By Jason Sattler

5 Horrendous, Unprecedented Ways The GOP Is Sabotaging Obamacare

August 2, 2013 3:50 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 79 Comments A+ / A-

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When Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) declared passing the Affordable Care Act to be “armageddon,” there was nowhere for the Republican Party to go but into absolute absurdity. And they have.

House Republicans took what is estimated to be their 40th vote to repeal all or some of the Affordable Care Act on Friday. But it’s outside the halls of Congress where their remarkable campaign to sabotage a law that’s already covering millions and saving lives has thrived.

You know about the blatant obstruction engineered by Republican governors and legislators  – including refusing to set up health insurance marketplaces or expand Medicaid, even though the federal government is funding, at first, 100 percent of the expansion.

But the unprecedented effort to oppose and destroy the first attempt to cover nearly all Americans with health insurance — because we already pay for each other’s health care in the dumbest way possible — is a guerrilla war, being fought every day, across the United States.

And though Republicans probably won’t succeed in preventing the implementation of most of the law in 2014, they’ve already made an already difficult task much more difficult in these five ways.

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  • Dominick Vila

    The greatest absurdity is not to take credit for an idea conceived by The Heritage Foundation, one of the most conservative think tanks in the nation, and the prototype put in place, successfully, by non other than Mitt Romney. The reason for the ire shown time and again by most Republican politicians has more to do with the fact that a Democrat they love to hate seized the opportunity to put in place a desperately needed alternative to the most expensive and exclusionary medical system in the world, than the alleged flaws that are part of any major program.
    Most people understand that changes to ACA will have to be made in the future as we learn more about its strengths and weaknesses. That does not mean the new program is flawed and that the only recourse is to repeal it. Had we done that to other social programs there would not be a Social Security, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, or any other government program. In fact, even corporate policies are modified as time goes by and more efficient ways to do business become apparent.
    What Republicans fear most is not the limitations or flaws in ACA, but the fact that it may turn out to be so successful that most Americans will support it as soon as its benefits become apparent to everyone.

    • InsideEye

      Agreed, it should be a single payer system with private choices. Similar to what congressional staff are getting presently . . The administrative cost for the presently conceived ACA, will cost more than the program itself …..add it on to Medicare , it already has the administration all set up and ready to go…..no need for exchanges…that is another administrative nightmare…legislators are looking to give waivers, loopholes to everyone ….they are good at that. Essentially there will be no one in the system , left to pay for it , at that rate.
      Healthcare providers are already stretched financially….it takes a lot to run a facility that is always staffed with the best technology and practices , that must handle every type of medical emergency, even private practice physicians / groups are saddled with the same expenses for 24/7 service. It costs to provide 24/7 service. It is a very demanding working environment.

      • sigrid28

        Following your logic, healthcare providers are already accustomed to providing services and being paid through the Medicare system. Under your idea, there would be more patients but the same procedures. Insurers will go ballistic, but they abused the trust of Americans when they put caps on coverage, charged women more than men, and dropped policy holders the moment they needed the provisions of a health care policy, one that often cost nearly a thousand dollars a month to carry. Your plan also bypasses Red states denying health exchange funding and extra Medicaid dollars for thousands of uninsured citizens, many of them children. I’ve often wondered if the refusal of Red states to cover needy citizens along with the bizarre behavior in the House of attempting to repeal the ACA, might serve, ironically, as a kind of yeast to bring about significant improvement in the ACA as it exists now, changes we would all applaud.

        • Dominick Vila

          When my eldest son decided to start his own computer networking company a few months ago, the insurance companies he contacted for healthcare coverage quoted $1,700 for individual coverage, and around $4,000 A MONTH for family coverage.
          Another benefit from ACA was the elimination of the pre-existing condition clause, which forced tens of thousands of families to beg for alms, sell their houses, borrow, and go bankrupt. There are no words to describe the cruelty of that insurance clause.
          I can’t believe some people still defend that state of affairs and want to preserve it.

          • sigrid28

            The pre-existing conditions abuse was so egregious, getting rid of that alone is worth all of the trouble there will be with rolling out ACA as it now stands. The same goes for the outrageous cost of health care policies for families like your son’s, where there is the good will and intellect to make a workable solution for his company (which I hope thrives). Imagine the many families without wise patriarchs like you and smart entrepreneurs like your son, just slogging along to make do with what they are offered. The shake-up created by the ACA is stressful but out of it might come welcome benefits.

          • Dominick Vila

            Thank you for the kind words. My son opted to wait until ACA is implemented to, hopefully, get insurance coverage at a more reasonable rate. In the interim, he is keeping his finger crossed, which is risky considering that he is type 1 diabetic. His business is going well, but the hours are long and frequent travel is taking its toll. Since that’s what Dems do, he is not complaining. :-)

          • sigrid28

            We lost our health insurance altogether on January 1, 2008. Since then, we have discovered low-cost community health centers and acute care centers open during regular office hours at some HMO-type health centers for walk-ins ($300 for a broken arm rather than $2,000 in the ER–both good options for travelers also); lower costs for medications through RXOutreach and Needymed (BIG SAVINGS, some provided by pharmaceuticals themselves) and switching to generics from brand-name meds (your pharmacist knows when these things change); and trying to do all we can to take better care of ourselves (hard to do while your son is on the road). Our state has an interim insurance program for individuals and families who do not have health insurance but do not quality for Medicaid either. Maybe your son’s state does as well? Some of these health care options require means tests and some do not. We save up to pay for specialists we know we will need but use the community health center and acute care for everything else. We are entirely in your corner, Dominick, and hoping for your son to maintain good health until October.

        • InsideEye

          Red States and funding refusal is based on citizens of receiving care and not contributing to the system …the Working Tax payer is not happy about this arrangement. SSN is also given out for other reasons to those that did not contribute to the fund, at least SSN is partially paid into by AGAIN the working tax payer.

          • Dominick Vila

            Are you aware of the fact that the states that take the most from the Federal government, and contribute the least, are usually red states?
            Yes, a lot of people are abusing SSI privileges. The ones I known personally are both Republicans/Tea Party supporters, although I am sure there are plenty of Democrats who also find ways to beat the system. This is an area that requires attention and must be resolved, if the goals are to reduce cost and better management of taxpayers monies.
            The irony is that a lot of people who do need help often have a hard time getting the aid they need, while the scum that find ways to beat the system get away with it.

          • InsideEye

            I have seen this gaming done by both types of people, not politically connected. Politicians may not be aware of this going or think that it is low prevalence. I was a liberal as they say, until I had to work for a living…..I am in healthcare and have seen outright fraud by falsification of eligibility for benefits….recently food stamp benefits being shipped to Haiti etc…. They certainly need it but… I ask ” am I paying for this??? Yes. This type of activity is being done by insiders in the system. It is hard to watch since I see others trying, working 3 jobs, if necessary to support themselves, and with pride, earning not taking. Fairness, fairness , fairness.

      • Dominick Vila

        The single payer system would have eliminated the middle man – the insurance companies which, not surprisingly was a non-starter for Republicans. Expanding MEDICARE and taking advantage of its infrastructure and resources would have been a logical option, had it not been for the fact that MEDICARE has been under attack by the GOP since it was put in place. The latest plan to get rid of it was in Rep. Ryan’s plan when he proposed replacing with vouchers during the last presidential election.
        Making ACA work with the insurance industry running it is not going to be easy. Insurance companies, the ER freebies the GOP wants to preserve, frivolous lawsuits, and exorbitant RX costs are among the most important causes for rising medical costs in the USA during the past several decades. I am not sure ACA will be able to limit the abuses that contribute to the problem at hand. It will, however, give access to preventive medical care to millions of uninsured Americans, it will lower insurance company premiums for the self-employed and small business owners, and it already eliminated some of the most reprehensible medical policies in the world.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    If the GOP Bull Male Dominator Party is this desperate, we can only assume big, big, big money is behind it. These loonies of the right would rather suffer flogging in a public square than give up their ties to big money. But now, they are faced with a radical change the American population is already seeing as light at the end of a medical bankruptcy tunnel. More’s the pity the greedheads of the right don’t.

    • topjob66t

      Bull Male Dominator Party? I read a lot of blogs and read the comments on all of them if comments are permitted but that description is a first for me. I like it because it is descriptive yet not insulting. A tea bagger wouldn’t be insulted because the descriptor would fly over their head without registering the fact that they are being referenced.
      Of course the GOP is the BMDP. And it fits.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        When I hear the biggest mouths from the GOP, they are never women. Why? Worse? Watch their rude, discourtesy in Senate committee meetings. Yesterday, I watched a snippet where Issa was heading the committee…This jerk asks a question in a hostile way with a puss on his mug that would scare King Kong and then? The minute the man tried to open his mouth, King Kong Issa cut him off and refused to let him speak. So these GOP Bull Male Dominators don’t just dominate women, they dominate men as well. They do it by refusing to allow open discourse on topics they refuse to even hear.

        Who raised these creeps? Mama Kong? And it isn’t just Issa either. Ryan is just a rude and discourteous. They ask a question and before the man has a chance to answer, they cut him off like Wild West cowboys…Anyone who thought the Bush Rodeo left town better think again.

        • topjob66t

          Over at Political Wire, where I tend to visit most often and interact with others, I posted a couple of links that explained the psychology of bullies and how the members of the GOP actually share those tendencies. The pathology explained in those articles were eerily spot on for the tea baggers and the crazy new members in our Congress and Senate. And certainly apply to Issa.
          These bullies were kept in check once upon a time but the plug has been pulled and the insanity escaped. The force behind this of course are the idle minds of the super rich who promoted these gremlins to power so they, the elitists, could milk the government and have the government do their bidding.
          The point about women being silent isn’t actually correct but you CAN apply the pathological insanity to the few who do open their viral yaps. I would have to fire up my Word program and search for those articles. But you can just type into a search engine the words “Are the GOP insane” and have a ton of fun perusing and maybe come to the scientific ones that absolutely put these assholes in the box.
          Down with the Bull Male Dominator Party!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            A more articulate explanation of the GOP Bull Male Dominator Party I couldn’t have created myself. My fear is that the younger women today will become prey for that “Tender Flowers of Sweet Magnoliahood,” these bull male want to turn them into. Sugar coat women’s truest needs and then control them to the point of submission.

          • topjob66t

            I think Eleanor that you are allowing the absolute bat shit crazy antics of the most abusive males who snuck under the fence and are passing oppressive bills against women on the state level be confused with a national opinion that women are equal.
            Not only are women esteemed and equal on the bigger scheme of Nationalism but the LBTG has gained tremendous ground … Nationally.
            It is the little pissant states who can’t wipe their collective asses without instruction getting press. And I am not apposed to reading stories of bat shit crazy. I need to be kept abreast of them. But we are better off than the cynical view thought about in that area.
            Just look at Bill O’Reilly spouting off about race bullshit. He gave up on the women versus men thing. He had to shift to racism. (That guy pisses me off incidentally.)
            I wouldn’t worry too much Eleanor because you seem like the person who will get about 50 people to vote back against the bat shit crazy and change the electorate back to sane.

      • Wendy Fossiano

        Do you know what tea bagging is, I hope not because I’m sure if you did you would not use that to describe me just because I have different political views then you

        • topjob66t

          Do you know who Rachelle Maddow is? Do you know who Jane Hamsher is? Well when the Tea Bag Party took shape, under the funding of the Koch Brothers, to harness the power of the illiterate garbage that comprised about 20% of the population, those two ladies had a conniption fit on Rachel’s show. They couldn’t help themselves from laughing at such a choice of a name.
          That show quickly caused the Tea Bag Party, who proudly called themselves Tea Baggers to change the name to Tea Party.
          So yes I know what tea bagging is. And I refer to the tea baggers in the most derisive way I can by pointing out just how stupid that part of humanity is here in America… tea baggers.
          Hope I answered your question Wendy.

    • FredAppell

      You’re right but it doesn’t matter to them. When they lose their seats because of public scorn, they will still enjoy all the perks of having served and they will happily be counting the money they received via bribes, which is all they ever cared about anyway.

  • itsfun

    Shutting down the government would be the decision of Obama, not any Senators or Representatives. People in this country do not want the affordable health care law. There are better ways to get health care for everyone. Causing people to lose jobs and work hours will destroy the middle class. All people with existing conditions should be allowed to enter the Medicare system for the same cost seniors are paying now. If a mandated health care plan made young people join Medicare, this may save Medicare. The younger folks won’t be needing the same treatments as seniors and those with existing conditions. Their money would help those needing treatments now and also guarantee them health care when they need it. As a senior I now pay about $100 a month. If the millions of young people had to join and pay the same, think of the amount of money that would go into Medicare. Our government would not need to design new computer systems and make new agencies and put the IRS in charge of health care. Those savings alone would be worth millions. There just has to be better ways to provide health care, than taking over control of every citizens life and death decisions being made by a death panel of government employees.

    • cpbis

      You obviously have no idea what the ACA does and will do! The GOP has done a great job in confusing and lying about the program. It will save money in the long run (look at Massachusetts results since 2006). Most Health Care administrators from which I retired are for the program because the system has been broken for years and every president since FDR wanted to set up similar programs but the media and opposing parties led people to believe it was socialized medicine, just another lie and scare tactic. The ACA is necessary and will benefit all even though it will have some hiccups along the way as any new program has. Go to “healthcare.gov” and find out what the ACA is all about then if you still are anti give us a better alternative.

      • itsfun

        Gave you one, just use existing systems to accomplish goal. I know what ACA is. I should go to Obama’a healthcare site to learn more. Thats like telling someone to go to hell to get cooler.

        • 4sanity4all

          So, then, your mind is closed, and you do not want any facts to interfere with your misconceptions, right?

          • itsfun

            Even some of the people that help write this system, say is a train wreck waiting to happen. Why do you think implementation is being delayed on some parts of it? This is a fact for sure. By delaying some parts of it, the law is being broken by the President. He has no authority to say a law won’t be enforced. He is just picking and choosing which laws to enforce. This is not his job or authority. By doing this, he is just doing what any dictator would do. If a law is to be changed or rewritten or delayed, it is the sworn and constitutional duty of the Congress to do it.

          • cpbis

            You do not know what you are talking about. Please, you are so out of it! Your statement is totally false

          • itsfun

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/01/Obama-Promises-to-Look-Into-Giving-Congressional-Staffers-a-Break-on-Obamacare. Unions are trying to beg out of obamacare now. IRS employees are trying to beg out of obamacare. If obamacare is so wonderful, why do so many people and organizations want out.

        • cpbis

          That is not an Obama sight it is the ACA sight. You can even get the whole bill if you want it! You are obviously against Obama and therefore against anything he brings to the forefront. Sad!

          • itsfun

            If this site is put out by any current government entity, you can bet is has Obama’s approval. His staff is not going to allow anything on the net, that isn’t for the good of their boss.

          • cpbis

            Are you sick? Every bill has a sight. Every bill is made available through the government. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. It’s the approved bill/law. Citizen’s that think as you do are totally uninformed and completely out of touch. “nough said with you!

      • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

        Republicans are vehemently opposed to the ACA, and decry it as unworkable. If they really believe that, why don’t they just sit back and watch it fail? Then they could could really make political points by blaming Obama. But deep down, they are terrified that the ACA will be successful, and once people use it and like it, the republican arguments will be proven to be false. Universal healthcare in Massachusetts (introduced by Romney) is working well and saving money for consumers.

        • FredAppell

          You made a very interesting point, why don’t they just sit back
          and watch it fail if it is so horrendous. I haven’t heard anyone use that perspective until now.

    • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

      If the government is shut down it will be on the backs of the Republicans, Cruz, Lee and Paul and the rest of the extremist who do not give a dam about this Country. If there are better ideas for getting everyone insured why aren’t the Republicans coming up with them? Remember the basis for Obamacare stems from Romneycare which comes from the Heritage Foundation – both Republican individuals or entities. If there are better ways why are the Republicans sitting down with the President and other Democrats to work on Obamacare to strengthen it and address the problems they believe exist? The answer they hate President Obama more than doing their job in the best interest of “we the people”. The life and death decisions under AHCA is between the patient and the doctor and contrary to Ms. Bachman’s claims there are no death panels. Please read the act listen to something other than Fox News, Limbaugh and Beck just to name a few.

      • itsfun

        I usually watch CBS morning news. Cruz,Lee and Paul are part of the very few so-called law makers that actually believe in the Constitution of this country. You won’t hear them saying things like, lets pass this bill so we can find out what is in it, or What difference does it make.

        • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

          Cruz, Lee and Paul are only interested in their own political careers and have no respect for the Constitution, only the parts that help them further their career. Where are they when your party is passing laws to prevent people from voting – and please that voter fraud lie has been debunked over and over again. Where are they when your party is passing laws preventing women to make their own decisions concerning carrying a pregnancy to term? Where are they when your party is hiding these extreme laws in the dead of night with no discussion, or in a motorcycle safety bill, etc. Where are they when women are asking for equal pay – they vote no. Why did the vote against the violence against women act? Why are they against Gay Marriage, if they are so interested in civil liberties. Why do they not remember that the Constitution you claim they believe in: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;…” or ”All people are equal before law”

        • docb

          Those 3 are only interested in the Constitution when politically expedient and only their interpretation.! And the cretins use lies to brainwash kids like this:

          http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/gop-anti-obamacare-agitators-now-compare-themselves-vietnam-war-protesters

    • 4sanity4all

      Well, the Congress could have devised a plan such as the one you state, but they did not. After years of wrangling, the one plan that got though was the ACA. It is now the law of the land. The IRS is not in charge of health care now, but their financial records will show who is entitled to a subsidy under the ACA. There is no death panel making decisions, nor will there be. People in this country do want the ACA, it is only people like you, who do not understand how the law will work, or how it will benefit you, that do not. So, you can calm down, because the government plan you are on is helping you, and it will continue to help you. The ACA will help millions like me. It will be more fair, because the government is making it possible for ALL of us to get affordable healthcare. You can’t believe the misinformation that the money boys are putting out there.

      • itsfun

        The government plan I am on, is one I have been paying through payroll for years. There are panels, read the tax law. The IRS has to be in charge of this tax, because the only way it was ruled to be constitutional is to label it as a tax. The IRS is in charge of collecting taxes. If you would just take a complete look at this you would see it. Health care for all is a wonderful idea and I feel we should have it. But, anytime the only way you can get something is behind locked doors and by bribing US Senators, then something is not quite right. Also, kinda funny for the so-called most transparent administration ever.

      • itsfun
        • cpbis

          Because those groups are not trying to get out. You must be hearing that from the tea party. Do you know also that those states,, unlike many governed by a GOP governor, who are participating in ACA are saving on their health care premiums. Anywhere from 20 to 50 percent. Those who bow out of many aspects of ACA are seeing premiums increase. Just look at Massachusetts since 2006 they have saved several millions of dollares and the vast majority of the residents of that state are exceedingly happy with Romneycare which Obamacare mirrors in many ways. Get the facts not those from Fox news, which is owned and operated by felons and liars who helped put England in a horrible financial situation. I refuse to go beyond this with you because you have no clue as to what is going on!

          • itsfun

            Just keep going around with your head in the sand. Just check on how many unions wrote letters to Nancy and Harry asking them to help get them away from obamacare. You have no idea how many people don’t want the government controlling their medical care, thus controlling their lives. Just keep listening to all the new socialist plans and ideas from Herr Obama.

        • sigrid28

          You keep citing Breitbart.com, which represents the far right point of view, not necessarily the facts of the law. It’s OK to like talking points, but risky to believe them.

    • topjob66t

      Did you even read the article? Granted it has lots of words and charts but it did point out that 59% of the populace approve of the plan. You blew it by opening your comment in the first sentence. Cruz, a Senator, says it will be really cool to hold the Economy and the US hostage if Republicans don’t stop funding Obamacare … or some such bullshit that dribbles from his lips.
      You direct some idea about our youth contributing to Medicare to save it. As a senior citizen you appear to be clueless on that front. Reducing fraud and allowing competition among drug companies and generic drugs reduces cost.
      You may want to explain the comment a bit more where you assert that the IRS has anything to do with the ACA. That one puzzles me but you may have some insider information eh? Please elaborate on that.

      • itsfun

        The healthcare program is a tax. The supreme court said so. The IRS collects tax money from citizens. Medicare, I was just throwing out a idea. Polls show that the young people are not going to buy insurance. It will be cheaper for them to pay a fine. They won’t pay for insurance because most of them will never use healthcare until they are older. By paying what I pay and others pay, it may create a pile of money to help pay for future generations. Medicare is already in place, it works quite well. A new system is not needed, just expand the ones we have. The savings in Information Technology costs for development of a new and very complicated system would be great. I read a article that said Medicare pays hospitals and doctors a average of .27 cents on the dollar they ask. Just trying to say there has to be a better way to go about healthcare for all. The writers of the new law even say the new law is a train wreck waiting to happen. The new law gives the government complete control over our medical care. Congressional staff people are now finding a way to get out of obamacare. If its not good enough for them, why should it be forced upon just average citizens.

        • topjob66t

          Under the ACA, the employee portion of the hospital insurance tax (as well as the self-employed individual’s hospital insurance tax) is increased by 0.9 percent on wages in excess of $200,000 for an individual filing as single or head of household, $250,000 for a married couple, or $125,000 for a married individual filing a separate return. And that is part and parcel of the IRS influence on the ACA as you mentioned.

          As far as the youth argument goes as you use it I say that the youth have never bought into insurance. What the ACA acknowledges is that the young are not concerned with insurance. So what the ACA did was allow the youth to be covered under their parents existing plans. That was a big deal for the kids who never worry about their own mortality.
          The writers of the new law who say this is a train wreck, as you post only in part, are referring to the absolute obstruction of it in many states by the GOP. Give them credit for wrecking a plan they themselves devised to thwart Universal Healthcare. I can see why you might bring that up but it is the GOP who cause some to say things like that.
          Regards a plan to put our health records into a National health care data base is rife with questions and concerns about privacy protection. But the merits of having a medical person access your records, say while on vacation far away from your family doctor, needs to be seriously considered.
          As far as your comment about the government having complete control over our medical care was pulled from Conservative media. That is a bogus lie and has been floated about for some years now as Universal Healthcare looms ever closer to reality.
          I am retired and on SS. Fortunately I am, for some strange reason, relatively healthy as I approach 70. And a big proponent for Universal Healthcare. So I am biased.

          • itsfun

            I too am approaching 70 and I support universal healthcare. I just don’t support this law. If a single person is making over 42000, they will not be allowed any subsidy for the insurance. If a couple is making something like over 55000, they won’t be eligible for any insurance subsidy also. Many many people are going to see a large increase in their insurance costs. I personally know 2 managers working in the food business. They have both been ordered not to hire any full time employees and to cut back their current employees to 30 hours and under because of the insurance mandate. These 2 guys have no idea how they are going to manage their departments without employees. I think this law is going to hurt an already weak economy. I just don’t see how this law can work. I feel we need a better program, not one that was passed behind locked doors and by bribing their own people to pass it.

          • topjob66t

            I thought I explained the process to get a bill passed. Legislatures convene in private and hash out details. You insist that the law was cloaked in secrecy and nefariously dropped on unsuspecting lawmakers. And they voted for it like they were dining on crab or something and scribbled an OK willy nilly on a napkin. That isn’t how the process works. Sesame Street taught the process and you missed that series of how the government works
            Fine with me old timer … live with that opinion you got.
            But I will say that Social Security was a skeleton at birth was where it is now. What is freaking out the Conservatives is that this Obama care could turn out to be a long process of yet another program to aid Americans just like Social Security.
            You will have to pick a side eventually funny person and stop knit picking. Maybe you would like me to deluge you with fifty links that point out the benefits of the plan?
            But I suspect that will not dissuade you from your basic bitch. Which hasn’t come up yet.

          • itsfun

            I know how a bill gets passed. I also know the Democrats would not let any of the three Republican bills for healthcare out of committee. Then say, the Republicans don’t have a bill. They had bills, the Democrat controlled committee would not allow them out of the committee. Also, your hero campaigned on having the most transparent administration. What happened? The first major bill of his administration got passed in secret, using special senate rules and bribing his own Democratic Senators to get it passed. You have the gull to talk about crab dinners when the most underhanded tactics that could possibly be used to pass a bill were used. If this law is so great, why now are the federal employees getting out of it, why are the union leaders writing letters to Peloski and Reid to try and get the law changed. Why has Obama decided to delay some of the implementation of the bill. Which by the way is illegal. This is a new tax law, he has no constitutional authority to say the country will enforce only parts of laws or not enforce them all. A dictator can do that kind of stuff. You tell me I have to pick a side and not nit pick. This is not nit-picking. This is serious stuff. If you want to keep your head in the sand or someplace else, go ahead and have fun, and watch your costs go up and up and up.

          • topjob66t

            OK I will only do this response one more time because you seem too pissed off for me.
            I recall the Republicans throwing in all kinds of poison pills that would neuter the plan. The GOP wanted to stop the plans restriction on stopping insurance companies from pre existing conditions. So yes they got stopped. Eat that one up.
            There was no secrecy as I already told you sir. It is procedure.
            Obama has delayed implementation for some businesses because you assholes have stopped getting the rules out.
            Lastly I think I addressed the IRS in my last post.
            You have a bug up your ass and not at all fond of the ACA. And I am going to give that bug a friend to agitate you. It is the fact that we now have a platform to institute universal healthcare. Something you could use but are to stupid to appreciate.

          • itsfun

            The House voted Friday to prohibit the Internal Revenue
            Service from implementing Obamacare, citing concerns that the agency
            could not be trusted with the task after employees applied inappropriate
            scrutiny levels of to conservative groups.

            “The IRS is already out of control, abusing its power to tax and
            audit the activities of honest, hardworking Americans… Yet, ObamaCare
            granted the IRS 47 new powers — including giving confidential taxpayer
            information to other departments and applying new taxes and penalties,”
            said Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp in a floor speech
            before the vote.

            House Republicans have also expressed concern that implementation
            would give the IRS access to confidential health information, data they
            say the agency cannot be trusted with, The Hill reported.

            Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/2013/08/out-of-control-house-passes-bill-prohibiting-the-irs-from-implementing-obamacare/#ixzz2b8AYRwAz

          • topjob66t

            Do you get upset over the pace of events as they unfold? You seem tuned in and I think I am but shit is flying really fast.
            Nobody is reading what is being proposed. That bothers me.

          • itsfun

            Did you see yesterday, Ohio announced that healthcare insurance cost will raise 41% next year in Ohio.

          • topjob66t

            Ever notice how a copy and paste from a careless and lazy poster appears? No logical assembly of words and paragraphs as they move words from one platform to another. All jumbled and unreadable. Ignorable.

          • bsaunders

            They will manage their departments because the owners will realize that running a business without employees is impossible and a stupid response to the health care law.

    • LotusJoan

      You would not be so frightened of ACA if you knew anything about it. I
      recognize everything in your post from Fox misinformation. The worst thing is to blame the President because Cruz and Lee are idiots. . It will be the President’s fault if Congress (who is responsible for our budget under the constitution) shuts down the government and defaults on our debt because they do not want to fund a legally passed law, the ACA. Apply that same logic to something that
      progressives do not want to fund – yet is the law of the land, like say the
      Patriot Act or drones?. What Cruz and Lee suggest is sedition and it is dangerous.

  • judeso3

    Having the upper 2% pay 2% more in taxes to help fund Obamacare is the way to go… The rich have to pay their fair share of taxes… Is only American and the patriotic thing to do… Goverment can not afford to be giving the rich special treatments specially in a bad economy…. The rich must give back some of what they have taken… If you look at it logically… The rich are not going to lose anything… They are not just going to take as much… They are just going to give back 2% of what they have been taking through tax cuts so they can produce jobs… By the way… Where are the jobs?

  • irishtap

    So telling is that the GOP has largely been successful in staving off legislation designed for humane and/or cost saving rationale for 30 years or so. Currently the GOP is learning about the ‘law of diminishing return’ from it’s unrelenting scare propaganda regarding HCA, and the fact they offer no viable alternative to such a necessary – fundamental – human issue. Our diversity of race and culture is how our country will ultimately prevail over their extreme hatred for progress and protections for the very wealthy. The Tea Party is a faux Christian, fascist sect wholly without social conscience.

  • Landsende

    After voting for the 40th time to repeal the ACA Rep. Tom Price (R) of Georgia stated to a reporter that “We believe that patients, families and doctors should be making medical decisions and not Washington D.C. and not the IRS”. Then why do talipublicans keep passing laws that prevent women from making their own medical decisions concerning their healthcare and body? One more example of talipublicans saying one thing and doing another and then they wonder why women don’t support them.

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      The republicans are the only group in the world, to the best of my knowledge, who believe that both single-celled zygotes and corporations are American citizens.

      • dpaano

        Couldn’t say it better myself….they are all a bunch of self-centered hypocrites!

    • Dominick Vila

      One of the biggest lies advanced by ACA opponents is that the creation of a panel composed of medical doctors, hospital administrators and professionals from the insurance and pharmaceutical industry are going to make decisions that ought to be made by the patient and his/her doctor. The panel’s charter is to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the new program and recommend changes as appropriate. Even if they tried, it would be a physical impossibility to make medical decisions on millions of individual cases. As for the IRS, I am not sure I understand the logic behind that statement.

  • Bob Williams

    A few e-mails past this e-mail in my In-Box was one entitled…

    Union Leaders Beg Reid and Pelosi: “Don’t Force Us Into ObamaCare!”
    Just yesterday, the head of the FBI said that his agency didn’t want to be forced into ObamaCare.
    Maybe if you Obamazombies put your partisan politics aside for just a moment, you will realize that while the concept of nationwide health care is a noble one, ObamaCare is the wrong solution.

  • Betta

    Do you guys even have functioning brains? It is why I rarely come here to comment. You guys are real pieces of work and enemies of the USA for supporting a known LIAR and illegal alien in the oval office. Your blind backward ignorance makes me sick to my stomach.

    This nation is circling the drain under your “messiah” and you ningcompoops support the very MOFO facilitating it. Obamacare destroys and you LOVE it! Hope all of you are first in line to take the mark of the beast. Even the IRS employees don’t want it and neither do the whores, liars and thieves on capitol hill. Can you guys READ and comprehend at all?

    • dpaano

      Betta: You need to get a functioning brain….obviously you’ve been watching too much FOX News lately. It’s been proven time and time again that our president (yes, he IS our president) was born in Hawaii….apparently you still think that’s a foreign land because you don’t know any better. Get a life, okay…..either that, or go live with Trump!

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      Then screw!

  • montanabill

    Obamacare was sabotaged the moment it was conceived behind closed doors, pushed through as a single party agenda complete with bribes with a total loon who insisted we had to pass it to find out whats in it.

    • topjob66t

      The ACA mimicked the plan that Romney implemented in Massachusetts when he was Governor. The conservative Heritage Foundation constructed the foundation of that plan as a way to stifle the growing desire to have universal healthcare.
      Maybe you missed that part of history.
      There was the usual consultation in congressional and senatorial committees that occur behind closed doors to formulate the plan before it is presented to the majority. Is that the secret behind door crap you are pedaling here?
      The plan was voted in and it is the law. And I can assure you that it will be approved upon over the ensuing years as Social Security has.
      That meme about having to pass it to read what is in it is lazy talk and I am tired of folk like you failing to realize that your reps were too frigging lazy to read it and now make lame excuses when asked if they read the proposal.

      • montanabill

        Jeff Dunham’s puppets mimic humans too, but that doesn’t make them human.

        Nice revisionist history, though.

        • topjob66t

          Ooooh! A quack who ignores the origins of the ACA. Sweet. Neat populist name dropping with the revisionist thingy. Go away until you can reply sensibly to a factual post.

          • sigrid28

            And a fan of “America’s Got Talent” or a “guest” in Las Vegas–reality TV (I confess my own weakness here), gambling maybe (here I pass), and keeping up with Fox News. A little portrait of life on the far right.

          • topjob66t

            Are you really right? Gamblers have no political affiliation. I had one discussion a very long time ago that I could name all the women I had a sexual intimacy with and when I named my friends who I just involved intimacy he asked me how many jobs I had and bet me that I couldn’t remember them all.
            Well I had more jobs than cards in a deck and I thought I knew them all so I took the gambler on. After rattling off them all all and said what the hell do you think about that he told me that I loose because I forgot to include getting paid an allowance from my parents. It was an aw fuck moment so I don’t mess with gamblers. You guys are too deep for me.
            Wait a sec … did you say that you don’t gamble and are just hooked on stoopid TV?

          • sigrid28

            Ah the National Memo comment thread! The gift that keeps on giving.

    • Ed

      montanabill: “total loon”? Nancy ??
      You are way too kind to her ….

  • johnygo

    Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein
    Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $278 million tax refund.
    In 2008, Goldman Sachs received a $278 million refund from the IRS, even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion that year. Zero. $278 million tax refund.
    In 2008, Goldman Sachs received a $278 million refund from the IRS, even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion that year. Number of offshore tax havens in 2010? 39.
    In 2010, Goldman Sachs operated 39 subsidiaries in offshore tax haven countries. 39.
    In 2010, Goldman Sachs operated 39 subsidiaries in offshore tax haven countries. Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $3.32 billion.
    Goldman Sachs has stashed $20.63 billion in offshore tax haven countries to avoid payng income taxes. If this practice was outlawed, it would have paid $3.32 billion in federal income taxes. $3.32 billion.
    Goldman Sachs has stashed $20.63 billion in offshore tax haven countries to avoid payng income taxes. If this practice was outlawed, it would have paid $3.32 billion in federal income taxes.
    Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824 billion.
    During the financial crisis, Goldman Sachs received a total of $814 billion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $10 billion bailout from the Treasury Department. $824 billion.
    During the financial crisis, Goldman Sachs received a total of $814 billion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $10 billion bailout from the Treasury Department.

    • dpaano

      And what’s that got to do with the ACA, which is what this article is about? Please stay on topic here!

  • Joey59

    could you please put in a way to see all the “pages” on ONE screen Please?

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