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Friday, October 28, 2016

“Good fences make good neighbors,” goes the old adage. That civilizing thought refers to such friendly structures as the beautiful rock walls of New England, elegant split rails in the South, iconic whitewashed pickets of the Midwest and even privacy fences in neighborhoods all across our country.

But the neighborly adage definitely did not contemplate the 700-mile, 20-foot-high, drone-patrolled, electronically monitored fence of steel and razor wire that our government has erected across our nation’s border with Mexico, from the tip of Texas to California’s Pacific Coast.

This thing is not a fence, but a monstrous wall of hostility, a deliberate affront to our Mexican neighbors. As Senator John McCain aptly put it in a recent debate on immigration, our Land of the Free has constructed “the most militarized border since the fall of the Berlin Wall!”

There are four big flaws with the theory that you can “secure” a border (i.e., keep people from crossing it) by throwing up a big ol’ wall. First, it doesn’t work. A 20-foot wall quickly begets 22-foot ladders — people are innately inventive, and those determined to get in or out will find many ways to do it.

Second, walls create bigger problems than they resolve, for they are deeply divisive. Our Mexican wall is ugly, both literally and in the unmistakable message of contempt it screams nonstop at the Mexican people. It’s generating bitterness toward us — and that turns neighbors into enemies.

Third, that wall has physically ripped healthy relationships apart. For centuries, families, friends, businesses and cities themselves were thoroughly integrated into unified communities across the artificial line drawn on a map.

Fourth, such walls are insanely expensive — so far, Washington has hurled tens of billions of dollars at this one to build, maintain and police it. Enforcement alone costs $18 billion per year. In addition, states have dumped untallied billions into it.

Can these policymakers even spell w-a-s-t-e? Yet the U.S. Senate voted overwhelmingly in June to waste another $46 billion to build 700 more miles of the hateful wall and double the number of militarized border agents.

Is there no other need in our country for that money? Nothing constructive we might do with it?

  • JD Mulvey

    The Republican Party stood firm on their unshakable principles –no “amnesty” for the “illegals” –right up until their corporate masters were ready to deal.

  • tdm3624

    I wouldn’t care if Canada put up a wall to keep us Americans out. I wouldn’t be angry or affronted at all. It’s their country, they could decide what to waste their money on just like we get to do.

    • Sand_Cat

      Well, yes. If they wanted to keep out escapees from the criminally-insane looney bin our country is rapidly becoming, I could sympathize, provided they still allow an increasing flood of the sane and rational to apply for entry as refugees seeking political asylum.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        We ought to let the Mexicans take Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and part of California. Let Russia take Alaska. Let the south leave the Union.

        The rest of us should join with Canada. I think the “rest of us” would be a lot better off.

        • FredAppell

          Hi Michael, I think America has an identity crisis. It won’t be long before we start identifying illegals as invaders and take military action against them. I could see that possibility becoming a reality very soon.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            How’s my friend been doing? OK I hope:)

            America has ALWAYS had an identity crisis.

          • FredAppell

            I’m getting by Brother, I hope you’re doing the same:)

            Hopefully, America will figure out who she wants to be when she grow’s up.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Giving the fact that we’re messing with countries that are thousands of years older than us, we’ve got a long time before we reach adulthood.

            In comparison, we are bratty, snot-nosed, tantrum-throwing Toddlers on the world stage.

            At the rate we’re going, we ain’t gonna make it. This country NEVER learns from other people’s mistakes. Hell, we can’t even learn from our own.

          • FredAppell

            Exactly!!!! That comes from our arrogance. We have never faced the kind of crisis’s that the rest of the world has, although having said that, we are not the only country that keeps repeating these mistakes but we should know better.

          • Dominick Vila

            We have had an identity crisis since we became a nation. The irony is that while we become enraged when the topic of Mexican and Central American illegal immigrants is raised, we remain complacent when someone mentions that the best jobs our economy has to offer go to foreign professionals who enter the USA with H1b visas, and that the folks that attacked us on 9/11 and, again, in Boston, had no problem entering the USA legally via our international airports. Heck, some learned how to fly in some of our most prestigious institutions of learning.

          • FredAppell

            Something definitely is going on here. I wonder if much of it has to do with the kinds of treaties that we have with each individual
            nation. Perhaps it isn’t anything more than good old fashioned racism or maybe it’s all by design. All I know is that America has a bad habit of sending mixed messages to the rest of the world.

        • 788eddie

          Actually, with global warming, Canada is becoming less like Canada used to be (re: climate) and more like us.

          You may be on to something.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            If that is the case, along with Alaska which is mostly Permafrost, a large portion of Northern Canada’s Permafrost may melt into a goo.

            I’m thinking eventually everything that is within 40 degrees North Latitude to 20 Degrees South Latitude will turn into a worldwide Sahara Desert.

            Not bad if you like warm weather……………

      • FredAppell

        Sand_Cat, we would never see a border wall between us and Canada.
        Everyone is too damn PC to say why that is. Canada doesn’t have the problems facing it that Mexico has and Canadians look and sound just
        like us (hint, hint). No one is going to convince me otherwise that it isn’t
        about race and America’s stigmatization of poor Mexicans.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          It isn’t only Mexicans America Stigmatizes. This country has has a historic record of stigmatizing every single ethic group that has immigrated to this country from the first day it was founded. If it wasn’t the Pols, it was the Jews. If it wasn’t the Jews, it was the Irish, the Japanese, the Chinese. On and on ad-infinium.

          This country is NOT as welcoming as our Statue of Liberty represents. It’s all bullshit.

          • FredAppell

            Michael, as usual you don’t mince words. You also point out a hard cold fact, even those at the top can’t seem to let go of their petty differences. We have collectively made just about every group of people that ever came here miserable at one point or another, including those that were born here.

            Some people have an aversion to anyone different than them and many of them serve in the U.S. Government. I wish I knew why the words on the Statue of Liberty were never changed, they really don’t represent the truth.

        • holyreality

          Canada has a stable environment where the people are happy and complacent. Canadians are a very nice people too.

          Mexico is an unstable warlord/cartel state where the average citizen has a family that is starving.

          It is not the Mexicans/Central Americans who are stigmatized, it is their origins. Perhaps some just hate the darker more swarthy amongst us but bleeding hearts for these poor souls helps nobody except the aristocracy and cartel leadership south of the border.

          Nobody is asking why do all these people “need” their better life north of the border? Why does life suck so bad that families send their best and brightest north for their survival?

          Nobody asks why can’t Mexico be a better place where the people can live their decent lives? Won’t more people benefit if Mexican government was replaced by a non-corrupt republic not controlled by the cartels/warlords?

          • FredAppell

            Not enough people care to have the answers to those questions.
            I understand your comment about bleeding hearts but they would be happy to actually do some real good if they could get the support that is required. A change in Mexico’s politics would be the most helpful. I guess the situation will only change when Mexico’s people do something about it themselves.

          • holyreality

            Revolution MUST come from within, every outside form will fail.

            Castro’s revolution endures in the face of US diplomatic hostility while the Afghan and Iraqi puppets teeter and Egypt already failed.

            Mexican freedom imposed by American guns would be most tragic, I dearly hope to never see it.

          • FredAppell

            Agreed! You do realize that if Mexico ever had a revolution, there would be dire consequences for the entire continent. The first casualty of such a war will be the most innocent. There would be such a wave of refugee’s that America would be faced with 2 choices. Neither one of those choices is a win win.

            I would love to see the Mexican people climb out of their decades long nightmare but America won’t be able to sit idly on the sidelines while it happens. Either way you choose to look at it, we’re already involved.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Now why would the US want to help the people down there in Mexico have a better life?

            You do realize that IF we actually improved things down there, our underground labor force would vanish. Who’d pick our crops?

            And, oh my goodness, where would we get our drugs.

            No, we can’t improve things down there too much. We’d be cutting our own throats as a result.

            We can’t even improve relations with Cuba. We MUST have Cuba as a enemy to keep the Cuban refugees happy down in Florida.

          • FredAppell

            Dammit Mike, you can’t just go around exposing America’s dirty little secret 🙂 Good old American Foreign Policy, it basically boils down to resources and human trafficking. Whatever the money class sets their sites on, our government is sure to oblige.

            We should have lifted the Cuban embargo years ago, your reasoning is only one small part of the puzzle though. Perhaps
            America is still pissed because for good or bad, Castro and his regime won’t allow us to push them around. Maybe Castro is simply an agent of our own creation that turned rogue on us.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Oh, I know my reasoning about Cuba only scratched the surface:)

            Castro was the result of our attempt at turning Cuba into a vacation spot for the rich, famous and Agribusiness which forced and sometimes killed many small landowners off their lands. The first wave of Cuban Refugees were nationals that cooperated with american Agribusiness entities.

            Most of them still have Death Sentences waiting for them if they ever return and would have been executed if they stayed. This is why they want Castro dead so they can return to their former “Glory Days”.

            By the way, Agribusiness is doing the same in South America right now, especially in Brazil.

            Another factor, think of Teddy’s Gunboat Diplomacy across Central America. A lot of that is still being felt today.

          • FredAppell

            In other words, we threaten to level their cities and ports if they don’t acquiesce to our demands. That’s what most of our war’s have been about. Funny how we never defend a country from invaders if that country doesn’t have anything that American Big Business can exploit.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Well, we never toppled countries by force, at least not without a so-called justified reason that I know of.

            If we can’t do it economically, we demonize their leaders so badly with our propaganda, as we did with Sadam, we’ll just justify a declaration of war on them and depose their leaders. We did that to General Noriega of Panama too.

            We even supplied Sadam with Chemical Weapons he used against Iran in the Iran/Iraq War. Then, he used those same weapons against the Kurds in his own country.

            In each one of these cases, these leaders wouldn’t cow-tow down to US demands anymore and they paid the price for it.

            If I were any country, I’d be very skeptical about any “honorable” US Intentions and watch my back.

            That’s why I love what Russia is doing for Snowden:) They gave him a year citizenship. I hope its permanent if he wants it. And, I love Putin too. He won’t tolerate any of US’s bullshit. And, the US ain’t gonna be able to do much about anything either. After all, Russia has LOTS of Nukes.

          • FredAppell

            Putin is no choirboy, in some ways he is a dictator, according to our sources anyway.

            I’m not quite ready to accept Snowden and Manning just yet. My apprehension stems from being unsure of the content of the leaks. Is the U.S. going to face serious repercussions or just embarrassment? I’m open minded enough to admit that I don’t
            know all the facts.

          • Michael Kollmorgen


            Fred, anytime any foreign leader doesn’t tow the american line, they are automatically tagged a dictator. And, the more a leader of that country, any country, tries to center their concerns on their own internal national interest, the worse it becomes.

            To us, it’s called American Exceptionalism – our beliefs and actions are never wrong. With Putin, he looks at it as America meddling into and interfering in the internal politics of a sovereign state. And, he’d be totally right.

            With Snowden, he’s been leaking information about our spy programs that even spy on our Allies. Europe is just finding that out.

          • FredAppell

            That explains why Putin decided to support Assad in Syria’s conflict. I found some sites on the computer that talk about that conflict and there is at least a few sources that say there is a general feeling among some world leaders, Putin among them, that they feel they could be the next leaders to be ousted by us
            for so-called human rights abuses or any other reason we can trump up. The concern is that we are setting a precedent. I think that is a valid concern.

            Another sore spot with Russia is NATO, which perhaps it’s usefulness has long come and gone. Another example of the US
            needing to have a bogey man in order to justify our global ambitions.

            My only concern with what Snowden did is that his actions lead us into war with someone, but then again, that really is the governments fault that they spied in the first place isn’t it.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            With Putin supporting Assad, it might be a “balance of power” sort of situation.

            Russia has been an Allie of Syria for as far back as I can remember anyway.

            Our problem with NATO goes all the way back to when we were fighting Germany during WW2 and when Russia was an Allie of ours.

            Russia got screwed more than a few times during that War. The first time was when Germany stabbed Russia in the back and invaded them. Russia lost millions of its people during that war.

            The second time Russia got screwed was when we didn’t share information with Russia about the A-Bomb which originally was developed to be dropped on Germany.

            All of the Allies knew of its development, but Russia was kept in the dark about it. Naturally when we dropped it on Japan, Russia became paranoid and has been ever since.

            In a real sense the Allies, particularly us, created the Cold War, which fueled our Military Complex to the hilt.

            The problem with the US is that we never learned how to live in a peace-orientated economy. We always have to have an enemy to fight. There is not one generation born in this country that hasn’t experienced at least a war or military action, peace-keeping or otherwise.

            Without an enemy our economy would totally collapse.

          • FredAppell

            You confirmed much of what I was talking about by filling in the gaps. I’m going to cherry pick a little because that’s a lot of information you gave.

            In the first Gulf War, Syria was a US ally, and they contributed troops as well. It’s a bit murky as to why that all changed but I’m sure we are not entirely innocent. I know we came down on Syria pretty hard, we accused them of state sponsored terrorism but beyond that I’m confused.

            I agree about the reasons for the Cold War, it was a ruse so that we could justify building the largest most capable military the world has ever seen. There’s only one reason such a military
            would possibly exist, world dominance! We’re always hearing the mantra, freedom isn’t free, it is when you learn how to play nice with your neighbors and stop putting your nose where
            it doesn’t belong.

            If I understand the big picture correctly, all of us are living in a
            world dealing with the consequences due largely to America’s meddling or should I say, our own design. Perhaps that is what Snowden became aware of.

            Now I understand why you sometimes say that we’re screwed, the beast is becoming too big and powerful to stop. On more than one occasion I have entertained the notion of joining the
            Free Masons just so if the shit does hit the fan, I would be well connected and closer to the seat of power. But I care too much about integrity and doing the right thing.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            The Masonic Order is a very secret organization, primarily ONLY for men.

            We had a very dear friend who recently passed who took us on a grand tour of his Masonic Temple. A huge building right downtown Canton. There were NO communal or female toilet facilities in the place.

            The building was showing its age, roof leaks all over the place. Since their membership was dwindling, they couldn’t get up enough cash to repair anything.

            But, never the less, it was a beautiful building. It had 3 full size stages with full size pipe organs which one of them I worked on repairing it. Funny, they don’t like gay, but I did the work, hehe.

            They just threw out one pipe organ in the trash. Another one our friend played. He said after he’s gone, no one will be able to use it and will probably wind up in the trash too. For all I know, it probably already is.

            The Organ Pipes were copper or brass. Quite beautiful, just like the ones one might see in a large church.

            Once a year they hold a Christmas Dinner, only men. I like the idea of only men anyway. Not because I’m gay, but because I support only men, our needs and concerns……

            By the way, in their Lobby was a series of pictures on their wall. There were around 8 or 9 pictures of Presidents who belonged to the Masons. I don’t remember who they were.

            The term Black Ball might have originated with the Masons. When you want to become a full member, their selected members vote if you are to become a member, meaning, they all get a set of white and black balls. While balls mean your able to join. But, if just one black ball shows up in the box, you’re screwed, no membership.

            We visited a Antique Fire Station in Cincinnati a few years ago. They used the same method to choose members.

          • FredAppell

            I didn’t know that they reject gay’s. The Mason who is willing to help me get in the order might in fact be gay, he seems to be but maybe he is just a sensitive guy who is really open. I delivered to his home and immediately spotted and recognized the Masonic symbolism’s in his home. I brought it up and he was very open and more than happy to talk to me about it. One of their tenants
            is that a prospect must believe in a God, it makes no difference what denomination or religion. I’m an agnostic, I don’t believe in a god, haven’t since I could first draw breath. I suppose I could fake it but I would risk losing my self respect.

            The order presents themselves as a benevolent organization who’s intention it is to do good deeds and help men become better husbands, fathers and members of society. They have built a lot of assisted living facilities here in Connecticut over the years but I am not aware of their other projects.

            The pull to join them is not as strong as it once was, I teeter back and forth with the idea but I doubt that I would make any serious commitment to pledging. I’m not much of a team player, I only play nice with others when it suits me. Ironically, I am exactly the kind of person who could benefit from such an organization.

            I believe I am receiving that kind of benefit from you and everyone else at the Memo. I am learning to be a part of
            a larger community and new ideas and ways to handle the challenges that different opinions bring. In a sense, I’m learning to treat people in a less hostile manner when they don’t share my view points. I don’t really care if anyone feels the same reverence that I do, for me it’s all about improving myself. I am a religion of one!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            The Masonic Order is a quasi-based religious organization, meaning if you at least believe in a god, don’t matter which, you can be a member.

            I don’t know, if you are the type of person that likes a lot of people around you and don’t mind them nosing into your personal affairs, these types of organizations would fit the bill.

            I personally don’t like being attached to ANY organization, especially any volunteer organizations. Heck, I don’t even like joining a Bowling Team anymore.

            You know my story and you probably know I am a man of one and I like it that way just fine. Other than my companion, I don’t honestly need anyone else. Yes, things around here recently has improved a lot. So far! I do have a need for human interaction or I’d go insane. Here is fine, as well as emails, etc. I also have a few close friends, but not many. That’s ok too.

            We held a huge Yard Sale here for a week, ended last weekend. I was very happy when they left. One week with these people and greedy-ass people walking through it was more than enough for me to handle.

            I found out over the years you have to take people in general with a huge amount of salt. The least you have to do with people in general, the better off you’ll probably be.

          • FredAppell

            I laughed my ass off. You may be talking about yourself but you’re describing me perfectly. Lol. My brother tells people all the time “Fred doesn’t do out there very well”….I really don’t you know. I’m friendly but I’m also as serious as a heart attack and I don’t like sharing my down time with other people either. It’s like a goddamn drug that I’m addicted too.

            Hell, I only ended up at the Memo accidentally….I kind of just wandered in because I was googling a shit load of political information. I thought it might be fun for a laugh or two to make some comments and split, instead I ended up staying and taking it very seriously. There’s probably a million stories like that.

            I hope your serious about things having improved a lot. I’m pretty sure I know what your referring to so we’ll leave it at that, but good for you, it’s awesome to hear some good news for once, no matter what it is. “Someday’s you eat the bear,
            someday’s the bear eats you”. Words to live by my friend.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Well, at least you have a brother to lean on if you need to.

            The only “family” I have is my companion.

            I’ll be sending you an email, been awhile since we last communicated. Lots to tell ya about:)

            Remember, Shit Happens when you least expect it:)

          • FredAppell

            Till then Mike:)

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You could also as this question and it would be just as valid.

            Why is our brightest and most talented scientist, engineers going to a foreign country to practice their professions?

            And, mostly that location is the (LHC) Large Hadron Collider, I think on the border between Geneva and Switzerland.

            Maybe these people know something the rest of us dummies don’t. I do know why. I’d like to know if you do.

          • holyreality

            Wally the engineer in Dilbert could answer that.

            PS, cold fusion technology looks promising, but seeing rain does not ensure the crops will survive. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I asked you to form an opinion, not Wally.


            Cold Fusion nor any other fusion reactor project has NO connection with the LHC I previously mentioned earlier.

            The Cold Fusion attempt you might be thinking of was done only once. It has not been able to be repeated, not even the original experiment that claimed they did it.

            The Fusion Reactor Projects, which is not cold fusion, are in Japan, the US and maybe one other country I don’t remember at the moment.

            And, in the US, it’s not very heavily funded research either. Which it should be.

          • holyreality

            Swiss colliders are certainly relevant and necessary on the leading edge of physics and the future of humanity.

            Fusion is a science that could end the fossil fuel game entirely. Where should American engineering talent go?


            The trouble with engineering as a career is you must study ten time as hard in college as your business major buddies who party ten times as much as you, then go on to careers that “earn” ten times as much as the lowly engineer, see Wally.

            This is the root of American Engineering’s decline from the best in the world to somewhere below that status.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You nailed it right on the mark:)

            Thank you.

            I’d also like to add.

            This country does not promote higher education as well as it should. Some of these people who work in other countries probably feel; “why bother here, nobody really gives a crap.” So, they’ll go where their education and training can really be put to use, where their education is valued.

            And, this isn’t only about the level of pay either. As long as you know you are a valued scientist and feel comfortable with your surroundings, pay isn’t that important. But, in this country, higher education is stigmatized as something evil and unwanted. This is the fault of our education system and the religious right’s view on science.

            I don’t blame them for going elsewhere at all.

          • FredAppell

            We’re also conditioned to believe that anyone who doesn’t value money and materialism over all else must have a screw lose or they’re a Dirty Commie.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Yes, Fred, you are right. We are all programmed to value money over all else.

            Don’t get me wrong though. I like money like anyone else. But, I do believe “some” people take the acculturation of it to an extreme such as Trump, Gates, Jobs, Rothchilds, etc.

            Is there any wonder why the top 10% of our society, according to the latest figures, hold roughly 90% of our nation’s wealth?

            But, but, but, the “church” tells you NOT to be materialistic.

            Hint: Give it to them instead!

          • FredAppell

            I don’t like money, I need money to survive and that’s the only value I place on it. The only reason why 10% of society holds 90% is because they are hollow people who only feel joy through building vast personal wealth.

            Don’t even get me started on the church, religion has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

          • holyreality


      • Dominick Vila

        Speaking of people seeking asylum, Mr. Snowden was granted temporary asylum by the Russian government and left the Moscow airport. He is now free to download all the classified information he has in his four laptops and hand it over to former KGB agents.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          I hope Russia gives Snowden permanent Citizen Status.

          I’d do it just to piss off our government to the max. And, yep, I hope he gives all that info right into the hands of the Russians.

          Hint: The Chinese probably already have all this information due to their cyber attacks of late of our data bases. Who knows, our Corporations gave them free access anyway.

          • Dominick Vila

            I agree with what you said about our corporations giving valuable technological information to some of our competitors…without them firing a shot!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You know-

            It don’t even have to be “Military Information” either that is leaked.

            Our major corporations have been cooperating with the Chinese for a long time, supplying them with information and technical expertise with high security systems and manufacturing techniques. They don’t even need to reverse engineer it. All they need to do is add to it.

            It don’t take a rocket scientist to figure out all the Chinese need to do is figure out these systems, sophisticate them a little more, then they’ll have the same technological edge we have that we consider classified.

            That’s why they don’t need to fire a shot. They already have all this information that our corporations GAVE THEM! ANY cooperation our Corporations give them should be classified a Treasonous Crime, if nothing else, but because they are a Communist Country.

            Yes, give them bread and butter, so to speak. But, absolutely NO technical expertise in any area except for farming techniques which help to feed their peoples. This would be the Humane thing to do.

            Any other technical help is Treasonous and against our National Interest.

          • Dominick Vila

            My youngest son works in the printed circuit board industry. China dominates the assembly-line part of that industry to the point that most U.S. companies in that sector of our economy had no choice but to shut their doors. The only ones that remain in business are those that deal with state of the art technology and prototypes…until the Chinese manage to copy the technology they are using and take over that little niche as well. They don’t even bother to change anything, they copy it and use it against us by taking advantage of favorable labor conditions that allow them to sell their product for a fraction of what it costs us to make it.
            The last thing we need is Americans with access to some of our most sophisticated technologies, processes, resources and capabilities handing them over to those who are putting us out of business.

          • Michael Kollmorgen


            Well, our government isn’t doing a dam thing about copyright infringements, or patent protection rights.

            Evidence?, go to Harbor Freight and notice all the Chinese knockoffs of Brand Name formally US made products. They’re probably a quarter of what it was when it was made here and won’t hold up under heavy use.

            They’re even invading our machine tool industry. I own a machine shop and know how badly manufactured their imports are. Won’t hold up fer shit.

            You even have to watch what steel you buy anymore. Those nicely-made Stainless Steel Pots and Pans, some brand name? They’re junk. They pit and rust sooner than greased lightening. They also have some kind of coating on them that take months to clean off.

            I think what we’re witnessing with this aspect is that at one time Japanese Imports were mostly junk. But, they are some of the finest today. Chinese Imports will probably also improve over time as well.

            But, in the mean time, we’re gonna have hell to pay.

  • Dominick Vila

    In addition to creating hostility and international scorn, the wall ignores the fact that at the moment the flow of immigrants is heading South, rather than North. There are more Mexican and Central American immigrants leaving the USA than those entering the country. This circumstance was precipitated by the Great Recession, inability to find work, abuse, and the hostility that is evident to every person of color.

  • Catskinner

    It’s too bad they didn’t do this in the first place, instead of invading Iraq.

  • commserver

    I recall that the Maginot Line was to prevent the German Army from invading. The Germans had a very simple solution. Just go around it. That worked.