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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

Last month, a torrential rainstorm dumped 22 inches of water on the Florida panhandle and Alabama coast in 24 hours — flooding houses, stranding residents, washing out roadways. The lucky were plucked from rooftops by helicopters or rescued in boats, but some perished in the high water.

Meanwhile, California is experiencing the third year of an extreme drought that has bankrupted farmers and pitted agricultural regions against big cities. Climatologists say this is the driest period in the state’s recorded weather history, and its effects may become much more severe.

Isolated events? Mother Nature’s caprice at work? Nope. According to scientists, those are manmade disasters, weather phenomena created (or at least worsened) by human-induced climate change.

Last week’s National Climate Assessment — a report prepared by a scientific panel — lays out the effects of climate change throughout the country. The report found increases in heat waves, drought, torrential rains and flooding of the sort seen with Hurricane Sandy.

You might think the report would have scared the nation’s political class into immediate action. But you’d be wrong. While President Obama used the news to try to whip up support for legislation to combat greenhouse gases, Republicans greeted it with their usual flat-earth denial. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, for example, derided the president for emphasizing the report’s conclusions and criticized Obama’s “war on coal.”

So this is a manmade disaster worsened by another: denial, hubris and ignorance rolled into a ball and frosted with petty partisanship. Though the planet is already hotter, the worst might be mitigated if the world’s big carbon emitters (the United States is second to China) made changes now. Unfortunately for every living thing, that seems unlikely.

This is the great moral crisis of our time, the overriding problem that dwarfs all others. After all, we can hardly expect to solve war, terrorism, hunger, the slave trade and assorted other ills if climate change threatens our very survival. Why is it that we fail to act?

Polls show that Americans tend to be less concerned about climate change than citizens of other wealthy nations. About 40 percent of Americans say that climate change is a significant problem, according to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey. That contrasts with more than 50 percent of Australians, Canadians, French and Germans, more than 60 percent of Italians and Spaniards, and more than 70 percent of Japanese, according to The New York Times.

  • atc333

    What would anyone expect from the Right Wing GOP which is vested in preserving the the support of their carbon based financial contributors. For these politicians, despite the fact they have taken an oath before assuming their office, preserving and increasing the GOP’s control over this Nation takes precedence over all else, be it job creation, rebuilding our collapsing D+ ranked infrastructure, the struggling 47% with income at or below the poverty level, which has less than 70% of the purchasing power it did 20 years ago, and of course opening their eyes and even acknowledging the havoc created by ever increasingly violent weather patterns caused by global warming. . For them, it is all about the here and now, more wealth, more power, and the future environment be damned.

    • highpckts

      They figure a lot of them will be dead before anything affects them! Asses!!

      • Mark Forsyth

        May they live just long enough to suffer.

        • dpaano

          I don’t know, Mark….I think we’re suffering plenty now….the wildfires in So. California alone are devastating, and the 100+ degree weather this past week has been awful. Not to mention, of course, snow in Denver, etc. in the middle of May???

          • Mark Forsyth

            Undoubtedly! Too bad that suffering can’t be confined to those that deny it is happening.By the way,I think it was last year that we had 30 inches of snowfall in the High Peaks region of the Adirondacks on Memorial day weekend.

    • dpaano

      If these idiots had been in power when America was discovered….we may STILL be undiscovered!!!

  • charleo1

    First, it is a case of the denials of the addicted, being notorious in their resiliencies. This is not a malady of the Right, nor the Left, but a weakness,
    and naturalness of the human condition. Would not that we all, in the face
    of such an event as what Al Gore called in his film on Global Warming, An Inconvenient Truth.” Couldn’t we just this once, pretend it’s not so? If we
    seek out scientist then, who give us permission to disbelieve, or to wait? Or, use our faith, and our religion, as the more likely explanation of the problem. That’s if there is ever a problem with the way the Almighty sees fit to dole out droughts, and floods, and the like. Why, The Bible is full of such things. God is speaking to us, punishing us for our sins. Want it to rain? I say then, go ye to church! It’s not for man to say. And blasphmey to suggest man could possibly affect the weather! See HBO’s VICE, for a great piece on Texas, the record breaking drought, into it’s third brutal year, bankrupting entire towns. The Religious Fundamentalist, the State Govt. of Texas, and the fossil fuel lobby, that has spent over 60 million dollars in that State alone, to debunk the science, supporting Climate Change. A strategy of which the tobacco lobby of the 70s would be mighty proud, if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • johninPCFL

      And before the tobacco industry came the Ethyl Corporation, which mixed lead into gasoline. They also had their pocket scientist who denied all effects from pouring tons of lead into the air we breathe – lead in ice, in rain, in people’s blood. Magically, all of the effects apparently became connected after unleaded gasoline was mandated, and the lead content of people, ice, etc. dropped.
      Maybe the era of leaded gasoline mimicked the era of lead plumbing in Rome, at least with the GOP.

  • latebloomingrandma

    The President just needs to keep on this frequently, and keep explaining & explaining. Use that bully pulpit! What does he have to lose at this point, anyway? The mainstream media and meteorologists in their weather reports need to keep explaining, also, as they describe the weather. Plain English and simple graphics can go a long way and make it harder for the naysayers to debunk. Put the Faux News noise out of business on this one. It’s way too serious.
    For those who look at everything through a Biblical eye–God gave us everything on this earth to sustain our lives. The only expectation was to take care of it and sustain it for future generations. He also gave us a frontal lobe so we can think and reason and converse and solve problems. While I don’t believe God sends disasters to “punish”, how many times does He have to hit us on the back of the head with a 2×4 to get our attention about something?.

    • highpckts

      Big Amen!!

  • dtgraham

    I like how all conservative climate change deniers fancy themselves as Voltaire these days in their defense of free speech. Free speech is a fine thing but where does it end? Certain races are inferior and smoking isn’t a major cause of cancer. Can you say that too?

    There is value in free speech to promote reasoned discussion and deliberation. Then there is wilful ignorance. There aren’t any superior races, smoking actually is a cause of cancer, and human-induced climate change is as certain as it is scientifically possible to demonstrate.

    Denial is not driven by some otherwise ignored piece of scientific insight, but by the massive vested interests of the fossil fuel industry. It’s combined economic resources dwarf those of many nations and it has no hesitation in using those resources for it’s own short term benefit, even if it means destroying the planet in the process.

    As to the international aspect of this piece, the leader of the Canadian Liberal party just announced last Thursday that no candidate will be allowed to run for the Liberals in next year’s federal election if they’re a human-induced global warming sceptic. They must buy into the science…or else. Most of the other parties have the same defacto stance, but the reason this is significant is that it’s highly likely the Liberals will be the government next year according to all the polls of the last year and a half. Given that Canada has become such a world pariah due to the oil sands, it will be interesting to see what Justin Trudeau’s policies on that will be, and also what influence he may be able to have on other world leaders. He’s a very charismatic young man. I’ll say that much.

    • Mark Forsyth

      In addition to all that you mention is the failure of the Ontario Provincial Government to charge the Nestle Corp. for taking Ontario natural water,depleteing a water source,and bottling that water for sale to Ontario citizens.That makes as much sense as tits on a bull.

      • FredAppell

        Time Magazine did a piece on that very thing a couple of years back. Huge international private corporations are going into other countries and buying up the mineral rights so they can sell it back to the people for a profit. But it’s also a major form of control over all of us too which is really their true agenda. People like Joe Schmo are so brainwashed into believing that the only worthwhile reward comes in the form of money. That way of thinking is going to seal our fate.

        • Mark Forsyth

          There may be no hope for J. Schmo but I have faith not only in the American people but people worldwide who are oppressed.I also am a firm believer in the power of collective thought.The more people who think positively,the more power they have to cause positive results but the focus MUST be on what people desire and not on what they don’t.

          • FredAppell

            Mark, I couldn’t agree more with your reply, you touched on something that people have an entirely wrong opinion of. Collective thought gets a bum wrap every time because it is labeled as losing one’s own uniqueness, free thought and free will. We will always be individuals
            no matter what! It’s only once we start to follow the human concepts of dogma or indoctrination, whatever you prefer to call it, that we run afoul. I just had a fantastic visit with my older brother who is a self professed conservative but here’s the catch, he believes that Socialism and or Communism are the way, not this every man for them self free for all doctrine that has permeated the human consciousness. He follows Christ, but his idea of Christ is very profound, he doesn’t reject science, he embraces it, he has very little use for Capitalism but he knows he needs money to survive, all he seeks is to simply have enough
            to keep himself out of poverty and to be able to comfortably support those under his charge. He understands, as do you and I that Capitalism is the true oppressor of man, with it, we will always be subject to the worth that someone else places on us. Most times, that isn’t much! Positive universal thought is the only way to go.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Amen Brother,and don’t think the captains of media and commerce don’t know it.The fact that they do is proven by the constant presence of their negative messages about shortages of one commodity or other.Thankfully, the growing self improvement and self empowering movement is awakening people worldwide to their own inherent ability to influence ones reality by way of proper thinking.As more and more people develop this ability the more the days of traditional,political government are numbered and there will be a new dawn for mankind.
            Your brother sounds like a reasonable man,much like his own brother.I suspect that a certain amount of capitalism may be natural enough and probably some allowances for it should be made,but unregulated capitalism will always run away with itself and breed the problems we have now.

          • FredAppell

            You are right, I shouldn’t dismiss Capitalism out of hand entirely, after all, it isn’t a Nanny State I’m advocating for. A guaranteed place at the table and a complete say so of economic, domestic, and foreign policy is a good place to start. My brother isn’t as reasonable on all things, neither am I for that matter, but we learn from each other and agree on the things that are important. It was kind of you to say so though. I try to weigh all opinions even when I don’t like what the other person is saying, I never dismiss anything outright.

            You have my sincere thanks and gratitude for your encouragement and for allowing me to bounce my ideas off you. Words can’t convey how appreciative I am of you. Thank you!

          • Mark Forsyth

            That door swings both ways Fred.There are not that many on here that I feel an actual friendship for, and I like having a kindred,like minded soul to converse with.Best wishes for a good week to you.

  • Why do all the conservative climate change deniers continue to deny the obvious? It will only cause them to lose face in the long run.

  • FredAppell

    The Christian right and anti-science crowd have quite a dilemma on their hands. They’ve made a habit of talking from out both sides of their mouths. First they said Climate Change was a farce concocted by the Liberal Environmentalist Nazi’s, forgetting that the information has been coming from scientific experts for over 40 years. They attacked science calling it a cult but then said that their own scientists have exposed the “Big Lie”. I guess science is only a lie when it flies in the face of their world view. Some Christians believe that the crisis is God’s will and that humans have no right to interfere with the plan of God. I guess it all depends on which God people are praying to, I happen to know that Liberal Christians believe that we are
    the stewards of this planet and it is up to all of us to take care of it for all generations to come. Even though we know that the climate is cyclical, there’s still validity in the fact that much of it is due to our own behavior and we are now at a critical juncture. Perhaps the real “Inconvenient Truth” is that some people just don’t give a shit and they never will.

    • TZToronto

      It is interesting that the conservatives are so concerned about passing on a huge debt burden to our grandchildren, but they have no interest in preserving a liveable environment for their progeny. All of us on the left side of center should start investing in levee-building companies. We should try to make some money from the intransigence of those on the right.

      • FredAppell

        Actually that’s a pretty good start. We wouldn’t have to stop there either, we could invest in other alternative technologies as well. Maybe look into some start up companies that could use the capital perhaps. At the risk of sounding like a fool, I’m not a Capitalist so I’m not really interested in investing for financial gain, if it could help a young company who is trying to do the right thing, I would be more than happy to invest.

        • TZToronto

          Agreed on the capitalist thing. Simply doing the right thing is enough. . . . I look at people I know who are very well-to-do, and I wonder how they got all that money from running a small business. The only way they could have accumulated their wealth was by charging way more than their merchandise was actually worth–and probably by paying their employees less than they should have.

          • joe schmo

            You are a moron, Thanks for taking the American Dream and flushing it right down the toilet. Small business is the catapult America was based on. If you want to ruin innovation ruining small business is a fantastic way of doing it Comrad. Your ideas need to go to Cuba where they belong and you can take your now corrupt unions as well as this president with you.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Your name is very appropriate as you are indeed a schmo,not far removed from a schmuck.Just because someone owns and operates a small business does not confer decency upon them and there are those small businesses that do not treat their employees well.
            You should pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.

          • highpckts

            And you can’t carry on a decent conversation without calling someone a name! Grow up!

          • Sand_Cat

            Not surprising you think those who face reality are “morons.” It’s obvious your grip on the concept is slim to non-existent. Stick to fighting those “hate groups” you rant about: the American Civil Liberties Union (defends the Constitution and the Bill of Rights), the National Association of the Advancement of Colored People (defends the Bill of Rights and common decency), and the Southern Poverty Law Center (defends the poor who face discrimination). With enemies like those, you have more than enough to fight without going full tilt against reality as well.

          • TZToronto

            I’m especially pleased to see that you placed the period inside the quotation marks. . . . Really, though, the organizations you’ve mentioned, which spend their time protecting the rights of all, receive the wrath of the far right because they usually defend the rights of those with little ability to defend themselves. The fact that these organizations also fight for the rights of all–including those who condemn them–is lost on those on the far right.

          • joe schmo

            What an ass. You think every Conservative is a racist. That is your sides fabrication of untruths to keep us suppressed…..and, honestly, it has been working up to this point.

            Totally ridiculous. I have said it on many occasions. There are more and more ethnic groups joining the ranks on our side. Sorry it’s true.

            Not saying there are not hate groups. They exist on both sides.

          • FredAppell

            Apparently doing the right thing isn’t enough to persuade everyone. It’s a conditioning that needs to change. It’s the younger generations that will be forced to make those changes, they won’t have any alternative as they’re witnessing the “American Scheme” at play. There’s a lot of younger people starting co-ops and their excited about the potential of for the future. They’re trying to do something positive and yet they still draw criticisms from the status-quo crowd who refuse to open their minds to truth.

    • dpaano

      Fred: Unfortunately, there are Christians, and then there are the RADICAL Christians (or evangelicals, as they call themselves). Real Christians are a little more intelligent, but it’s unfortunate that the GOP is full of the “evangelical” ones! They read the bible in an entirely different way than most Christians……instead of helping the poor, they do everything they can to cause them more grief, etc., etc., etc… denying climate change is just ONE of their ridiculous beliefs.;

      • FredAppell

        I’m finally starting to understand the distinction between Christians. I’m an altruistic agnostic but I feel I have more in common with atheists thanks to radical Christianity and radical Islam.

  • Dominick Vila

    Regardless of whether the main cause (s) for the meltdown of the polar caps and glaciers in places like Iceland and the Andes are part of a natural phenomena or man made, there is no question that carbon emissions are accelerating global warming.
    I think it is an embarrassing that the country with the most wealth, knowledge, and resources to curb carbon emissions is the one that refuses to do much to correct that problem. Our satellite imagery, our scientific know-how, and visual knowledge gained by our presence and explorations in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres confirm the dangers we are facing, and the consequences of what is likely to happen to lowland regions worldwide…and we do nothing to avoid impacting the profits being posted by our oil giants and the carbon industry.
    As usual, we will wait until the situation becomes a crisis…and it is extremely expensive to correct. Likely consequences include dramatic changes in weather patterns, lack of potable water, insufficient irrigation water, and scarcity of food. While most of the world prepares for the inevitable, we continue to point out that oil company scientists reject global warming, that it is a liberal cause, and that everything is just fine in the world of make believe. I am not worried about the impact of the greatest calamity affecting life on Earth since the Ice Age, but I fear that my children and grandchildren will be among those who will face the greatest tragedy affecting mankind during the past several millennia. Who knows, maybe the GOP is planning to harvest mangoes and guavas in the Arctic Circle…

    • Mark Forsyth

      Obviously there are those who think it’s better to waste money on a pound of cure when an ounce of prevention would have done the trick.

      • dpaano

        YEah, look at the pollution in China….of course, one good thing…many American companies are coming back to the USA because of the pollution problems.

        • Mark Forsyth

          I guess China must be allowed its learning curve just like us.You won’t hear too much about it but there are those in China who are working very hard to resolve their air pollution problems.

    • dpaano

      They’ve recently discovered that some of the earthquakes in California were caused by oil drilling….interesting???

      • Mark Forsyth

        Makes sense.The earth is a living entity.Remove enough life blood, in this case,oil, from any living entity and the internal pressure will lessen and come under the influence of outside pressure causing a shift.In other words— somethings gotta give.

  • joe schmo

    Oh joy, another Climate change fallacy. Didn’t you know that Europe is way ahead of America on this one. They are actually are now stating that Climate change is not exactly accurate. In Germany for instance the Green party no longer has any merit. In England top scientists are now debunking their assesments:

    A leaked draft of a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is understood to concede that the computer predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.

    The report, to be published later this month, is a six year assessment which is seen as the gospel of climate science and is cited to justify fuel taxes and subsidies for renewable energy.

    The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail
    on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per
    decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their
    last assessment published in 2007.

    Other admission in the latest document include that forecast computers may not have taken enough notice of natural variability in the climate, therefore exaggerating the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures.

    One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

    The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

    A chilly Arctic summer has left
    533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same
    time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.”

    rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported
    that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

    days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken
    ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the
    Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.

    Read more:

    I would agree that we all need to be environmentally conscience. However you idiots are taking it to an unnecessarily extreme level. If you are so worried about pollution why don’t you ask the government to make these issues more clear to countries such as China (so polluted they have to have a sign of the sun for all to see) and South America (Where the rivers are polluted by strip miners who also ruin the environment)

    Give me a break. America is doing just fine…. You are making matters worse for all of us. Being aware is one thing. Being an extreme lunatic is another. Oh, that’s right, the new 1% they come from your camp especially since we are no longer producer’s. Meaning manufacturing has gone overseas because of the high taxes and the new billionaires no longer employ because they have figured out how to make millions just by brainwashing the minions and brainwashing the masses. They don’t even employ a soul.

    • highpckts

      So we just wait, according to you, and let it take it’s course so that when the time comes it will cost billions if anything can saved? Yeah! Right!

    • Sand_Cat

      Good. why don’t you move there? Russia sounds just like your kind of place.

      • TZToronto

        Now, now. Play nice with the schmo. First, models are just that. Any scientist would agree that models do not predict with total accuracy. However, they do point in the direction of trends. So, while the north polar ice sheet may actually be more solid today that was predicted by climate models, this does not mean that the model itself is wrong, only that the chance variations that are acknowledged in the model are within the range of predicted variation. Thus, we may see some years that are colder or warmer than predicted, but the general trend will be in the warmer direction. So the schmo may be more or less correct about the actual temperatures today, but he will probably be very wrong in the long term. As for the schmo living in Russia, I’d suggest that he choose a location away from the coast.

        • joe schmo

          LOL, funny you should mention. I actually do live on the coast. Maybe the ice sheet will extend down further this winter. Notice it is no longer ‘Global Warming’ rather it is now known as ‘Climate Change.’

          The huge failure of
          “expert” climate science goes all the way back to the IPCC’s genesis: its 1990 predictions provide the 99.9% proof that their global warming
          fear-mongering is without scientific merit…..

          Government Leaders are Frustrated With the IPCC for Acknowledging Reality – See more at:

          Predictions made in the 70’s that never came true:

          “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration
          and possible extinction.”
          • New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

          “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
          • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

          THIS IS A GOOD ONE….

          “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution
          will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
          • Life Magazine, January 1970

          EVEN BETTER ONE…..

          “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
          • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist


          “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will
          spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and CentralAmerica will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
          • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

          MAY 8TH 2014 ARTICLE

          “One of the world’s most eminent climate scientists – for several decades a warmist – has defected to the climate sceptic camp.

          Lennart Bengtsson – a Swedish climatologist, meteorologist, former director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg and
          winner, in 2006, of the 51st IMO Prize of the World Meteorological Organization for his pioneering work in numerical weather prediction – is by some margin the most distinguished scientist to change sides.”

          Alllll that wasted money going to people like Al Gore. He’s made millions just having fools like you believe him….LOLOLOL

      • joe schmo

        Did I even mention Russia? I just stated that the ice sheet extended to Russia. Would be an easy walk for you, but Russia is not quite so Communist anymore. Cuba is more your speed.

        • Sand_Cat

          I just suggested that Russia would likely be a good fit for racist neo-Nazis such as yourself. If you prefer Cuba (though it’s not in Europe), fine, but I should think there’d be too many dark-skinned people there for your taste.

          • joe schmo

            Remember I am a National/Capitalist/Constitutionalist. There is no social in that Regime. Contraire, you are the socialist who would change this country with your ideology, Comrade. Your wrong, the Cuban’s who are American citizens like Rubio are hard workers and overjoyed to be free. What it your bias is showing…

          • Sand_Cat

            Yes, you’re a “Constitutionalist” who hates the Bill of Rights and a National Capitalist, which is pretty much what the National “Socialists” really were.

          • joe schmo

            Nope. You are the individuals who hate the Bill of Rights, Constitution, Amendments, American Flag (you might as well fly the damn thing upside down), Pledge of Alligiance, God and Country, Patriotism, Liberty for all. There is nothing even close to socialism in my belief system. But in yours…..hmmm Progressive/ socialist, anti-colonial, Communist.

            You think you can suppress me with your total ‘racist’ comments. What makes me a racist? That’s how you think you have me by the balls. Go stuff yourself, your crap is furthest from the truth. Honestly, Conservatives are sick to death of the PC police. Your last statement makes no sense whatsoever.

    • Sand_Cat

      Did you read the report yourself, or just an interpretation by your favorite wingnut website?

      • joe schmo

        Of course, I always do:) That’s how we learn by reading, observing and experiencing. Literally, by doing our own research…..

        • Sand_Cat

          So who gave you the leaked draft?

    • dtgraham

      This isn’t just about being “environmentally conscience” joe. You make it sound like littering. This is a serious problem.

      The Arctic sea ice is up from last year because last year was the lowest it has ever been. This year’s sea ice coverage is still far lower than the average. Because one year happens to be better than the last, that doesn’t mean that the ice cap isn’t shrinking overall. It just means that it had a good year.

      What the fossil fuel industry funded deniers like to do is focus on short term noise while ignoring the long term trend.

      Over the last 140 years global surface temperatures have risen by abut 1.0 C. Within this record there have been several periods lasting a decade or more during which temperatures have risen very slowly or cooled. The current period of slightly reduced warming is hardly unprecedented and 15 year long periods are not unusual.

      As to the pause, the trend in the HadCRUT4 global surface temperature dataset since 1997 is 0.084+-0.152C per decade. The GISS and NCDC datasts show a similar warming trend since 1997. While that trend may not be statistically significant, the central value is positive, meaning that the average surface temperature has warmed over this period.

      • joe schmo

        Graham, in the history of this planet, the temperatures have ebbed and flowed. Similar temperatures effected the time period between 950-1280 A.D.

        One of the world’s most eminent climate scientists – for several decades a warmist – has defected to the climate sceptic camp.

        Lennart Bengtsson – a Swedish climatologist, meteorologist, former director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg and winner, in 2006, of the 51st IMO Prize of the World Meteorological Organization for his pioneering work in numerical weather prediction – is by some margin the most distinguished scientist to change sides.

        ‘There has now been over 17 years with no measurable atmospheric global warming and a slight cooling in the past 12 years. I will try to give you the answer to the question “is there global cooling?” As you are well aware there is a huge effort around the globe to counter the alleged impact of mankind on the world’s climate. If in fact mankind will cause the seas to rise appreciably by causing CO2 induced global warming then certainly let’s do something about it. But, what if global warming is not what they say it is? What if the world’s temperature is headed in the opposite direction? Global temperatures increased for twenty years from the late 1970s to the late 1990s but have either stopped warming or have begun to cool in the last seventeen years. The global warming and subsequent cooling were even predictable due to hundreds of years of historical trends and observation of the impact of variations in solar activity and ocean cycles on global temperatures.

        Did you know that in the past the Roman Period and Medieval Period were both several degrees warmer than today’s temperature. The world then cooled at least four degrees from approx. 1450 to 1850. This period was called the Little Ice Age (a period of glacial advance, the same glaciers that have been in retreat until recently). These temperature variations were not caused by man. They were caused entirely by natural forces.’

        Ocean temperatures are not warming:
        *NSIDC/NASA AMSR-E also shows that the overall trend of ocean temperatures since 2002 is one of cooling in spite of a recent short lived El Nino warming event link
        The oceans have been cooling which is contrary to climate model predictions link See how Argo is measuring ocean temperatures throughout the globe link Argo research (with its 3,300 ocean buoys) has found ocean temperatures are cooler. link link
        The PDO (Pacific) is moving towards a cool period (La Nina). See current ocean surface temperatures from the NOAA link link
        Track mid Atlantic storm formation here, NOAA link

        Solar energy is in decline. This has led to cooler temperatures in the past

        So what has changed? CO2 concentrations continue to increase yet temperatures have been falling since 2002? Polar ice is growing. Storm intensity is in decline. One reason may be that solar activity is at the lowest level in almost a Century. link link link See what the sun looks like with and without sunspots link In the past periods with fewer sunspots and lower solar activity were ones with cooler temperatures. It is believed by some scientists that lower solar activity increases cloud formation and this has a cooling effect. If the past is a predictor of the future, these changes in solar activity will cause a 30 year period of cooling temperatures on earth and in fact it appears that this has already begun. See solar activity charts here link

        See the combined impact of ocean and solar cycles on global temperatures.

        NASA recently announced that due to the expected multi decade continuation of low solar activity that global temperatures should continue to cool. How much will rising CO2 levels offset this? If the past is a predictor of the future, not much.

        • dtgraham

          Lennart Bengtsson hasn’t changed sides at all. He’s still part of the roughly 97% of climate scientists who point to human activity. He simply urges a little more caution as to the degree and timeline of climate change, with more focus on timeline.

          In his prepared statement to the Swedish Riksdag, Bengtsson wrote that the Earth’s energy balance is slowly changing due to increasing greenhouse gasses and anthropogenic aerosols, and this isn’t in question by the scientific community. He went on to say that this is physically well understood and based on fundamental physical principles since at least the middle of the 19th century. He cautioned that what is not as well understood is to what degree this is changing the climate of the earth presently and how fast future increases in changes will happen.

          Statement by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences: “The IPCC working group (the physical science basis) has given a broad systematic summary of the scientific literature on climate change and has concluded that the anthropogenic emission of greenhouse gases has led to an increase of the surface temperatures of the earth.”

          No one denies that natural climate change happens. I’m well aware of the variety in solar radiation that trigger changes in atmospheric and oceanic circulation patterns caused by the interaction with greenhouse gases. I can read.

          The problem here is that you’re comparing warming periods of hundreds or thousands of years to the same warming over a much shorter period of time, and then asking why that is so different? Change is one thing over long periods of time but when warming occurs and then starts to spike abruptly–accompanied by a large increase in atmospheric greenhouse gasses–that is prima facie evidence that humans are influencing climate.

          We should be more concerned about raw CO2 measurements. Those aren’t produced with statistics, but actual measurements from air bubbles trapped in ice sheets going back a half million years. This data shows an alarming and sudden spike in CO2 in the recent past (200 years). CO2’s long term effect on global climate is well known when interacting with other variables.

          Incidentally, the earth hasn’t been cooling since 1997. The rate of increase in warming has dropped perceptibly, with some odd year variations, and is not considered statistically significant. As I was saying previously, the HadCRUT4 data does bear that out. Also, polar ice has been shrinking and the oceans have been warming overall, with the exception of certain years and periods. Again, it’s long term trends that count. Try and stay off those winger websites. They’ll lie straight up to you and have no problem doing it. They have an agenda.

    • Allan Richardson

      The only items that REAL scientists are unsure of is the EXACT FORM and exact amount of climate change. The deniers are like someone standing on a railroad track, who ridicule the person standing off the track warning of an approaching train. Despite the fact that the person on the track can see and hear the train, they refuse to move until you tell them what kind of locomotive it is, and exactly how many cars; they feel okay being hit by a 50 car train but not a 51 car train, and how sure are you that the 51st car exists?

      Fool, just jump off the track and you can LIVE TO COUNT the cars!

      • joe schmo

        Nonsense! There is just too much scientific evidence to prove you fools otherwise. Europe who is very environmentally conscience is giving up the ghost. The Americans are the outdated ones. People in your camp like Gore have made millions off your foolish beliefs…..

  • Sand_Cat

    The true moral crisis of our times is one that helps drive climate change at an ever-increasing rate, and virtually assures that the US will never do enough: so long as corporations are “persons” and money is “speech,” there is virtually no chance that ANY of the problems facing the US will be addressed.

  • dpaano

    Another good book to read is “The Last Days of the Late, Great State of California.” It’s a pretty old book, but it was scary as hell! People don’t realize how important one state can be to the rest of the country, and this was a real eye-opener!! It’s one of two books that has stayed with me for years, and if you can find it, I’d recommend it highly!!