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Friday, September 30, 2016

MIAMI (AFP) – The trial of a U.S. neighborhood watch volunteer accused of murdering a black teenager took a fresh twist on Thursday after jurors were told they could convict him of the lesser charge of manslaughter.

Defendant George Zimmerman faces possible life in prison if convicted in Florida of second degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin in February last year.

But during closing arguments in the racially charged trial Thursday, Judge Debra Nelson said the jury could convict Zimmerman, 29, of manslaughter, if they are unconvinced that the evidence proves he is guilty of the murder.

The move came as both sides in the case traded their differing assessments.

“A teenager is dead through no fault of his own, dead because a man made assumptions and acted on them, unfortunately, because his assumptions are wrong, Trayvon Benjamin Martin no longer walks on the earth,” prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda told jurors in his closing arguments.

“He profiled him as a criminal. He assumed certain things — that Trayvon Martin was up to no good. And that’s what led to his death.”

Zimmerman’s attorneys protested the judge’s decision to allow jurors to consider lesser charges, saying the jury should be given a clear choice — either conviction for murder or acquittal.

“The state has charged him with second degree murder,” said defense attorney Don West. “They should be required to prove it, if they can. If they can’t prove it, then that is the failing of the prosecution.

“Had they wanted to charge him with manslaughter instead, because they think that’s a better chance under their theory of prosecution — whatever it may actually be, since we haven’t heard it yet — they could do that.

“We want this to go to the jury on second degree murder only.”

Defense attorneys are to give their closing arguments Friday morning, before the six women of the jury start deliberations, either that afternoon or the following week.

Late Wednesday the defense rested its case without calling Zimmerman to the witness stand, after three weeks of evidence and testimony.

Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has been portrayed by prosecutors as a would-be cop who shot Martin during a confrontation in a gated residential community in the central Florida city of Sanford.

The trial has been nationally broadcast on U.S. television, increasing anticipation and uneasiness over the verdict. Americans have been fixated by the courtroom drama, sending more than a million tweets each day about it.

During testimony Wednesday, attorneys from both sides straddled a foam dummy to demonstrate their respective versions of the fatal fight between Zimmerman and Martin. Each side claims the other instigated the hostilities.

Zimmerman said he phoned police when he saw Martin walking in a hooded sweatshirt in the gated community, which had seen a string of robberies.

He told police that he found Martin’s behavior suspicious, and followed the youth even though he had been instructed by authorities not to do so.

Martin had been visiting a family friend in the neighborhood and was coming back from a convenience store just before his altercation with Zimmerman.

The defense said he was guilty of racially profiling Martin, but Zimmerman has denied any racial motive in the killing, saying he shot Martin only because he feared his life was in danger.

The trial has centered in part on Florida’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law, which permits a shooter to use deadly force if he believes his life to be at risk.

  • ObozoMustGo

    This is just another show trial aimed at arousing the race issue and further deviding Americans. A common theme of the leftist freaks.

    Here’s a photo of the real Trayvon Martin, not the innocent little 12 year old in a hoodie.

    Have a nice day!

    “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.” – Barak Hussein Obozo commenting on an ongoing investigation like he always does, except when the investigation is into his own regime’s criminal actions.

    • Jim Myers

      I do not care what Trayvon Martin looked like. He is dead because he was wearing a hoodie.

      He was not doing anything wrong, did not stalk anyone, and if he was white, or hispanic, he would probably still be alive today.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Jimbo! Martin DID do something wrong. He did not like being followed by a community watch guy, attacked him, broke his nose, and was smashing GZ’s head into the concrete while saying he was going to kill him. GZ defended his life, which he has a 100% right to do. I don’t care what color either of their skin is. Nor did the police investigating find that he did anything wrong at the time. Only after the DOJ and Holder FINANCED the racial protests and stirred up the racial hatred in Sanford while putting political pressure on the town did they “manufacture” some way to bring charges. This trial is nothing but a show trial. That’s all it is. It certainly is NOT a pursuit of blind justice.

        Have a nice day!

        “Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.” ― Mark Twain, Pudd’nhead Wilson

        • Jim Myers

          Past history for both men should be considered before rushing to judgement.

          Did Treyvon Martin have have a history of violence?

          Did George Zimmerman have a history of violence?

          Did anyone actually see Martin attack Zimmerman?

          Did Martin stalk Zimmerman? If so, why?

          Did Zimmerman stalk Martin? If so, why?

          These are the real questions that need to be answered.

          • cdc555

            The only one with a documented history of violence
            is Zimmerman. Assault on a police officer and battery
            on his wife. He was also fired from a job as a bouncer
            for beating a customer. That doesn’t compare to
            A High School fight. You might bring up the jewelry
            in the backpack but police felt charges would be
            Unfounded and dropped the matter. No arrest was made.

        • Christopher Fowler

          So if someone suspicious, that you do not know is following you it’s YOUR fault that he gets confronted for following you? Perhaps you like people to follow you everywhere, in which case you have no problem with NSA spying either?

          Sorry, but if someone were following me, at night in the rain, I would certainly confront them if I could not shake them off. That does not make me a criminal, it makes me willing to stop a suspicious someone from following me.

          And as far as TM was concerned, he was defending his own life, which he lost, so your example disregards the equal right to protection by TM. It also ignores the fact that GZ was told to NOT follow TM, yet did so anyway, changing his statement to police at least 2 times. What reason would an innocent person have to do that?

          Police are told and trained to look for “furtive behavior” when assessing possible suspicious persons. Something that GZ had training to know, according to his defense team, so he ignored that training and did racial profiling instead.
          That was his 2nd mistake. His first one was in carrying a weapon that was “combat cocked” (fine for a police officer/military, but not so much a need for the neighborhood watch – remember they are called neighborhood WATCH, not neighborhood POLICE). His 3rd mistake was to follow TM after being told not to.

          I know, facts are terribly inconvenient things when trying to defend a vigilante.

          • whodatbob

            Confronting the person is one thing. But deciding to beat up the short fat guy is an assault. Until the assault TM did nothing wrong but he crossed the line when the decided to pommel George. At that point TM becomes the aggressor.

          • omgamike

            Why has no one looked at this case from the angle of a self-defense position on Trayvon’s side. What if Zimmerman attacked Trayvon and Trayvon just responded in kind? What if Zimmerman came up behind Trayvon, put his hand on Trayvon’s shoulder and spun him around, and Trayvon responded by swinging on Zimmerman? We will never know, as Trayvon is not here to give us his side of the story. We only have Zimmerman’s side of the story, saying that Trayvon attacked him. If I looked at the case from this point of (Zimmerman attacking Trayvon), adding in all of the other evidence, of Zimmerman’s lies, of his refusal to follow the instructions from to police, to not follow Trayvon, and to stay in his vehicle, then our positions would have to change radically. Zimmerman should be convicted on 2nd degree murder, or at the very least the manslaughter charge. There are going to be a whole lot of people pissed off if Zimmerman gets acquitted.

          • sigrid28

            And here we are, in the position none of us wanted to be. Zimmerman is acquitted by a jury of his “peers,” white people, two of whom own guns. It’s dispiriting and suggests the extent to which the justice system in Florida (maybe throughout our country) is skewed against African Americans, perhaps all minorities. The more people who are upset by this trial and its outcome, the better. Once again, the major problem of race relations within the U.S. has been writ large for all to see. I hope the recent actions by the Republican party that demonstrate without a doubt its embrace of racism will emerge as a huge factor in the 2014 elections and lead to the ability to enact legislation, at last, to bring about equal opportunity throughout our society.

          • Jon Savage

            didnt gz have his gun out – didnt tm have the right to beat the crap out of him as per the stand your ground law in fl?

          • Christopher Fowler

            Fact of the matter is that none of this would have happened if a “creepy white guy” had not been following Trayvon Martin in the first place.
            More importantly, as art of the neighborhood watch, officially or not, he should not have been trying to confront TM or even follow him beyond watching from a distance. The job of the neighborhood watch is, quite factually, to “observe and report”.
            The job of pursuit and confrontation is the job of the police, not some vigilante who was armed and seeking a confrontation. There is no other reasonable explanation for GZ to have his weapon “combat cocked”.

            In addition to that, even according to Zimmerman’s own testimony, M was not behaving in a “furtive” manner, which is the police’s definition of due cause to detain and question a person who is walking through a neighborhood. Zimmerman, quite honestly and factually, profiled TM based on his dress and race, which makes no sense as it was raining and a hoodie is as reasonable to wear in that sort of weather as anything else.

          • RobertCHastings

            Who committed the first offense, and who initiated the confrontation? To believe your scenario, you must see Trayvon Martin as a Rapala bass lure, just thrown out there by Fate, to entice George Zimmerman to pursue him. Zimmerman’s own failings caused his actions to go from simple surveillance to stalking to assault to murder. The incident was initiated when Zimmerman left his vehicle and stalked Trayvon Martin with the criminal intent to exact his own justice.

          • ObozoMustGo

            There is NO law that requires GZ or anyone else to stay in their truck. NONE! he is within his rights, and his perceived obligation as a community watchman. in a neighborhood with a history of burglaries to follow suspicious people. I’ll repost what I wrote in another blog so you can understand where I am coming from:

            That being said, the entire case is most likely a tragedy that has arisen out of a series of mistakes and took a wrong turn on both their parts. However, facts are as they are, the only witness to the event was a neighbor that corroborates GZ’s story about Martin being on top of him in a “ground and pound” position punching his face and slamming his head on the concrete. The injuries are consistent with this story as is GZ testimony. As such, when getting the snot beat of you, you have a God-given right to defend yourself from harm. That’s what GZ did. It is a tragedy. No doubt about it. Martin was someone’s son, someone’s brother, someone’s friend. The whole thing could have been avoided if BOTH men had some sensibilities and interest in befriending others before jumping to conclusions. But BOTH men may have jumped to conclusions. In the end, the guy getting beat up badly defended himself. There is nothing illegal about or against defending yourself in FL. As such, GZ should go free. There should never have been a trial. But as the leftist race hustlers operate, this is another chance to exploit a difficult situation for their own agendas, and frankly, another way for them to extort funds from some other group. And to make us fight amongst one another for their gain.

            Have a nice day!

            “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

          • Christopher Fowler

            So TM wasn’t defending himself from a stranger following him? It sounds like you have a very one-sided position on threat assessment.
            Fact of the matter is that GZ had his weapon loaded in such a way as to indicate that, at least at some level, he was looking for trouble so that he could play at being a cop (a career that he trained for, but for reasons the defense not so surprisingly avoided bringing up, could not get hired by ANY law enforcement agency), like every other vigilante out there that has no business owning a weapon.

            Consider those facts.

          • RobertCHastings

            A result of mistakes that resulted in the death of a minor. Zimmerman’s mandate as a member of the neighborhood watch was to observe and report. In addition to which he should not have been carrying a gun in the first place. Had Zimmerman gone out without his gun, the worst that would have happened would be that a grown man got the shit beaten out of him by a kid. A grown man, we should remember, who was a Marine veteran. He couldn’t handle a kid? Martin was 5’10” and weighed about 150, very skinny for someone that height. Even before putting on over a hundred pounds, Zimmerman was much bigger and much better trained than Trayvon.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… GZ had every right to carry a gun and had a concealed permit. Too bad for you! Too bad for Martin, as well, since he was beating the snot out of GZ before he got killed. Like I said in my other post, this is a tragedy, but not a crime. However the trial turns out, guilty or not guilty, it is what it is and the verdict will stand.

            Have a nice day!

            “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous
            know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

          • RobertCHastings

            “Observe and Report”. What part of that do you have a problem with? Apparently all of it. The simple fact is,had George Zimmerman NOT gotten out of his car to pursue Trayvon Martin, this would not have happened. As Zimmerman was NOT a duly sworn police officer, he had NO right to stalk Trayvon Martin. And that Zimmerman WAS IN FACT stalking Trayvon is indisputable, by the phone evidence AND by Zimmerman’s ignoring the 911 operator’s advice to NOT pursue. The more plausible use of the :Stand Your Ground” defense would have been if Trayvon Martin had actually killed Zimmerman.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… TM was pissed that GZ was following him and his conversation with that fat chick that testified confirms it. He went after GZ, popped him in the nose, knocking him down, and then jumped on top of him to beat his head into the concrete. That’s what happened. GZ ended up defending himself. Unfortunately, TM died. That’s all there is to it. And GZ has no more obligation under the law to stay in his car than you do. And in a neighborhood berift with crime and burglaries, GZ as a community watch guy has a right and obligation to follow potentially suspicious people. Now, leftist freaks like you seek to make ANY situation a race situation in an effort to capitalize on someone else’s tragedy for your own political ends, but that does not change the truth. A man was attacked and defended himself. The attacker was killed. It’s a sad end to a series unfortunate decisions on both their parts. We will see how the verdict comes out, and whatever it is, let it stand. I personally don’t really care about GZ or his freedom or not. I only care that justice will be served and those people on the jury are doing their best to be honest in their appraisal. I will be happy either way that this nonsense is over.

            Have a nice day!

            “Being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.” ― John Locke, Second Treatise of Government

          • RobertCHastings

            As your scenario is based entirely on speculation and George Zimmerman will certainly never contradict you, there is no real way to either prove or disprove what you CLAIM. The only clear and incontrovertible fact in this case is that Trayvon Martin is dead because of the actions and decisions of George Zimmerman.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… and what you so conveniently choose to ignore is that he is also dead because of his OWN actions. That is the point.

        • Russell Byrd

          In most any neighborhood in the country, some weirdo following a high school kid would be arrested for being a pervert.

          And you Twain quote is a poor choice. You would not know a good example if it bit you.

        • RobertCHastings

          The ME stated that Zimmerman’s facial injuries were consistent with one blow, superficial, not even requiring any stitches. The same with the injuries to the back of his head. The “one blow” theory immediately makes one think, not of a heated scuffle, but of Zimmerman’s bashing his own face and head into the pavement, a more likely scenario, especially since he felt it necessary to lie about virtually everything. Psychological understanding encourages one to look at Zimmerman’s appearance before the incident, and during the trial, a year and a half later. Zimmerman’s face does not look like it did last year, because he has put on about a hundred pounds. Such an attempt to alter his appearance strongly indicates a desire to distance himself from the person who shot Trayvon Martin, to, in effect, disguise himself, so the jury and the public would not see the same person as the one who was initially arrested.
          Your paranoid delusions of the DOJ sponsoring demonstrations certainly shine a new and sharp light on you. That has no basis in reality or fact, and your sources strongly indict you.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Sorry Hasty, but a FOIA request reveals that a unit of the DOJ called the Community Relations Service (CRS) spent $674.14 between March 25-27 related to having been “deployed to Sanford, FL, to work marches, demonstrations, and rallies related to the shooting and death of an African-American teen by a neighborhood watch captain.” CRS spent another $1,142.84 for the same purpose between March 25-28. CRS spent $892.55 “to provide support for protest deployment in Florida” between March 30-April 1, and $751.60 “to provide technical assistance to the City of Sanford, event organizers, and law enforcement agencies for the march and rally on March 31.”

            This is NOT arguable. It’s DOJ documents that prove what I say is true.

            Further, the testimony of the only eye witness to the event corroborates GZ’s assertion that TM was on top of him in a “ground and pound” mount and was reigning blows on his face and slamming his head into the concrete. Therefore, GZ shot him. It’s sad, but true.

            Have a nice day!

            “Deer aren’t capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, what am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the DemocRATS in Congress.” – Ted Nugent, comparing deer hunting to politics

          • RobertCHastings

            ANYTHING you profess is arguable.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… I suppose documents from the DOJ itself is not enough proof for you to debunk your mythological faith in Obozo and Eric The Incompetent. It’s hard to crack through that religious like committment to your messiah, isn’t it? Wake up from that trance you’re in Hasty.

            Have a nice weekend, my friend!

            “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)

          • RobertCHastings

            You are absolutely right that the CRS of the DOJ deployed people and resources to Sanford, Florida during last year’s protests. Apparently, like so many of your compatriots who want to see conspiracy in everything, you either believe or have been led to believe there was some nefarious intention. The CRS was formed during the mid-60’s as part of the Civil Rights Act to provide expertise in de-escalating civil tensions, especially in incidents in which the appearance of racist motivation exists. I guess you just failed to recognize that the CSR sent resources to BOTH sides of the issue in Sanford, Florida. What you say is anything BUT true, and I thank you for giving me the direction to find that for myself. If anyone else is interested, simply go to the website for the CRS or Google it, find out what their mission is, and make your own determination regarding the intent of the CRS in Sanford, Florida last year.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… no consipiracy thought need apply when the facts, at face value, and in light of prior history of the Obozo regime, point to a simple effort to escalate racial tensions where none need exist in the first place. The regime that turns a blind eye to blatant voter intimidation by the NBP in Philly… wire taps journalists to intimidate them…. runs illegal guns to drug cartels in Mexico… lies about Benghazi…. illegally supplies arms to terrorists in Syria long BEFORE any public statements that they “may” do so….. uses the power of the IRS to target and harrass political opponents in effort to suppress opposition organizing and voting… Conspiracy???? Are you kidding?

            This regime is as corrupt as a any prior, probably WAAAAYYYY more corrupt than any other. And in this case, stirring up racial hatred and dividing Americans falls right line with every tactic of the left there is. The Obozo regime is just another leftist freak cabal hell bent on seeing everything, and endlessly breaking Americans down into groups and classes, according to the Holy Trinity of the left: Race, Class, and Gender. Anything, any incident, including the unfortunate GZ-TM situation, is fair game for political agenda of the left. If they actually, really gave a damn about teenage blacks being killed, they’d be marching in the streets of America’s decrept cities where hundreds of them are killed every week, many by those of their own skin color. But they don’t do that. They’re much more interested in fomenting racial disharmony than they are in the death of any one kid. TM is just another tool for them to try to exploit.

            Have a nice day, Hasty!

            “Societies biggest failure is it has allowed authority to be its truth; and prevented truth from being its authority.” — Mobius
            Nemesis

      • whodatbob

        You stated the lift wing zealots BS well!

        • Jim Myers

          THANK YOU!!

          I don’t get many compliments from the Right Wingers on this site.

          (Even though you probably did not mean it as a compliment, I still accept it that way!)

        • Russell Byrd

          Well, now we know that your comments are biased and bigoted. Thanks for the info.

    • tobyspeeks

      You are the only one here who’s trying to keep the races divided. You’re a hateful, spiteful, racist. You prove it with every post you make. Keep up your good white fight, ASSHOLE!!! And if anyone didn’t notice, the racist, asshole posted a picture of someone, but not Martin.

      • ObozoMustGo

        You need to get that chip off your shoulder Toby. Life is much better when you don’t see racism in everything around you once you realize that it’s just not there like you think it is. And, while certainly there are still racists in this world, we will NEVER get rid of them all. And by the way, America is the LEAST racist country on the face of the earth.

        Have a nice day, and work on removing that chip.

        “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” – Martin Luther King

        • RobertCHastings

          It is easy to find racism in everything you day on this forum. The mere fact of quoting MLK does not absolve you of racism. Even Hitler quoted Christ.

          • Christopher Fowler

            Robert, in “Obozo’s” defense, Hitler also claimed that the NAZIS party was a Christian movement…….quite common behavior of extremist religious nuts. But it is clear that “Obozo” is a right winger and facts and reality are verbotten to them…..it’s part of their cult; twist facts and misuse quotes to deceive.

          • tobyspeeks

            “Citizens United” is one of their better twists of words.

          • Christopher Fowler

            Well, that is a whole other issue that we need to start arresting politicians and certain members of SCOTUS over.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… do you have a chip on your shoulder, also? I am starting to think so. How disappointing.

          • RobertCHastings

            No chip, just the uneasy feeling that you are playing us. Your arguments all ring hollow and your sources are so obviously biased as to negate any sense of fairness or balance. And yet you have the audacity to feel that you are not appreciated on this forum. Personally, I enjoy the challenge of exploring issues with someone who disagrees with me, in the hope that BOTH might find a clearer understanding. I do not see this as your motivation.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… actually, I come on this site specifically BECAUSE I want to find others that do not see things the way I do. Though I do some posting on other sites like Wash Times or Black Sphere, the vast majority of it is here on The Memo. I’d much rather be in the battle than to be in a comfy environment where everyone already agrees with me. There’s no new information to be gained by hearing what I already know to be true. It’s just repetition. And yes, I do learn on here in conversations with you and a couple of ofthers. I think I’ve said that to you before in other good discussions we have had. For example, prior to having these discussions on GZ-TM, my first inclination is to assume that GZ was under no fault here. Now I think he could have handled it much better. No doubt. However, I have come to understand that the other perspective of TM having no fault was also not really correct. In fact, if there was any racism involved, it was probably on TM’s part. But I don’t care if he hated white people or not. While it may have some involvement in his personal decisions, the reality is that BOTH men should have behaved more civilized toward one another. And in the end, the lesson for all of us is certainly that we could be more civil with one another in our daily lives instead of presuming ill will on the part of the other without really respecting the possibility that the other guy may have good will, also.

            I hope this explains some more for you, Hasty. Thank you for the discussion. I find myself liking you more and more.

            Have a nice Sunday afternoon, Hasty!

            “Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.” ― Mark Twain

        • tobyspeeks

          This is only one of the many, many times you’ve posted blatant lies here. If you weren’t a racist and a hater you wouldn’t do what you do. I have a chip on my shoulder for ASSHOLES like you. If you could have a legitimate conversation without inserting your own made up bullshit and pictures that you know are false, then the chip would co,e off. But both you and I know that will never happen because you and your ilk have no use for facts and truth. Have a shitty day, southern white redneck gent!!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Calling you out for the chip on your shoulder pisses you off, eh? hehehehehehehehehehehehe………. it should piss you off. Everything does in your effed up and nutty world! You’re the typical leftist freak who views everything in this world as oppressive to you and your ilk.

            Have a nice day, racist!

            “I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others.” – Abraham Lincoln

    • Christopher Fowler

      You do realize that the picture you posted here is NOT Trayvon Martin but some rapper, who’s name escapes me (since I don’t listen to rap crap). That picture, claiming to be TM, has been debunked. And while young Mr. Martin was not the youngster that some papers have shown him (by using a picture from his very early teens), he is also not the guy that all of you pro-vigilante people have been circulating.

      I get it that evidence isn’t really important, nor, it seems are actual facts, to people like you, but facts and evidence are what juries acquit or convict on, whether you like it or not. If you don’t like it, then perhaps you should hope that you never have to be on trial for anything, not even a civil case.

      • ObozoMustGo

        CF… it’s in his photo file online. I have not seen anyone dispute it yet until you just did. You may be right. You may be wrong. I’ll allow for that.

        • RobertCHastings

          Anyone who has the ability to differentiate faces can tell that the picture you have posted as being Trayvon Martin is, in truth, NOT Trayvon Martin. If you cannot tell the difference, then you definitely have problems identifying people. Unless Martin had tattoos put on post-mortem, the tattoos alone would prove your assertion ridiculous. However, that being said, there are many identifiable facial dissimilarities between Martin and your picture that pretty much any person off the street could point out.

        • Christopher Fowler

          Try Snopes.com. It’s been debunked there and it has been all over facebook. PLUS, if you had been watching the trial, the picture of him both at autopsy and one that was taken just a few weeks before show a very different person from the one that you claim was on his personal profile.

          And WHO claims that it’s his picture from his personal profile? It wouldn’t be the first time that someone posted pictures of other people on their profile. Kids do that with their favorite performers, actors, sports heroes, etc., so, nice try but what you claim is still a lie, but then, with a pseudonym such as yours, I can already tell that, like all right wingers, truth and facts don’t matter to you where a good fiction will do, if it means winning an argument.

          But feel free to fact-check it yourself. I have, mostly because I was curious and wanted to get past the propaganda and get to the actual facts.

        • Barry Roope

          That picture is definetely not Trayvon Martin, His name is Game or else he released an album called Game, he is a rapper who has a feud with 50 cent.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Thank you for the clarification, Barry. I stand corrected. Not sure why it’s in his photo file.
            Have a nice day!

      • Barry Roope

        I think the rappers name is “Game”

        • Christopher Fowler

          Well, I only saw it listed once and It was only a single word name, so that could be it.

    • Lovefacts

      This is not a picture of Trayvon Martin but a rapper. As for Zimmerman’s injuries, they didn’t even warrant a butterfly bandage. If anyone is keeping the hate and division going between the races, it’s people spewing your type of rhetoric.

      If you’d step back and take a look at what happened and acknowledged that if Zimmerman had stayed in his car as the 911 operator requested, none of this would have happened.

      Furthermore, Zimmerman hasn’t said the same story twice, not even with Hannity. FYI, when you tell the truth, your story never changes, maybe a few vocabulary words will shift, but not the retelling of what happened .

      • ObozoMustGo

        There is no law requiring GZ or anyone to stay in their car. He is entitled to follow people he does not know in his neighborhood… especially when he’s a community watch guy in a neighborhood with a track record of crime and burglaries.

        That being said, the entire case is most likely a tragedy that has arisen out of a series of mistakes and took a wrong turn on both their parts. However, facts are as they are, the only witness to the event was a neighbor that corroborates GZ’s story about Martin being on top of him in a “ground and pound” position punching his face and slamming his head on the concrete. The injuries are consistent with this story as is GZ testimony. As such, when getting the snot beat of you, you have a God-given right to defend yourself from harm. That’s what GZ did. It is a tragedy. No doubt about it. Martin was someone’s son, someone’s brother, someone’s friend. The whole thing could have been avoided if BOTH men had some sensibilities and interest in befriending others before jumping to conclusions. But BOTH men may have jumped to conclusions. In the end, the guy getting beat up badly defended himself. There is nothing illegal about or against defending yourself in FL. As such, GZ should go free. There should never have been a trial. But as the leftist race hustlers operate, this is another chance to exploit a difficult situation for their own agendas, and frankly, another way for them to extort funds from some other group.

        Have a nice day!

        “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

        • Jon Savage

          neighborhood WATCH not cop – wanna be cop here

        • Lovefacts

          I really don’t give a rat’s patootie that Zimmerman had to the right to stay or leave his car. Once he reported his concerns, he had satisfied his duty re community watch.

          Furthermore, if Zimmerman was worried/feared for his safety, and the 911 operator suggested/told, but not ordered, him to stay within his cone-of-safety–the car–he shouldn’t have left the car prior to the arrival of the police.

          By leaving his car and tailing Trayvon, Zimmerman instigated the incident. In stalking Trayvon, Zimmerman illegally up-graded the fray. In using his weapon to kill the teenager during a fistfight, he used excessive force.

          Also, there isn’t a doubt in my mind that you would want life for Trayvon if the rolls had been reversed and Zimmerman had been to the one to die.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Actually, you are wrong. If TM was watching over a suspicious GZ walking through his neighborhood with his identity hidden or disguised under a hood, I would defend TM. Too many of you leftist freaks love the race card and seek to play it where ever you can.

            Have a nice day!

            “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the
            content of their character.” – Martin Luther King

          • Lovefacts

            While I disagree with you, I would never attack you through name-calling. However, the moment you called me a leftist freak, you lost the discussion/argument.

            As for someone wearing a hoody and GZ not recognizing him, that still doesn’t justify his actions. The only thing TM was guilty of was being black.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Actually…. the same could be said of TM and his racist prejudgements about GZ. Which by the way are confirmed by his girlfriend’s own testimony. You see, TM could just have easily walked up to GZ and said “hey man… my name is Trayvon Martin and I’m staying at my dad’s place down the street. Why are you following me? If you’re worried, don’t be. Maybe I can help you keep an eye out for burglars. Have a nice evening, George.” …. you see, nothing would have happened then we would not know either of them ever existed. BOTH were guilty of a lack of respect and it got out of hand with TM beating up GZ and then GZ defending himself by unfortunately shooting TM while getting his head slammed into the concrete. That’s the whole unfortunate thing. If anyone was racist, it was TM but he assumed that the “kooky cracker” was just harrassing him.
            Have a nice day!

        • metrognome3830

          You call the president a weak-kneed punk. Then what the hell is George Zimmerman! This is an incident that never needed to happen. Zimmerman chose not to use the “Stand Your Ground” defense most likely because he was told that someone might question just who was standing their ground. You’re right, the state of Florida allows people to kill people if they feel their life is threatened. That shows the flaw in the Florida law. Zimmerman was, if we use your definition, less than a weak-kneed punk. He stuck a gun in his belt and suddenly he was superman. He was a cop wannabe who couldn’t make the cut. He was and still is a liar. He didn’t want to take the stand because the defense might catch him lying again. Getting the snot beat out of him? If the pictures show the truth, I would not call that getting the snot beaten out of him. It’s been many years since I’ve been in a fight, but I know that I have come out of a fight the winner with worse injuries than Zimmerman had. Actually, I don’t think this idiot should be convicted of 2nd degree murder. I think he most likely fired the gun accidentally when he pulled it to try and scare Martin off. He’s probably lucky he didn’t shoot himself. But he definitely should have been tried and he should be convicted of manslaughter. Of course, in Florida, progressive state that they are, manslaughter can get you up to 30 years. This whole sorry, unfortunate and unnecessary situation was put in motion by George Zimmerman who chose to play cop instead of just doing his civic duty and reporting his suspicions to the police and moving on. As he was advised to do. The real tragedy is that his suspicions were wrong and a 17-year-old kid, who may not have been your perfect Ozzie & Harriet son, is dead and he didn’t have to be.
          And once again, you disappoint me by posting that picture and identifying it as Trayvon Martin.
          Have a great day, OMG!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hey Metro! As stated in my other posts on this topic, it certainly was a tragedy that happened because of an unfortunate string of errors committed by BOTH of them. If instead, both were civil and engaged in a brief conversation with good intentions, none of us would ever know of the 2 of them. Instead, GZ was playing community watchman and TM did not like it. That’s why TM attacked GZ and got shot. While I agree that it most likely was an accident, I don’t find the fact that the accident changes anything. GZ has a right to defend himself, even if he provoked the kid by following him. Following a stranger in the neighborhood is NOT a crime. It’s a horrible tragedy. But hardly worth the coverage it’s getting. It’s only getting this much attention because the race hustlers are involved and the media loves race hustlers. Why is there not so much attention given to the 73 murders that happened in Chicago last weekend? Where is Al not so Sharpton and his paid protest groups making public demonstrations against that? Why doesn’t he show up there? You and I both know why, Metro. There’s no money in it. There is money to be extorted in a trumped up case like GZ-TM. And by the way, I got the pic in a TM photo file online. I’ve stipulated that it may not be his after having it pointed out that it may not be. I’m not beyond being corrected. Aside from that, I also said that I don’t care what the verdict is. It will be done by those who sat and listened and have more access to facts than anyone on this site. Therefore, whatever they decide, I am fine with their verdict, guilty or not guilty.

            Have a great weekend, Metro! Send my regards to Mrs. Metro.

            Have a nice day, Metro!

            “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

          • metrognome3830

            Zimmerman won acquittal, so as are you, I have nothing further to add. I will say, however, that I think the prosecution probably overreached in trying for 2nd degree murder and it may well have backfired on them when they had to come back and ask the judge to allow the jury to consider manslaughter. It should be dropped now. However, I now understand the Justice Dept. is looking into the case. There’s no rest for the wicked. I think there should be a new law written regarding criminal stupidity. But, it’s too late to use it against Zimmerman, so no need to rush.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hey Metro! How are you doing, and how’s Mrs. Metro’s new hip doing for her? I wish her well.

            I’m just glad the whole damned TM-GZ thing is over. Sick and tired of some 2-bit sheet show dominating news here in America. And if there was a law against stupidity, there’d be 60 Million plus Americans that voted for Obozo in jail…. just sayin

            Have a nice day, my friend!

            “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ― Mark Twain

          • metrognome3830

            Hey, OMG! I’m doing great! Mrs. Metro is absolutely sure that she is crippled for life (it’s been two whole weeks now). But she is moving ahead. She is off now for her third physical therapy session. A friend took her today to give me a break.
            I’m in complete agreement with you about being glad the whole TM-GZ thing being over. But, I don’t believe everyone who voted for Obama would come under the stupidity law. Some of us voted for him because there was no viable competition. I mean, c’mon, lot’s of people voted for Romney, too. If we sent all Obama and Romney voters to jail the next election would be interesting with 99% of the population in jail.
            “Those who respect the law and like sausage should never watch either being made.” — Mark Twain

    • Russell Byrd

      But Obama is not going anywhere. Ha, Ha! Put your “manhood” in your mouth and squeeze . . . it will all be over and no one will have to read your racist crap again.

    • progressiveandproud

      How can you post a false picture of Trayvon and still sleep at night? Try being truthful with your argument, at least then you might garner some bit of respect.

    • american white boy

      is this a real pitcher of the :: boy }} that zimmerman killed he is a gang member and it;s ritten all over him

      • ObozoMustGo

        AWB… actually, it is NOT a picture of Trayvon. I found it in a photo file of Trayvon Martin online, but others have confirmed that it is some rapper named ‘Game’. I took the correction and clarified. I also updated my post, but I cannot edit or remove the picture.

        That being said, though the picture is wrong, the point of the post was that the media photo of a 12 year old child in a hoodie was NOT representative of what Trayvon was like at the time of his death. And I stand by my assertion that the media intentionally worked to mislead Americans and incite racial hatred by giving a false impression that an innocent little 12 year old boy was killed by a vigilante monster for no reason at all. That narrative clearly was false as we now know with the verdict released last night.

        Have a nice day!

  • ObozoMustGo

    Oh… one more thing…..

    • cdc555

      Doc said injuries were superficial. Not one stitch.

      • whodatbob

        The law says “if you fear for your life” you are allow whatever force including capital force to stop the attack. So, the extent of injuries or even no injuries are needed to prove fear for your life.
        I am not saying George’s actions were correct. I am saying the State needs to prove George was not in fear for his life.

        • Russell Byrd

          Zimboy instigated the entire incident. If he had walked on there would be no trial today. If he had done what he was told, he would not now be on trial. If he had not precipitated the altercation, he would not be spending time in jail.

          The law was created by well heeled right-wing criminals to protect themselves from poor criminals, by taking the pursuit of LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness from everybody, whenever they pleased.

          You are just a smug crypto-racist that would be ecstatic if Georgy-Porgy walks free.

        • rothgar

          Zimmerman showed he wasn’t in fear (he was armed after all) when he disregarded the 911 operator’s instruction and pursued the mysterious person. His actions after that point can never constitute self-defense.
          I am guessing he gets off on the murder charges and get tried and convicted for a hate crime. Shame

    • Christopher Fowler

      So the injuries from a pummeling are equal to the injuries created by being shot? I guess you’ve never been shot or shot at. I’ll take the pummeling over being shot.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Perhaps the shot was fired becaust the victim felt as though his life was threatened. They were not playing rock, paper, scissors… they were fighting and GZ was having his head slammed into the concrete. The testimony of the only eye witness corroborates this fact.

        Have a nice day!

        “Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.” ― Mark Twain

        • Christopher Fowler

          So it was unreasonable for a young man to be frightened into taking action because some suspicious man was following him? The excuse was given that he could have made it home, but the fact of the matter is that if someone is following me, and they are clearly NOT police, I would not want them following me home.
          I don’t know what they are up to or who they are. For all I know in those circumstances is that they could be a burglar, or worse, a serial killer.
          Would you want them to follow you home in those circumstances?

          Think about it. Under the circumstances TM was the one standing his ground, not GZ.

        • RobertCHastings

          Once again, the comparison/contrast in the physical size and fitness of the two antagonists clearly demonstrate that Zimmerman had no legitimate reason to be in fear of his life. Zimmerman was bigger, more fit, and much better trained than Martin. Looks like all through this forum you have been getting your facts then distorting them as you see fit.

    • Russell Byrd

      If the IDIOT had split, no one would need to acquit!

      He confronted a kid in a threatening manner. That is why “the head” is split.

      He racially profiled a black teenager. That is why “the head” is split.

      He was told not to pursue. That is why “the head” is split.

      You can spin and lie some more, but you cannot refute any of that. At least we know your family is Irish. (Much to my ancestor’s shame.) You belong to the O’Bozo clan. So, split. . .

    • RobertCHastings

      That is SOOOOO weak. And to INTENTIONALLY refer to a case in which the defendant got off while everyone in the country knew he was guilty is just plain stupid. You just shot yourself in the foot.

  • constancespinney

    If you don’t live in Florida you have no idea of the hypocrisy here. Some black people from Haiti were in our clubhouse restaurant recently and I saw the reaction of a couple people – “What are they doiing here?” These visitors were speaking French. I guess that’s a crime too. The one thing I do know is I do NOT want this killer Zimmerboy to be in my neighborhood. He thinks he’s God. He thinks he knows everything. Do NOT send or allow your kid to go to a store to buy candy and a drink while you are paying a visit. He may very well be killed. If YOU are attacked would you NOT defend yourself. And get over it folks, Zimmerman had very little “damage” to his swelled head.

    • RobertCHastings

      The damage to Zimmerman’s head and face could very easily have been self-inflicted, something the ME should have examined. The ME at one time stated that the injuries to Zimmerman’s face were consistent with a single blow (such as smashing his own face into the concrete?).

      • sigrid28

        This AFP (Americans for Prosperity?)

        “But during closing arguments in the racially charged trial Thursday, Judge Debra Nelson said the jury could convict Zimmerman, 29, of manslaughter, if they are unconvinced that the evidence proves he is guilty of the murder.”

        • RobertCHastings

          While this acquittal relieves Zimmerman of being tried again should new evidence appear, can he be arrested and tried for lesser crimes, such as assault on a minor, something that was brought up just a few days ago? I am so glad to see that people are starting to realize how complicit ALEC is in the rise of gun violence in this country, and how many conservative legislators in DC and the various states are relying on ALEC to feed them ready-written legislation they can insert in any bill they think will not receive that much examination.

          • sigrid28

            As I understand it, Zimmerman cannot be tried for the same crime twice (called double jeopardy), but the Martin family can sue for damages in civil court. Zimmerman could be forced to testify in that trial, unless he settles with them for (I hope) a huge amount of damages. His testimony may turn up grounds for further investigations and trials on other charges. The Department of Justice is conducting an investigation into whether Zimmerman committed a hate crime in profiling Trayvon Martin. This could be tried because the judge ruled in the criminal case that race could not be discussed–only criminal profiling. The good news is that that leaves the race question open to be tried in federal court, where Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin would be tried as a hate crime. All of these following charges and trials will be useful, as you suggest, in keeping before the public the bane upon the existence of law abiding citizens ALEC’s “Stand Your Ground” law represents in every state where it has been enacted.

          • RobertCHastings

            Thanks to ALEC. all 50 states now permit citizens to carry concealed weapons, many in public places like parks. I can’t wait for the inevitable spate of shootings at kid’s soccer matches. In 2010, NC repealed their law prohibiting concealed carry in public places like parks and malls, etc. Last month, the city council in my town voted in favor of concealed carry in our parks, because two council members who would have opposed the measure were not in attendance. Thanks to ALEC, two serious things have happened within two federal agencies over the past dozen years. Both the CDC and the ATF have been prohibited from disclosing information they have collected regarding gun violence. The CDC was compiling information regarding public health issues concerning guns. The ATF has been prohibited from sharing with local and state law enforcement information regarding guns. When conservatives can stifle the dissemination of information that we all need in order to make informed decisions, something is seriously wrong with the way our government is NOT working.

          • sigrid28

            I believe congress at the behest of the NRA endorsed federal legislation that stifled research by the CDC and ATF, bills that act in consort with ALEC gun legislation within states and localities that help make it a free for all for gun owners without any limitations. I’ll say this for government: at least the trial brought these issues to the attention of the entire nation. I join you in your valid concern.

          • RobertCHastings

            While I cannot attest to its validity, I am comfortable in my belief that “The Last Gun” by Tom Diaz adequately addresses these issues. He has extensive notes and bibliography that give sources.

          • sigrid28

            Thanks Robert.

  • chino49p

    Obozo
    Thanks for showing who the real freak is. Even you know that that is not a picture of Martin, and if Obama was guilty of any crimes even a freak like you should know that the koch bros. and other right wings zealots with all thier billions of dollars would have already found it out and he would have been impeached and prosecuted long ago.
    You right wings nut jobs are really perverted. Obama said that he wanted the TRUTH to be found out about the case with zim & Martin. What a horrible thing to want to know the truth about what happened and it was only an “ongoing” investigation because the family reached out to Sharpton & others to get involved to cry out for that “investigation”.
    There is absolutely no “evidence” that Martin ever attacked zim or threatened to kill him. The only one the “actual” evidence shows was the agressor, is zim.
    zim was the one on mood altering drugs not Martin. zim was the one with an actual history of violence & anger management problems. Etc, Etc, Etc. You guys are real perverts!

    • whodatbob

      You are nuts!

      • chino49p

        You apparently can’t read. Everything I said is established fact.

  • FT66

    This case is not about white vs. black. It is about the right. I get sick in my stomach watching the whole court case. We do not need to live this way. This young lad was entitled to be protected by the same Zimmerman (who volunteered) and hence claimed his life. They were both living in the same community. It is really painful to lose a child this way, regardless what the color of skin one has. We need to love each other and live peacefully.

  • Allan Richardson

    If that picture had been the real Trayvon Martin, wouldn’t the OTHER pictures of him show the SAME tattoos? Apparently, he had a picture of a rapper whose performances he enjoys saved on his phone. Do any conservatives have a picture of a country singer on their phones? Most likely some do; but that does not mean that they ARE that country singer.

    Obozo may possibly be defending Zimmerman because he wants to go back to the days when any George Zimmerman could shoot any Trayvon Martin for “fun” and not even have to go to court. I remember the slang term “coon hunting” and I know it does not refer to small masked mammals in the forest.

  • RobertCHastings

    I was glad to hear the prosecutor reiterate the one salient point in the whole trial, that if George Zimmerman had not gotten out of his car, Trayvon Martin would still be alive. The process of decision making Zimmerman went through doomed Trayvon Martin the moment Zimmerman left his car and began his stalking of the teenager. Another point the prosecutor made was that Trayvon was still a juvenile when he was killed, and an additional charge COULD have been assault on a minor, with aggravating circumstances.

  • hilandar1000

    Rule number one in Neighborhood Watch program is “Do not follow or try to apprehend a person who is acting suspiciously”. It is emphasized and repeated often during the training sessions. Zimmerman was reminded of that rule by the 911 operator, yet he chose to disobey it. Trayvon, on the other hand behaved as he obviously had been told to do by any caring parents, which is also the advice given by law enforcement officers — “if a stranger follows you or approaches you, scream and fight for your life”. By not following the number one rule of the Neighborhood Watch program, George Zimmerman caused the death of an innocent young person. There can be no other finding than “Guilty” for George Zimmerman.

  • ridemybroom

    well I guess you got it wrong didn’t you ? Not Guilty at all !!