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Thursday, January 17, 2019

By a 7-1 vote, the Supreme Court ruled Monday that the use of race-based affirmative action must be held to a heightened scrutiny that allows it to be used only if it is the sole means of increasing diversity on campus. They sent the case of Fisher v. University of Texas back to the Federal Court of Appeals to be reviewed by that standard.

“The University must prove that the means chosen by the University to attain diversity are narrowly tailored to that goal. On this point, the University receives no deference,” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion. “Strict scrutiny must not be strict in theory but feeble in fact.”

The case was built upon 2003’s landmark decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, which held that race may be a factor in increasing diversity, though quotas may not be used. In her majority decision, Justice Sandra Day O’Connor wrote, “The court expects that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.”

Just a few years later in 2007, Abigail Fisher was rejected by the University of Texas-Austin because her grades were not good enough, according to the university. The school accepts the top 10 percent — which Fisher was not in — of each high school in Texas, and then accepts the remainder of its freshman class based on a variety of factors, including race.

Fisher, who graduated from Louisiana State University, disputes UT’s claim. “There were people in my class with lower grades who weren’t in all the activities I was in who were being accepted into UT, and the only other difference between us was the color of our skin,” she said in a video posted by the Project on Fair Representation, the conservative group backing her case. She sued for her application fee, arguing that the use of racial considerations denied her rights as an American.

The Court of Appeals will now decide if, in Justice Kennedy’s words, “no workable race-neutral alternatives would produce the educational benefits of diversity.”

In his concurring opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas argued for the complete rejection of Grutter that many court watchers were expecting in the court’s ruling in Fisher, which will likely be reheard by the highest court after the lower court hears it again.

“I suspect that the University’s program is instead based on the benighted notion that it is possible to tell when discrimination helps, rather than hurts, racial minorities,” Thomas wrote.

Thomas’ argument is that affirmative action is like segregation and slavery — despite the fact that its goal is inclusion. Thomas apparently cannot tell the difference between programs that promoted racial diversity — programs he likely benefited from despite his belief that they hurt his career — and government-sanctioned travesties that enslaved and persecuted African-Americans.

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71 responses to “Affirmative Action Survives The Supreme Court — Barely”

  1. ObozoMustGo says:

    Thomas is absolutely correct. In fact, it is unfortunate that a case has not been brought up against the Federal Government for the permanent, generational enlsavement of many black Americans on the government plantation. THAT has had disastrous effects on blacks and black families in America. The DemonRATS knew what they were doing when they decided to create a nearly monolithic voting block by making many blacks dependent on government. Now THAT would be a worthy case of fraud against a government that has become a fraud.

    Have a nice day!

    “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

    • jmprint says:

      I don’t understand why you use excuses, when you are just blatantly prejudice.

    • charleo1 says:

      In Republican run States, the percentage of people of all ethnicities, living
      below the poverty line, is greater than in States traditionally governed by
      Democrats. The number of people living without health insurance, and
      without regular medical care, is higher in Republican run states, than in
      traditionally Democratic States. The percentage of students graduating
      from high school, is greater in Democratically run States. As well as the
      percentages of students entering, and graduating secondary institutions
      with formal degrees, are higher in Democratically run States, than their
      fellow Americans who live in States, where public funds are routinely
      siphoned from education, in the unsubstantiated theory, businesses grow
      more quickly when government works to keep wages low, and benefits
      like healthcare to a minimum. While increasing the bottom lines of key
      industries, with straight unencumbered, no strings attached, gifts, tax
      breaks, and just plain old cash giveaways. So, as they consistently tout
      their wonderful economic models, without a shred of evidence to back
      it up. Year after year these Right Wing corporate playgrounds, require
      more Federal Funds to provide basic necessities to their citizens, than is
      ever contributed by them to the Federal common fund. Which they all
      make farcical attempts to paper over, by shaking their fists at the Federal
      Government. And, making a huge stink about all the money the Democrats
      are spending on food, and healthcare. Going in large part, to the impoverished, and under educated, residents of their own States!
      So, I’ve got your plantation right here. Know what I mean?

      • RobertCHastings says:

        Good for you! Very nicely said AND proven.

      • glorybe2 says:

        Schools can not be considered in relation to politics. Many areas hide the fact that their schools are inferior. Some school systems would graduate an empty shoe or a mouse to boost their graduation statistics.

        A few years ago the mayor of Tunica Mississippi was on national TV defending his lack of support for the public schools. What the man said was all too true. Tunica has a large, black population. The mayor remarked that if he provided superior education for these kids he would end up with many, highly educated, young people with no jobs and it was a negative expense for the town. But if he used the same money to build a fancy golf course to get people from Memphis to drive down and spend money the entire town would benefit. The mayor’s view was very real. The only answer that I know is to have the federal government pump money into poor towns so that education funds are available. Supply and demand rules work against communities.

        • charleo1 says:

          Well, it doesn’t change the fact that those kids need, and
          deserve a world class education. And, there’s nothing preventing some of those old Geezers ponying up a little
          money out of their own pockets, if they want a golf course.
          It’s all about priorities. That’s why a budget is also a moral
          statement. The Mayor may justify in his mind, cheating
          the kids on their education, to fund something he’d kinda
          like to have. Something he may feel he deserves. But, at
          the end of the day. Who paid the most for the golf course?
          The kids. See, I grew up in a very small wide spot, on a
          skinny two lane road. My school, grades 1-6, maybe, 100
          kids. But, then, we all moved to the big city. And big city schools, And I found was so lucky, not to be behind. That
          there were people in, and around that little wide spot in the
          road, that thought my education was important enough to
          spend, not spend, invest, in that kid, in me! It looked like
          a poor investment, I’m sure. But, that’s the way people
          used to do things. And, there are some things, I don’t
          believe we should change. Like investing in our kids.

          • plc97477 says:

            Since we have a nation full of young people who can’t keep up with the demands of the new tech work places I would say education is not a poor investment. If we can just get our young people up to par we might be able to make something of our country.

          • charleo1 says:

            I agree with you 100%! We must do a better job of preparing
            the next generation to not only survive, but thrive in a world
            that is changing at an ever increasing pace. And, that’s a
            tall order. And it won’t be easy. But then, the important things
            never are. There was a study done several years ago, that
            determined for every dollar we invest in education, we receive
            10 back. In the form of taxes, the educated make more money,
            and pay more taxes. They are far less likely to commit a crime.
            So, there is savings in a crime that never was, and a prison
            cell, we didn’t need. It’s a long list, that proves education to
            be the best way, like you said. For a Country to make
            something of itself!

          • glorybe2 says:

            I am all for education. My point is that some towns have entirely different issues. The small, white, population of Tunica could only hope to do so much. But like many areas the key to improvement rested in bringing money in from nearby Memphis. This is a different version of a statement made years ago by Jesse Jackson. He remarked that if he took all the black folks in NYC and the boroughs out of town and got them all a Ph.D. that when they returned home there would be no jobs and poverty awaiting thee highly educated black folks. Mississippi earns its money with cotton, canola oil and other physical products. Machinery took labor out of those trades decades ago. So no matter how much product Mississippi raises and ships the unemployment and severe under employment remain a huge problem. To me it is strange that black folks stay in Mississippi at all. Change is so very difficult for so many people. The rest of America is feeling the edge of the same issue. The stock market and big companies are making a fortune but the working public is sliding into oblivion. It is going to get a lot worse.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        Chuckie… you are once again delusional if you think that a state’s either dependence or non-dependence on Federal dollars can be definitively traced to which party is in power at one point in time. It is true that, with minor exception, many states in the US fluctuate party control of either Executive or Legislative, and the extent of that control also varies along the continuum of complete control by one to relatively even handed control by both. For example, Mass. typically has complete DemonRAT control, but Romney was a Republican. PA is considered a blue state by how it votes in presidential elections. But the Governor and Legislature are Republican controlled. The only area where we can actually make an accurate assessment of whether or not one party’s ideology has any real effect is in those places where one party has controlled government nearly 100% for extended periods of time. It is those places where we could truly make fully informed decisions based on empirical evidence as well as factual economic and population data. Those places are America’s large urban cities…. Like Detroit. Hasn’t had a Repub in 50 years. Nice success story that is. Here is a listing of those cities:

        Interesting to say the least.


        City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level
        1. Detroit, MI, 32.5%
        2. Buffalo, NY, 29.9%
        3. Cincinnati, OH, 27.8%
        4. Cleveland, OH, 27.0%
        5. Miami, FL, 26.9%
        6. St. Louis, MO, 26.8%
        7. El Paso, TX, 26.4%
        8. Milwaukee, WI, 26.2%
        9. Philadelphia, PA, 25.1%
        10. Newark, NJ, 24.2%

        What do the top ten cities(over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

        Detroit, MI (1st worst) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
        Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
        Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
        Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
        Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
        St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
        El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
        Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
        Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
        Newark , NJ (10th) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1907.

        Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

        It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still POOR!

        “You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.” – Abraham Lincoln

        I love Abraham Lincoln. You should, as well. And you should take his words very seriously. He is 100% correct.

        I got your plantation right here!!! It’s called America’s DemonRAT cities.

        Have a nice day, chumpeo!

        • WhutHeSaid says:

          I must say I was shocked to see that you oppose diversity. NOT.

          You forgot to mention how the REDNECK states are always the poorest of the poor and suck up all of the tax dollars from the ‘blue’ states. Kind of takes all of the wind right out of your lies, now doesn’t it?

          Obama is STILL black, and all of your lying and attempting to spin reality won’t change that fact. What’s a bitter bigot to do?

        • charleo1 says:

          Stop with the B.S. The best way for the Federal Government
          to balance it’s books is insist these backwater Boobs that run
          their their little Fiefdoms, like Mob Bosses. The next time they
          want to ignore Federal Law, because they ain’t never let no
          Darkie tell them what to do. And Obummer won’t be the first.
          We should tell them, we’ve decided, if they want to secede,
          since they aren’t contributing enough to the public till to pull
          their own weight, anyway, we’ve decided to let them. And,
          those T-Baggers, you can have them too. Already, we’re
          going to need to fumigate the place. Nasty people. Now,
          you’ll all be very happy, without the evil Federal Government
          usurping all them State’s Rights, as it were.

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  3. Germansmith says:

    I think many talented future black lawyers, doctors and physicists will be glad that nobody can use “affirmative action” to question their talent.

    I once refused a promotion because my boss used the fact that I was Latin to promote me to higher management. As grateful as I was to her, I did not want it to be part of the “quota” the company had to promote minorities and women.
    Eventually I ended up getting promoted based on my numbers and after the quota system proved to be a disaster in my company.
    I understand how Judge Thomas would feel about it. For those that feel “Affirmative Action” is a counterbalance to racism in our society, I say 2 wrongs a right does not make and Affirmative Action is an excuse used by angry whites to hold on to the obsolete idea that blacks are inferior and that otherwise would not make it on talent alone.

    • Maggie Rae says:

      Well good for you Germansmith. Unfortunately, this is not the case for BLACK Americans. You need to do some research on the relations of White America and Back people who live in America. If you knew the history of what led up to the Affirmative Action Act, you may learn something. Before we had affirmative action the talent of Black folks were questioned. Do you think there were no Blacks in the medical field and legal profession prior to the 1960s? Do yourself a favor and learn about the accomplishments of Blacks prior to Affirmative Action. And being Latin is not the same as being Black with roots in Africa.

      • Germansmith says:

        I never said that affirmative action was at a time a necessity. I just believe is time we remove that saddle and let the talent rise without artificially tilting the playing field. We owe it to the talented of any race or gender that they achieve whatever level they will without having to give them special benefits over others
        If we are EVER to eliminate most racism/prejudice in the US, there can be no perception that one group is receiving any special treatment over the others…and by the way it would be the same rules for women, hispanics or gays

        Do you think the USA was the only country in the Americas where blacks (and Chinese and Indians) were used as slave labor and mistreated after their “official” liberation? I have the benefit to see how other countries managed the problem as you only saw what was done in America.
        Trust me when I tell you that blacks in Jamaica, or TT or even Cuba have achieve a great deal more with a great deal less and in the process also gained self confidence in their abilities and talents.
        If you keep telling a human beings that they are disadvantaged and therefore need special help to survive, eventually they will believe it and it will sap their confidence.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          G-Smitty… the leftist freaks don’t think like that. They see racisim in everything. It’s a component of the holy trinity of the left: Class, Gender, and Race. Everything boils down to one or more of those 3 false idols of the leftist freaks. Mags just is one of those with a huge chip on her shoulder.

          Have a nice evening!

          “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

        • Maggie Rae says:

          Germansmith, I get the impression that your goal in having this discussion is to be right, and to prove everyone else wrong. You are making assumptions about me without knowing me or anything about me. I don’t think I said anything about my experience being limited to the United States of America.
          I believe in sticking to the topic or subject or problem at hand. This court case is simply about Whites vs. Blacks in the case of the AAA. Affirmative Action addresses the issues involving the treatment of Black citizens by White citizens in the same country, the United States of America. And this what I would prefer to limit my input to. If you take the time to read the pros and cons of allowing (making it a law) Blacks to be full and equal participants in America, as augured by the Senate and the House of Representatives, plus, the White citizens in this country, your argument may be revised (not changed, but revised).
          Initially, Affirmative Action was supposed to correct the wrongs that had been done to Blacks. However, it ended up including everybody, e.g. women, non-black ethnic groups, handicap people, gays, etc. What I find interesting about your position on the AAA is that you are not Black, and you have no direct experience of the things that Black people experience, have decided that it is a “saddle”. A saddle on whose back?
          I would suggest you trade places for a couple of days with a Black American, and then come here and give your opinion on the need or lack there of, of Affirmative Action. Oh, and don’t assume that we Black posters just spout off whatever comes to mind. We may not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but we’re not the dimmest either.

          • Germansmith says:

            There will be no way new generations of white people would ever compensate what their ancestors did to blacks, Native Americans or Chinese. Human beings have been treating other human beings lousy since the beginning of history. The slave history is not unique to blacks in the US and sadly slavery is still practice in places.
            In most cases the ancestors of black people were sold into slavery in Africa by other natives and were shipped into America to work in plantations. The same scene happen in many countries.
            I am just drawing a parallel and a comparison between how blacks have redress this injustices in other countries and what is expected in the US.
            I have nothing but respect to the intelligence of the many black people that have crossed my life, starting with the woman who raised me in my childhood, my many friends and clients, but I must admit my experiences with most of my black friends is from Non-US blacks. They seen to have no bitterness or hold anger to what was happening just a generation ago. They just want to prove that success is the best revenge.
            As long as the anti-discriminations laws are respected (and we must maintain constant vigilance to make sure they do) I have no doubt in my mind that African Americans have the intelligence, competence and ability to thrive under any competition and the relationship between the races would probably be much better if we remove the shadow of affirmative action. It was needed when it was enacted, but I do not think is needed now.

          • Maggie Rae says:

            Germansmith, again, this court case (nor this article) that we are supposedly discussing, has anything to do with Native Americans or Chinese. Next, you seem to be an intelligent person, yet you don’t seem to understand that the Affirmative Action Act is not what white individuals did or did not do to Black people. This Act addresses what was / is institutional racial practices that only affected / effected BLACK people in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I Suppose other countries who had similar systems addresses their issues according to what their needs were. The United States is a country with it own set of race problems, it has it own laws, its own Constitution, it has its own set of “values”, and so on. Therefore, I am not the least bit concerned about how Jamaica, Haiti, or any other place on the slave trade route dealt with any race issues. Also, if your foreign Black friends had it so good in their home countries, why didn’t they stay there. No one forced them to come to America. I thought I made it clear to you that I am not ignorant about the history and the current state of Black people in this country, and I am not unlearned about slavery existing in other places at this present time. I don’t need to present a resume outlining my knowledge on this subject or any other subject in my posts. I hope you don’t think that you’re the only poster that is knowledge about history. I do not engage in any topic that I have absolutely no knowledge about. So, I would really appreciate you implying that I am unaware of the history of slavery in this country and else where. If you think about your own attitude in your post to me, you may realize that you too are guilty of thinking that I (as a Black American) am lacking in knowledge, and somehow, I just don’t qualify to discuss this subject. Oh, and by the way, what makes you think that Black Americans are “bitter” and “revengeful” because of the injustice toward them in this country? Haven’t you ever heard that Black people are the most forgiven people on earth? Just because we want to be treated like full citizens does not make us bitter or revengeful, which is another misnomer about Black Americans. I’m sure you’re very sincere in your feelings about this issue, and I don’t question that. I will say that it has been interesting reading your point of view. I don’t agree with most of it, but that’s one of the rewards of open discussion, learning what other people think. Be well my friend!

          • Germansmith says:

            Thanks Maggie
            I guess to keep it short and about the article.
            Even as I do not agree with most of his points of view, I understand why would Judge Thomas would want affirmative action in the past. He is a Supreme and he want people to acknowledge he got there because he paid the price and not because of AA. I understand the feeling of frustration that a person feel when other people keep commenting that his top accomplishment was due to help he received because he was different.
            Be well and prosper
            Go Heat!!!!

          • Maggie Rae says:

            Germansmith, Clarence Thomas maintains that he was not a product of the Civil Rights Act or the Affirmative Action Act. I suppose he would know better than I would if he was helped by both. However, I don’t recall hearing or reading anywhere that Thomas was made a Supreme Court Justice because of AA.

            The next thing is, the reason he does not say anything is because he doesn’t have anything thoughts, except bitter ones. He is still angry and bitter toward African Americans because the majority of them did not support him or want him serving on the Supreme Court.

            In fact, a couple of years ago, his wife had the nerve to call up Anita Hill and leave her a voice mail message asking Ms. Hill to apologize to Clarence Thomas for lying on him. Clarence Thomas was appointed to the Bench by the first President George Bush, his appointment had nothing to do with AA. In fact, most White Americans like Thomas because he absolutely has no use for Black Americans.

            Have you ever heard him speak at colleges and universities, or in some other academic setting? If you have, then you would understand what I’m saying is not unfounded. So, I’m struggling to understand what it is that you understand about his attitude.

            Be well my friend!
            And yeah, the Heat is on….Stanley Cup!!!!

          • Germansmith says:

            You have to go no further than to read some of the other comments here to see that is implied. I really do not know much about Judge Thomas but I am not really impressed with any of them.
            I guess if you are from Chicago, the Blackhawks make up for the fact you have to support the Cubs. Sorry about what the Heat did to the Bulls (not really)

          • Maggie Rae says:

            German, I’m not trying to influence your opinion of Clarence Thomas , I’m simply voicing my feelings and opinions about this man based on his documented, pre-Justice, record.

            You may find this hard to believe, but Black people are not monolithic in thought. Also, there are many Blacks that are Republican, and many (if not most) of them are from, and in the South. You may already know this, but the majority of Southern Blacks considered themselves Republican and Conservative because of President Lincoln emancipating the slaves. This changed during the Civil Rights struggle in the 1960s.

            So, Clarence Thomas is not a favorite son of the Black community because of his system of beliefs. In all fairness, he has a right to think the way he chooses, and “ain’t nobody mad at that.” Seriously, we do recognize that Clarence is entitled to his opinions and we are not upset with him because of it. We just don’t agree with him.

            Now German, you’re really funny, but, I’m not laughing (not too loud anyway) at your little “Cubs” and “Bulls” zingers. But yes, Go HAWKS!!!

            Take care!

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        Mags…. you can take that race chip off your shoulder now. It’s been, what, 50 years now? Get over it. Until you get over it, you’re going to be crying racism at everything where it actually does not exist or is of no consequence. Unless of course you’re one of those race hustlers that makes money off of your claims of racism, and extortion of those accused…. just sayin

        Have a nice day!

        “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

        • Dixie Martin says:

          Racism exists in full glory. You must close your eyes and ears daily to suggest that it does not exist. You must be one of those “good ole boys” who wants to return to the America of the 1950s. Good luck.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Racism exists everywhere ONLY in your twisted and melted mind. You have leftist freak disease, clearly. Unfortunately, it’s fatal for the vast majority of those so afflicted. Like I said to Mags, get the chip off your shoulder. Life is much better once you do.

            Have a nice day!

            “Everybody has asked the question. . .”What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!” — Frederick Douglass

        • Maggie Rae says:

          So what did you do, change your screen name there Boz? I recognize you and your negative attitude toward just everything. We’ve had many exchanges in the past, and I finally asked you not to communicate with me anymore. It was very clear to me that you were a mean spirited person, whose only pleasure in life is trying to insult people. So, since I do know who you are, I will not reply to your post to me.
          Have a nice life!

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Mags… I don’t care if you reply to me or not. Just get the chip off your shoulder and you’ll be much better off when you do.

            Have a nice day!

            “What I do say is, that no man is good enough to govern another man, without that other’s consent. I say this is the leading principle – the sheet anchor of American republicanism.” – Abraham Lincoln

    • Michael Kollmorgen says:

      I appreciate your opinions very much.

      Please be aware though that there is a huge difference between Latino/Hispanic and Black Discrimination and their populations.

      The biggest difference is that Latinos/Hispanics were NEVER in Slavery, at least not here in the US.

      We all could claim we are all under Economic Slavery however. At one point or time in our nation’s history, there have always been groups of people singled out for discrimination. It is in the nature of our country to use this or that group of people at the current time to use as Scapegoats.

      All Affirmative Action is doing is correcting our past mistakes and trying to make sure it don’t happen again.

      • Germansmith says:

        Michael. I do not deny there was a need for affirmative action
        But now there is a need for it to be reevaluated
        You bring up a good point. Long time ago, Irish were considered barbarian scum. Chinese were less than humans (we actually made laws to restrict their immigration), we interned Japanese in camps.
        What allow those groups to rise while blacks were left behind? (besides the South, that is a very sad history)
        Now that we have a black President, a black AG, many talented and rich black athletes and entertainers and a rising professional class and laws prohibiting discrimination.
        What do African-Americans need to do to raise the rest of the group, to eliminate their percentages of crime and incarceration?
        Is it still “The Man” or are they still a victims of cultural perception?

        • Michael Kollmorgen says:

          Ahhh, Cultural Perception. That is a good one.

          Maybe that’s what this is really all about too.

          I don’t know what these upper-crust colored people need to do up uplift the rest of their ethnic group(s). I wonder what the average black person thinks of these people, seriously. Do, they consider them Token _, or do they consider these people actual achievers?

          The people I hung with years ago really didn’t have anymore use for them then they did “the man”. Maybe times and “perception” has changed. Who knows.

          I do know that the average upper-crust white person couldn’t give a crap about anyone below them. So why should any other group of people think differently?

          People are all basically the same. Once you gain status, wealth, power, the people who supported you are usually the first people they crap on.

          There was a study conducted, I think last year about wealth and honesty. Did you know, the study found that the more money you have, the more likely you are going to steal, cheat and lie? It does not matter what background you come from, does not matter what color you are, does not matter if you are male or female.

          I believe the psychological underpinning of this fact was because the richer you are, the more you can afford to hire a good lawyer and get away with it, or at least “think” you’re going to get away with it.

    • glorybe2 says:

      The Supreme court can effect things it does not mean to effect. For example some universities have policies to stop Asian students from winning all the scholarships as other races simply do not rise to the same academic success. But if race is not considered only Asians would win scholarships and strife might result. But the total racial balance of the university may not be effected at all so now having a rule that one fourth of the scholarships must go to non-Asians would now be illegal. It is not that Asians are more intelligent but Asian families control their youth rather strictly and make their children study rigorously at a level that most other races would consider abusive.

      • Germansmith says:

        I rather doubt your statement is true, because that would be RACISM…but assuming it is
        Should we have strife because most of the highly paid NBA players jobs go to African Americans? (Go Heat!!!!) In the name of equality, should I demand we have more white wide receivers !!!! Please Get Real!!!
        If success is based on talent alone nobody can argue with the results.
        Maybe the facts that Asians in the US had to travel thousands of miles to get here , were worked like slaves either building a railroad or working in many menials jobs and NOBODY felt sorry for them to give them an extra hand or benefit, it forced Asian families to become disciplined and stress education and family structure for their children.
        Maybe we should learn from them

        • glorybe2 says:

          We saw the same situation with Albert Einstein. In his youth oppression of Jews was overwhelming in Germany and the effect sometimes was that Jews hoped to survive by acquiring education or advanced skills. Einstein was able to immigrate into the US at a time in which Jews were routinely denied access to America. Asians have endured many horrors of war and poverty and are sensitive to the need to acquire education and position in society. Examples of what school children are exposed to in Japan would suffice. Americans would rarely if ever push children as hard as Japan does. By the time college roles around anglo kids simply are not equal and the awarding of scholarships clearly reflects what I am stating.

          • Germansmith says:

            The thing about Jews is that they have had plenty of practice because everybody have been after them since the middle ages and the survivors have learned survival techniques that stress education, family and cultural and religious discipline.
            The best steel is forged by fire and stress….same thing happen to people. If a culture or group becomes complacent, they soon will be replace from the top of the food chain.

    • Charles Evans says:

      Sorry Germansmith, but your wrong on all counts. Affirmative action has nothing to do with jobs promotions. It has to do with actually getting a job, and it is based on ” equal opportunity,” and fairness. When I got a job as a welder 30 years ago, I had to know how to weld. The same for any other job I’ve held for over 40 years. There was a time when black workers ( like many women today ) were paid less than their counter parts who did the same work. My dad worked for a company ( 40 plus years retired ). He recalled in early days of his employment each employee was handed a slip of paper, on that paper was how much he was earning. And they were told not to reveal that information to anyone. He learned that during those days ( before they unionized ) that all the white workers, regardless of seniority, earned more than the black workers. Affirmative action and unionization changed that practice. Blacks are not inferior, and unfortunately we have to keep proving it, keep fighting for programs that even Clearance Thomas benefited from, and even today are still fighting for the right to vote in Republican controlled Red States. Turning down an opportunity on the basis that your boss had ulterior motives may sound noble, but in actuality it was an opportunity missed to help others and maybe sub plant the guy that promoted you. Being noble and righteous only works in church and the movies. When you have an opportunity to better yourself, you take the bull by the horns and go with it. Trust me when I say that white people do not labor under the same noble failings. Just look at Donald Trump, Mitt Romney. Not exactly self made men.

      • Germansmith says:

        Mr. Evans
        Terrible wrongs were done to black people for hundreds of years. It kind of draws a similar parallel to what was done to the Jews and abuses done to Asian people by whites.
        Hopefully, you do not judge all white people by Trump and Romney.
        My clients are pretty much a mixed bunch of races and religions and what they all share is a desire to work hard , do well and share their well being with their employees.
        I am not going to compare my life with the struggle of the black man (but try being a German-Cuban working for a Jew whose parents were killed in a concentration camp). In the long run, we never became great friends but we respected and liked each others.
        At the times wrong have been done to me, after a short initial bitterness, I always pride myself to be better than that and realize that my success was my best revenge.
        In the long run, I have to look myself in the mirror every morning and the only thing I ever regret in life was no marrying the millionaire girlfriend I had in high school that later became a soap opera star.

  4. sylvia tyler says:

    Yes! Margie Campbell people who sprout an opinion without informing themselves are very dangerous. They vote against their own interest. There are too many Americans like this. This is why the the Federal Gov, House and Senate can posture and not feel obligated to do the people’s work. Wake up America, the Gov should work for us not big cooperate interest. Clarence Thomas is a fraud and and a hypocrite.

  5. We’ll take the niggers & the chinks…but we WON’T take the irish!

    • Dominick Vila says:

      The Irish were not brought to this country in shackles, never felt the pain of a whip, never had to drink from a water fountain with a sign the red “Colored”, never had to walk to the back of a bus, were never told they could not go wherever they wished and could only attend certain institutions of learning, and did not spend their lives working in plantations that some people wish they still existed.
      Having said that, the Irish were also discriminated against, although for reasons different than the color of their skins.

      • glorybe2 says:

        From 1619 until well in the 1700s Irish slaves were far more common than black slaves. They sold for about 10% of what black slaves were sold for. The Irish did not do well in the southern heat. Forced breeding created the black-Irish which were better suited for labor in the southern climate. In those years the Irish were considered as hopelessly, worthless and almost useless.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          I was aware of some Irish being sold as slaves in British Commonwealth islands such as Trinidad, Barbados, Montserrat and Antigua, but I never heard they were sold in our Southern states. In fact, I was under the impression that the Irish, who did suffer various types of discrimination when they first arrived, were a major component of settlers in traditionally Catholic states such as Maryland and Massachusetts.

          • glorybe2 says:

            Islands in the West Indies and surrounding waters were split up between England,France, Spain,Holland and eventually the US as well. Most of the islands that were large enough to have ports functioned as slave markets designed to pump slaves into the US. As long as the slave markets made money they cared less about what races they sold. In Haiti some slaves even came in from India.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            Some were coolies from China. I am intimately familiar with the Caribbean region, having spent years there, and its history. I am surprised, however, about the statement regarding the sale of Irish “slaves” in the USA.

          • glorybe2 says:

            They were many times called indentured servants.Due to political woes many were also prisoners of the British who were sold outright as slaves. For some sick reasons the Irish were treated as the worst of all races. Even in the WWII era neither Hitler nor Stalin wished to accept Ireland in their plans for the post war world. Hitler remarked that they must not be exterminated as he considered them as white or Aryan but that they would never be of use to anyone. The Irish are a strange quirk in world history. The numbers of black folks in the US with Irish blood has to be super common as so many Irish were brought in prior to the American revolution.

      • Maggie Rae says:

        You are so right. It’s reall irritating when people try to compare the what happened / happens to Africans (and much later) Blacks in this country to other, at one time, minority groups. There is no comparison.

        • glorybe2 says:

          American Indians were far worse off than blacks. Blacks who made it to America as slaves were somewhat lucky in many cases. Local chiefs had some pretty savage ways of dealing with people they didn’t like and not being tortured to death was a benefit of being sale worthy. The next fact is that as a slave you could be sent anywhere. If I had to be a slave i think America was a better landing that being a slave in Morocco or Pakistan or numerous other places. We live in an awful, violent and sick world. Even here the treatment of blacks was so awful after the Civil War that many of those folks were better off before being freed.

          By the way i lived in Mississippi in 1950. I have seen black suffering big time.

          • Maggie Rae says:

            Glorybe, I have no idea why you are commenting on my post because I thought I made it clear: ” It’s real irritating when people try to compare what happened/happens to Blacks in this country to other (at one time) minority groups. There is no comparison.”
            You have a strange way of pretending to understand Black life in the U.S. :” We live in an awful, violent and sick world. Even here the treatment of blacks was so awful after the Civil War that many of those folks were better off before being freed.” What on earth is that supposed to mean? And I don’t anyone knows what “black suffering” is better than Black folks themselves. But I forgot, we can’t take their word for it, but we can take glorybe2’s word for it. Right? Right!
            And I have know idea what history books you are reading. You may want to check some other more reliable sources on slavery in the U.S. Can you tell me how many White Irish slaves were freed at the end of slavery? By the way, I don’t think anyone who knows U.S. History and who knows anything about the infamous Institution of Slavery in America can say with confidence: Your accounts of it are sound more like fantasy than fact. I feel sorry for the young school students today, they are not even being taught the history of slavery. That’s why we have so many young (and old) people denying that slavery ever existed in America.
            And please do me a favor and not tell me again who was worse off than Blacks in this country. I sure hope you’re not iin a position that influence or effect the very lives of Black people. If so, I feel for them.

      • glorybe2 says:

        That simply is not true. The Irish were often prisoners of the British and forced into slavery for trivial offenses. Just as Australia was populated with criminals the rural US was also built the same way. Georgia in particular is famous as being a convict state. As for those called indentured servants they often were also slaves. If you are on the frontier as an indentured servant who could you call if you were abused, violated or rented as a whore? And if you had a baby who owned it? How much could the master charge you for allowing you to keep and care for your baby. You can bet your last penny a lifetime of work without pay was upon you.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          There is a difference between prisoners, found guilty of alleged political or religious offenses, and the plight suffered by African Americans in the USA. You are absolutely correct in pointing our that many of the early colonists/settlers in Australian and in some part of the USA were convicts. Again, I believe there is a huge difference between an indentured servant and a slave.

    • old_blu says:

      Camp town ladies sing this song do da do da. Hahaha, that was an American classic.

  6. Sounds like Justice Thomas figures he got his and the h3ll with everyone else.

  7. RobertCHastings says:

    Perfect example of why Clarence Thomas very rarely says anything or writes an opinion. If his selection for the court was to replace Thurgood Marshall, the entire country lost on that one.

  8. suddencall says:

    If the Senate had done their job fairly C. Thomas would not be on the court today. There was to much doubt about him and the people not Thomas should have got the benefit of the doubt.The senate was wrong on their vote and they knew they were wrong.

  9. glorybe2 says:

    Slavery was a horror and put a stain upon our nation that will last forever. But what was done to black folks in the slave states when they were freed may have been worse than slavery. Crushing, over whelming poverty, combined with a lack of legal protection or rights put black people in deep misery and held them there. To some degree that same issue still exists today although the changes sine 1960 or so have been impressive. Freedom must mean more than being free to starve to death and be treated worse than a farm animal.

  10. Catskinner says:

    Affirmative action is just government sanctioned racism. Clarence Thomas knows that. The country is lucky to have him serving on the court.

  11. Benjamin Dix says:

    It’s a pity that some of us have not recognized that Clearence Thomas is a real idiot.

  12. irishtap says:

    Poor Clarence – just a white, extremist Klansman, in a black man’s body.

    • Fern Woodfork says:

      That’s Just Who He Is My Friend!! 🙁

    • old_blu says:

      You are absolutely right about that. I wonder if there’s a race change operation he could have, something like a sex change operation.

      • irishtap says:

        He once enquired about getting cells from his pre-frontal cortex transfused to his heart muscle, which in theory would cause him to ‘pink up a bit’. Doctors advised that such an overwhelming transfer of those ‘hypocrisy cells’ could result in a condition known as ‘cranium sinkhole” (head cave in). His white wife would prefer he remain the paradox and anomaly he is. She enjoys leading him around at party’s and telling guests: “Clarence always had a rare potential, I trained him to direct his disdain for his own minority status at Abraham Lincoln, the Kennedy’s and Martin Luther King. He’s been doing the heavy lifting for the GOP ever since. I’m so proud to be his owner I..I..mmmean his wife, yeah that’s what I meant”. Still there has been a few embarrassing moments, such as the White House Dinner for Nelson Mandela, when Clarence – getting a little irritable in waiting for dinner, mistook the guest of honor for a member of the wait staff and said, “Boy! Whatchu stand’n here talk’n to us regular folk like this – now get back in that kitchen and don’t come out unless you have an hors d’oeuvre tray over your head fool!’ “And don’t forget to bring your shoe shine kit!”

        • old_blu says:

          Hahaha you’re funny and right again, I might add I think it was a stink hole instead of a “sinkhole” : ))

  13. genodoc says:

    Framers did not anticipate a Justice unable to commmunicate in ANY way. He should be required to communicate or LEAVE the bench!!

  14. Gary L King says:

    Thomas shows is igorance again…AA is the reason that he holds the position he holds and compares it with Slavery???
    Thanks Clarence for setting the country back 160 years

  15. JulieZ77 says:

    Justice Thomas = Self loathing hypocritical houseboy for white supremacist elite.

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