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Friday, January 18, 2019

Going into the post-shutdown budget discussions, progressives should take the offensive with proposals that would fix problems with Social Security and Medicare without any cuts.

Republicans may not have succeeded in defunding the nation’s newest social insurance program, Obamacare, but they now are aiming at the foundational programs, Social Security and Medicare. And this time, they’ll have the president on their side. It would be a mistake for progressives to assume that a grand budget bargain will fall apart once again, even if that remains likely. Instead, we need to turn the debate from cutting social insurance to strengthening both the finances and benefits of both big retiree programs. The best way to do that is by championing simple, bold solutions.

In his post shutdown press conference, President Obama repeated his call for changes in Social Security and Medicare. His 2014 budget included cuts to benefits for both.  That aligns him with House Speaker John Boehner, who called for savings in Social Security and Medicare during the shutdown battle. Senators from both parties have shown their willingness to support benefit cuts as part of a big budget deal.

Yes, it is likely that the next attempt to reach an overall budget deal will also collapse, as the last ones have, particularly in the beginning of an election year. The biggest barrier to a bad deal up to now has been Democratic insistence, repeated on the same day as the president’s press conference by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, that tax hikes – with revenue coming from big corporations and the wealthy –be part of the deal. But if Republicans were willing to close some corporate tax loopholes – which some of their Tea Party members see correctly as examples of crony capitalism – Democrats would be under tremendous pressure from the president and others in their party to go along.

Progressives must rely on more than saying “hands off Social Security and Medicare,” although that should remain central to our message. We need a strong offense, to go with that potent defense. By putting forward simple, broadly popular, progressive proposals that actually enhance benefits and add money to Social Security and Medicare, we enable Democratic allies in Congress to set the agenda and counter claims that they are not taking action to address the real solvency problems. And we also help set the agenda for the inevitable future deal to address both programs’ financing.

Here are two simple, popular, powerful proposals. On Social Security, make the richest 5 percent of people pay into Social Security on all their earnings, just like 95 percent of workers now do. Use the new revenue to both boost Social Security benefits – which are too low – and extend the solvency of the Social Security Trust fund. On Medicare, slash the cost of prescription drug prices just like the Veterans Administration and all our global competitors do, saving hundreds of billions of dollars in the next decade.

The Social Security proposal has been introduced in both houses of Congress, with legislation by Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa (S.567) and Rep. Linda Sanchez of California (H.R.3118), which would boost benefits in two ways: changing the way benefits are calculated (designed to particularly help low- and moderate-income seniors) and changing the inflation adjuster Social Security uses to the CPI-E, which more accurately captures what seniors pay. This is exactly the opposite of the chained CPI proposed by President Obama, which under-counts what seniors typically purchase. The legislation raises the money to pay for the benefits and extends the Trust Fund by gradually removing the cap on earnings taxed by Social Security, which is $113,700 in 2013. Doing so would extend the period during which the Trust Fund has enough money to pay all benefits from 2033 to 2049.

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217 responses to “Block A Grand Bargain With Bold Progressive Solutions To Social Security And Medicare”

  1. idamag says:

    Certain factions don’t want to fix Social Security. There are those who are following Preston Bush’s advice when Social Security was first enacted n 1935. He said it was socialist and to do all possible to see that it was repealed. There are many more who want to see i privatized so their greedy benefactors can get their hands on that money. It can be fixed, but notice none of them want to fix it.

    • old_blu says:

      Oh I think they’ll fix it, there would be too many old people like me on their front step if they don’t, and it will be political suicide, to piss off that many old people.
      And what you say sounds a lot like what some are saying about the ACA now.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        It’s my boy Blu! What up Blu? How have you been? Long time no chat.

        Regarding your post, anyone with any sense of reality already knows that SS is a financial debacle… a Ponzi Scheme. Because we know this reality, we can now see how Preston Bush WAS CORRECT!!!!! It should have been repealed before it got going. Obozocare is no different. Just another Ponzi scheme designed to give government greater control over your resources and your life. It has nothing to do with healthcare. If that was the goal, there’s a lot of other ways to accomplish insuring the bottom rungs of society than creating multi-TRILLION dollar Ponzi schemes that put money and resources in government’s control.

        Have a nice day, my boy Blu!

        “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” — Milton Friedman

        “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner

        • cpbis says:

          Social Security has been considered the very best program developed by any country. The rest of the world envies us for having such a program. Without it the cost of care for seniors would sky rocket and death to many. Children would be forced to care for their elderly parents and/or grandparents. Social Security is a must for the USA.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            You wrote: “Social Security has been considered the very best program developed by any country. The rest of the world envies us for having such a program.”

            Who told you that the world envies us for our Ponzi Scheme? No one told you. You make up crap statements like every other leftist freak useful idiot does. Why would anyone want a program that is a fiscal disaster to the tune of TRILLIONS in unfunded liabilities? The only countries that like American SS are countries that want to see America’s demise.

            You wrote: “Without it the cost of care for seniors would sky rocket and death to many.”

            How they hell do you know? You don’t. More nonsense statements with no basis in fact from a useful idiot.

            You wrote: “Children would be forced to care for their elderly parents and/or grandparents.”

            Like personal and family responsibility is a bad thing? You pay your way. I’ll pay mine. I don’t expect you to pay for me. You don’t expect me to pay for you.

            You wrote: “Social Security is a must for the USA.”

            I don’t disagree. What we disagree on is HOW such a program is established and managed to the most benefit of citizens, NO politicians and government. Only a fool can look at our history of SS, and the fiscal disaster that is the program today, and suggest we keep doing the same. That’s insanity. And you know it.

            Have a nice day!

            “There is all the difference in the world, however, between two kinds of assistance through government that seem superficially
            similar: first, 90 percent of us agreeing to impose taxes on ourselves in order to help the bottom 10 percent, and second, 80 percent voting to impose taxes on the top 10 percent to help the bottom 10 percent — William Graham Sumner’s famous example of B and C decided what D shall do for A. The first may be wise or unwise, an effective or ineffective way to help the disadvantaged — but it is consistent with belief in both equality of opportunity and liberty. The second seeks equality of outcome and is entirely antithetical to liberty.”
            – Milton Friedman

          • Dominick Vila says:

            He knows because he remembers, or read about the plight of the elderly before Social Security and MEDICARE were created. Those who were not being supported by their children or grandchildren lived in misery and were unable to get the medical care they needed to survive. This is not a myth, it is a fact that most elderly people should be able to confirm based on historical evidence.
            SS and MEDICARE are no more of a Ponzi scheme than the insurance industry model. The difference is that they help millions of Americans get the sustenance and medical care they need without a middleman getting a cut of it without doing anything to earn it.
            As for how do we know that it would be more expensive to get a pension plan or medical care from private industry, all we have to do is compare what we pay into SS and MEDICARE and what we pay for MEDICARE Supplement insurance to for profit insurance companies. I pay the same in MEDICARE fees, which covers 80% of the hospital and doctor bills, as I pay to my insurance company for the remainder 20%.
            Many of the uninsured have been quoted astronomical premiums when they try to get individual or family coverage on their own (when their employers don’t offer a health plan or when they are small business owners). ACA gives them the option to join an exchange and bid as a large group, which judging by the results in states that have embraced ACA includes quotes that are about half of what they were before.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            There was a wonderful book back in the 80s about just how the insurance industry defrauds the government and customers. I can’t remember the name of the book or author. Stay tuned.

          • idamag says:

            “The Truth About Drug Companies.” “How they deceive you and what to do about it.” by Marcia Angell

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Thank you Ida…I do believe that’s the one.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Hey goes Bozo….SS is a Ponzi Scheme? What the hell do you call Gamblers on Wall Street like Madoff? Honest business men? You’re a certifiable loser with nothing to your credit in the way of accomplishment. It’s why you are so hateful and a disgusting pieces of immaterial flotsam in the sewer pits.

          • EF McHenry says:

            EXACTLY!!!! THE REAL PONZI SCHEME IS THE STOCK-MARKET!! HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!!! GOOD COMMENT

          • Ford Truck says:

            Turn off your cap locks and stop yelling!!

          • idamag says:

            Allk caps means you are yelling and your comments are too intelligent to be one of those who yell.

          • neeceoooo says:

            Or Mitt Romney, great example of a non-honest business man.

          • Lynnette Gentry says:

            Amen!! Just To Think If That Crooked Thug Was Our President!!!!!!!!! YIKES!!!! 🙁

          • Jim Myers says:

            You forgot to mention the close friend of President George W. Bush.

            Kenny Boy was great at making money for himself and his wealthy, politically connected friends.

            When Enron collapsed, it was the people who worked there, and the investors who were not in the loop, who lost everything.

            Are these the kinds of people we should be trusting with Social Security funds? I don’t think so.

          • plc97477 says:

            I wouldn’t trust them to mow my lawn or clean my bathroom.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The biggest disaster is that $35 trillion sitting untaxed in offshore tax free havens like Costa Rica….But let’s do take what people pay for so the rich asses can avoid paying their fair share…Like Rip Van Romo…now being investigated for RICO fraud along with his Bain Capital empire…The bigger they are…the harder they fall.

          • EF McHenry says:

            WHY DON’T YOU TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS CORPORATE BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!! SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT BROKE YOU STUPID MORON!! IT IS NOT A UNFUNDED LIABILITY!! IT IS BEING USED A LENDING INSTITUTE FOR THE MILITARY/PENTAGON AND MASSIVE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES LIKE THE DEPT OF TRANSPORTATION, DEPT OF EDUCATION, EPA ETC ETC ETC. THE CORPORATE LIBERTARIAN FRAUDS LIKE PAUL RYAN WANT TO USE PAYROLL TAXES FOR INCOME TAX SHORT-FALL!! YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A IGNORANT FOOL WHO LISTENS TO LYING CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO, OR YOU’RE A LYING PIECE OR GARBAGE!!!!

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Eleanor???? Is that you wearing a man’s clothing????

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Obozo wears a “Come Get Me” dress when he hides himself in the McMansion basement of his parents.

          • old_blu says:

            I love those dresses, and the matching shoes, thanks for spoiling that for me.
            Now I have to wash my eyes out with bleach and hope that picture will go away. Hahaha

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            rofl…ooooh nooooo Please no bleach in the eyes. Some pictures remain in memory longer than we want…roflmao

          • Ed says:

            Obozo: No, EF McHenry is not Eleanor Whit !!
            EF is really Fern Woodford (really Fernando Woodcock, a crazy faggot who likes to make people believe that he is a female nurse !)
            Didn’t you notice his choice of words ? (that’s because he can only spell words that are shorter than 4 letters; did you notice what happened to him when he tried to spell “midget”? (came out as “MIDGIT”!! Poor slob …

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Ed… I don’t know who is more stupid, the crackwhore of The Memo Fern or Eleanor Shitaker??? You’re digging the bottom of the barrel with those 2 idiots… clearly!

          • infadelicious says:

            I think Ferny is one of HELLenore Whitaker’s many personalities. Her most prevalent one is the intelligent,beautiful, feminine and strong woman who is pursued by imaginary middle aged, white, fat gutted, racist, bull males who want to dominate her.. She calls them “boi” which means a younger man who likes older men, or to a lesbian it means a butchy lookin female. Why is she obsessed with bois? I don’t want to know. Not sure why she keeps projecting her fantasies on here, but she does. She also has anger issues which is displayed by her vulgar language. I wish her the best in her/his treatment. Frankly, I think she is too far gone

          • dpaano says:

            EF: It’s been used frequently by our politicians for their “pork” projects. This is especially true with our Southern GOP Congressmen & women. Unfortunately, they fail to pay it back, nor is there any interest being charged on said “loan.”

          • omgamike says:

            I’ll be Milton Friedman married Ayn Rand, and Obozo was born after being oxygen deprived for too long.

            I’ll take Keynes and Paul Krugman over your Friedman — and I’ll even throw in Elizabeth Warren as a bonus.

            You expect Americans to trust putting their retirement lives in the hands of corporate America? Are you nuts? SS has over a 2 trillion dollar cushion, if we could ever get all those thieving politicians to give back what they stole from the fund to help balance their budgets over the years.

            And where are your facts to back up all your ridiculous and outrageous statements? Please go trolling somewhere else. We are tired of listening to your mindless rants.

          • highpckts says:

            You have a nice day, you of little empathy and knowledge of what makes us great!!

          • Susan Love says:

            The reason it is a fiscal disaster is because our government looted it to finance the Viet Nam war. Then it was looted again, and again. Had it been left alone there would be a surplus. The “notes” they signed when they looted it are only good for toilet paper. And there was a law that said it couldn’t be looted. So much for the law. The program would have worked fine if not for this.

          • dpaano says:

            Susan: As I said above, you can thank LBJ for changing that law about plundering the SS fund….

          • jointerjohn says:

            Rude AND stupid is no way to go through life son.

          • mandinka says:

            Must not have any newspapers where you live…

          • william jones says:

            Guess what Dan M Ketter (aka mandinka) did for his country. He proudly served in the Air Force….as a man servant to a general, pouring him coffee and caddying on the golf course. During Vietnam, old danno was risking his life on the base greens and fairways while American soldier and airmen were fighting. For his “recreational” services to his country, ole danno was rewarded a big fat government pen$ion and
            di$ability…all funded by the u.s. taxpayers. It helps pay his
            internet bill. He didn’t even wear a military uniform, but just
            tuxedo’s and polo shirts. That’s a real American hero story!

          • idamag says:

            And I knew one elderly person whose stay in the hospital would have cost $700.000 if Medicare had not paid it. Do you think that some of them would be happy to pay their parents’ hospital bills? Or, would they be happy to just let them die.

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          The same ultra rightwing crap from Bozo: Cut all benefits, especially Social Security, Medicare and Medicare. Raise taxes on the middle class and poor and eliminate them on the rich.
          When the revolution comes and the rich get slaughtered for the amusement of the mob, wring your hands and blame the whole thing on the unwashed lower classes (i. e. anybody who’s not rich).

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            CPA…. you’re fantasy of the proletariat rising up against the bourgeoise is old and trite.

            Have a nice day!

            “The goal of socialism IS communism.” – Vladimir Lenin

            “Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You’ll be first in line for guillotining, Bozo.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            not hardly, CPA… they usually go for the useful idiots who helped them first. The reason is that the useful idiots who supported the fantasy of socialism become violent when they realize they’ve been duped. So they are killed first.

            Have a nice day!

            “Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
            and car keys to teenage boys.” — P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Giving a Bozo a voice is like trying to clean a manhole and sewer with a rake.

          • infadelicious says:

            is that what you shower with? a rake? TMI Eleanore

          • Allan Richardson says:

            They got Louis and Marie Antoinette pretty quickly. Remember the line in Mel Brooks’ “History of the World, Part I” attributed to his King Louis character? His chamberlain came into his bedroom warning, “Sire, the peasants are revolting!” Louis replied, “Yes, they certainly are!”

            Is that your attitude toward people who fall on hard luck? Including those who are BORN into hard luck?

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            I loved that movie, Allan. Great stuff. Mel Brooks was awesome.

            That being said, I have no attitude toward those that have fallen on hard luck, and in fact have helped a good number of those in my lifetime. If more of us did that, we’d realize that the absolute worst place for charity is with the federal government. We’d also realize that we don’t need the feds to handle our charity. This would be a good thing.

            BTW…. There are countless examples in America of people BORN into hard luck and who make HUGE successes of themselves. Far more than anywhere else on planet earth.

            The difference between you and me is this: You want equality of OUTCOMES. I want equality in LIBERTY and nothing else.

            Have a nice day, Allan!

            “Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one
            word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            That’s not attitude of Infa and Bozo…It’s sociopathic schizoid mental illness. They do hide it well don’t they?

          • infadelicious says:

            thanks for the diagnosis, Dr. man repellent……..and try to bone up on a little english….”that’s not attitude of Infa and Bozo”?? you type like a shaved ape.

          • idamag says:

            Every US citizen has his hand out. The government subsidized the oil companies and does not charge them taxes to keep the cost of gasoline down. So everytime a person fills up his tank, his hand is out for government money.Farmers are subsidized so everytime a person buys a bag of potatoes, his hand is out.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Yadda, yadda, yadda.

          • Wayne Boling says:

            Do you really believe what you comment about? There would be alot more money in SS and Medi if other POTUS didnt borrow from it, and 2 if more people were working to pay into it, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, How many years have Insurance Companies been ripping off the people? An drugs, how come Canada can sell drugs so cheap? along with Mexico?, The only comments you comment on are BS it can and will be fixed

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            What are you talking about? I’ve not read such confused, ungrammatical crap since Bozomustgo’s last posting.

          • Wayne Boling says:

            You know dam well what Im talking about, you must be a reperb or tea man, and what planet are you from?, you mean to tell me no POTUS took money out of SS? and no, Im a non affiliated party, its in the history books, read you mite learn something

          • dpaano says:

            Wayne: Money has been taken out of the Social Security Fund since President Johnson okay’d it to become part of the general fund. The government owes the SS fund a great deal of money; however, if it ever gets paid back, it’ll be with taxpayer’s money, which is the only problem. We can always thank LBJ for allowing our government to plunder the SS fund at their whim!!
            As a note, the President doesn’t have the ability to take money out of the SS Fund without Congress sending him a bill requesting him to do so…..quit blaming President Obama for everything when it is the fault of ALL our politicians in Congress!

          • EF McHenry says:

            YOUR STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE REEKS…. YOU READ A FEW BOOKS AND GOT IMPRESSED LIKE YOU KNOW SOMETHING YOU STUPID IDIOT!
            YOUR PAUL RYAN’S TED CRUZ’S MIKE LEES’ HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH CORPORATE OBAMA THAN YOU THINK!
            CENTRAL PLANNING????
            TOP DOWN????
            COLLECTIVISM????
            MONOPOLY????
            FORCE????
            UNEARNED BENEFIT AND WELFARE????
            ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            WHY DON’T YOU LOOK UP CORPORATISM YOU FOOL!! THERE IS NO SOCIALISM IN AMERICAN!!! THE MEDIA PLAYS A HEGELIAN DIALETIC, REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY, AND HAS DUPED EVERYONE INCLUDING IDIOTS LIKE YOU THAT CAN’T FIGURED IT OUT! YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A MENTAL MIDGIT THAT READ A COUPLE OF BOOKS AND THINKS THEY GOT IT FIGURED OUT!!
            HEY STUPID, YOU CAN’T EVEN MAINTAIN AND VOLUNTARY LIBERTARIAN SOCIETY WITHOUT THE USE OF FORCE!! IT WILL COLLAPSE! PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT STUPID……….

          • kmkirb says:

            Great comments, but could you please stop shouting. You’re hurting my ears & my eyes, ouch 🙂

          • Ed says:

            e F!
            First learn spelling and learn to write; then you won’t be calling intelligent people “MIDGITS”

        • oldtack says:

          Obozo – long time absense from our scene. Question – who in hell is Preston Bush?

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Hey Old. How’s my old buddy doing? Long time no chat.

            Re: your question… It’s a response to idamag’s reference to that name in his post that started this thread. He may have intended to refer to Prescott Bush, GHWB’s father, but I’m not sure he was in Congress in the 30’s. It’s actually not germane to the point, however.

            Have a nice day, old!

            “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)

          • EF McHenry says:

            DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU’RE SMART NAME-DROPPING AND QUOTING FROM EVERYBODY ELSE??? USE YOUR BRAIN YOU IDIOT!!! YOU COULDN’T EVEN ENFORCE “NATURAL LAW” WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!! IT’D BE THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE!!
            GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND TAKE A CLASS IN LOGIC & REASON AND THEN GO BACK AND RE-READ YOUR LIBERTARIAN IDOLS WHO LIVE IN A UTOPIAN DREAM WORLD

          • idamag says:

            The forerunner of the libertarian party was the fascist party. The forerunner of the t-party was the John Birch Society until the Koch brothers decided to fund it.

          • Emily Dale says:

            As I said above Preston Bush was the father of Bush I and grandfather of Bush II. He was also a crony of Adolph Hitler and the Saudi royal family, whose friendship the Bush dynasty has carried into the present date.

          • oldtack says:

            His name was PRESCOTT BUSH

          • Mark Forsyth says:

            Prescott Bush assisted the finance and management of the Nazi empire–the so called Hitler project.He was later implicated along with the Morgans and Duponts in a conspiracy to enact a military coup upon the F.D.R. administration and replace it with a fascist regime.P.Bush and his forebears as well as his offspring became rich in the illegal Chinese opium trade.Nothing but fascist Nazi drug pushers.

          • oldtack says:

            You are right on on this well kept secret.

          • Mark Forsyth says:

            And you can bet that the Bush family doesn’t talk about either one.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Obozo’s stupidity…Prescott Bush, a Bush uncle (Bush 41’s brother) started W.A. Harriman & Co. in 1926 and later became a managing partner in Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott’s son (Bush ’43’s cousin) became closely associated with Asset Management Management International Financing and Settlement Limited (tied to Wall Street).

        • Mark Forsyth says:

          Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme.The reality: The Social Security Trust Fund actually is one of the largest creditors of the U.S. Treasury.The system was designed this way to ensure that Social Security would be invested only in the worlds safe instrument– paper issued by the U.S.Treasury.The special issue Treasury notes are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.If that should suffer then you can lay the blame on those who even now continue to promote a government shutdown that would reduce the U.S.credit rating.

        • old_blu says:

          Hey Bozo sorry it takes me so long to get back to you there are a lot of broken cars up here in the NW, and my shop is going like gang busters.
          I don’t think SS is the best system, but after I’ve, and everyone else has been paying into it for 30+ years if they screw with it now we’re going to be pissed, I realize that you can make more in the private sector but some don’t put money away, maybe because they can’t afford it I don’t know, but they will need something to keep them from eating cat food in their later years.
          Also when the market tanked in 08 I lost 61% of mine and my wife’s 401’s if I would have been trying to retire then I would’ve been in trouble, thankfully I’ve recouped most of it back now. And thank you Obama for that.
          Getting a little long winded here, I’m the poster boy for a liberal, so about the ACA we need something so everyone has health care I don’t think that anyone would even be addressing it if it weren’t for the ACA being implemented, maybe it won’t be what we wind up with, but at least now we’ll have something.
          Sorry so long winded, but my wife won’t let me talk at home. : ))
          Have a great day Bozo, and you know I mean that.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            It’s my boy, Blu! What up Blu?

            Broken cars, shmoken cars. Leave those alone. hehehehe

            Hey, I have a broken nut on my exhaust manifold and my Expedition sounds a little like a Harley when it’s cold. Can you fix that?

            Re: SS… I know you’d be pissed if they took it away, but weren’t the investors with Bernie Madoff pissed? Of course they were. That doesn’t mean they get all their money back, unfortunately. And there’s no way the taxpayer should be picking up the tab, either. I suppose what I’m saying, Blu, is that you older generation people have been duped. You really have. Knowing this, you should support some form of a gradual transition from what we have today to a fully funded private system where politicians can’t put their damned hands on our money. I don’t understand why any reasonable person could not support people having control over their own money. I get why the leftist freaks don’t want people to control their own money…. because they think everyone else is too stupid and they’d rather government take care of everyone. But that’s only about 20% of the population that thinks that way. Unfortunately, the DemonRATS demagogue the idea and scare the hell out of seniors. But that doesn’t change the truth.

            What I propose is not unreasonable. Others have done proposed the same or similar. And we either do it now, or the whole system collapses like all Ponzi schemes do.

            And BTW… your wife won’t let you on when you are home? Hey, Blu… who wears the trousers in your house?

            Have a great weekend, Blu!

            “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        When you pay for something, you usually do expect something for what you paid for. Only the porker states are the country’s biggest freeloaders. They live off federal SSDI and then bitch about seniors who paid for 5 decades into SS and call that “entitlement.” 401Ks are also entitlements because they are payroll deductions that have ROI at some point in the future…I believe the age for roll out of 401Ks is 72. So we are going to have a lot of 72 year olds in 2020 wishing they had kept their fat yaps shut about SS when Wall Street does in their 401Ks.

        • mandinka says:

          Except Barak wants 401K to be taxed every year as a means to pay for Headstart, welfare foodstamps and free college tuition

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Mandinka…Wrong Liar! I guess you are trying to erase WHO really wanted 401Ks taxes…George W. Bush. He stated this in the 4 and only 4 public addresses he made in 8 years. Tax on SS, Medicare and 401Ks….Now, do you think it’s possible to man up on that? Bush announced this in 2006 and it was always the idea of the GOP to get their syrupy mitts on 401Ks by taxing them. Note, however, that at that time over $33 trillion of their rich ass bois moolah was sitting in offshore tax free havens grossly untaxed as it still remains today. Oh..and while you’re at it, how about those nice 2001 tax cuts handed to corporations doing business offshore? That be a burr in your butt too?

    • Emily Dale says:

      Preston Bush was a crony of Adolph Hitler. the family is very cozy with the Saudis as well. ‘Nuff said.

    • Mark Forsyth says:

      The Nazi hate of Socialism and Communism is well documented.So there is no mystery concerning Prescott Bush’s demented attitude concerning Social Security.One might think that he would have at least admired the SS initials since he helped in finance and management with the Nazi regime.
      The Nazi fascists calling themselves National Socialists Workers Party was an excellent public hoodwink that enabled their coercion to seem more palatable.Despite their hate for each other both fascists and communists were and are totalitarian.While Democracy by its very nature is social.
      Control freaks hate it!

    • mandinka says:

      and the socialist fix to tax people more to pay for those who don’t work or are here illegally. Barak Obama Sr has stated that SS must end so that a real communist revolution can take place in the US

  2. Dominick Vila says:

    Those who propose privatizing Social Security and dismantling MEDICARE might as well start packing their bags, because their political careers are over. Nothing will energize senior citizens and drive them to the polls like eliminating the social programs they depend on for sustenance.
    Social Security remains solvent, and will remain solvent for many years to come, if the contribution cap is raised from $106K to $250K or higher, and the retirement age is raised by 2 years. Allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the USA as permanent residents (green cards), like President Reagan did in 1986 when he gave amnesty to five million of them, would help strengthen both programs by increasing the contributor/beneficiary ratio.
    MEDICARE would be more effective if it can bargain for RX across state lines.
    The slash and burn approach proposed by the GOP is not a solution. If it is implemented it will destroy the tenuous social fabric that allows millions of Americans to live with a modicum of dignity, it would force their children to take care of their elderly parents and grand parents at a time when they have trouble making ends meet, and it would result in consequences that most rational people would never consider.

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      Hi Dommy! How are you? I hope you are well, my fried.

      You and I have a major disagreement on this matter…. you are once again delusional. The fact that you are a government dependent who buys the lies of the SS Ponzi Scheme should not sheild you from the realities of mathematics. Fact is that anyone 47 years or younger will NEVER see SS payments returned. You’ll likely be dead by then (I hope not) and not have to suffer the consequences of your generational greed. Your grandchildren, however, will be the ones who pay an ever increasing price with increasingly negative returns. The plain fact of the matter is that SS funds have been nothing but slush funds for politicians to blow for their own purposes, all the while selling you on the lies while simultaneously robbing your pocket. The only true solution, if you believe in government forced savings, is to allow individuals control over their own retirement. There is no other way.

      We don’t have to look far to see how this works. Back in 1980, Chile instituted a SS system that offered citizens a choice: private SS or government SS. More than 90% of Chileans today choose the private SS. The returns of the private SS have averaged triple the government SS year over year over year. And the best part is that politicians CANNOT get their hands on the private citizens resources. Perhaps it is this aspect of privatization that you despise?

      I am at least somewhat encourage by your admission that SS needs reform. Too bad that you cannot see why the reforms you speak of are needed. Your proposed resolution does nothing to address the rotting foundations of the SS Ponzi Scheme, but only prolongs the inevitable collapse. A system that requires new “investors” to keep coming in in order to pay those going out is a failure from the start. No one in their right mind would support such a notion, except a politician seeking to get his hands on more of your money for his own gain. Too bad so many Americans have been duped by this lie over the years.

      One other point…. you wrote ” it would force their children to take care of their elderly parents and grand parents” ……. HELLLOOOOO!!!!! This is called personal responsibility in the real world. This should be encouraged. Dependency on government should be discouraged. I know that is anathema to you, but it’s the only real solution.

      All that being said, we cant cut people off of SS today. What is needed is a gradual, generational transition away from the Ponzi scheme of SS so that the youngest workers coming in to the workforce can opt out of SS. Ability to opt out is graduated with age. Over time, the politicians lose out on their ability to rob Americans of their retirement and ultimately the Ponzi Scheme is put to rest in graveyard of history where it belongs.

      Have a nice day, Dommy!

      “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)

      • Dominick Vila says:

        I depend on my former employer’s pension and savings to meet most of my needs. Unfortunately, that is not the case for those who struggle all their lives trying to make ends meet, living paycheck to paycheck. Their main source of income when they retire is Social Security, and they depend on MEDICARE to cover their medical bills. Neither of those programs is welfare, and insinuating that those who benefit from them depend on government handouts is not only offensive, it is false. All American worker pay FICA taxes throughout their professional lives, and retirees continue to pay hefty MEDICARE fees after they retire.
        Those programs were built using the traditional insurance company model, which relies heavily on actuarial studies and rely on having young, healthy, members to offset the additional costs incurred when we age…without a middleman who ads nothing to the efficiency or cost effectiveness of the system
        That, by the way, is also the model used for ACA.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          Thanks for your response, Dommy! A few points:

          1) The fact is that SS is a Ponzi Scheme. There is no getting around that simple fact. There is no trust fund. The register is empty. The burden of SS benefits for one person has been slowly being reduced to fewer and fewer workers, making the burden on the individual worker ever worse every year.The program should be scrapped gradually over time. There is no other way.

          2) No one suggests the poor or disabled go homeless and without care. We need a safety net, of course, but the unfortunately, the safety net has become a hammock for everyone else.

          3) Medicare was NEVER intended to be compulsory for the elderly. Instead, it’s original intent was to assist the poorest and disabled. Like a goverment goodie programs, it has consumed everyone and everything into it like a black hole. It needs to be reformed, as well.

          4) The fact is that if we had SS where the contributions went into private retirment accounts from the time we start working, there wouldn’t be people retiring that did not have retirement funds available. Do you understand this? Instead, what we have no are people who believe they are entitled to the earnings of another person through the government run program that is broke and going more broke every day as 10K baby boomers retire. Do you get it? You’re advocating for a system that is proven as a loser system. I think you do this because of your need to have faith in government, despite the evidence accumulated against such a notion.

          5) Chileans are smart to distrust government. Americans for most of our history distrusted government. Our Founders distrusted government. Every human on earth should distrust government. If they did, we may not have had the rise of the murderous socialist tyrants of the 20th century that killed hundreds of millions of humans. And I can assure you that the Chileans are the most happy with their retirment system of all others in the world. Go to Chile and try suggesting that the people turn over their retirement accounts to the government. Then go to the emergeny after getting your face punched in by thousands of people. That would be like suggesting that Americans turn over their 401K’s or pensions to government. Will fly like a lead balloon, and you know it.

          Have a nice day, Dommy!

          “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ―
          Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

          • EF McHenry says:

            YOU’RE NOT ONLY STUPID YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!
            SOCIALISM??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? OUR CURRENT GOVT IS RUN BY CORPORATIONS AND AIDED & ABETTED
            BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA!!
            People, This Guy just spews out Blather and thinks he’s smart for doing it!
            1)We have a Nation Building Military Industrial Complex that is being used as a tool of Globalization And multi-Billion dollar contracts to Security contractors etc that is tax free since it happens off-shore!!
            2)We have a rise is the POLICE STATE!! Federal Govt agencies pass rules and regulation and codes and standards and policies that roll down to the states that roll down to the municipalities and run our lives!!! HE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THIS
            THIS GUY IF A CORPORATE FRAUD!!!
            3)Corporations love govt!!! AND THEY INFLUENCE IT AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!! HOW SO????
            a)Campaign contributions
            b)Lobbying
            and the most important of all and their end game, Corporations
            c)Captured Regulatory Agencies
            Captured Regulatory Agencies is the End Goal of Corporate interest in America!!! It is Antithetical to laissez-faire free market capitalism since regulations are meant to capture market share by huge corporations who have declared WAR on smaller businesses. The idea here is a lobby group from say the transportation industry like the ATA(American Trucking Asssociation)which represents corporate trucking businesses will lobby a regulatory sub-agency like the FMCSA that falls under the DOT(Dept of Transportation) for a rule that attacks labor like the drivers within the industry or a rule that attacks Owner Ops(Independents). The rule is meant to encumber the competition so as to drive them out of business etc!! This kind of thing has led to conglomerates, monopolies, mergers, acquisitions etc in business!! It is NOT FREE-MARKET and ASSHOLES LIKE YOU SAY NOTHING ABOUT IT!!
            FOLKS THIS GUY IS A FRAUD!! PEDDING OUT-DATED POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY. FOLKS THIS PERSON HIDING BEHIND OBOZOMUSTGO IS A CORPORATE PLANT AND A FRAUD!! OR HE’S SOME KID THAT READ A FEW BOOKS FROM POPULAR CHARISMATIC LIBERTARIANS AND THINKS HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY!!!

          • Emily Dale says:

            Please–no shouting! I want to read what you are saying, but you are too loud for it not to be annoying.

          • EF McHenry says:

            Well I apologize for getting a little too loud. It’s just that I’m so tired of people like this obozomustgo person whoever he or she is. I spent many yrs arguing with people like that and I guess I’m starting to get sick of them. So sorry about all the heat

          • plc97477 says:

            Just keep in mind that he is not making anyone believe his total BS and let it go. Most of us on this rant can think with more than our penis and know better.

          • Emily Dale says:

            Thanks. I really liked what you said, despite the heat. I can understand your frustration.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            EF McDummy…. just got to your post a few days later. (I get so many I cannot keep up with them all).

            I have no idea what you are SCREAMING about. You obviously have NOT read any of my prior writings. This will shock you.

            You and I do not disagree! I agree with every point you made above, especially the part about regulation being the friend of big business to prevent competition. If you followed my posts over time, and I don’t expect you to, but if you did, you’d note that the only solution to keeping the influence of big business out of government is the make government irrelevant to them. That is, make it small and make it live precisely within the bounds of our Constitution. Everything else they do only creates more opportunity for corruption.

            Have a nice day! And stop screaming for Pete’s sake!

            “The great danger to the consumer is the monopoly — whether private or governmental. His most effective protection is free
            competition at home and free trade throughout the world. The consumer is protected from being exploited by one seller by the existence of another seller from whom he can buy and who is eager to sell to him. Alternative sources of supply protect the consumer far more effectively than all the Ralph Naders of the world.” – Milton Friedman

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Regarding your number four: That’s what Dubya Bush proposed and it failed to garner much support. For now, throw a little dirt on it and check it in the morning.

            People seem to draw the line at pensions when putting money with stockbrokers and subjecting it to the vagaries of the market.
            Another factor may have been disillusionment with Dubya after he and his rich neocon buddies euchered us into the Iraq war and destroyed the economy, throwing away a nice comfortable surplus.

          • plc97477 says:

            Baby bush also threw a monkey wrench in the economy and turned the stock market into the biggest loser. The stock market is too scary to rely on for your retirement.

      • cpbis says:

        I recall these similar words in the mid-1960’s. It never happened. By the way, SS is not an entitlement since we have all “invested” in it with our tax dollars. When you consider allowing people to invest in their futures on their own they seldom do, they want their money now and want to spend it now. When they retire they have little to nothing. What happens then?

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          Obozomustgo doesn’t care about “what happens then?” He fancies himself as a rough, tough individualist who pulled himself up by his bootstraps, etc., etc,. His motto is: If you didn’t achieve what I did, then starve and die, but please do so quietly.
          History is replete with characters like obozomust go. In some countries, such as France and Russia, their deaths make interesting reading for historians.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        You are proving just how much your mind is always on money, money, money….Hopefully, you’ll have no selfish, self-centered, narcissistic spawn to worry about. As for the rest of us…We are quite fed up with your kind always trying to get blood from taxpaying turnips. Give up the damn tax cuts you all lust after every 4 years and those fat ass tax subsidies up the wazoo…When WE pay taxes, we pay for the programs WE want. If you don’t, move your ass to North Korea where your humming bird brain won’t be allowed to overload your cow sized mouth.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        Do you suppose Chile’s problems had SOMETHING to do with Reagan having our CIA assassinate their LEGALLY, DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT (Salvador Allende) and install a MILITARY DICTATOR (Augusto Pinochet), who proceeded to make thousands of citizens (whose votes were nullified by bullets) disappear with no trial?

        Do you think that kind of thing can affect an economy, maybe?

        By the way, Eisenhower did the same thing to Iran in 1953, which may explain part of their hatred of our foreign policy.

      • omgamike says:

        I can just see the looks on people’s faces under your proposed retirement scheme. Imagine this privatized program being up and running and then suddenly the 2008 financial collapse comes along and all their retirement monies are suddenly gone. All caused by ‘private’ individuals who ran amok for years, screwing the private sector. No thanks. I’ll stick with the government run programs, where the corporation have no opportunity to rob me (rob me worse than politicians do).

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          mike… you’re demonstrating what an ignorant idiot you are. How’d you get to be so old without wandering out into traffic?

          FACT: 2 people who started working the same day in the same year, were paid identical their whole 40 year careers, and retire today would have nearly triple the total retirment nest egg than if they did the SS Ponzi Scheme. If the private person just put it all in an S&P 500 index fund, their return over the last 40 years would be just under 7% average annual return where the SS person that has “their money” (which they don’t really) placed in government bonds. Their return would have been only 2.4% per year. Now, the S&P figures INCLUDE every single up and down and crash and gain over the 40 years.

          You may continue to be a stupid as you want, but anyone else reading this, especially younger people, look up the facts yourself.

          Oh…. one more thing mike… in the private account scenario, you die and your family or charity of your choice gets the money. With SS, the government gets it. Isn’t that odd? The politicians sold you a Ponzi schem where the government is the real beneficiary. Hmmmmmmmmm….

          Keep on believing in the hoax tootsie pop! They’ll keep smiling in your face and thanking you for the votes and contributions while they rob you blind in your back pocket. But hey, you FEEL good about it so it’s OK, right?

          Have a nice day!

          “In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.” — Voltaire (1764)

          • omgamike says:

            Wrong, because those people’s retirement funds got chopped by over 50% in 2008. Yep, they did real good for themselves. The last place any sane person would put their money is in the stock markets. The government might offer a much lower ROI, but is also the safest place in the world. I’ll take SS any day before I trust the markets.

            Have a nice day.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Dont be foolish mike. Stock market data is among the most available information on planet earth. Not only that, but an Obozo zombie like you should be claiming that the S&P has more than doubled since the low in 08/09.

            Here’s a link to the S&P chart:

            https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXSP%3A.INX&ei=3QNoUqjyG8eB0QHRowE&hl=en

            When you open it, click on the “All” option for choices of chart time. That will show you the 40 year chart. Even with crashes, the return is hugely more attractive the government bonds.

            One other question for you mike. You don’t appear to be financially literate, so I’ll help you. What do you think happens to the value of bonds when interest rates rise? That’s right. The value plummets. The Fed’s been artificially keeping interest rates low for a long time. They cant really go lower than zero. So they can only go up. Also, the amount of debt that America has is in excess of $17T. When do you think investors in US bonds are going to start questioning our ability to pay off our debts and start charging higher interest rates for riskier loans to an insolvent government? Hmmmmmm…. when that happens, that is the day that, if you are alive, you will realize what I am telling you and you will be awakened to the hoax you been duped by. God forbid.

            Have a nice day, mike!

            “There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation…
            One is by sword…
            The other is by debt.”
            John Adams 1826

          • plc97477 says:

            If anyone but Obama had won in 2008 the stock market could still be dropping.

          • idamag says:

            I did put money in the stock market for retirement. I lost it during the bush years. Also a portion of my retirement was subsidized by Enron. You can guess what happened to that.

          • omgamike says:

            So, I’m guessing you probably aren’t real keen on privatizing SS either. My landlord lost half a mil in 2008 when everything crashed. I was the Justice Department would start trying those a-holes and putting them in prison — and that is after they take everything they own from them. They could start with Mittens, just for the sake of ridding us of him, just for general purposes. Obozo and his remarks tick me off. And I do try real hard to be calm and professional with these trolls. But patience has it’s limits.

      • Mark Forsyth says:

        So why don’t you propose a plan to prevent the raping of the S.S. fund and the prosecution of those who have done so thus far.Certainly repayment of those funds would increase S.S. solvency and eliminate the Ponzi scheme argument.Given that stance though,why not scream about other insurance being Ponzi schemes? On the surface at least,it would seem that the insurance cos. require more and more customers in order to offer lower premium rates plus they carry the burden of paying investors as well as claimants.Folks don’t get kicked off Social Security but they sure do lose their insurance coverage for one thing and another.
        Rather than go through all the useless mental gymnastics condemning Social Security, why not work to protect your investment? You will have much more luck if you do and you will have no more luck than Prescott Bush did in your efforts to dismantle it.Cast away your fear.It is a terrible way to live and I am most sure that Social Security will be strong and secure when it’s your turn to collect.I can also guarantee that you will be damn glad to have it when it comes time for you to collect.Work with your political constituents and your vote to protect S.S. and your account will be safer than your money in the bank.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          Mark, you wrote: “So why don’t you propose a plan to prevent the raping of the S.S. fund and the prosecution of those who have done so thus far.” My response is that I have and will continue to advocate that politicians be legally blocked from any access to SS funds through debt or other budgetary trickory.

          Regarding private insurance being a Ponzi scheme… not true at all. You see, when you pay your homeowners insurance, the insurance company is basically taking free money and only giving it back to you if the covered risks happen. To reduce their risks against not having the money to pay you, the insurance companies INVEST that money in the markes and with companies. This allows them to make significant returns. Doing so over a large pool of people not only spreads the risks, but also radically reduces costs because the insurance company is making significant market returns on premiums paid to it. This is why Warren Buffett loves to own insurance companies. He calls them the best businesses in the world.

          Regarding “protecting your investment”…. how could your investment of your own earnings be more protected than in your own hands? And don’t give me the usual leftist line about how everyone else is too stupid and only the smart bureaucrats are able to do for them what they cannot do for themselves. If we are required to pay into SS in every paycheck, and our employers match that, all that needs to happen is for those monies to be deposited in private SS accounts and NOT government accounts. Same laws apply. you can’t touch it until 66. But if you should pass before then, whatever is in there goes to your heirs. And government never has to touch your retirement. The most basic investment math demonstrates that if all a person did was buy the S&P 500 every year, they would have nearly 3 times as much retirement money as they would get under government SS. And the best part is that the government would not be putting the taxpayers in the future on the hook for TRILLIONS in debt owed today. But like I said, to do this would require a gradual generational transition so those that are dependent now are not hurt and those just entering the workforce are screwed by the system.

          Anyone that screams and protests about any proposed changes in SS, and then demagogues the issue to scare seniors is a scumbag. The fact is that we must have a rational, adult conversation about the calamity facing this program. All but the most ideologically committed are capable of understanding the mathematical problems here.

          Have a nice weekend, Mark!

          “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs
          by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      I hope that you’re right, because Obama appears to be willing to reduce Social Security and Medicare benefits to fund Obamacare.

  3. ObozoMustGo says:

    Years of
    Math 1950 – 2013

    1. Teaching Math In 1950s

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?

    2. Teaching Math In 1960s

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

    3. Teaching Math In 1970s

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?

    4. Teaching Math In 1980s

    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

    5. Teaching Math In 1990s

    A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok.)

    6. Teaching Math In 2009

    Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?

    7. Teaching
    Math In 2013

    Who cares, just steal the lumber from your rich neighbor’s property. He won’t have a gun to stop you, and the President says it’s OK anyway because it’s redistributing the wealth.

    • infadelicious says:

      may I add one more?
      8. teaching math in 2016.
      我们都是中国人现在

    • whodatbob says:

      Dreamer! That sort of BS is funny but ridicules. Try living in the real world.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        Ridicules??? Not at all.

        You’re a moron and a useful idiot, Bob!…….. there! That’s ridicule! LOL!!!

        Have a nice day, bob!

        “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Bozo thinks when he sits down on the toilet, he produces 14K gold stools. Think again genius boi…Your generation is a bunch of lazy asses texting and wasting more time than anyone older than you EVER has. Show how unintelligent you really are if this thread is your only juice to power your pathetic brain.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Why do you spell “boy” “boi”?

          • infadelicious says:

            in eleanore’s community, it means a younger male who prefers older men or for lesbians it means “submissive butch” . She uses this term a lot. …….she has a real hate on for white, fat gutted, racist middle aged “bull” males.. who try to dominate her… it’s a recurring theme in her replies no matter what the original topic was.

          • idamag says:

            Judging from what comes out of his mouth, I thought he might have to stand on his head to use the toilet.

      • infadelicious says:

        ridicules? that sort of spelling is ridiculous!

  4. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    If SS is Socialist, what are 401Ks? They are provided as an employee benefit. They are tied to Wall Street and are subject to the whims of fund managers. Please do explain how you make payroll deductions for 401Ks and not call that “socialism” given the restrictions?

    Anyone who has had parents who lived through the Great Depression will tell you that THE MOST dangerous thing Americans can do is to trust Wall Street. Given that Wall Street today is 100% computerized, how easy is it to hack into many 401K accounts to cause another Great Depression? On another note, Wall Street today is not Wall Street of the 1950s where men and women could be trusted not to Madoff their lives away hoping to retire as billionaires by age 35.That’s an idealism of youth that happens to less than .01% of the population and it is predicated upon the use of other peoples’ money to enrich oneself.

    The GOP has hated SS because it prevents a huge slush fund of money flowing to Wall Street speculators who have now brought the market down 7 times since the Great Depression and this is the market the GOP wants Americans to trust? When SS has had a success rate for more than 75+ years? Sorry, gambling with other peoples’ money is not the way to make it to billionaire. Madoff proved that big time.

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      “If SS is Socialist, what are 401Ks?”
      Really????????? You are a stone cold moron, Eleanor! Too stupid for words.

      • cpbis says:

        I have read a number of your comments and you are a very angry, self-centered individual who has absolutely no regard for others. I most certainly will never again read anything you write because of your callous nature. Name calling and such never resolves issues. You must be full of hate as well. Sad, sad, sad!

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          sorry cp, but Eleanor really is among the lowest of the low IQ posters here in this sewer called ‘The Memo’. I just happen to not suffer fools easily. I admit, it is a weakness of mine.

          You may ask me why am I so offensive to you leftist freaks and useful idiots? Well… look at this way. I know that anyone that supports so-called “progressive” politics in America is in a trance. A mental slumber of sorts. And the only way to wake them up is to slam them in the head with a basebal bat. I am that baseball bat.

          Have a nice day!

          “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Bozo…You’d know low much better than I…it’s where you wallow most of your life. What the hell can a middle aged angry fat gut guy be doing day after day getting attention from a social media thread when his brain function has been dead from birth?

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Eleanor…..
            If your dog is at the backdoor barking and your wife is at the front door yelling at you, who do you let in the house first?
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            Because the dog will stop barking when you let him in.

        • plc97477 says:

          I would be sad except he likes being disliked. He enjoys the thrill of being unpleasant to everyone.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Say Bozo…You’re so good at name calling. Why I’ll bet your call your wife and mother some names you should write down for posterity. Most jackasses never learn they can’t best smart women. When the testosteronies levels of testosterone begins to rage, you know they are sexually frustrated males who love to go for the jugular with women. Sorry if that doesn’t work with me. Do you get your jollies calling perfect strangers “moron” when the most moronic is your so-called slam at the president. I’m sure your Daycare Generation Great White Angry Fat Gut Middle Aged Male Bulls like you all have raisins where nuts belong and nuts where a brain you sit on should be.

        A 401K is not a safe, secure program. It IS a socialist program because it socializes retirement planning and because it also socializes employer benefits..Hey Loser…I realize your only goal in life is to bitch and moan like all of the Twerpie Generation loonies…But, I’ll be perfectly happy to watch you run your asses back to the McMansions so you can live off McParents SS when your 401Ks are ripped off by the world’s best Wall Street gamblers..It’s your money and like a herd of bulls your kind hand it over easily to strangers who love to use YOUR YOUR YOUR money to gamble with. No thanks…gambling my hard earned money to allow jackasses to think they are elite trough swillers entitled to wealth isn’t my thing…How very socialist of you to post day after day on a very social media thread…Hey! Angry Socialist…How much of our federal tax subsidies did your kind swill today? In case you forgot looney tune…MY taxes do not have to support red state hicks who refuse to earn a living or break a sweat..Now get the hell off your DogPatch Porch and work that hind end off like the rest of us do.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          I stand corrected, Eleanor. Not only are you a stone-cold moron, but you’re also man-hater. I had forgotten that fact until your first couple of sentences above.

          BTW…. I’m shocked that you were able to actually write 2 paragraphs. Did someone else write those for you? Be honest.

          Now, get back to finishing your man’s laundry and cleaning. And cook him a good meal tonight. Make yourself worthwhile.

          Have a nice day!

          Heres a riddle for you…

          If you’re sitting on the coach having a beer and watching the football game and your wife comes in from the kitchen to bitch at you, what have you done wrong?
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          You left her chain too long!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You can’t stand correct on anything you pathetic misguided creton of lies and manufactured tripe. How much are the Kochs paying you to sit on your ass all day, doing nothing but trying to save their asses?

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Eleanor…..
            How do you turn a fox into an elephant?
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            Mary her!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Po lil Bozo….jes’ cain’t get y’all ass off y’alls porch…The Great American symbol of DogPatch …don’t work, live off federal taxes the rest of us are paying and they aren’t…and then? Bitch at those who break a sweat to earn their living. Pathetic failures if ever there are any.

          • idamag says:

            This hateful person has not only shown he is racist on other posts, but he surely in misogynist by the comments he is making. His poor wife.

      • infadelicious says:

        thanks OMG, ya had to get Eleanore out of her cave didn’t ya? here’s a picture of her fellow white, middle aged, fat gut, kkk member bull male hating idol

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          The only Neanderthals on this thread are you two. You both act like you are 16 years old and still think you are masters of the universe…Bois are in for mucho surprise.

      • plc97477 says:

        That’s your answer?

  5. tax payer says:

    Those working right now may not see any Social Security because too many people are getting it at a younger age and most of them aren’t even Disabled, but they hire a good attorney to get them the gravy train.

    • infadelicious says:

      lots of doctors will give out “bad back” notes. Most of the people working right now , those with half a brain anyway, are not relying on ss to be there at all…….they will try to set aside $$ for their retirement which will be at a later age… However, it is hard to set aside $$ when this admin is trying to redistribute the $$ you worked your butt off for to (for the most part) parasitic freeloaders that feel “entitled”.

      • tax payer says:

        I get negative feed, when I say ( we feed ) the parasites of this country, but I am not that way, if I hear it from someone else.

        • infadelicious says:

          that is why i said “for the most part” . I do realize we will always need a safety net for the elderly and the sick and/or disabled who could receive so much more if the parasites got off their butts and worked. over 40% of Detroiters are on foodstamps, and when they were recently told that if they were on social assistance or whatever it’s called, for longer than 5 years(only if they were able bodied) , they were going to be cut off. they freaked out! Have you ever been without a job for 5 years? I haven’t… worked some jobs I didn’t love, but used them as a stepping stone. 5 years? I’d call that parasitic. Able to , but refusing to work- yep, parasite.

          • tax payer says:

            When I was a Sophomore ( up to my Senior Year ) in High School I worked part-time and gave my mother the paycheck because I knew we were barely making it. I didn’t need that money as much as the whole family needed it, so I didn’t missed it. I enjoyed the work because I was in charge of a group of young boys that needed for someone to help them with their school work and I formed a softball team for them to compete against other Centers around the area. Later in life they would come up to me and tell me ( I was their Leader ), when they participated in the Center and it was a great feeling to have someone come up to me, and say you made a difference.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            well done, TP!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            This from someone whose entire life is posting hate and vitriol? roflmao..Oh please…is there a patron saint of miscreant numbnut righties who can salvage their pathetic attempts at superiority they don’t now nor ever will possess?

          • infadelicious says:

            they don’t teach those values in too many homes these days. Some people would rather take shamelessly what they are “entitled to” from the gov’t (taxpayers) rather than work at a job they feel is “beneath” them. I volunteered at a lot of places which was great for gaining experience, skills, contacts for paid employment and of course actually helping people. Coming from a family with 8 kids, we all had to help out once in a while by working after school and/or helping out at home. And you should feel great when someone tells you that you made a difference by spending time with them years ago , and I am sure that person will make a difference in someone elses life now or in the future- that’s how it works 😉

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            And you are a perfect example of what wasn’t taught in your home. If you are the product of the elite right, there’s going to be a huge rise in ROI for mental institutions.

          • infadelicious says:

            Eleanore, why do you constantly have to bash white males? Are you a racist black woman, or a white woman with white guilt? Did some white old dude do ya wrong? you must have a reason that you feel inferior to them, are you trying to even the score, you go on and on about them…..how the bull males are always trying to dominate you. Are these your fantasies? keep them to yourself. Seriously, what is it? you should go talk it out with someone. you go on about your accomplishments,how beautiful and educated you are, why can’t that speak for itself, none of your posts indicate your education or your inner or outer beauty, you have to post the most vulgar hateful crap you can about posters you have assumed are bull males, white, middleaged, fat, racist etc etc etclllllllllllll you don’t know that , you have no facts, just bs……..ease up on the man hating,.. sheesh…….or keep your pretty little pie hole closed .ok, puddin pop?

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        Hey InfaD! You are correct. There was a study being done that will reveal that at a minimum 2 MILLION people collecting SSDI are doing so fraudulently. But you’ll never convince the mendicants and useful idiots in this sewer called ‘The Memo’ that fraud is a massive problem. To them, they accept the fraud as a cost of getting their livings paid for by the labor of other people. In a weird way, they sort of LIKE the fraud because it satisfies their sense of grievence against others who “have” by thinking it’s OK to steal from the so-called “rich” people. They truly are leftist freaks!

        Have a nice day!

        “Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone.” ― Frédéric Bastiat

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          No…He is NOT correct. He’s just like you … a liar who will stoop as low as a pole cat in heat just to prove how superior you are…think again oh mighty mouths of the right. Who believes a word of your BS? Nice though that your stiff assed Shut Down Bois are part of US history now. I’m sure you and your thugs won’t mind paying that $2 billion YOUR Shut Down bois cost taxpayers…Pay up or shut up. Paybacks…a real bitch, eh?

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        In Alabama? Where high blood pressure, Type II Adult Diabetes and cholesterol are the excuses to collect SSDI when AL refuses to pay for unemployment…Another red state scam costing the rest of the states big time. It’s time to demand these red states stop living off our federal taxes and use their state taxes before they go hogging all of our federal revenues for their pork.

        • infadelicious says:

          Nice that you cherry picked one state. According to obozo there are 57.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Nice that you can’t admit that this is the truth. “I” didn’t cherry pick AL…Mr. Moronic King of the Universe…NPR did. They did the interview on the biggest helpers of federal taxes and AL came in as Number One according to the CDC…Now, I’m sure you’ll start your Contard Conspiracy Conflagrations….Give it up. You lost this one. Don’t bother to try and bully with name calling, insults or the rest of the right wing arsenal of superiority BS…I don’t accept it nor do I particularly feel it has any value. Grow the hell up little boi. Do you actually have a job? Or do you just sit day by day at your computer looking for someone, anyone you can insult with your maniacal sociopathic rants?

          • infadelicious says:

            You don’t like name calling? Duh! One only has to look at any of your posts. Are you going to say ” mom the bull male started it” Take your last post We’ll put aside the fact that you lied — you did cherry pick one state. You can’t be that stupid! Count how many names and slurs you puked out. You are a joke and you are obsessed with bois. Maybe you want your own female bois. Leave your fantasies out of your replies You are coming across as a female version of the men you constantly bash no matter what the subject is. That would be a man hating racist, fat gut bull female You have issues see someone or get a bois and calm yourself

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I call it like it is…You call me moron? I call you jackass. Did you think testicles automatically grant you some superhuman power over the population of the earth?

            What I don’t do is call the President of the United States names a kid in kindergarten would be ashamed to utter. I have no intentions of allowing you to think you are sooooooooooooo superior when I know you can’t get it up anymore and that you’re nothing more than Big Momma’s eunoch. Oh gee…guess you’ll have to regrow some nuts to replace those raisins.

            I hate men who are jackasses. Most women do. Of course, your kind of ego bloated narcissistic males wouldn’t know that. The only pool of women you draw from are the desperate clinging vines and those who can’t earn a living like educated women do…without an MRS degree to validate their existence. Go back to your Big Momma and tell her your Pampers are muddy …you are beginning to reek from ear to ear.

          • infadelicious says:

            Wow! You’ re obsessed with my testicles hahaha! You arent worthy of my time today so I will allow you the last word I am sure it will be every bit as intelligent as your usual man bashing name calling palooza tbat shows why you are inferior to the en and wonen who post here So bleat away BOI 😉

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Don’t flatter yourself BS boi. I assume most men have testicles. You are just one more “ignernt” with raisins where nuts should be. You ARE inferior. It’s why you can’t hold down a job for all the hateful posting you do. You can’t name a single valuable thing you’ve done all this entire day. So…rant away ..until Nurse Ratchett finds out your Thorazine is waning from your putrified brain.

    • Dominick Vila says:

      Some of my neighbors, still relatively young, are collecting MEDICAID and use EBT cards, because they are, allegedly, disabled. Most of them rode their expensive bikes on Bike Week, they go sailing in choppy waters, and don’t seem to be affected by the strain of their sporty preferences. They become incapacitated when it is time to go to work.
      I support our social programs, but something must be done to get rid of the parasites who don’t deserve to collect benefits, and who are defrauding the government.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        BINGO!!!!!
        Right on Dommy!

      • whodatbob says:

        Oh so right you are, Dom! ObozMustGo and those of his ilk do not want t cheaters eliminated, solving a Social Security problem, they want to use it as an excuse to eliminate an excellent program.

      • CPAinNewYork says:

        While you’re getting rid of THOSE parasites, work on getting rid of the BUSINESS parasites who shelter their income from all taxes by leaving it overseas or forming LLCs and declaring the income from those LLCs to be “settled interest” and therefore taxable only at capital gains rates.
        Yeah, there are a lot of people in this country who are gaming the system, but we are burdened by our governments, who are reluctant to enforce the laws and to pass laws that would eliminate the abuses.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          Getting rid of the redistribution of wealth from the public to the private sector is easier said than done. From the sole source contracts in Iraq to the ACA subsidies that will benefit, not only the poor and the middle class, but the insurance companies that will pocket much of those funds, helping the rich get richer has been an integral part of the agenda for the U.S. government. Those that decry and demonize social programs that benefit the elderly, the poor, and students are the same people that fight tooth and nail to preserve the ridiculous tax rates for the wealthy that are the main reason for our budget deficits, they fight to preserve and expand loopholes that benefit the rich, and they will do whatever they can to preserve subsidies for sectors of our economy that benefit people like Michele Bachmann, while trying to do everything they can to deny those who cannot afford insurance premiums and are unable to get preventive medical care, a chance to benefit from programs such as ACA.
          To support their illogical and inhumane policy proposals they appeal to the ignorant by claiming socialism, communism, and all the other isms, in an attempt to convince the ignorant that supporting what is best for them is evil, and that the solution to our woes starts and ends with helping those who don’t need our help to prosper accumulate more wealth.

      • Paul Bass says:

        “defrauding the government”, Don’t worry the IRS may be slow but it usually gets it’s lawbreakers. So no, the “parasites” are usually found out and then jailed!

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          I’m not so sure about that one. It took nearly 17 years for the IRS to catch up to Madoff. The state of Alabama is another freeloader who lived off SSDI for decades until the phonies collecting it instead of state paid unemployment get their asses caught in a sling.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Did the IRS catch Madoff? I think that Madoff simply couldn’t pay his investors who demanded their money and decided to confess. I believe that he confessed to the SEC.

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          Baloney! The business parasites create the tax loopholes. The rich hire the accountants and lawyers to frame the laws that they want. Then, they bribe the legislators to put what the accountants and lawyers drafted into law.

          Paul Bass: Your little polyanna homily is funny, considering the state of affairs today in America. Our present government is dominated by the rich. Ever notice the smarmy smile on that rich scumbag Jamie Dimon when he was testifying before Congress? He knows that nothing is going to happen to him or his bank, because the president and attorney general are bought and paid for.

      • omgamike says:

        Turn them in, Dom. They might be neighbors, but if they are stealing from the government, they are surely not your friends. I wouldn’t hesitate to turn in people who are gaming the system.

      • plc97477 says:

        Obama has done more than any president in modern times to remove fraud from government.

      • idamag says:

        Just don’t paint everyone who relies on a government safety net with the same brush.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          Most of the people who depend on government services need them for legitimate reasons. There are also a lot of people who are unemployed, not because they don’t want to work, but because of circumstances that are often beyond their control. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who have figured out how to beat the system. Our government should focus its energies and resources on eliminating waste and abuse, not dismantling programs that are critically needed by the most vulnerable members of our society.

    • EF McHenry says:

      BULLSHIT! This assumes social security has financing issues! It does not!! 2.7trillion in interest earning bonds in not a program in crisis!! Over 800billion in FICA revenue and a little over 700billion paid to beneficiariers since the expiration of the payroll tax holiday is not a sign of a program that will not be there in the future!! WHAT IS THE ONE CERTAIN THING IN LIFE??
      Ans: DEATH AND TAXES…
      Social Security Will be there in the future!! The only reason it wouldn’t is if the CORPORATE ROBBER BARONS CONVINCE EVERYONE OF THEIR LIES AND GET THE POLITICIANS TO CHANGE THE PROGRAM FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY!!!
      STOP SPREADING WRONG INFORMATION AND FEAR!!!

    • omgamike says:

      SS and SSDI are two entirely different programs. I am on SSDI. I worked since I was 16, paying into the system. And it’s no gravy train. Are there people who game the system? Yes, surely. But not anywhere near the number you imagine. And they get caught.

      SS – you can retire early at, I believe 62, but with reduced benefits. Not too many people elect to do that.

      About 95% of people who first apply for SSDI or SSI are turned down the first time. Then they get turned down on a request for reconsideration. A large percentage are even turned down on an appeal before an administrative law judge. And with the complexities of SS law regarding disability, getting a good attorney is about the only way you have a chance to win. And as far as their health insurance, once they get on, that’s Medicare. And they have to wait an additional two years after being awarded their disability, before they can get Medicare. And then they pay a stiff monthly premium to get it. And Medicare isn’t even that good an insurance program, what with all the deductibles and co-pays. But it’s better than having nothing at all.

      • idamag says:

        I happen to find Medicare an excellent insurance. As for feeling sorry for people because they got turned down a couple of times before they got their SSI or SSD, its retroactive.

  6. infadelicious says:

    gimme gimme gimme

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Actually, many of your Twerpie Generation punks live off their parents’ SS now that they have such high end college degrees and still can’t get jobs..Gee…you think maybe it’s because your Twerps don’t move those asses at real jobs to earn a real pay?

  7. RodgerMitchell says:

    What would your suggestions be if you realized that federal taxes do not pay for federal spending?

    The federal government (unlike state and local governments) is Monetarily Sovereign. It neither needs nor uses tax dollars.

    Federal taxes could fall to $0 or rise to $100 trillion, and neither event would affect the government’s ability to fund Social Security and Medicare.

    Those who do not understand Monetary Sovereignty (http://mythfighter.com/2013/07/27/i-just-thought-you-should-know-lunch-really-can-be-free/) do not understand economics.

  8. Allan Richardson says:

    Conservatives and progressives agree that too many people are poor. Progressives want to help poor people overcome the obstacles (such as poor education in underfunded schools, poor health care due to lack of insurance, low wages due to anti-labor legislation and a stagnant minimum wage) in order to enter the middle class (not to mention keeping the middle class from BECOMING poor).

    Conservatives want to help poor people die off faster.

  9. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    I always love guys who try to be masters of the universe somewhere out there in the Great Black Hole of space..roflmao. They reinvent history to suit. Create a back room agenda that whistles Dixie and Me Me Me…and then become the first rats to cannibalize each other for the last morsel of cheese.

    These are not conservatives. Eisenhower and Stevenson were conservatives. These are selfish little ingrates who think they all they have to do is whimper and McParents better hand it all to them on silver platters. They conserve their money and then spend ours. They live off federal tax subsidies to the extent they can no longer run a business without taxpayer assistance. Then, they demand cuts to the taxes THEY pay…and why is this might one ask? Well …because how dare the great unwashed massed expect the Great Bois of Laziest Ass Syndrome be expected to actually work for living when pointing and delegating is so much simpler and sooooooo much more power addictive.

  10. Lovefacts says:

    It’s long past time for all income, earned and passive, to be subject to Income, Medicare, and Social Security withholding. While all citizens are “equal,” by not treating interest and investment income the same as earned income the government is saying some are more equal than others.

  11. dana becker says:

    1st thing to do with them is to raise the caps. See what happens from that for a couple of years and then if something else is required, do it. Do not cut benefits. With the price of food these days even cat food is expensive. No cuts. Stop the fraud. Stop the corporate welfare, no more carried interest, no more allowing corp to hide profits overseas. Do all of that first before you take food out of mouthes, clothes off of backs and roofs over heads.

  12. EF McHenry says:

    SOCIAL SECURITY :
    1)Not Welfare! We all pay for it everyday we work via FICA(payroll tax)
    2)It’s NOT BROKE and It doesn’t NEED TO BE FIXED 2.7trillion in bonds, marketable or
    not is not a crisis in need of a fix!!
    3)Bonds collect interest in the 10s of billions. And this is with the% of interest @ near
    zero!!
    4)Even Reagan/Greenspan adjustment to social security in 1983, the so-called fix, is not
    being honored! If it was the cap should be lifted to the first 180k of income. It currently
    sits @ 113k. Reagan/Greenspans wanted FICA to tax the first 90% of all wages.
    Since more share of earned $$$ moved upward, the 113k reflects only the first 80% of
    wages.
    5)There are many reasons both republicans & democrats want to cut social security & medicare. Here are some REAL REASONS these corporate frauds want to CUT!!!!
    a)cutting SS & Medicare is a back-handed way to use payroll tax as the federal
    tax! How so? When you cut benifits, the programs run surpluses! Surplus money
    stays in the General Treasury of the Federal Govt and gets spent on Discretionary
    Big Govt Budgets like the military(DOD)pentagon, DOT(Dept of Transportation),EPA, Dept of Education, Highway Trust Funds, Affordable Care Act etc etc etc….
    Another words the programs ARE NOT BROKE!! They just want to use incoming Payroll Taxes for everthing except what it was intended to be used for!
    b)Another reason these FASCIST CORPORATISTS WANT TO CUT is to erode public confidence in the programs, thus making social security easier to privatize.
    I could Go ON and ON

    • EF McHenry says:

      I called into a conservative talk radio show and address the so-called IOUs problem many republicans like to argure and that this man tried to argue was in the SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND! He SAID WE NEED TO CUT CUT CUT ENTITELMENTS!! HE SAID THE TRUST FUND IS FULL OF IOU’s! I SAID REALLY?? SO WHEN CHINA GIVES US CASH IN EXCHANGE FOR A TREASURY BOND THAT’s A IOU RIGHT?? HE SAID YES!! I SAID THEN WHY DO YOU WANT TO CUT THE PROGRAMS WITHOUT SEPERATING THE TRUST FUND FROM THE GENERAL TREASURY? YOU ARE CREATING MORE IOU’s BY CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY & MEDICARE. WHEN FICA OR PAYROLL REVENUE EXCEEDS WHAT’S PAID TO BENEFICIARIES THE LEFT OVER SURPLUS MONEY IS EXCHANGE FOR A GOVT T-BILL BOND AND THE CASH GETS SPENT ON THINGS FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX!! YOU JUST CREATED A IOU!!
      WE NEED TO SEPERATE THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND FROM THE GENERAL TREASURY ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      psssst…. EF…… pssssssst……. ssshhhhh…. don’t tell anyone, but the Feds have been raiding the SS money for decades. That’s the reason there are soon to be worthless government bonds in there. So when you say “They just want to use incoming Payroll Taxes for everthing except what it was intended to be used for!” you are being completely inaccurate. I completely agree that SS needs to separated from Treasury and the grimey hands of politicians, as well.

  13. oldtack says:

    In it’s formulation stage Social Security was to be set up under strict guidelines not to be altered. At it’s inception all people would begin paying a certain % of their income into Social Security. This income was to be placed in an “ironclad” account not to be touched by any other entity under ant guise. It drew interest and as the assets increased there was sufficient money to keep this program viable in perpetuity .

    It was akin to “Uncle Scrooge’s” money pit. lots of money went in and only set amounts went out..

    This “ponzi” worked fine for about 30 years. Then – under the leadership of Lyndon Baynes Johnson a greater scheme was presented and voted on by the Congress to break open Scroges bank and use all of that money for other “Government” pursuits. Payback to the Social Security System would be in the form of “Treasury Bills payable on account. Good – if the government was solvent and had the money to reimburse Social Security when the need arose.

    Instead – in true government fashion all SS money was spent then the Government increased borrowing until the time when the Government became insolvent and dependent on borrowed money to keep afloat. Social Security was left with a whole wad of worthless IOU’s from the Government.

    If you noted in the shutdown, there were certain bills due that would not be paid because of lack of funds. Two were payments to Social Security -one for 22 Billion Dollars and another for 25 Billion dollars. Because SS was broke. No. Because our Government had robbed SS, of it’s assets and replaced the money with worthless IOU’s..

    Google up the amount of monetary Aid our Government has given to Foreign Countries in the past fifteen years (on borrowed money) . If that amount was placed back into social Security there would be no financial crisis in this area.

    Let us not castigate this Program or as some insist this ponzi scheme. Let us instead castigate the crooked bastards we had in Congress and all of the same Ilk that has followed in their steps up and including the present array of scumbags.

    I was on Capitol Hill a few weeks back on the Friday that began the eventual shut down of the Government. What a mass of ignorance – Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, Libertarian and all. The worst accumulation I have observed under one roof.

    Nauseating.

    • EF McHenry says:

      Your comment is interesting and in one sense I agree but in another I don’t.
      Maybe we see a few things differently. The General side of the federal govt(military/pentagon, federal agencies{ie DOT,EPA,Dept of Ed, Labor, Justic etc}) who funding relies on the federal income tax is in constant shortfall financially. Cutting benefits to beneficiaries of SS & Medicare creates the IOU because the trust fund has not been seperated from the General Treasury of the federal govt. SS & Medicare are off budget and as such did not contribute to the federal debt or deficit. Just the opposite, any extra or surplus FICA(payroll tax) is being used to off-set shortfalls in federal income tax revenue. However the politicians know this and want to continues to use payroll taxes to off-set funding the discretionary side of the govt. It is also a back-handed way to default in ever reconverting those treasury bonds the SS trust bond has back into cash! What should happen is the SS & Medicare trust funds need to be seperated from the general treasury of the federal govt and allowed to accumulated cash! Ever since the expiration of the payroll tax holiday when it was reduced about 2%, incoming FICA has exceeded the outgo to beneficiaries. Incoming payroll revenue in now about 800billion anually and the outgo to retired recipients of social security is a little more than 700billion. Social Security is in great shape. Any cut in Social Security will represent the biggest heist on the working class in the history of America!!
      Have a Good Day

      • oldtack says:

        Social Security trust fund was separated from the general treasury from it’s inception until the full term of Lyndon Johnson when Congress decided to change it – use SS money to fund everything else and give SS Promissory notes. The same should be done for Medicare and Medicaid. In regards to Medicare/Medicaid – there are HD’s (Honest Doctors etc.) and CB’s (crooked bastards) . In this system the CB’s far out weigh the HD’s.. The fallacy of this program is that it relies on honesty -and we are dealing with humans. One of our esteemed resident Dentists is now charged with defrauding Medicaid out of 1.8 Million dollars – and he is just one out of multiple thousands. Every claim should be double checked with input from the patient before funds are ever released to Doctors and Medical Facilities.

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      We are governed by knaves.

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      Old… You have made a very strong argument for why we should have a very limited and small federal government. The current one is a leviathan who’s appetite for destruction of our national finances and individual liberties grows exponentially year after year. If you want to know how to stop it, read Mark Levin’s “Liberty Amendments” and you’ll understand how we can do it outside of DC.

      Have a nice weekend, old!

      “The march of tyranny is so subtle that it goes unnoticed by those poor and timid souls who gladly trade their liberties for the false promises of security from the political class seeking to control them. It certainly is one of the great paradoxes of our time how a formerly great, free, and independent people are being transformed into a bunch of cowering wimps clamoring to be led, and provided for, by charlatans.” – ObozoMustGo

      • oldtack says:

        Obozo,
        It may surprise you but I am for a smaller Government. We need to curb a lot of programs and close a “ton” of loopholes. It isn’t just this current government. This has been steadily expanding for over a Century. But – what would life be if I couldn’t disagree with you. Be a dull place if I had no one to argue with.

        Have a good evening.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          Morning Old! That does not surprise me. I actually believe that 80% of Americans are libertarian (small case L intended) in their political views. Pretty much live and let live. You and I agree on a whole lot more than we disagree. The other 20% are committed leftist freaks who believe in the fantasy of big government control over everyone’s lives for the purpose of achieving the unachievable in perfect human equality.

          You are dead on corrrect with the assessment that this has been expanding for over 100 years. Since the first American progressive president, Woodrow Wilson, took the helm. The difference between him and those that followed is that he was very open and public about his disdain for the US Constitution. That put him out of a job, and taught his progressive predecessors that they need to be deceitful about their real intentions. Obozo is a master of this deceit. You know it because you can look to what he says and compare it to what really happens and they are usually 180 degrees opposite. ie.. “if you like your health plan, you can keep it”…. well, we already know that is not true for millions already, and the employer mandate has not even kicked in. Wait until that happens.

          Anyway, enough of my Saturday ramblings.

          Have a great day, Old!

          “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” — Milton Friedman

  14. DHaradaStone says:

    Uh, if Republicans fought tooth and nail to forestall a tax increase on the richest 1 or 2 percent of Americans, finally relenting only after we had gone off the fiscal cliff, what makes the author think they would ever agree to lifting the cap on Social Security taxes, which would represent a much larger tax increase for many more Americans than Obama’s proposed increase in marginal income tax rates? This is just wishful thinking.

  15. irishtap says:

    I admit it’s taken me too long to realize we have people – many powerful people – whom live to see the day Social Security and Medicare become privatized. It is the very wealthy always messaging against “socialism”, whom couldn’t possibly fathom how these programs are often ‘all many people have for keeping shelter, basic sustenance or making a doctor visit affordable’. Many of the insanely rich have achieved their station via unethical practices and yet, having access to anything money can buy will never satisfy the thirst to attain more and more. Some like Warren Buffett understand the inequities and speak against absurd tax law which favor people whom don’t need to be subsidized by the taxpayers, but he seems to be shouting into a gale force wind. Unless “we the people” finally become determined toward defining and “organizing” ourselves as a ‘collective agency’ capable of vast, tremendous strength – not only do we lose these programs – representative government will be vanquished as well.
    Charles and David Koch, Sheldon Addelson, the Walton family among others, whom reside in the realm of the super rich have demonstrated the lengths they’re prepared to go to, for engineering the fall of democracy and the meager safety net we struggle to hang onto. They spend amounts equal to a king’s ransom for most of us but, only ‘chump change’ for them, toward undermining our vote – voice. For someone ‘astoundingly rich’ to even consider reducing the already tiny sum so many count on for only the bare necessities of life, is patently evil. We need not waffle on this unalterable fact, there is zero ambiguity here. They only view S.S. as a logical prize – they “should be given access to” – since they were fastidious, dedicated, for so many decades via sordid machinations (the unending drum of propaganda) to wrestle it away from those whom need it. Their sociopathic narcissist mindset guarantees them a station of unyielding privilege in our society, ‘they deserve to make themselves richer at our expense’. And when ‘they destroy it ‘or’ alter Social Security – only for purposes of “saving it”, they’ll expect applause and praise.
    The previously mentioned ‘cancer agents of representative government’ should not be exalted as triumphs of capitalism – instead they are the plague which results from it when the very rich have no boss to answer to. Plutocracy or democracy? Isn’t it time we make it “our choice” and “not theirs?” Get angry John Q. It’s time to stand up and ask yourself “what can I do for my country?”.

  16. howa4x says:

    Mitch McConnell an Rand Paul have the largest SSI disability fraud in the country going on in their state. It was investigated by another republican Tom Coburn of Oka. He found that people go onto SSI after unemployment runs out and find lawyers to circumvent the system. This counts against the social security trust fund. In Medicare we need to have a national conversation about death with dignity. Too much of our resources are spent in the last 1yr of a patients life whether by long term care or invasive procedures. Doctors see this group as a cash cow and try to put in new knees, hips and other surgical fixes. While we all want the elderly to live a good life we need to look at the procedures they are having and whether they just prolong death or give a better life. I’ve heard stories of 100 yr olds rushed into the ER with congestive heart failure and their offspring right behind demanding they be saved only to go back to rot in a bed. We all need to talk.

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      You mean “we need Death Panels of unelected bureaucrats rationing medicine from those you deem unworthy” right Howie? Hmmmmmmm…. We all need a conversation to tell other people what they can and cannot do, right howie?

      Whether you realize it or not, what you advocate is the elimination of individual liberty in healthcare.. the right for one to decide for him/herself what is good for them. Who the hell are you, or anyone else for that matter, to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own healthcare and my own money? You have slipped down the slippery slope of the lies of collectivism, howie. I suspect you are too old to be cured of this disease.

      Have a nice weekend, Howie!

      “Liberty, in the most general acceptation of the word, is nothing else than the power of executing the will, and accomplishing your desires; now the nature of every being endowed with will, is such that this faculty of willing causes his happiness or unhappiness; he is happy when his desires are accomplished, and unhappy when they are not; and happiness or misery are proportioned in him according to the degree of his gratification or disappointment. It follows that his liberty and happiness are the same thing. He would always be completely happy if he had always the power of executing his will, and the degree of his happiness is always proportionate to the degree of his power.” — Antoine Louis Claude Destutt, Count of Tracy (1754 – 1836), in his book “A Commentary and Review of Montesquieu’s “Spirit of Laws,” translated by Thomas Jefferson in an edition first printed in Philadelphia in 1811.

      • howa4x says:

        Most hospitals ask you to sign a living will when you enter for either a surgical procedure or with a long term disease. There was a story in New York magazine this month about the escalating price of cancer chemo therapy. I know you don’t get something like this in the red states. So of the drugs cost over $93,000 per year and some as high as 115,000. They can only guarantee less than 2 months of life. Doctors even say that these new drugs are just marginally effective. If we as a society start to pay that kind of costs we will go broke. We are the only country that doesn’t negotiate with the drug companies, thanks to a law that was passed by the republicans when they were in control of both houses. Now imagine if you are uninsured like the 32 million Americans and need a drug like this. How are you going to pay for this? And if you can’t afford this how are we going to keep paying on terminally ill patients? Did you ever see someone on a respirator? Where the machine is pumping 70% of the oxygen you need to live. So you are going to sit there and tell me that this person should spend the next year in this state, not being able to move or talk. And you call this liberty? The humane thing to do is to pull the plug and put it in gods hands. Isn’t what what you evangelicals say?

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          Howie… the reason healthcare costs so much is BECAUSE of government. Everything the government gets involved in, costs escalate. This is because rational thinking about resources and efficiency go out the window. It works this way in EVERY SINGLE CASE. Look at the skyrocketing costs of college. It correllates directly with the government’s involvement in the student loan business, which BTW Obozo nationalize several years ago. The next bubble to burst will be the TRILLION dollar student loan bubble.

          The 32 million people you cite is an outright lie. But leftists exaggerate routinely as a means of tricking people into believing that their social engineering schemes are really needed. The true number of people uninsured who want to be is much less than 10 million. The fact that we are screwing 300+ million Americans for such a small number of people as part of the whole is disgusting.

          You and I have had this conversation before. You believe in the fantasy world of collectivism. I do not. Your post above begins with the premise that somehow I am responsible for the healthcare of other people. I am not. It is a good and service like any other to be consumed as needed by individuals. The solution to our healthcare problems in America is to follow the same rational market principles that auto insurance follows. If auto insurance was responsible for paying for my oil changes and brakes, and on top of that it was supposed to pay for oil changes and brakes for people that could not afford those things, the cost of it would be out of control. Throw an army of government bureaucrats on top of that sticking their noses up the butts of mechanics and auto insurance carriers and you have a bad brew of a looming industry collapse. Healthcare is no different because the principles of insurance are the same: to insure against catastrophic loss. And your example above makes my point. The extreme example you cite would be catastrophic, certainly, but the costs would not be anywherer near that and they would absolutely be absorbable if every other minor malady from a sniffle to a rash were not also covered, but instead paid for by patients directly to doctors. Further, in a rational market, doctors would not prescribe meds that had huge costs and were not effective. Why would they do it?

          Final point that you socialist utopian dreamers seem to ALWAYS forget in the healthcare discussion…. doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers are NOT slaves and their work deserves compensation. Development of drugs is a multi billion dollar risky enterprise and the pharma companies and their employees and vendors deserve to be paid. Electric companies that keep the lights on in the hospitals are not free and they must be paid. What is happening with Obozocare is a complete insertion of the government into that entire economic process. The only result of this will be a gradual decline in our overall system in terms of availability and quality. This is inevitable. And it’s being done intentionally with only a single objective: government control, more dependency, and permanent DemonRAT voters. If it really was about healthcare for poor people, Howie, there are many more alternatives and ways that we could accomplish that WITHOUT a multi-TRILLIONS of dollars in new bureaucracies that intrude in every facet of our lives, ration care, and then take over 1/6th of our entire economy. It’s simply insane!

          Have a nice weekend, Howie!

          “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs
          by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner

          • howa4x says:

            YOU watch too much Fox news. Harvard did the study that pegged the uninsured at 32 million. Out of that number 50,000 died from the same study. You have this every one for themselves thinking that fits better if you’re a Jack London type and want to live in the wilderness, with no government regulations. You can go settle there. Those of us that have a more spiritual leaning try to take care of people it is that simple. You want people with no insurance to die in the street, and if they can’t afford an operation then too bad. Isn’t that what you libertarian/Randians think? Funny that your hero Rand Paul represents a state with the highest disability fraud in the country. This is not a liberal myth but the results of an investigation by republican Tom Coburn (oka) Maybe that is what you call freedom to defraud the evil government.
            College loans have been around before Obama, my daughter had a government backed Staffford loan when Bush was president. The only thing Obama did was to tell the banks to lower the interest rates they were charging because the banks were getting the money at 1% interest from the feds, and were charging the students 9%. We will loose the in the global market place because other countries send students to college for free and we want the banks to make money, and want our students indebted to them for 20 years. That is really smart and forward thinking don’t you agree?? This is why China is graduating 20 engineers to our 1 every year.
            You accuse me of collectivism yet you ride on the roads and use all the infrastructure built by all of us. You went to schools built by all the residents in your town. We live in a collective country where there are interdependencies. Where do you live? Is it in the middle of no where? You republicans are ass kisser to the uber wealthy who are only creating the work for less culture where you the idiot will pay for SNAP and housing assistance and glorify the idea that all of us can become wealthy if we put our nose to the grindstone. Well if you give kids inferior schools, and low nutrition meals you will always have an underclass that will drain you. Your Ayn Rand was an atheist, this is where you get your go it alone attitude. Christ was a COLLECTIVEIST. I have a better idea for you. Go live in Somalia, no rules or government to bother you. go fend for yourself everyday. Don’t preach it to me. Grab a plane ticket and a Randian paradise can be yours.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            WOW! Howie… you took all the time to use all the leftist freak cliche’s. I’ll address a couple of your lies and demogoguery.

            1) Quoting a study that says there are 32M people uninsured is one thing. Using it to sell a false narrative is another. The fact is that of those 32M, 10M of them are illegals. Another 10M of them are Americans earning more than $50K and choosing NOT to buy health insurance as they have a right not to. Out of the 12M remaining, it is fairly certain that a good % of those are what we call transitionally uninsured. That is, they are between jobs. At any given time (especially under Obozonomics) there are millions of Americans transitionally uninsured. But they are only temporary. There are also a few million that are Medicare or Medicaid eligible but choose not to file. That leaves somewhere around 3 to 5M that are NOT insured and want to be insured. Only a small % of them are actually the preexisting condition types that can’t get insurance. The whole point is that the very, very small number of Americans that actually fall into the “needy” class is distorted by the leftist freaks who believe in a single payer socialist system as a means of overselling the public to believe that government control of healthcare is needed. It’s simply not true.

            2) You’re attempt to demagogue me by suggesting that if I do NOT agree with you, then that must mean that I want people to die. You should be ashamed of yourself for letting your mind work in such a moronic, childish manner, Howie. You’re not that stupid. I know you believe the fantasy of socialism, but you’re not that stupid to actually believe such a notion.

            3) Christ was NOT a collectivist. Not in the least. In fact, his message was exactly the opposite. It was one of INDIVIDUAL salvation through ahearance to God’s laws and good works toward others. Go read the parable of the Good Samaritan, again Howie. The Good Samarita did not happen upon the injured man and tell him that he has paid his taxes and someone from the government will be here to help later. The message is not one of outsourcing charity, but in being charitable on an individual level. And the Samaritan, by the way, had money also, which he used to pay the innkeeper. Your attempts to bastardize the message of Christ and individual salvation is nothing more than a growing leftist trend to get people to accept big government as their God on earth. Tyrants like this sort of thinking.

            4) No one said Obozo invented college loans. Go reread what I wrote.

            5) There is NO such thing as a free eductation. You know that, Howie. And the fact that China has 20 times more engineers than we do has NOTHING to do with who pays for college. It has more to do with a culture that values REAL intellect and ability to make and build things. Our culture values Hollywood and useless crap like leftist inspired study in things like racial studies, women’s studies, sociology of multiple flavors, and hundreds of other useless and valueless degrees. The Chinese wouldn’t dream of being as stupid as our universities are becoming. And Chinese students are forced to work hard to keep up. American school students have been getting dumbed down for decades to the point where they can’t compete intellectually with any other civilized nation on earth. Oh, but hey… they all know how to recycle and they all are indoctrinated in the hoax of global warming.

            6) Somehow attempting to make a correlation between SSDI fraud and Rand Paul is nothing short of more moron level thinking and demagoguery, Howie. Don’t be so dumb, please.

            7) You cant be so dumb to believe that moron lie about roads and bridges, can you? I don’t think you’re dumb, Howie. I just think you’ve dug deep into your cliche box. The fact of the matter is that THE ROADS AND BRIDGES WERE BUILT OFF THE TAXES PAID BY ME AND OTHERS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!! Government didn’t build those road and bridges with fairy dust. They take MY earnings, and the earnings of other private citizens to do it. Don’t be so foolish. Do they have roads and bridges in North Korea? Of course they do. Why are they dirt poor and South Korea so wealthy? Guess that “roads and bridges” thingy you get from that idiot Lizzy “Chief” Warren is really nothing but a leftist freak ruse intended to confuse useful idiots.

            8) You’re doing this a lot today, Howie. You’re full of demagoguery in just about everything you say. For you to suggest that if I do not agree with your collectivist and socialist mentality, that must mean that I want anarchy like Somalia is nothing short of sheer stupidity and a severe lack of ability to think critically. You should be ashamed of yourself, Howie. You’re better than that.

            Have a nice weekend, Howie!

            “We’re told compassion comes not from generosity but from compliance. We’re told kindness means raiding a man’s hard-earned wages and sending them off to Washington so they – not you – may dole them out in courtesies and indulgences.” — Allen West

          • howa4x says:

            ! How do you know that 10 million are illegals? What study did you look at? or is this a figure out of the red state blog or Fox news? First off Illegals don’t qualify for any subsidy. I ran clinics and Illegals were not given free medical attention. They had to pay out of pocket. You amaze me about the figure of 3-5 million uninsured. Aetna when it had it’s stock downgraded one year kicked 8.5 million off the rolls. These were people with marginal health status. 2.6 million young people are allowed to stay on their parents policy. Doctors came to open a free clinic on the Kentucky/Wva border and had a line that stretched for 3 days of people needing medical attention. It is not a small number that needs health care. All those workers in the work for less economy that you praise make up the working poor are the ones that need access to the system. They are the ones using the emergency room for a common cold.
            If you want everyone to make their own way then get rid of social security and Medicare. They you and your mother/father/children can work till your dead. Is that what you want? No safety net for you. If you get disabled too bad, you can grovel for a meal or beg on the street. All you Randians want the government to back off. So let the corporations pollute or contaminate the ground water, hey this is capitalism and to the winner goes all. Right? there is already Arsenic being found in the ground water around fracking sights, but hey if you live there too bad because corporation profits are far more important. We need the energy , and they could do it with less toxic material but they can make more money this way and that great for a Randian.
            Don’t even give me the nonsense that only the private sector built the infrastructure. It was paid for by taxes of workers as well as corporations. School teachers, police, government workers all paid them as well
            So you think Christ was a go it alone type. You think that your salvation is personal which is part true. But you won’t get there unless you help others and not be a selfish greedy person who would rather give a corporation a tax break for a jet then to feed a hungry child. You say it’s the child’s fault right? Why weren’t you born rich?
            Well I love to ague with you but here is the bottom line. The young people reject your philosophy. You claim to be a libertarian but why aren’t you for gay marriage, or why are there laws against smoking MJ. Young people think you are a bunch of hypocrites, more concerned about keeping your guns than a human life. I know I have 3 in their 20’s they think republicans are kryptonite. they are really concerned about climate change and income inequality. they join women, Gays, Latinos, minorities and independent centrists who think that the current GOP was spawned by Satan
            So enjoy it now because the future will not be your friend.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Howie… do you know any other form of debate other than demagoguery? More the of the same ol same ol weakminded attempts to insist that if someone does not think like you then they must be for the opposite. It’s as if I did not want the government to own farms that you would accuse me of not wanting people to eat. Patently FALSE!!! A big FAIL on your part.

            Re: fracking… not even Obozo’s leftist freak EPA suggests there’s any danger with it. Get over it. There is no such thing as man-made global warming and the sky is not falling, Chicken Little. Find another hoax to believe in. That ship has sailed and no reasonable person believes it any more.

            Re: your kids… they’ve been indoctrinated well in their socialist camps… err…. schools. They’ll continue to give away their libertiers until one day they realize the folly they’ve wrought. Fortunately, I have 4 American Patriots to counterbalance your socialists. And the only people that think the future is socialistic in America are the ones who exist in their own little echo chambers. The rest of America does not think like you or your socialist progeny.

            You actually have no idea what I think about gays attempting to “marry”. I actually think the government should have no say. If your church wants to “marry” gays, let it do so. Just don’t force my church to do so if it does not believe it’s right. That’s a pretty libertarian stance, Howie. Do I personally support gays getting “married”? No. I think it’s a signal of major cultural decay and cuts and the very building block of a civil society, the family. But, again, that’s my business. Get the government out of the issue.

            Finally, the fact of the matter is that free market capitalism IS the very means of redistributing wealth through wealth creation as a result productive work and free innovation. You obviously wrongly believe the the economy is a fixed pie and that for one person to get a bigger piece, that must mean that another must have a smaller piece. You also think it’s the role of government to make sure everyone has the same size piece, or close to it. This type of thinking is the bedrock foundation upon which lefitst freaks think about economics. You could not be more wrong.

            Have a nice weekend, Howie!

            “Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.” – Winston Churchill

            “You cannot make the poor man rich by making the rich man poor.” – Winston Churchill

          • howa4x says:

            Can’t deal with you anymore. You’re a right wing ideologue and an insulting person. I can respond with out using any derogatory names but you tea party types always have to use them to make your point. go insult somebody else
            have a nice day

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Howie… I did not insult you. Think of it as constructive criticism.

            Have a nice day!

            “Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured … but not prove they are a citizen.” – Ben Stein

          • howa4x says:

            You think calling me a socialist because I disagree isn’t insulting or calling me a leftist. Can’t you tea party types have a conversation about ideas? Fact is I’m a registered independent and a centrist, not on the left or right. My background is in healthcare and environmental protection and that forms the basis of my views. It comes from experience in dealing with these issues not reading about them on some right wing site. I don’t like Obama care and think the cheapest most effective way to get people covered is the public option. If they had that there would be no push to get young people insured and there would be no mandate. The mandate is there so the insurance companies can still make a profit, because if they only had to insure ill people they would loose money. This is what this whole debate is really about. But you all call that socialism, so we are all stuck with a free market hybrid. We are going to end up with a two tiered healthcare system. States that are really committed to this will have universal coverage, and states that aren’t and want to leave it to the feds to do will have spotty coverage and poorer health outcomes. If you live in a red state that doesn’t want to try to get you coverage than so be it. I think the best compromise is to let blue states try to do this and let red states go uninsured. I’m tired of arguing with ideologues who see the world through those eyes. I’m going to save my ideas for realists who want to solve the problems of this country.
            Have a nice day

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Yes… I agree that calling someone who is NOT a socialist a socialist may be insulting. I seem to remember your professing your beliefs in socialism past discussions. I could be wrong, Howie. If so, my apologies.

            Reading above, you and I may be much closer in agreement than either of us has previously considered. You are correct. Obozocare is a disaster, on many levels. If it were just about healthcare for a small percentage that could not afford it, it would be easy and far less costly. But it’s not. It’s about government control over ALL people. It’s about dependency and another monolithic voting block for DemonRATS. Plain and simple.

            I don’t mind the states running their own experiments. If I don’t like what my state does, I can move out of that state. I can’t, however, move out of my country… yet. And 99.5% of American’s can’t either. There’s no where else to go. We are the last bastion of freedom in the world. At least we used to be. Too many Americans are too willing to trade their freedoms for the perception of security. It never happens.

            I don’t disagree that we need some form of social safety net for people. Unfortunately, the safety net has turned into a hammock and we allow waaaayyyyy too many people access to that hammock for waaaaaayyyy too long. There are now more Americans getting some form of government assistance than American who actually work for a living. I’m afraid this is the most dangerous domino to fall in the decline of America and our march toward Eurostyle socialist democracies. Too many Americans now find it in their best interests to vote themselves access to the US Treasury for their livings, and there is no shortage of politicians willing to rob Peter to pay Paul as a means of buying votes. I suspect you may actually agree with me on this, Howie.

            Gotta run. Have a nice day, Howie!

            “A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from
            injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.” – Thomas Jefferson

          • howa4x says:

            We can continue our discussions. BTW I started Workfare in my county that made people on Municipal welfare work to get a check. I was the 1st to do it. People called me a conservative for doing it, but I’m against welfare. I think that giving people a check for nothing creates a form of dependency. so I’m not all bad
            Have a nice day

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Howie… good morning. You know, sometimes we get so caught up in our differences that we miss the areas in which we agree.

            Have a nice day, Howie!

            “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ― Mark Twain

  17. OKsettledown says:

    The federal debt is more than $17 trillion. Of that $4.8 trillion is owed to various departments of the federal government, with $2.764 trillion owed to Social Security. It is not Social security that is insolvent. The military is our biggest money waster at over a trillion dollars a year – so we can continue to police the world. That should be the first place to cut. We have to stop putting the interests of the rest of the world before our own.

  18. John_Steinsvold says:

    An
    Alternative to Capitalism (since we cannot legislate
    morality)

    Several
    decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: “There is no alternative”. She was
    referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.

    I
    would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to
    consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to my essay
    titled: “Home of the Brave?” which was published by the Athenaeum Library of
    Philosophy:

    http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

    John
    Steinsvold

    Perhaps
    in time the so-called dark ages will be thought of as including our
    own.

    –Georg C. Lichtenberg

  19. mandinka says:

    Eliminating illegals and those who have never contributed to the SS system would greatly increase its solvency. SS was never intended as a pension it was established as a supplement for folks to retire.
    Medicare could add years to their solvency by eliminating trial attorneys pilfering the system with law suits and unnecessary tests and hospitalization . Eliminating illegals would also help to fix the problem

  20. Maggie Mahar says:

    As a matter of fairness, it makes sense to ask the richest 5% to pay SS tax on All of their income. As you point out, most Americans pay the tax on all of their income.

    But if we do that, we risk losing broad-based support for SS. It’s an extreme proposal. And t’s not just that the top 5% who would be angry, but the many Americans who identify with the top 5% in a
    fantasy way (Maybe some day I’ll be rich! . How dare they take money away from the folks who make this country work, etc. etc. )

    I like the idea of gradually raising the cap. People who earn $150,000 to $250,000 should be paying more (along with the folks who far make more than that.) But too often we focus on the top 2% or 3% without recognizing that a great many more people are in the $150,000 to $250,000 category, and could afford to do more to support the vanishing middle class.

    • idamag says:

      The thing about those making over $120,000 is that your Social Security check is based on your highest quarters. These people are going to be getting larger checks because of that. There should be no cap.

  21. Ford Truck says:

    A few months ago, neighbor of mine who is a big Tea Party supporter, and I were arguing over Social Security. He said (direct quote) “Social Security is unAmerican! Its got the word ‘social” in its name, which makes it ‘Socialism’!!”

  22. Bill says:

    The reason I can’t support the GOP is because they always want to solve all their problems on the backs of the middle class , the poor and seniors. I voted for the President twice and for Democrats because they protect these programs. The GOP has been attacking wages for years to protect their rich donors, shifting taxes to the middle class and away from the rich, GOP states have the highest sales taxes and the lowest corporate taxes along with low wages. If we are sacrificed now by the DNC we only have slavery to look forward to.

  23. Elizabeth Hancock says:

    Elizabeth Hancock

    currently there is a premium being taken out of my husband soc. sec. ck for medicare. The cuts are so great now that he pays a premium for a supp. policy. Also, he pays another premium for prescription coverage. Thats a total of 3 premiums a month just for his medical ins. How can you just keep on with this ‘slashing’, as you put it. The elderly are at a point of no return now.

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      Liz… Obozocare has taken $700 BILLION from Medicare. That’s why you are paying more in premiums. And Obozocare requires that you pay for things in your plan that you will never need or use. While you have it bad now… just wait until more and more doctors stop taking Medicare payments because they are losing money on the services. You’ll see. Obozocare is a nice fantasy for some, but a nightmare for the 90% rest of the country that never needed it, and a disaster to our healthcare system and our national finances. It’s also a disaster to personal liberties.

  24. infadelicious says:

    Simple math people! simple math!

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