still supported the racist talking candidate Trump, because, after all they are Repubs, or what passes for Repubs. today. And he had won their gerry-rigged primaries, and so they were stickin’ with their guy.

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    4. elw June 9, 2016

      Dominick, you are completely wrong. You have missed the whole point of why Bernie has stayed in the race. If you believe that Hillary will stay in the center left once Bernie and the 47 million people who voted for him bend to her demands, that’s fine, none of the Bernie followers believe she will. What they do believe is the minute Bernie is no longer a threat, Hillary will go right back to the Right and stay there. Bernie promised his followers he would stay in until the Convention and that is what he is going to do. I know we are all use to having politician that promise the world to get votes only to not keep them once they win, but you will find the opposite is true for Bernie Sanders. Graciousness has noting to do with it, keeping promises does. Hillary should not need Bernie’s concession, she should be confident enough in her win to know that and Gracious enough to allow him the space to keep his promise to the very people she needs to win over for the general election. Take some time to read the responses of some of the Hillary supporters, they are disgusting. None of that is gracious, nor is demanding that Bernie support Hillary acceptable. In fact all of it has the opposite affect it turns people-off. Yesterday, Cenk Uygur, a Bernie supporter who is the head of The Young Turk Network, had done a commentary encouraging Bernie supporter to support Hillary, a few hours he later came back on to do a segment on the numerous media commentaries, calling Bernie and his followers names, making accusations, and telling complete lies about violent incidents that never happened. He had dozens of commentaries and thousands of emails from individuals that were nasty and threatening. The results of all those commentaries and nasty emails did nothing more than make him think his initial advice was questionable – TYT network has millions of, largely progressive Democrat, followers who on the fence about Hillary. None of you are helping Hillary you are hurting her – back off.

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      1. Independent1 June 9, 2016

        You are really one misguided person. Bernie is staying in because Bernie is a narcissist and refuses to acknowledge defeat no matter what. It’s got nothing to do with keeping promises – if it is, it’s only a promise Bernie has made to himself.

        And Bernie has done this his entire political career – refusing to give in and acknowledge that he’s not going to get his way – in process refusing to become a team player while actually undermining a number of Democrat initiatives in the process like national healthcare back in the 1990s, a chance to get better background checks on gun purchases, immigration reform recently and more.

        You are clearly living in your own fantasy land.

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        1. elw June 10, 2016

          Well, your personal attacks on Bernie will only serve to ensure Hillary’s loss of the 47% of Democrats that did not vote for her in the primaries. Your personal attacks on me are laughable.

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          1. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            Like I said, you’re living in your own fantasy land – more than 75% of Bernie’s wins were in red states that used caucuses where less than 2% off the electorate participated. Despite what you think is Bernie’s great popularity represents less than 5% of the electorate. Like with Trump, it’s been media hype that has made Bernie look as popular as it has, not real support from the majority of Americans.

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  3. Roseann Duchon June 8, 2016

    Hillary would be wise to name Bernie as her VP. That is probably the only way she will secure the majority of his followers in order to defeat Trump. His followers know that it is not about Bernie. It has always been about his message. Unless the DNC and Hillary embrace that message and move that agenda to the Democratic platform and actually promote the changes we need both at the top and bottom of the Democratic ticket, the possibility of Trump as president is real.

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    1. King of America June 8, 2016

      The majority of his followers will already be voting Clinton. The Bernie or Bust remainder are – according to studies – Libertarian, Green, or non-, voters, who will never vote for Clinton in any case; they are not strategically relevant.

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    2. Janice R. Veach Walter June 8, 2016

      I too would like to see a Clinton/Sanders ticket. The Democratic party is strong, in contrast to their adversary, and more focused on this country and its citizens. We don’t, and won’t, agree with all views, but no country should have leadership that attacks and attempts to demoralize and crush its citizens. Oh wait, is this the same leadership condemning what is happening in Iraq and Syria? We may consider their methods to be less barbaric, are they not destructive?

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    3. Granite Skyline June 8, 2016

      She’s probably looking forward to being far away fro him.

      And for die-hard Bernie-ites, the VP position wouldn’t be good enough.

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    4. MissNomer June 8, 2016

      That is a horrible idea.

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    5. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

      Nope, offer to appoint him as head of the SEC, with instructions to clean the place up. Same thing with Elizabeth Warren – when her term is expired, put her in as either Fed Chair or Sec Treasury. The VP spot is largely a waste of time. If you’re going to offer positions, put them to where they can be most effective.

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    6. plc97477 June 11, 2016

      vp is mostly for show. the vp has no power except if the president is hurt or unable to do the job. Give him a job he can sink his teeth in.

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  4. marriea June 8, 2016

    I can’t help but think that a lot of Mr. Sanders campaign magic went to his head.
    To be sure, a lot of the stuff he talks about would be nice.
    But the devil is in the details.
    No, free college tuition in public universities ain’t gonna happen, unless one can get 3/4 of the states to agree to such a measure, and I don’t see that happening.
    Congress ain’t gonna touch that idea and untess their is a mandate with the states, no Supreme Court is going to do so either. States do have sovereignity.
    Wall Street can’t be legislated to unloose it’s money to help the ‘poor’. What happened with Wall Street was unethical, true, but it wasn’t illegal.
    The trade agreement policies were ships that set sail in the late 80’s. I can’t throw the hammer at Clinton’s feet. Beside, why isn’t the noise being made about Congress since only they can change those rules.
    I like Mr. Sanders, but a lot of the things he is saying, while sensible, have so many drawbacks that make them doable in actuality is like Monday morning quarterbacking after a lost.
    Sure one can look at the films and try different tactics, but one won’t be playing the same team one lost to the next week.
    I wish he would be brave enough to point out the big picture involved in making his ideas doable instead of coming across as another Donald Trump.
    Mr. Sanders is better than that.

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    1. charleo1 June 8, 2016

      A lot of the things Sanders talked about in his campaign, would not only be nice, but are going to be absolutely vital, if we are to remain in a leadership role in the new global economy of the 21 century. Much of what Sanders, and others have been talking about for years, like free or subsidized secondary education, free vocational training, or retraining of workers who’s jobs have been outsourced to low wage economies. Something other successful economies such as India, China, and many of the EU Nations are already doing. Or a rebuilding of the floor on wages that have become so low in this country, they amount to a giant handout by the government to corporations for their underpaid workers, in the form of healthcare, and housing to the tune of trillions more, Which only serve to increase the bottom line profits of some of the wealthiest corporations in World. Who could easily afford to pay their own adequate labor costs. All this, most all agree is the case. So then, what it boils down to a matter of priorities, and political will. How important is educational investment in our kids, and our country’s future, vs. a trillion dollar military? Another trillion handed out in subsidies, tax breaks, and flat out cash giveaways to the giant agriculture, fossil fuel, mineral, timber, and pharmaceutical industries? The list is endless, and includes all who can afford lobbyists to bribe themselves into a permanent place a the public trough.
      Are there drawbacks to changing the pay to play system that is bankrupting the Nation, as well as strangling democracy as we speak? You bet. But what other choices do we really have? Maybe a better question is how many more Countries like America are there in the World? And how many more important things do we have to do with our time?

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      1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

        Nice aspirations, but the devil is always in the details. The single biggest detail, of course, being just how you intend to pay for all of that. My guess is that over the next couple of decades, those aspirations will come into being (assuming the republicans don’t burn down the country first), but you can’t just wave the magic presidential wand and make them all become reality.

        It’s a slow, incremental process that requires a mandate from the people to move Congress. And you need to put in Congresscritters who will support these objectives; that’s how you drive mandates. Absent that, all you have are nice ideas. Implementing them . . . ah, now THAT’S what politics is all about – the Art of the Possible.

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        1. charleo1 June 8, 2016

          Agreed. What I’m afraid I’m seeing, and hearing, is a lot of people that are more than anything else, beat down to the point of giving up on changing anything, including the very possible. Which means whether Trump wins, or loses, we the majority, still lose.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            People get beat down all the time. But as long as you get up more than you get beat down, you’re never truly beaten. This is a point I’ve been trying to get through to the angst-ridden Berniebros. Yeah, you lost this one. But there’s always a next one. Suck it up, deal with it, learn from your experiences, up your game, and step up next cycle. Quitters never win, and winners never quit.

            And fer gawd’s sake, I wish they’d stop whining, bleating and sniveling about how ‘the system is rigged’. You don’t change a ‘rigged’ system by standing outside with signs shouting slogans and engaging in street theater. You change them by getting inside and changing them.

            Revolutions sound all noble and righteous, but if there’s one thing that history has shown, it’s that revolutions NEVER work out the way the revolutionaries intended.

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          2. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            I’ve heard, show me a gracious loser, and I’ll show you a loser. But I say, losing is hard, and with time most will pick themselves up, and see the value in supporting the candidate that represents if not 100% of what they want, most of what they want. And by November, they’ll be there. (I hope)

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          3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            A gracious loser is afforded the opportunity to compete again. Sore losers tend not to be allowed back into the game.

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          4. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            Sure, But nobody told that to Nixon. A different day I suppose. The thing about the electoral system is it non transparent, and poorly understood, if at all by anyone but the Party insiders, and activists. Myself would be in that great dumb group. So, “the system” becomes an easy target. As any failure today must have it’s martyred victims, as well as it’s evil villains. I blame Marvel Comic Books for this.

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          5. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Maybe Captain America could take down Drumpf . . . except that we just found out he’s a member of Hydra.

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          6. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            Hydra!?? Say it ain’t so…Communist Rag!

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          7. marriea June 9, 2016

            Our politcal system has never been transparent. The big thing to me is that people, like in the day of yo, leave it to others to interpret something for them, just because another person has the title of expert, not taking into account that even expert are not objective most of the time.
            We only need read wholly and trufully about our country and it’s existance. We need to understand our laws and the whys and how they came into existance and how they affect each and all.
            But we are sort of lazyand I guess the Tv and movies are a more simplistic idea of how the machine works.
            Only that view is full of subjectiveness that only shows part of the ‘truth’ and not THE truth.
            We have romanitized our history so much that the reality is unrecognizable and people are so convinced that what they see is an actuality that they are willing to kill and destroy than recognize it for what it is.
            When I look at both Trump and Bernie followers, I see a comming thread.
            They both have been told that someone has taken something from them, and I am the candidate that will get it back for you.
            I’m not saying that Hillary Clinton son’t have faults. She does.
            But I think or would like to think that with her experience she has a better taste of what one can or can’t do and how to get at least part of it if not all.
            A parent’s kids want a pony even though they live in a residential area. Do they promise or leave hope that they can get that pony. I hope not. But one can promise one they can go to a petting zoo or farm.
            Many of Trumps supporters in particular want to believe that a certain group of people have taken something from them that for some reason has been bequest by ‘our founders’ but can’t get it because, what? someone else has suggested that they have to share it with other?
            I have always reminded my kids of that ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ clause. The key word is pursuit. It didn’t say one was going to catch it, but it didn’t say one wouldn’t.
            I will note however that laws and rules were set in place long ago that makes it harder for some to achieve that ‘prize’.
            I will probably not see a lot of things that we fight for. But I can only hope that those things I don’t or can’t achieve, my grandkids might enjoy them.

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          8. marriea June 9, 2016

            Very wise observation

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          9. marriea June 9, 2016

            I have to agree with Siegfried Heydrich. Nice and beautiful aspirations, but the devil is indeed in the details.
            All of the ideologies you listed are very admirable and worth fighting for. I wish I could see them ‘in my lifetime’, but before that can happen we as a country have to move greatly from our present mindset, especially as it relate to hatred and bigotry and jealosies.
            I can only draw on the fact that for all of our ‘might and riches’, we a still a relatively young country. Right now, we are in the ‘terrible two’s’ stage.
            So a lot of what I would like to see accomplished for us as a people, a country, we just ain’t got there yet.

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          10. charleo1 June 9, 2016

            The terrible twos. Well that certainly is an interesting way to look at things. I’m going to think on that some.

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          11. plc97477 June 11, 2016

            Many of the berniebots have said that after 4 years of trump the country will be ready for bernie. 4 years of trump there may not be a country left.

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          12. charleo1 June 12, 2016

            Absolutely. If another faction of the Country, this time the fringe Left, were to decide to go down the path of adopting the radical tactics of say, the T-Party led GOP of 2010. That is to intentionally work to make already bad situations worse, and thereby create a crisis, or hope for a crisis, then present themselves as the only solution. I don’t believe the Country can afford much more of that kind of reckless playing with fire. However unlike the Establishment GOP. I don’t see voters on the Left, and Left Center, putting up with it out of a faction hoping to align with our own rank and file. Remember, the Right only continues with it’s unrelenting obstruction aiming for disfunction, then crisis, because it’s base rank and file agrees with it’s tactic, and desires government failure at the Federal level. Especially, and perhaps solely because, one Black President would be tarred with that failure.

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          13. plc97477 June 12, 2016

            One of the problems I have with the liberals is that they are too apt to allow the right to define them. The right has said for 30 or more years that Hillary is untrustworthy and a crook so the liberals believe it. The right said we were tax and spend so we pretend there is something wrong with that. I would rather be an adult who pays ones bills than a borrow and spend repug who has a tendency to not pay their bills.

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          14. charleo1 June 12, 2016

            It’s true of the liberal in general, that we tend to be more optimistic, instead of pessimistic. Tend to believe more in the inherent good in people, and look for that. Rather than believe the worst, and use every opportunity to justify that. The fact is, we are also pragmatist at heart. That shun conflict, and seek coalition thru compromise. Holding to the belief that we can by this process of inclusion, achieve progress in order to make the lives of everyone better. And I think that’s a message more powerful than any of the Right Wing Demagogic class is professing. No matter how loudly, or long as they may continue, history itself has shown they do not in the end win out.

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  5. Time for Sander to consider an Independent run.

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    1. johninPCFL June 8, 2016

      Sure. It’s the only way Trump can win.
      Nice try troll.

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      1. “Troll”–how sweet!
        Did you think that up all by your lonesome, sweetpea? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df5b591d1ef8da96142bda1a36440395ba984a2a862cef2287ddb68da3abdd18.jpg

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        1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

          The only hope that the GOP has for victory at this point is a third party run to split the democrats, So yes, you sound very much like a Drumpfdroid. Bernie could not win. First of all, the filing deadlines are long past in most states. There are also Sore Loser laws that were passed specifically to prevent that kind of thing. And there is no way that Bernie could raise the kind of money needed for a national campaign. So all that would happen with a Bernie third party run would be to hand the presidency to Drumpf. Well, golly, just imagine THAT! Gee, what a surprise!

          But by all means, you just keep tight on trolling. And we’ll keep right on pointing out that you’re a republican troll.

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          1. Sorry, Sweet Pea, I’m no GOP.
            But I am tired of settling for second best efforts, from the Democrats.

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          2. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Well, then go off, sulk, pout, smoke a fattie, and get over it. Or don’t.

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    2. Janice R. Veach Walter June 8, 2016

      That’s what the Republican Party is praying for!

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      1. As are millions of Left-Wing Progressives!

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        1. King of America June 8, 2016

          no actual progressive is praying for any such thing.

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        2. Insinnergy June 8, 2016

          Only if they want to lose.
          …Everything, even the chance a Bernie-like candidate can make a difference next time. Trump and his Supreme court nominees will see to that.

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    3. Granite Skyline June 8, 2016

      That would be yet another contest he would lose.

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  6. JB20010 June 8, 2016

    Bernie got drunk on the cheers of college kids, and discovered a fondness for the high life of $13,000 hotel sweets, and private 767 charters to Rome.

    He doesn’t want it to end.

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    1. charleo1 June 8, 2016

      My question is, how do you know? Because I think first one needs to deliver a message that resonates with millions of Americans, before fancy hotels and big chartered jets. A message that makes perfect sense to many young people, who are graduating with college degrees, but unsure futures, and mountains of debt. Another oddity that’s always bugged me, is why is it that so many of us insist on first crucifying our visionaries of social justice, and economic change, then long after they are gone, deciding to embrace them, and make them icons?

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      1. JB20010 June 8, 2016

        Sanders is neither a visionary nor an icon. He’s a career pol whose spent a quarter century accomplishing nothing of consequence in the U.S. Congress.

        Young people getting swept up by vague promises of revolution and fighting the establishment is neither new nor extraordinary.

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        1. charleo1 June 8, 2016

          So you say. But there are a lot of people, some would argue the very future of the Democratic Party, due to their ages, that would disagree with you. Now tell me I’m wrong…Besides, you ignored the gist of my comment to make one of your own, largely proving mine. That we don’t embrace those that call for change, as much as we find reasons to discredit them, so we can wallow in our own crappy condition. Hey, I get it. It’s easier than actually doing something about it.

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          1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            The world is changing faster than our ability to adapt. And Bernie’s biggest problem is that he’s still trapped back in the 1960s and keeps coming up with 1960s solutions. They sound great in theory, but enabling them is something that he never addresses. Until people actually come up with ways to DO things as opposed to saying that we OUGHT to do something, it’s all imaginings. And this is what the next gen is going to have to deal with, because change is coming at us faster than ever.

            If you think we have problems now, just consider this – in ten years, all long-haul trucking in the US will be done by self-driving autonomous rigs. That means that all those truck drivers will be out of work. Same thing with taxi drivers. What happens to those people, especially in the south? This is all the next gen’s problems, and they need to start stepping up.

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          2. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            I couldn’t agree more. I think it will be a while longer on the robot truckers. But then, my crystal ball never has worked very well. My hope is, when things get bad enough, and they will. People start paying real attention. Politics doesn’t seem so much like a reality show that doesn’t matter to them personally. Voter participation increases, and with that, the influence of big money decreases,

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          3. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            Wal-Mart is already running a pilot program with autonomous big rigs. Right now, the only thing keeping them off the roads are the lack of laws regarding them. And Wal-Mart has the money to buy the laws needed. And once those are in place? Every other trucking company in the country will have robots as fast as they can buy them. Ten years, easily.

            But yes, the secret is participation, and the Bernicritters seem to be advocating just quitting, sitting back, getting stoned, and playing video games because the ‘system is rigged against them’. Very annoying.

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          4. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            Sure, I remember getting stoned and playing video games after I lost my first girlfriend. My life was over, so what did I care? Then, I woke up one sunny morning, and rejoined the human race. And they will too. I do not believe all the disrespect I’m reading from both camps is helpful in encouraging this. It’s why I have mostly stayed away from the debate. I realized I couldn’t say a word in defense of either Hillary, or Burnie, without getting hammered by one group or the other, by what are essentially knife wielding Democrats all. And then, when I offered we all just be nice, and get along, I was clobbered by everyone! I love politics.. usually.

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          5. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            I liked them both, though right now, I like Bernie a lot less than I did when he started running. I don’t have all that much of a problem with his ideals, other than the fact that I don’t see how they could get past Congress or how they could possibly be paid for. But hey, it’s all aspirational, and I learned long ago that campaign promises are campaign ideas that generally run afoul of reality.

            What happens now all comes down to Bernie. If he’s angry and bitter, then the Berniebros sit home, feel sorry for themselves and get all emo about how much life sucks, and pass that joint. If, on the other hand, he points out that they have a comic book villain to stop, and that if he’s not stopped their movement dies, then they’ll stay engaged. But it’s all up to him.

            This reminds me very much of ’68 and Eugene McCarthy. He lost the nomination, took all of his supporters off in a huff, and pretty much sat out the election, thus handing it over to Nixon and eventually Reagan. His petty ego set the progressive movement back a generation. Had he sucked it up, made defeating Nixon their main goal, then he could easily have defeated Humphrey in ’72 (assuming Humphrey even ran for re-election) and whoever the republicans ran.

            I’m hoping that Bernie doesn’t make the same mistake as McCarthy and let his ego get in the way of his commitment to the movement he started. Because as bad as Nixon was, he’s got NOTHING on Drumpf. And McCarthy is just a footnote to history now because he got pouty instead of an inspirational figure.

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          6. charleo1 June 8, 2016

            I could be wrong as all get out. But my sense of Burnie Sanders is he will urge his supporters to get behind a more progressive Clinton, and a more liberal leaning Democratic platform. And he will give them, his grassroots supporters, the credit for this. That his talk of a contested convention, and fighting for every delegate, is just that, talk. Partly ego yes. But also, so he doesn’t seem to be turning his back on the movement his campaign once lead into such prominence. We shall see.

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          7. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

            I certainly hope so. But I guess we’ll see . . .

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        2. Matforce June 9, 2016

          What a minute, JB. Sanders is the ONLY candidate who, perfectly out loud, and without reservation, has come out and put a fine point on the $$$CORRUPTION$$$ of our legislature by naming names and identifying what ails the mighty USA. Topics such as the economic treason of FTAs, the domination of moneyed interest (Wall Street, Big Banks, Corporations (from multi-national corps. and “globalization” to the National Chamber of Commerce, etc.), and the role of MONEY In our political system, especially since the Citizens United vs. The FEC ruling became law, prostituting our pay-to-play legislature, rendering our elected officials mere lackeys to moneyed special interest. Before Sanders, these topics just were not discussed, but they’ve been in play since the 1970s, slowly, but surely hollowing out our middle class.

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  7. jrw June 8, 2016

    Bernie’s messages have been a good thing. However, the messenger is a rigid, grumpy, thin-skinned, martyr with more than a touch of megalomania. He should get nowhere the oval office.

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  8. Darsan54 June 8, 2016

    I liked Bernie’s message and still do. We need a more compassionate society. But this temper tantrum reminds me more and more of Ralph Nader in his days of hubris. Unite behind your candidate and defeat the forces of darkness.

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  9. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

    This is exactly the same thing I’ve heard from fringe players on both sides of the spectrum for years. They never lose, they just get cheated out of their rightful victories because of nefarious plots by Hidden Powers, the Establishment, the CIA, the Illuminati, the forces of Satan, etc. It’s never their fault, it’s always THEM.

    And it’s always the same lament – “We wuz robbed, and we’re gonna GET you for that, just you wait and see!”. If Drumpf is blocked, the Drumpfdroids will pick up their bat & ball and go home. If Bernie doesn’t get the nomination, then the Berniebros will do the same. The immaturity and adolescent angst displayed here by both sides is amusing. They want change, but aren’t willing to do more than yell about how they want change.

    In Bernie’s case, had his base bothered to oh, you know, REGISTER TO VOTE, perhaps he could have had more victories. Had his base realized that you had to be a registered democrat to vote in closed democratic primaries or participate in democratic caucuses or state conventions, gee, things might just have turned out a bit differently. But they didn’t. They never bothered to learn the rules of the game before trying to play the game because that would mean getting their hands dirty, what with all that corrupt system ickiness. And now they’re whinging that they lost because they were cheated.

    No. They lost because they didn’t know what they were doing. Likes, tweets, and pages on social media mean absolutely noting. The ONLY ‘Like’ that counts is the one you cast on a ballot. They simply had no idea what they were doing, and thought (like Drumpf) that they could just bully their way through to victory, and everyone would just collapse before them. However, the democrats have long and bitter experience with radicals trying to mount insurrections, and knew how to deal with it. The GOP? Heh, they’ve been droids for so long that when a radical popped up, they were too terrified by him to mount an effective defense, and now they’re his. Lock, stock, and barrel. Drumpf owns the GOP..

    And now the Berniebros are butthurt. Get over it. Bernie ran a better campaign than his base deserved, but Bernie was so wrapped up in the message that he forgot to do his groundwork, and it cost him. He loved the crowds, but totally forgot that crowds mean absolutely nothing unless they get out and vote. And to do that, they have to register. As democrats. They didn’t. He lost. No cheating, just enthusiastic amateurs thinking they were just going to waltz in and take over. But they forgot one crucial rule.

    Age and experience will always overcome youth and inexperience. Hopefully, they will have learned something from this, gained some experience, and won’t make the same mistakes next time. That’s the nice thing about our system – there is always a next time. Unless, of course, you decide that you’re not going to get involved and walk away. Which means that for you, there is no next time. You admit defeat, and just quit. In which case, you are simply ‘irrelevant’.

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    1. JB20010 June 8, 2016

      Sometimes the only lesson to take from defeat is that you were defeated.

      When you lost the total number of contests 33-23, lost the vote margin 55-42, and lost the vote total by 3.7 million, it wasn’t a matter of anything being rigged against you.

      You just plain got beat.

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      1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

        And you either learn from it and adapt, come back with a better game next time, or you run away and never come out of your house to play ever again. We’ll see what they do.

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  10. elw June 8, 2016

    HA, even in victory it seems that Hillary supporter’s remain arrogant, rude and spew that “them and us” attitude that has been so prevalent throughout the primary. What a shame! As for me, after being a life time Democrat, I am looking for a new party.

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    1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

      Happy trails, amigo!

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    2. jim smith June 8, 2016

      Emotions are high and there was certainly enough done on both sides to make one whince. Remember Bernie’s surrogates made it very personal to Hillary by throwing money at her car and referring to her as a whore. I figure that the cause is more important than the candidate. I supported Hillary but am grateful for the issues Bernie brought to the forefront. I am one of millions of Democrats and Hillary supporters who are thankful for your participation and support of Bernie. Each person has to be able to make a decision as to who to support and when. I hope you consider what it would be like for any of us progressives if someone like Trump took office. If you remove yourself from the voting pool, we all lose, including Bernie’s main accomplishment to engage you. Your vote counts and I hope you find a candidate that you can support so that you make the change and revolution continue. Best of luck!!

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      1. elw June 8, 2016

        I have been voting for over 50 years, I have never read a column that accuses the looser of making the winner’s campaign Illegitimate. That goes beyond emotion – it is just plain vindictive. Being sad because your candidate did not win is emotion. Throwing dollar bills at a moving car is a statement. They are both very different than calling a candidate a whore or blaming the losing candidate for causing the problems your winning candidate always has had, both are disgusting. Hillary has had a perception problem for decades, she is not a likeable person (some of it deserved, some not). Instead of being condescending with Bernie supporter you had better deal with the anger that exist in the Hillary followers, because I can tell you now I am one of millions of his supporters who do not appreciate the kind of rhetoric that this article contains and you can bet that Bernie Sanders and his followers are well aware that they do not need Hillary or the Democratic establishment for making change or for the Revolution that Bernie started to continue. I will be honest, in the beginning I planned to vote for Hillary if she won, because I too thought anyone is better than Trump – now I am not so sure if it is true after hearing accusations of violence that never happened and over and over again listening to the Clinton campaign place blame for the candidate’s well established personal problems on Sanders. Lets face it Hillary is a flawed candidate, not a progressive, and not that much better than Trump. So either way there is going to be a disaster in the making for, at least, 4 years.

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        1. King of America June 8, 2016

          Yes the problem is definitely not the Bernie or Bust crowd, it is somehow Clinton’s fault for (reasons).

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    3. King of America June 8, 2016

      Donald Trump thanks you for the support!

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    4. Independent1 June 9, 2016

      Wow!! You have really let nothing a vindictive narcissist called Sanders drive you off the deep end. I can virtually guarantee you that had Bernie won the nomination and been elected, absolutely no progress would have been made toward any of his campaign issues during his 1st 4 years and he, just like Bush 1, would have been voted out after 1 term.

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      1. elw June 9, 2016

        So are you an example of a gracious supporter of Hillary! Your comment is hardly a way to win the support of Bernie supporters. Same on you!

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        1. Independent1 June 9, 2016

          Why should I be gracious to someone who is spewing total nonsense in trying to discredit the person who will be the Democrat nominee for president?

          You’ve either been living on another planet or have deliberately turned your head the other way. I’ve come across numerous articles about Bernie Bros and Bernie Nuts being outright disruptive and even physically abusive to people who have not hown support for Bernie.

          And for you to question this article about Bernie deliberately trying to illegitamize Hillary’s nomination is just plain nonsensical.

          What do you think Bernie’s reasons have been for constantly harping on trying to discredit the super delegates?? A tradition that has been in the Democrat convention process for decades and which up until Bernie no one has at least made themselves a negative spectacle over??

          And what do you think were Bernie’s reasons for harping constantly in claiming that Hillary isn’t qualified to be president and constantly making other personally derogatory remarks about her, it was not in an effort to claim she wouldn’t be a legitimate candidate??

          When, in fact, Hillary is arguably the most qualified candidate to ever seek the office of President and it is Bernie who really is not qualified because he does not have the temperament to be our president. And in all the 60 years I’ve been following the presidential primaries, I cannot remember one that was filled with so much negativism and Bernie has conjoured up!! Amd wjhy?? Just one more way for Bernie to try and illegitamize the whole primary process.
          If you can’t see that Bernie has been working constantly trying to make the Democrat primary process look bad and Hillary look bad in the process so people will question the legitimacy of her nomination; then you are either totally blind, totally clueless or living in on some other planet!!!!!

          Wake up to the nastiness and vindictiveness of Bernie Sanders!! All Bernie has done the entire primary is complain about one thing or another and suggest that the whole primary process is rigged, when nothing could be further from the truth!!

          It’s all been contrived negativism created by Bernie Sanders to make him look like the victim he is not and to make the whole process looked suspect. How can you be so blind to reality???

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          1. elw June 10, 2016

            All I can say to that rant is when a winning candidate and her surrogates, individuals and the journalist, spend so much effort making negative comments about the losing candidate while bragging about how much greater their candidate is it usually means they are not so sure it is true and not secure in their win. They are also wasting their time.

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          2. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            Negative comments about Bernie? What planet do you live on?

            From Hillary after winning the PA primary:

            I applaud Sen. Sanders and his millions of supporters for challenging us to get unaccountable money out of our politics and giving. Greater emphasis to closing the gap of inequality, and I know together we will get that done. Because whether you support Sen. Sanders, or you support me, there’s much more that unites us than divides us.

            We all agree that wages are too low, and inequality is too high. That Wall Street can never be allowed again to threaten Main Street, and we should expand Social Security, not cut or privatize it. We Democrats agree that college should be affordable to all. Student debt shouldn’t hold anyone back. We Democrats agree that every single agreement should have good and quality affordable healthcare.

            We agree that our next president must keep our country safe. Keep our troops out of another ground war in the Middle East. And we Democrats agree that climate change is an urgent threat, and it requires an aggressive response that can make America the clean energy superpower of the 21st Century.

            And we Democrats agree on defending all of our rights, civil rights, and voting rights, workers rights, and women’s rights, LGBT rights, and rights for people with disabilities. So in this election, we will have to stand together and work hard to prevail against candidates on other side who threaten all those rights and pit Americans against each other.

            http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/26/hillary-clinton-terrifies-republicans-bringing-democrats-victory-speech.html

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          3. elw June 10, 2016

            Give me break – of course Hillary will not say those nasty things directly – she has her surrogate journalist and people like you to do it. Direct quotes from you:

            “Why should I be gracious to someone who is spewing total nonsense in trying to discredit the person who will be the Democrat nominee for president?”

            “You’ve either been living on another planet or have deliberately turned your head the other way”

            And an example of you spreading proven lies trying to discredit Bernie and his supporters:
            “I’ve come across numerous articles about Bernie Bros and Bernie Nuts being outright disruptive and even physically abusive to people who have not shown support for Bernie. Even threatening the life of the woman that ran the Colorado convention when it was Bernie and his illegal supporters that were trying to break Colorado convention rules”

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          4. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            Here’s just one example of Bernie’s supporters getting totally out of control (I’ll post more of them for you to prove that you’re totally delusional):

            Hillary Clinton’s rally in California was cut short this week when a group of Bernie Sanders backers broke out into a loud protest, with some of the demonstrators even turning their anger against children who were backing Clinton.

            http://www.inquisitr.com/3070700/hillary-clintons-rally-shut-down-by-angry-bernie-sanders-supporters-protesters-reportedly-ripped-up-young-girls-pro-clinton-sign/

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          5. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            And how about this one:

            All this was triggered by some ugliness at the Nevada convention, in a state already won by Clinton. Bernie supporters felt they were being treated unfairly when the delegates were allocated. Some of them threw chairs and disrupted the proceedings. And Democratic state chairwoman Roberta Lange received a series of threats, some of them using the C-word and other slurs.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/19/bernie-backers-get-violent-now-its-democrats-facing-civil-war.html

            And the fact is that Bernie’s supporters tried to stack the convention with more delegates than they were allowed, which is what really started the nastiness. And many of those they tried to bring into the convention hadn’t registered as Democrats by May 1 which was the deadline for registration. It’s was Bernie’s supporters who WERE BREAKING THE RULES!!!..

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          6. elw June 10, 2016

            How about that one, as it turned out what the media and the Democratic establishment claimed in Nevada was proven wrong and much of the media with-drew their claims:
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/national-media-retracts-its-claim_b_10132518.html
            Stop spreading lies. When are people like you going to learn that you can not change what the camera eye can see, and if you make claims that are not true, you better be sure no one is filming it. There was not one arrest at the convention with hundred of police present, and no one was hurt. Hundreds of feet of film and not one with someone throwing chairs.

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          7. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            Nobodies trying to spread lies, I’m posting articles that have been published in the mainstream media. Just like Bernie, you’ve developed a big mouth making unfounded accusations. Talk about lying.

            What have you got into this campaign of Bernie’s that you will continuously refuse to believe reality?? Bernie Sanders is nothing but a vindictive old snakeoil salesman.

            So there’s been no proof provided yet on the chair throwing, well that doesn’t justify Bernie’s supporters issuing even death threats and violence against the convention organizers and even suggesting there will be violence at the national convention:

            His response follows multiple reports of angry Sanders supporters flipping chairs at the Paris Las Vegas Hotel event and growing evidence of violent texts and voicemails that targeted Nevada Democratic Party chairwoman Roberta Lange and her family. (A few of those disturbing messages, which include calling Lange a “corrupt bitch,” can be heard here.) Some supporters even talked about “guaranteed fires” taking place at July’s Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

            “This group of about 100 were very vocal and I can’t describe it,” Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who was present at the convention, told CNN. “Disrespectful doesn’t even explain it, it was worse than that.”

            Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid expressed his disappointment in Sanders’ response, saying he was “better than that.”

            “Bernie should say something—not have some silly statement,” Reid said. “Bernie is better than that. I’m surprised by his statement. I thought he was going to do something different.”

            Earlier on Tuesday, while campaigning in Puerto Rico, whose Democratic caucus will be on June 5, Sanders dodged a reporter’s question about his supporters’ behavior by turning his back and walking away.

            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/bernie-sanders-nevada-convention-dea

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          8. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            And does this bother you at all? An article written by someone who was endorsing Bernie??

            The Bernie Bros are real. I’ve been the target of Bernie Bros on social media, and when I endorsed Sen. Sanders at a Brooklyn rally in front of more than 30,000 people, a not insignificant portion of the audience booed me for praising Clinton in my remarks. Forget the plainly self-defeating results of that behavior in terms of trying to recruit would-be Hillary supporters to Bernie’s column. It was disturbing from a visceral, human level.

            It’s also too easy to suggest that Sanders’ supporters are a different kind of angry than Trump’s. Are we entirely sure about that? The populist right may be more inclined toward misogyny and xenophobia, but the populist left is not immune from these afflictions. And as I’ve written before, when you see progressive white men—many of whom enthusiastically supported Barack Obama’s candidacy—hate Clinton with every fiber of their being despite the fact that she’s a carbon copy of Obama’s ideology (or in fact now running slightly to his left), it’s hard to find any other explanation than sexism. Either way, the brutish, boorish behavior of Bernie Bros (and their female compatriots, too) was a huge reason I was reluctant to seemingly side with them in endorsing Sanders—and has been the only reason I have ever questioned my decision to do so since.

            But what’s perhaps most disconcerting to me about the events in Nevada is that if you remove the ideological valence, it’s easy to see an anti-establishment movement rising across the U.S. that is disturbingly proto-violent. Let me be clear: I am all for populist mass social movements and even anti-elite revolutions. The sooner the better. But what I am not for is hate and violence in the service of those ends, movements that seek to lift up their marginalized base by marginalizing others.

            http://time.com/4339865/bernie-sanders-supporters-violence/

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          9. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            I’m going to leave you with one last thought – Bernie is not qualified to be president. When he was growing up he avoided the draft by claiming to be a conscientious objector- meaning he doesn’t believe in war. Which is okay, but if you choose to claim that, then you also disqualify yourself from ever being president of the U.S, where the president is commander and chief of the armed forces.
            The American people voting Bernie Sanders in as president would be like the Cardinals in the Vatican appointing an atheist as Pope.

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          10. Independent1 June 10, 2016

            And here’s an article on Bernie trying to deflect violence being committed by his supporters by claiming he’s held rallies all across the nation with no violence. Well, no one claimed there was violence at Bernie’s rallies – it’s his supporters that were creating violence at other candidates rallies that was the problem:

            After an unruly and chaotic Nevada Democratic convention over the weekend, Bernie Sanders is doubling down on accusations that the state party treated him unfairly and has denied that his supporters were inciting violence.

            “Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is nonsense,” the Democratic presidential hopeful said in a statement Tuesday. “Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals.”

            http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-sanders-doubles-down-on-nevada-convention-controversy/

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          11. plc97477 June 10, 2016

            You will have to give me a link to those negative comments because I have yet to hear of any.

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    5. Independent1 June 9, 2016

      And have you considered that over 75% of Bernie’s primary wins were in states that ran caucuses where less than 2% of the voting electorate took part? and that the majority of those states were red states? Just like yesterday, what two states did Bernie win – two more red states.

      And just how in your mind do you just write off the fact that Hillary got more than 3 million more votes than Bernie?? How do you just pass that off??

      So in your mind, where does fairness come in here?? It’s clear that most of Bernie’s primary wins did not necessarily reflect the feelings of the vast majority of the DEMOCRAT electorate in the states he won because less than 2% participated in the primary. While it’s quite clear that with Hillary winning more than 3 million more votes, that she clearly better represents who a far larger portion of the Democratic party members really want to see be the nominee.

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      1. elw June 9, 2016

        How does any of that have anything to do with my comment? It was not about who won, it is about the attitude of those that did. Did you read the article that my comment is connect with? The man accused Bernie of making Hillary’s win illegitimate, now how does an opponent make the winner’s win illegitimate? It is not about fairness it is about the many untrue accusations against Bernie and his followers during the campaign and after she clearly has won, the demand that Bernie make his 10 million followers fall in line, the constant nagging that he drop out of the race and those many Clinton supporters who name call anyone supporting Bernie in comment sections like this (not you, I know you do not do that). I do not know about you but I find nothing more obnoxious than a winner who is arrogant and nasty to those who lost. Look it is up to Hillary to win the confidence of the opponent followers and none of the untrue accusation and name calling will do that. It is a turn off, I was going to vote for Hillary if she won, personally I think she is a horrible candidate, but I was going to hold my nose and vote for her. But she and her followers changed my mind, that might not have happened if the wild accusations had stopped after her clear win in CA, but they did not and no has their leader told them to. I see my November choice between the Big Bad GOP Candidate and the little bit less, big bad DNC candidate. I am not sure I can even force myself to vote for either one.

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  11. vabado4u June 8, 2016

    The political media in this country is so bad, it’s obvious why more and more people flock to Trump and empathize with Bernie supporters. It’s hilarious how the media is upset and panicking by not being able to steer, control and predict the process as precise as they wish. The majority of some demographics will still side with the old guard and the likes of Clitons and Bushes but the tide is turning and rightfully so and rippling through all demographics.

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    1. Siegfried Heydrich June 8, 2016

      You can find ‘political media’ to suit your taste, no matter what it is. From Deadbart, Infoslurs and World Nut daily to Smurfington, Daily Krok, or Yo Mamma Jones, there’s a media outlet that will tell you whatever you want to hear. So just WHAT ‘political media’ are you referring to?

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      1. vabado4u June 12, 2016

        Big corporate TV media.

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        1. Siegfried Heydrich June 12, 2016

          Ah, you mean like Fox?

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          1. vabado4u April 25, 2017

            Yes, Fox is considered big and corporate. You still playing that “my news source is better than you” game? Do you wear a CBS News T-Shirt with a NBC News Hat? Maybe a Fox News headband?

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          2. ♚ King Leo ♚ April 26, 2017

            Reminder: you are replying to 10-12 month old comments b/c you are nuts.

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          3. vabado4u November 10, 2017

            Typical Democrat, you’re presumptive, nasty and pathetic!

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          4. christmas is canceled November 10, 2017

            Reminder: the previous post, to which you are now responding, was itself 7 months old, b/c you are nuts.

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          5. vabado4u December 3, 2017

            You nasty old demented democrat. Hahahaha

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          6. ☭! December 3, 2017

            OK crazy. Another month. Very normal.

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    2. King of America June 8, 2016

      Right, people voted for Hillary because of all the favourable media coverage she gets. That is definitely something that happened, for reals.

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      1. vabado4u June 12, 2016

        The coverage she gets is better than most. Haven’t you heard of any publicity is good publicity?

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        1. King of America June 12, 2016

          Hahahaha sorry, that isn’t true.

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          1. vabado4u April 25, 2017

            Yes, it is true. Look in the mirror. If she wasn’t a Democrat and you didn’t like her more than Trump, you wouldn’t disagree.

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          2. ♚ King Leo ♚ April 25, 2017

            that comment was made 10 months ago, crazy person

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          3. vabado4u April 25, 2017

            LOL – do u have dementia?

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          4. ♚ King Leo ♚ April 25, 2017

            I don’t see why you have to resort to personal abuse, crazy guy who is replying to year-old comments

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  12. Who Me? June 9, 2016

    Good article. I hate Bernie and his bots more every day. The sexist vile remarks they make at we Hillary supporters on twitter everyday are revolting. They aren’t Dems. they are barely voters. Many of us agree, we find no difference between bernie bots and trump bots.. they are all bottom feeders. nutjobs, crazy, uninformed, sexist, racist (yes both of those apply).

    Now comes news that AP had to warn their reporters to be safe because bernie bots are threatening their lives.

    Politico printed an explosive article yesterday about Bernie and his campaign, his bitterness, his attempt at revenge against people he hates like DWS and Barney Frank, both of whom he wants removed from their positions in the Dem platform.. the article just reveals alot about this old senile nut.. He was at the center of the viciousness in his campaign.. made all the calls. Even when some rational people in his campaign knew it was over a long time ago and wanted him to tone it down.

    It’s a good read:
    https://t.co/pYKGmqo77K

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    1. King of America June 9, 2016

      It really is only a tiny fraction (unfortunately the most vocal) of his followers that are like this. His campaign and – sadly – he himself are terrible, but most of the people supporting him did so for the best of reasons; he didn’t deserve them.

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    2. Visual51 June 9, 2016

      How do you know they are actual Bernie supporters? Trolls are everywhere. It’s a real job for many people to spout right wing garbage on legitimate left wing sites. Look at Matt Taibbi’s comments on RollingStone.com, most are vile trolls almost keep me from reading the comments.

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  13. JESchwartz June 9, 2016

    Time for Bernie to be a MENSCH (Yiddish for a person of honor and integrity) and support Hillary is a positive way. Educating his followers that there really are substantive differences between Democrats and Republicans on just about every single issue would be a good place to start. I had read the Politico article that Who Me? references and I hope he’s not that vindictive and selfish. I can imagine that if you’ve toiled in relative obscurity most of your working life it must be pretty intoxicating to have all those people cheering for you.

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  14. Bill Thompson June 9, 2016

    You’re a good lapdog Gene Lyons, keep smearing Bernie supporters faces in the mud, that will help unite the party.

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  15. Mark Emulsion June 9, 2016

    I believe that the criticism of the electoral system, such as it’s dependence on corporate money and the use of “superdelegates” to end-run around primaries and caucus’, is a valid one. It’s true that Sanders knew the system going in, but that is precisely why a large part of his platform has been about how the electoral system is corrupted by these factors– especially by the corporate money. To blame him for making Clinton’s nomination “illegitimate,” simply because he has taken on the system from Day 1, is facile and ignores the widespread feeling among voters, especially younger ones, that the system is indeed rigged– not simply against Sanders, but against anyone outside of those receiving the party powerbrokers’ blessings. My take is that it is up to the Democratic Party, and its new standard bearer, to answer the critique and explain why the system and its dependence on corporate money (which predates Citizen United by a few decades) is fair and sound. To say to Sanders “OK, you gave your criticism and you didn’t win, so shut up and go home now, we don’t want to deal with you any longer” is simply to sweep the critique under the rug and pretend it doesn’t exist. The only ones that can make Clinton’s nomination “illegitimate” are the Secretary and/or the Party themselves by not addressing the criticism in a forthright manner.

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  16. RusInMass June 13, 2016

    The Electoral College has nothing to do with party nominating elections.

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  17. Tamara Baker June 15, 2016

    From what I’ve seen, the kids (the ones, that is, that aren’t Rand Paul people in disguise) are fine. It’s the old hippies who never grew up and learned about politics that are the problem.

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