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Friday, October 28, 2016




How did the historic 2008 Democratic landslide turn into the historic Republican landslide of 2010?

Younger and minority voters stayed home while seniors became a much larger part of the electorate. As the first baby boomers turned 65 in 2010, seniors voted Republican by a 21-point margin. A clear majority of 58 percent supported the GOP in the midterms, a ten point increase from the presidential election just two years earlier.

Are the nation’s most reliable voters about to switch again?

A new national survey by Democracy Corps find that seniors support Republican candidates by a mere five percent. Only 28 percent approve of House Republicans, down 15 percent when Republicans took over the lower house of Congress in 2011 — with 71 percent disapproving of their performance. Meanwhile, 40 percent approve of House Democrats up three percent in that same time period.

What’s behind this sudden reversal?

Here are five reasons the GOP is losing senior citizens and may have a hard time winning them back.

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  • FredAppell

    Republicans aren’t going to change their rhetoric simply because their losing their older base. The strategy they’re employing isn’t targeted at retiree’s. It’s no accident that the
    Republican senators and House representatives are getting younger, they believe that if they can appear hipper and more in touch with the younger voters that eventually their message will stick therefore making it easier to dissolve the Social Safety Net.

    They know that they have lost the older vote based on the amount of retiree’s that enroll in government programs so they’re banking on the next generation of Americans
    to lose interest in these benefits. All I can say to that is GOOD LUCK! Most of the young people I talk to are definitely in favor of some kind of programs.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Sorry but that’s incorrect. Ryan’s budget attacked SS and Medicare. Something we seniors already paid for when Ryan was still wearing his muddy diapers. He is backed and egged on by a rich boi of the Tea Party persuasion, Eric Cantor who takes HIS marching order from the Koch billionaires.

      What would make anyone older than 55 think that those two billionaires, Charles and David Koch wouldn’t love to get their hands on the trillions in SS and Medicare that’s piling up? What would make anyone thinks these two pigs of wealth aren’t hot to do exactly what the Robber Barons of the 1900s did? Create private trusts that would pay out to global investments using SS and Medicare money seniors built up for decades?

      Wake up and smell the coffee. Billionaires are gambler mentalities. There is NO investment they won’t gamble on with other peoples’ money. That’s how they became billionaires in the first place.

      • DAK27

        And the key word here is “Other people’s money” because you know they won’t spend of dime of theirs in anything the least bit risky. But other people’s? Sure. The rich didn’t earn that money so it is A-OK to gamble with that.

      • FredAppell

        What did I say that was incorrect? I may have left out some details but I stand behind my comment. Ryan and the rest of his ilk are not concerned with the folks already collecting benefits, as I stated before, they are targeting future recipients and that is where the plan to do what you mentioned begins. The scary part Eleanor, is that there are still a minority who are currently collecting that are falling for his b/s, but Ryan and his friends are well aware that most people who are receiving benefits right now are not going to support his plan, that is why I believe they have an eye to the future.

        You told me to wake up and smell the coffee which leads me to believe that you think I support Ryan and the Kochs or anyone else trying to buy our government, I don’t and I am well aware of what they’re trying to do, it is easy to spot their tactics. Time magazine did a piece on this very subject when King George was still POTUS and Time’s assessment was essentially that it’s too late to do anything to SS and Medicare in regards with the current recipients and this is where your comment comes into play, Ryan and his pals are trying to convince future generations that the markets are the best plan for
        future retirees. It is the same trumpet that George Bush was sounding.

        • Mike_L3

          You two are in violent agreement …

          • FredAppell

            I think you’re right :). I’m not really sure if she knew what I was trying to say but it sounded the same to me. I’ll address your other reply to me as well. SS and Medicare have never been popular with the Republican political class but they know that they can’t sell this idea to anyone who is collecting so they think that if they spread fear and uncertainty among the younger workers, the workers will vote their way. Apparently, it hasn’t done the Republicans any good but they stay consistent with their message anyway.

          • Mark Forsyth

            That’s because they are locked into their relationship with the Tparty. In spite of a segment of the gop wishing to dissolve that connection,they have got a tiger by the tail and dare not let go for fear of being eaten by the rabid radical far right.It is a seemingly ‘No Win” situation for them but be ready to see them pull some very questionable and nefarious tricks that are hidden up their sleeves.

          • FredAppell

            Bingo! The Republican party let the genie out of the bottle and now they have become prisoners to the inflexibility of the far right. We’re all paying the price for it too.

          • Mark Forsyth

            That’s for sure.Though it could cause National turmoil I think that the nonsense and tripe that is coming from that quarter should be tolerated if not encouraged as long as it works to widen the developing schism within the party.
            While I recognize the threat that the gop poses in 2014,I do hope those articles that allude to democratic failures in the mid-term elections are mostly bluff and bluster otherwise we could be facing problems even more severe than those we have now.It’s not at all too early to work to get out the vote.

          • FredAppell

            I said that very thing awhile back about the schism in the GOP.
            Sometimes it’s best to let your rivals beat up each other while you stand back and form a strategy. On the other hand, that strategy takes a long time to pull off, and just when we think we have the upper hand, something happens and the entire GOP rallies around one another. What I’m about to say holds true for both parties, they know how to gain victory but they don’t know how to keep and exploit victory.

          • Mark Forsyth

            At this point I think the focus should be strictly on the mid-terms.By now both sides know that voter turnout is low at such times.Republicans are looking to exploit that,Democrats need to prevent it.

          • FredAppell

            Well, sadly midterms don’t energize Americans the way they should. The media coverage and buzz isn’t as great and I think many folks undervalue the importance of the midterm elections. I bet if you did a poll you would find out that millions of people think that the POTUS has more power than the office allows. It doesn’t help when the media says that the POTUS is the most powerful man in the world, that really is a misnomer but it’s one that everyone remembers. I used to tell friends that it is really all about the other branches and the Supreme Court.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I had two uncles who were young men in their 20s during the years leading up to the Crash of 1929. Uncle Ben had $10K he saved up to buy a nice house. Uncle Mickey had only $3K saved for the same purpose. In those days, people paid cash for homes that cost $10K to buy..sounds bizarre, doesn’t it?

            Long story short, the day the market crashed for the second time in 1929, banks slammed their doors shut with both uncles’ life savings in them. Uncle Ben never trusted banks again. For years these two uncles would commiserate over how they had been shafted by their banks. But, millions of Americans lost their life savings this way. When they found out who was at fault, they were incensed. When the big time speculators started jumping out of skyscrapers rather than face lives of poverty when their stocks were worthless, my two uncles, to my shock, said they were “glad these cowards took flying leaps.” According to my uncles, suicide was better than what the mobs of raging angy Americans whose money was stolen from them would have done to them.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I wish those damned arrogant Wall Street bastards that screwed us this last time would try to fly the same way,seeing as there seems to be so little will to jail them.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            The Justice Dept at the moment is having to do a lot of soul searching. When the Supreme Court turned corporations into people, these corporations and the Supreme Court walked into their own mess. Now, the tide of public opinion is that if these corporations are people, they must be held as accountable as other American people. They can be jailed now. When that guy they called the London Whale was investigated for investment fraud, his lawyers tried to say the juries weren’t financially astute enough to render a verdict. When that failed, his lawyer used that tired old “he was told to do it by his corporation” routine. Pigs flew low overhead on that one too. Corporations are people? People go to jail for fraud. Corporation people can too.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I agree with you totally Eleanore.I am grateful for the efforts of Elizabeth Warren and hope she stays the course to good effect and hopefully justice will be done to and for those who need it.
            I wonder though,and maybe you can tell me,whether the Supreme Court has ever rendered a judgement such as they did in Citizens United and then later repealed it without the need of the amendment process like the one that has begun for C.U..I know that there are a growing number of states that support an amendment but wonder if the negative fallout from their ruling would cause the Court to repeal it of their own accord.

          • FredAppell

            I agree with your uncles. Until about 4 years ago I kept my money locked away at home. I started banking it only because
            I needed to have a checking account to pay my bills with. I was sick and tired of buying money orders for the same purpose. It hasn’t made my life any easier, all it did was cut down on the amount of errands that I run. I won’t pay for anything over the internet either because too many hackers have proven that safe guards are meant to be broken.

            I think your tale is a cautionary one, Wall Street could easily crash again, like you said earlier, “gambler’s mentality” with other people’s money. It will happen sooner or later as long as bankers know the Fed will bail them out. It seems we keep making the same mistakes over and over in spite of history.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I worked for 5 years in the 80s for the world’s largest data processing company. It had, even then, the most sophisticated computer systems processing data. In those days, computers were not as user friendly as they are today. This company already had networked computers that connected every office across the country and those in Europe. We called that being “online.” Very different than it’s current meaning, right?

            I digress. It took 5 passwords to get into a local office system. The 5th password was changed weekly to prevent hacking. Each office had a different 5th level password for their location.

            You’d think this would be the ultimate security measure, right? Wrong. In the 5 years I worked for this company, the system was hacked into 3 times. All the hackers were eventually caught. None were employees of the company. They were “know-it-all” twerps with nothing better to do than pump their adrenalin the minute they cracked into a computer system. Genius bois do this today with a sense of entitlement. It’s how Assange and Snowden got their butts into trouble.

            It was never really about hating the US or what the US does…it was about the rush of adrenalin doing something they knew was wrong and chose to do anyway. I call that Twerpie Generation Syndrome.

          • FredAppell

            I know what you mean. I had a friend that used to work for a company that does the same job for the US that Snowden did.
            My friend wasn’t particularly patriotic, nor does he hate this country, he knew what the job description entailed and he had a
            young family to take care of so he kept his mouth shut and did his job. You’re 100% correct about computer hackers, they have a sense of entitlement and causing trouble is their drug. Many of these same hackers often end up working for the government or a private security firm or even companies like Microsoft, scary
            thought huh!

            In many cases, the former hackers are the people who write the computer programs that we all use. That’s equal to a drug addict going to work in a pharmacy or having an alcoholic working as a bartender.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I so agree. Lately, this sense of entitlement has gone far beyond reason and good judgement.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            It takes two to tango…lol.

        • Dominick Vila

          Fred, I think the reason the GOP does not mind undermining the interests of seniors is because they think we are too dumb and we can be easily persuaded to vote for them by doing their usual scare tactics. You have to go no further than what happened last year when they cynically used the $716B in spending reductions – which they loved – to convince seniors that President Obama was trying to destroy MEDICARE. They knew that was not the case and, in fact, eliminating waste and reducing fraud actually strengthens the program, but they did not hesitate to do it because they believe we are too dumb to understand the truth and too old to reach conclusions based on fact.
          Most of our young supported Barack Obama last year and they have become a powerful segment of our party.

          • FredAppell

            I know all about dumb. I was talking to an older gentleman yesterday about Obama care and he actually told me that if everyone is insured, it will diminish the quality of care and there aren’t enough doctors to handle the new influx of patients.
            My response to him was, so how is the ER going to handle the amount of uninsured? No answer, how typical. So then I proposed something else, I asked him if it was plausible that at least some of the opposition President Obama deals with is based on race and his answer was ‘probably’. By the way, the gentleman that I was talking to is my employer, votes Republican down the line, is a Christian and his wife works for a Health Insurer. His son goes to Med School and completely disagrees with his father. I think I choose to listen to the son who is more in the know about these matters. I have worked with his son on occasion and we have talked extensively about a myriad of subjects and this kid can outwit his father on his worst day and his father’s best day. I find it ironic that my employer is almost at the age where he can collect and he intends to but he talks about entitlements and all the takers dragging our country down, huh?

            Dominic, the reason why Ryan and his cohorts think seniors are stupid is because of people like my employer who don’t make any sense.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            The NY Daily News just yesterday posted an AP article on the onslaught of medical students in the hundreds of thousands entering med school.

            One thing I’ve learned about US employers is their keen ability to delay and to stall. While they are delaying and stalling hiring, creating jobs and stalling salary increases for everyone but themselves, they are still getting a windfall from taxpayers in double digit dollups of tax subsidies they do not have a right to.

          • FredAppell

            Good! That means that these kids having more than likely heard of the ACA are still willing to go into the field of medicine. That’s a good indication that they support some kind of National Health
            Care system. The young people today are probably a lot more civic minded than any other generation so far, that must worry the Ayn Randian followers.

            Too bad there isn’t much we can do about the Corporate welfare going on. We have a system developed by the rich, for the rich and every time we expose this, there is another layer of corruption behind it.

          • Daniel Jones

            Corporate *Warfare*, more like.

          • FredAppell

            I can’t believe you commented on that old statement! Sorry, it’s strange reading old comments I made months or years ago. Some of it sounds silly now but it’s nice to know that someone found some value from it. On a serious note,
            your two words say much more than my entire paragraph. Corporate *Warfare* is a perfect description.

          • Dominick Vila

            I had an interesting experience when I went to my gastroenterologist’s office yesterday. When I noticed that the receptionist was frantically trying to keep up with paperwork and a lot of patients, I made a comment about how busy she was. She responded that it was all because Obamacare. I asked her how so, and she responded that now they have to fill out more forms and enter codes confirming the tests and procedures done by the doctor were medically required. Since I didn’t think that was the time or place to get into an argument, I chose to say nothing. In my opinion, the reason she was over-worked and stressed out was not because she now has to fill new forms and entering codes to confirm the necessities of the services they render, but because the doctors at that facility did not hire enough people to keep up with the workload. BTW, the additional paperwork and the requirement for doctors to confirm procedures and tests are medically necessary is to eliminate fraud, duplication and reduce expenditures.
            Making one person do the work of two is one of many gimmicks being used by employers to reduce operating costs, and it is common practice in every sector of our industry. This practice is justified by calling it “productivity” meaning, you scare the daylights out of the employees by reminding them that if they don’t like it there are plenty of applicants who would be happy to replace them, and they (the employer) gets away with murder.

          • FredAppell

            That’s typical of many companies. I work for a small bedding retailer which is co-owned by best friends. There are 2 stores
            and I am the only employee they have. I am over worked, under paid and under appreciated but unlike that receptionist, I know where to place my frustration. It sounds to me like some of her gripe may be partially politically motivated. That being said, employers will in fact play games simply to make the entire law seem foolish and unsustainable. As much as I am happy to be employed, nobody deserves having employers reminding us how expendable we are and how grateful we should be. On a more personal note, I hope you’re alright my friend.

          • Independent1

            Dominick, I know you live somewhere in Florida so I was a bit suprised when you said a receptionist had to keep up with paperwork. I live on an island off the coast of Maine and we have a small health center where paper work is a dirty word – I don’t think my doctor or his assistant or a receptionist or helper at the clinic has touched a piece of paper to record my health related issues for almost 2 years now. My doctor and his assistant both carry around laptop computers into which they lookup and key medical information that is shared not only by them, but by at least the staff of our local hospital that is 22 miles away.

            When my doctor and I go over my health issues, if something comes up needing research, he immediately looks it up via the internet to find the most current information on the issue (while I’m talking with him). If I need medications, he looks them up and orders them instantly via online access to our pharmacy which is about 4 miles away. When our visit is over, if I need medications, they will be waiting for me at the pharmacy by the time I can drive over there. ACA has made significant improvements in my doctor visits – they are no longer primarily about going over existing conditions, they are now more focused on what I may be doing or not doing, that may lead to my encountering a medical problem in the future.

            I recently asked my doctor what he thought of computerizing all medical information now that he’s been using it for a couple years. He said “I love it”, when one of my patients is released from the Medical Center near Bangor, I know about the release within minutes of them walking out the door, and I know all about their prognosis and any medical instructions they are suppose to follow, and whether or not I should expect them to be contacting me for an upcoming visit.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          What you say is very true. Ryan knows that by swaying all future SS and Medicare payments, those who are collecting will be left to their own devices when the money runs outs for the youngest who are eligible.

          Like you, I am as appalled that these younger yahoos would even consider flushing our payroll tax deductions into a Wall Street rat hole that sways like a yo yo every time another negative media report comes out. That’s investing? Sounds more like something I’d hear at a race track or a gambling casino.

          Just think what would have happened if George W. Bush had gotten his way in 2005 when he first proposed privatizing SS and Medicare. Millions of Americans would have been stiffed by the time 2008’s Financial Meltdown occurred and to add salt to the wounds demanding taxpayers bail out the 5 biggest US banks. If these banks are corporations and corporations according to Citizens United are “people,” why aren’t they in jail for massive fraud? This is a question millions of seniors have asked over and over.

          Sorry if my post came off sounding vitriolic. It wasn’t intended personally. I am, after all, a mouthy little devil. Mea Culpa?

          • FredAppell

            Hehe! Seriously, you’re fine. I like reading your comments 🙂 I was pointing out that we actually were saying the same thing. You’re not the only person who misinterprets some of my comments. I can be vague at times but there is a reason for that….I try to remain logical because when I get emotional and say too much I tend to get off topic.

            Here’s something juicy for you Eleanor that i never hear mentioned by Republicans….What are the workers who have been paying into the system for 20 years or more, but still have 20 or so years left before they can retire, supposed to do about all the lost income? The government isn’t going to give that back
            and they’re not going to subsidize us either.

            I know what would have happened to me had George Bush gotten his way, I’d be broke and owing some banker or finance broker and certainly no closer to my goal.

            Another thing Republicans don’t tell anyone is, the returns
            on their investments would be so small they still would not be able to retire on that money. My personal contribution to invest wouldn’t amount to much but it would be beneficial to Wall Street. The whole thing is one big Ponzi scheme. The money and ruling classes stick up for one another as well.

    • Mike_L3

      “… or telling everyone that there won’t be any more money to fund them.”

      Note that the Republicans have been doing this for decades — I remember this line in the ’80s and probably earlier.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Mike, Like you I also remember this from the Gingrichians. Remember Gingrich’s Contract With America? That turned into a Contract ON America. The GOP Gingrichians handed 50% of the government over to their crony capitalists trying to make us believe how good privatized government was. Some of us saw through that line of BS. privatizing th entire government to make it smaller and less accessible for the people paying the taxes?

  • michaelross

    What they’re forgetting is that “seniors” are not just bigoted Archie Bunker types that will be won over with anti-gay, anti-women trivialities anymore. The equal rights activists, flower children and other such liberal-leaning demographics that they used to love spitting on are senior citizens now too, and they haven’t forgotten that the G.O.P. stood to oppose all of the progress they made and is trying to reverse it all to this very day.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Grow up. We seniors of the 60s respected our parents. The Twerpie Generation doesn’t. The Twerpie have zero ability to learn what the word respect means. To them, it’s such an inane concept they don’t even bother to figure out why respect is so important. If we are liberal leaning, you Middle Aged Twerpies benefitted most from that. How you’d like to be drafted and shipped off to a war that taxpayers would pay for and military industrialists would profit heavily from? That’s what MY generation lived through. You profit from this because you have the safety and security of never being forced to be drafted into the military. So let’s talk about other things YOUR generation benefitted from my generation…Start with women’s rights to earn equal pay for equal work. When you’re done with that, you can check on the civil rights that our minorities were not granted even though they paid taxes like we whites did.

      Yours is a selfish, self-important generation of ingrates who think it was always the way it is now. Wrong, sugar plum. You need to stop the bitching and start dong a whole lot more growing up. You know from nothing when it comes to what we liberals fought for so your generation could take fullest advantage. If Wall Street gambling is all your generation cares about, you deserve the crash that will inevitably wipe all of you out.

      • FredAppell

        Eleanore, re-read his post, I’m not 100% sure but I think he’s using sarcasm to defend liberal policies.

  • John Pigg

    Republicans are not losing their older base. And they will never be serious about instituting any changes to Social Security and Medicare, hence why all changes impact those under 55.

    I also do not take Huffington Post too seriously, so I don’t buy their polling either.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      That’s not correct. Do the younger generation pay into SS and Medicare? Did they fill out a W-2 form when they were hired? The changes are not going to impact those under 55 unless they stop working entirely. If you are under 55, you still have one whole decade to pay into SS and Medicare. This is what the Twerpie Generation doesn’t want to do. They want to shift their SS and Medicare into investments on Wall Street. Go ahead. Do it. When Wall Street crashes again as it has 7 times already, what will you do then? Run home to McMommy and McDaddy and live off their SS and Medicare?

      • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

        If the Republicans have their way and privatize Medicare and repeal Obamacare – McMommy and McDaddy may no longer be there for kiddies to run home to and all their assets would have been eaten up by medical bill before the passed on.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Greed is an evil thing most Americans would rather not think about. Yet, greed today is THE most insidious disease in this country. It’s a cancer unto itself. Most seniors will not stand for the younger generation of Twerpies dumping the grandkids on us, while we take care of our elderly, sick parents and go out to work full-time jobs so the McTwerpie Generation can run to Happy Hour and spend their lives in ostentatious luxuries while their parents struggle.

          We won’t live forever. In a way, judging by what I see of this younger generation with their selfishness and naricissism? I’m glad I won’t be here to watch them cannabalize each other.

      • John Pigg

        I am not advocating privatizing Social Security? I am making the point that the Republican Party is selling these ideas of reform in ways that will not affect the current recipients.

        Reforming entitlements will not hurt the Republican Party with retirees because retirees are of the opinion that young people are lazy and do not work.

        I really do not understand your tone. Retirees are the bedrock of the Republican Party as long as reform of social benefits affect different generations the elderly will continue to vote Republican. My point makes a lot more sense than the point this article is trying to make.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Republicans lost some of their most prominent party members…Olympia Snowe, Kaye Bailey Richardson and if they keep up their Bull Male rhetoric, they will lose Chris Christie. Big big mistake.

      • John Pigg

        True, don’t forget Luger who was forced out in IN. But the base of the Republican party is white and it is elderly. And this base is not going anywhere. If this trend were true in any real way, you would see states that lack youthful demographics converting Blue overnight.

        This article is completely off base even if at its base the premise seems logical. Republicans will never be serious about reforming social security or other social benefits unless drafted in a way that affects younger generations and not them.

  • Dominick Vila

    The reasons so many seniors are turning against the GOP, including some lifetime Republicans, include Rep. Ryan’s plan to dismantle MEDICARE and replace it with a voucher system, the continuous efforts to privatize Social Security, the continuous attempts to repeal or underfund ACA, a program that among other things eliminates the costly doughnut hole, and the overt efforts to get rid of MEDICAID. Tens of thousands of seniors depend on the latter to pay for nursing home and hospice care.
    Last, but not least, many seniors finally realize that the $716B MEDICARE savings strengthen rather than destroy a program we rely on for our medical care.
    Instead of being part of the solution, the GOP chose to be the problem, and they are paying dearly for it.

    • gvette

      Hi Dominick. I hope your day is a good one.

      Do m a favor, and go read this..

      • Mike_L3

        Please repost the link — it got cut off and does not work (and, unfortunately you didn’t give enough information to search to find it).

        • gvette
          • Mark Forsyth

            I tried it gvette,all I got was a WSJ article but no petition?

          • gvette

            Hi Mark. sorry. See if Dominick still has it.

          • Mark Forsyth

            No problem.I have signed several petitions regarding Immigration Reform so I think I have covered the bases.What surprised me was not only the lack of a petition to sign but the article,[I only read slightly more than half] seemed decidedly negative towards reform efforts.No matter,if and when the obstinate extract their heads from their butts they might just see how instrumental immigration reform can be to restoring the economy.

          • gvette

            Like you, I sign petitions, and send letters. I don’t think they care, anymore!

          • Mark Forsyth

            It does make one wonder.Along with the petitions I have taken to communicating directly with those legislators here in New York State with whom I have previous dealings.I have occasion to feel that I make some progress and sometimes change some perspectives.
            I hope you don’t get too dejected.

      • Dominick Vila

        Thanks for the link. I signed the petition for immigration law reform.

        • gvette

          I signed it too Dominick. How much good it’ll do, i don’t know!

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  • FT66

    It is horrible to treat seniors badly. They shouldn’t beg for what they worked for. It was them who built up the nation. Their sweat, their good thinking of what is beneficial for them and young ones. We should ask them what more they need instead of thinking of cutting down what they have got already. They shouldn’t suffer by missing anything they want. They have all the rights to run away from the Party which doesn’t show them any appreciation.

  • chisolm

    Republicans believe in personal responsibility and small government, Democrats believe in victimization and big government. All the rhetoric boils down to that one simple fact and the majority of seniors will always oppose big government dictating their lives.

    • DAK27

      And you are full of shit. The GOP is FOR big government… it is just their brannd of government. The same brand as 1930’s Germany.

    • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

      Small Government – except when it comes to Women’s Reproductive and Health Care Issues, than they want a threesome. How is the Government dictating their lives?

      • stcroixcarp

        The GOP wants government big enough to subsidize big pharma, big, oil, big banks, big Wall Street, big polluters, but small enough to get into a woman’ uterus.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          I agree.. But then, look at who the leaders of the GOP Bull Male Dominator Party are…Boehner? Ryan? Cantor? Issa? Inohfe? McConnell (who’s on his way out to be replaced by another Twerpie Generation loony, Rand Big Chief Paul)

          • Mikey7a

            ok Eleanore, but being an old bull male myself, that just happens to think the G.O.P. is destroying MY country, will you at least add a few women, such as Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Nikki Haley, Susanna Martinez, Kristi Noem, there are others but you get my gist? I’ll agree that the GOP is loaded with fat, bald, white, rich men, but the women are just as batchit crazy as the men can be!

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Of really? Personal responsibility and small government? So that’s why they take our tax dollars in the billions and personally respond to Big Oil and 4 other major industries to the tune of $50 billion a year while they stiff seniors who paid for decades into SS and Medicare. Men with designs on other peoples’ money are vultures who stop at nothing to get their syrupy mitts on what doesn’t now or ever belong to them. Democrats protect seniors from these greedy vultures. Seniors had parents who lived through the Great Depression…caused by these same greedy vultures who over speculated on Wall Street and brought the whole country down. Go ahead…deny that. As for small government, that too is BS…the US under Bush and Cheney had more privatization to their crony capitalists than any other time in US history. Is that what YOU call smaller government? Selling off your government to private industry to make billions in profit off senior taxpayers? Sorry…we already paid our dues…Now, it’s time for the same ROI your kind demand in 30 seconds from your Wall Street investments. We waited and worked for ours. Move those butts and work for yours for 4 decades and then post drivel.

    • sleepvark

      chisolm, what kind of bizzaro world do you come from? Personal responsibility and small government is the republican mantra, but it’s so obvious that these white devils speak with forked tongues. Personal responsibility my hairy behind! Why isn’t there a single wall street ceo in jail right now because of their personal responsibility for ruining our economy? Why aren’t the shrub, cheney and rummy charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity given the number of times they have openly and proudly admitted to so many horrific deeds done on their watch with their explicit approval? These people are very clever in dodging personal responsibility, and our country is a laughing stock as a result.
      Small government, YGTBSM! Not if you’re a person with a womb, in which case the teabaggers/rethugs are all about the diminution of your rights brought about by government intrusion into the most intimate details of your life, which are NObody’s business, least of all that impotent group of dirty old men in the gop.
      You are a pathetic tool.

    • charleo1

      Republicans say they are all about, personal responsibility, until it comes to actually embracing personal responsibility. Take the incentive of the mandate in ACA. Republicans used to support the idea that a person has an obligation to pay his bills. And not foist them off on the tax payer. Now, they say it’s just fine. Yes, those who act responsible, and are responsible by buying insurance, so the government doesn’t need to step it, and keep providers solvent. Are being cheated two ways. First by the higher premiums they must pay for the freeloaders. Then, their tax monies further subsidize the irresponsible actions of those who refuse to buy insurance. I’ve gotta ask. Which Party do you think is encouraging personal responsibility? Which
      Party is squealing, and throwing hissy fits, because they want Americans
      to feel sorry for the rich? Because the mean ol’ Federal Government is
      abusing them, by making them pay taxes. Which again reveals Republicans
      are all for helping the freeloader. No insurance mandate. No taxes for the
      wealthy, and corporations. I don’t blame you personally. These Republicans
      are really hard to defend. Even they have a whale of a time trying. And it’s
      their job! It’s also has to do with the fact you can’t swing a cat without
      hitting on some huge hypocrisy. As you said about Seniors, not putting
      up with government dictating to them? The women of the U.S. want the
      GOP to mine it’s own business. See what I mean? These jerks are damned
      hard to justify.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    I’m a senior citizen. I am still employed full-time. I’m already past eligibility for SS and Medicare. I have many senior friends who feel as I do. There are too many in the younger generation who want to play fast and loose with SS and Medicare. They want the trillions that are sitting in piles in the US Treasury for these two programs so they can stuff it into precarious, insecure Wall Street investments. Any money just sitting there to these younger ingrates appears to be wasted when gambling it all on investments is such an obsession.

    Yet, these same junior geniuses are the first to demand ROI for their Wall Street investments. When that, likely as not, doesn’t happen in 30 seconds, they go all Goth and become the Great White Angry Middle Aged Overindulged Twerpie Generation. They start looking at what took seniors decades upon decades to earn.

    These are younger people who simply do not want to have to work harder than they have to. In their peculiarly Twerpie Generation minds, they think you age out of the McMansions at 35, marry, start a family and by age 45 you should be ready for retirement because your Wall Street gambling has made you all the wealth you’ll ever need. This Utopia isn’t real. Then, when they discover the cold hard facts that everything in life has a price and you have to work for what you want, they become sullen, mouthy and angry at the older generation who have what they don’t. And that becomes the Twerpie Generation’s clue to take what isn’t theirs and spend it as they please. This is what we see in Ryan, Issa, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor and Inohfe. The Twerpie Generation icons of senior citizen theft.

  • Allan Richardson

    Conservatives want “free” market capitalism for the average American (no unions, no protection by “big government” from double-crossing by employers, no minimum wage, and if you get fired and your savings go away, tough luck, YOYO), but SOCCIALISM for the rich (gamble with stockholders’ or depositors’ money, if you win, keep it, if you lose, go to the taxpayers (not YOU since you used loopholes to avoid paying them) and get bailed out at their expense).

    They are like the football team owner who thinks that, because he won the Super Bowl last year, he should make the rules to his teams advantage, change them if necessary, and hire and fire all the officials so that every call will be in his team’s favor.


    Not To Worry

    This writer’s take on the problem is fairly simplistic. Just wait another fifteen or twenty years and by that time all the old, used up, out of date, and rapidly aging GOP supporters will be gone from the scene, leaving the Democrats to fix their many years of screwing things up and favoring the rich country club set.

    • DAK27

      Ah, so we just “write-off” all those alive today that these programs will hurt? We tell Grandpa and Grandma tough shit, you voted for the GOP in times past and deserve what you get now?


        Funny Thing

        Times Change. Like ten years ago we didn’t give a crap about all the hispanics pouring into the country. While now it is a great big issue.

        Plus, history is a heartless bitch since every once in a while it turns around and boots you in the arse.

  • ThomasBonsell

    How could any thinking person ever believe the GOP is better at handling the economy than are Dems.

    Democratic administrations have always done better than GOP outfits on economic matters.

    Every GOP administration since World War I has trashed the economy. Every One. Some more than once (Eisenhower three recessions, Nixon two and Buffoon Bush two). Democratic recessions are about as rare as Mensa meetings in Rand Paul’s bathtub.

    The stock market through the 20th Century gained 13-14 % under Democrats; 6-7% under GOP. Since the Great Depression job creation is far superior under Democrats than under GOP. The only Demo administration that fell below a GOP administration was Harry Truman, who presided over a 60% reduction in government spending, million of Americans discharged from the WWII military (those were jobs) and much of the economy shutting down to convert to peacetime production from wartime production. In spite of that, Truman’s job creation topped every GOP except Reagan, and Reagan did his on trillions of borrowed dollars.

    The recession under Truman under these circumstances was nowhere near GOP recessions. The only other Democrat recession was under Jimmy Carter, and it was the shortest and mildest of them all and caused by the oil embargo following the iranian revolution, not policy.

    Government finances are always better under Dems. Debt grows more under GOP, tax collections are lower under GOP, the economy grows slower under GOP, deficits are much higher under GOP.

    Too much to mention here, but this little bit tells the entire story.

  • idamag

    Samantha 657 is a well-known scam.


    I wonder why it took seniors so long?

  • Wemble

    The rich and the wealthy, the 1%ers, are totally committed to protecting their own interests–that’s the reason they pay and elect Republicans…to look after the best interests of their masters. They do not understand why anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together would do otherwise.

    That’s why when working class Americans, people in need, or the elderly don’t vote for people and support people who protect their best interests and vote for Republicans who help the rich, well the wealthy thank them for their support yet laugh at what suckers they are. Once Americans do what is best for them rather than what lines the pockets of the rich, once they bother to get out and vote, then things will change.

  • mwh191

    Never underestimate the ability of Americans to vote against their own best interests.

  • etherbunny

    I’ve never had to ‘turn’ on them. They lost me over 40 years ago.