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WASHINGTON (Reuters) — Former President George H.W. Bush takes some unexpected swipes at Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, key members of his son’s administration, over their reaction to the Sept. 11 attacks, in a new biography of the 41st president, Fox News reported on Wednesday.

In Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey Of George Herbert Walker Bush, author Jon Meacham quotes Bush as saying that Cheney and Rumsfeld were too hawkish and that their harsh stance damaged the reputation of the United States, the cable news network said.

Speaking of Cheney, who was vice president under President George W. Bush, the senior Bush said: “I don’t know, he just became very hard-line and very different from the Dick Cheney I knew and worked with,” according to the report.

Cheney served as defense secretary during George H.W. Bush’s 1989-1993 presidency.

“The reaction (to Sept. 11), what to do about the Middle East. Just iron-ass. His seeming knuckling under to the real hard-charging guys who want to fight about everything, use force to get our way in the Middle East,” Bush told Meacham in the book to be published next Tuesday.

Bush believes Cheney acted too independently of his son by creating a national security team in his own office, and may have been influenced to become more conservative by his wife and daughter, Lynne and Liz Cheney, the report cites the biography as saying.

On Rumsfeld, secretary of defense for most of the two terms served by his son, Bush is even more critical. He is quoted as saying: “I don’t like what he did, and I think it hurt the President,” referring to his son.

“I’ve never been that close to him anyway. There’s a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He’s more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that. Rumsfeld was an arrogant fellow,” he was quoted as saying in the biography.

Fox News quoted Cheney as denying his family had influenced his views, saying: “It’s his view, perhaps, of what happened, but my family was not conspiring to somehow turn me into a tougher, more hardnosed individual. I got there all by myself.”

Bush’s spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.

Rumsfeld declined to comment on the book, Fox News said.

(Reporting by Eric Walsh; Editing by Peter Cooney)

Photo: Former U.S. President George H.W. Bush looks into the audience during the Medal of Freedom ceremony at the White House in Washington February 15, 2011. REUTERS/Larry Downing

30 Responses to Former President George H.W. Bush Raps Cheney, Rumsfeld In Biography: Fox News

  1. Gee. Maybe he could have said something WHILE they were helping to orchestrate the needless deaths of so many of our best and brightest young people in Iraq, and then before his boys administration drove the nations economy off a cliff..

    Where was the ‘wise one’ then? .. I will tell you where he was, NOT GIVEING A KRAP ABOUT YOU.. He is only worried about his boys chances, not you, not me, not America.

    • The MSM loves Poppy and portrays him as a principled guy, not as a man who was deeply involved in the unconstitutional, illegal Iran Contra operation and lied to the public, claiming he was out of the loop. He then pardoned Sec Def Caspar Weinberger whose diary would have proved at trial that Bush was a main player. Unlike their reaction to the Marc Rich pardon journalists and pundits shrugged this egregious coverup off. People talk about “Clinton rules” (the Clintons are always up to no good) but never acknowledge there are also “Bush rules” – those upper class aristocrats can do nothing truly wrong.

      Wouldn’t you like to be a fly on the wall at their Thanksgiving dinner?

      • He actually probably did. But it’s an unspoken rule for ex-Presidents to give their criticisms and opinions discreetly, always has been in the modern era. Rule of the Club.

        • I suppose it isnt helpful for a sitting president to get advice from a former president. I would hope that any quite advice from Papoa Bush would be listened by jr.

  2. Here’ Poppy standing in the rubble of the family mantle looking for someone to pin the blame on W’s failed presidency while the eldest Jeb roasts on a spit over the flames of Shrub’s horrid legacy as commander and chief.

    Too bad the ole man has to go out with this gory view of his family’ contribution to the highest service in the land of the free world

    • I once visited a city in Canada during Shrub’s span, and I almost flunked re-entering the country.. because I just couldn’t force myself to say Dick Cheney was vice president.

  3. I seriously doubt that Cheney was not a hard liner before 9-11. After all he along with the rest of his PNAC cronies – Rummy, Wolfie and even Jebbie- had been angling to get their hands on Iraq’s oil long before, They even lobbied Clinton to take out Saddam and promoted the con man Chalabi so he could help spread their propaganda. The record clearly shows that 9-11 was an excuse for them to act on their long held megalomania and greed.

    Basically what Poppy is saying is that Cheney played Junior but the truth is Vheney also fooled Poppy with his pretend moderation. I would bet money that Poppy was a big supporter of Cheney for VP but the Bushes, who are masters of dirty tricks and deception, were outmaneuvered by the Dark Lord.

  4. Well, he’s not wrong. LOL

    This is a criminal calling criminals criminals. It takes one to know one. There is some truth to Dubya being a puppet of Rumsfeld and Cheney but that doesn’t make the Bush clan any less criminal in their own right.

    Of course, there is a certain level of enjoyment to see them cannibalizing their own kind.

    • I always liked Bush the Elder. And I dont see that he did anything particular wrong here. When he took back Kuwait he stopped before engaging in a long slog to Bagdad. He as right then as he is now. I always think of him as a decent man even if i wasn’t going to back his re-election. As for Bush the lesser…he was and always will be wrong, regardless if what his family may say.

      • I always felt that H.W. made a big mistake by stopping the Kuwait war when he did. He should have let our boys roll on into Baghdad and refuel their vehicles before pulling back to Kuwait just to demonstrate to the Iraqi people that they had lost the war big time (the Iraqi military was completely crushed & unable to defend Baghdad or anyplace else). As it was, Saddam soon had his people convinced that he had defeated the coalition and driven them out of Iraq. Of course, his first mistake was telling our diplomat in Baghdad to tell Saddam that we did not care what Saddam did about his borders which gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait.

        • True that whole diplomatic murkiness gave Sadam a nod toward invasion. Had we continued invading then, we still would feel obligated to rebuild Iraq. Perhaps we would have made less mistakes though…then again Dick Cheney, Rummy and Wolfy were around.

          • I really fail to see how sending a convoy into Baghdad as a show of strength and then immediately pulled back to Kuwait would have incurred any obligation on our part to rebuild the country after we destroyed their military in combat.

        • You can see what happened to the stability in the mideast when they did roll into Baghdad. It was not a good move. It fostered more hate grouops like ISIS. It opened up Iraq to terrorists. We lost face in the Mideast.

          • You missed the thrust of my post, idamag, which was that we merely let the populace of Baghdad see that we had free run of the country and that Saddam had NOT defeated us. Saddam would still be in power. The reason everything went sideways when Shrub rolled into Iraq was that he completely destroyed the political power class leaving Iraq wide open to terrorists.

        • H.W. stopped for one reason, and one reason only; he knew that “The Mustache”, as Tom Clancy referred to Hussein, was the only thing holding Iraq together and that he had deliberately made sure nothing was going to keep working if he ever went down.

          Clancy’s politics weren’t very realistic in a number of ways, but his portraying Hussein’s regime that way turned out to be very, very accurate when Saddam was taken out and Iraq became a quagmire of terror and death.

          • Thank you, Daniel, it appears that I have missed more than one of Clancy’s novels but my proposal was that we should have merely rolled into Baghdad, refuel our vehicles on Saddam’s dime, and withdrew to Kuwait leaving Saddam in power but unable to claim that he had defeated us.

          • No problem, and thanks for clarifying. I have to admit–I’m curious as to how that would have gone.

            The book in question, by the way, is *Executive Orders*, AKA (to me at least) as “The last true Jack Ryan book” as the revamping and sledgehammering to rebrand the setting started as of the next book.

    • At least GWHB was an old school Republican: still hard nosed and hawkish, still very much a servant of the elites, but at least not a complete nincompoop on foreign policy and economics.

      He knew Reaganomics for the sham it is and called it such, and never had any truck with the insanity of the religious right and white supremacists in the Republican party, who basically run it now.

      • Saying George Sr. isn’t as bad as current Republicans is like saying a flaming turd rolling down a hill of flaming turds isn’t as bad as the giant ball of flaming turds at the bottom of the hill.

        I freely admit that I had to stop typing that halfway through to LOL

  5. George the elder has some interesting insights. I knew i liked him for a reason. Pity is own party disrespects him still.

  6. If I remember correctly, Evil cheney and rummy tried to get the elder bush to keep fighting until he took out Hussein. The elder George Bush, having a triple-digit I.Q. and maturity level above eleven-years-old, could see the negative consequences of continuing on to take out Hussein. Baby bush was their little patsy.

    • it was Cheney as Defense secretary that presented the case for not continuing on to Iraq after the war in kuwait. If only he had been listening to himself. I’m sure it’s still available on utube. They are all criminals and boobs. It’s obvious Bush the elder is just trying to scrape some of the s h i t off of his son’s repuatation.

      • Not that it matters, lucky–JEB! went and took a big steaming one on his father’s attempt to salvage the family’s dignity and legacy.

        *HE DEFENDED DICK CHENEY*, saying that the Dick of Politics served well as SecDef and as Presidential Vice under the W.

        • George the elder must wonder sometimes if barbra was fooling around because it’s obvious his sons didn’t inherit much intelligence from him. It’s funny, not haha, that an evil man like George senior almost begins to look good comapred to what we see now leading the GOP.

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