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Mr. President, You Lied

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Mr. President, You Lied

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Dear Mr. President:

You lied.

More often than anyone can count you’ve said some version of the following in defense of the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.”

We learn now that perhaps as many as two million Americans cannot, in fact, do that under the new law. It requires that health insurance cover a comprehensive range of benefits, though more modest policies can be grandfathered in, provided those policies have not been significantly changed since the ACA was enacted in 2010. Anyone whose policy fails to meet one of those two criteria must get a new one.

So what you said was incorrect, and that’s bad enough. You made matters worse in a Nov. 4 speech in which you claimed you didn’t say what you did.

“What we said,” you told the audience, “was, you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” The Pants on Fire rating that you got from PolitiFact was richly deserved.

It is hardly news that presidents lie. Bill Clinton parsed an intransitive verb to hide his dalliance with a White House intern, George W. Bush claimed he never advocated “stay the course” in Iraq, Ronald Reagan swore he never traded weapons for hostages to arm the Contras in Nicaragua, Lyndon Johnson escalated U.S. involvement in Vietnam by claiming American warships had suffered unprovoked attacks in the Gulf of Tonkin, Richard Nixon said, “I’m not a crook.”

But surely you understand by now that you are not just another president. You are, rather, the embodiment of a movement, Exhibit A in the argument that a new America is taking shape before our eyes. So, the rules and expectations are different for you. No one who has been buoyed by that movement, no citizen of that new America, wants to see you acting like just another president, any more than anyone wanted to see Jackie Robinson strike out or Neil Armstrong stumble while stepping off the lunar lander.

Is that fair? No. So what?

You are probably familiar with the political axiom that one campaigns in poetry, but governs in prose. That’s true enough, ordinarily, something voters understand, if only instinctively. But the byproduct of embodying a movement is that when you promise poetry, people expect a little poetry. This latest episode amounts to torpid prose.

Leonard Pitts Jr.

Leonard Pitts Jr. is a nationally syndicated commentator, journalist, and novelist. Pitts' column for the Miami Herald deals with the intersection between race, politics, and culture, and has won him multiple awards including a Pulitzer Prize in 2004.

The highly regarded novel, Freeman (2009), is his most recent book.

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  1. theoldsheepherder November 13, 2013

    By all means, keep those worthless policies with spartan coverage that will certainly leave you bankrupt if you get anything more serious than the sniffles. The only condition should be that all these policies are compiled and listed by the insurance companies as Republican Health Advantage. That way as health misfortunes befall these racist simpletons who refuse to buy the cheaper and better Obamacare, it can be written that yet another family is bankrupt, sick, and dying due to Republican Health Advantage.

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    1. silence dogood November 13, 2013

      He lied 36 times.

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      1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

        it’s for your own good, don’t you know that? obama knows best.

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        1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

          The Republicans forcing their beliefs and policies on the rest of us. Good photo choice.

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          1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            what policies are those that were forced on you? the ACA?

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          2. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            Forcing women to have babies they don’t want. Having medical procedures they don’t need or want in an effort to stop them from having an abortion. In one state, telling doctors to lie to them. Preventing the President from his nominees for Judicial vacancies, because they have a different point of view from them. Trying to force their religious beliefs onto everyone else regardless of how or what they choose to believe. You and others are bitching and moaning about the ACA and I agree there are problems, but where are the solutions being offered. Why not use the energy that is being used to bitch and moan to offer solutions to the problems, whether it be jobs, poverty or ACA. How do we protect the 40 plus million uninsured, because we either do this or we continue to pay for them going to the emergency rooms that will render service to them and we pay for it than with increased medical costs resulting in increased premiums.

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          3. dpaano November 13, 2013

            Discus: They don’t HAVE solutions….they can only whine and complain. If they had solutions, they would have come up with them a LONG time ago….around the time they said they would give us jobs…..remember that?

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          4. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            you’ll like these ones too then

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          5. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            Hey infadelicious I am not as computer savoy as you, please tell me how you get your photos into your posts? It can not be a cut and paste and does it work on all blogs?

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  2. sigrid28 November 13, 2013

    If Americans were as savvy about buying health insurance as they are about buying a car, they’d save a lot of money and have a better “ride” in life when it comes to the health of their families. But they are not savvy in this way, yet. It comes as a surprise to many, that whatever health insurance they buy, they’re going to have to live with it for at least a year, though they would be happy to extend the life of a decent policy. So impulse buying is only for the wealthy and the foolish.

    Americans have to learn to approach this decision as a four-step process: First, determine what you (or your family) really needs. If you cannot afford a Rolls Royce, are you better off with an SUV or an cheap sedan? Second, read the small print BEFORE you purchase a policy, not after. It should be part of comparison shopping. Third, you have to learn how three kinds of expenses work in each policy: premiums, deductibles, and copays. Four, determine how much you can afford to pay each month toward these three costs.

    I’m hopeful when I see boats and trailers, trucks and RVs, and old and new cars of every description in the driveways and parking lots of our Iowa river town. People who can live so happily with the confusion of buying and selling these vehicles can develop the skill set needed to become savvy consumers in the healthcare marketplace.

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    1. TZToronto November 13, 2013

      Many (most?) think they’ll never get sick or injured. You can see that in a lot of the posts from the people are vehemently opposed to the ACA (and President Obama).

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      1. FT66 November 13, 2013

        It is narrow thinking of those who think they will never get sick or injured. It is like thinking, they will live forever and never die. These are kind of people who need ACA very badly, because they are sick in the heads without knowing they are.

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  3. infadelicious November 13, 2013

    liar liar pants on fire

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  4. Dominick Vila November 13, 2013

    There is something very wrong with the party of Nixon (Watergate), Reagan (Iran-Contra), Bush (Iraq) calling President Obama a liar because his statement about people with existing policies being able to keep them if they wished, not being 100% accurate.
    The reason some policies (about 5%) are being cancelled and replaced with better policies is because the insurance policies championed by the GOP don’t meet minimum standards of coverage established in the ACA legislation.

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    1. 2010HDSTGLIDE November 13, 2013

      Maybe better coverage but definately at a bigger price.

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      1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

        they are trying to spin obama’s ” better coverage at a lower cost ” by saying he meant to say “compared to what they would have been if obama didn’t ram the aca through”.. it’s like their crappy jobs creation, they called them jobs that were “created or saved”. And they call massive spending increases “investment” it’s a big joke, a sad joke on the American public while they save their own jobs and posh health care which is not like the crap care they want us to buy.

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        1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254596/-Another-Health-Insurer-Caught-Falsely-Cancelling-Thousands-of-Health-Plans?detail=email
          Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 01:12 PM PST
          Another Health Insurer Caught Falsely Cancelling Thousands of Health Plans
          byVyanFollow

          Following the report that Insurer Humana was fined $65,000 in Kentucky for sending out 6,500 misleading cancellation letters for low-premiums plans only to be automatic re-enrollment in high cost plans before these customers were given a chance to shop on the open exchange for a better and cheaper plan – we now have a new report that Anthem Blue Cross is being sued for tricking people into dropping their
          “grandfathered” plans. Think that’s bad, well this is even worse.

          http://thinkprogress.org/

          “Blue Cross successfully enticed tens of thousands of its individual policyholders to switch out of their grandfathered health plans and forever lose their protected grandfathered
          status,” states the lawsuit. “Blue Cross concealed information about the consequences of switching plans and intentionally misled its policyholders to encourage the replacement of grandfathered policies.”

          And more… http://www.ibtimes.com/

          The lawsuits, filed Monday in Superior Court, may signal an emerging customer pushback against the approximately 900,000 cancellations in California alone of individual health insurance policies that will take effect Dec. 31. 900,000
          Cancellations. False Cancellations of plans that, which under the Affordable Care Act are “Grandfathered” and Don’t Need to be Cancelled. The Insurance Companies are doing it to Scam their Customers into higher cost plans and away from the ACA Exchanges in a practice that violates State Law known as “Twisting”.

          The plaintiffs, Paul Simon, 39, and Catherine Corker, 63, of California say that they are among the customers that Anthem
          Blue Cross pressured to drop their grandfathered policies in 2011 without giving them all the facts about new Obamacare requirements that could raise the price of their plans in an effort to cut its own costs. Simon and Corker would have preferred to remain on the grandfathered plans permitted by the law, and are now asking the courts to block Anthem from canceling any more policies unless the company allows consumers to switch back into their grandfathered plans.

          “This is about an insurance company manipulating the situation and concealing the facts,” said William Shernoff, an
          attorney for both the plaintiffs, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. “We are asking the court to give our clients and everybody else in the same situation the option of going back to their grandfathered policies.”

          These lawsuits may take some time to work their way through the court system, but what can work even more quickly is the CA State Insurance Commission and also the Court of public opinion. Just like in Kentucky the CA Commission has the
          ability and power to Restore These Improperly Cancelled Plans and get customers back the “Plan they Prefer” if that’s what they truly want.
          Perhaps if a few (thousand) of the customers who received letters claiming their “grandfathered” plan was cancelled were to contact that commissioners office, there might be some action on this faster rather than later.

          http://www.insurance.ca.gov/

          California
          Department of Insurance
          Consumer Services Division
          300 South Spring Street, South Tower
          Los Angeles, CA 90013

          California
          Department of Insurance
          Fraud Division
          9342 Tech Center Drive, Suite 100
          Sacramento, CA 95826
          fraud@insurance.ca.gov
          800-927-HELP (4357)

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          1. elw November 13, 2013

            Great post. Typical health insurer behavior. They have been doing things like this for decades. They all have paid 100s of thousands in fines, but their profits are large enough that it does not seem to bother them.

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        2. itsfun November 13, 2013

          A lot of part time jobs are being created, to bad they used to be full time jobs. With people losing their full time employment and the costs of the wonderful health care tax, watch and see how many new foreclosures and car repossessions we get.

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          1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            correct! And the things you mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg that the Failboat Obamacare is crashing into. The unions knew this and began stomping their feet and whining to obama, who is now considering giving them an obamacare subsidy. This Affordable Care Act is NOT affordable in any way. We the taxpayers will be bailing out all kinds of special interest groups and making obama’s buddies rich. How long are we gonna put up with this guy shakin’ us down Chicago style to buy other peoples votes?

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          2. dpaano November 13, 2013

            I’d be interested in knowing if you have health insurance….either through your employer, your spouse’s employer, or Medicare? Who are you to talk unless you’re one of the uninsured people in the U.S. that our taxpayer money is going to pay your medical bills when you go to the ER for a cold!!

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          3. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            Who am I to talk? Who are you to ask “Who i am to talk”? Why does the left always try to shut down any one who disagrees with them:? Any American has the right to say anything they want PERIOD!!!! That includes me, you and all the other posters here, ok?? free country and public forum. Trust me, you certainly are not paying for my medical care and we all have the potential to be one of the uninsured, thanks to obama lying about the ACA. If one has an insurance plan and has to switch or even keep the same one, the premiums will be going up to be sure. Some will not be able to afford the new plan. This is one big train wreck and it’s heading for another bailout as if it hasn’t cost us enough with the set up epic failure alone. Can’t wait to hear how the messiah explains how amnesty is going to reduce the deficit.

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          4. dpaano November 13, 2013

            I certainly did NOT say that you can’t talk…..I merely asked who you were to talk about this unless you were uninsured and were having problems. I know of MANY people who are thrilled with Obamacare and the internet here in California. As for insurance, I still have my employer-provided health insurance….sure, the premium went up from $83/paycheck to $92/paycheck, but it’s gone up that much each and every year of the 7 years I’ve been here. My benefits haven’t changed since Aetna already provided us with preventative care (thank goodness).
            As for who is paying for your medical care….we’re all paying currently for those who are uninsured and have only the ER to turn to when they have problems. I, for one, will be happy that my taxpayer money will be going to help these uninsured people get insurance so I don’t have to pay more in the future because they weren’t able to get proper care early!
            Please get a life…..BTW, your “cartoons” are disgusting, but I guess that’s your perogative as one of those right-wing individuals who chooses to listen to Faux News and other conservative media!

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          5. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            That’s great that your benefits and cost for them haven’t changed much. That’s not the case for many many others. I am insured at my own cost so you are not paying for me. You can’t resist getting in your little “get a life” and “faux news”. you left out glenn beck, rush limbaugh blah blah blah. You need to get out more . Quit putting everyone you disagree with in a neat little labelled box. You don’t know me at all. As for disgusting cartoons, you’ll have to get over it. When you can call out some of people on here for the disgusting things they say about tea partiers or conservatives or former republican presidents then come and talk to me about my cartoonsl You guys have your man in for 8 years. Don’t be a sore winner dude! Why does a little criticism bother you so much? I’ve had people on here wish for me to die. what is up with that? anger management is in order, that is not normal. I know another group of intolerant people who try to shut you up and even threaten to kill you over cartoons.You would I am sure laugh and chuckle if i put up a Bush cartoon or mocked him wouldn’t you? maybe i’ll post one for you. Hillary Clinton said “I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration” And I think it was Bush who said about the reelection of obama “fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on me……..or maybe it was i won’t get fooled again”

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          6. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            Yeah, just who are you?

            The bumper sticker I saw recently says it best: Why don’t closed minds come with closed mouths?

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          7. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep running of the talking points. We all know it’s no coverage or anything else for the poor you want.

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      2. elw November 13, 2013

        Not in all cases. In fact most of those people whose policies were cancelled had policies that covered so little that the cost of them were a rip-off.

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        1. 2010HDSTGLIDE November 13, 2013

          My policy was cancelled and will be replaced with what meets the requirements for the ACA. I can only speek for me but my premium is going up in January when my new plan starts. It will not be a better plan for me but I don’t have a choice. My current plan was pretty expensive, over ( $1000.00) per month for husband and wife. I do not have all the details yet of my new plan except that there will be a substantial premium increase and maybe some coverage that I don’t need at my age. I will have to wait and see. I do think that the American people are being ripped off by big insurance.

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          1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            🙁 sorry but I think $1000 a month is a lot of money. I hope your premiums don’t get raised too much. This president and the people who still defend his lying to ram the ACA through should be ashamed, They have put a huge burden on those responsible enough to have shopped for and paid for their own plans. If any business had used the ole obama “bait and switch” tactic, the policy would be void and/or you could take the snakeoil salesman to court.. But he is the president backed up by blindly obedient sheep, so we are screwed…………..maybe…

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          2. Justin Napolitano November 13, 2013

            If you have insurance and are not being cancelled you should just shut up and let people that are affected comment. You can not tell me about your neighbor getting cancelled and paying twice as much because I don’t believe you and your neighbor should speak for themselves. If it isn’t obvious, some of you folks would bitc& about Obama if he personally gave you a tax break. Oh, I forgot, he did when he lowered the SS tax for two years. I’ll bet you bich^ed about that too, didn’t you.

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          3. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            Engineer my butt!!!! Sure sure Don’t have to shut up. Free country despite the lying thug community organizing punk in spite house. Shalom. 😉

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          4. Justin Napolitano November 14, 2013

            And I am free to tell you to shut up, aren’t I?

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          5. infadelicious November 14, 2013

            of course, pudding pop, that’s one of your traits as a democrat, to silence any oppostion I am not a democrat so I won’t tell you to shut up. Don’t you have “engineering stuff” to do? Killary cankles clinton said
            “I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
            America is great isn’t it? free country despite obozo. God bless America…..;-) we can agree on that right?

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          6. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            By the way engineer ( snicker). I never mentioned a neighbour. Quit fabricating and or mixing up people that post. Get a grip – were you drinking koolaid again? Or eleanore juice? Calm down then read the post again. Breathe then reply and post ok? Sheesh

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          7. elw November 13, 2013

            Sounds like you should wait and see before you get upset. Be sure to compare what your insurance company offers you to what you can find on the exchange. It has been in the news around the Country that the major health insurers are making offers that are far more than what could be gotten on the exchange for people like you, some of the companies have been fined by the States they are licensed in for the misinformation they have been sending in the letters. You should not trust them.

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      3. Dominick Vila November 14, 2013

        My eldest son, tried to get insurance coverage for himself and his family after his employment with one of the largest software companies came to an end, and he started his own business about six months ago. He was quoted $700 for individual coverage, and $1,800 for family coverage. He joined an ACA exchange about a week ago and managed to get family coverage for $700, substantially less than what he was quoted in the private marketplace. Obviously, $700 a month is pretty stiff, but bear in mind that high premiums like the one he pays are influenced by income, and the fact that he is not eligible for subsidies.
        The folks that will benefit the most from ACA are those who cannot afford to pay the current premiums, and who often go without healthcare insurance.

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    2. itsfun November 13, 2013

      Isn’t it just wonderful how we can just spin words? Obama is a liar. Words do mean something. He knew for 3 years people would lose their insurance and he kept telling every citizen they could keep their policy. He said if they LIKED their policy they could keep it. You just write off the 5% but keep defending the policy that effected the 85% with insurance to give 15% insurance. Who are you to say the 5% is getting better insurance. They don’t need the requirements. A single man of 50 or 60 certainty doesn’t need paternity insurance. They won’t be having any babies. Women don’t need prostrate cancer insurance. People had what they liked. Obama’s lies are bigger than just health insurance. What world leaders will ever believe a word he says now. How will they trust someone that has been caught listening to their private phone calls. They are watching him lie about knowing nothing about scandals until he reads it in the newspapers.

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      1. TZToronto November 13, 2013

        If you look in the dictionary for “liar,” you’ll see the pictures of every politician who ever lived. What President Obama should have said was, “If you like the health insurance you have now, you’ll be able to keep it–IF it meets the minimum standards set out in the ACA.” I don’t know that President Obama was aware of the proportion of health care insurance policies that could be classified as garbage.

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        1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

          BUT he didn’t say that and he had 36 opportunities to say that. He should have been aware of the policy that has his own name on it. His staff heard him say it, why didn’t they tell him? someone should be fired. I agree that all politiicians lie, it’s just that most are not held accountable. it’s sickening, obama’s lie affects every American citizen, a lot of them in a negative way.His excuse of “not being aware” is wearing thin from overuse.

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          1. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            His staff did tell him. Wel, to be accurate, SOME of his staff told him.
            Those on the staff that proof check what goes into his speeches were against the repeated use “You can keep … PERIOD” while those on the political side overruled them and Barry signed off delivering the premeditated lie in his speeches.

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          2. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            It is a fact he lied, but the koolaid drinking sheep defend him. It’s cultlike blind obedience.

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          3. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            36 opportunities? Are you sure it wasn’t 37? Or 34?

            I don’t know how many posts you have on this site, but I’m sure it’s a lot more than 36. Have you told the truth in any of them?

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          4. jnap November 17, 2013

            Let’s see, for 95% of Americas their insurance is not changing except for the better so 5% will have to get a new policy, which is also better.
            I think that is an acceptable fib. Further many of us don’t care.
            Bush lied and several hundred thousand are dead; Obama fibbed and everyone gets better health insurance, which will save us billions over time and help the collective health of our citizens. I wonder what way the scale it tipping on the lying thing?

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          5. infadelicious November 17, 2013

            If you like your plan and doctor you can keep then PERIOD. An average saving of $2500. Benghazi deaths of Americans were caused by a utube video. I was not aware of ( fill in the many blanks) I did not draw that red line etc. It’s a list of lies that grows every day from the liar/misleader in chief

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          6. jnap November 17, 2013

            Is that all you have, stupid remarks? How about I don’t care what you think? I posted my argument and you posted yours, discussion over. Further, if you had watched the debates with Romney you know that Obama called it a terrorist attack the next day. Romney made himself look like a fool when he said Obama didn’t and then had to watch a video of Obama calling it a terrorist attack. Romney lost, got it?

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          7. infadelicious November 17, 2013

            Those are quotes from TelePrompter Jesus. You can call them stupid remarks and i will agree . The president acted stupidly. Free country and open forum. Simple solution is to NOT reply to me with your blathering comments OK? Obama continues to make himself look like a blubbering stuttering fool Got that?? Why do you guys fly into a grand mal profanity laced hissy fit when anyone presents the truth about Obama is mystifying Sheesh! Even when you see him blatantly lie you spin it into something good. It’s downright cultish Ease up on the purple drank yo!

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          8. itsfun November 17, 2013

            Your are 100% correct. Obama has lost all of any credibility he had left in the world and in America. Who will know when he is telling another lie, or just making it up as he goes along. Whoops, he can’t be accused of making it up as he goes along, because he can only repeat what he is reading.

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          9. jnap November 17, 2013

            I don’t care. A small fib that helps people is far better than a lie from Bush that killed several hundred thousand people.
            If you can’t understand the difference there is no reason to continue this conversation.

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          10. infadelicious November 17, 2013

            The small fib he repeated 36 times affects hundreds of millions of people’s lives and yes will kill people probably more than he killed with drones so far . . Calling it a small fib is like calling the Hiroshima bombing a water balloon attack . Man you are really under the koolaid spell aren’t you? One little fib? This guy has been spitting out blatant whoppers like a lidless popcorn maker from day one. Wake the *!#* up for the love of Pete! That’s the problem with liberals they don’t care !

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          11. itsfun November 17, 2013

            It was not a acceptable fib. It was a LIE. period. He has lost any credibility he may have had. What world leader will ever believe him again, when they have seen him lie over and over to his own citizens? What else has he lied to us about?. Has Obama lied about Benghazi, the IRS targeting conservative groups, the spying on AP reporters, the gun giving to the Mexican drug cartels targeting a Fox reporter. His standard answer is I don’t a thing about it. He sounds like the Sergent in Hogans Heroes ( I know nothing). This old defense of knowing nothing and blaming George Bush for everything that goes wrong has worn out. next will be the good ole race card coming out to blame the evil white male.

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        2. itsfun November 13, 2013

          This is a lie that effect every American citizen. If Obama did not know how many would be affected, it is just a another sign of his incompetence. If he had told the truth, it is very doubtful the ACA would have passed. Its not like he promised everyone they could keep their insurance just once or twice. There are numerous videos out showing him telling the lie. What is just as bad as the lie, is him lying to get out of the first lie. He has no credibility left now. A recent poll showed that over 50% of Americans do not trust him or believe him. This is a terrible thing for a President.

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          1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            that’s basically what i just said in my post to the same person. I got a downvote, of course. 36 times on film this guy lies and all they can say is “he should have said”.. well , hell yes he should have but he didn’t. 36 opportunities to mislead and ram the ACA through. . And the ole “he wasn’t aware of it” is bs. It has his name on it, he should have known. He is aware alright. You are correct that it would not have passed if people knew what would happen. He broke a promise to the American people. Look at the dems jumping ship.. Bill Clinton, probably just to distance killary from the ACA so she can run in 2016 and feinstein and others are all bailing on him.

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          2. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            No replies for you.

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          3. infadelicious November 13, 2013

            No reply was wanted from you. You flatter yourself You must be French yes?

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          4. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            And how many trust you pathetic creeps? Congressional GOPers are at the lowest approval since polling began.

            Next week, the polls may show the opposite, the public being fickle, ill-informed, and often manipulated by cleverly-designed “polls.” Of course, none of those GOP people you’re ready to embrace have EVER EVER even attempted to slightly mislead anyone, right?

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          5. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            President Obama’s “lie” will save millions of lives in the long run. GW Bush’s lies resulted in the deaths of several thousand American troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

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          6. itsfun November 14, 2013

            His lies are going to cost millions their homes, auto, and more. If they are forced to spend more money on their health insurance than their house payment is, how will they keep their homes, and other possessions.

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          7. jnap November 17, 2013

            So they will not buy any insurance and save money since the crap policies that they had didn’t cover anything anyway. The penalty is so low many may just do that if they can’t afford it even with a tax credit. Until you sign up you don’t know what your final cost will be. Further, they can do that by phone and by talking to their insurance agents.

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          8. jnap November 17, 2013

            Oh, I got it, Obama knew exactly how many crap policies were out there after the ACA was enacted, right. For all we know most of those policies were sold after the ACA was in effect so they could not be grandfathered. But who cares? If you have poor insurance get a new policy. You will be better off because of it.

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          9. itsfun November 17, 2013

            What is a crap policy? People are using the term, but I have never seen it defined. If the policy was working for the folks that bought it, who are you and anyone else to say it is a crappy policy? Obama admitted in his fix it speech he knew at least 2% of the people would lose their insurance policy. I guess the 2% means nothing to him. The people that lost their policies care! Do you know that if a policy premium was reduced, it is still disqualified to be grandfathered. Saying people will be better off means absolutely nothing. If someone’s policy goes up 3 or 4 or more hundred per month, how can that make them better off. Will folks be forced to make a choice between making a house or car payment after being forced by the government to buy government approved health care?

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          10. jnap November 17, 2013

            I’ll tell you from personal experience.. Once you get into your early sixties no one wants to insure you. The problem is that if you let you insurance lapse you can never get insurance again. That is absolutely true if you have a preexisting condition. I did not have any preexisting conditions and neither did my wife but the cost was very high for insurance that covered the things that Obamacare covers today. So we got one of those crap policies that didn’t cover everything and took our chances. After a trip to the emergency room that cost several thousand dollars we found out that the insurance would not pick up that kind of treatment or cost until we spent $5,000.00 out of pocket. The fine print got us.
            Fuc the insurance companies, they would screw their own mothers to make a buck. Obamacare is the best thing, besides single payer, to happen in the health insurance market for a hundred years. Why do insurance companies have to hide things and not show what crap they are providing you until you need the coverage? Those days are over and thank GOD and thanks to Obamacare.

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          11. itsfun November 18, 2013

            Let me see; You fail to read your policy and know what is covered and not covered, then blame the insurance company. You seem to believe that you need Obama to be your daddy and keep you from making your own decisions. The insurance company is not hiding anything, just READ the policy. Now you will be paying for things you probably will never use. Both you and your wife are are paying for paternity care. How many more babies are you going to have being in your sixties?

            How can people keep blaming others for what they do or don’t do.

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          12. jnap November 18, 2013

            Fail to read the policy? Have you ever tried to read the fine print and legal jargon. The writing is designed to be confusing and only understood by lawyer. It doesn’t matter anyway since those policies are history. Good riddance to them. It should not be necessary to have a law degree to read an insurance policy.

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        3. FT66 November 13, 2013

          The problem is TZToronto, Pres. Obama thought he was talking to people who have the same level of his understanding, civilised and who can figure out things incase something goes wrong. Unfortunately, these are people who are fed the news by Fox News. This news outlet has never been kind or even tried to understand what the President says. Folks from outside are always shaking their heads to hear what this News Agency always says.

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          1. itsfun November 13, 2013

            They shake their heads, because they don’t want to hear both sides of the issues. Obama didn’t think he was talking to people who have the same level of his understanding. He believes he is talking to his subjects. His level is arrogance is only surpassed by his level of incompetence.

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          2. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            You’re so open-minded. We all should be ashamed in the face of your unending fairness and generosity. We should have listened to all those non-existent GOP plans you keep talking about instead of the GOP plan that Obama selected, which instantly made it toxic, of course. Why should we believe that if there actually had been any plans (if there were, why hasn’t the House passed them, at least?), and Obama had selected one of them, that you and your fellow trolls wouldn’t be here screaming about it?

            Maybe you should look to your own mind if you want to correct those who don’t want to hear any side of an issue but their own?

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          3. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            Yes those people who “get” him all speak “Mac Daddy Obama Ebonics”

            Now, genius, lets go from Ebonics to Economics.
            Tell the board, Professor … What happens to the economy when you suck an extra few hundred dollars per month from household budgets all over this once great nation that was earmarked {if it is available at all} for other than bare necessities?

            Are you familiar with the term “Propensity to consume”?
            What happens when there is none?

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          4. Sand_Cat November 14, 2013

            Racist idiot.

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          5. Buddy Rogers November 14, 2013

            Thank you for outing yourself.
            Why don’t you address REAL racism.
            The REAL racism is that the ONLY ethic group that STILL approves of Barry the petulant man-boy shuck-n-jive turkey in chief are blacks. And they overwhelmingly support him 85/15 %.
            ADDRESS THAT, racist.

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          6. jnap November 17, 2013

            You are stating facts not in evidence. You have no idea how well Obamacare will work until it is implemented and that will take several years. Many states, by the way, are seeing a huge interest in Obamacare and are signing up people in pretty good numbers. I believe we are going to see a huge demand for people to sign up by the middle of December and I also believe we are going to have to extend the sign up period because of it. Remember, that people have to pay the first months premium when the sign up so they are going to wait until the last minute.

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          7. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            Obama does not have a CLUE what is really on the law. This law was put together by Pelosi and friends
            ACA is NOT designed to work. ACA is designed to fail and them move the populace to demand socialized medicine at the ruins of the disaster.

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          8. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            This law was put together by the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney. I have to admit that it was stupid to adopt anything from such dubious sources, but they did actually make it work in Massachusetts.But then, they didn’t have a few hundred lunatics in powerful positions doing everything they could to sabotage it; the opposition party and most of the people went to work to make it successful, and it was.
            And your pathetic paranoid vision that it was designed to fail is almost as bad as those we hear from theother delusional morons, although again, perhaps the fact that it’s a Republican plan does add some very slight credibility to your fantasy.

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          9. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            It looks like you are the kind of person that see a plane coming down and expect to bounce up at the last minute
            Regarding Obamacare
            -The numbers do not make sense
            -The plans sold to poor people with the deductibles and OOP do not make sense for them to be willing to use them and wait until they find out about the reduced networks and number of hospitals
            -Implementation is a shambles.
            -Unintended consequences of millions of people losing their original coverage without their choice. Do you think Obama was not informed and now is left hanging with multiple times lying on video?
            Health insurance companies know this and are just going to milk it while it last and then salvage whatever they can from the wreck.
            Just need to wait and see.

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          10. Sand_Cat November 14, 2013

            Even if what you say is true, it contradicts nothing in my post. Yes, many of us thought it foolish to rely on a private sector which has repeatedly shown it has absolutely no scruples about harming anyone so long as a profit can be made, but it still seems to work in MA. The “original coverage” many if not most are losing is essentially legalized fraud: policies that have low premiums because they cover nothing. Had Republicans not deliberately sabotaged the ACA by not opening exchanges in each state, any “shambles” in the main site – admittedly, a serious problem -would not have damaged implementation particularly much. Yes, we need to wait and see. But a lot of “us” aren’t waiting at all: they’re working as hard as possible to see that it does fail, that people get shafted, and the stories of those who don’t get distorted to make it seem like they did, that the whole thing collapses into a disaster which costs the nation hundreds of billions and wrecks its healthcare system so they can crow and gloat, and you’re sounding more and more like one of them. And your final “conspiracy” story puts you there with the birthers and worse. Very disappointing for someone I had foolishly thought was reasonable and honorable, even though we disagreed.

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          11. jnap November 17, 2013

            Those losing their coverage will get new coverage with better care. Why is it that you do not understand that? The President should not have done anything to allow those to keep their totally insufficient insurance.
            Only when everyone has the kind of insurance that encourages people to get regular care including diagnostic and preventative testing, proper and affordable medications, advocacy for a healthier lifestyle, electronic health records preventing duplicating and unnecessary treatment will we see a reduction in health care spending. And, of course for it to be effective everyone must have coverage. I read recently that, I believe, 90 percent of the health care dollars are spent on 21 percent of the population. That says that we are spending most of our health care dollars treating the seriously ill and those that have done little or nothing to mitigate their poor status of their health over much of their lives. I owe that to the fact that many had poor or no health insurance for a very long time.
            Obamacare will work but it will take a little time. The attitude of the Republicans really confuses me; first they want to get rid of Obamacare and then they want it to work instantly and flawlessly.
            Well what do you expect from a political party that has no ideas of their own.

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          12. ThomasBonsell November 13, 2013

            And just what is wrong with “socialized medicine”? It seems to have worked out perfectly well for Dick Cheney, who has been on socialized medicine most of his life, and it has worked out well for John McCain who has been on socialized medicine since before he was born.

            Socialized medicine is in existence in the active military, the VA and in the prisons. All three institutions are those the GOP claims to love.

            When an American solder lies in the sand of Afghanistan after being shot by a Taliban sniper, the medic who is expected to risk his/her life going to help that bleeding Gi practices “socialized medicine.”

            We would be damn lucky to have that socialized medicine for all Americans, not just for the elite and military or prisoners.

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          13. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            Because we have so many private doctors making 400K plus per year dying to go to war in Afghanistan. Soldiers are so happy with their mental healthcare that they die more often by suicide than by Taliban.
            Active members family get Tricare, but I doubt McCain a member of Congress is an active member of VA.
            The VA is a lousy example for efficiency of providing healthcare to our veterans hurt in our constant unnecessary tendency to go to war everywhere.
            Because Congress should make no law that is not applicable for them or to the rest of federal employees…Why should they get their own special plan while the rest of us have Obamacare instead? I do not have any HOPE for that to CHANGE, and here I thought Democratic representatives would like to share the fate of their people.
            And if you want the healthcare they have in prison, is simple…just rob a bank. I am sure you would enjoy their frequent rectal exams and their wonderful socialized medicine.

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          14. ThomasBonsell November 14, 2013

            You seem to be confused. I never said “socialized medicine” was superior or inferior; I only said it is being used in the United states now and is doing about the same as the other medicine, except or one difference. That is, every one eligible for “socialized medicine” in the military gets medical care; it is not rationed out according to rank or the ability to pay, as it is in civilian medicine. And no military personnel has a cap on how much care he or she is to receive before being cut off. And that care can’t be dropped because someone starts to use it. That seems to make “socialized medicine” a tad bit better than the free-market civilian type.

            Whether or not John McClain is enrolled in the VA medical plan is immatedrial, he has had it available for him the moment his mother became pregnant.

            Nobody said they wanted prison socialized medicine. you are making assumptions you apparently don’t have the intellect to make.

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          15. Germansmith November 14, 2013

            No Thomas, I just answer your question which was
            “What is wrong with Socialized Medicine?”
            and I did
            Just because the answer did not suit you, now you are questioning my intellect?…how typical of you guys…
            Well, be happy that new plans should support the treatment for dementia, because it seems to me you forgot your questions and statements of your previous post.

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          16. ThomasBonsell November 14, 2013

            No, you did not just answer a question. You made a simple-minded assumption that just mentioning that prisons – conservatives love sending other people to – practices “socialized medicine” must mean the person making such an obvious statement of reality must harbor desires to experience that “socialized medicine.” Unfortunately, Obamacare doesn’t cure inability to reason for you.

            And, in trying to discount the value of VA medicine you conveniently neglected to mention that the VA has been stressed because your hero, Buffoon Bush, cut its finances to help maintain the cuts on taxes on his private wealth.

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          17. rkief November 14, 2013

            So true, but you forgot to mention most of our infrastructure and services. How about private health insurance, which even though not administered by the government, takes advantage of large numbers of people, and uses the healthiest and wealthiest to pay for the rest – who, if they fall ill, will see their benefits reduced or cut off.

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          18. ThomasBonsell November 14, 2013

            I didn’t mention those things you brought up because I was only addressing the issue Germansmith brought up when he or she said “ACA is designed to fail and them move the populace to demand socialized medicine at the ruins of the disaster.”

            Another assumption raised by someone who does not have ability to read the President’s mind and tell us what his unstated plans were.

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        4. Germansmith November 13, 2013

          Your ignorance about health insurance plans is immense.
          I wish I had the time to set you straight, but I have a meeting to attend to explain Obamacare to 200 employees.
          Nothing like working for the brother for FREE

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          1. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            Fortunately, I don’t have to put up with the backward health care system in the USA. I am served well by a humane system that treats every resident of Canada with respect. By the way, when you’re explaining Obamacare to those 200 employees, try to be accurate. Keep the Fox News “facts” to a minimum.

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          2. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            Toronto, your city is calling. There may even be an open job for a fat albino crack smoking mayor.
            Do not let the cold air affect your brain. Fox is not the only media source showing Obama lied OR he is totally clueless about his own health plan

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          3. TZToronto November 14, 2013

            When the cold air affects my brain, I go to the doctor–any doctor–for free. I could go a hundred times–still free. If I need brain surgery to fix my frozen brain–yup, free. If I go nuts responding to Obama haters, well, I’ll have to pay treatment for that. Psychotherapy isn’t covered. But I don’t care whether or not President Obama lied. I don’t have to deal with the U.S. health care system.

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          4. Germansmith November 14, 2013

            We are not Canada, we just get Canadians in Florida constantly bragging in how great things are in Canada….BUT they are still here. Kind of seems to me that Canada is a great place…to be from… and every cannuck secret dream is to leave Canada.
            Well. Canada has 1/10th of the population of the US and about 80% white and nowhere near the immigration problems we have in the US and Canada is not involving the insurance industry to get their health system working.
            And if life is so happy for you on our 51st state, why do you feel obligated to comment on our system which is nowhere near what Canadians are doing..
            And yes, I understand why psychotherapy is not covered in Canada, but in Obamacare, mental care is to be treated same as physical illness….so there go billions of dollars that would be spend in psychologists, psychiatrists and psychotherapy drugs without any reason to expect much progress in our collective mental health.

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          5. TZToronto November 14, 2013

            Before the Canadian health care system went to a government-run, single-payer system, insurance companies provided the coverage. I wasn’t here at the time (I’m American), so I don’t know how good or bad it was. All I know is that when I first moved here my health claims went through London Life. Then, suddenly, London Life was no longer involved. So I assume that there was a gradual phasing out of private involvement. And Canada is definitely not the 51st state. As for my comments about the Canadian system, I simply put it out there to let people know that there’s a better., more humane way to do this. The key is getting rid of the profit motive. Do you like some shareholder making money because your claim gets denied?

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          6. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            If you don’t like your job, quit.

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          7. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            not a job, is my career and my mission is to make sure my clients survive Obamacare.

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        5. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

          You should see pictures of itsfun, Obozo, and infadelicious, too.

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          1. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            I’ve decided to ignore infadelicious–and his picture, too.

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      2. infadelicious November 13, 2013

        They even try to spin “you can keep your plan PERIOD”! How the heck do you do that with a straight face? blind bleating obedience to this guy is mind boggling.. it’s frickin cultish…….

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        1. itsfun November 13, 2013

          Right you are. Words and truth mean nothing to this administration. The obedience does remind one of a cult.

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          1. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            They live in “Obamaboro”. There are roadside stands all over the place with signs drawn in Crayon: “Kool Aid, 5 Cents”

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      3. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

        Really a 50 or 60 year old doesn’t need paternity? Do they give up sex? Does their sperm dissolve before it’s released? What scandals – IRS debunked, Benghazi still being investigated but so far no smoking gun as much as Issa tries. Why don’t world leaders not believe him, because Congress and the American people did not want him to have us engage in Syria? You can not have it both ways. You are not that naïve to believe they are not listening to his and other officials private phone calls.

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        1. itsfun November 13, 2013

          If a woman is required to get paternity insurance and a man is required to get paternity insurance, isn’t that kinda double dipping? Why do both need the same insurance? IRS has not been debunked. Why won’t the President allow the survivors of Benghazi testify in front of Congress? This President flip flopped on the red line in Syria. He had one, then he didn’t have one, the world did. What about fast and furious? What about spying on reporters? Why would any world leader believe him? He has no credibility left.

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          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            A husband has insurance and his wife does not. He pays for the maternity insurance, Single women have insurance and why shouldn’t a man also have to pay — she doesn’t have the baby by herself. Yes it has been debunked – a Bush appointee to the IRS stated they were going by the rules of the IRS in place since 1959. However they all should have been denied based on the actual law passed in the 50’s by Congress. Names looked for were Tea Party and Progressive and by the way the only ones denied tax exempt status 2 progressive groups – no conservative groups were denied.
            “CNN’s State of the Union misleadingly hyped congressional Republican demands to interview survivors of the September 11, 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya. The report ignored, however, that multiple key witnesses to the attack have already testified before Congress and more are scheduled to testify in the future. http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/11/03/cnn-forgets-benghazi-survivors-have-testified-b/196728
            After the use of Chemical weapons were used he was ready to attack he went to Congress they said no and so did the American people – sooooo where was the flip flop? He listened to Congress and the American people so that is a flip flop? What about fast and furious? What about spying on reporter? Any one who leaks or prints leaked information that potentially can harm Americans or Allies or the U.S. please go ahead and spy. Why would any world leader no believe him? Why is his credibility gone – according to you and your party he never has been credible.

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          2. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            Why are you so bigoted that you assume the “wife” is a woman?

            Neither myself nor my wife can get pregnant. Why do I have to pay for maternity insurance for some brood sow who can’t practice the type of birth control that was practiced from the beginning of time until the Baby boomers/60’s trash reinvented the wheel on almost everything that worked for 3 millennia ?… Hold a coin between your knees and don’t drop it

            Do you support taking DNA from the unwed mother and the new born infant and running that information through a Data Base to find the father and forcing the father to pay child support?

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          3. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            Another good Christian heard from.

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          4. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            Figured I’d account for something … Afterall, you already have the moron corner covered

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          5. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            Why are you yelling?

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          6. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            WHY ARE YOU SO UNFAMILIAR WITH NET ETTIQUITTE AS TO NOT KNOW YELLING from posting in “bold”?

            Have another sip of Kool Aid.

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          7. infadelicious November 14, 2013

            Buddy, don’t bother with TZ. I think he’s actually Mayor Ford of Toronto Canada on another 3 day crack bender……..;-)

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          8. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            And I would agree with that
            It is a shame there are so many fathers living apart their baby’s mamas so the mothers can get financial help from government
            Up to me, I would force every father to pay for the support of every child they father.
            And I do not have any problems with contraception or abortion of unwanted children.

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          9. TZToronto November 13, 2013

            I assume you withhold that portion of your taxes that go to pay for public schools. After all, you don’t have kids going to school, so why should you have to pay for other people’s kids?

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          10. Buddy Rogers November 14, 2013

            I am adamantly against paying to have kids, especially since I have no kids in school, indoctrinated as red diaper babies.
            I am also adamantly against allowing non property owners to vote on school budgets.

            Let me tell you about a true story about School Taxes.

            One September about a dozen years ago the school tax bill came with a double digit increase. I complained to a coworker and at the end of the complaint said “And I never educated one kid in that dummy school system”. To which he had a quick response: “Neither has anyone else.”

            What I have proposed is the “Olympic Style” of school budgeting: Take the 2 high months of spending and throw them out and take the 2 low months of spending and throw them out. Take the average of the 8 remaining months. Multiply by 12 and you have a budget that prevents department heads from spending all the money on frivolous things in the last month because: “if I don’t spend it, they will cut my budget next year.”

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          11. jnap November 17, 2013

            You really are an anarchist aren’t you. You don’t give a shit about the common good, do you? The first paragraph of the Constitution says that we are to provide for the “general welfare”. Perhaps you should read the constitution? Maybe we should do away with real estate taxes to fund public schools and use a sales tax or some other means but don’t forget that even those that rent pay a portion of that rent, through their landlord, for public schools.
            I know a nice place in the middle of the desert that would suit you; you would not have to interact with humanity at all.

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          12. jnap November 17, 2013

            Come on, we know your wife can’t get pregnant because she will not give you any. Who knows, maybe you will knock up your mistress?

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          13. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

            Another lie. The obvious fact is that he never had, and never will have a shred of credibility with you or the other idiots, so how can he have lost any? Aren’t you a bit presumptuous, trying to speak on behalf of sane and rational people?

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          14. jnap November 17, 2013

            Are you stupid or do you just play someone that is on this message board? Take your Benghazi scandal, IRS scandal and shove it up your ass. We don’t care, got it? They are all made up scandals that have been investigated endlessly, have no merit and have proven there is no smoking gun.. Issa is a crackpot that reminds us of McCarty and does nothing but waste taxpayers money and time.

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        2. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

          “What a maroon” – B Bunny, circa 1958

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          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            So you are using phrases from a cartoon character? You don’t like what I have to say I can respect that, but I am not going to respect something from someone who has to speak through a cartoon character.

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          2. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            What a troll! – Buddy Rogers 2013

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          3. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            I am a troll because I responded to someone’s post? I have the right to express my opinion as do you. I am not looking to provoke an argument, I am having discussions and I am doing it without insults and name calling to the individual I am responding to. If people are respectfully to me I am respectful in return, if they act like insufferable prigs than I respond in kind.

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          4. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            It was the speed of your response that grabbed my attention.

            Are you paid to post DNC Talking Points on this site?
            If not, then perhaps you should go in search of the REAL truth before posting and making yourself such an easy target.

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          5. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            Are you Paid by the RNC to post their talking points on this and all sites: Perhaps you should get off of Faux News and Drudge report and learn the real truth. I am only a target if I care about what you say and I don’t. Keep your response to yourself or give it to someone who cares.

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          6. Buddy Rogers November 13, 2013

            Hey PAID Troll, gfys!

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          7. infadelicious November 14, 2013

            bwaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa Did you say that with a straight face after voting for obozo the liar?

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      4. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

        So Obama is a liar. So are you. His “lie” was at least well-meant, trying to encourage people to enroll and help make coverage for all possible, using a GOP plan that foolishly relies on the “private sector.”
        What’s YOUR excuse, other than malice and bigotry?

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        1. Buddy Rogers November 14, 2013

          Another Kool Aid drinking maroon.
          Why don’t you just admit that the ONLY thing important to you is a black man sits in the White House.
          The color of his skin is more important to you than the content of his character.
          You are a RACIST.
          PERIOD.

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      5. PhilliesWS2008 November 14, 2013

        You need to be griping at the health care companies, it’s their fault not his so it’s a fail on you and the idiot who wrote this. People should think before writing a stupid article with no basis of facts but the right is infamous for this. Blaming PBO for these health care companies dropping people off of insurance is like blaming the bartender because he served you the drinks that got you roudy/confrontational and kicked out of the club/bar.

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    3. Germansmith November 13, 2013

      Dominick…I expect better from you
      Go and do some research before broadcasting numbers you heard in some partisan web site or channel…or from Obama himself
      http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html
      The insurance companies changed their plans because they “were forced to”, by new ACA guidelines….but hell, I am happy I have maternity coverage since the feds determined it was necessary for a 60 years old man.

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      1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

        Weren’t these plans grandfathered in?

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        1. infadelicious November 13, 2013

          yes, supposedly, but then after they rammed through the ACA, they said “only if they qualify under obamacare guidelines” nice!

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          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG November 13, 2013

            Grandfathered plans are plans that were purchased before March 23, 2010. These plans have a grandfathered status and don’t have to follow ObamaCare’s rules and regulations or offer the same benefits, rights and protections as new plans. This means that on many old plans you can still be dropped form coverage for reasons other than fraud, be denied treatment for preexisting conditions, face annual and lifetime dollar limits and more.

            If you like your grandfathered health plan, you can keep it. However, if your plan loses grandfathered status you may have to upgrade to a new plan that meets the requirements of the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare). In most cases your health insurance provider will make you aware if you have to switch plans for 2014.

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        2. Germansmith November 13, 2013

          In an effort to remain competitive in a changing market, health insurance companies do change plans every one or two years.
          This has been happening all along way before anybody had a thought of ACA.
          Unless the employer have kept their original plan (paying more than newer plans with similar benefits) or you are a very large employer that had a plan tailored to your specs from before 2010, very few plans are grandfather.
          There are VERY RARE individual plans that are grandfather. Almost every year individual plans change as well.
          And There You Go
          People, information about this is not hard to find or hidden and there are plenty of neutral sites that will give you a complete picture.

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        3. Justin Napolitano November 14, 2013

          Yes they were and applied to policies issued before the ACA law was passed in 2010. If you still have the same policy since then it is grandfathered.

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      2. Dominick Vila November 14, 2013

        Insurance companies are, indeed, cancelling or changing policies because some existing policies do not meet ACA guidelines focuses on establishing minimum standards of coverage. The recent Republican obsession with the need to preserve mediocrity is baffling to me. It sort of reminds me of the days when the Germans accepted the garbage sold to them by the Third Reich, or the Russians accepting a socio-economic ideology that had mediocrity and despotism at the centerpiece of its agenda.
        What is wrong with substandard insurance policies being replaced – sometimes unwillingly – for better policies at similar premiums? This specific issue is simply a distraction being used by the GOP to deflect attention from the inability to provide viable alternatives, their lack of forward vision, and their obsession with President Obama. The bottom line is this: tens of millions of Americans who currently depend on Reagan’s socialized ER care will have access to both emergency and preventive medical care at affordable premiums, part of those premiums may be subsidized for those who cannot afford to pay even lower premiums for the care they need. Our business community and ability to compete will be enhanced by the emergence of an alternative to one of the most expensive parts of a corporate benefit package. Small business owners will now have access to affordable and comprehensive medical care. The cost of RX for seniors has gone down. The MEDICARE “donut” hole is now history. Young college students can now stay in their parents insurance policies until they are 26. Americans with pre-existing conditions are not denied coverage. Insurance caps, that forced millions of Americans to sell everything they had to get the medical care they needed, don’t have to worry about caps anymore.
        I understand why insurance agents are upset and are doing everything they can to convince their elected officials to defund or repeal ACA, but like Social Security and MEDICARE, ACA is here to stay and the main reason for that will be the eventual acceptance of its benefits by mainstream Americans. The GOP had a chance to come out of this, by focusing on specific facets of ACA that could have been done better. Instead, they chose a slash and burn approach, and they are going to pay a heavy price for that decision.

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        1. Germansmith November 14, 2013

          Why do you keep repeating the mantra of “mediocre policies”
          A $1000 deductible with a $2000 OOP with a unlimited or even a 5mill coverage is NOT mediocre, it is VERY GOOD coverage and will be far easier to use than a MORE expensive $4000 Ded and $6350 OOP ACA certified plan.
          Who are you, or the Feds to tell people what they MUST buy?
          As an insurance agent I can take any of your policies (life, home , auto, umbrella) and tell you why your coverage is insufficient, but ultimately is the customer who decides what to buy.
          Are you assuming all your people are so stupid that they MUST be protected from their own stupidity?
          I talk to clients every day about these issues. How likely is a guy who live paycheck to paycheck to use a plan with a $4000 deductible (the one he bought because it had one the lowest premiums after the subsidy) ?
          Consider the Human Factor to this equation and you will see that ACA is designed to fail and is no more than a path to have the MOST EXPENSIVE single payer system in the world (because doctors will still like to make 400K per year and hospitals will still like to bill the max they can and because Big Pharma is not likely to let go of their cash cow the US)
          You, at times appear to be more intelligent than the average lefty hanging around here. use your noddle, put yourself in the place of a low wage person, probably healthy now and tell me how they would react to paying a new premium for a plan that have a very high deductible while the penalty for not having any is $95 per year or 1% of their income.

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          1. Dominick Vila November 14, 2013

            The so-called junk plans are labeled as such because of coverage limitations that may result in the insured becoming a burden to society if he/she has a major medical problem that requires extended hospitalization or that require frequent visits to medical professionals and tests.
            What is important to remember, however, is that cancelling those insurance policies was a decision made by the insurance industry, since they had the option to extend those policies via the “grandfathered” clause for plans in effect before March 23, 2020.
            The decision made by some insurance companies, with the consents of State Insurance Commissioners, has more to do with selling more expensive policies than ACA requirements.
            In any case, President’s Obama’s decision to extend all individual policies, regardless of how inadequate they may be, puts the monkey on the insurance industry’s back…where it belongs. Unfortunately, kicking the can down the road is not a solution. It does not solve a flaw in the ACA legislation, it does not mitigate the insurance industry greed, and it may jeopardize the re-election chances of Democrats running for re-election in 2014.

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      3. Justin Napolitano November 14, 2013

        They forced you to get maternity insurance because they know you take it up the …. and who knows maybe you can get pregnant.
        Stop the maternity coverage crap because my policy covers Pap smears and I have never heard any complaints about that from anyone. My policy also covers breast exams and mammograms and only women need that.
        Oh, I get it you hate women!

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        1. Germansmith November 14, 2013

          No, I love most people. The only thing I hate are idiots
          Sorry Justin

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  5. midway54 November 13, 2013

    It seems in light of all the uproar from the rightwing political crazies and their disciples, who can be seen right here on this thread (by their contemptuous and shameless blather ye shall know them), the country should return to the status quo ante the enactment of ACA. Once again, with the whole world watching, we need to tolerate around 45,000 dying annually from the inability to afford crucial surgery and another 40 to 50 millions rolling the dice as to their futures because there are no health benefits incident to their employment (the plutocrats are seeing to the disappearance), or they cannot afford the premiums even as members of the working poor, or they have lost coverages because of the disappearance of their jobs (again, thanks to the plutocrats). One will recall that during the rightwing cattle-show on display in the 2012 “debates” among the five members of the rightwing clown car, Daddy Ron Paul effectively said as to patients showing up in a hospital with no insurance coverages and in need of crucial life saving but unaffordable surgery would have to do without….in other words will just die. His statement was greeted with yells of Yeah! accompanied by extended applause and whistles in support from the audience of sub-humans (read: rightwing vermin). With all the vitriol about subsidies and entitlements around the Country, there is literally nothing said about increasing corporate welfare and huge corporate, agricultural and plutocrats’ tax loopholes (serving as bribes to them for not moving out a State or out of the United States), especially in those contexts the term socialism is simply not mentioned. It is abundantly clear, the we are in a protofascist Gilded Age II Plutocracy with the corporations, plutocrats, and political stooges all sharing the same comfortable bed. So, let’s all cheer for the recrudescence of those good times when all of us were free to fend for ourselves irrespective of the circumstances giving rise to the serious plights of those among us through no fault of their own, and to jeer government as not the solution to national problems but instead the government itself being the problem. What a vision for such a status: One who is being consumed by financial quicksand that is ruining his future and that of his family through no fault of his own and while he is slowly disappearing is expected to shout that the country “don’t need no stinkin’ big gummint socialistic safety nets at the expense of American freedom.” Glory!

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  6. elw November 13, 2013

    Mr. Pitt, you will have to do better than that if you want to undermine the President. It just is not going to work. Yes the President maybe should have qualified his statement by adding the word “most” to account for the 5% of people who had policies that no longer met legal requirements, but that hardly makes him a liar equal to a lies that produced an unnecessary war or clearly was told to hide illegal actions like selling weapons to our enemies and breaking into your opponents offices. You may think you are cleaver in your approach, but how cleaver will you seem when those 5% find that their new policies are better, cover more and cost them less? I have sad news for you, neither will it stop the ACA from moving forward.

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    1. Germansmith November 13, 2013

      You can NOT cover the sun with your fingers.
      Where did you pull out the 5% number “Partisan Liars R Us”? How about 52 million people would need to change their policies…do that sounds like 5% to you???
      Every policy sold new since 2010 is to be changed to new ACA approved coverage in 2014 (unless you opt for a 12/01 renewal usually at a higher cost now)
      The new ACA policies will have a higher deductible and a higher OOP Max of $6350….they are not better, they are just forcing people to buy coverage they do not want or probably need
      So you are poor, get an Obama subsidy, but have a $5000 deductible. You get sick and doctor suggest you have some testing done….how many of these “fortunate poor” people that received the subsidy are actually go and pay the deductible to have the recommended tests?
      You go ahead an keep howling at the moon and see if it answers

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      1. elw November 13, 2013

        Where do you get the 52 million number or any other of the numbers you are spouting? You make flat, black and white statements about costs and deductibles and maximum out-of-pocket costs as if there is one policy offered nationwide by the ACA exchanges and with no comparison to what anyone is exchanging their old policy for. It is you sir who is howling at the moon, and there are growing number of stories that are disproving your Right-wing made up numbers and stories. Even for your Numbers they are people out there that might find them better than the policies they had, if you will remember until the ACA the insurers could cap what they would pay-out and sell you policies with no cap on what you paid out as your cost of share.

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        1. Germansmith November 13, 2013

          Keep in mind that you are arguing about Obamacare with a Benefit Consultant. You do not know about this a fraction of what I wish I forget.

          There are NO right wing numbers. There are just numbers and facts.
          Here you have a choice, Face the truth OR Keep buying the baloney Obama is selling to you. 2 sites, I am sure you can find more if you search.

          http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

          http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html
          After you read this, you have 2 choices as well. Admit Obama lied OR Admit he does not have a clue what is on the law he is staunchly defending.

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          1. elw November 13, 2013

            Well keep in mind that you are talking to someone who has a significant number of years of professional experience working for Health Care Insurance Companies and Medical groups. You really think I do not know that a benefit consultant is just a fancy name for a sales person. Give me a break.

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          2. Germansmith November 13, 2013

            And then, based by the content of your comments , you are either a liar, a paid commenter by the Democratic Party or the most incompetent professional for the Health Care Insurance and Medical groups.
            And I give no breaks to you in neither of those cases.
            What, no comments on the web sites I sent you ? Partisan ate your tongue…or fingers

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          3. elw November 13, 2013

            Think what you want, it is no skin off my nose one way or the other.

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          4. Germansmith November 14, 2013

            No the skin of your nose is likely to come off when you dig your head out of the sand and face the facts.

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          5. Justin Napolitano November 14, 2013

            A benefit consultant? Really? For what, crap health insurance?
            Jesus, get a life and move on. The ACA is the law and it doesn’t matter how much you bitc& it isn’t going to change, got it.

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          6. Germansmith November 14, 2013

            NWMTAT

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  7. Dan England November 13, 2013

    So Leonard Pitts Jr has the temerity to call President Obama a liar, not knowing it is more an indictment on Mr Pitts than President Obama to do so. And it is obvious to see where Mr Pitts passions lie when the worst he can come up with regarding the lying of George W Bush is by referencing, “George W. Bush claimed he never advocated “stay the course” in Iraq,” when the greater and more murderous lie of G.W. Bush was the lie perpetrated to attack Iraq. Remember WMD anyone? The humor G.W. found at the infamous dinner of looking behind the curtain, under the desk for WMD? President Obama “misunderestimates” the cold cruelty of insurance companies in misleading their customers, and the long history of it and President Obama is a liar. Republicans reach to associate themselves with wickedness. But after all the Bible does say, “The wealthy have many friends but the poor is hated even by his neighbor.” The greater tragedy is that most of those Obama haters go to church somewhere and it is doing absolutely no good. Or is that cruel irony?

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    1. Germansmith November 13, 2013

      Well…if the glove fit you must convict.
      Do you think it was easy for Mr. Pitts to call Obama a liar? You obviously do not know or have a history of who is Leonard Pitts.
      Do you think that GWB lies justify Obama’s (change and hope) lies?
      And of course the always faithful….”it is all the health insurance companies fault” (spoken while whining) and who do you think those bad-evils plans have to be submitted for approval?…the evil republican insurance clan (ERIC for short) NO
      How about CMS, the same people responsible for healthcare.gov….
      Be a …something…admit Obama lied or he is clueless of what is in the law…I am happy with either

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      1. Dan England November 21, 2013

        What seems to be lost on this decade of silly Republican is the ability to see nuance. They were too enamored with the black and white of Bush Jr being able to make a lie seem like the truth. Yes they say Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction. Everyone was saying it but the experts. But the experts don’t know what they are talking about. Only their Republican handlers. That is the downfall of the democracy. The media has raised a nation of idiots called Republicans/libertarians/tea party/right wingers.

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        1. Germansmith November 21, 2013

          There is NO nuance !!! A lie is a lie..
          You guys remind me of the jilted wife that have seen her husband in bed with another woman and still find excuses to not see the FACTS dancing on her face.
          Bush Lied, Obama Lied, Most politicians lie. Face it, there is no HOPE for CHANGE.
          Obama is a socialist weasel looking for advantages for his people and Bush was a conservative weasel looking for tax breaks for his people. Neither was really thinking the best for the country, just to force their erroneous point of view in their regime and leave their party in control.

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          1. Dan England November 29, 2013

            Germansmith, Sounds like you are an expert at lies.

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  8. infadelicious November 13, 2013

    you throw amnesty on top of obamacare and its’s like using gasoline to put out a fire……….overwhelm the system anyone? can’t wait to hear the lies about amnesty and how good it is for me.

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  9. Sand_Cat November 13, 2013

    Oh, oh, oh….the president LIED. No president has EVER done that before.

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  10. ThomasBonsell November 13, 2013

    I have read many articles from other well-informed people who say the policies being cancelled were issued after the Affordable Care Act was passed, most after Obama’s statement. And they were written to be discontinued to steer people into more-expensive policies that met the requirements of the act.

    We should all remember the Tennessee House-thing who said some people want to drive a Mercedes (if that was the exact model she mentioned) and others preferred to drive Fords. The policies cancelled resembled a Ford that had no tires, lacked an engine and had a transmission that would fall out when a driver tied to start the ignition.

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  11. howa4x November 13, 2013

    Get over it Leonard. He sits on top of a huge government and depends on people to tell him what the status updates are. He is not a reporter who can sit back, have no giant staff and has the time to dream up criticisms. This pales in comparison to republican lies and falls way short of the Tonken gulf incident. The president misspoke which is not the same as lying. He was probably told this and repeated it. The reality is that the policies that were cancelled were junk, and some didn’t even cover hospital stays. They were cancelled because they couldn’t comply with the benefits given in the new law. Why is that lost in the reporting?

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  12. Robert Cruder November 13, 2013

    Many of us favored single-payer / Medicare-for-all. The President negotiated that away to get Republican votes and the Republicans welched.
    What he got instead was PPACA built around private insurance companies. The bill grew from approximately 800 pages to well over 2500 depending on which appendices are included. Those pages specify in minute detail how the insurers profits are guaranteed while the hospitals are protected from the insurers.

    Then the Republicans blamed the President for the length of the bill. Republicans should have been overjoyed that so much of it benefitted rich white guys and so little protected the patient. It was too bad that a black guy had proposed it.

    The President promised that the bill would not void any existing policies and that was absolutely true. Plenty of sub-standard policies were grandfathered. Those subscribers would still risk bankruptcy and we would still pay a significant fraction of their medical bills. Apparently that satisfies the Republican ideal of personal responsibility.

    In the intervening two years the insurance companies welched by revising policies to make a few more bucks. There was no promise that every new policy would be grandfathered but two years later it was still the President’s fault.
    Congress could have prohibited changes to the grandfathered policies or provided a way to grandfather revised ones but spent time on 40-some repeal votes until it was too late to unwind the cancellations. Republicans don’t let mere facts interfere with a good accusation.

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  13. rkief November 14, 2013

    Yep, when you make deals with the devil, you try to lie your way out of it. though I believe the ACA to be a good deal for most Americans, Mr. Obama could hardly badmouth (tell the truth about the policies of) the health insurance companies with whom he had just made a deal.

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