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In America’s ‘Rust Belt,’ More Voters Trust Clinton On Trade

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In America’s ‘Rust Belt,’ More Voters Trust Clinton On Trade

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Rust Belt voters trust Hillary Clinton on trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s promise to restore American jobs by renegotiating international trade deals appears to be failing him in states most affected by outsourcing, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

Voters in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania – three competitive states in the Nov. 8 election that form the bulk of a region dubbed the Rust Belt for its swaths of shuttered factories – favor Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, on the issue of trade, according to the polling, with some respondents citing how international trade can bring down prices.

The results underscore the uphill battle the New York businessman faces on Election Day, when he needs to sweep a broad array of battleground states to win the White House.

“Trump has made a strong effort to portray Clinton as favorable to trade policies that he has labeled ‘a disaster’ for the United States,” said Thomas Nelson, a political science professor at Ohio State University.

In the automaking state of Michigan, which has voted reliably for Democratic candidates in recent presidential elections but which Trump has fought hard to win, some 40 percent of likely voters believed Clinton would be better equipped to address trade, compared with 36 percent for Trump.

In Ohio, known for its aerospace, steel and rubber industries, 45 percent said Clinton would be better on trade, compared with 38 percent for Trump. In Pennsylvania, long a steel and heavy manufacturing center, 45 percent favored Clinton on trade, compared with 38 percent for Trump, according to the polling, conducted in mid-October.

Clinton is leading Trump in all three states among likely voters, with advantages of 4 points in Michigan, 3 points in Ohio and 6 points in Pennsylvania, according to the Reuters/Ipsos polling.

But other polls show the race tightening in those states. RealClearPolitics, which averages data from most major polls, shows Clinton leading Trump by 6.6 points in Michigan and 5.1 points in Pennsylvania, and Trump leading Clinton by 2.7 points in Ohio.

Officials for Trump’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

‘WHAT JOBS ARE YOU BRINGING BACK?’

Poll respondents reached by Reuters who favored Clinton on trade mainly gave two reasons – first, that international trade deals can help people by lowering prices for goods; and second, they doubt Trump can deliver on his promise to restore the U.S. manufacturing sector.

“We all like to have inexpensive items,” Ronald Lane, 56, of Canonsburg, Pennsylvania, who plans to vote for a third-party candidate next week as a protest against both Trump and Clinton.

“I think it’s important to save American jobs which have already gone overseas, but I don’t believe there is much that can be done to bring them back,” he said.

Christina Ledesma, of Grand Rapids, Michigan, a Clinton supporter, said she also disagreed with Trump that the economy would suffer a lasting negative effect from trade deals.

“Our unemployment rate is lower than it’s been since 2008. What jobs are you bringing back?” she said.

Michigan’s unemployment rate was 4.6 percent in September, below the national average of 5 percent. Ohio’s was at 4.8 percent and Pennsylvania’s at 5.7 percent.

Trump has called the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico one of the worst deals ever struck and blames it for manufacturing jobs being moved to Mexico.

He also opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would open markets in East Asia. Trump argues that the deal, which must be ratified by Congress, would motivate more U.S. companies to move their production overseas.

Last week while campaigning, he called outsourcing “the greatest job theft in the history of the world”.

“The jobs theft will end … the day I start the presidency. It’s going to be America first again,” he said.

Clinton has offered a more tempered approach, saying she would seek to re-evaluate NAFTA if elected and that there were problems with some aspects of the TPP.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online in English from Oct. 6 to Oct. 17 in Michigan and Pennsylvania, and from Oct. 6 to Oct. 12 in Ohio. It included 1,370 likely voters in Michigan, 1,467 in Pennsylvania, and 1,200 in Ohio. All three state polls had a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 3 percentage points.

(Reporting by Ginger Gibson; Additional reporting by Alana Wise and Chris Kahn; Editing by Richard Valdmanis and Peter Cooney)

IMAGE: Hillary Clinton visits a campaign field office in North Las Vegas, Nevada. REUTERS/Brian Snyder

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34 Comments

  1. bobnstuff November 3, 2016

    What Trump knows about trade, NAFTA or bring back jobs is less then zero. The steel industry left long before NAFTA and will never come back to Pa. The Auto industry moved south and built new plants that don’t need the workforce they once did. We lost 700,000 jobs to Mexico over the last 15 years but have been adding jobs at a rate of 200,000 per month. We also increased exports to Mexico by 6 times what it was, do you think that might have created a few jobs. Trump can’t seem to get his facts straight on NAFTA. If he has his way our GDP will drop by 20% and the cost of things will go up. Two of our largest trade partners are Canada and Mexico and our balance of trade is far better then with the countries that we don’t have agreements with like China and the EU. People who done like NAFTA have never looked at what it has done for our country and for our neighbors.

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    1. dpaano November 3, 2016

      He also doesn’t know much about immigration…..if he rounded up all 11M immigrants in this country and sent them back to Mexico (or wherever), the price of our produce, etc. would skyrocket and no one would be able to afford to buy any produce! He doesn’t realize that giving these people work visas so they can continue to come into the US to pick our fruits, vegetables, or nuts…..keeps the prices of these items relatively low. Also, he doesn’t realize that no red-blooded U.S. citizen of ANY age would do these jobs….so who would the farmers get to pick their crops…..how long would it be before they would all go out of business, lose their farms, and end up on welfare? It’s just a matter of being logical, and he doesn’t have a logical bone in his body!!! Apparently, neither do any of his followers!

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      1. Jon November 3, 2016

        The problem with Trump is that he can only think on a superficial level. That’s why he engages in lies, slogans, and hyperbole. He doesn’t have the capacity to understand the complexity of issues.

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        1. dpaano November 4, 2016

          And, Jon, he doesn’t want to understand them. As I’ve said many times before, he thinks he’ll walk into the Oval Office and be able to do all the things that he’s told his followers he’s going to do…..that won’t happen! He can’t just undo the Constitutional rights; i.e., the 1st Amendment (he’s threatening to sue journalists and newspapers whenever they print something he doesn’t like), etc. He also won’t be able to put through his tax plan for many reason…..I doubt the Congress would approve it. They haven’t been all that interested in raising ANY taxes, so I doubt they’ll go for raising even the taxes for the top 1%. It should be interesting!

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          1. Jon November 4, 2016

            That’s true. Not only is he ignorant but he chooses to remain ignorant.

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  2. dpaano November 3, 2016

    The problem is that Trump knows NOTHING about trade agreements or bringing back jobs. If he wants to bring back jobs, why doesn’t he bring back the manufacture of his clothing line from China?? Good question that no one seems to think to ask him about!!!

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    1. bobnstuff November 3, 2016

      I’m trying to think of something that Trump does know about. He doesn’t understand how our government work, not one single part of it. He doesn’t understand the economy or international trade. Just what does he understand?

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      1. dpaano November 3, 2016

        The ONLY things that he knows have to do with money, sex, and how to con a large bunch of people into voting for him! Other than that, he knows nothing about running a country and darn little about running a business, it seems. Just heard that his Trump Toronto is going bankrupt!!! It just opened 4 years ago and is already going down the tubes!!! Just another Trump failure…..and a foreshadow of what we’re in for if he’s elected. By the way, it was financed by a Russian…..hmmmm!

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        1. bobnstuff November 3, 2016

          Trump my need to win just so he can have a job. His golf courses aren’t doing well. It looks like he is developing a talent in loosing money these days.

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          1. Barbaradcaudle3 November 4, 2016

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          2. dpaano November 4, 2016

            Not only that, but his hotels and casinos are losing money, even the new one in Washington, D.C. They had to lower the room rates, but still aren’t getting many takers. I think his Trump name has lost all credibility, and he may have problems after this election in “selling” his Trump name to anyone. Some of his condo owners have petitioned to have the Trump name taken off their buildings because they can’t sell their condos unless they sell at a huuuuge loss. They are even sneaking in and out of the buildings from side doors because they don’t want it to be known that they live in a Trump building…..interesting, huh? When he loses, he’s going to have to find some other business ventures because the ones he has now aren’t going to be around. People have seen him for what he is…..a con man….and they won’t want to do business with him!

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    2. Jim Samaras November 4, 2016

      It’s obvious! Up until this point he’s been a businessman but going forward EVERYONE will change the way of doing business. Yep, a true patriot is what he is

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      1. Bill P November 4, 2016

        The only thing Trump is a true patriot of – is making himself richer. His past has shown how he thinks about the middle class – he signs contracts t have work done then tries to stiff the workers on their agreed payment. His Toronto hotel just file for bankruptcy, another example of his business prowess.

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      2. Dan S November 4, 2016

        What have you been taking ? A true patriot would bring this country together & instead he’s tearing it apart. We have marriages breaking up over his hostile nasty campaign. Family members are at each other’s throats & people attacking others because they don’t agree with them on Trump. The GOP of course started this whole mess & Trump is their monster creation who’s gotten out of control. It’ll take a long for this nation to heal long after this election has ended. And as far as his acumen as a businessman it’s horrendous. 6 bankruptcies & lying & cheating to the IRS, not paying for work done & services rendered, setting up a sham university to teach people how to cheat & raping 13yo girls & sexually assaulting women because he can. True patriot yeah right ????

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        1. Jim Samaras November 5, 2016

          It’s thinking like yours that is tearing the country and families apart by not taking into account the criminality that is HC! 6 BK’s out of hundreds of businesses, following the laws of the IRS, demanding QUALITY work before paying and while satisfying THOUSANDS of previous students there are a handful of underachievers that blame the school and not themselves, now THAT’S thinking like a dumbocrat! Wrap your head around the fact that DJT will be the POTUS come Jan.

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          1. Dan S November 5, 2016

            I’ll get back to you on Wednesday & see what you mean by DJT will be POTUS in January when he will not only lose the Electoral College vote but the popular vote too on Tuesday. Dumbocrat that is so lame ????

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        2. dpaano November 7, 2016

          What’s really great is now I hear that the IRS is going to be seriously be investigating his so-called $913B loss and how he used it to get out of paying taxes for many years. Even his attorneys told him he couldn’t do it legally, but he chose to do it anyway……now, he’s going to get caught!!! It’s no wonder he didn’t want to release his tax returns!!!

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          1. Blueberry Hill November 8, 2016

            I was sure there was no way he could get out of paying taxes every year just because he had a loss that one year. I don’t believe he lost $913B either. Lock him up!

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        3. Blueberry Hill November 8, 2016

          And he just went into bankruptcy again last week on a hotel in Canada. Will stiff a lot of people and destroy lives for them.

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  3. Jmz Nesky November 4, 2016

    “they doubt Trump can deliver on his promise to restore the U.S. manufacturing sector”
    The only way he can do this is to offer free or much lower corporate taxation while deregulating workers benefits and allowing wage caps… All perks that will only affect the population in negative ways, not the corporations (in other words federally make the entire nation ‘right to work’). He won’t be able to reduce the current minimum wage but he can veto any higher minimum so that within his tenure (if not longer) what you make today will be what you will be making in four, eight even ten years or more while cost of living soars. Remember this, president or not he’s still a profit making corporate shark as he’s boasted throughout his campaign.. Because of his egotism he’s not openly fooling anyone yet his followers are still falling for his candy coated BS.

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    1. dpaano November 4, 2016

      Yes, it astounds me that they still buy into his BS! Apparently, they aren’t aware that he won’t be able to do much of what he’s said he’s going to do because it’s either illegal, unconstitutional, or won’t get past Congress! Plus, there’s the fact that nothing he’s discussed re: economics and taxes, are going to help the lower or middle class one iota! In fact, his so-called tax plan will ONLY help the upper 1% and the rest of us will be seeing higher taxes rather than lower! Plus, for instance, he says he wants to bring back the coal mines, but the problem with that is that coal is fast going out of style lately, and he won’t be able to do much for that industry. Hillary has said that she wants to spend money re-educating these miners so that they can get jobs in more areas that are growing. To me, that sounds pretty logical, and it amazes me that his followers don’t see the wisdom of that. Why would people believe anything that he says when what he says is ridiculous. It boggles my mind!

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      1. Jmz Nesky November 4, 2016

        Simple.. They live in a dream world.. We call it the past. Even if this bozo could put us back in an era where we grew up as kids he won’t be able to reverse the current cost of living to what a dollar could buy in the 1950 – 60’s so we’ll have the wimpy products of those days paying the prices of today while earning 1950-60 wages.. What a vision.. to most a nightmarish dream world, to the Trumpeteers a walk down memory lane without the realities of both worlds but then again, they’re obedient followers and their master will care for them.. Have I overlooked something? Do pigs now fly..??

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        1. dpaano November 7, 2016

          Apparently, they do…..at least in the Trump’s world!

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      2. Jim Samaras November 4, 2016

        I doubt he’d handle things in this way but he could do the exact thing Obama has done throughout his administration except his would actually be good for our country….

        During our lifetimes, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders. For various reasons, some have issued more than others. These things will directly affect us all, in years to come.

        Ike – 2 in 8 year

        Kennedy – 4 in 3 year

        LBJ – 4 in 5 years

        Nixon – 1 in 6 years

        Ford – 3 in 2 years

        Carter – 3 in 4 years

        Reagan – 5 in 8 years

        Bush – 3 in 4 years

        Clinton – 15 in 8 years

        George W. Bush – 62 in 8 years

        Obama – 923 in 3 1/2 years! More than 1000+ and counting Executive Orders in 6 years…
        Read some of them below – unbelievable!

        Next step -dictatorship. (Looks like we are there already!).

        If you don’t get the implications, you’re not paying attention. How come all the other presidents in the past 100 years have not found it necessary to INCREASE GOVERNMENT’S POWER OVER THE PEOPLE with more than 1,000 Executive Orders? This is really very scary.

        And most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

        “YES, THERE IS A REASON THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

        Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so. –

        WHAT IS OBAMA REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH????

        Remember what he told Russia ‘s Putin: “I’ll be more flexible after I’m reelected? Now look at these:

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 — allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 — allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 — allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 — allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 — allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 — allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare function

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 — designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 — allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 — allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 — allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 — assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 — specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 — grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 — allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energ y sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency.

        It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

        Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will. ….and these are just the major ones.

        I’m sure you’ve all heard the tale of the “Frog in the Pot”… Watch Obama’s actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed.

        Obama has issued executive orders that seek to “harmonize” U.S. Economic regulations with the rest of the world. These executive orders are yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system.

        Obama used the stage at the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s I have a dream speech to announce two new executive orders infringing on your second amendment rights..

        The first bans the importation of antique military firearms for sale to sportsman and collectors. He intentionally mislabels them military grade weapons to deceive the people , but make no mistake . . . The order was written specifically to ban the importation of surplus M1 carbines, M1 Garands, 1903 Springfields and other antiques coveted by collectors and sport shooters.

        This order is the death knell for the civilian marksmanship program.

        Congress had previously passed the sportsman protection act in 1986 which among other things guaranteed that the importation of the historic relics for collectors and the CMP would not be impeded by unreasonable regulations.

        Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

        The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world.

        The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. Economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to “harmonize” their work with the international community.

        If THIS IS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE, THEN PROVE TO YOURSELF IT’S WRONG – Google it. !!!

        http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

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        1. Bill P November 4, 2016

          Jim you need to research this a lot better, here is the real #’s

          Barack Obama – 242 not 923 you are pulling out of your butt
          GW Bush – 291 not the 62 you claim.
          GHW Bush – 166 not 3
          R Reagan – 381
          Clinton – 364
          Carter – 320

          The EO #s that you are assigning to President Obama are wrong, they #’s you state are from President Obama were actually from the 4 presidents listed below.

          John F. Kennedy (1961-1963) – EOs 10914-11127
          Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) – EOs 11128-11451
          Richard Nixon (1969-1974) – EOs 11452-11797
          Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977) – EOs 11798-11966

          President Obama’s EO #’s are 13489 – 13738 not the ones you used. So not only do you have the # of EO’s issued by prior presidents you can’t even list the correct EO 3’s issued by President Obama. What is your source Breitart or WND?

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          1. Jim Samaras November 4, 2016

            Whitehouse.gov…….It’s on the bottom of the post Bill

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          2. Bill P November 5, 2016

            Looked at the whitehouse.gov website. It shows 26 pages of EO’s created by President Obama with an average of 10 – 11 EO’s per page. That comes out to 260 – 286 EO’s not the inaccurate 923 that you claimed. Also the EO’s you referenced are EO’s that were created prior to Obama taking office. Additionally you EO #’s for other presidents are way too low. Also EO’s issued by one president can be reversed by a future president.

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    2. Wolfesgang November 4, 2016

      Yes, it’s one of the big mysteries of American politics: how’s it possible for a charlatan such as Trump to still command sizeable audiences? “Candy-coated BS” is just fine!

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  4. Jim Samaras November 4, 2016

    LOL…The “more tempered approach” should be what you leftist call a dog whistle for she’s gonna do NOTHING!

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  5. Blueberry Hill November 4, 2016

    Actually, I doubt if the Trump Trash will deliver on anything. I wonder if he even knows there is a Congress who needs to do most of what he says. Anyway, how can we trust anyone on trade who has all his stuff made in other countries, and even his money stashed in foreign banks? We can’t!!!!

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    1. dpaano November 7, 2016

      Definitely….I’m still waiting for him to tell us when he’s going to bring the manufacture of his clothing line back to the U.S., along with Ivanka’s. Apparently, that’s okay because it’s HIM, but it’s not okay for anything else.

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  6. Blueberry Hill November 4, 2016

    I’M STILL VOTING FOR HILLARY, SHE HAS EARNED OUR TRUST. THE OTHERS

    HAVE NOT, AND THAT INCLUDES THE FBI. THE CHEATING GOING ON ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS JUST THE KIND OF CHEATING THE TRUMP TRASH DOES.

    VOTE ALL DEMS UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT, THE HOUSE AN SENATE NEED A CLEANING OUT TOO. The Rs have spread so many lies and made up scandals that they are rendered untrustworthy altogether. Trump was claiming that the Dems were rigging the election, when it is actually him and his minions. He is a danger to us all.

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  7. Wolfesgang November 4, 2016

    One of Trump’s very special, blatant insults to common sense has been his nerve to stand up in front of West Virginia miners, bellowing at them: “I’m gonna put you back to your work”, etc. Even if he were to be elected, he would not put one single one of them back to their work (which is of course why he’s wise enough never to tell anyone just how exactly he is proposing to perform all his wonderful feats). It’s sad to see & hear so many good people rejoicing at Trump’s junk campaign, some probably knowing full well they’d be badly disappointed yet another time. Hopefully, we’ve seen & heard the last of Trump after November 8.

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    1. dpaano November 7, 2016

      It’s the same BS he spouts in Philadelphia when he tells them he’s going to reopen the steel mills! The problem is that so many people believe him.

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