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Saturday, October 22, 2016

Lindsey Graham (R-SC) — who will likely face a serious if not career-ending primary challenge in 2014 — appeared on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight with his “amigos” John McCain (R-AZ) and the soon-to-be retired Joe Lieberman (I-CT) on Tuesday.

When the subject turned to marriage equality, Graham presented what has become the standard right-wing answer: Let the states decide. When that didn’t satisfy Morgan — who hails from a country where the conservative prime minister is about to push legislation to legalize same-sex marriage — Graham went to another right-wing canard: “Is it okay to have three people marry each other?”

At this point, Graham’s two amigos seem to become visibly nervous.

Graham went on to argue that instead of an amendment to ban gay marriage, which he long endorsed, “the people” should pass an amendment to legalize it. Where did he get such an idea?

Where every politician gets his ideas these days — the movie Lincoln:

Slavery was outlawed by a Constitutional amendment. Go watch Lincoln, a great movie. The people decided. The question for us is who should decide these things? Should it be a handful of judges or should it be the people themselves? And I come out on the side of the people themselves. Different people will look at it differently. But slavery was outlawed by a Constitutional amendment. If you want to propose a Constitutional amendment legalizing same-sex marriage and it passes, that’s the law of the land.

As Think ProgressAviva Shen points out, “Graham omitted the fact that the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery was only made possible after the bloodiest war in America’s history.”

Slavery was effectively written into the Constitution with the 3/5 Compromise. What David Boise and Ted Olson — the lawyers who faced each other before the Supreme Court for the case of Bush v. Gore — will argue in 2013 is that the Constitution as amended implicitly allows for marriage equality.

Simply acknowledging that there’s no Constitutional reason to deny the right of any two non-related adults to marry would be a lot easier than a civil war.

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  • Lynn Graham is proof that their are more horses asses than horses.

    • amazonfan

      Indeed 😀

  • nobsartist

    I cannot believe that a gay man can be so prejudiced.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      I am a Gay Man. Yes, to a small degree I am prejudiced.

      Just because some of are gay means we can’t be prejudiced is not true at all. We’re very much like everyone else with our own opinions, feeling and emotions.

      I think, in this area, unlike some from the far right, at least I don’t voice them in public and I don’t make smartass comments that point to it. In my own situation, I deal with them internally and grow. But, I notice as I get older, these old prejudices surface in unexpected ways.

      In reality, as a policy, the Gay Community can not be prejudiced in any way. We as a group need all the support we can get. And, voicing prejudice against any particular group might turn that very group against us if we need their support.

      In this sense, we as individuals, quash our own freedom of speech rights in favor of survival of the group.

  • Sierra111

    Gay marriage is before the U.S. Supreme Court for a decision. We don’t need an amendment to the Constitution.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      Actually, there does need to be a new Amendment for gay marriage. among many other issues. But, like always, this country likes to take the easy way out and do things half-hearted, only partly resolved.

      Yes, we’re lible to get marriage approved. But, watch and see all the loopholes the decision won’t clarify.

      At least there are some improvements. We need to do a lot more nationally for total equality. If we do this state by state, it will take another 50 years.

  • amazonfan

    Can’t wait until that traiter Lieberman retires!!!

  • Jim Lou

    The GOP have no clue. They still live back in 1800’s, especially those from the South.

    • patuxant

      Why should those people object? Afterall, many are inbred, engage in bestiality, and have no issue in intimacies with those of the same sex as long as no one is watching.


    Alllll Liberals are Homosexual GAYS!!!!!!!!!

    How can one man want another muscular harry manly man
    loving all over him????

    and WHO in their right mind wants a dick rammed in their asshole!!!!!!!!!!

    Your allllllllll sick in the head!!!!!!!

    It’s NOT right

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      I know more than a few straight man/woman married couples who could very easily debate you on that issue. In fact, I know a few straight couples who sex play is far more bizarre than my companion and I could ever be.

      Anal play is not the exclusive territory of the gay community.

      Grow Up!

      • That is sick and actually what is wrong right out of Sodom and Gormorrah

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          IF you really believe what the bible says, you should also agree with much of what the old testament said; killing off entire villages, stoning women, killing the first born etc., etc., etc…………..

          I could cite more more examples if you really need me to.

          It’s all BS and only meant to scare little children and keep people dominated with fear using their own built-in sense of life -long “Programmed” guilt. The Church knows this is a very powerful force and uses it quiet effectively.

          It’s all passed on from generation to generation and reinforced by a church’s own value system which is in question; recently bringing into light all the stuff going on in the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, Irish Reformatories, Orphanages in Germany, various religious-backed Youth Groups (usually christian) across the world.

          We’re only finding out what happened within the last 50 years or so. I wonder what really went on even before.

          Remember, Fear, Guilt, Secrecy and Ignorance is probably the worst things to base an entire religion on.

          • Michael again another great response, bravo!!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Thank you:)

            The only difference between myself and this allamerican jackass that I take it willingly.

            He takes it because of his bigoted views catering to the republicons and religion, in which case he’s left with little choice in the matter since, what it appears, he’s brain dead.

            Someone ought to just disconnect this person from the life support machine.

          • grammyjill

            He’s a she.

          • grammyjill

            Michael I’ve been married for 26 years and my best friend is gay. I believe that anyone who wishes to be married should do so as long as the other person involved agrees. I’ve heard all that crap about gay marriage somehow affecting my marriage. As I said Crap.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You’re right.

            I haven’t heard not one logical comment proclaiming exactly in specific detail how someone who is in a gay relationship, say a next door neighbor, is affecting anyone’s straight marriage, let alone their privacy or family life.

            It’s all BS!

          • grammyjill

            I think everyone should have at least one gay friend. I feel very fortunate that I have several. Of both sexes. My husband was a little freaked out when we went to a wedding and both women kissed both of us but he’s better now. Good luck to you and your partner.

      • Michael I one of thos straight men that believe the “right” to marry should apply to any 2 people who want to do so. On this forum the right wingers who write comments here go right to the name calling and gay bashing. Allamerican you are a narrowminded illiterate person who should stay in his little own world. It’s a right to get married. Your writing is redundant – “Homosexuals are gay by definition”. You can’t spell – the word is hairy not harry that’s a man’s name. As fo you wants a dick rammed in their asshole you may want to talk to your wife about this.

    • I am a Liberal and I am not Gsy,homosexual or support homosexuality whether it be male or Female

      • patuxant

        Just shows you how crazy this looney tune guy is.

        • patuxant

          Believes in freedom to look in the bedrooms of others but not his own.

          • grammyjill

            I believe everyone should have at least one gay friend. That would make things like this alot easier.

      • grammyjill

        Go get a gay friend. You’ll change your mind when someone is trying to hurt your friend.

    • karinursula

      I believe you are the one who is sick.

    • patuxant

      You like doing that to a woman?

  • I disagre, marriage is not political it is religious. Our constitution was set up to keep religion out of politics. We don’t need to change the constitution we need to follow it, not question it. The far right has tried to make our politics regligious. Put the people’s rights first, the way you believe keep it to yourself, do not make ita party issue.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      Gay Marriage, actually all marriages, is no longer a religious issue.

      When the state mandated that you have to have a Marriage License present at the ceremony, it took religion right out of the responsibility of the process.

      IF Marriage was the exclusive territory of religion, how come you can get legally married in front of a judge? Simple answer, it isn’t a religious issue. It is a state issue. And, as such it is a state function, nothing more.

      Also be aware, a Church can’t even perform a legal marriage unless there is a Marriage License present before the ceremony is performed. If they do, it is an illegal marriage and has no force of law backing it up and does not enforce any rights, responsibilities and benefits of the marriage.

      This is why even today, we hear of couples, entire families where found out they thought there were married many years ago, only to find out it was an illegal marriage all along because they never went and got a Marriage License and the church performed the ceremony because of their own ignorance.

      More often that not, marriage today is a Business Contract between two consenting adults.

  • Are all of these teaparty people that stupid? I have not heard any of these people say anything positive or usefull. All they want is cut,cut and more cut while they themselves pocket all the money.Why, just look at all the money they wasted trying to get the one man who really cares about fixing the econmy.And they lost. Yes, I sleep like a baby every night knowing these people were defeated. I just wander what is going to happen in the midterm.

  • This ‘interview’ or ‘debate about legalizing same sex marriage has missed an important point: The opponents attempt to frame it as a debate about ‘religious freedom’. However, the freedom to marry is not a religious right. Our town’s Mayor, along with a number of other officials, may conduct a marriage ceremony, with no religious references required. At the same time, it is my understanding that an indivual church, or a religious denomenation has the right to set its own rules about who is elegible to be married in that institution. Therefore, the federal or state governments should not have the power to prvent a ‘couple’ from being married. Religious rights are not involved.

  • karinursula

    I really don’t understand why people care if Gay’s get married. I can image that in the gay community as in the heterosexual you have long time relationships or sometimes it does not work out. My motto has always been, live and let live. Don’t we have more pressing problems in our country?

  • Un American BIGOT!!!!!!

  • acmavm

    It’s guys like Lindsey that are making Lincoln spin in his grave. I imagine he’s just outside Tokyo by now.

  • The GOP says they want to limit government, yet now they want to govern personal issues, will they ever stop?

  • S-3

    As A South Carolinian, I know better than this. Please don’t lump me in with these Southerner scumbags ruining my country!! I want them removed and dead just as much as most people around here (not just on this comment page, either!).

  • Lovefacts

    Republicans claim they want smaller government with a few exceptions: who can vote, the right to join unions, a woman’s ability to control her body, equal pay for equal work, and the enviornment to name a few. The truth is Republicans want to control every aspect of our personal lives but allow businesses to run wild.

  • Yes Michael marriage licenses are about money and about being legal in whatever state you live in. God has strict rules about getting married and what is required after you are married. People’s laws are about you not practicing law or being a doctor, or getting a permit to build a house or starting a business, or keeping your neighbor fom starting a business across the street from your business. Laws are protection not only from crimnals but neighbors and to stop you unless you pay your dues.

  • In the meantime there’s the debt, and there’s the economy, and there’s taxation, and there’s terrorism, and there’s climate change, and there’s ….

    Would anyone else like to join me in switching the channel as soon as guys who talk out of the sides of their necks start to talk out of the side of their neck?

  • This guy like michelle should get electric shocks from the schocker himself her mae.

  • nobsartist

    I am concerned about marriage equality. I am concerned that republiCONs will all go out and marry 4 legged pigs instead of the 2 legged variety that they seem to gravitate towards.

    What is “Lyndsey” so concerned about anyway? He probably has a guy hidden in a closet somewhere.

  • Sand_Cat

    So, are his teeth worn from gritting them all the way through the movie about the creator of the “War of Northern Aggression” against the noble and peaceable south?

    How can anyone take this moron seriously?