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Obama Took On Romney — And Dominated

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Obama Took On Romney — And Dominated

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James and I think that President Obama did serious business at the presidential debate on Tuesday night. Not only did the president expose Mitt Romney’s one-point plan — to help the rich — but he also laid out his own set of serious ideas on how to grow the economy and create jobs:

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  1. hobocat October 18, 2012

    Too bad the pundits and the Repubs keep saying that Obama DIDN’T talk about what he wanted to do in his next term. I certainly heard him but it seems the talking heads want to make it appear that he didn’t. I am sickened by the Republicans and by the talking heads.

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    1. Dominick Vila October 19, 2012

      Our debates are nothing more than mud slinging boys over issues the media believes are relevant. Substance is usually conspicuous by its absence, and facts and the truth are simply inconvenient obstacles that must be avoided and replaced with cheap rhetoric to create illusions that are seldom closed to the truth.
      Romney got a tremendous bounce off the first debate and added to his lead during the second debate, not because he said anything meaningful, but because he fed the gullible what they were looking for.

      1. Roberta Shoemaker-Beal October 20, 2012

        I disgree with you, civily. Think Obama talked real issues and held the floor against Rmoney! There ARE too many gullible ones, unfortunately. Let’s get out the caring and thinking vote !

    2. Dianes4babies October 19, 2012

      Totally agree with you!

    3. Fern Woodfork October 19, 2012

      IT TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE PEOPLE WAY PASS TIME!!!!! VOTE !! GET RID OF THE DO NOTHING CONGRESS GIVE OUR PRESIDENT A CONGRESS HE CAN WORK WITH AND WATCH HOW THIS COUNTRY WILL MOVE FORWARD FOR THE BEST!!! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

      1. gwalker177 October 21, 2012

        THAT IS OUR PROBLEM THE REPUBLICANS THINK THEY RULE THIS COUNTRY WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO UNITED WE STAND. THE PRESIDENT DID A WONDERFUL JOB EVEN THOUGH THOSE PEOPLE WERE AGAINST HIS EVERY MOVE TO FULFILL HIS PROMISES HE MADE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PERSONALLY I THINK THOSE REPUBLICANS NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP PLAYING GAMES WITH OUR LIVES AND THIS GREAT NATION.

  2. Dominick Vila October 19, 2012

    In my opinion, the President edged a victory in the second debate, but it was not a grand slam inasmuch as Romney managed to hold his own and do what most Independents and undecided voters were looking for: articulate a vision of the future in the form of a concise and clear plan. It doesn’t matter that his “plan” is, with the exception of more tax breaks and the famous Canadian oil pipeline, a rehash of what every president has proposed and done the past several decades, the bottom line is that he offered what people are looking for and President Obama didn’t. That is not to say that the president does not have a vision of the future, he does, but he has failed to present it in a way that people understand and accept.
    His inability to articulate the benefits of his policies and his vision may cost him the election. He failed to defend Obamacare, a change that was desperately needed and benefits not only the average American but our business community as well, he failed to articulate the rationale and benefits of the regulations he has put in place, and he has not articulated a comprehensive plan for what remains to be done to strengthen our economy and create jobs.
    At this point, the only thing Romney needs to do is avoid making a major mistake. He does not need to win the next debate, all he needs to do is answer questions briefly, project confidence and make people believe he has everything under control.
    The damage done by President Obama poor performance during the first debate can not be underestimated, the fallout is evident in national polls and, worse, in the shifting electoral college map.

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    1. jnagarya October 20, 2012

      You are expecting too much of a debate: the opponents are to answer questions, not stand and pontificate and give their stump speeches — Rmoney’s disreagard for the rules notwithstanding.

  3. davefleeger October 19, 2012

    I totally agree. I feel that the national news media is trying to make this a close race just for ratings when they should actually be trying to show the American people the true facts so they can actually make a logical and knowledgeable decision. But ratings make for better TV news watching for them. Fox “news right wing media” will help Romney out in that area and they get a lot of attention by unwitting people who do not realize that they are getting a total right wing spin on everything they hear. People really do need to know the facts not the lies from Romney and Ryan. It sure seems funny that the debate moderators and the independant truth squads seem to find all kinds of lies and misleading facts with what Romney and Ryan are continually saying and the problem is that people are starting to believe them. Like Hitler said back in the 1930’s. He said that if you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and forceful enough people will begin to blieve it. Sad but true. All we can hope for is for someone in the news media will step up to the plate before it is too late and the damage is done.

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    1. Dianes4babies October 19, 2012

      I agree! I am so afraid that the people that have not been paying attention to the campaign until now will see this “new and improved” Romney and think that this is the real deal!!! If he gets elected, disgustingly, it will be because of his lies!!

  4. davefleeger October 19, 2012

    The pipe line from Canada “Keystone pipe line” will actually drive the price of gas up in the US. Currently the US has a glut of gas and we are shipping it to other countries to artificially keep our prices high. The oil that will come through the pipeline will go to the gulf and be shipped to other countries and will not be used here in the US and will not benefit this country. The only thing this pipe line will help is to make temporary jobs to build it but eventually the pipe line will drive the price of gas even higher.

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    1. William Deutschlander October 19, 2012

      The price of gasoline, deisel fuel, heating oil and chemicals is determined by bidding on the world wide market. The bid price is based on supply and need (demand).
      If India needs more gasoline the suppliers of gasoline in India will bid a higher price for gasoline on the market and everyone else in the world will pay that price or more to obtain their gasoline regardless of how much crude oil is avaiable.

      The real problem with the Keystone pipe line and the tar sands oil is the corrosiveness of the oil, the dirty carbon and other elements in the oil and the risk of a spill of that oil affecting the water, the environment in Americas bread basket.

      1. emadis41 October 19, 2012

        You are right, this oil is dirty, and corrossive and one spill will be enough to shutdown the pipeline for a long period of time, beside it will not create the number of jobs Romney and his supporters claim, if any at all after the construction.It will alo add to the pollution of our air…but Romney does not care. as he said Obama wanted to save the Oceans from rising!! But he wants to safe the American economy, off course by outsourcing our jobs.

        1. supremebuddy October 19, 2012

          Because that is more money in theri coffers. Romney knows that this is extremely bad for the environment.

    2. dahlya October 19, 2012

      I apologise upfront for the length my comment is destined to be. I AM ANGRY about the Keystone issue and the manipulative maneuvering and incompetent “impact studies” and “evaluations” completed by guess who…..TransCanada…. to get it where it is today.

      There is absolutely NOTHING good about the sludgy toxic tar sands oil. How it effects the price of a gallon of gasoline is miniscule compared to everything else at stake. For starters, why should US landscape, US environment including major sources of drinking water, US citizen’s land and livlihood taken by eminent domain by another country..to name a few..take all the risks, be destroyed in the building process and then threatened for decades from the continuation of inevitable and disastrous spills, while using these pipelines ONLY to access our shipping ports and make Canadian Oil and a “few friends” filthy rich with total disregard for what they leave behind for the US citizens to deal with.

      A little more than 2 years ago, only one year after a previous disastrous spill, people living along the Talmadge Creek and Kalamazoo River in Michigan began noticing strange fumes and coming down with headaches and nausea. Little did they know that a pipeline carrying toxic tar sands oil had just ruptured. As the company responsible, Enbridge, ignored alarm bells and waited 17 hours to shut the pipeline down, more than a million gallons of heavy tar sands oil spilled, forcing families to evacuate, coating wildlife and resulting in the largest and most costly onshore oil pipeline disaster in U.S. history.

      I don’t know about you, but I’m fed up with letting rich fossil fuel corporations decide when and where they can radically alter our communities and the climate system we depend on for survival. And I’m fed-up with our government for letting our people and our lands be “used” and destroyed forever.

      While many continue fighting TransCanada’s plan to funnel highly toxic tar sands oil across the U.S. heartland to Texas through the Keystone XL pipeline, oil companies are trying new gimmicks to get tar sands to U.S. ports for export. A REALLY sneaky ploy used
      to get approval to START this disastrous pipeline at the Texas shipping port and manipulatively work backwards.

      Enbridge..This Canadian oil giant — now wants to pipe tar sands oil through New England.

      Worse yet, Enbridge is trying to evade a thorough cross-border review process — to break its plan into phases and get out of telling the public what will happen to drinking water not if, but when there is a spill.

      The Trailbreaker pipeline would threaten our climate by helping to further ignite the continent’s biggest carbon bomb in the tar sands — tar sands oil production generates three times more global warming pollution than conventional oil production.

      The pipeline would also endanger a number of drinking water sources, rivers and wild lands of New England. Tar sands pipelines are more susceptible to spills than other pipelines and a spill of this type of dirty, heavy and corrosive oil is more devastating to local communities and takes longer to clean up. Tar sands pipelines make climate change worse and are built to spill.

      There is absolutely NOTHING beneficial to US economy, except temporary jobs, and
      even then, there’s no guarantee local people, or even Americans, will be employed. Oil spill clean-up jobs, will last a lot longer and be plentiful.

      By the way, when is BP going to start paying for the Gulf Coast fiasco? They can afford to continue paying lawyers and keep their case in court for decades. I think that’s their plan and nobody seems to care.

    3. Gilbert October 19, 2012

      Not only that… but most of the oil that will be pumped through the Keystone pipe line already belongs to CHINA! The republicans conveniently leave that part out.

  5. lee050 October 19, 2012

    The only thing Mitt wants is some wars in the middle east. He know allot about war being a draft dodger himself.

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    1. Dominick Vila October 19, 2012

      Dick Cheney is a testament of that reality…

  6. Dave October 19, 2012

    hogwash! you’re senile!
    you’re in denial. Obama did nothing but act like a jerk. Romney exposed his hidden agenda.
    Out with Obama.

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    1. rgrein October 19, 2012

      ‘Hidden Agenda’ Dave? The man has shown his agenda for 4 years – support an equitable healthcare system whose conception was with President Teddy Roosevelt (didn’t know that, did you?), piece back together an economy shattered by the same advisors that Mitt uses, promote equal pay for women, end the failed policy of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’, end 2 wars, find bin Laden, improve our long-term energy footprint with the first fleet milage increases since they started, and promote long-term sustainable energy. He reiterated this in the last debate, but maybe you were so angry you missed it. Try a replay, or read the transcript.

      In the first debate the President was too laid back and got hammered by Romney. This time he hammered back and insisted on facts, not airy suppositions and bland assurances that ‘hey, I’m an expert – I know what I’m doing. Trust me!’ If anyone has a hidden agenda it’s Romney. Opposed birth control, now he’s for it. Opposed abortion, now he won’t say. Opposed finding bin Laden because ‘it was too much effort’. Supported tax cuts for the rich, now he says he’s opposed to them. This is an etch a sketch man, ready to reboot at a moment’s notice. Or haven’t you noticed how many reboots he’s had in the campaign? BTW, the etch a sketch label came from his own people, so don’t try to pin it on me. Mitt may be a nice guy at heart, but he so desperately wants to be President he’ll say and promise anything to anyone to win. What will he be if he wins is anyone’s guess.

  7. KalilA October 19, 2012

    All Republicans,Romney& Rayan included, advocate partisanship and alter facts for convinience-I refere here to the shooting of 4 Diplomats in Benghazi.The break of the US ,in the long run,would be opposing the right policies of the Prsident ät the expence of American blood!

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  8. davefleeger October 19, 2012

    I do agree with that but it also depends on the “supply” we have as of “Supply and Demand”. All of the oil from that pipe line will go to other countries and not here. Right now we have a glut of oil in the US but the price went up and now is settling down again. What I am saying is that Romney is touting that Obama is against the pipe line and won’t just sign up to it and that is driving the cost of gas up. That is an out right lie and he knows it but most people do not understand that and believe him. You are correct in what you are saying but it also has to do with our supply side of the issue and the pipe line will not help the supply side of the issue.

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  9. itsezi October 19, 2012

    That is what I have been told…the thing that baffles me is that when Romney mentioned building it, and the president had the chance to respond, why did he not pounce on that. The pipeline is a risk to drinking water in Nebraska and other mid western states, that I understand and why Mr. Obama simply said that not enough research had been done. Why didn’t he explain that when the oil gets to the Gulf Coast, it will be shipped to other countries…I know he knew that…I would really be happy to have this explained by one of my favorite people…James Carville

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    1. ExPAVIC October 19, 2012

      More Info

      Domestic oil companies do not want shale oil because it is “dirty,” high sulphur, and yields low productivity in terms of gasoline per barrel of oil. This compared to sweet crude which yields about 16 gallons per barrel.

      Such a profile would require that distillation equipment be re-calibrated and cat crackers be re-configured. Both of these are rather extensive processes and thus it would be most cost effective to ship this crappy stuff out.

  10. montanabill October 19, 2012

    If Greenberg has to tell you how Obama won the debate, then he didn’t.

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  11. Dave Kruse October 19, 2012

    Unfortunatly there are millions of brainwashed gop sheeple that will fall in line and vote for crooked Mitt.

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  12. itsezi October 19, 2012

    ExPAVIC
    My concern is not with the product “oil”. But like everything else in this campaign, it is all political. The idea is to get the drop on the other guy. Where Romney is so committed to building the pipeline, why didn’t Obama position himself with saving farmland, livestock, and drinking water for the people of the mid west? Isn’t this why he proposes more research on the project?

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  13. itsezi October 19, 2012

    P.S. Like William Deutschlander suggests, if this oil is so dirty and useless for America, why did Obama not use this reasoning to refute Romney’s obscene position on the issue?

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  14. MARK October 19, 2012

    I am seriously concerned with the negative effects that the Citizens United ruling is having on our election.Daily I recieve more than twenty emails from various Democrats’ campaigns citing how they are being outspent by Rove and Kochs and are in desperate straights.I am just about tapped out as far as being able to make further donations and I do hope that there is something more important than money that will win this tight race.I hope that after November 6 we can have an amendment to restore government to one that is Of,By,and For The People.

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  15. tavias51 October 19, 2012

    Hey Romney/Ryan, I’m voting for Democrats in order to SAVE MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY!!! You two guys are going to always be LOSERS!!! Obama/Biden 2012…

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  16. Ronald Banks October 19, 2012

    I THINK ALOT OF YOU REPUBLICAN (BUBBLE HEAD), JUST DON’T CARE LESS ABOUT MOVING THIS COUNTRY FORWARD. IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN WHO MADE THINGS TUFF TO GET THINGS PASSED. OBAMA STOOD TOE TO TOE WITH MITT THE EVIL DEMON. HE TRIED TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK TIME TO SAY HIS PIECE, AND IT DIDN’T WORK IN HIS FAVOR IN THE SECOND DEBATE. THE FIRST ONE HE WAS RUDE IGNORANT DIDN’T KNOW HE WAS OFF THE CLOCK AND HE KEPTED RUNNING HIS MOTH SAYING NOTHIN AS USUAL. HE CRACK JOKES ABOUT THE PRESIDENT BEING A GREAT SPEAKER. ROMNEY YOU DON’T HAVE THE CLASS TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. YOU HAVE A STUPID WALK AND YOU JUST LOOKED RETARDED LIKE RYAN WHO LOOKED (REALLY BAD DEBATING AGAINST JOE BIDEN), NOT ENOUNGH EXPERIENCE RYAN UNDERNEATH YOUR BELT). THEN YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP WHO ALSO WANT OBAMA OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE! HE DONATED MILLIONS TO ROMNEYS CAMPAIGN. HE CLAIMS HE’S SMART TOO, BUT YOU ARE NOT SMARTER THAN OBAMA. OBAMA HAS UNMATCHED CHARACTER THAT THEY CANNOT TOUCH. NOW YOU HAVE MITTS SON WHO WANTS TO ATTACK OBAMA BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS LOOKING REALLY STUPID DEBATING WITH OBAMA THE SECOND TIME. WHY WASN’T HE ARRESTED WHEN HE MADE THOSE STATEMENTS WANTING TO ATTACK THE PRESIDENT? NO THE MEDIA THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. IT GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT: IF YOU’RE WHITE YOU ARE ALRIGHT; AND IF YOU BLACK GET BACK TO THE EAND OF THE LINE. MORMONS DON’T LIKE ANYBODY THAT IS NOT WHITE THAT’S THE WAY THEY ARE TOUGHT. DISRESPECT ANYOTHER RACE.

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  17. Maynard October 20, 2012

    Obama will be accomplishing a lot by blocking Romney and the crew of Bush’s leftover advisors. That alone could make a dramatic difference in our future.

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  18. jovanna48 October 20, 2012

    Obama showed us in that debate his strength and determination and what he is working against. Mitt isn’t the only one with “Romnesia.” How can any American vote for Romney after seeing him talk down the 47% of Americans he labelled as “victims” and as not taking responsibility for themselves. The 47% work hard, caring for children and ailing parents while holding down a job, assuming they have one, in a precarious, exhausting balancing act of daily life. Mitt and Ryan should try it! Yet these candidates tell US that WE are the ones that aren’t doing our part? I hope Romnesia isn’t an epidemic sweeping this country when people go to cast their vote in November. It’s a miracle that Obama has accomplished what he has w/o any help from the GOP…they have said NO to every plan Obama has presented that would have put more people back to work ages ago (the same people that are told don’t take responsibility for themselves). It is the other side that is holding us back–not Obama.

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  19. ko610fi October 20, 2012

    Obama won the second debate because he was determined to arrest the illusion the Romnesia had spread following the first debate.

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  20. Butler October 20, 2012

    President Obama is the peoples President!! He’s not a President for just a certain class of people. How quickly we forget the total mess this country was in when he took office!! We have to realize that he inherited this when he took oath. Also, this mess was created by the Republicians and the Bush administration. President Obama has had to clean up their mess and they are mad at him that he’s not cleaned it up quick enough and in the way they wanted. Romney and the Republicians will take this country far beyond the Bush administration, right back to the “Stone” ages. We can’t and won’t let that happen. During President Obama’s second term as President, we are going to see great changes made by leaps and bounds. We have to work with him, not against him, to get the job done. That being said, we have to give him leverage in Congress, (Senate and the House) for him to past the Bills we all know that will help this country. President Obama help save our Big Three Auto makers, saving thousands of jobs that Romney and the Republicans said let them go under!!!! Republicans are always saying what President Obama has not done but have never said what he has done!! Romney and the Republicans will not give him credit for all the things he has done for this country, but they will!! Republicans have always been for the rich and oil companies. Never for the middle class, veterans and the poor of this country. Lets put President Obama and Vice President Biden back in office again and this time take care of unfinished business!! Lets Roll!!

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  21. jkosmach October 24, 2012

    Could not have been better said. Referring to Mr. Greenberg’s comments.
    Pres. Obama, in my opinion too, dominated the debate and was most clear
    when expressing his plans for the future. Thanks. And keep your comments
    coming!

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