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Monday, March 19, 2018

The 2016 presidential election is still almost 700 days away, but the campaign is already getting underway. Over the weekend, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee became the latest candidate to explore a run for the White House.

Huckabee, who unsuccessfully pursued the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, announced on Saturday that he is ending his eponymous Fox News show to consider joining the race.

“As much as I have loved doing the show, I cannot bring myself to rule out another presidential run,” Huckabee said. “As we say in television, stay tuned!”

Huckabee would be a long shot to actually win the Republican nomination, much less the presidency. While his unflinching social conservatism has made him popular with the religious right, his far-right views would leave him incredibly vulnerable in a national campaign. Huckabee’s opponents could make a strong case that his history of inflammatory comments — such as his lecture on “Uncle Sugar” and women’s libidos, or his insistence that Roe v. Wade makes America worse than Nazi Germany, or his full-throated defense of Todd Akin — would make him completely unelectable in a general election. In contrast to his extreme social conservatism, Huckabee’s economic record as governor — which includes raising taxes, increasing government spending, and trying to protect some undocumented immigrants from deportation — leaves many Republicans suspicious. And perhaps most importantly, it remains unclear whether Huckabee can raise the roughly $150 million needed to survive the primary season.

Still, Republicans must take his candidacy very seriously. Because even if Huckabee doesn’t win the nomination, he could play a huge role in determining who ultimately does.

Huckabee is arguably the most popular politician in the country among conservative Christians. In 2008, he won eight states — Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and West Virginia — all of which rank among the most evangelical in the nation. As Aaron Blake recently illustrated in the Washington Post, Huckabee’s vote totals nearly equaled the evangelical population in most of the 31 states in which he appeared on the ballot.

There’s reason to believe that he could repeat or even improve upon those results if he runs again 2016. Huckabee has spent the past six years regularly appearing on Fox News, raising his name recognition to the top tier of prospective GOP candidates. He is better liked than any of his competitors. And as a result, he currently leads most of his likely opponents in early polling of the 2016 race.

That said, it seems likely that the competition for evangelical voters will be much tougher in 2016 than it was when Huckabee last ran; candidates such as Texas senator Ted Cruz, Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal, and former Texas governor Rick Perry will surely compete for Huckabee’s base, and cut into it to at least some degree. That could be bad news for evangelicals’ hopes of nominating a culture warrior. If, for example, Cruz were to split the evangelical vote with Huckabee, it could doom both of them in the Iowa caucus and in a potential “SEC Super Tuesday,” featuring March 1 primaries in Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi Tennessee.

So ironically, Huckabee’s candidacy may be the best thing that could happen for perceived moderates like Jeb Bush or Rand Paul. But if he can unify the religious right behind him — and he seems to have a better chance of doing so than any other Republican — then Mike Huckabee could be a very formidable challenger in his own right.

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298 Responses to Don’t Sleep On Mike Huckabee In 2016

  1. The problem with Huckabee is what it is with all conservatives: they are too too too parochial. They believe that the way they live and work on a day to day basis is how all Americans live and work. That’s patently out of touch with reality. No one who lives in the breakneck speedy environment up north will ever do the Confederate Crawl or the Midwest slog. Not going to happen. This is why these types of politicians just don’t get it. They are into “force.” In a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people? I don’t think so. Huckabee is a worn out, tired out, washed out conservative whose platitudes of enforced conservatism will only result in enormous blowback and revolt.

    And, if there is one unmistakable element of life in the hectic, fast paced progressive societies, it’s that these are people unafraid to mass into angry mobs to stop conservative enforcement. You want to be a conservative? Run with it. Just don’t dare to try and ram it down everyone else’s throats. Particularly not when it is so out of the realm of the realities we live, work and exist in.

      • I never pass judgment on others until I’ve listened carefully to them and have studied their backgrounds. Mike Huckabee is far too religiously embedded in that Christian fundamentalist movement to be president. We cannot allow any president to be biased toward any religion in a way that attempts mass conversion of the entire country. That’s my impression of Mike Huckabee from what I’ve heard him say on his TV program. I find Huckabee strangely ignorant to the fact that his brand of religious conversionism omits one fact, it may be “Christian” but, it isn’t Catholic as Catholics understand Christianity. For example, Catholics know their duty and obligation to the Works of Mercy…feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, give solace to the imprisoned. Does that sound like anything Huckabee would EVER agree to? Immediately, his version of Christianity flies in the face of all practicing Catholics. Not to mention Jews, Muslims, Buddists and atheists.

        As for JEB Bush, my fear is that the same people who voted for his brother without bothering to study JEB’s past will ignore that JEB has a lot of rather dark, onerous skeletons in his closet…namely his Miami association with two frauds…Padrera and Recarey.

          • It might have escaped notice that it was Karl Rove who in the last election managed to dredge up nearly $2 million in campaign contributions. I believe every dime handed to the GOP should be investigated by the Justice Dept. Remember our US History? Harding Secy. of the Interior got thrown in prison for conflict of interest for trying to sell federal lands to oil interests who made huge contributions to GOP campaigns. Conflict of interest in campaigns is still illegal.

  2. I love to see the equivalent to an Islamic Ayatollah as the Republican nominee in 2016, but that is not about to happen. I disagree with most GOP policies, vision, and their record, but they are not stupid. They know that what appeals to the evangelicals and Tea Party advocates spells disaster at a national level. I expect them to nominate a conservative, with a clean record (as politically clean as can be expected for a Republican), and a person that would not appear controversial to mainstream Americans. The last thing we want or need is someone determined to impose his religious views on everyone else, and use them as a moral compass to govern.

  3. I I’m not in the least bit concerned who becomes the next President or from what Political cartel they come from. The direction of the government is what it is and it’s that way because the people have demanded it. Although there is push pack at a decent level that may slow things, our government will go the way of all governments. They will continue to become more tyrannical, a little at a time, so as not to really be noticed by the sheople. The only thing keeping them from outright oppression is an armed citizenry that they have not figured out how to disarm.
    Some folks want gun control in the misbelief it will end gun violence and gun related death. Many of these same folks will march in a pro choice rally the day after the anti-gun rally. Then, the day after that, they will rally to protect some silly animal (like the snail darter) to the detriment of an entire society in California. The next day they will protest a coal fired power plant because they believe the utter BS called global warming that has been debunked and basically destroyed by the fact that the planet’s mean temperature hasn’t risen in 18 years and every one of the 70 + models have been seriously WRONG. But I digress. People are always wanting Government to act in some manner for some reason, one day people will awaken to find out they have given birth to a monster. Too late!
    As far as Huckabee, he’ll never get past the primary. Just like in the past few elections, the top two (if no incumbent) have already been decided. We just don’t know who they picked yet. The Lame Stream Media is helping to tell us, as they have in the past. Long before the primaries began in 2011, FOX was talking up Romney everyday when the subject was discussed. Now, the talk is all about Jeb Bush and Hillary. It don’t matter. Most people who have paid attention with an open mind see little difference between Bush and Obama and there will be little or no difference in the next member of the elite ruling class to take office from the previous two.
    The next Presidential campaign has begun, this may eclipse the last two as the longest ever. This shouldn’t come as a surprise, as governing is not really important to them. Having their ego’s fed by the sheople that will legitimize their oppression in the next election is what makes them happy.

    • CONgratulations! That is about the most ridiculous, asinine, down the rat hole rant, I’ve read in a very long long time! Whenever I come across a specimen such as yourself, my advice to them is, whatever you do, don’t vote! Don’t encourage them. Simply refuse to feed, and stroke the giant egos of the people’s repressors of, Big Gov. And I say this to you as a proud American, and as a public service.

      • Refute it then. If I’m so wrong then please provide evidence to show otherwise. Personal attacks simply amuse me as they show complete ignorance and the inability to refute or even debate the subject matter. ROFLMAO

        • Your posts are so convoluted and asinine that only someone else with your -10 IQ could even comprehend them enough to make an accurate rebuttal!!!!

          • ROFLMAO! Latebloominggrandma had one of the most well presented and well researched reply that anyone here has been able to give to any of my political subject comments. You might want to apologize to her because she was great! Your reply, well, lacks any form of thought and is based on useless emotionalism. You might try emulating the more intelligent posters like Latebloomingrandma.. At least she knows that polite and respective debate will get the same in return. She is NOT a dickhead!

          • You talk like I should care what you think. Sorry, I’ve given up on that long ago with you Klan folks. I’m done wasting my time trying to carry on rational conversations with nitwits who are only here to create as much distraction as possible and are determined not to believe the truth on anything.

            What did it buy latebloominggrandma to respond to you with the truth outlined in a well thought response?? You blew her off didn’t you?? And why, because you’re nothing more than a Klan lowlife – and as far as I’m concerned – you know just where you can go and I’m fairly confident that’s where you will end up with your history of spewing Blatant Lies!!!

          • This is the common reply by those who cannot debate politely or with any sense of factual intelligence. You are a emotional reactionary, or in the terms that Federal politicians would use, a “useful idiot”.

      • Charleo, any idea what seems to have gotten the Klan into having their mindless sheeple invade the NM?? Seems like they’re overrunning a number of articles around race, abortion and our improving economy. They’re convoluted rhetoric is so absurd, I’ve decided not to even wade into the fray. Their idiocy is just astounding that people can be that stupid.

        Have you seen this? (I think DISH dropped Faux News):

        Fox News Is OFF the Air and the Foul Odor of Deception has Ceased

        The demagogues have taken a break over at Fox News due to not wanting to pay to spread their hate and I hope for the sake of truth this remains a reality. Truth? A word Fox News has rendered useless. Fox News gives the haters what they yearn for… Lies, Distortions and Hate.

        Fox News the most trusted source for bigotry and hate.

        See the rest here:

    • Global warming/climate change has NOT been debunked! 97 out of 100 scientists support global climate change evidence. That is like you saying that a doctor told you that you have cancer. You sought more opinions. 97 doctors told you you have cancer had 3 told you you don’t. Therefore, these 3 debunked the evidence for reasons A-B-C. You’ll go along with it. Good luck with that.

      • While I try to stay on subject, just for you I will address your reply. The 97 out of 100 talking point is a made up statistic with zero basis of fact. Another Left Wing Lie propagated by those who want to push a dying agenda. Even the fathers of global warming are coming out and admitting the were wrong. Here are some fact, yes facts that can help you with this subject:

        Remote Sensing Systems, which provide data to NASA, NOAA and the National Science Foundation, show the global mean surface temperature of the Earth has not risen for 18 consecutive years despite a 9 percent increase in CO2.

        The “scare” of global warming from the use of carbon fuels and other human activities “is over,” contend scientists at the Chicago-based Heartland Institute.

        “This extends the so-called ‘pause’ in global warming to a new record, one not predicted by the climate models of the United Nations’ International Panel on Climate Change,” the organization said.

        Craig Idso, senior fellow in environment for the Heartland Institute and co-editor of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change, a counterpart to the U.N.’s IPCC, said it’s “time for global warming diehards to face the facts.”

        “Think about that. Over this time period the air’s CO2 content has risen some 40 parts per million, which represents fully one-third the total global CO2 increase since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, yet contrary to model projections, planetary temperatures have failed to rise,” Idso said.

        I think we may be close to the same age, if so, you should remember the 70’s when a similar claim was made when scientist’s were spouting off about a coming ice age. Remember all the Global Cooling garbage back then? I think it’s safe to say that Al Gore was wrong. He said the ice caps would be gone by 2013, they’re bigger than average as we speak. He said cities on the coast would be underwater, yet not one city ever prepared for this to actually happen, which should tell you right off the get go that the politicians knew it was all BS. The polar bears are doing great and prospering too! They claimed that after Hurricane Katrina hit that storms would get more frequent and stronger, then the total opposite happened.

        It’s a hoax and a fraud to suck more money from the people in the form of carbon taxes. Take a good look at the countries that signed on to the Koyota Protocal,, like Spain for example. It has literally destroyed the economy. The factories left or were forced to close. All the facts are out there for the taking, you just won’t find them on any Left Wing rag like the Daily Kos or Media Matters.

        • Another little tidbit. If it were true, it wouldn’t be a political issue. Think an incoming asteroid as being the same subject. 97 out of 100 scientist’s say that the asteroid will hit earth. I doubt that this would become a political issue, don’t you?

          • The sensing systems are bipartisan and have no political views, they just measure temperature and cannot lie! So tell me, why do we still have the polar ice caps, which are 1million KM above normal when Al Gore said they would be gone? Why aren’t the coastal cities under water like he predicted, which not ONE politician prepared for?

          • Friends in Norway advised me only yesterday that snowfall there gas been declining for 2o years. Miles is simply ignorant of the facts that the vast majority of scientists are aware of.

        • Gary, I guess we are destined to be at constant loggerheads, as we seem to view the world through different lenses. I live a conservative life, so would seem to have conservative views, but when it comes to politics and governing, I don’t understand the conservative view and cognitive dissonance in their rhetoric. I prefer to look forward and, though nostalgic at times, have no desire to back to the 50’s.
          I have not heard of the Heartland Institute , so googled it. It is a think tank with bragging rights as the premier push-back to climate change. Nothing wrong with that premise on its face. But they therefore seek to gather “data” to support their preconceived conclusion. That is not science where you work with a hypothesis and the experiments or data leads you to the answer. The hypothesis is then either supported or not supported.
          They do not accept gov’t money. Great. But their list of donors is not made public. The institute is associated with the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank funded by the Kochs. Ah ha! Two + two still= 4.
          Their other part of their mission statement talks about free market solutions. This always means big money and oil interests. In the USA all roads regarding these things lead to the Kochs.

          And like all professions, some people can be bought. I’m sure they have bought and paid for climatologists and economists. Heartland is not a reliable source.
          As a religious person (yes, some of us libs are), I am going to make a distinctly un-scientific remark: How many times does the good Lord have to hit people on the head with a 2×4, before we understand that something different is going on? We are supposed to be stewards of the earth for future generations. The climate is changing, which is different than “weather.” The hottest recorded summer temps have occurred in the past 12 years. Storms are more violent. The west has droughts and raging fires. We will soon have food shortages and refugees fleeing parts of the earth that have become unlivable.
          I think we as a society are supposed to use our frontal lobes doing something besides making money.

          • I’m gonna bet that your are a wonderful person who can see the common sense you posted. Because it works both ways. Yes, scientist’s can be bought. many of them have become quite wealthy due to the grants provided by the government. As long as they can claim that climate change is real, they are financially happy. On the other side, you have posted some very valuable information. Basically, the evidence I provided come from a group of scientists who are NOT funded by the government. Let’s review what each group wants from us, the people. One group who pays scientist’s want to tax us (carbon tax) more and take our energy costs more expensive. The other group is not asking the people for anything.

            One group claimed that the polar ice caps would be gone by now (it’s in Gore’s movie). They are doing quite well and are 1 million km above average. The coastal cities are supposed to be flooded because the ice caps melted. You have ample common sense to see where I’m going so I’ll quit with those issues.

            The weather is pretty much the same as it always is, unpredictable. The very scientist’s who claim they can predict the climate 100 years out, can’t predict the weather in Boise Idaho next week with any more than 20% reliability.

            Our earth has been going through cycles of warming and cooling since it has been a planet. Today we know that those cycles are predicated by sun activity. The claim that CO2 and other greenhouse gases are keeping the heat in, causing global warming fails the common sense test. It the heat can’t get out, then it also can’t get in!

            Im sure your remember the 1970’s when scientists were claiming we were heading towards a new ice age. A few even went as far as suggesting that we cover the polar ice caps with black soot to help melt them. Thank God we didn’t do that.

            Humans only inhabit 15 % of this earth. To believe that we can affect the planets natural ways, aka climate is pure arrogance. Our earth will far outlast humans, as it outlasted dinosaurs. I’m sure that some idiot scientist will claim that it was dinoshit putting CO2 in the climate led to their demise. That’s said in jest of course, as I’m typing this as a friend not an enemy. I mean no disrespect in any way!

            If Global warming were real, then why did it change to climate change? Maybe because the warming part wasn’t cooperating. Think about that! PEACE and god Bless!

          • When people, regular people and corporation people (ha ha), are hit in the pocketbook, it can usually effect a change. Necessity is the mother of invention. A carbon tax can be the impetus for change. The country needs to bite the bullet and do it.

          • It’s happening now as California’s Global Warming tax takes effect, which is now at 10 cents on each gallon of gas. That price could rise considerably depending on how the “cap and trade” scheme goes. The only thing that will come of this is that the government of California has found a new way to steal money from the people. When it begins to hurt, the people will fight back. All of this has already happened. Spain agreed to reducing CO2 levels by agreeing to the Koyota Protacal (my spelling may be off, in a hurry). It didn’t reduce CO2 levels and devastated the country’s economy. Now, the people are paying the price of these ridiculous schemes.

            In retrospect, I’m a “be careful what you ask for” person and I always try to think ahead. When Obamacare kicked in, I can’t forget the news report from a woman who supported healthcare for everyone, Then she said “I just didn’t think I would have to pay for it”. She got what she asked for, and didn’t like it.

            I liked your (he,he) remark on the corporate side of payment, but sadly the last laugh will be on you. Corporation ALWAYS pass these costs on to the consumer, or, you and I. Obama has said, under his cap and trade plan, energy bill’s would necessarily skyrocket. That means you and I will foot the bill again.

            In short, I will simply send a heartfelt warning, “be careful what you ask for”

            On a kind note, I hope you are healthy and happy on this fine day. I’m in the middle of a snow storm, which is normal for this time of year. .

          • I just wanted to say, of all your comments, and I’ve read a lot of good ones over the years. For what it’s worth, I think this one is absolutely the best!!!

      • Personal attacks with zero substance is quite amusing. Can you actually explain your attack with something of substance?

        • Take it any way you want it! You are wrong on so many levels and I’m not going to spell it out for you because, like your like minded GOPers, there are no facts, just insane peronal reasoning!

          • It is typical of many on the Left to engage in mindless banter, repeat the idiots on MSNBC and conclude that they are always right without one lick of critical thinking. Maybe it’s laziness or maybe it’s just the limited ability to think critically. No matter! live and let live!

          • Well, it does matter. It matters a lot. Debunking your extremist ideology whenever, and wherever it raises it’s ignorant head. After all, if it had been strangled in the crib by it’s natural enemies, facts, common sense, and a minimum, “C” grade in a primary school Civics Class. We wouldn’t have to wasting our time with it today. It would remain relegated to the fringes of an educated, progressive society. And abandoned to the rumination of a few malcontents, whiners, and anti-social agitators, to discuss their collective paranoia amongst themselves. Then who would need to care, except child protective services, to look out for the innocent.

          • Nothing has been debunked. Go back to Reagan, who ran on smaller government, the government got bigger under his administration and has continued to do so ever since. What is there to debunk? Some people want gun control, fact. Many who want gun control are also pro-choice, fact. Many who support those two issues are environmentalists, fact. And so on. Please quit with the mindless banter and actually debunk something.

          • What you need to debunk is your black, and white, simplistic way of summing up the issues. The issues of sensible gun control, and keeping the State out of people’s personal business, by not allowing the State to make every miscarriage a possible murder case. Are not two diametrically opposed positions. Although I don’t recall any marches for the protection of the snail darter, I’ll take your word on that. But since we are losing 1000 species every day Worldwide due to loss of habitat, and pollution. Many people of all political persuasions, see the preservation of the planet for future generations as an obligation they take very seriously. Every study paid for by the Gov, is not automatically suspect. (black.) As every publicly funded study paid for by the Koch Foundation, or Exxon-Mobile, on global climate change, is not automatically true. (white.) In fact, private entities have their own agendas too. Unless you believe the fossil fuel industry wouldn’t lie to you for money? What’s important is to know the vast majorities of these studies, funded by all sorts of organizations across the World, with no particular ax to grind, have upheld the hypothesis, that the unprecedented levels of carbon being pumped into the atmosphere is causing the heat of the sun to be trapped, warming the planet and causing changes in weather patterns, and more pronounced weather events around the World. And of this, there is really no longer any serious debate in the scientific communities. Now, that is probably not what you want to believe. I would prefer it not be true. But, I can’t just bury my head in the sand, and pretend it’s a hoax, as much as I’d like to.

          • Reagan ran on smaller government???? Is that why he added more than 265,000 workers to it??? And is that why right now, our government has 330,000 less workers than when he walked out of the oval office on 1/20/09??? Wow, you’re even stupider than I thought!!!

          • That was my point, try reading things a little more with your eyes and a little less with your politically confused emotions.

          • And NO, our govt is considerably bigger today than at any time in the 80’s or 90’s. Where are you getting you numbers, Media matters?

          • Sounds just like the GOP repeating mindless banter from Fox news without a lick of critical thinking! Fox “news” has been proven wrong more than 50% of the time and yet you still parrot all their thoughts! Who is lazy??

          • You must remember High Pockets, when we refer to critical thinking we mean putting the preponderance of evidence before our preferred conclusion. When the Wingnuts speak of critical thinking they mean sort everything first into two piles, left wing and right wing, then argue anything you can think up for your team. Two totally different approaches. One group is looking for answers, the other is convinced they already have all the answers, just haven’t said them loudly enough yet.

          • I don’t watch FOX news. I catch the local stuff and listen to music or watch sports. Interesting when people make silly claims that they can’t prove. Rather foolish to assume things that are false.

          • I agree so why are you assuming that all people on this site are either Liberals or Progressives? Maybe we just don’t like the way the GOP is heading or like their insane ideas on governing! If a good person came along to run for the Presidency that showed common sense, compassion and empathy for ALL people he would get my vote regardless of party!

          • I do not assume any such thing. The probability of all posters here being on the Left side of the political spectrum is ZERO. I don’t like the GOP either. I don’t like the Democrats, but my dislike is more so and I have explained that in another reply.
            You will never likely get a Presidential candidate with the qualities you desire. Neither will I. Do you not see that as agreement?

          • Thank you! I actually consider that a compliment. It shows I do not need a large group of people feeding bullshit to me in order to make rational decisions. What group do you belong too?

        • On the contrary, “highpckts,” did not attack you personally. He attacked your cynical, misinformed opinions. Which provide ample substance for attack by their own complete lack of merit. Especially their down the rat hole claptrap predictions of the U.S. Gov. “going the way of all gov.” Complete with the done to death, depiction of the American public, as a gov. dependent bamboozled, herd of, “Sheople.” That unlike you, and few other intellectual giants. Are blissfully unaware they are being led to slaughter. And at this prospect, you are sardonically amused, at your ultimate failure to awaken many, particularly liberals, from their gov. induced stupors. Isn’t that about it? And isn’t that about the most ridiculous thing for a person living in one of the most democratic Countries in the World to profess to believe?

          • Fortunately we are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. Guess that answers you’re flowery reply full of big words. Who you trying to impress?

          • Again with the, “We’re not a democracy,” idiocy.
            Are you afraid of democracy, Comrade. Or, just parsing definitions?… sardonic |särˈdänik| adjective. grimly mocking or cynical: Starkey attempted a sardonic smile.

          • YES The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly–through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums

          • The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly–through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums

          • The fact we’re a Constitutional Republic, doesn’t change the fact that we’re also one of the most democratic Countries.That’s what the Founders of this Republic set up. A small ‘d’ democratic form of government. Where the power to govern is granted by the governed. And because of that, Americans are some of least oppressed, and least tyrannized people in the World. A reality, even in the 21st century, only a small percentage of the World’s truly oppressed populations, can only aspire to. That’s why it rubs me the wrong way, when I read posts like the one Gary Miles, and others put up about our, “tyrannical gov.” here in this Country. Not that I think the gov, is perfect, far from it. But I can take one look at the rest of the World, and see how fundamentally, full of it, their characterizations of gov, in this Country are. And the narcissistic ignorance, and basic selfishness, with which they view the rest of the World around them, I
            find insufferable. And also, how little they care, or believe they need to care, if for nothing else, just their unbelievable good fortune of living in such a place, as The United States of America. No Sir. They’ll tell you they got their land out in the Country, they grow their own vegetables, hunt, fish, and they got their guns, in case the Country falls apart. And that evil oppressive Gov. in Washington comes to get them. But Liberals aren’t supposed to love their Country? We can’t be patriotic? Well, that’s what they claim.

  4. After eight years of total lies and grubering by the Obama administration, it’s not just the religious right who is looking for honesty in the next president.

    • The lies come from all sides and will
      be worse before they get better. The President tells the truth 90% of
      the time and is misinformed another 5% which isn’t bad as politicians
      go. There are some people in the media that never tell the whole
      truth and out right lie 60% of the time. Over the next two years
      people will try to tell me that the 25% gain in my 401k isn’t real
      and that I don’t deserve health care at a fair price. We will hear
      that America isn’t great anymore even though we have the strongest
      economy and the largest army on the planet. Let the real lies begin.

      • The stock market performance is based on the infusion by the Federal Reserve of massive amounts of cash into the financial system. It has nothing to do with economy.

        You can start bragging about the economy the moment the Federal Reserve changes/increases their interest rate. Then watch and see how big that 25% becomes.

        The market loves low interest rates.

        ACA at a fair price, funny!! Deductibles going higher, out of pocket higher, premiums higher, less choice in healthcare.

        And yet Obama promised $2500 savings under Obamacare.

        People are finding they can’t afford it. Obamacare is nothing more than redistribution of wealth.

        On Obama’s signature accomplishment he lied on every aspect of it. On the Stimulus you seem to forget that he laughed about those “Shovel Ready Jobs” that never existed. So, save us the 90% crap.

        Is our economy doing better than some parts of the world? Yes. What the size of the army has to do with the price of eggs seems strange.
        Maybe you should have said he lies 90% of the time.

        • So 83% true, However my 401K is up enough for me to retire 3 years ahead of schedule and my health insurance has gone down in cost The economy is doing better then in almost all parts of the world. Unemployment is down. Just because you don’t want the country to improve doesn’t mean it hasn’t. Are you out of work or do you know anyone who can’t find a job who wants one and can pass a drug test? You know about the fact checking sites so I guess you don’t believe them except for when you agree with them.

          • 83%, Really??? Again that’s funny.
            I acknowledged US doing better than most countries, unemployment is down because the greatest % of new hires are low paying, part-time, few full time medium to high wages, nothing to get excited about. Use the U6 numbers if you want to get enlightened.
            As to healthcare, happy for you!!! Ask the majority if their insurance went down, and is affordable they will tell you no. Premiums up, deductibles up, out of pocket up.
            Gee, I just wanted you to know all those false statements by Obama. I know you can show all the 90% true statements, Right??
            As to the rest of your post, pure delusion.

          • Hope you can retire soon. If the stock market tanks, which it will, your plans may be changing. Good time to buy Gold! Hint Hint

          • What do you plan on doing when your fiat won’t buy food? What happens when the grocery stores close due to a major power shortage. Gold buys everything, including food when food is mostly unattainable to others. I like coins, including silver because as the price increases during the bad times, it does so by weight. This makes an old silver dime very valuable today, despite the price decreases the last few years. The price will come back. It always does.

          • Gold only buys things from people who want gold, in a true crises it won’t buy anything. What happens when the grocery stores close? I guess I do the same thing I do when I’m snowed in, go down stairs and open a jar of something. I guess I’m only good for six months or so but I can grow enough at that point that I can go on endeffinetly. You see I’ve invested in things that are of true value. If there was a true crash then I wouldn’t have to worry about paying bills so money means nothing. Gold is a fools bet. That being said the economy isn’t going to crash and if you look around you will see that things are getting better. Over a ten year period the stock market always rises as does gold,

          • Excellent Bob, that is great. Living in the country, my concern is power, due to the fact that the powerlines that service us go through mostly forested countryside. While the worst was a 6 day outage, it has been occurring much less ,which is good. The generator solves that problem, but even that has it limitations. With that in mind, weather events are a player as well. There are times when the roads are a no go. Not a problem here ,as, like you, we are stocked a plenty. Most of what we eat is home grown/raised/hunted anyway, so we can do without a grocery store . Collecting coins is a fun hobby too!

          • I used to collect coins but now it tools. My generators good for about 10 days but I can live with out it. I’ve been looking into a water wheel. I’m not a survivalist but Ilike being prepared. Plus I’m cheap and like organic produce. I grow
            up with parents that grow most of our vegetables and we had to have about 3000 jars of veggies in the basement by fall or come spring we would be buying them. I still have the jars all though I don’t do nearly that many. I like frozen better. I must admit I laugh at some of the survivalists we try to buy everything and don’t have a clue do anything for themselves. A gun is only good as long as you have bullets so black power guns are better for the long haul. however arrows can be reused easier. I’m much more afraid of the weather. I
            get a kick out of those people that are afraid of the government.There aren’t enough people in the government to do anything. Take a look at the response to Sandy plus have you ever meet a liberal policeman?

          • Bob, I share your views on preppers. I’m not quite to their level and my main concern is the weather also. We’re packed, both canned and frozen. I like frozen too, but space is usual limited. I have two full freezers, one large for meat and a 7 cf for veggies. We buy all locally grown veggies that we don’t grow ourselves. I have a 75′ x 25 ‘ garden under the power lines that cross the property. I mostly can staples like potatoes, carrots , beans and tomatoes. We also make our own pasta sauce and salsa and can it. It’s a good hobby and provides good organic food. we also get our soil tested by Penn State university. It only costs about 30 bucks between shipping the dirt and their fee.

            I have plenty of bullets and also reload my own . I love my muzzleloaders too! Two crossbows and a compound with plenty of arrows and bolts. I’m an avid deer hunter and have had great success this year. I filled 6 tags with adult deer. Most is steaks, roasts and burger. We had the space so we didn’t can any, but we have plenty on the shelf still.

            I do not fear the government, I do follow the law. I do not like how they have grown into the monster that I feel they are. I’m a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but not an NRA member. I belong to the National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR) and as a veteran I’m an Oathkeeper as well. I don’t come close to worrying about gun control, which I actually find amusing. Some of the gun grabbing groups are a little confused if you ask me. Even if they could pass a law, who is going to be dumb enough to come and take them? Just saying!

            It’s nice to talk to someone who I have much in common with. Best wishes to you and your family!

            p.s. Yes, I have met a liberal cop!

          • This is only the beginning!!!
            Wait until Risk Corridors and Reinsurance are eliminated in 2017. Plus, not all of Obamacare has been implemented.
            Waiting to see argument by Administration in front of SCOTUS on subsidies. This could be moot if voted down.

          • When the majority of the people wake up, if, I should say because most are mental midgets, then things may change for the better. Doubt it though, for the stated reason.

          • It depends on what you consider smart. I educate myself on the issues and local politicians, to include meeting them if possible. I vote locally and in some cases for State Representatives at the State level. I don’t waste my time with Federal elections. In my humble opinion I believe it is an illusion of choice. They tell you who you can vote for. Try getting elected without being part of one of the political cartels.

          • I really feel sorry for you and the rest of your Klan friends posting on the NM – you’re all clearly sick in the head because you know full well that virtually everything your posting is a DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH. And all the data you supposedly bring up to prove your fabricated points is similarly nothing but fabricated data from either RWNJ websites – or articles published by RWNJs on normally reputable websites.

            So I’m through responding to you sick people. If you think your presence on the NM is accomplishing anything, the only thing you’re accomplishing is convincing all the SANE POSTERS that you RWNJs are really as EVIL AND CRAZY AS WE HAD PERCEIVED!!

          • Good Morning!!!
            This morning I wakened to 4 inane posts from you, 4!!!
            All you had to do was respond with proof that, in your words my post was filed with “blatant lies”,with real facts to refute my statements. In response from you I get a ranting post with not one rebuttal with facts to prove me wrong, incorrect, etc..
            And you feel sorry for you!!!! That is absolutely hilarious. You feel sorry for me!!!! Still laughing!!!
            No, it is you who is a pathetic ideologue who can’t see the forest for the trees. No matter what is said, shown to you, it is all a lie, yet you can’t produce the documentation necessary to prove your position, or disprove my statements.
            AND YOU FEEL SORRY FOR ME!!!! LOL!!!

          • Take your faked data and cram it!!


            Republicans embrace their phoniness

            The Republican Party has finally admitted what has been fairly obvious for much of the past six years: It produces fake news.

            This is not an earth-shattering revelation to anybody who has been paying attention, but, still, it’s an important step for the party to embrace the phoniness.

            “NRCC Launches Fake News Sites to Attack Democratic Candidates” was a headline in the National Journal on Tuesday.

            As Shane Goldmacher reported, “The National Republican Congressional Committee, which came under fire earlier this year for a deceptive series of fake Democratic candidate websites that it later changed after public outcry, has launched a new set of deceptive websites, this time designed to look like local news sources.”

            These two dozen sites, with names such as “North County Update” and “Central Valley Update” look like political fact-checking sites; the NRCC’s spokeswoman, Andrea Bozek, called it “a new and effective way to disseminate information.”

            An NRCC official told me the sites are legal because, if you scroll all the way to the bottom, you’ll find, “Paid for by the National Republican Congressional Committee” in small print. “They’re not fake Web sites,” the official said. “These are real attack Web sites.”

            Real attacks, but fake news: This is a fairly accurate summary of what the GOP’s scandalmongers have been purveying during the Obama years.

            There was the assertion that the White House was covering up high-level involvement in Operation “Fast and Furious,” a gun program under the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives that went awry. No evidence was found.

            There was the accusation that the Obama White House pushed through money for Solyndra to pay the president’s political cronies even though officials knew the solar-energy firm was going bankrupt. Didn’t happen that way.

            Accusation: Obamacare would bring about the collapse of the American health-care system and replace it with socialized medicine and death panels. No such thing has occurred.

            The IRS scandal, it was alleged, could be traced back to the White House, which targeted Obama’s enemies for political reasons. Nope.

          • Independent1 if your post wasn’t so sad I would be laughing my head off.
            “Fake data”, Really!!!!! Then it should be soooo easy to prove false, yet you can only rant it is untrue. Very Sad.
            No, you try to deflect with a bunch of Mumbo Jumbo crap. I have never given you one article from any that you have mentioned, every article has been from reputable sources.
            You are one delusional guy and would rather lose credibility than be honest about the facts.

          • You’re wasting your time LOWLIFE. I’m not wasting any more of mine. You know, I know, and every sane poster on NM knows that all you and your Klan buddies post is lies!!! And that you deliberately refuse to believe the truth when it’s posted so take your unadulterated lies and fabrications of the truth and cram them YOU KNOW WHERE!!! THE SAME PLACE THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE YOUR HEADS!!!

          • Wasting my time? No, I don’t think so!!!
            You on the left can not have your own set of facts, have your own circle jerk conversations of these facts, and expect not to be challenged.
            Prove the lies wrong. If you are intellectually honest you will quit saying we are liars and prove us wrong. I have taken your comments, proven them wrong or only half true and yet not once have you with documentation proved me wrong or lying.
            Your standard reply is “your lying, blatant lies, etc.”.

            Until HenryDecker bans me I will continue to monitor and respond when your facts don’t match the real world of facts.

          • And here’s more for you: Faux News couldn’t fake it’s way through their Dish Network debacle:

            Fox News Ratings Plummet As Dish Network Proves Ideological Bullying Doesn’t Buy Air Time

            The folks over at Fox News had hoped to bully Dish Network into giving their toxic channel the cheap air time it demands, but going into a second week of being banished from the television lineup is only proving that Dish has more clout.

            Because Fox News has played the victim instead of offering a fair price to for its weak programming, Dish dropped the conservative propaganda channel, including Fox Business, much to the delight of Americans who value their brains.

            Of course, this made Fox News go ballistic and conservative heads everywhere begin to explode. Fox even urged their viewers to declare war on Dish Network, telling them to drop their subscriptions in an effort to force Dish’s hand. According to Dish Network CEO Charlie Ergen, Fox is the first channel to throw such a temper tantrum.

            “Ironically, Fox News would be the first network to decry this kind of deal-making,” Ergen said. “There’s nothing about this extortion attempt that was fair or balanced.”

          • More of your inane, insane remarks.
            99% of my posts have never been from Fox, if there have been any. In your eyes Fox lies, Right?? Then if I did use Fox you should be able to destroy my positon in a New York Minute, but alas, you haven’t, can’t, etc., my sources have always be other reputable sources.

          • Fox News and its affiliates will even jury rig their videos to make it appear that people are saying what they aren’t just to incite more hard feelings between protesters and the cops:

            There’s no limit to the depravity that Faux News and other RWNJs like Limbauh, Hannity, Beck and others will go to:

            Portesters didn’t actually chant “Kill a cop”.

            Sunday evening in Baltimore, with the nation still reeling from the shooting deaths oftwo NYPD officers the previous day, Fox affiliate WBFF aired a story claiming that law enforcement officials were facing increased threats amid nationwide, largely nonviolent protests against police brutality and misconduct. To make the point, WBFF included a clip of a local woman leading a protest chant allegedly urging others to “kill a cop.” As WYPR reporter P. Kenneth Burns was quick to point out, however, this claim was completely inaccurate. (Gawker was also among the first to report WBFF’s error.)

            The clip was taken from video filmed at the National “Justice For All” March in Washington, D.C. earlier this month. Tawanda Jones is the woman in the video leading protesters in the following chant: “We won’t stop! We can’t stop! Till killer cops are in cell blocks!” But when WBFF aired the clip — or at least a version of it that cuts off midway through the chant — this is how an anchor interpreted Jones’ words: “We won’t stop, we can’t stop, so kill a cop.”

          • Why on this Fox kick? I haven’t used Fox in 99% of my posts(can’t say I never have). When all you had to do is prove my statements in an earlier post were wrong. If they were wrong it should be easy to prove, Right??
            Prove me wrong, just don’t go off on another tangent that has nothing to do with my posts.
            Prove my statements, assertions, etc. wrong.
            Refute my facts, that is all you have to do. Prove me wrong. What is so hard about that???

        • Like Reagan said of Iran-Contra. Your heart can say anything it likes. But, the facts show different. Something turned an 800,000 a month job loss number around between Jan ’09, and March of that same year. Something Bush did? How about anything Bush did? Reagan? He solved the rescission from the grave? Tax cuts saved the S & Ls? Or gov. bailouts saved the S & Ls? Just what is your, “Conservative,” position on bailing out that false economy on Wall Street, and the direction of wealth redistribution under a “Conservative,” Administration? If they got money,
          your heart tells you to give them more. If they’re poor, well, they should have worked harder. And all this wealth redistribution is wrecking the Country. Those are my assessments of your truths. Your references to the contrary, notwithstanding.

          • I see that you are still running back to the past to try to detract from the present, you can’t defend his actions with real facts, find facts that dispute mine.
            Just disprove what I have said. Disprove my statement on the stock market success.
            Disprove I lied about statements Obama made about ACA, Be specific!!
            You can’t find answers so you just throw old crap on the wall and hope it sticks.
            But this is now and unless you can refute my post quit wasting my time.

          • Old crap. eh? Where do think this economy comes from? Something put in place a couple of years ago? And I don’t read any specific statements you claim Obama lied about. I think you said, everything. Which is your blanket description of ACA. ACA, the economy, job numbers, etc. According to you, it’s all bad, bad, bad….. Well, they aren’t using the correct unemployment numbers. Health insurance premiums are going up. Whereas, before ACA they were going down, and most everyone had really good insurance? Be specific, now. The Stock Markets, that’s plural, by the way. Several around the World, that were formerly on the rocks, only look good now, due to the Federal Reserve. But will surely fall severely soon. Bad, bad, worse!!! So, all these market analysts projected rises in stock prices are all wrong, because? Be specific. (A) They don’t know like you, interest rates will eventually rise? (B) They don’t care, because with the GOP controlling Congress, they expect the economy to tank, but see another bailout in the works? Or, (C) These Stocks have nothing to do with the economy, because, they are not using real money? See a pattern?

          • Now you are cracking me up even more. You responded to my post and all you had to do is prove me wrong.
            So let me make it easy for your.
            Did Obama say or not say that there would be a 2400.00 savings, Yes or No!!!

          • Well, I’m glad you’re getting a bang out of our
            little tit for tat. I really don’t know if Obama used the
            number $2400 in savings. If that was as estimate for
            an average family of X number, an individual with a
            pre-existing condition, or a number projected as an expected reduction of costs over the next decade, based on the expectation that all 50 states would expand their Medicaid programs. Where, in those stated that have, overall costs have been reduced in the private market, due to a markedly lower rate of indigent cases, and higher rates of reimbursements for hospitals. Which as you may know are funded by a combination of contributions from the Federal, and State, Gov, and private ins. So how easy for me do you want to make it?

          • What a piece of work you are!!! You said “I really don’t know if Obama used the number $2400(no he used $2500 as I said above).
            Try this! He said, not once but many times. HE SAID IT!!! PERIOD.

            You are a pathetic liar, or one dumb poorly informed individual.
            I noticed that you ignored all that you asked me to give so you could try and rebut. Typical!!! No answers so you try and change the subject.

          • See now, you’re getting frustrated, and flustered. And, I might add, getting nasty with me! Which is ridiculous, if I’m amusing you as you claim. When all I pointed out was, if you listen, there is context in his statement, you missed. Qualifiers such as, “We are working on a plan,” (didn’t say they had one.) That will save, “the average family, on employer’s plans, up to,” $2500. You hear what you want to hear. Which obviously effects your thinking. But to a larger, more important point. You’re trying mightily to defend a basically indefensible failing system, that was without a doubt, going to bankrupt families, businesses, and eventually the gov, itself. Not a liar, and not nearly so dumb, nor misinformed as you claim. My only unforgivable, “sin,” it seems, is disagreeing with you. You’d rather I lie about that, I guess.

      • Bob………….with all due respect, it’s all over the news programs and newspapers etc, in that, Pinocchio Obama is a pathological liar, a prevaricator if you will, and why!
        An inferiority complex coupled with a narcissistic personality and passive aggressive in demeanor pursuant to his upbringing. Have you read or analyzed any of his books, writings or theories of life? Analysts do this…
        I’ll send you a sample……best regards, Joe T

        • Some of my favorite reading is the fact check sites and yes the President get Pants on fire sometimes but if you check he also get a lot of trues and mostly true. If you want to be fair go to and look up Mr Huckabee. He gets 13% pants on fire to the Presidents 2%. The one that is interesting is
          Jebb Bush, he seems to lie less then most. If you read the reasons for their findings you learn a lot. As I said in the beginning everyone lies, just some more then others. Ad y best back to you Bob

          • Bob…this is Joe T…..just one question….OK
            Why did Obama have to knowingly lie to the public about Obamacare…..and he did…..and
            HE KNEW HE LIED, now the truth is revealed…
            Now, wouldn’t it had been more ethical to hold a public hearing on the subject and state EXACTLY what the AFC health care was really about…it’s called honestly, integrity…the means does not always justify the end results….2 wrongs do not make a right……integrity is paramount especially in politics………….SAD SAD SAD….

          • I’m not convinced that the President knowing lie all that much, the person who is saying that the
            President is lying is Jonathan Gruber who I wouldn’t buy a used car from. I went back to and read the statements that they found to be lies and their wasn’t much on the ACA. Gruber keeps changing his story about his role in forming the ACA. One minute he wrote the whole thing then next he had little to do with it. Maybe it’s because I don’t like Gruber that I don’t trust anything he says or maybe because the ACA is working for me that I forgive the misstatements of the President. If Integrity is paramount in politics then we are in a heap of trouble.

  5. Obama will be recognized in history as our greatest president, so far. The Sanctimonious Hypocrite Party will never gain enough votes for President but they sure do screw up everyone else.

    • hal: “… our greatest president, so far.”
      Yep. Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan were nobodies.
      I am calling the mental hospital from which you escaped so they can come and pick you up.

          • Yep !
            He was great and on the right track of things.
            …. and if you compare him to OLiar, he was even greater even more on the right track.

        • bob: If he closed them it was because people like you were INUNDATING them trying to get FREE treatment for something as simple as just getting your head out of that hole ….

          • You don’t know much I guess about history or what happened while Reagan was in office do you. If you
            had your response should have been that it was the liberals that closed the hospitals because it was denying people of their right to be crazy. Oh well I guess the facts of the world is just a little over your head.

          • bobbie: Now you are telling me what I should have said about the liberals.
            I guess EVERYTHING is “just a bit” over your head.
            It’s ok, Bob. Don’t you worry about it.

          • I was just pointing out the fact that I had given you a good shot and you had missed it. Instead you went for the low shot that is so much like most of your postings, lazy.

          • bobbie:
            You are funny.
            This “lazy” poster can “run rings” around ALL of your “crazy” (see the rhyme, bobbie?) posts.
            Get a life.

          • You Sir are a lazy poster, you call names and have your “funny” terms but add nothing new or useful
            to the mix. I have read your posts and you add nothing here. If you don’t believe me go back and read your posts as I have done.

          • bobbie:
            Waaa !! “I have read your posts and you add nothing here.”
            Wow !! You liberal nincompoops can call everybody all the names you want, but when you are confronted, you:
            1) run to your mommies crying;
            2) have the gall to tell me that I “went for the low shot”, just because I refused to follow you into your cave.
            Grow up man.

          • I only pointed out that you are lazy and like to take cheep shots. I see you no have no defiance for it. I
            do not call names which proves you didn’t even bother to check. Does it make you feel good to call someone names? To bad you can’t use facts to support you point of view but I guess you might have to work to do that.

          • bobbie: So you do not call people names, huh?
            Quoting you, St. Bob: “Oh well I guess the facts of the world is just a little over your head.”
            THAT is NOT “calling names”, huh? Do you always “split hairs” like that?
            P.S. – It’s “cheap” shots, bob, not “cheep” shots.
            Bye !

        • People forget just how bad a president Reagan was. Nancy ran the country half the time using astrology. The teflon president.

        • stcroix:
          If you “don’t know” about Lincoln and Washington, then your “judgment” on Reagan has no credibility whatsoever,
          But it is nice to know that you “know” about everything else.

      • Try Lincoln, FDR, and Bill Clinton, if you want to have a rational debate on this claim.
        Reagan was a disaster. His trickle down economics, deregulation, and irresponsible tax breaks contributed to a major recession, the near debacle of the Savings and Loan industry, record deficit spending, and having to increase the national debt 18 times to keep up with the borrowing trend that prevailed in those days. Iran-Contra is not something to be proud of, and blaming an obscure Lt. Col for it was even worse. The cut and run in Lebanon after 272 U.S. marines were slaughtered, and justifying that decision by saying that was not our war; while funding death squads in El Salvador, is not the kind of things that help transform a politician into a great leader. Relying on his wife’s whispers to respond to questions from the media suggest The Gipper should have been institutionalized long before his second term. Then again, we all know how well the “just say no” solution went. What saved Ronald Reagan’s legacy was his persona. He was a likable president, remembered as a social conservative, in spite of his support for the “safety net” and his 1986 amnesty to 4 million illegal immigrants. Anyone else, with a record like his, would have been impeached and crucified by today’s GOP.

          • Wow! An appeal to others to attend more closely to reality from someone who spends most of his time blowing smoke at others and up his like minded cohort’s rear-ends.



        • The debt is 18 trillion, it was 9 trillion when Obama took office. HMMM! America’s debt? Might want to get your facts straight on the subject.

          • Gary:
            Don’t you remember that “FACTS” are anathema to a liberal idiot like “Dependent” ??

          • Where Sir, are you moving the conversation along with facts? The facts are the wealth worshipping Party of the upper .001% are wrong. And they’ve been wrong every time for at least the last 100 years. This is not partisan conjecture, but provable fact. Hoover was wrong, Reagan was worse, and Bush #43 was Reagan on steroids. And much like in the 20s, their slavish devotion to the rich, cheap money, and hands off deregulation, allowed a fake boom economy to be created. There was the inevitable bust, and everyone except the very wealthy, got hurt. And just like in the 20s, the same rich are exponentially richer than they were before, as was the original plan. And you evidently support it like your life depends on it! But,
            everyone that fails to appreciate your decidedly S&M
            bent, for self flagellation, is an idiot? Really?

          • Are you interested in the issue of public debt? It’s historic causations? Or, are you only interested in mindlessly bashing a President? For example, when was the last time the public debt decreased in a recession? Who was the last President before Obama, to increase the debt, to stimulate a slagging economy? That would have been George H. W. Bush. And before him, Clinton. (We forget he inherited a recession.) And so it was with Bush #41, and Reagan before him. It has been accepted knowledge for 80 years, on both the Right, and Left, that increasing public spending, is a remedy to interrupting the downward spiral of a contracting economy. That is until the election of Obama, in the depths of the most severe recession since the 1930s, triggered the ignorance reliant, demagoguing of the debt, in order to enable an pre-conspired, across the board opposition to the new incoming Democratic Majority. Mainly to protect the failed, budget busting tax cuts enacted by Bush, and the formerly GOP led Congress.

        • Indy:
          To a STOLID, frozen, pea-sized brain as yours, “income inequality” is the worst that can happen to a republic.
          What is your solution to this “inequality”, “income EQUALITY” ??
          DUH !


  6. We must not forget the system that put Barack Obama in the White House will remain after he has left office. The secret financial cabal that put him in power will remain, and continue the operational plan for their next candidate. And they will use the willing national news media to spread the message. The propaganda machine will be deceptive, efficient, sweet to the primary senses (eyes and ears), well organized and funded by millions of dollars. And Obama, who has already sold his soul, will continue to force that system on America, even after he is gone. This cabal has gained significant power over the last twenty years, greatly expanded in the last six years and will not stop until it dominates our government and political system apparently leading to global
    control and the destruction of US sovereignty. It is dark and funded from the highest levels of banking, world states and Marxist political proponents. Many Americans, religious and secular, are wondering how Barack Obama got into power and how this grotesque takeover of America has happened.
    At the risk of being accused of adding religion to this article, I must quote the passage I think says it best, Ephesians 5:12:For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Kevin M. Shipp
    Former CIA counterintelligence and operations officer
    Former Program Manager, Department of State, Anti Terrorism Assistance program Author, From the Company of Shadows
    WallBuilders, America’s Most Biblically Hostile US President

    World Net Daily, Obama’s New World Order World Net Daily, Was Young
    Obama an Indonesian Citizen? Wayne Madsen, Investigative Journalist, Obama’s name change The Investigative Project of Terrorism, release of the Taliban five

    David Maraniss, Barack Obama the Story Newsweek, When Barry Became Barack Free Republic, Is Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro?

    • You just blew any credibility you may have had by referencing World Net Daily. I have been reading WND daily for about two years now and they publish nothing but pure insanity.

      • Americans bought the deception hook, line and sinker. As a former CIA officer who watched the propaganda campaign of the Soviet Union, I was shocked to see this being implemented in my own country. I was fully aware of Soviet penetrations of the news media, dating back decades. The Soviets played on Marxist sympathizers in US political circles, inserting agents and unwitting ideologues in agencies like the Department of State. Shocking, unless you understand this is a common, basic operational tactic in the world of espionage. The US uses the same tactic in other countries.

      • In his teenage years, Obama was mentored by writer and poet Frank Marshall Davis, a long time member of the Communist Party, under FBI investigation, and member of the American Peace Mobilization organization, decried by Congress as, “One of the most notorious and blatant Communist fronts.” Obama then joined the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) organization. As part of its goal of the political and social takeover of America, the DSA veiled itself using the terms, “Liberalism,” “Progressivism,” and “Social Justice.” The DSA’s political ideology could best be termed “Western Marxism,” and “Cultural Communism.” This is why Obama cannot be labeled a pure Marxist/Socialist. For him to be labeled as such would be the end of his political career. So, as covert, cultural Marxist movements often do, these organizations invent terms and craft speeches concealing the roots of their ideology. Then, once in power, they aggressively implement their goal of overturning western political structure.

        • I know you like facts as do I and I did
          a lot of reading on the Presidents so called membership in the
          Socialist party. Here is what I found. The Group in Chicago that
          Obama is said to have joined is the The New Party. It has the same
          name as a socialist party from the 30’s even though it was founded in the 1990’s. Yes the are liberal but not truly socialists. The President did not join the group but did sign a pledge to consider the point of view. Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive. Obama also went to a function while in collage that was Socialist. This doesn’t make him a socialist anymore then my going to a meeting of the John Birch Society when in collage makes me a KKK member. I read postings on this and other sites that say that all socialists are bad but it you read the last line of the Declaration of Independence it is
          socialists. By nature our government is socialist if you define it as the government doing things for people, isn’t that why we have a government? Isn’t the government to work for the common good of all
          and promote general welfare? If you find anything I have said untrue let me know with sources that I can learn from.

          • That’s sound good to me. I spend a lot of time looking things up on line and try to only use fact I can back up. When I see something that doesn’t seem right or true I can get a little carried away
            looking for the facts of the matter and I can get miss information so I like people like you keeping me honest. Have a good day, Bob

      • After our nice conversation today, I thought I would give you great credit for you efforts and politeness. I did so in a reply, of which I also got a reply which I would just like to share with you. This is copy and pasted from above:

        Gary Miles Independent1 • 2 hours ago

        ROFLMAO! Latebloominggrandma had one of the most well presented and well researched reply that anyone here has been able to give to any of my political subject comments. You might want to apologize to her because she was great! Your reply, well, lacks any form of thought and is based on useless emotionalism. You might try emulating the more intelligent posters like Latebloomingrandma.. At least she knows that polite and respective debate will get the same in return.

        Independent1 Gary Miles • an hour ago

        You talk like I should care what you think. Sorry, I’ve given up on that long ago with you Klan folks. I’m done wasting my time trying to carry on rational conversations with nitwits who are only here to create as much distraction as possible and are determined not to believe the truth on anything.

        What did it buy latebloominggrandma to respond to you with the truth outlined in a well thought response?? You blew her off didn’t you?? And why, because you’re nothing more than a Klan lowlife – and as far as I’m concerned – you know just where you can go and I’m fairly confident that’s where you will end up with your history of spewing Blatant Lies!!!

      • The corruption in the Obama administration has been mind boggling, from running guns to drug cartels in “Fast and Furious,” to targeting journalists investigating the actions of his administration and the deception and cover up of the deaths of an ambassador and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya. Obama’s reluctance to condemn the actions of radical Islam, both within and without the United states, his refusal to acknowledge the connection of Islam to acts of terrorism, including the murder, rape and torture of Christians in the Middle East, and his actual participation in what appears to be a kind of cultural covert action aimed at undermining traditional America, paints a shocking picture of a man who is more Muslim than the Christian he claims to be, more Marxist in his ideology than the Constitutional scholar the news media has made him out to be and as corrupt in his use of federal agencies as any Chicago-style mafia boss.

      • If this does not send chills down your spine, let’s look at Obama’s background.

        We’ll examine his deep cultural and political upbringing and his personal radical ideology – missed by over half of the voters in America, and concealed by news networks.

        I will examine his direct connections to Islam later. Three of Barack Obama’s primary mentors in Chicago (known for its political corruption) were avowed Marxists. All three of these mentors were trained at the Industrial Areas Foundation, founded by avowed Marxist, Saul Alinsky. Alinsky’s goal was to destroy capitalism and establish Socialist/Marxist principles, not through violent revolution, but through slow, aggressive cultural takeover. His design was to accomplish this through “Community Organizing,” a silent revolution designed to overtake power in the US democracy, much like radical Islamic cultural jihad. Community organizing was designed to implement widespread public discontent, moral and cultural confusion and spark social uprising. The goal was penetration of political parties, churches and private and government institutions and place strategic Marxist/Socialist operatives in these organizations, including the news media. Sound familiar? Barack Obama became a proponent of the Alinsky techniques and taught the Alinsky

          • Shared comment from a black citizen..
            probably NUTS also…right Obama lover!
            azabigail Jerry Cox • 6 days ago

            We stand and speak our ground, stay informed and pass the word, educate whoever we can, especially those who are ignorant of the truth, if possible show them, one on one or in groups, how they are being deceived and how America is being destroyed from the inside out by specific self-serving anti-American leaders, and stress voting and writing to our representatives. Those of us who are Black, Hispanic, of low income, with children, etc need to inform our communities of the shady, insidious lies and moves that the majority of liberal leaders and activists are doing and “selling” them. Our country is being brainwashed by men and women who rely on the ignorance of the people to blindly accept that what they say as truth. We must live by example and speak up against behavior that they are trained in. Like accepting that everyone is gay, otherwise they are homophobic, or children should not addressed in school, or told that they are a boy, or girl. They should not believe that our president, or any leader is above the law and can just do whatever he wants.
            Note: if you believe the opposite then maybe you are the one (of many) who follow the Pied Piper over the cliff…it’s daily news 24/7 an obstinate President who doesn’t pay attention to the majority, but only is concerned with his will and his inflated EGO….sans integrity…Veritas

          • I don’t care if the guy was purple! He spouts the same claptrap as you which doesn’t mean a damn thing except you are wrong on so many levels, not to mention paranoid!

      • I don’t know where black comes into the equation but he is the most phony incompetent leader we have ever had. At least J Carter believed in Jesus. and peanuts.

          • What you don’t understand is that he owns you. You can no longer see both sides of the equation. Your opinion is fixed in concrete with no wiggle room. I know more gun nuts than you have friends. I have been banned from 12 gun forums for disagreeing with them. The gun violence stats have the same credibility to me as the bible. Both are flavored toward the blind faithful. I am going to do what is best for me just like you are going to look after your interests. My health is my main concern and protection is part of my my plan to deal with what ever comes my way including life saving drugs for people who have to have them.. I have resided in third world countries that were in decline. I have seen what people will do to each other. So you have your way and I have mine. There won’t be any winners or losers just survivors. Our conversation is over, good luck.

          • Boy Howdy! Your morning routine must have gone awry. I could give you one of my dogs so you would have something to love you. It seems you stay constantly puckered up on both ends. I guess that is what happens when you begin to see the errors of your ways. But fear not I will always have a soothing word for you.

          • I have my own dog thank you and that is the pot calling the kettle black! Puckered? Ha! Do you ever listen to yourself?

          • No, No, No I never listen to my self . Every morning I head to the refrigerator an pick up my itinerary for the day. This morning it is fill the firewood racks and vacuum the house. If you have a dog you have got to be an Okay person even if you are a liberal enamored with the Tarzan movie in the White House. Last night it was 9 degrees I wish global warming would get a move on things. If I have ever said anything to offend you I would like to apologize but I am sure that me just breathing air offends you.

          • You know what? I have come to the conclusion that I like animals a lot more than people! You can trust my dog whereas you can’t trust most people! You don’t offend but I find that most of the human race in general do.

          • You better be real careful you may end up liking me better than liberals. That could ruin your day. Oh dear I hear my wife outside stacking firewood, I must run.

          • I would prefer to not label people but we are usually forced into a judgement. I can’t say I like your doom and gloom attitude. I prefer to be more optimistic but I certainly don’t look at the world through rose colored glasses!

          • If knowing that I am going to get older sicker and then die is doom and gloom, that is me. Until then I will live my life to the fullest. Well as full as an eighty year old can.

          • Maybe you are but there seems to be a lot of people who don’t feel that way. My life style has not differed at all between the two. Has your life gotten better under hope and change? My main concern is the value of the dollar and the runaway corruption in the financial institutions. The second is the slow swelling of the police state and the attitude of law enforcement toward the general population.

            The Dems and the Gop are both on the same track, retaining power and wealth. All the moronic mud slinging just camouflages what is really taking place. Besides, what is so bad about being under a bush? In my younger days I thought that was what life was all about.

          • The last President I truly remember is Eisenhower! Old? Yes! Is my life dramatically changed under Obama? No, fortunately. I doubt too many other lives have dramatically changed also. It is a “party” thing that I abhor! Right or wrong, vote party! I have been an Independent all my voting life, voting for who I thought would do the best job for this country. I absolutely hate what the Republican party stands for this time around! I would vote for Obama again and again if given the chance even though I don’t agree with all his decisions. We own a small business and when Bush practically ruined the economy our business was hurting. The GOP have proven that they are not fit to govern this country. That is not to say that any politician can be trusted but right now I will take a Dem over any Republican!

          • I more or less agree. The Bush economy hurt you but not me. I am not taking up for bush but the Jihadists played a role in how things turned out. I personally would not vote for either party but what choice is there? Everything is so entrenched there is not much chance of it getting better what ever better is. My main concern as I have said is the stability of the dollar. If the dollar goes south all my survival preparations will kick in. Survival mode is not something I look forward to. We moved here in 95 based on what we thought might happen. I does seem to be happening. We grabbed 50 acres with house 4 acre lake and 400 ft deep well. $75000.00. Property tax of $146.00 a year. That’s about as good as it gets. The property value has gone up nearly 5 times but that is of no consiquense since we have no intention of moving. The key to a comfortable life is being able zig zag and ajust to what ever the government throws at you. I do hope you kept your business on track. We had several small lucrative businesses and as I am sure you will agree it is not like having an 8 to 5. Its more like a 24/ 7 and you don’t need a steam room to sweat bullets.

          • Yes we did manage to keep the business on track and like you we have 13 acres, a 275 ft well and some of the lowest property taxes around the state so we are keeping our heads above water. We can only hope that things under the GOP don’t get too bad. I’m not saying either party is worth a crap but the Dems do seem to care about the middle class more so than the GOP!!

          • The democrats have been the dominate political party for the last 80 years. They abuse the middle class tax money to further welfare which buys them votes . The GOP has been to stupid to follow suit but they are starting to catch on.I guess I could say I am a libertarian but I know that philosophy will go nowhere. Man is too caught up in dominating other men. People should be able to do as they please as long as it harms no one else. The problem is human nature won’t let this happen. Human nature can take a hard left turn at any minute. That is the reason, reasonable people need to have the means to protect themselves. Guns are the only way a 110lb female can protect herself from a 200lb rapist. Guns are just tools not objects of adoration. On one end of the spectrum are the hysterical anti gun violence daffodils and on the other end is the obsessed gun nut who would rather fondle is gun than his Oscar Mayer. I have never been able to bring myself to destroy an animal for doing what nature has taught him to do unless something is in jeopardy. Humans are a completely different story. My philosophy is to stay under the radar, enjoy my short life and step on as few toes as possible. The internet political forums don’t count. Pray for the dollar. If it collapses you will need a gun in each hand and your grave already dug.

          • “My philosophy is to stay under the radar, enjoy my short life and step on as few toes as possible”. That is why I say Live and let live but, like you, I know that the human race is not capable of doing that! I’m afraid I am a daffodil that hates guns with a passion! They are instruments of killing and I abhor that! I respect the law, mind my own business and pay my taxes. I just think it would be so much easier if everyone could just get long but I know that is a pipe dream. I don’t understand the mindset that wants to take from others to better themselves. Our past histroy shows that will never happen and for reasons that I cannot fathom, things are getting worse!

          • Humans are instruments of killing and they need to be defended against. Pound your swords into plow shares and you will plow for the ones who did not. The world has always been in violent turmoil We are just more aware of it. There are now 7 billion adversarial humans so things will get out of hand beyond belief. Lets hope the powers that be can keep the nukes under lock and key. Keep your eye on India and Pakistan. They have over 200 plus nukes between them and they really hate each other. 200 nukes going off in a time frame of a few days could reduce the population of humans world wide by over 50 percent. That may not be all bad I don’t think mother nature would complain. My wife thinks a natural disaster will reduce the population and mother nature will sigh with relief. My wife is a real scientist, her dad was a rocket scientist. She was a vice President of a major oil co. One of her degrees was in paleontology. The reason she married me was to have a real fossil around the house. She used to have oil fields under her control and part of her job was to protect the environment She is real touchy about people ruining the environment.. Global warming caused by man is total crap, climate change is not, it is real.

      • Obama’s adopted name was Barry Soetoro, which came from the marriage of his mother, Ann Dunham to his Indonesian step-father, Lolo Soetoro. In Indonesia, Obama was known as “Barry Soetoro.” A 1958 law passed in Indonesia does not permit dual citizenship. The Indonesian schools Barry Soetoro attended, the Fransiskus Assisi Catholic School, which accepted students of all faiths, and Menteng Elementary – only accepted Indonesian citizens.

        • Joe,This is a message from Albert Einstein and it fits you to a T.Only two things are infinite,the universe and,human stupidity and,I’m not sure about the former!Have a somewhat unpleasant day.;

    • Who would have thought that the high muckety mucks of banking are Marxists! I thought these sneaky bankers were Capitalists and Republicans.

      • Documentation of Soetoro’s legal name being changed to Barack Hussein Obama is missing, much of his early years remain a mystery and the identity of his true father is unknown. While being sworn in as an Illinois attorney Barack Hussein Obama denied, under oath, he had used any other names, but foreign student exchange records showed a foreign educational grant had been given to a “Soetoro” from Indonesia. All of his school records have been – sealed. In addition, Obama made a mysterious trip to Pakistan, which he did not mention in either of his books. During his campaign, to justify his foreign experience and to silence Hillary Clinton he stated:

        • So what? What does this rant have to do with the article? Huckabee’s father was a major in Fidel Castro’s Revolutionary Army and his mother was an alien from a galaxy far, far away and a former girlfriend of Donald Trump. Huckabee was born in a shack behind Hilter’s suicide bunker and is not a citizen, therefore cannot be president of the United States.

          • Jane went to visit Jill. Jill is Jane’s only husband’s mother-in-law’s only husband’s only daughter’s only daughter. What relation is Jill to Jane?

      • Kevin M. Shipp
        Former CIA counterintelligence and operations officer
        Former Program Manager, Department of State, Anti Terrorism Assistance program

  7. Henry Decker, ever the brown-noser, is trying to position himself as spokesman for a President Huckabee administration.

  8. Huckabee would turn the Oval Office into the Offal Office. He hates religious freedom and women’s rights of conscience.

    • He is a Jesus freak of the worst kind. If he would relegate Jesus to the dust bin of superstitious nonsense he would make a good leader. But we know that won’t happen.

  9. Let the liberals keep thinking their delusional thoughts, it only hastens the demise of the liberal agenda and brings more of their base – the ones who are finally seeing the truth behind their rhetoric to the ranks of Conservatives voters. People are waking up to the fact that liberal “solutions” do more harm than good to our nation, our people and our economy so their solutions are based on lies, fabrications and their Gruber mentality that the American electorate is stupid, makes poor choices and only they can lead us to the promised land. A promised land where the US becomes a 3rd rate 3rd world 2 bit country of misery, no hope, no change and divided.

    February 17, 2008, reprint – Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

    As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery

    The Liberal Mind is the first in-depth examination of the major political madness of our time: The radical left’s efforts to regulate the people from cradle to grave. To rescue us from our troubled lives, the liberal agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. Radical liberalism thus assaults the foundations of civilized freedom. Given its irrational goals, coercive methods and historical failures, and given its perverse effects on character development, there can be no question of the radical agenda’s madness. Only an irrational agenda would advocate a systematic destruction of the foundations on which ordered liberty depends. Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him. Only irrational thinking would trade individual liberty for government coercion, sacrificing the pride of self-reliance for welfare dependency. Only a madman would look at a community of free people cooperating by choice and see a society of victims exploited by villains. [From The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD]

      • What is the 4-digit number in which the first digit is one-fifth the last, and the second and third digits are the last digit multiplied by 3?

      • My comments are fact based from 24/7 events, and news reports etc.
        My opinions are civil and relate to the same events and news that is reported to the public in the USA and worldwide.
        No need to use prevarications like the current administration does that is self evident as is reported continually; also in print e.g. Washington Post, Times, Wall Street Journal, NY Times, Chicago Tribune etc etc “ad nauseam”

    • Just remember: The term Conservative Christian is an oxymoron. And no true Conservative can be a “True Christian”. So you can denigrate Liberals all you want. Just remember that while doing that, you’re denigrating Jesus – who was the most Liberal human that ever lived!!!!! He judged NO ONE!!

      • In that case the USA should just acquiesce and embrace liberalism, “in toto”….thanks for the input of a religious person’s demeanor 2000 years ago, prior to the resurrection of JESUS.
        About judging………….what are you doing and said liberals?

        • We all have been waiting 2000 years for god to send a manufacturers rep to process all the warranty claims on these bodies he handed us. I guess we will have to look to the Chinese for replacement parts. I think a class action lawsuit is in order.

          • Thank you! but if the crazies on the rest of this site see what you said to me they will all go out and buy a gun a and start tracking you down. Liberals are anti gun until they need one. Are these people for real or does this site bring out he worst in them? These peoples attitude can do more to destroy our way of life than all the guns in the world. None of these people would survive in a real socialist society.

          • Relax…here’s a clue.
            I have my laptop in car
            I’m armed
            I reside in VA
            My job is incognito per se

        • He didn’t judge them; he recognized the evil involved as soon as he saw it and refused to let it go on within his Father’s house; which is supposed to be kept Holy.

          • I was there through the eyes and ears of the Apostle Matthew. He wrote that Jesus could see that the money changers were acting just like thieves, just like the GOP.

            From Matthew 21:

            12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

            13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

          • I’m obviously referring to the American Mafia types (outright crooks in your languange) that make up the GOP/TP legislators in Congress. It’s been 6 years since the initials GOP have had anything to do with the White House (FORTUNATELY!!).

          • Not in the least. What I want is for the real Republican party to return and get rid of the American Mafia group that has replaced it. I voted for Eisenhower, Ford and Bush 1. And like many Independents, I’m actively trying to destroy this fake political party that now calls itself the GOP but which is nothing more than a group of gangsters pretending to be politicians.

          • I noticed you believe in GOD and the Bible…so do I…..all my life.

            In retrospect, we are ALL with human failings, i.e.
            whether one is a Rep or Dem…Harry Reid, SEN. Arrested for DWI, Resisting Arrest While Naked

            Were you aware of this about the Honorable Harry Reid; a leader in govt?

            8/9/2012, 5:45 pm

            LAS VEGAS (TPC) Harry Mason Reid, “cowboy poet” who is known to his fans as the Senate Majority Leader, was lying in the middle of the road with no car in sight when another driver spotted him and called 911, according to a recording released Thursday. Officials said Reid was naked and threatened to kill state troopers when he was arrested late Tuesday night.

            Apparently Read was returning home from a poetry reading at the Cowboy Poets Society (CPUSA). He was charged with driving while intoxicated and retaliation or obstruction, and released Wednesday on $21,500 bond from the Clark Co. jail in Las Vegas. A mug shot showed a battered-looking Reid in a T-shirt, with a black eye and dried blood on his face. He later walked barefoot out of the county jail wearing scrubs and a “Viva Las Vegas” baseball cap.

            The 911 caller did not identify Reid by name and said he at first thought the body belonged to a deer. “I’m spooked out,” he said. “I don’t see a vehicle, there’s a couple of cones scattered.” Nevada troopers responding to the scene said a Pontiac Trans Am registered to the 71-year-old Reid had been driven off the road and struck several barricades in a construction road. Reid was not wearing clothes and made threats against the Texas troopers, said a Department of Public Safety spokesman. He said the senator refused sobriety tests, so a blood specimen was taken.

            Ever hear about a despotic side…..he was NAKED and VIOLENT when arrested!!!!!?

            Axiom: Fight your enemies nor each other brother!

            The enemy is currently the terrorists aka Muslims
            aka the (pseudo) teachings of the Qur’an from 630 AD and on, “ad nauseam.”

            I’ll post you something for solidarity.
            Best regards, Joe T

          • You admitted that “we are ALL with human failings”. So what does a single politician’s one time failing have to do with anything?? And to be quite candid, I’m not certain I even totally believe that news article.

            But even if it’s true, one politicians behavior has nothing to do with the overall integrity of an entire political party. And no one, is claiming that the Democratic party is perfect and without its own failings. But from my 60 years of experience in being actively involved in viewing the two parties, the GOP of today, is way over the top in being not only corrupt, but outright EVIL!!

            No one, decides to deny people health care for the sake of money, knowing thousands of people will die from their decision, without being outright EVIL.

            No one, deliberately starts a war (which ends up killing more than 4,000 Americans and countless Iraqis) based on lies and distortions without being outright evil.

            No one, deliberately refuses to believe 7 warnings that an attack on America is coming which ends up killing 3,000 people, without being outright EVIL.

            No one, purposely foists 2 unwarranted tax cuts knowing America is at war which end up robbing every American of $48,000, without being outright Evil.

            No one, joins a meeting the night a new president is inaugurated to plan how to SABOTAGE the American economy, knowing full well that will inflict suffering on the vast majority of Americans, without being outright EVIL.

            No one, questions whether or not to provide the money needed to help hundreds of thousands of Americans who have suffered the loss of virtually everything they owned because of a hurricane, just because they can’t figure out who the cost should be charged to, without being outright EVIL.

            And I could go on with this for an hour with one EVIL ACT by the GOP after another over the past 100 years and especially the last 20, which proves that today’s GOP is absolutely NO BETTER than the Italian Mafia pretending to be politicians and yet foisting their evil continuously on the American people.

          • You could be right, you could be wrong,,
            agreed both parties have their own version of a truth…..but the Dems are promoting Liberalism,
            albeit, not in the true sense of the word.

            You mentioned Jesus was a liberal 2000 yrs ago,
            17 As Jesus was starting out on his way to Jerusalem, a man came running up to him, knelt down, and asked, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

            18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’[a]”

            20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

            21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

            22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

            Ain’t gonna happen today either….
            now it’s just giving away other people’s money by Liberalism….until other people’s $$$$ runs out.

            PS Google “Harry Reid arrest 2012 LAS Vegas”
            I originally posted U about belief in GOD and the Dems aren’t angels..either…that’s all.
            best regards, Joe T

            INTEGRITY is what is paramount in one’s life.

          • I fail to see your point here.

            All your post proved is what has always been obvious – Jesus loved everyone even sinners and judged no one. (Rember the woman caught in adultery; that he simply told to sin no more.)

            And you proved that at the end, that man Jesus spoke to was a conservative at heart – he was more concerned about his own future than helping others. That’s a total contradiction to what Jesus taught: Think more highly of others than you do of yourself. Love thy neighbor as thyself>

            Two tenants that the GOP violates every moment of every day.

            And as I mentioned earlier, what is your purpose for trying to denigrate Harry Reid?? Mitch McConnell has committed FAR MORE EVIL by obstructing everything that would benefit America over the past 6 years with his 425 plus fake filibusters. So Harry Reid may have some personal problems – SO WHAT?? He’s not responsible for millions of upon millions of Americans suffering and dying like Mitch McConnell is!!!!!!!!

          • Harry Reid’s own actions denigrated himself.
            You seem to want to be argumentative…..about everything…I do not. It’s a waste of time 4 me.
            A fact is not an opinion and vice versa and a statement is an expression in speech or print. ciao

          • You claim to believe in God. So let me post a verse for you from the book I was just reading in which kind of sums up for me, the overall failings of the GOP.

            From Saint John’s 1st letter, Chapter 3 vs 17:

            “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?”

            And without the love of God in a person, no amount of claiming that one is a Christian, will make them a Christian. And virtually every time the GOP acts, it proves it has NO PITY on anyone but the wealthy (THEY HAVE NO LOVE OF GOD WITHIN THEM WHATSOEVER!!).

            Even in the past few days, Congress has voted to decrease social security benefits for the disabled. And why?? So it can move toward being able to cut spending, JUST SO, the ALREADY WEALTHY can keep more money IN THEIR POCKET!!



            IF THEY (muslins) believe the Quran/Koran……and you do NOT……you should be killed ordead as for as they are concerned. 4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers…..from the QURAN!

            KEEP BELIEVING THEY ARE PEACEFUL…..8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels:

            I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off (behead) their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

            The Qur’an was an oral text throughout the lifetime of Muhammad; it was also a fluid text. The complete text resided only in the memories of Muahmmad and his followers. As he added verses and reorganized the text, his followers would rememorize the text in the light of the additions or edits. This means that the Qur’an was a living text during the lifetime of Muhammad. Certain verses revealed to Muhammad were later repudiated by him as “satanic” verses revealed not by Gabriel but by Satan. These verses were expunged from the text that so many had memorized.

            it’s plain to see Barack Hussein Obama has loyalties to this ideology that he can’t hide. It’s self-evident for many reasons; one of which is that he clearly avoids (refuses) to call the terrorists by their identity of followers of Islamic teachings, proven by the Qur’an (Koran) to be VIOLENT. For Manchurian* Candidate substitute the word Muslim.* This is occurring world wide at a rapid rate, due to changes in verbiage by current covert leaders.

          • Do you truly believe in all the bible stuff? If you do fine. I don’t so it does not work for me as a talking point.

          • Yes. But I don’t believe earth was made 6,000 years ago, nor that creationism and evolution are separable. Evolution was nothing more than God perfecting his creations just like any potter would do. He referred to himself as a potter numerous times. The fact that the majority of people try to treat evolution as something separate from creationism is ignorance to its maximum.

            What inventor ever created his ultimate invention on the 1st try. And for fake Christians to believe the universe and earth were created in 6 earth days is nonsense. They were created in God’s days each of which could have been billions of earth years. Remember, eternity is forever – that’s an amazingly long time.

    • You sure seem to like to talk a lot. Do you think anybody really reads it? I don’t disagree, if you are of a mind to teach pigs to sing lets drag out the Victrola.

      • Appreciate the astute thought……..hicusdicus

        I’m conservative minded, in that “fools go where angels fear to tread”, pursuant to most of the liberalism ideology today they seem to be foolish more than not and more than ever.
        Neitzsche said in 1800’s….
        “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.” (Obama)
        Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama prevaricates to (us) the citizens of the USA on a 24/7 basis, about anything and everything…for his personal idiosyncrasies albeit his ego coupled with an inferiority complex to boot.

        His means really don’t justify the end results. Obama had a GOD given opportunity to promote the good of all…but rather, and pursuant to his “demons” of past memories of getting even or even a mindset* of maybe diminishing the USA for cause has failed to demonstrate
        the main quality of a United States President-Integrity.

        It’s an opinion due to the ongoing events, actions and words of President Obama that is reported 24/7 on diverse world-wide news and cable programs and print.

        If someone is ignorant (uninformed) of the reality of the
        deleterious times (terrorists etc) they should be able to find illumination, but as you said….are they cognizant of same or stolid in thought….seems like the latter!

        best regards, Joe T
        Personally I have had a lot of education etc…sorry.
        e.g. reprint
        So why isn’t Obama working to limit the Brotherhood’s scope and influence? Maybe because he doesn’t really have a problem with the Brotherhood, despite its hostility to America. He made sure to invite Brotherhood leaders to attend his notorious speech to the Islamic world in Cairo, Egypt, in June 4, 2009. Starting in the earliest days of his administration, he showed an intense desire to establish friendly ties with Brotherhood-linked organizations—despite the Brotherhood’s stated goal of “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.”
        (Strange you think)

        • He is truly starting to emulate the Manchurian candidate. I am beginning to think that the really big money and power has him in their pocket and may have groomed him to do their bidding. I used to think that talk was just political mud slinging but I am not so sure now. Obama care will benefit no one but the power base. Racism is worse than I ever remember it. But it is different than it used to be. There is good possibility that the general population is being set up to be fleeced. To do this successfully the population must be unarmed. Gun violence is a buzz word that has no substance.You know and I know and the power base knows that violence is part of human nature and can be subdued only with the heavy hand of a police state . It must be achieved slowly and quietly. If I am wrong please tell me. You very much seem to know what you are talking about.


            IF THEY (muslins) believe the Quran/Koran……and you do NOT……you should be killed ordead as for as they are concerned. 4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers…..from the QURAN!

            KEEP BELIEVING THEY ARE PEACEFUL…..8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels:

            I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off (behead) their heads and strike off every fingertipof them.

            The Qur’an was an oral text throughout the lifetime of Muhammad; it was also a fluid text. The complete text resided only in the memories of Muahmmad and his followers. As he added verses and reorganized the text, his followers would rememorize the text in the light of the additions or edits. This means that the Qur’an was a living text during the lifetime of Muhammad. Certain verses revealed to Muhammad were later repudiated by him as “satanic” verses revealed not by Gabriel but by Satan. These verses were expunged from the text that so many had memorized.

            It’s plain to see Barack Hussein Obama has loyalties to this ideology that he can’t hide. It’s self-evident for many reasons; one of which is that he clearly avoids (refuses) to call the terrorists by their identity of followers of Islamic teachings, proven by the Qur’an (Koran) to be VIOLENT.

            For Manchurian* Candidate substitute the word Muslim.*
            This is occurring world wide at a rapid rate, due to changes in verbiage by current covert leaders

          • Religion is a man made spiritual form of government used to guide peoples hands into their wallets. What comes out of their wallets goes to a small cabal of self righteous men. These men take complete control over the population particularly young females. They teach the young men to die for them so the cabal’s lifestyle can remain intact. Faith is the main drug used to keep this all glued together. If one does not believe what I say they will immediately become part of the BOHICA tribe. Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

        • Did god create man or did man create god. The first thing man created was the collection plate just the right size to be passed around. Everywhere a god is involved a collection plate resides in the shadows. When it pops out of the shadows you better contribute or your body parts will be used to entertain the faithful.

          • I gotta run to catch a flight……… know in your heart and mind the answer….here’s a clue.

            Life is sweet
            but life is short,
            so open your mind
            to the truth in your heart,
            for in a fleeting moment
            that no one can hold,
            tomorrow is gone…behold!
            © 2015 Joe T

          • Man is born, he eats he craps, he sleeps. Everything he does in between is is to soften the prospects of the inevitable. Of course a large soft pair of you know whats can make it easier to get through the night.

  10. You Barry Soetoro lovers haven’t got a CLUE to what is transpiring behind the scenes……………can you spell DNA…what year was the war 1812 fought in… long did the 30 years war run..cognizant of esoteric nomenclature? Yeah, thought so…….veritas

      • A police union official tells the Associated Press that an officer shot early Thursday on the southern edge of Paris has died. Authorities say it is too soon to determine if the shooting is connected to Wednesday’s deadly Islamist terror attack on the Charlie Hebdo magazine that killed 12 people, including two police officers.

  11. Joey,I have concluded that you are a bonafide,certified,dyed in the wool,card carrying racist!The USA needs more individuals such as yourself like a giraffe needs a sore throat.

    • Kinch • a month ago
      We are leaving the golden age guaranteed by the Constitution.
      Whom is behind the the promoting of Pinocchiobama from the start? It’s large, the phony birth certificate placed in Hawaii, the college record(?) where nobody remembers him being there. Several SS numbers including one from Conn. where it’s reported he never lived. He is a phony. And remember, he went to Rev(?) Wright’s church preached hate of white people for 20 years, lied that he didn’t per Rev(?) Wright. Fully investigate after impeachment and conviction. Punish harshly all in involved.

      • The acronym for deoxyribonucleic acid! Hey, this is fun. How about a Biblical question. Did Jesus ever claim he was the son of God?

          • And YOU, like Joe, actually still believe that man is alone in the Milky Way. What an ego. What a maroon.

          • Also give it a try before you die, best wishes, Joe T

            1 John 2:22
            Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
            “He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for HE SAID, I am the Son of God.” -Matthew 27:43
            John 10:36
            10:36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
            I think a big reason of why Jesus never directly said that He was the Son of God (unless He was asked to say it) was because He wanted the people to exercise faith in Him, rather than seeing miracles and the like to prove to them that He was.
            Jesus explicitly calls himself the Son of God here in Matthew 26:
            Matthew 26:63a-64b
            The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
            Jesus replied “What you have said is true.”
            I don’t think it gets much more clear than that.

          • “What a maroon”….Term made famous by Bugs Bunny, referencing Elmer Fudd, meaning one easily fooled, a nincompoop. I am referring to the Milky Way, as in our Galaxy. Odd you reference the candy YOU use to entice children into your sick world. God help you.

          • Not at all. In your other posts YOU have injected everything from boobs to candy. In reality you pedophiles aren’t interested in boobs since they come attached to women who find your erectile dysfunction humorous. So you rely on candy to lure in the children who think you’re creepy but will then succumb to your depravity.

          • I did not realize you were of homosexual leanings I will try not to venture into the areas of boobs again. I can understand how erectile dysfunction could get you banned from your community. OMG what if you acquired hemorrhoids and fever blisters? Your life would be over.

          • You are really into the cartoon world. I always suspected that was where liberals hung out or hung it out, whatever!

          • Give it a try, before you die…best wishes. Joe T

            1 John 2:22

            Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.

            “He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for HE SAID, I am the Son of God.” -Matthew 27:43

            John 10:36

            10:36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

            I think a big reason of why Jesus never directly said that He was the Son of God (unless He was asked to say it) was because He wanted the people to exercise faith in Him, rather than seeing miracles and the like to prove to them that He was.

            Jesus explicitly calls himself the Son of God here in Matthew 26:

            Matthew 26:63a-64b

            The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

            Jesus replied “What you have said is true.”

            I don’t think it gets much more clear than that.

        • You must be a believer in the (sic) Koran

          1 John 2:22
          Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
          “He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for HE SAID, I am the Son of God.” -Matthew 27:43
          John 10:36
          10:36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
          I think a big reason of why Jesus never directly said that He was the Son of God (unless He was asked to say it) was because He wanted the people to exercise faith in Him, rather than seeing miracles and the like to prove to them that He was.
          Jesus explicitly calls himself the Son of God here in Matthew 26:
          Matthew 26:63a-64b
          The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
          Jesus replied “What you have said is true.”
          I don’t think it gets much more clear than that.

          • But Joe I don’t follow the bible. I will give it credit for being the best work of fiction ever assembled by a large group of strangers. It also makes good body armor if attacked by a Koran wielding Muslim. A rick of bibles will stoke the stove for several days. A Koran in the bus station bath room will only last through one tourist bus.

          • Several times. Depending on the quality of her boobs. Seeing the light and the cleavage seem to happen at the same time.

          • “You must be a believer in the Koran”. Only Satan could make such evil claims about me. Cast him OUT Joe, cast him OUT, before he consumes Christ’s place in your heart & soul like he’s done to hicusdicus. “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Christ’s only direct answer to my question to you was “We are ALL God’s children”…..Give THIS some thought Joe; “God’s” laws (Commandments) can easily be broken, but the Creators laws (physics) cannot! Man fully understands Gods laws, but the Creators laws are still mostly a mystery. That’s a fact…Think about it.

    • izvinite…….you couldn’t conclude WHO’s on first…….your idea of debate is sardonic rhetoric sans integrity…..stop embarrassing yourself on the internet……….it’s demeaning…grow up!

    • PS…………get you facts straight of who’s a RACIST….bud….

      Ben Stein: ‘Obama is the most racist president.’ Why is Obama the punching bag du jour?
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      Liberals opinion of Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama

      • Joey,Stop trying to sell your pseudo intellectual bullshit to people YOU consider intellectually inferior to yourself.The fact remains and will always remain for individuals such as yourself,YOU sir are a fucking RACIST!!!

        • YOUR personal attacks combined with common vulgarity displays your ill temperament and you shouldn’t be on any public forum with your bad demeanor of internet rage ….therapy is in order for you pursuant to your own lack of mental thought control…cease and desist from posting to me expressly or they may come to visit you.
          Remember you first posted a retort to me, not I to you….cease and desist! Try to resist your inner thought process of being offensive to the public with violent comments and learn civility to others.
          best regards, Joe T

    • Only blind people are not racist. If you don’t believe me look it up.You are a racist unless you are blind. You are a bonafide bigot with some stupid stuck on your shoe.

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