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Thursday, October 27, 2016

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Although the National Rifle Association successfully blocked the expansion of gun sale background checks from passing the Senate in April, the group is now facing perilous political times. Many of the senators who sided with the gun lobby to block the immensely popular measure have seen their approval ratings plummet, and the group has all but abandoned the bipartisan outreach that has allowed it to survive past backlash.

The NRA’s willingness to cater to the right-wing fringe was clearly on display over the weekend at the group’s annual convention. As NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre ranted about the Boston bombings and failed vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin waved a tin of chew in mockery of New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, it became more clear than ever that the nation’s largest gun-owners group resides squarely on the far right — and far, far away from the mainstream of the country.

Here are five lowlights from the NRA convention:

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  • Sand_Cat

    I first read the title as “Five lowlifes,” and I had to think, “Is that all?”

  • KarenJ

    NRA gun instructor Rob Pincus: “if you’re worried that your kid is going to try to break into the safe that is in their bedroom, with a gun in it, you have bigger problems than home defense.”

    And voila!

    July 2012:

    May 2013:

  • ObozoMustGo

    Blaming the NRA for gun violence is like blaming AAA for car crashes.

    Although pictures of Obozo are suitable for practice targets to some, I think we’ve found a better use for Obozo’s picture….. [click image to enlarge]

    Have a nice day!

    “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -Thomas Jefferson

    “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.” – George Washington

    “The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” -Samuel Adams

    • TZToronto

      The first two quotations are bogus. Washington and Jefferson did mention firearms, but they did not say what you say they said.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Look them up, fool! You will find them in many registers of quotes. Besides, you’re just a garden variety Canadian socialist and useful idiot so your comments are discounted to what they are worth…. the product of the back end of a dog! You have no equivalent to our 2nd Amendment, so STFU!!!

        Have a nice day!

        As Founding Father Tench Coxe said, while attempting to allay the fears of critics of the proposed Constitution: “The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The
        militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

        • Show from the Constitution where it says that it gives any right of the people who are not a part of the military any right to keep and bear arms. Don’t give any unsubstantiated quotes. Show it from the law that we are all sworn to as American citizens.

        • slobis

          Can you please stop speaking for all Americans? You are an embarrassment. Canada may not have a “2nd Amendment” but they have more guns per capita than the United States and not even 1% of the gun deaths.

          Many Americans (like myself) support the right of our fellow citizens to keep and bear arms but don’t think that that right needs to be completely unfettered.

          • idamag

            And, if the founders had foreseen the second amendment being used to justify the whack jobs, they would have made sure it was written so that would not happen.

          • plc97477

            The obviously did not expect the level of crazy in the people today.

          • Well said. What the fascist doesn’t realize is that gun ownership, like ANY other right, comes with commensurate responsibilities.

            In the article, Glen “Kid Paranoia” Beck says that no one wants to be “responsible”, but what he fails to mention, or even notice, is that it isn’t the rest of the country that doesn’t want to be responsible, but his own supporter, the NRA, the GOTeabaggers and the extremists on the religious reich……People like “Obozomustgo”, up there. None of them actually want to have the responsibility, just the rights… a spoiled child.

            Maybe it’s just because I have served in defense of that Constitution that I have a great deal of respect for the responsibilities that come with those rights, or maybe it was just that my parents raised me right. Either way, I understand the difference between rights and responsibilities and know and understand that the two are intertwined.

            I guess that some people are just too stupid to get it.

          • plc97477

            I think your parents did a great job.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Slob…. you really are stupid, arent you? Making a statement like that makes you look like a complete fool. You must be young and ignorant. Where do you get your info? John Stewart? Stephen Colbert? TMZ? Media Matters? You have no idea what you are talking about. Here are the facts:

            Per Capita Gun Ownership: The US has a gun ownership of 88.8 guns per 100 people. Canada has 30.8 guns per 100 people. Now, I’ll give you a pass if you went to public education in America where 2+2 may or may not equal 4, depending upon how you feel about it and whether or not you are a victim of some sort, but in the real world, surprising to you as it may be, 88.8 is still higher than 30.8, you dope.


            Gun Violence: The US is ranked 17TH in the world in gun related deaths at only 3.2 homicice deaths per 100,000 in population. The highest is Jamaica who has nearly 48 deaths per 100,000 people.


            You need to seriously keep your trap shut in public on matters for4 which you know nothing about.

            Grow up. And have a nice day!

            “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain

          • slobis

            Wow, insulting and arrogant as well ignorant, big surprise.

            Yes, I did actually get those numbers (well the first one) wrong. US gun ownership per capita has gone way up in the last few years, it would seem. Maybe I was thinking of % of the population who own firearms…

            Either way, it wasn’t my point. You completely missed my point in favor of insulting me as much as you could for having a different opinion.(and then, hilariously, tell me to “grow up”)

            I say again, do not speak for all Americans. Many Americans support the 2nd Amendment and still support tighter restrictions on who can obtain a firearm. Doesn’t make me un-American or stupid. I just don’t think an amendment written largely to give slave-owners the rights to shoot and kill runaway slaves needs to be interpreted quite so literally in 2013.

            I have no idea what your graph is supposed to prove.

          • holyreality

            I just don’t think an amendment written largely to give slave-“owners the rights to shoot and kill runaway slaves needs to be interpreted quite so literally in 2013.”

            Presumably the Second supports the rights of loser cowards to buy an AR15 to shoot up their local school.

        • Why don’t you just shutup about all your bogus quotes and read some real history and don’t twist everything around to suit what you think!!

        • You showed a picture from the Holocaust, but remember this, under Hitler, Germany had the MOST LAX gun control laws on the planet. EVERYONE, except the Jews, was allowed to own any sort of firearm that they wanted. That picture may have been a “gun free zone”, but I can guarantee that none of them there were anything but Jews and dissenters against Hitler’s regime.

          The 2nd amendment was not put there to give us all the right to bear arms, but to protect the rights of slave owners to send armed militias out to return escaped slaves. Instead of parroting the lies of the NRA, do some scholarly homework, if you have the intellect to do so.

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          The Hilarious Flaw In A Gun Nut’s Logic

          The Hitler gun control lie –

          Nice try, fascist, but the facts do not support your argument.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Chrissy, you are a brain dead moron if you think that the National Socialist Party leader (Hitler) was supportive of gun ownership. Absolutely the opposite is true. One of the first thingts he did was to begin disarming the people, especially the Jews. He would not have been able to march 6 Million of them to the gas chambers if they were armed, you dope!

            The picture is accurate and is common among countries taken over by leftists who seek to impose socialism on the masses. Those who disagree and prefer freedom are murdered. In fact, more human life was extinguished in the past 100 years by tyrants like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and myriad other scums, who disarmed their people and shoved socialism down their throats than was lost in all the wars combined in the past 200+ years. Estimates range between 100 million and 200 million people killed by socialist tyrants. Oh, by the way, which of the 2 major political parties in the US is most closely aligned with socialist ideals? Come on… you can do it…. admit it… be honest…. that’s right, the DemonRAT party. It’s why the Communist Party USA has endorsed Obozo in both elections. It’s why socialists like Bernie Sanders (at least he’s honest) caucus with the DemonRAT party. So the truth is that DemonRATS clearly seek to disarm Americans in a longer term trend toward tyranny. Not saying Obozo is Hitler or Stalin, but he has a hell of a lot more in common ideologically with them than he has with Goeorge Washington, that’s for sure. And it is why we freedom loving Americans fight ANY attempts at gun control with ferocious tenacity… because we know where it has led for millions before and we’re not going down that road. You can say “that would never happen here” but only an ingorant fool actually believes that we are somehow impervious, now or in the future, to political leaders that will have less than honorable intentions.

            Have a nice day!

            “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn reflecting on how easy it was for Stalin
            to overrun and murder the opposition that was not armed.

        • jsjca

          I did look them up.

          According to “Thomas Jefferson Monticello”, Jefferson did not say that. In fact, the earliest known appearance of it
          is 1989.


          Washington’s Quote.

          The source states, “This has several variations including “hour” for “moment” and sometimes added as part of an actual Washington quote”

          “The problems with this quote are many. (1) Prairie wagons were not being utilized and the prairies were
          uninhabited by European settlers at the time.

          (2) The percentage use and other modern English phrases such as “safe and sane” are suspicious and atypical for the time period. (3) The bold proclamation of needing firearms is
          odd since nobody was considering gun control against law-abiding people at the time. (4) Too many convenient topics are covered in one passage.”

          “Despite all these problems, could parts of this quote be true? Maybe.

          But it should be properly documented and no one has.


        • TZToronto

          Washington and Jefferson did mention arms, but they did not say what has been attributed to them. The alleged quotations are (1) taken out of context and (2) inaccurately paraphrased . . . fool.

    • bandrulz

      ‘Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.” – Abraham Lincoln

    • oldtack

      Once upon the forum you were just a person full of hot air and rhetoric – but tolerable. Now – you are just full of shit and vitriol.. Go join your Tea Party friends on the gun range and get your jollies while you fantasize.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Now now, Old… you need to take your Geritol and relax, buddy. No need for you to get upset. I’m just stirring up the leftist freak hornets nest a little bit. Here’s another pic for you.

        Have a nice day!

        “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

        • So it’s it’s only old people that are standing in your way? What a twit!! Karma’s a bitch!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Maddy… you’re one the few on this site that is actually as equally stupid as grammyjill. Do you know one another? A discussing between the 2 of you would be an abject lesson in slack-jawed idiocy!

            Have a nice day, and remain oblivious!

            “The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth.” – ObozoMustGo

        • Well, you are pissing off the moderates and other intelligent people, too.

          Your lunatic fringe arguments do nothing to contribute to the discussion. And you are sounding just a little to the right of Stalin.

          You want to have reasoned debate? Fine. Do so with FACTS AND CORRECT INFORMATION for a change.

          That is how us grown ups do it.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Get over yourself Chrissy! I have not had a single discussion with a leftist freak that has any clue what a “fact” is, let alone recognize truth if it were a steel pipe banging their empty craniums time after ruthless time. Here’s a FACT for you:

            * Of the top 20 states in the US with the highest per capita murder rates, 17 of them are dark blue DemonRAT controlled states with the toughest gun control laws.

            Have a nice day!

            “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

          • Lynda Groom

            Good lord man, do you really believe that gun violence is a result of what party controls the state government? Demographics, population and host of other factors are far more important than political office holders. Temporary control has nothing to do with gun violence. If that was case the numbers would change after each election. Reality is not a word should try it once in while.

    • Thanks for buying my product (the Obama TP), you would not believe my profit-margin on this stuff. 😉
      OH, btw, good luck standing up to that tyrannical US Government with your peashooters — AK-47s and Bushmasters will do little good against Abrams tanks, missiles, rocket grenades, and bigger weaponry — what a laugh. Only the people’s voice and actions of the masses will prevent tyranny — get educated, get active, and vote!!!

      • ObozoMustGo

        Come on, Mike, I know you’re full of sheet now. Leftist freaks don’t believe in “profit margins” at all. You’ve given yourself away. You need to wipe yourself with some of that Obozo TP.
        You may be right about being out-armed. This is why there should be NO RESTRICTIONS on the right to keep and bear arms. But then again, there are at least 100 MILLION registered hunters, and who knows how many more that are armend that dont hunt, in America. And many of them are those very same guys that drive those tanks and fire those missiles. That’s a fairly large militia. I don’t think we have anything to worry about in the near future, but certianly the first steps toward tyranny ALWAYS includes the slow, seemingly little tiny steps toward disarming the population.

        Have a nice day!

        “The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.” – H.L. Mencken

        • Show from the Constitution itself where it gives any citizen who is not a part of the military any right to keep and bear arms, Bozo. Don’t present silly, childish posters that only reveal your primary idiocy. Let’s have a concrete discussion based on the law itself, The United States Constitution. I’ll be waiting.

          • slobis

            Don’t hold your breath…

          • slobis, you’re right. Republicunts and neo-Confederates have an allergy to facts and reality.

    • “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia and for governing such pat of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the States, respectively, the appointment of the officers and the authority and the suthority of training the militia according to the discipline proscribed by Congress.”
      United States Constitution Article 1, Section 8, Subsection 16.
      “A well regulated militia, being neccessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
      This is the topic of national debate, and it is from the law of the Constitution that we all live under. Show from the law where it says that the citizen who is not a part of the military has the right to bear arms.

      • idamag

        There were probably not as many nuts then as now. The minute men had arms and were expected to defend the colonies on a moment’s notice. I have a feeling that if invaders were to breach our borders, the gun nuts would not be out there with their beloved guns.

        • idamag, you’re exactly right. One thing Porter, LaPierre, Beck, and the rest of these low-life will do is cause people to look at the Constitution for what it says and no one will be able to possess, keep, or bear arms, not even a pop-gun. You’re right, when the nation needed citizens be be on alert for invasions from the British, nearly everyone in the thirteen colonies was conscripted in the army. In the expansion of America, nearly everyone possessed arms for personal protection because the country was basically lawless. In thoise times, every family owned a rifle to hunt for game in order to eat. That was then. This is now, the 21st Century. Seriously, those little redneck, white supremacist militias calling themselves patriots, they don’t realize that under the Constitution, they are violating the law. They are not authorized by the goverment, the military, or the state to operate a militia, and can be arrested and disbanded at an instant by Homeland Security. I tell you, just a little knowledge of the law can resolve a lot of the b.s. we’re hearing from these terrorists.

  • stcroixcarp

    The NRA is a fascist terrorist organization that advocates treason.

    • cats33

      Leave our second Amendment alone, terrorist!!

  • Why would anyone keep a gun safe in a child’s bedroom? That is just one step above leaving a loaded “child’s rifle” standing in a corner of a room.

    A 3 year old life member of the NRA? I will bet what would happen if you fired a weapon around a 3 year old child. The child will start crying. The only thing stupider would be trying to have a 3 year old child fire a weapon. The child cannot hold a pen, let alone a gun. But I’ll bet the “grandfather” cannot wait to get the kid on the range to start shooting.

    • tdm3624

      I agree 3 years old is a bit young to be shooting, but I do think it is important to teach young people how to safely use firearms. Guns are all over the U.S. and chances are they will encounter one sooner or later. They should be knowledgeable and comfortable in making a good decision.

      • No argument from me on the need to teach firearm safety. I spent 16 years in the military. When I was in the National Guard we went well beyond anything civilians do on safety. When you came off the firing range 4 different people checked to make sure each weapon was unloaded and safe.

        • plc97477

          That is a great idea. Let’s allow people to have all the guns they want of any caliber if they hire 4 people to check their guns to make sure they are safe every time they are used.

    • Child Protection Service should get involved in that also. That’s endangering minors. One reason uneducated, poor, and deprived people are so violent is because all their lives violence has been imposed upon them as discipline for the most minor thing. When they were in school, teachers and class mates ridiculed them and demeaned them as dumb and retarded. When they got older, their only response to a problem is violence, and they find that it is so easy to get the quickest result from violence. Thinking is hard to them, so they resort to violence. Teaching a kid to use a fire arm and the instant result that would come from using it is the same thing. Once that trigger is pulled, the idea of thinking around a problem goes out of the window. Thinking their way through a sutuation would only give them a headache. Like the Beattles once sang: “Happiness is a warm gun!”

      • neeceoooo

        A lot of them grew up being smacked around by dad and then they take the violence out into the street and take that out on someone smaller than them. It does become a vicious circle but at some point, the circle has to be broken to get through this.

      • idamag

        I am sure the Beatles were using a metaphor. I listened to the child’ family on television. It was easy to see why it happened.

  • David Turrentine

    You cannot change idiots into normal people easily.

  • oldtack

    I urge everyone to read the history of the rise of the Third Reich. Not the book but the actual history from 1920 through 1933 when Hitler finally rose to full power. Then read the chronology of the Reich from 1933 to 1940. What you will see is the birth and emergence of The TEA PARTY. If this evil is not suppressed by WE THE SANE ONES then what we have to look forward to in the next decade is Germany and occupied Europe from 1938 to 1945. Contrary to common belief, not all of the holocaust victims were Jews. Many thousands that died and went to the ovens were average citizens that dared to speak out against the Nazi Party.

    If we do not rise up, risk the attacks, and speak out against this evil entity called the Tea Party and do it now they will take over every aspect of government throughout this country then – “we the people” will walk lock-step or face the consequences. Just like the citizens of Germany.

    These people are a vital and mortal danger to our way of life.

    • As a historian, I completely agree. There is a level of evil in the behavior of these extremists that is very similar to the rise of the NAZIS party, which Hitler, himself, described as “a Christian movement”.

      Add to their extreme views, the fact that they have a very effective propaganda machine (identical in configuration to Goebbels’ propaganda machine) feeding the paranoia of the unintelligent sheeple that are currently rallying to the GOP/tea party/NRA, and you have the perfect storm for a rise of a fascist regime through either treasonous overthrow of our constitution or an attempt at treasonous overthrow of the nation…….and the crazies in the NRA are right up front, carrying the banner and banging the drums of war.

      Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and the outcome is never good.

    • idamag

      Old Tack, Because I could not understand how an entire country could follow a mad man, I have studied Nazi Germany extensively. I understood Hitler. We have psychopaths born every day. I could not understand the country. I have to agree with you.
      Building suspiciousness of the government was the first step. Building fears and playing on them is something else the Nazis used. Creating anger and fanning the flames is also a tactic they used.
      We are the government. It is ours. It is supposed to represent us. If there are problems it is up to us to fix them, not turn against the government. Instead of following those who would lead us into the destruction of our Democracy, start defending it and fixing it.

      • neeceoooo

        Very well said, idamag.

    • Mulligatonney

      …If your comments about the “evil Tea Party” were really true – which they are not – then you liberals have yourselves to thank for such an entity rising to prominence, as well as the NRA, due to your statist-based philosophy and disregard for the Constitution and founding principles.

      The Tea Party came into being simply because of the rising national debt and taxes, the government’s refusal to curb gluttonous spending and taxing and its expanding reach into the lives of the citizens who employ it. It is their right to do so.

      The NRA came into being simply because you liberals are too stupid to realize what a disarmed population really means. It is also their right to organize. Since you speak so “knowledgeably” about the Third Reich, you must already know that one of the first things it did was to disarm its population in order to consolidate power. That is the very thing the 2nd Amendment guards against and by far the biggest priority of the NRA.

      Neither organization as a whole has an interest in anything but seeing that the Constitution and founding principles are upheld. There are always fringe elements, but no more than the left. The so-called “liberals” in power now seem to have more of an interest in uprooting the Constitution.
      Too far to the right – Facism and Hitler
      Too far to the left – Communism, Stalin, Mao
      And an armed citizenry stands in the way of both of those.
      So – if you want to be a pussy and disarm yourself, you are free to do it. Just don’t call those of us that want to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights evil.
      And don’t call yourself “we the sane ones” either, because the kind of thinking you put forward is anything but sane.
      If your “occupied Europe” scenario occurs, it will happen through the weakening of the Constitution and the efforts of what the present communist in the White House and his henchmen are doing right now.

      • muligantoney, you’re another noe-Confederate Tea Bag who like to spout a lot of useless platitudes and dumb assed analogies to show a silly point. Show from the Constitution itself where there is a right for any citizen who is not part of the military or is authorized by the military to possess, keep, and bear arms. Show it from the document you love to quote from and greatly misinterpret. No bullshit namecalling or quoting from dead men. i’d like for you to show it credibily and sensibly.

        • Mulligatonney

          That IS the argument you liberals try to make, isn’t it?

          You can read the 2nd Amendment yourself – you have to read the Federalist Papers and Articles of Confederation as well as many of the personal writings of our founders to educate yourself on the intent behind the writing.

          It’s not up to me to educate you – most of you liberals refuse to understand what it says, anyway… even if there are those among you that can actually read.
          The founders had a consensus on governments in general – that they were a “necessary evil” and that the people must always have the power to resist….

          Most of you so-called “progressives” are simply garden variety entitle-ists, tax parasites, “intellectual elitists” (not that you are actually intellectual, but you sure do think you are) and are indifferent to which teat you suck off of – but when the government really begins to exercise its power, it can control the size of the soft drink you have, how many children you have, what kind of car you can own. It can seize your property for any of a hundred reasons…
          That is the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

          • metrognome3830

            No one will ever mistake you for an “intellectual” Mulligatonney. If brains were dynamite, you wouldn’t have enough to blow your nose. Of course, I suppose it’s possible things are like that on your planet.

          • Mulligatonney

            This is more of that “civil discourse” you speak of, I imagine….

          • If you want to roast a weenie, put it on a stick. Don’t stick your hand in the fire if you do not want to get burned. More simply: As you sow, so shall you reap!

          • No. Don’t resort to namecalling now. Be reasonable if you can. We don’t live under The Federalist Papers or The Articles of Confederation. We live under the United States Constitution. You love to quote from the 2nd Amendment, let’s examine it:
            A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being neccessary to the security of a free State, the rights of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
            The amendment begins with a WELL REGULATED MILITIA, and is contexted by THE PEOPLE. It is referring to the people in the well regulated militia, not citizens. The militia has to be under the training, organization, and authority of the military as provided by the of the time as according to Article 1,8:16.:
            Show where it is referring to citizens, Joe Blow, Joe Sixpac, Joe Citizen? It is referring to those under the authority, discipline, and training of the military. Article 1, 6:16 and the 2nd Amendment which addresses it is clear and unrefutable.

          • Mulligatonney

            At least you are right about one thing – that IS the argument.
            “The People” is used in the same context it is used throughout the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
            And they are the citizens of the United States.

          • No. “The People” in the 2nd Amendment is the “Them” in Article 1,8:16. Stop beating around the bush and read the 2nd Amendment and the Artice that it addresses. We can go through the Constitution and read “the people” from the Declaration of Independence to the 29th Amendment. But we are talking about the 2nd Amendment and its companion legislation, Article 1, 8:16. Those are the two preambles in the Constitution that directly addresses arms and who should have them. They are talking about trained and regulated militias. From the document, regular citizens should not possess, keep, or bear arms. I’m going straight from the law on this and only the law that deals with it in the Constitution. Only trained and disciplined militias under the discipline, authority, and authorization of Congress shall keep and bear arms, not citizens. Your ability to keep and bear arms are allowed by your government and by Congress for personal and family protection and for game. But now, there are supermarkets at your convienience and there’s no need for hunting game. So, its a sport where you would need a license and permits to hunt. A fire arm for personal protection is a given. We’re allowed that. But, military styled, mass killing machine are military weapons and should be kept there. those little redneck, white supremacist militias are unlawful organizations because they are not under the authority, discipline, or authorization by Congress. That makes them illegal. That is in the Constitution, Article 1, 8:16 and the 2nd Amendment. Do you refute your Constitution, the law we all live under?

          • neeceoooo

            Thank you so much for your well thought through response. What we need are more people like you

          • 😉

          • All of the evidence you cite does not support you. Only in your mind, does it support you. What the Founders really had to say in the Federalist Papers, etc., is encapsulated in the Constitution. That includes the Second Amendment. . . Period!

          • Mulligatonney

            So – what you are saying is that the word “People” in the Declaration of Independence and “People” in the Constitution are being used in a different context?

            Why would you think that the word “people” would have “special meaning” only in the context of the 2nd Amendment

            Now who is the ignoramus?

          • If you had read the Federalist Papers you would know that our Founders NEVER intended for us to have a standing military. Only a modest Navy to protect the sea lanes they felt were so important for trade. They did not want a military that held a sword over the civil government to force us into foreign wars. As well, they did not want to pay an exorbitant price to maintain a military force. We are far, far too influenced by military affairs these days and we have disregarded the wisdom that our Founders handed down to us.

          • Mulligatonney

            So, what’s your point?

            What you say is true…

            Again, you make my point for limited government.

          • jsjca

            Does anyone notice that Amendment II is the only amendment
            that has the word “regulated” in it?

          • idamag

            POS, if you would have taken the time to really study history,not bits and pieced, you might know something.I hate political parties as they are dividing and destroying our democracy. And you are one of the worst offenders. All of the amendments had arguments for and against. That is what made our democracy great. There were more than one side to everything. However the reason for our second amendment is not what you said. England had not let the colonies have an army because they were afraid there might be uprisings. This promoted the Minute Men who took up whatever arms they had and defended the colonies. Men were encouraged to have arms for that reason. Your paranoid rantings are ridiculous. If the founding fathers could have foreseen what is happening today, I am sure they would have put more safeguards in the second amendment.

          • Mulligatonney

            Another clever little acronym from the “tolerance-based” philosophy – or so you socialists love to call yourself.
            Except that you are not tolerant. You are far less tolerant than those you demean.
            Are you upset because I educated you on the fact that Nazis did confiscate guns?
            Your last statement is pure bullshit. That is exactly why the founders worded it so. Because they knew that there would be people like you who came along and tried to change the meaning of their words.
            Once again, our founders considered all governments potentially evil because of their own excellent knowledge of history. They even directly called governments a “necessary evil”…
            You have the temerity to call someone else ignorant, in the absence of any knowledge or understanding of your own. That’s okay – I understand that you are ignorant, and there are many people like you who have fallen prey to the propanda of modern liberalism. I get it. It sounds good – like what you want to hear.
            But – unfortunately, reality is quite different that the uptopia you long for. Everywhere in an evil world, there are people trying to kill you and take your shit. Evil men. These worst of this type of man aspires to political power.
            This was what the founders knew that you could not seem to grasp. They didn’t care about Republicans or Democrats nearly as much as they cared about the fledgling Republic, and took great measures to keep these evil politicians too much control over the people.
            They now have too much control over the people.
            And the 2nd Amendment is in their sights.
            But some clever little girl who knows how to use the first letter of each word in her little “slur-du-jour” ammo box to form an acronym is certainly someone who should be listened to seriously and respected when she is calling the same names she pretends to hold in such contempt when others say them.
            Call yourself whatever you want – you are certainly not liberal, progressive, or tolerant.
            That leaves socialist or communist.
            But I think you are just stupid.

      • oldtack

        Hey SANE ONES – we have a true bona fide TEA PARTY nut case among us. Now Mr Mulliganitooney – Tell me all about the Constitution – all facets – all amendments. Do you know them all and do you know what happened to bring about these amendments?

        Or- are you like a mindless one that sits with mouth agape drinking in everything that spews forth from the Mass Media talking heads without ever putting your on brain to use?

        This group is working the population just like Hans Goebbels did – pick a “cause” embellish that cause with lies and half-truths. Keep repeating the lies until the public is stirred into a feeding frenzy of fear until they feed off of any thing else that stokes the fear.

        True to your TP tactics you did not engage in civil discourse. You went on the attack calling me everything – even a PUSSY? But, really, what else could I expect from someone of your “intellect”?

        As for being a pussy etc. Contrary to your misguided belief – I do own weapons and Uncle Sam taught me well in proper usage. If you have ever served your Country you know what proper usage means – if not – then guess.

        My advice to you is -turn off your TV and your radio. Check the internet for breaking news – then peruse that news yourself to get the truth. Decide for yourself rather than listening to the millionaire talking heads of mass media feed you their interpretation of the news. And – read and research for yourself.

        • Mulligatonney

          Yes – I do know the Constitution…
          Not as well as some – better than most.
          You should read some of your own posts, and those of your fellow “moderates” and “liberals”… no language or “civil discourse” to be proud of there.

          …and what makes you think I have a television?

          I am glad you own weapons – what would you do if the government ever came to confiscate them, like they did in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina? Or In Britain? Or Australia? Or Canada?

          Also, I think you might mean – Paul Joseph Goebbels, who was the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. Hans may have been a brother…

          …and what makes you think Internet propaganda machines like the “National Memo” aren’t about the same business as Goebbels?

          The National Memo lines up on the pretty far left side of every issue in the news today. What makes them and online rags like them truth-tellers? Because what they say fits in with what you and your fellow liberals have been brainwashed to think?
          Like I’ve said said before – what I read on this site isn’t much more than garden-variety socialism, marxism and communism, philosophies which we will never know whether they work in their pure form, because history shows they have always been hijacked by ambitious, corrupt men – just as those same types of men have attempted with every other form of government in the history of the world…
          Our founders knew that, and created a government that they considered a “necessary evil” (see Federalist 51). They thought ALL governments were inherently that way, not because of the soundness of their philosophy necessarily, but because of the evil nature of the men who held the power.
          That is the lesson of history.
          If you bore arms for the United States and own weapons for yourself, it is illogical that you do not understand the need to keep the government as far away from them as possible.

          • metrognome3830

            I have a question for you. What part of the gun control law you are lathered up about, calls for taking our guns away? It does mention mentally unstable people. Is that what you’re worried about?

          • Mulligatonney

            Any of it…
            The danger, of course, begins with the registration of the law-abiding citizens.
            Nuts and criminals should be identified and registered.
            Not those people who legally own guns.
            Historically, seizing guns always begins with identifying ALL of the people who have them.

          • Sand_Cat

            When di the feds come looking for guns after Katrina, please? What is your source?

          • holyreality

            Sorry to say, this did happen there are youtube posts and many other reliable sources available in a google search.

          • idamag

            Your reply fits in with the “they say…” people. U-tube does not count because anyone can say anything on U-tube. What you do to be credible is to find the proof, give us the site and we can check it out. Remember you can also back up anything on the internet. That is why you use only reliable sites.

          • holyreality

            I distinctly remember many news stories and youtube clips of gun confiscation to residents from National Guard troopers.

            I’m too lazy to find obvious facts for the curious.

          • I was in katrina. I stayed in my flooded home for two weeks. I also had my gun, and was engaged in a loud cussing argument with the National Guards who were carrying AR-15s, M-4s, M-16s, forty-five automatic and 9mm pistols. Had I produced my weapon, it would have changed the whole scenario, but I didn’t. I kept it close but never revealed unless i had to use it. The people who had their guns taken away were idiots who tried to practice their 2nd Amendment rights to bear arms, walking on the street with exposed rifles, shot guns, and pistols, and got them took from them by the police and National Guards. Any who resisted were beaten and arrested. It was martial law and we all knew it, but a lot of idiots behaved as if they didn’t know what it meant. Bearing arms is a privilege, not a right, and we citizens should all respect that.

          • idamag

            And, there was no way the police and National Guard could know what those gun packing people were up to with those guns.

          • holyreality

            Registration was explicitly banned in the failed bill.
            No matter what we project on the “founding fathers” and possible mind reading from cherry picked quotes, NONE OF THEM would be in favor of loser nutcases having easy access to 30 round semi auto rifles to slaughter the local schools/theaters/churches.
            Second Amendment zealotry defends these “rights” with armchair history and paranoid regurgitation of wrong points.

          • Barbara Morgan

            There is already a so called registry of who owns guns, it is called membership in the NRA and other gun organizations. All it takes is a warrant to get the membership lists of these organizations and bingo the government can have your name address and other personal information you put down when you because a member of one of these groups.

          • metrognome3830

            You can only speak to the history of other countries. It is not part of the history of the United States. Being vigilant is one thing. Being an alarmist is quite another.

          • Mulligatonney

            I completely agree.
            Vigilance vs. Alarmism…
            That is why I oppose gun registration – vigilance is the key word.
            Protection of my right as outlined in the 2nd Amendment.
            Registry leads to confiscation historically. Not always, but putting that kind of power into the hands of any government is foolish, in my opinion.

          • Historically, who has identified gun owners and seized guns?
            Why is registration dangerous?
            AND why when we suggest that “Nuts and criminals should be identified and registered” you are always against that too?

          • Mulligatonney

            I am not against keeping guns away from criminals and the insane.
            I have already stated my position on that subject.

          • idamag

            Some of your rantings makes me wonder if you should have a gun.

          • plc97477

            But you can not tell us how to go about doing that.

          • Mulligatonney

            Don’t be stupid…

            There are many ways to do that without infringing on the rights of legal gun owners.

          • idamag

            I can see that.

          • oldtack

            I stand corrected on Goebbels (1897-1945) I have no inkling as to where I came up with Hans.

            Internet – I don’t go there to read someone else’s ideas on news events. I use internet to find what’s happening in other parts of the world that is of interest in Asia, Africa, Europe, Latin America, Canada, wherever.

            I never read these articles on the forum nor do I bother to read articles on any conservative forum. I surf the comments to get the feel of the people. I then sometime proffer my thoughts pro or negative.

            You mentioned Canada in you countries that had gun control. If you checked you would probably find that Canadians have more guns than we do.

            I support the intent of the second amendment. I am a gun owner and I don’t want anyone or any government interference with my right of gun ownership. However, I do support more background checks and tighter laws concerning purchase of guns.

            I read the recently defeated proposal and I saw nothing about confiscation of private weapons.

            This country has operated in a fear mode since 9/11 and there are those that like to feed that fear factor. Just like Goebbels propaganda machine.That’s what’s happening with the gun issue with the flames fanned by NRA and radicals on both sides of the aisle. People in a fear mode can be easily led.

          • Mulligatonney

            I cannot find much to disagree with in your last post, sir… I actually agree that politicians routinely use fear to recruit disciples. But – ignorance is the worst enemy of a population – those who would rather do almost anything but read from a wide variety of sources from both sides. That is exactly why I am here.

            My problem is not with how many guns the Canadians have – its how easy it would be to confiscate them if their government chose.

            That is my concern with ANY government – and that is why I oppose government, especially one with such special freedoms as the United States, imposing registration upon legal gun owners who have committed no crime and are at the very least, known to not be insane….

            It is the criminals and the nuts who must be controlled, not the law-abiding citizen.

          • What you really said is very close to sedition. At best you are an anarchist with a decidedly paranoid disposition. Sorry, “paranoid” is not a good thing when people are toting guns.

          • Mulligatonney

            Only a pussy statist like yourself would wet himself every time someone disagreed with you on a subject like disarming the American population.

            You accuse yourself simply by bringing up the word. I never mentioned “paranoid”. What are you so paranoid about?

            How many legal gun owners ever commit a crime with their weapons, no matter what kind they own?

            You should be paranoid about the way Hollywood brings out all the potential serial killers.

          • idamag

            And Canada has less guns deaths than we do.

          • OK, you got a name right. Your posts are still utter nonsense. Oldtack, excepting a few small blemishes, is still correct. Fully and totally. And, again, your posts are still utter nonsense, plus your grammar is bad and your spellling is far from perfect. What is my point? Well, admit to yourself that correcting others small faults is not an argument and makes you look like a fool. Then, you will have your answer.

          • Mulligatonney

            And, of course, the liberal gets to judge sensical vs. nonsensical. Oh, and grammar and spelling as well. At least on this website you do, apparently.

            What’s your point? You have no point. You made the statement that “correcting others’ (sorry, you forgot the apostrophe in your post, you stupid bastard…) small faults is not an argument and makes you look like a fool” even as you embark upon a futile attempt to correct my small faults…

            One can conclude then, by your own words – that you are a fool.

            And still no one should have the right to tell me what means I choose to defend myself with. Not even the intelligent ones.

            But especially not the fools.

            Like you…

          • idamag

            If you are so afraid of the government (many of us are not) why don’t you go someplace where you have a government you can trust.

          • Mulligatonney

            That is the entire point, you unmitigated – what was it you stated so eloquently – POS?
            There IS no government that can be trusted.
            See Federalist 51.
            You stupid bastard….

        • Barbara Morgan

          Oldtac, Mulligatonney when there are decisions going on about the 2nd amendmend. Other wise you never see that name. A paid poster for the NRA? Also he likes to call others names

          • You have a very valid and very, very scary point. Their paid stooges are trolling almost every group and blog these days. Ever notice that one persistent, must have the last word, troll that only desires to bombard a group until everyone gives up in frustration. (Of course, Mulli might just be an anal retentive, dim-witted, sociopath.) The NRA, and the right-wing, does not care if their operatives really believe their spiel. (They prefer if they did.) You just have to be willing to sell your soul for a dollar.

          • idamag

            Not just NRA nuts, but there are also some hate groups represented on these boards.

          • plc97477

            Reading some of those idiots posts makes it easy to understand why they don’t want background checks. I doubt many could pass one.

        • idamag

          When I used the acronym POS, it means “proud of stupid,”

      • sfreeman

        Please list the freedoms that you are losing and the parts of the constitution that are being weakened. Specific parts. And, is Roe v Wade being weakened? And, is the gov’t coming for your guns? I’m just trying to understand what you specifically mean. Maybe you’re right. But when you speak in generalities, I have no clue what you’re referring to. I keep hearing from, “We’re losing our freedoms.” Which freedoms? I would like to know which freedoms so that I know what to protest.

      • jsjca

        Historical Note: Gun proponents are fond of linking Hitler and the Nazis to gun control. This misinformation has a powerful impact because no one wants to be compared to Hitler. The historical reality is: 1) at the end of WWI, the victors, through the Treaty of Versailles, greatly restricted arms in Germany; 2) the German government after WW I was the Weimar Republic, a representative democracy. This government required gun registration, licenses, and restricted access to
        guns. 3) When the Nazis took over the government they amended gun laws made by their former enemies, the Weimar Republic, and the Nazis enacted new laws making it much easier for citizens to acquire guns.

    • jsjca

      I had the very same response to Hitler and a whole country following him as you did. Thus, I have also read a great deal about
      Nazi Germany. Still unbelievable!

      • oldtack

        Scary isn’t it. More “scary” is the blissful ignorance of the people (both sides) to this threat.

      • Mulligatonney

        Your education of Post WWI Germany doesn’t go far enough, although it’s refreshing to find someone on this website that actually reads books, instead of snippets from the liberal propaganda machine.

        Hitler used the gun registry provided by the Weimar Republic for scores of gun seizures on a pretty massive scale.

        Tell the Jews that there was no gun seizure.

        Adolf Hitler’s use of firearms registration lists to confiscate guns and the execution of their owners teaches a forceful lesson — one that reveals why the American people and Congress have rejected registering honest firearm owners.
        The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)–the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany’s Jews–took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, “Berlin Police Head Announces ‘Disarming’ of Jews,” explaining:

        “The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been “disarmed” with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.”

        …Interesting that besides the Warsaw Rebellion, you don’t read many stories about Jews having shootouts with the Gestapo, SS or military when they came to take them away to “work camps”, yes? They knew they were coming to take them away to be murdered. So – why didn’t they fight back?

        Answer: They had been disarmed.

        I wonder what the six million would say about gun registration and eventual gun confiscation, and ultimately – their murder? I for one, would at the very least, have wanted to “go down fighting”…

        • idamag

          Hey, IAP, no one says they are going to confiscate your guns. BTW, most Jewish people had no guns to begin with. Yes their guns were taken by the tea party, oops, I meant Nazi party.

          • Mulligatonney

            About what I expected from you liberal dishrags…
            1. I express an opinion.
            2. You begin arguing with unsubstantiated gum-flapping.
            3. I give you the facts.
            4. You deny the facts and make up some “facts” of your own.
            5. You begin name-calling, deflecting and making “clever little inuendos….
            6. You fall to your knees and begin to praise OBama for no apparent reason, repeating over and over, “Forward, comrades”… OBama AkBar!”
            And due to brain cell mutation or some equally inexplicable phenomenon, you are able to turn things that make no practical sense into things that seem reasonable to you in your own head based upon propaganda coming from the mouths of the people presently generating over a trillion dollars in annual debt. Then you re-name them into something that sounds much less stupid than what it originally sounded like, even though the concept did not change one bit.
            This is no different than a religion, although there is a real Creator behind most religions, regardless of how poorly people practice their religions.
            The main difference is that you have put men and government up in the top spot instead of God.
            You have made yourselves your god.

  • latebloomingrandma

    What is really disturbing to me, is that many of these speakers claim to be Christians. These are the type of Christians who give Christianity a bad name, like Muslim jihadists give Islam a bad name. What is the difference?

    • cats33

      5 million strong and growing–leave our rights alone!

  • you idiots LOST THE WAR GET OVER IT !!!!

    • May have lost the battle — the war has only just began! Joe Manchin predicts his “compromise” bill will pass by August — and the NRA would do well to endorse it, as they will like the alternative much less. Wait until after the next elections . . .

      • Pi_Boson

        Manchin’s bill is a pro-gun bill if you read the details. Don’t get suckered into the exceptions, exclusions, and end-around’s he is offering.

  • JDavidS

    Rick Perry and Ted Nugent. A perfect pairing. Perry- a first rate asshole and Nugent a first class gutless asshole and third rate “musician”. Now,toss in the rest of the lunatics…Beck, LaPierre et al and you have the perfect storm of idiocy.

    • idamag

      Actually, I had thought Perry was just not bright. He reminded me of someone else who came from Texas. All the rest of the people, mentioned, are certifiable.

      • Unlike “W,” Perry has got a real mean streak.

    • Lynda Groom

      Fact is if the government really wanted to take your guns they could easily do so. These fake patriots, like Nugent, would soil their briefs at the first sign of a platoon of Marines coming up the front lawn. So would all of the other hard core ‘from my cold dead hands’ idiots who continue to post such brave comments. The government is not coming after your guns, your Bible or your first born. It is time for these folks to rejoin the world of reason and reality.

      • holyreality

        Slight correction, Posse Comitatus prevents military force on American soil.

        But SWAT teams gung ho in their roid rage certainly fills that role.

      • plc97477

        Nugent soiled his briefs for a lot less than that.

      • you are so right.

      • JDavidS

        Yes. I absolutely detest that gutless son-of-a-bitch Nugent. He’s a loud-mouthed hero when he’s shooting stationary targets or something that can’t shoot back at him. But when ‘Nam was mentioned he shit his pants to avoid his responsibility and now brags about it. Spineless, yellow piece of slug-shit.

        • idamag

          And you are being kind to him.

  • Pi_Boson

    Individuals that have weapon for “personal protection” are generally manifesting low-esteem behavior and have very weak personality disorder. They are generally distrusting and untrustworthy individuals. Clinical sociologists and psychologists point to Dick Cheney as a textbook example.

    • oldtack

      I agree with your assessment except for one thing. In addition to all of their “problems” they are also DANGEROUS. They have to be suppressed.

    • leadvillexp

      Tell that to a women who has been raped because the police couldn’t get there in time or the doctor that lost his family to murders while he watched. You need to learn and train and defend yourself. No one else will, including the police. They do not protect individuals only society as a whole. I depend on myself for my life and living. Many people die because they are not prepared or aware of their surroundings. This includes both the city and the country. Weapons are just another tool. Ask yourself would you be willing to pull the trigger if attacked. If the answer is no than you should not have a weapon. I perfer to live and let the attacker die.

      • Sand_Cat

        Well, at least women don’t have to worry about pregnancy resulting from that rape (or “legitimate” rape, anyway), according to the tea party. I’m sure that’s a great consolation.

        • old_blu

          Hahaha, yeah they have that special trap door that prevents it right? Hello Sand Cat.

        • leadvillexp

          I am a Republican and an NRA Life member. I also have no use for the Tea Party. You fix a Party from within not from without. I stand by what I said and today the AP put out an article about the three kidnaped girls in Cleveland. The Police had three calls, as far back as 2004 about problems there and failed to even check out the inside of the house. They did not take the neighbors calls seriously. While guns most likly would not have helped these victims it shows the point that you can not depend on the authorities for help. You have to take care of yourself. As for the remark about not getting pregnant by legitimate rape, an idiot said it and it should not even be repeated.

          • plc97477

            Maybe idiots also shouldn’t be voted for.

      • If the women in your scenarios fail to kill or disable their assailant, what do you think the odds are they will survive the attack? In few cases of a surprise attack do the victims have a chance to pull a weapon. Especially, not with the intended effect. Plus there is that bonus to the criminal of getting another free gun. The point is simple, lead-head. Your argument makes no sense to informed or experienced people that care about the world. You only make sense to the nuts that think like you do and worship their guns as gods.

    • holyreality

      I must protest your broadbrush projection upon those who choose to own for their personal protection.

      Like abortion, I’m strictly prochoice on this. There is a big wide world out there beyond what you imagine is possible. You cannot possibly understand another person’s reasons in deciding what they are doing.

      Your “generally distrusting and untrustworthy” application could apply directly to yourself, do you trust a sane citizen who carries with a CCW? Why not?

      I guarantee you that a CCW permit holder is more trustworthy than an average person who chooses not to carry.

      • Barbara Morgan

        Wrong. There are cases everyday that do not make the headlines where legal gunowners have shot unarmed people because they parked to close to their van(Tennessee), played their music to loud(Florida) and have killed their whole family(Vermont) because they had a gun close at hand.

        • holyreality

          Sources please? Every day?
          The CCW permit process varies state to state, a uniform or even a national permit would filter out the yahoos. Sober civic minded people pass the class, tough guy wannabes no.

        • idamag

          And the high school boy who was on a scavenger hunt and was shot in a driveway.

      • plc97477

        That is a guarantee you can not hope to offer. There is no way you can guarantee that.

        • holyreality

          Fair enough
          As far as low esteem behavior goes, I’ trust someone who completed the permit process over armchair psychologists smearing a lot of people responsible enough to decide to carry legally.

          Ted Nugent, and Dick Cheney are not necessarily members of this group.

  • Many children die each year from finding and playing with guns in their homes. Many find guns in their homes and bring them to school to show them off and another conscientious kid reports them. Many more find them in their homes and keep them where they are until they are bullied or picked on and retrieve it to shoot other kids. It seems to me that Child Protective Authorities should identify and question these practices of the NRA’s introducing children to the use of firearms. It is dangerous and irresponsible. It disrupts the safety and sanctity of the home.

    • Mulligatonney

      …and many more by far die in bicycle accidents, bathtub drowning and choking…

      …and late-term abortions. And outright murder by post birth “medical procedures”…

      Just because you choose to assign another name to murder does not make it any less so. That is the trademark of a so-called liberal. Their tendency to give something a different name so that it appears plausible and worthy.

      Homosexuals prefer to be called “gay”…
      Abortion or baby-killing becomes a “right to choose” or a “reproductive right”
      Communists/socialists call themselves “liberal” or “progressive”
      A handout becomes an “entitlement”
      Murder by terrorist = “tragedy”…
      Murder by White American = “gun violence”

      All terms deliberately chosen to make you stupid bastards feel better about the blanket of deception that you are allowing to be pulled over your eyes, inch by inch.

      It is an American citizen’s right to defend himself, his family and property.

      From anyone. Or anything.

      • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

        War is Murder also, but I don’t see that stopping Republican Senators, Faux News, Republican Talking Heads and the NRA from advocating for war. Abortion is protected by our law of the land – get over it. Women have a right to decide if they want to bear a child. If you are so against abortion than why not advocate for all boys 11 and over get vasectomies until they get married and than have it reversed.

      • oldtack

        There you go again. Now I have gone from being a PUSSY to being a STUPID BASTARD..

        Your linguistic elegance. Your choice of words and your dazzling
        brilliance (lack of) is just breath taking.

        • Lynda Groom

          Indeed the level of ignorance is truly astounding. Where do these folks get their education and information?

      • The more CRAP I read from the LUNATICS on the extreme Right, the more LIBERAL I become.

        I know it may be difficult to discern the difference from someone getting killed in a bicycle accident and someone else being gunned down in cold blood, but there is a difference.

        In the case of the bicyclist dying in an accident, the cause of death was accidental.

        In the case of children being slaughtered by some whack job with more guns and ammo than guts and brains, the cause of death was the use of a machine designed to do one thing only.


        The weapons of choice for these GUTLESS COWARDS are Semi-automatic rifles and hand guns. MAINLY BECAUSE FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN.

        These WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, combined with high capacity magazines and hundreds of rounds of ammo, are extremely efficient at doing their job. KILLING AND MAIMING INDISCRIMINATELY, ANY LIVING BEING IN THE LINE OF FIRE.

        My grandchildren’s lives and well being mean more to me than your SICK, PERVERTED INTERPRETATION of the 2nd amendment.

        By the way, I was taught to use a rifle by a gentleman in his 60’s or 70’s when I was a teenager. THANK GOD HE IS NO LONGER ALIVE TO SEE WHAT HIS BELOVED NRA HAS BECOME.


        • Mulligatonney

          You are not a liberal – the word liberal suggests tolerance – you’re just a pussy that trusts the State more than he trusts anything else… and for no reason – the State is responsible for more murders throughout history than war itself.

          You want someone else to do your work for you – to keep you safe, to make you feel secure… But what will you do when three gunmen come a-knockin’ at your door? It happens all the time. What are you going to do? Call the police? Sorry – TOO LATE! – you’re dead, along with your family and anyone else in the house that they came to plunder. You can dial 911 all you want – the police will come to take blood and DNA samples to try to find out who killed you and your family.

          Now – if you had had an AR15 with a 30-round clip… Now we’re talking – survival for you and a very bad day for the gunmen.

          You spoke the truth about one thing – guns are made to kill. That is why governments use them to project power and to implement power – against their own people, countless times throughout history. Millions of their own people. Hundreds of millions of their own people.

          That is why under this present administration, more federal troops are training for urban warfare and domestic insurgence than any time before in our history, and buying up ammo at an unprecedented rate. Not for use against Al Quaeda, but for use against its own population.

          So – your solution to a heavily-armed gunman visiting destruction upon a group of unarmed, innocent people? Completely remove every citizen’s ability to defend himself against just such people. But let us not inconvenience the criminal by not allowing HIM an automatic weapon.

          You respond to the sensationalism of a heinous crime just like our enemies predict you will. Like a sniveling, trembling, little pussy, calling for an end to guns between sobs of outrage and terror.

          Tell me the total number of victims for all the mass murders committed with so-called “assault weapons” in America in the last 50 years. Then tell me the number total number of murders by guns during the same period of time. Then tell me the number of those who were legal gun owners. The number is far, far less than one percent. Does that tell you anything, you ignorant, sniveling little bastard?

          All somebody has to do is scare you and you go running to the government to “do something about” the murders so you can feel more secure and better about wetting yourself every time you get scared.

          Liberal logic – an oxymoron at its very best…

          • Maybe the lives of your children and grandchildren mean less to you than the rights of any lunatic who wants to slaughter a couple dozen children, just because he has enough money to buy all the killing power he wants, but not me.

            And, by the way, I served 8 years during the Vietnam war. I was not a combat soldier, but I scored the highest out of 200 others on the M1, and scored in the highest 1/3rd on the M16.

            Oddly enough, the two times in my life that I had guns pointed at me were after I got out of the service.

            I CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE GUNS. Even thought I was highly qualified on the M1, and was also very good at using the M16.

            Some of the things I saw in Southeast Asia still haunt me to this day. I saw first hand what these killing machines do to people.

            REAL MEN DON’T NEED GUNS TO PROVE THEY ARE MEN. Because, they ARE men.

        • idamag

          I am against political parties, but I voted straight Democrat last election. Why? The scared, anti-government paranoids and the real nuts like Issa and Bachmann.

      • Sand_Cat

        Ooooh, what happended to “civil” discourse?
        Guess you must watch FOX on someone else’s TV. Go ahead and nurture your self-righteous delusions: obviously you’re much too “good” to be on this site.

  • The NRA is continually shooting itself in the foot. That’s sad for responsible gun owners and the majority of their members that have common sense. It may be time to walk away from the NRA. Stand up for America’s children. ‘Walk Away from the NRA.’

  • great convention NRA keep it up .the only ones who don’t like it is a bunch of commie demarcates

  • howa4x

    The way to deal with the NRA is to revoke their tax exempt status since they are using their funds to only showcase republicans and not having any balanced commentary. Even the NAACP invited Romney to speak. Sarah Palin is a fool. She is such a patriot that she didn’t even know why Paul Revere made his ride. When told of the growing obesity epidemic among children she said maybe I should bake more cookies, so you are not dealing with someone who has a grasp on reality. Funny when she was a governor she enforced the law. This whole anti government thing started when Charlton Heston said at their convention in Denver just after the Columbine massacre. “They will have to take my gun out of my cold dead hand” So this anti government stuff has been going on for a while
    Glenn Beck was a bad comic prior to reinventing himself. He used to make fun at how stupid the right wing was. Truthfully I think he still does since they believe his outlandish nonsense.
    I think we should survey all 5 million NRA members and see how many want to start armed insurrection, and is that the only reason they want assault weapons. If so the organization should be added to the terrorist watch list for preaching sedition.

    second amendment OR ANY AMENDMENT !!

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    What do you do when you are faced with a bully? You fight back. If you don’t, the bullies are empowered. Americans want to live in a peaceful society where civilized human beings are productive, prosperous and able to have a future. A gun insures humans have NO future. And the most “ignernt” in this country are the most gun happy…What does that tell you?