By Jason Sattler

Obamacare Premiums Better Than Expected — But GOP Sabotage Is Worse

September 5, 2013 1:27 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 223 Comments A+ / A-
Obamacare Premiums Better Than Expected — But GOP Sabotage Is Worse

Premiums for insurance plans offered in the Affordable Care Act exchanges will be lower than expected, according to a new Kaiser Family Foundation study of the 17 states — and the District of Columbia — that have published their rates.

“For example, we estimate that the latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office imply that the premium for a 40-year-old in the second lowest cost silver plan would average $320 per month nationally,” the report states. “Fifteen of the eighteen rating areas we examined have premiums below this level, suggesting that the cost of coverage for consumers and the federal budgetary cost for tax credits will be lower than anticipated.”

A typical 25-year-old earning $25,000 or less can expect to pay under $100 a month in premiums once the tax credits allotted to those earning 400 percent of the poverty level are factored in. South Dakota reported the highest after-subsidy monthly premium for a 25-year-old at $126; Vermont was the lowest at $0 a month.

Young people who earn more than 250 percent of the poverty level may see higher rates in the exchanges than they currently pay. But the plans offered in 2014 cannot really be compared to plans offered in the past, as no one can be rejected or charged more for pre-existing conditions. In addition, insurers will have to meet new standards, including having to spend 80-85 percent of the premiums charged on actual care.

This is excellent news for Obamacare supporters, who know that key to health care reform’s success is getting young people to sign up for the exchanges. Also reassuring to supporters is a new poll conducted by The Morning Consult that finds that young people not only are more likely to approve of the law, they’re more likely to sign up for coverage through the marketplaces.

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  • elw

    By this time next year the whole dialog is going to change because there will enough people excited by just having health care coverage and by the number of people who will end up saving money and yet get better coverage through the exchanges. Oh, the Right will still be telling their made-up stories, but it will scare less people and get less reaction. The ACA is here to stay and the Crazy Right is just going to have to deal with it.

    • exdemo55

      Harvard (and later Columbia) sociologist Robert K. Merton wrote in 1936 about the “unanticipated consequences of purposive social action.” Pity that Barack Obama, an alumnus of both universities, either never read or took to heart Merton’s warnings. It would have saved Americans a lot of misery.

      The president certainly did not promote the Affordable Care Act by promising it would mean more part-time and fewer full-time jobs. Yet that is one of its unanticipated consequences.

      A major provision of ObamaCare requires companies to provide health insurance to any employee who works more than 30 hours a week or pay a $2,000 per-person fine. Not surprisingly, the number of hourly employees working 30-34 hours a week dropped by an average of 146,500 a month over the past year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The number working 25-29 hours rose by 119,000 a month.

      Consider individual workers such as single working mothers who need at least 35 hours waiting tables plus tips to make ends meet. If they are cut to under 30 hours, they will have to look for second jobs. If these moms can find a second job, they’ll still have to juggle schedules, child care and transportation. Overall, even if 1% of the workforce is thus affected by this squeeze, that’s nearly 1.4 million Americans.

      Then there are younger workers, many of whom will start their careers by stringing together several part-time jobs, perhaps for years. Their predicament may delay when they start families, buy homes, pay off student loans and become independent.

      The president’s health law also unintentionally operates to prevent the smallest companies from growing. Owners have a strong incentive to stay below the law’s 50-employee threshold at which they are required to provide health insurance.

      Here the U.S. is following in the footsteps of France and other countries with sclerotic economies. Earlier this year, the National Bureau of Economic Research published a study of the French regulatory burden on businesses with more than 50 employees.

      The authors found that “firms will optimally choose to remain small to avoid the regulation, so the size distribution becomes distorted with ‘too many’ firms just below the size threshold and ‘too few’ firms just above it.” The report also noted that “some of those firms just below the cutoff” have, thanks to the regulation, “been prevented from growing to their optimal size.”

      ObamaCare will have other consequences. Today, employers with so-called self-funded health plans act as their own insurer, collecting premiums and paying claims filed by employees. In 1999, 44% of workers receiving employer-provided health coverage were in such plans, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation’s Employer Health Benefits Survey. Today, 61% are.

      More companies have an incentive to choose self-funding because the 1974 Employee Retirement Income Security Act (Erisa) governs self-funded plans, not the Affordable Care Act. Erisa allows self-funded plans to charge premiums based on risk (unlike under ObamaCare), allows these plans to offer a wider menu of options, and lets them avoid such expensive provisions as ObamaCare’s new tax on insurance policies.

      The success of self-funded plans in restraining premium increases and managing costs concerns ObamaCare supporters. Some are trying to make this kind of employer coverage less attractive by undermining stop-loss insurance. This is the reimbursement contract a self-funded plan makes with a reinsurer that helps manage risk by paying large claims above a per-employee deductible.

      The California legislature, for example, wants to make self-funded plans less appealing by establishing a $40,000 minimum deductible. Minnesota and Rhode Island are considering bills to require a $60,000 deductible. None of the states has a minimum deductible today.

      Delaware, New York and Oregon already ban self-insurance by small- or midsize companies. Administrators of self-funded plans also worry that new Labor Secretary Thomas E. Perez will ignore Erisa and issue regulations that erode the attractiveness of self-funded plans and push more companies’ health policies into ObamaCare’s morass.

      The Affordable Care Act has yet to take full effect, but it is already beginning to exact a toll on workers and businesses. On top of all this, the Congressional Budget Office estimated in May that the number of uninsured Americans won’t fall below 30 million in the next decade. So much for ObamaCare’s promise of “universal” coverage.

      • darkagesbegin

        oh, gee, nothing can be done. Why don’t we just follow China’s example and enslave the population?

        • RobertCHastings

          Damn, that is a fine example of hyperbole!

          • darkagesbegin

            thanks

        • exdemo55

          Obamacare is what’s trying to enslave the people

          • darkagesbegin

            more republican newspeak: slavery is freedom, and freedom slavery…

      • PermDude

        You seem be believe something Merton didn’t say, which is that this particular “social action” has bad consequences that should have kept Obama from making them.

        Truth is, most people already get their health care through their work, and Obamacare really doesn’t change that. What it does is rein in the worst of what insurance companies were doing to consumers, make it affordable for almost everyone, and allow small businesses (who were struggling to provide insurance) to be able to do so.

      • AMADAL

        You are obviously a misinformed propaganda spewing Repukelicant.

      • RobertCHastings

        And either you or the right to whose opinions you apparently subscribe made the connection between the ACA and a reduction in full-time jobs. Never mind the fact that such a trend began long BEFORE the ACA was enacted. For at least a decade business and industry have been putting their employees on a part-time basis so they don’t qualify for benefits. If anything, the reduction in premium costs due to the implementation of the ACA may very well REVERSE that trend, encouraging employers to put more people on a full-time basis, WITH benefits.

        • Mark Forsyth

          Actually the scenario that you accurately describe began in the late eighties when corporate America broke faith with the worker.Along with the misbegotten trickle down economic theory that began a mere few years earlier,the only thing that has been coming down is America’s standard of living.
          I say do away with tax payer provided health benefits for Capitol Hill personell and let the bastards scream to be let on the ACA after they find out just how unaffordable regular health insurance is.

          • jackoooo

            “Corporate America broke faith”. That’s funny. You are very naive.
            Corporate America NEVER had any faith with the working man and women.
            Where can you show me any examples in any QUANTITY where Corporate America gave the workers anything they did not have to?

        • neeceoooo

          Exactly, look at Walmart, they have been doing this for years.
          Walmart employees represent the largest group of Medicaid and food stamp recipients in many states, costing the taxpayer $1,000 per worker.

          • jackoooo

            I wonder how much illegals cost the American taxpayer?

          • RobertCHastings

            Oh, that was a sharp response. Divert and obfuscate. Pardon me, but I don’t think your response actually responded to neeceoooo’s post.

          • Macynra

            I’ll bet it is a pittance compared to the lost tax revenue in states like Texas and Florida who are notorius for hiring masses of illegals rather than documented workers. This is especially true in the building trades, a segment that once was a step up into the middleclass but not any longer.

          • old_blu

            According to the census bureau, and checked by PolitiFact:

            “less than 1 percent of illegal-immigrant-headed households included anyone receiving direct government cash assistance, such as Temporary Aid for Needy Families (TANF), Supplemental Security Income (SSI) or state-run cash aid”. This is not surprising: Illegal immigrants are generally barred from receiving such payments.

            They also pay into Social Security, more than they will ever collect, and pay state/local/federal taxes, taken out of their paychecks. This data is easily located via Google, for anyone who actually care about FACTS.

          • RobertCHastings

            Thank you for making a very positive addition to this discussion. Unfortunately, many who already have their minds made up will find some far right source to refute what you say, regardless of its totally reasonable premises.

          • Macynra

            And let’s not forget about McDonald’s and their recent tutorial on money management. I would guess that there are plenty of their employees taking that route rather than landing that second job to make ends meet as advised by VISA

        • jackoooo

          Go onto financial programs on the tv. The CEO’s of different companies are cutting jobs and they tell you why.

          “Let me tell you why [the low wage] jobs are increasing like crazy right
          now,” he said. “The new Affordable Health Care Act is causing
          restaurants and small businesses to limit the number of hours their employees are working.”

          Continuing, he said, “I saw a memo…from a company that’s got about a thousand restaurants [and they] just told all their people to not schedule anybody over 25 hours a week. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy.”

          Heyes
          tried to refute Rensi’s claim, dismissing it as “anecdotal evidence,”
          but the fact is, companies have been moving to limit workers to part
          time hours practically since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld much of the
          law.

          Even local governments are cutting workers’ hours because of Obamacare.

          “Many
          cash-strapped cities and counties facing the prospect of shelling out
          hundreds of thousands of dollars in new health-care costs under the
          Affordable Care Act are opting instead to reduce the number of hours
          their part-time employees

          Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041847_McDonalds_Obamacare_work_hours.html#ixzz2e8XYe7Cc

          • RobertCHastings

            The international company for which I worked until they laid me off five years ago had begun laying folks off and then hiring them back as temps by 2005, three years before Obama was elected, four years before he took office, and about six years before ACA. Switching full-time with benefits to part-time with NO benefits, however, is just another way to suck more out of the productivity of individual workers. American workers are the MOST productive in the world, but not the best paid. That is one big reason that some of the jobs lost in the 90s and the first decade of the new century are returning – American wages are once again competitive, albeit lower than they were in terms of buying power prior to the Reagan administration.

          • darkagesbegin

            “I can’t hire full time or pay more because gas prices are up, or down.” I can’t hire full time or pay more because taxes are too high–or too low.” I can’t hire full time or pay more because blah, blah, blah. We have had trickle down, hand the rich and the corporations whatever they want and to hell with the taxpayer economics for 30 years and I am still waiting for it to benefit the real americans–ones who cant afford to buy their own politicians and stash their wealth offshore.

        • jackoooo

          It has accelerated because of BO care.

          • RobertCHastings

            O, really? And you got that from where? Regardless of your source, NO ONE has made a direct correlation such as the one you imply, at least nothing that will stand up to scrutiny.

      • elw

        A great big yawn to you. What a bunch of spin and BS.

        • jackoooo

          elw
          Gotta learn to read the new. This was published months ago.

          • elw

            And disproven over and over again, it is just Republican spin nothing more.

          • jackoooo

            Go to my latest post above.

        • exdemo55

          Every word is the truth. You can’t dispute any of it.

      • plc97477

        And we as consumers have the right if not duty to find out which companies are screwing their employees to make a political point and make sure we do not give them our business until their policy ends.

    • bikejedi

      Maybe because all the entitlement voters are starting to get their free stuff on the Backs of the Tax Payers …Whats not to like for them ?

      • RobertCHastings

        So I guess you DON’T want to participate in Social Security and Medicare when you reach that age, even though you will have spent your entire working career contributing to both?

        • bikejedi

          I don’t know how much longer Soc Sec will be solvent and sooner or later the Dems are going to run out of tax payers to get that money from . I mean we have fewer people working then when Obama took office and the greatest percentage of part timers in history . Sooner or later they aren’t going to be able to keep raising taxes on these people . A lot of them would be better off on entitlements and a lot of people are looking more and more at welfare and disability as a career option . However if it is still there when I qualify I will definitely take mine . Let us not confuse that kind of benefit with welfare disability and free housing that I was referring to

          • RobertCHastings

            You and CPAinNY are both so full of crap. Fewer people working now than when Obama took office? Really? Not only is THAT one totally bogus, you need to revise your ideas about welfare. In case you haven’t been keeping up with it, welfare is greatly different from what it was thirty years ago. Disability, if you know anything at all about it, is extremely difficult to get on. That, too, has changed over the past couple decades -people who are on disability today are people who SHOULD be on disability.

          • bikejedi

            Yes that is exactly the case . Go to the Dept of Labor website . We have fewer people working then when Obama took office . He claims to have created over 7 million jobs in office and that is looking at the monthly hiring projections . He doesn’t factor in the jobs lost due to attrition lay offs , firings , and retirements . Disability is the NEW welfare and the number of people filing claim and joining the rolls is exploding . I would refer you to the excellent article I think it was in the NY Times about” Disability the New Welfare ” …Google it I might be wrong on the Paper it was in . If you think that all the people on disability really deserve it then you are ignoring the 22 people I know in my community who get it . The only disability they have is that they like Heroin and want someone else to pay for it as well as their housing and food . This allows them to lay up and watch the View and Maury while they get high . If you really believe that people aren’t abusing the system you are living in another reality .

          • RobertCHastings

            If you know people receiving disability who are doing so under fraudulent conditions, the you should report them instead of basically supporting them by your silence. ALL people I know on disability deserve it, from a Vietnam vet with Agent Orange syndrome, to a man who worked for over thirty years and had a stroke. I know of no one on welfare, although my daughter-in-law had her baby under Medicaid, and I know of several folks on WIC. I didn’t say people don’t abuse the system. Hell, George W Bush abused the system while avoiding a year of military service and then had the chutzpah to blast BOTH Kerry and McCain for their military service.

          • bikejedi

            I would never say that everyone who receives benefits doesn’t deserve them but there is widespread abuse in Chicago and NO one cares as long as they vote D . Yes it would be nice to turn them in ,but what would they do with that info ? Most of the time it gets ignored . I have notified SSI about one such individual in my Community . He is an ex banger who has lived in and out of jail his whole life …Fathers day for him is a street fest . He has 10 , count them 10 , kids that he does not provide any care or even nurturing for ( not that he would be a good influence anyway ) He is a Heroin addict that gets ( and brags about it ) Free housing , a Disability check , and an Obama phone to make his drug deals with . He claimed he was deaf and went into the SS office with a fake interpreter and brags about that also . It would be more then a full time job to do what you suggest . I know 22 ( maybe it is 23 ) people in my Community who are fraudulently getting benefits just because they are Heroin addicts and prefer to have someone else pay for their lifestyle . Have a nice weekend and go Bears

          • RobertCHastings

            So, you are basically saying you are happy with the situation as it is.

          • bikejedi

            No I just feel that there is so much of the abuse going on and no one here cares as long as they all vote D . To me its kind of like the Zombie Apocalypse …You can kill Zombies all day long and there are still more Zombies

          • RobertCHastings

            Has it ever occurred to you that you might be happier with your lock-step buddies on some other site more amenable to conservative causes? I can assure you that your zombie reference is equally applicable, if you just have the courage to look in the mirror.

          • bikejedi

            It isn’t about my happiness . it is about open dialogue and the sharing of views and opinions . You see we on the right aren’t opposed to that sort of thing because we have reasons for the way we feel and conviction of thought . It seems the people on the left only want to hear people who agree with them and that is very intolerant and also fearful . I come here hoping to open a few minds . Also maybe in the process I might change my view on a topic or two . You yourself have made me think on a few issues sooo …. The Left can continue to be isolationists who only want the people who agree with them or they can embrace diversity …Wow Deep huh ?

          • RobertCHastings

            “hoping to open a few minds” very clearly shows that you have no intention to have a free and open discussion. You want to show people that what they believe is wrong. The Left are not the isolationists, and the Right is NOT the bastion of diversity. I guess you missed the post-mortem after the last election.

          • bikejedi

            Well judging by your last post that suggested I just post on Conservative sites it would seem YOU prove that the inverse is true and the people on the left are isolationists . An election based in bought and paid supporters or promising different groups free stuff and maybe amnesty for the Illegals does not prove that the Dems are into diversity only that they will buy and bride those groups for support . And why would you assume that I am not here to open a few minds . I am not blocking anyone from having a conversation and will converse with anybody that isn’t entirely into name calling and stupidity . It is only through open discourse that we can grow as a people and a country so why is the left against that ?

          • RobertCHastings

            You deny that the Obama administration has done any more for veterans than for any other administration, yet all you offer is your personal experience in Chicago, defined a limited area and a limited number of individuals. The world does not revolve around Chicago, and Chicago DOES have its own laundry list of issues.

          • bikejedi

            Let me point out to you that because of Obama’s Sequestration the VA’s Budget was cut . Let me remind you of the directed emails by this administration to every Govt Dept to try to make these cuts hurt Americans so that they would pressure and blame their own congressmen over them . Also you are speaking to the choir on Chicago and Detroit’s style of issues and just remember if they have their way that is the plan for the whole Country . Everything Liberals and Obama wants is on display in Chicago from gun bans to Public Unions to No School choice to us being a Sanctuary City welcoming people breaking our laws to come here …It is all an abject failure and should be warning and example to any Liberal that it doesn’t work but you people keep pushing it despite all the facts and history and examples that is doesn’t work

          • RobertCHastings

            Do you actually believe all that gibberish? No wonder we cannot win the War on Drugs!

          • bikejedi

            Yes we cant win the war on drugs especially in when we are subsidizing the Drug addicts life style

      • Mark Forsyth

        Oh c’mon jedi,you and I both know that is pure bull.

        • bikejedi

          What part ? I mean the free stuff is already being worked into programs for people on welfare and food stamps so for them what’s not to like …I mean to those people its Free Stuff . Not trying to hiss anyone off but that is the reality of it .

      • elw

        Entitlements are not free. People on Medicare and Social Security have paid into the system for decades without collecting a penny. If you think entitlement are so bad, just do not collect them when you retire.

        • jackoooo

          We refer to food stamps. sec. 8 housing, aid to dependant children, etc.
          Of course he is not talking about what he paid for. Social security and medicare.

          • elw

            WE??? who is we?

          • jackoooo

            We, are the thinkers. The educated.

          • elw

            So tell me jackoooo, just how many people do you think fall into those entitlement you claim to be referring to?

          • bikejedi

            That is right . I am referring to people who get welfare and food stamps who now are getting mailing from their SNAP providers to sign up for Free Health Care …Of course those people are going to like it …Most of them don’t know that SOMEONE has to pay for that and the ones who do don’t care as long as it isn’t them …they have been programmed to believe they are victims and it is all because of those evil rich people holding them down .

        • bikejedi

          I am referring to people on welfare and food stamps who are already getting mailings telling them about signing up for their free stuff . These people are generally so lowly informed that they really think it is coming from magic unicorn poop or something . The few that realize that Someone has to pay for it don’t care as long is it isn’t themselves paying for it

          • elw

            What free extra stuff are you talking about and what does that have to do with Obamacare? Have you seen any of the mailings personally? You have an interesting perspective on people who are receiving Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) how many have you actually met?

          • bikejedi

            Why yes I have . I have a roommate who is unemployed due to the Auto Bailouts and she gets SNAP benefits …She received a letter form the Il Dept of Human Services with a letter proudly stating that she can get Free Health care coverage as part of the ACA and it included an application . We have a neighbor who is an Illegal Alien and she received the same letter and app .

          • elw

            You are making things up. First of all health care coverage under the ACA is not free (everyone will pay monthly premiums and copays) and DHS would never tell anyone they would be getting free health care coverage, secondly to qualify for health care coverage under the ACA you must be a legal resident of the US your neighbor did not get that letter you are claiming and probably does not even exist. Shame you. Does your roommate and neighbor know what you think of their intelligence?

          • bikejedi

            What are you talking about ? Under the ACA the people on entitlements aren’t going to pay for a thing . Have you read the law ? If you send me you address I will send you a copy of the letter . While it doesn’t mention free stuff that is the message they seem to be sending . Also if you really think that they are going to check immigration status when they don’t for anything else you are living in a Liberal Alternative Universe . I totally respect my roommate and really don’t care what my Illegal Alien neighbor thinks . They don’t respect my Country or me by breaking our laws and thumbing their nose at all of us while leeching off the system . If you doubt me look up the Hispanic Housing Development Corp here in Chicago . It is a Dem funded and granted non for profit that is going to go private ( if they haven’t already the name is misleading ) there are several of their Sec 8 buildings in my ” hood ” and they are loaded with Illegals

          • elw

            All you have to do to prove your point about people on entitlements not paying a thing under the ACA is send me the link to where it is said in the actual bill. As you admit, the letter (if it even exists) did not say “free stuff.” That is something you took straight out of the radical Right’s spin. it is a lie. To get coverage in any of the Medicaid and Snap programs you must show ID that proves you have legal status and yes they do check. You do not even understand the difference between Medicaid and the ACA. All non-profits are private organizations.

          • bikejedi

            Your comment reminds me that it takes an ID to get benefits but not to Vote …It is also very easy to skirt all of that . Let me point something out . Here in Chicago it is estimated ( Social Policy Institute ) that there are between 1200 and 1600 homeless Iraqi and Afghanistan vets . have you ever seen a Homeless Illegal Alien ?

          • elw

            Your are changing the subject with more untrue facts and worthless information to avoid proving your claims in your previous post; so I will assume you lied in your previous post and this one as well.

          • bikejedi

            The Letter contains applications for the Medicaid exchange and the Cook County CountyCare exchange ..Both are free to entitlement people

          • elw

            There are no Medicaid exchanges. You are confusing Medicaid with The ACA exchanges. I highly doubt you know what you are saying about the Cook County exchange as well. You have proven that you are just one of those low information people you are so quick to judge.

          • bikejedi

            No If I were low info that would by default make me a Lefty ..I erred in putting exchanges after the word Medicaid is all .

          • RobertCHastings

            Not that I go around asking the homeless if they are illegal aliens, but I am pretty sure they do actually exist. If they live in poverty, there is a very good chance some of them are homeless. I know of two homeless veterans where I live, and they are that way by choice, insofar as they are capable of making rational choices. War does strange things to people and unless they are totally screwed up and causing a danger to themselves or others, there is nothing to be done about their homeless status.

          • bikejedi

            You are right about some of the military vets and thir issues but a lot of them also don’t want to be homeless . In Illinois we cut out Mental Health budget to the lowest in the Nation . That budget was sacrificed at the altar of Public Union Pension Debt . Military vets are solely at the mercy of the VA . To say nothing can be done about homeless vets ignores the enormous effort and cost we put into Illegal Aliens for the same issues

          • RobertCHastings

            The current administration has done much more toward meeting the needs of our returning veterans than the previous one did. Why are juxtaposing vets with illegals? Money that goes for their benefits are NOT from the same budget items, agencies that deal with them are entirely different, as are the benefits available to them. Whatever Chicago’s debt issues are are totally irrelevant as Chicago (and Illinois) do not pay for veterans’ benefits, the federal government does. Chicago’s public employees’ pension fund is in no way connected to the funding for veterans’ benefits.

          • bikejedi

            The Pension crisis in Illinois forced our Dems to make a tough decision …fund critical safety net programs that benefit the mentally Ill ( most of the homeless suffer from these issues and a lot of vets used these services ) or do some serious Pension reform and maybe ask the Public Unions to make some concessions for the good of the whole state . Our Dems chose to just cut the Mental Health budget to dead last in the Nation …This effected everyone that uses those services and a lot of them are Vets . I don’t agree that this admin has done more to help Veterans when many of the cuts they have made have affected the VA and other things related to returning vets . Meanwhile in the Chi we have whole groups of non for profits that are funded by the Dems to help Illegal Aliens get free Sec 8 housing free Day care ( Christopher House ) Free Job training and Spanish language Computer classes and instruction . We have homeless vets but no one can find a homeless Illegal Alien …You people on the left that don’t live in cities like Chicago had better recognize that everything isn’t like what you are being told …come here and I will show you the free housing we supply to these people via the Hispanic Housing Development corp …They have several Sec 8 buildings right up the street from me at Sawyer and Diversey and Spaulding and Diversey …They have a senior Sec 8 building for Hispanic seniors only at Kedzie and Wrightwood …wake up ..this isn’t the way these benefits were imagined and I find it appalling we take such great care of these people and not returning vets

          • RobertCHastings

            We people on the Left live in the real world. It is those on the right who have made the assumption that people who are destitute or homeless or unemployed or on welfare are there because of conscious choices to be there. You need to wake up and look at who you are demonizing.

          • bikejedi

            the only people I am demonizing are the ones who give benefits to people who are here thumbing their noses at our laws over American Citizens just because that party wants to pander for their votes

          • RobertCHastings

            Regardless of what you think, if you have ever given the topic ANY serious thought, illegals DO NOT and CANNOT vote, and, as much as the right would love to demonstrate otherwise, they cannot produce any actionable proof. The immigrants who vote are NOT illegals, but naturalized citizens of the US.

          • bikejedi

            How would you know since absolutely NO ID is required in a lot of States ? And of course since NO ID is required how the HELL could you find actionable proof ….Thank You for making the case for Voter ID for me ….Voter ID if it’s good enough for Mexico its good enough for the USA

          • RobertCHastings

            So you are going to have a law enacted to prevent something that doesn’t happen. Sounds like a Republican.

          • bikejedi

            As I pointed out in my previous post it does happen …Maybe you didn’t get the ACORN mailer a few years ago addressed to your pet but it was big news here …And as I keep pointing out if it isn’t happening then what do you have to lose what are you ” followers ” so afraid of ? For Chrissakes even backwards third world Country’s have Voter ID so why not here ?

          • bikejedi

            If it doesn’t exist what are you afraid of …Voter ID certainly isn’t going to hurt anything . Several States already have it .

            Of course we could do what the Democrats do and make up a phony problem so we can enact new taxes and shut down whole industries ….Global Warming anyone …OUCH

          • RobertCHastings

            Of course those issues don’t exist. They are just figments of the very active imaginations of the Liberal media, which by the way does not exist, either. Climate change to to human intervention DOES exist, and the proof is just getting stronger and stronger. You may not have a serious issue with it, but, if we don’t change,your grandchildren will. The Brennan Center (William Brennan, SCOTUS) has a lengthy study out demonstrating 1) the fact that millions will be affected by Voter ID laws, and 2) the fraud that conservatives claim will be stopped by Voter ID laws does NOT exist in any significant numbers. Of course,the legitimate sources that present reasoned evidence on both these issues I am sure are well beyond you purview.

          • bikejedi

            The Liberal Media doesn’t exist ? Who is your supplier …he’s good . What would you call MSNBC NBC CNBC CNN CBS ABC NPR ? Maybe you missed the two stories this week . The one about the Polar ice increasing by over 60% and the other one that showed the projections for man made global warming was completely false and it amplified the projections of what would happen vis a vis what really is happening . We will never know the extent of vote fraud because no one goes after it . This is Especially magnified with Obama and Eric Holder not investigating or prosecuting it for obvious reasons …so you keep on believing it doesn’t exist while everyone else in the Country wants it …of course besides those who like the possibility of vote fraud . If it doesn’t exist why are the “followers” so afraid of voter ID ?

          • RobertCHastings

            What was your source for the global warming stories? Do you think that, just maybe, it could be from someone who disagrees with the “theory” of global warming, perhaps someone funded by the fossil fuel industry, someone who has a financial stake in denying that the globe is warming and it is doing so due to human intervention? Polar ice-cap increasing by over 60%? Really? Which polar ice-cap was that – the one on Mars? Or maybe that was the new one they just discovered on the moon?
            Just in case you haven’t been as involved in the investigations on voter fraud as you are trying to get us to believe, ANY and ALL allegations of voter fraud are fully investigated, by the Justice Department AND by the states in which these violations allegedly occur, and are therefore readily available for your scrutiny, IF YOU DARE TO LOOK FOR THE DATA instead of getting your panties in a wad by denying they are being investigated. You are all gung ho over accusing, but not very good on seeking the truth.

          • bikejedi

            If Liberals ever start looking for real news and start to read other sources they would be better informed . This was even reported on my local TV news in the Chi . It was National news about 11 days ago but you people only get news from MSNBC and NPR …so here goes …http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html there are several stories on this from several reputable sources and some include Satellite imagery .

          • RobertCHastings

            The Daily Mail is NOT one of the more moderate wings of British media. Their analysis of the issues in the article were fraught with the usual assumption by climate deniers that for the theory to work, every successive year MUST be worse than the previous.. My most recent source has been”The Rolling Stone” which, over the years, has published many good articles on global warming. However, Time, Science News, Discover, National Geographic,are also excellent sources, having followed this issue for its scientific and intellectual interest rather than for its sensationalism.

          • bikejedi

            OMG ..Mr Hastings you are going to make me reavaluate my respect for you . These people cant even do a Music revue right and if you are a band say like RUSH they pan you because your songs have Ayn Rand themes . These are the same BOZO’s who put that dreamy picture of the Muslim Terrorist on their cover and tried to make the case that the bombing wasn’t his fault . I;; bet a lot of you Lefty’s who think we owe Islam sensitivity while they try to kill us liked that and bought right into that . The day that Rolling Stone is the authority on ANYTHING we are in trouble …Robert there are about 30 different links to that and the other story that came out the same week about how all the projections by these so called scientist aren’t meeting expectations .

          • RobertCHastings

            I hate to tell you, grasshopper, but I am on entitlements, and they aren’t free. I STILL pay tax on Social Security, and I pay Medicare premiums of almost $300/month, after having paid into BOTH for my entire working years (over 40 years), as does EVERYONE on either Social Security or Medicare or both.

          • bikejedi

            Yes but you aren’t on welfare or disability

          • RobertCHastings

            My son was on disability, and I know of two others who have had a hell of a time getting on disability. None of them were undeserving. My son has chronic gastro problems with chronic pancreatitis, along with autism. One of the gentlemen I know on disability suffered a stroke resulting in permanent damage. Another suffered permanent liver damage due to military service and poor medical care. The list goes on., And I am sure you believe all those I mention are malingerers, lazy, bottom-feeding leeches. ALL “entitlements” were established for the relief of those who, either permanently or temporarily, find themselves in an untenable economic position. There are millions more NOT receiving any public assistance who are labeled as chronic poor (a family of four with annual income under $23,500). Thousands of veterans are on the streets because they suffer from PTSD, which is STILL stigmatized. Thousands of active service men are among the poor. Not wishing to be crude OR rude, you need to get out and actually look at who the poor and homeless are.

          • jackoooo

            Did you write to Obama for help???

          • RobertCHastings

            Why would I write to Obama for help? The Federal government ALREADY provides adequate help for those that need it, who I know of. My son is receiving the best medical care available to him OR TO ANYONE ELSE in this country. The other folks, being on disability, receive Medicaid, which handles all of their medical needs. The ACA has already helped a few people I know of by providing insurance for college-age children and for requiring coverage for pre-existing conditions. Another person I know of will be very happy come the first of the month, when she will be able to get AFFORDABLE insurance.

          • bikejedi

            No I don’t view everyone on disability as lazy . A lot of them deserve and need it and we should supply a safety net . It should be better regulated and they should go after the abusers . They don’t in my city because it is an overwhelming task and they don’t care about them if they vote D . When you say that ” entitlements were established for the relief of those who, either permanently or temporarily, find themselves in an untenable economic position . ” would those temporary people be the ones that have been on those benefits multi generationally ? As for getting out to look at the homeless maybe you didn’t notice that I have done volunteer work with a non for profit here dealing with that exact issue …Right here in the Liberal Utopia that was once known as Chicago

          • RobertCHastings

            What is your motivation in working through your non-profit? If it is to help people, then you certainly don’t project that. By being extremely critical of those who need assistance, you do not do anything for their already shaky self-image except make it worse.

          • bikejedi

            The Social Policy Institute that I volunteered with for a short time did a lot of ground work to find out how to better serve the homeless and to figure out the best ways to do it . Funny thing is that none of the people we found that were homeless were Illegals . A lot however were returning vets . I don’t demean American Citizens who are homeless

          • RobertCHastings

            However, you, along with some other posters on this site, DO have a penchant for demeaning “others”, people who are NOT of your social group and whom you do not even make the attempt to understand. As you SHOULD have found in your work, homelessness IS a choice, but a choice of last resort, when there are no other options available. Poverty, similarly, is NOT the first choice of ANYONE for their social and economic condition. IF America were not the prosperous democracy that it is, you and I would be forced, as are our neighbors to the south, to emigrate to where the prosperity is, so we can support ourselves and our families. The vast majority of Hispanic immigrants (legal OR illegal)are here to improve their station in life, not to milk our system. Welfare, like poverty and homelessness, is, except for a very limited number of exceptions, NOT the first choice of its recipients for their path to prosperity. Many people who find themselves in less-than-prosperous conditions are there, not because of their choices, but because of economic conditions. Even some of the employed find it necessary to endure homelessness because of the realities of the economic situation in this country. I could go on and on with this, but if you haven’t got my point by now, there really isn’t much point in going on and on.

          • bikejedi

            Nobody is forcing ” Our neighbors to the South to come here and break our laws for a better chance at prosperity ” These people who do so thumb their noses at our laws and disrespect us so what makes you think they would be good citizens ? these same people are thumbing their noses at every immigrant in every other Country that has come here LEGALLY . These ILLEGAL ALIENS should not be rewarded for their bad behavior while LEGAL IMMIGRANTS by the same coin are then Punished because they did everything the right way . These law breakers should not be rewarded with Sec 8 housing or anything else . Look there are probably billions of people like those law breakers from the south that would love to come to America if they could …should we just let them all come ILLEGALLY ? Should we just provide for everyone ? Why don’t you on the left and all the criminals you like to advocate for just fight for better conditions in their own Country . If these people really cared why wouldn’t they fight for better conditions and Govt in Mexico ? There is no reason for Mexicans to fight for better conditions when they can jst come here and be rewarded because your party wants to retain power permanently and they don’t care what they do to achieve that …

          • RobertCHastings

            In case you haven’t been watching, any attempts at improving the government in Mexico is met with violence and assassination by the drug cartels. Sheriffs, mayors, legislators, presidential candidates, etc. have all been victims of a ruthless drug cartel operating with virtual impunity inside Mexico, and much of South and Central America. This situation began and has continued due to one (I repeat, ONE) factor, and that is the insatiable appetite of the American public for the illegal drugs in which these cartels traffick. If you live near the US border with Mexico, you are aware of the fact that many of the illegals who cross the border do so while carrying amounts of marijuana or other drugs, a way they pay for passage into the US. And why wouldn’t they come here, when their own government cannot function to provide them an adequate standard of living or any degree of safety? And then you people on the right get all bent out of shape when our AG does something to control the violence spilling over into this country. You cannot have your cake and eat it.

          • bikejedi

            That is a canard .. Look there are lots and lots of Countries that produce smuggle and sell their drugs here . A lot of those countries don’t have the problems Mexico has and if those people don’t like it they should throw those drug dealers out and put them in jail through the force of their majority . The fact is that their politicians are as corrupt and on the take as the average Chicago Dem and that is the biggest obstacle down there . And if you are refering to Fast and Furious being something to control the violence spilling over into this Country you are not as smart as I had given you credit for . Fast and Furious has resulted in the Deaths of over 300 Mexicans and at least one of our Border agents . It was done with out the consent of the Mexican Govt and the guns had no trackers on them like the ones in Operation Wide Receiver

          • RobertCHastings

            Hey, I hate to tell you, guy, but you are wasting your breath and raising you blood pressure.

          • elw

            I actually find them rather amusing.

          • jackoooo

            My ex wife’s sister lives in N.J. My ex calls it scam row. Every person on her block is on assistance of some sort.
            When the govt. comes to investigate, the husband disappears so his wife can keep getting assistance money. If they find out he lives there she gets less or nothing.
            Some of them work, but under the table, sooo that is unreported. They get assistance.

          • elw

            Soooo

          • darkagesbegin

            I wonder about people like you who worry about some poor person getting some type of help for a few dollars a month when the 1 % are raking in thousands a month in unneeded and unproductive tax breaks.

          • bikejedi

            A few dollars a month huh ? That’s laughable , to most of these people it is a career choice . Meanwhile you class warfare everyone hate the rich ….you are a victim and you don’t have anything because you neighbor is rich… and he got rich on yo broke ass flawed Occupier rhetoric really suffers when measured in the light of the reality that the top 1 % pay over 36% of the collected taxes and the top 5 % pay over 80 % …Oh those evil rich people how dare them pay for everyone else and for all the votes the Dems buy with their money

          • darkagesbegin

            I didn’t say any of that; and that is the problem. I can’t even raise the question because you go into your pre-programmed rant. It is obvious you will never think to raise the question… So, you will never even know if your are more victimized by the poor or the wealthy. and while you are worrying about the neighbor maybe taking a quarter out of your pocket, the entrenched interests of the 1 % will steamroll every dime out of you they can and then toss you on the pile while you bitterly complain that it shouldn’t happen to you because, hey, you vote republican.

          • bikejedi

            I am not VICTIMIZED by anyone . I am responsible for my own success and will rise or fail on my own talents abilities and drive . That is the point . A Representative Republic ( and that’s what we are ) coupled with Free Market Capitalism WAS the recipe that created the Country and System that brought the greatest amount of opportunity , wealth , and achievement to the greatest number of people . Why in the World would we want to go towards a system of shared misery ? You cant legislate outcomes but you can strive to give everyone an opportunity . Some will take that and run and others wont . The one who don’t shouldn’t blame the other ones who do . And just your words show that you believe that it is OK for some to view themselves as VICTIMS . The people on Entitlements are talking much more from me in terms of Tax Dollars and the Rich don’t ask anything form me . In fact they are the ones who pay MY bills . They give me the opportunity to make money . If you think it is the other way around and you own a business then try to make a living off those on entitlements ? Now some grocery stores can do that , but if you have a business that offers services that aren’t covered by Govt and Tax Payer supplied Bennies , well good luck with that …So No , I don’t feel victimized at all by the wealthy . The people who are affecting my bottom line are the Dems and their taxing and regulating policy . It is a policy designed to take money from me to fund their Social spending for votes and their support of over paid and over benefitted Public Unions . That policy has chased over1 million productive tax payers ( my customers ) from my State and over 200, 000 productive Tax Payers from my city . The biggest demographic leaving Chicago are the upper middle income Blacks . Thy are fed up with the high Taxes an no services for that level of Taxation . they are fed up with paying for the highest paid Union Teachers in he Nation who cant teach the kids to spell . They are fed up with NO Police protection while the Dems do nothing to take the Guns away from the Bangers . If I am being victimized by anyone it is them . They take all of my production and money o fund their machine . All the while their policy is chasing away all of my customers . Go to the Illinois Policy Institute and look up the Illinois mass Migration . Jobs and People are fleeing this tyranny en masse for a reason . Also My rhetoric is mine alone . I don’t use a lot of talking points and the ones I do are rooted in fact common sense and historical precedent . It just so happens that the rhetoric of the right also does . I also live in the Chi so I vote for a lot of Dems . Some not by choice but as the lesser of two evils .

          • TheSkalawag

            Blah Blah Blah we’ve heard this broken record before.

          • bikejedi

            Well since you’ve heard it before and it makes complete logical sense then why not copy their work ethic and stop whining . The only people telling you that you are a victim are the Liberals and Obama .

          • TheSkalawag

            Here are two articles that contradict your premise that when republicans are in control the country does better.

            http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/03/democratic-run-states-move-republican-controlled-states-dither.html

            http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/busleadersrep.htm

          • bikejedi

            Cool and I could post 100 links showing the opposite . Use common sense… are you better off today then you were 6 years ago ? Is America ? Go back and think about that during every Presidential admin in your life . Most would say they did better when Republicans were in office and polls today show that Americans trust the GOP on economic matters to this day …And that is even with almost 6 years of the magnificence of Obama oooopppps . the only people that can say that they were better off under the Dems are the Unions specifically the Public Unions . In todays America they make double what their counterparts do in the Private sector for like work and they enjoy benefits packages no one gets but them …gee no wonder they vote Dem ..You would too if the Dems were giving you everything you wanted on the backs of the Tax Payers

          • TheSkalawag

            I’m sure you could. But you won’t.
            I am using common sense. Yes I and the country are better off than were 6 yrs ago. 6 yrs ago we were cruising along full speed toward a financial cliff.
            Do the names AIG, Bearstearns,Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch mean anything to you.
            As far as those who can say they are better off today than they were 6 yrs ago I would say Wall Street and the too big to fail banks come to my mind.
            But you don’t have to take my word for it. Go back and see where we were for yourself.
            In the mean time you can take that snake oil and peddle it to someone else.

          • bikejedi

            Gee you are on to something …Yes all those Investment houses were going broke because of all the bad subprime debt …Oh you remember Jimmy Carter tried to buy votes by giving people home loans by forcing banks to write loans to people whether they could pay them back or not . These were loans no bank would have written if they weren’t being forced to . Then Clinton repealed Glass Steagal and that allowed the Investment houses to parcel them off in the derivative market …Trouble was that is was all bad debt …but I know let’s just blame the banks for the Dem Policy that caused it .. …You mention Wall Street today maybe they are better off because QE 1 2 and 3 huh ? I mean when you print digital money and invest it in the market to artifiiaily pump that up and make yourself look good then the Dem’s fat cat donors and their wealthy 1%ers are going to get rich …You really don’t understand any of that do you ?

          • TheSkalawag

            I guess you’ll be going back to FDR in order to prove your nonexistent point. Still not in the market for snake oil..

          • bikejedi

            No for this mess you just have to go back to Carter . Don’t believe me ? Cool , then look up the excellent piece in the very Liberal NY TIMES of 9 /30 / 1999 that fore told the collapse perfectly years before it happened …Gee that will be an eye opener

          • jackoooo

            Taking the quarter out of my pocket never stops. If it would stop I would vote for it.
            8% Ca. state tax.

          • bikejedi

            We just had the largest State Income tax Hike and Corporate Tax hike on a % basis in American History here all in an attempt for the Dems to take care of their Public Unions and all we got was Negative 63. to 74K Job loss ….

          • darkagesbegin

            and of course, it might be a career choice, because everyone acts out of self interest and if they see that working for minimum wage will get them nothing but broke and more in debt and being on welfare will do the same–why work? You can’t expect for people, as a group, to work hard all their life and at the end have nothing but debt. In other words, work has to pay more than it costs or you end up with social disruption. And it would seem to me to be in the self-interest of all those “job-creators” to actually want society to function so that they can continue to maintain their wealth.

          • bikejedi

            Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be anything other then a starter job . Not something that would provide for a family or even support an individual . Unfortunately under Obama these are the only jibs available to a lot of people . That fact alone doesn’t mean that we should just keep raising the min wage as where would it stop ? How much do the rest of us want to pay at Mc D’s and would they even be able to stay in business ? I mean why stop at $ 15 /hr ? I mean why not just mandate that every employer provide every employee with a lavish lifestyle ? Why not $75 /hr like the average UAW worker ? Oh yeah that didn’t work out to well for the UAW or GM did it ? It made them un competitive in the Market Place and the Tax Payers had to bail them out ( or at least UAW pension plans ) How long do you think it will take before another bailout is necessary ? I mean when the rest of the world of auto makers is paying their workers $28 /hr and the UAW feels they are entitled to make $75 /hr how long do you think it will take before we have to bail the Union out again ? Entitlements are a great alternative to minimum wage jobs so maybe we shouldn’t make them so . For the worker in the Private Sector …if they keep taking everything you work for why work ? This is the crux of it and why Socialism has never succeeded for any amount of time anywhere . It de incentivizes production . By the way study after study shows that people who are productive in their lives are happier …All this does is spread misery . And lastly it is in the best interests of the wealthy for the economy to strive but it is in everyone’s best interest so why all the hate against achievers ? The America I grew up in lauded achievement as something desirable . Kennedy himself inspired America to achieve ..What has happened to us ? Why are the achievers being blamed for everything while the less fortunate are being taught through Community Organizer style rhetoric that they are less fortunate because Achievers have achieved . It is a childish rhetoric that is designed to create a straw man for the lazy to hate and blame for their own problems . It is also designed to legitimize their feelings of victimhood .

          • TheSkalawag

            What have republicans done to make things better for the middle-class over the past three or so decades?

          • bikejedi

            Well that is simple . Most of the time under Republicans Unemployment has fallen the economy has grown and more full time jobs were created . Even Clinton benefited from the technology boom and the e business boom . None of that would have been happening in the fashion it was without the SDI program . If you talk to anyone in these fields they will tell you that SDI was the genesis of all the Integrated Chip design…and most of the infrastructure of the WWW . Optic fiber cable, digital transmission , and cellular technology was born out of that . this helped fuel the economy and create real growth . EVERYONE benefited . Contrast that with Obamanomics . We have fewer Americans working today then when he took office , the labor participation rate is at the lowest point in almost 40 yrs , we have more part time jobs that at any point in our history , we have increased the roles of those dependent on Govt to all time highs and this is before Obamacare will incentivize only part time employment . Everyone is being affected and everyone is suffering . If you own a business you have fewer customers and those customers are spending less . Remember Obama said he wouldn’t negotiate on a debt limit increase . He and the left will then call the GOP Congress obstructionists is that true or fair ? he claimed in that speech that he had created 7 million jobs …if that is the case then why are fewer Americans working then when he took office …I know Math is hard right ?

          • jackoooo

            Those evil rich people are the ones employing people like you…. lol

          • jackoooo

            I was never employed by a poor person…. lol

          • bikejedi

            Me neither but the left doesn’t understand that . they are being programmed to believe they are victims because someone else is an achiever . It then becomes the fault of the evil achiever that they cant succeed .

          • jackoooo

            I thought one of the primary goals in life was to work and achieve wealth so my future and my families future was secure.
            On this site they want to penalize me. They make sport of any success because they never achieved it. They want me to subsidize the losers with my work ethic.
            Not gonna happen if I have anything to say about it!!

          • bikejedi

            Liberals are being fooled by the class warfare and Marxist ideology of Obama . Since most of them are not achievers in this world it is easy to make them believe that they are victims because their neighbor might be more successful . Armed with that they feel they are entitled to the products of your hard work ..”.from those by their ability to those by their need ” …forward Comrades

          • RobertCHastings

            Career choice? Really? How many individuals are receiving benefits from the programs you want to tear down, and how many of those are actually committing prosecutable fraud? IF you can find the numbers, They will not show what you want to see, so don’t even try to look them up. Just throw out those programs that help people who need them; at least, you will have caught your frauds and cheats in your dragnet. It’s sort of like the voter ID laws – make EVERYONE prevent a photo ID in order to vote in order to catch -how many over the past ten years have been prosecuted for the type of fraud this would stop? In order to clean up the program, just shut it ALL down – you and your BFF wealthy (who could care less about you, TOO) will be very happy to catch one or two bad apples by burning down the entire orchard.

          • bikejedi

            No one can knows how many are getting them fraudulently but we should be trying to find them and weed them out and that doesn’t seem to be happening . There is no reliable way to find those numbers but I do know they WOULD show massive fraud . I didn’t say to throw out any programs just make sure the people getting them are A American Citizens an B are just in getting them …A good way to weed a lot of the fraud out would be mandatory drug testing for anyone getting Food Stamps Welfare Disability and Public Housing . It would also solve a lot of the crime issues in Public Housing and in general . Of course all the Liberals fight that saying it is demeaning …That is funny as hell …using that logic is it also not demeaning to people who work for a living and have to pay the taxes for those people who get entitlements ? As for Voter ID the only people who are fighting that are Obama his Dems and their hardcore supporters who don’t seem to care about integrity if it means their party can retain power by rigging elections . In two recent polls done by Liberal media 72% in one and over 80 in the other support voter ID …As for how may have been caught …well the number grows everyday and there are I think 32 members of ACORN in jail over it . It is a very simple step to ensure a more verifiable election so why do Dems and Liberals want to make sure they can still do their vote fraud ? Are they afraid Obama could not have won without it ? How much voter fraud is there ? Maybe if we had Voter ID we would know .

          • RobertCHastings

            Studies by both sides in the issue have clearly demonstrated that the kind of voter fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws simply does not exist. There are no documented cases of prosecutions for an individual passing himself off as someone else at the polling station. And that is due to the fact those who work the polls are individuals from the community who, through years of experience IN the community, can personally identify the vast majority of voters, or at least recognize them from previous voting. Plainly, why fix something that is not broken?
            As for the issue of fraud regarding government assistance programs, your data is from a totally biased and notoriously unreliable source. Fraud does exist, just not at the level you people want to believe. And it is totally blind on your part to claim that nothing is being done about such fraud, when almost everyday there are published articles regarding the arrest and prosecution for such fraud.

          • bikejedi

            I disagree strongly and the polls show even Dems want Voter ID . It seems the only ones who don’t want it are Obama the DNC ACORN and the hard core followers . Look EVEN Mexico has Voter ID why not the USA ? You need an ID for EVERYTHING ELSE in this world and Obama and the followers are the only ones clinging to the dream of stealing elections …What are you guys afraid of ? Are you afraid Obama couldn’t have won without Vote fraud ? If it is nothing to worry about why are you people fighting to keep vote fraud when the vast Majority of Americans want a better system ? And to say it doesn’t exist ignores the over 100% voter turnout in key Counties in Ohio and Fla (And yes I know about the double ballot .the numbers still don’t add up .) or the 59 Philly precincts without a single Romney vote not even a write in …Yeah nothing to see here …as for arrests how many of the former members of ACORN are in Jail ? 34 I think is the latest count ( I could be wrong but you get the point )… I am well aware of how elections are run my ex girl friend is( was ) an election judge for a decade and a half at the St John Berchman Polling place here in the Chi . She is a hard core Dem and during the last Presidential election she was ejected by her fellow judges from the polling place …Her crime was pointing out that 3 separate people had come in more then once to vote ..The fellow judges had her removed from the polling place . As for entitlement fraud ANY is too much when needy people are going without . And I never said nothing was being done to combat that …its just not enough .

          • bikejedi
          • RobertCHastings

            So,let’s see. $1.3 billion and about 36,000 recipients. Yeah, let’s just shut the whole program down.

          • bikejedi

            Mr hastings you wanted an example and I gave one and that was from the Liberals at NBC . Ok I don’t advocate shutting thewhole thing down . I do advocate going after the fraud ..On the welfare side of things I support drug testing for anyone getting welfare , disability food stamps housing and phones it is only fair that if the people that pay for these programs have to get drug tested that they should be assured by those needing them that they are truly needy and not just laying up doing heroin while they watch Maury and Oprah . I support Community Service for the able bodied recipients of benefits . Let them clean parks and graffiti . this will give them a sense of a work ethic and some pride that they aren’t just mooching

          • RobertCHastings

            Fine. How much does a drug test cost? Who is going to pay for it? This is the same kind of reasoning that led several states to put unemployment benefits on ATM cards, requiring beneficiaries to pay an activity fee for each and every transaction. You will punish people simply because they NEED assistance. A drug test will in no way validate an individual’s genuine need, and it WILL damage the self-image of those who actually need help, not doubt. If it is a testing program that tests ALL, try to come up with some figure for the cost of administering such a program. Tests that are drug-specific are much cheaper than the ones that will test for a spectrum of drugs (meth, heroine, coke, MJ, etc.) and many of those tests will come back with a false/positive on people who use a prescribed medication with codeine – I’ve seen it happen in the workplace. So,do I advocate NO way of verifying need? Of course not. The way to verify need is to do backgrounds on applicants – where do they live, are they working, why/why not, do they have a history of drug abuse. If you want to prohibit drug users from receiving public assistance of any kind, that is a slippery slope.

          • bikejedi

            Wow false positives …I have never seen that happen and if you have a prescription for Codeine you are all good if not oh well . The costs ? ….Believe me the savings will far exceed the costs …Self image of those receiving hand outs from the Tax Payers ??? Oh wow My Heart pumps purple piss for them …Do you have the same concern for the self image of every tax payer ? Of course not .

          • RobertCHastings

            You are so immersed in the Tea Party rant that ANYONE who receives money from the government does not deserve it. How about the thousands of wealthy in this country who are receiving Farm Bill subsidies (a game dating from the 1920′S) who will benefit from the same bill that will drastically reduce Food Stamps, and you are one of the suckers footing THAT bill. How about the oil companies making record profits, NOT paying taxes,and STILL receiving federal subsidies or tax credits?
            MOST of those on welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, SNAP, etc. NEED those in order to get by and to provide for their children. Do the oil companies really need their subsidies? Do wealthy farmers really need subsidies to grow nothing? You really DON’T have any idea who is really running this country, do you?

          • bikejedi

            The Govt makes more on every gallon of gas sold in taxes then the oil companies do in profits .In Chicago for instance taxes make up 86 cents of the price of a gallon and the oil company makes about 6 cents profit per gallon ….those greedy oil companies ..Oil company profits are good for the whole Country . the more they make the more they pay in taxes The talking point of tax breaks for oil companies really doesn’t hold water . And what does that have to do with what we were talking about . Once again I never said there arent needy people and that we shouldn’t supply a safety net …but not to lazy drug users or Illegal Aliens who are breaking our laws and disrespecting our nation

          • RobertCHastings

            Interesting, about the more they make, the more they pay in taxes. Exxon,the largest US oil producer, made record profits and paid $0 in taxes, in fact making a profit off the government with their subsidies. Your figures are way off – the individual dealers MAY make%0.06/gallon, but the companies make much more than that. Where do you think $5billion in profits per quarter come from?

          • bikejedi

            Simple answer …Do you have any Idea where the largest oil reserves on this planet are ? Would you answer Saudi Arabia ? The entire Middle East ? Venezuela you say ? Well you would be wrong . The Country with the largest processed oil reserves is the USA and I am not referring to what is under our Country . We have the largest oil reserves in the World in the Gas Tanks of American cars . Sell a lot of gas make a lot of money

          • RobertCHastings

            Can’t argue with that one, although it is quite simplistic. The amount of processed oil residing in the 200 million + motor vehicles in the US does constitute a large part of the PROCESSED oil on the planet. However, it is nothing compared to what is in the ground and is planned on being removed and processed in the future. Were the fossil fuel industry to carry through on their plans of processing and selling their established reserves of RAW material, that would generate an unsustainable amount of pollution. Were they to NOT develop it, that would cost them huge amounts of money. Follow the money – what choice do you think they will make and what effect do you think that will have on the political scene?

          • bikejedi

            Ok I agree making oil causes pollution ..so does plugging in that electric car Especially when to charge it you are getting your power from fossil fuel power plants ..It seems Obama and the Liberals don’t like clean Nuclear Energy power and want you to charge that car on the coal and fossil fuel fired power plants . Did you know that to build a VOLT take 3 times the carbon footprint of a regular car ? When you factor in the charging it is estimated you would have to own that Volt for approx 20 years to equalize the carbon footprint of a regular car . No good solution and we need gas to ship stuff and to move around …. Right now the hybrids are doing a better job ..The build carbon footprint is still larger then a regular car but not 3 times like a Volt . You also don’t have to charge them at night and they get excellent gas mileage

          • RobertCHastings

            At the risk of being considered a smart ass, I must say you are much more reasonable when you at least try to be, and much more likely to come to some reasonable understanding with compromise. Hybrids, unfortunately, PUBLISH what are their purported EPA mileage estimates (which have been proven to be considerably off from reality). Battery technology is improving, thanks to innovators like Tesla, and improved availability of certain materials like lithium. Several years ago, Popular Science came out with an article in which an energy storage device was being developed that stores kinetic energy in a series of flywheels rotating at 100,000 RPM. As with improving storage battery technology, the cost for such technology will decrease with scales of production. As for even nuclear energy, the production of electricity by means of other than fossil fuels is something that simply is not taking off like it must in order to become economically feasible. The licensing procedure for nuclear plants takes years and costs billion in pre-production costs, and many nations are leery of it BECAUSE of Three Mile Island and the meltdown in Japan, coupled with the issue of disposing of spent fuel.
            While you disapprove of my source of “Rolling Stone”, the writers who contribute the articles on climate change are well-respected journalists who really have very little to do with the chief aspect of “Rolling Stone”, covering the entertainment industry.

          • TheSkalawag

            If you’re rich then you’re only here spreading lies to protect your own interest. If your not rich then you are here spreading your lies because your rich overlord told you to or he won’t toss any more of his table scraps and crumbs your way.

          • bikejedi

            Not really rich and I dont support any agenda except what is good for my Country . You should try stopping all that fear mongering and trying to convince people that they are victims because someone else is successful . Success and Achievement used top be looked upon as a good thing in this country but it is in the interests of Socialism or Totallitary Societies to divide those people and scare a class of people into believing that they are victims because their brother is successful . . By the way the more people that are successful in your Country the more jobs that country will create and the more that Country will increase collected revenues to their Treasury . Those Principles should be so easy to understand and so pure in logic that their should be no arguing it . Couple that with the fact that their is mountains of history that all Socialism is done is spread the misery and make everyone poor why would you back such a failed ideology ?

          • TheSkalawag

            I’m not selling fear at all. You have cornered the market on that. You’re telling everyone that will listen to be afraid because THEY are coming to take your stuff from you.

            Success and achievement are still good things that should be sought after.

            It is you on the right that are using divisiveness and fearas your tools of choice.

            “By the way the more people that are successful in your Country the more jobs that country will create and the more that Country will increase collected revenues to their Treasury ” That goes without saying but by the same token the more obstacles that are placed in the way of achievement and success the fewer people there are that attain those goals. And without some degree of socialism societies will not grow and flourish. Pure anything is doomed to failure.

          • bikejedi

            Please explain and cite examples of the fear mongering and divisive tactics from the Right ..When did I say anyone was coming to take ” your stuff from you ” . By the way there is some truth to that if you look at the new and inventive ways our Dems in Chicago dream up new ways to revenue the private sector here everyday . Speed cameras anyone ? Red light cameras with shorter yellow lights anyone ?
            If as you say that success and achievement are still good things in this Country then why is everyone like that vilified by the left , every Socialist , and every Occupier ….You are being a hypocrite .

            And you cant equalize outcomes . In a free Society people will rise and fall based on their own talents and drive . You can fight to equalize opportunity . . In Previous American History no Country or Society in the history of the globe created more opportunity or prosperity and for the greatest amount of people as we did . We achieved all that American Exceptionalism and Greatness by combining a Representative Republic with Free Market Capitalism ….Can you point to any Socialist Society Anywhere in History that can claim that ? Of course not in time they all fail .

          • TheSkalawag

            What free stuff? I keep hearing about all this free stuff that people are supposed to be getting but none of it has been enumerated as far as I know.
            So bikejedi please enlighten us low informed.

          • bikejedi

            Food Stamps , Obama Phones , Govt housing and the Subsidized housing programs , Welfare etc etc . Their are programs for student loans and grants their are programs and grants given to give Illegal Aliens Free child care ( Christopher House in Chicago is an example ) Now I believe in a safety net for the needy not cradle to grave free stuff for the lazy . I support drug testing for anyone receiving theses benefits and for the able bodied who get them there should be Community Service programs . Let them clean the graffiti and the parks etc . As for the Drug testing almost every Tax Payer that goes to work everyday and pays taxes has to get one just to get a job so to ask those that are getting the free stuff to prove that they are worthy of our product is only fair .

  • Pamby50

    Why does this not shock me. I didn’t see Walgreens or Caremark listed in that group. I sure hope they keep going regardless of what these idiot republicans try to do.

  • Dominick Vila

    This is great news for people like my eldest son, a small business owner who was quoted $700 a month for individual coverage and over $1,400 for family coverage. Not only are millions of uninsured or under insured Americans going to benefit from this, the whole country will soon realize that all the hyperbole and distortions were just that, scare tactics by those whose only loyalty is to their wealthy donors and those who have a stake in maintaining the status quo.
    I suspect most Republican leaders are well aware of what is about to happen. That is the reason they are desperately trying to derail ACA. They know that as soon as the average citizens experiences the benefits inherent in this program they will embrace ACA as enthusiastically as most seniors support Social Security and MEDICARE. The worst part for the GOP is that after years of demonization they are likely to end up with egg on their faces.

    • darkagesbegin

      I hope the worst part for the GOP is more than just “egg on their faces.” Since most GOP politicians are two-faced that would be an expensive waste of eggs. I would rather the worst part be that the GOP will lose even more votes and will thus have to resort to even more repressive tactics to keep the vote down

      • roguerunners

        LOL

      • RobertCHastings

        Perhaps, since the Koch brothers appear to have a monopoly on the toilet paper market, we could collect all the used TP and place it on their doorstep.

        • Mark Forsyth

          When one is as full of shit as the Kochs are,then one needs a lot of toilet paper.They should be forced to use course sandpaper wrapped around a rasp.

          • jackoooo

            Ignorant rant,

          • Mark Forsyth

            May they wipe their asses on your face!

          • jackoooo

            Same as my previous reply…. lol lol

          • lana ward

            Someone wiped their ass on Obamas’ face then. Flies love shit and they sure LOVE Obamas’ face!!!!

          • plc97477

            But funny.

          • jackoooo

            Funny but sad. He just lowers the gene pool EVERY time he comments!!

    • suddencall

      I believe that there should be a penalty for politico’s that deliberatly lie and mislead our citizens. Preferably a ten swipe beating with a blake snake cat of nine tongues , in his hometown square every Saturday for each daily occurance.

      • Mark Forsyth

        That’s Entertainment!!!

      • plc97477

        If they pay for attendance they could make up the loss of taxes too.

    • RobertCHastings

      I didn’t watch the Clinton presentation a few days ago, but it is about time that the Obama administration got people out on the stump explaining the ACA. The fact that relatively little has been done to explain this program to the general public since its passage is perhaps the greatest failing of this administration. And the lack of knowledge people have in general just makes it easier for them to believe the lies of Fox, et al. As in all things, the more information one has, the better decisions one can make.

      • jackoooo

        Robert
        He is busy getting ready to attack a sovereign nation 1/2 way around the globe. No time for Obama Care instructions. No time for a budget. No time to get job creation going. Then again it has only been 5r years.

        • RobertCHastings

          Then why is the Obama administration sending so many people out to speak about it around the country? Don’t you watch anything other than Fox News? The House is responsible for passing a budget (it’s in the Constitution), so don’t blame that on Obama. They have a passable budget sitting in their laps, if they would just pass it WITHOUT the ACA non-funding provisions.

          • jackoooo

            The Obama administration had control of the house and senate for 2 yrs. The budget could of been passed then, instead of delaying it over and over and over.
            Quit whining that tune.

          • elw

            Why don’t you ask the “do nothing” congress about that. Without them doing their part no budget gets past. You do realize that the Republicans have had control of the House since 2010 and still no budget, explain how that is the Presidents fault they should be passing their third budget the end of this year. You do realize they are past annually.

          • RobertCHastings

            For the first two years of his administration, Obama DID operate with a budget. If the Republicans would get over the ACA thing (their baby originally anyway) they could pass the budget (their budget) that they are dealing with. The president can make suggestions about budgetary matters; however, it is the House who initiates such legislation. Read the Constitution.

          • jackoooo

            That was Bush’s budget he operated on.

          • RobertCHastings

            So budgets are now effective for three years? When did that start. The last budget Bush operated under would have been enacted just a few months before the 2008 election. You are saying that this budget was effective into 2011? Somehow, I just don’t quite believe that.

          • jackoooo

            We have had at least 3 temporary budgets with Obama.
            Still waiting for a 4 yr. budget I think.

          • RobertCHastings

            Budgets are written for ONE year. In the Federal government, there is no three-year or four-year budget. The House is mandated by the Constitution to do the budget, while the president may make suggestions- in other words, the budget is THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOUSE. The House won’t even deal with the budget issues proposed by the Senate, or the Democrats in the House, because of the Hastert Rule, which requires the House majority party to bring to the floor ONLY those bills that a majority of that party would vote in favor of.

          • jackoooo

            The budget you talk about now, sucks. All it does is increase funding from the citizens of the U.S. The Chinese hold our bonds. We need to suck it up and lower the budget amount. Too many administrations got us into the mess. 17 trillion owed and a new war coming up does not cut it.

          • elw

            So why has the House of Representative failed to do that? They have the President version and one from the Senate.

          • jackoooo

            Same old answer. The Dems want to increase the budget amount. The Rep do not.
            No compromise.

          • elw

            The President cannot sign or veto anything if he does not get a bill past by both the house and senate. Right now that ball is in the hands of the House. They need to take a vote not point theirs fingers at the other branches of the Government.

          • old_blu

            They have a jobs bill on their desk as well.

          • RobertCHastings

            Sorry, I forgot about that one, although it has been waiting about as long as the budget bill, between three and four years.

          • old_blu

            Oh! Don’t be sorry you covered it very well my friend.

          • RobertCHastings

            Have we talked in this stream about how non-productive THIS Congress is, and just why they are the most UNPOPULAR Congress in history? Probably ought to save it for some other time.

          • plc97477

            We would probably need more than one stream to cover their total worthlessness.

          • old_blu

            No we haven’t but we always can there is not too many things that make me madder than those lazy SOBs.
            Sorry I took so long getting back to you I’ve been so busy at work I have to do this on my own time lately. Hahaha

          • RobertCHastings

            Boehner sent the House home about the middle of last month, and has scheduled them for nine working days this month, with so much to get done. I guess some of them are claiming Obama manufactured the crisis in Syria to get them back to DC, and Cruz will probably claim that Obama’s CIA detonated the chemical weapons over there, or it may be one of Michelle Bachman’s parting shots. We can come up with some of the stupidest shit, but they just seem to believe whatever it is. IF this post makes it to the blogosphere, I am sure I will have just spawned another conspiracy theory.

          • old_blu

            I think it’s funny the way this Syria thing is playing out now. It’s almost like President Obama knew all along what was going to happen and we all fell for it, and even funnier is the fact that Putin and Syria are both on board with us now, of course the GOP won’t spin it that way they will say that Putin bailed Obama out, but I think Obama knew exactly what was going on. And that’s the way it should be when the US threatens someone, there should be a little fear.

          • jackoooo

            Not what the House thinks it should be.

          • RobertCHastings

            And they won’t bring it to the floor unless a majority of the members of the party in the majority will approve it (Hastert Rule). What they are considering is something even their own members will not accept, the Ryan budget. Hell, if their own chairman of their budget committee cannot put together something the Republicans can agree to, no wonder they won’t even consider Obama’s proposals.

        • elw

          Do you honestly believe that the President is going to be directly involved with giving Obamacare instructions and does the budget and job creation on his own? if you do, you have no idea of what the Constitution and laws of the land require of each of the branches of Government.

          • jackoooo

            I guess the president just selects the title of the law and others instruct what it is about!

          • elw

            A better way of putting it is “What it becomes. That means input from all branches, it makes little difference what it is called ACA is compromise, if the only input was from the left we would be implementing a single payer system.

          • jackoooo

            When the health care plan came up no congressman knew the extent of it. It wasn’t written yet but Pelosi said to approve it and we would fill in the blanks later. The people we voted into congress approved the blank contract!!

            Two years later it was still being written. When it was almost finished the unions wanted out. The Congressional aids and staff wanted out. Many with political connections wanted out.

            And guess what? They were given exemptions.

            see below

            “The rule change will now allow Members and staff to receive a
            contribution from their employer toward the exchange plan, unlike other
            Americans participating in the exchange,” Snyder told us in an email.
            “Further, members and staff will not qualify for the same subsidies as
            other Americans. Therefore, Members and staff are treated differently
            than the Americans who fully participate in the exchange.”

            Snyder said that the “rule change reduced the cost of the plan for
            Members and staff by up to 75 percent and changed how the subsidies are
            applied as well. Those special exemptions, which apply only to Members
            of Congress and their staff, allows them relief from the full effects of
            the law.”

          • elw

            Jackooo, you need to stop talking about things you do not understand. Medicare is almost 60 years old and rules are still being change and tweaked, the same applies to Social Security. No one is being cheated, nothing unusual is happening. I helped implement President Bushes addition to Medicare, the prescription drug program, that one make this one look like a cake walk. Big National programs are complicated and have to have moving parts to ensure they are able to run in every location in the land.

      • elw

        Robert, it is so difficult to explain our very complicated healthcare system, even most healthcare providers find it confusing and do not understand how the Public Health Care Programs fit in and work with the Private sector. I worked in health care as a Health Educator for many decades and have watched and helped implement many new government programs over that time, it is never perfectly smooth and long after people have signed up and are well established in whatever program they are in, they still are unable to explain how their health care is paid for and by whom and the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. I am not saying we should give up, that should never happen, just that it takes an army of educators to get it done and time. In time the people in the exchanges will be just like the people on Medicare – militants the Right will not dare to take the exchanges from.

        • RobertCHastings

          Maybe not militants, but activists. When people understand what they have and how it works, the right will not be able to pry it from our cold, dead hands.

          • elw

            Agree, I was just being dramatic.

          • RobertCHastings

            I understand, and I agree with you 100% on that point.

        • Charlie McKenna

          Good points all. However there should be commercials on tv telling people how much better this is than what we had before. There should be sites for people to go to where everything should be explained in plain language. These things should be a starting point. Why has the administration let the republicants have all the talking points about the ACA?

          • elw

            I have already seen commercials on TV, I know that California already has a site for its exchange (each State will have its own) and am pretty sure the Feds will too. Public Health is pretty good about using plain language. I have no answer for you last question, it puzzle me as well.

          • plc97477

            Maybe cus they are busy governing. Something the repugs don’t need to worry about.

          • jackoooo

            The Dems will talk about Obamacare more after the election. They do not want a revolt now.

  • Canistercook

    Wonder why premiums are set by ‘age’ instead of ‘health’!

    • elw

      Because health is connected age.

  • Canistercook

    When an insurance salesman sells you insurance it is based on your health!

    • jackoooo

      Does that make sense to you?

  • howa4x

    Republicans have no alternative to Obamacare and that is the reason they want to sabotage the law. In the 8 yrs of Bush the health care program for the uninsured was to go to the emergency room for a head cold. This is the most expensive way to deliver health care and for a party that screams about taxes, the cost of this entry to the system will be paid for by the state’s taxpayers in the form of charity care. I think that republican house members or any who oppose the law should give up their lavish health benefits and go to the marketplace for health care. Republicans think it is ok for business to drop coverage plans for profit, so why are they keeping theirs? It is the height of hypocrisy to have the best benefits in the country and then ask others not to take advantage of the exchanges. I think we should start a movement for congress to give up benefits. Now there is something the tax cutting tea party can get behind. Think of the savings. 435 members of the House and 100 senators @ lets say $1,300/month for family coverage is around $711,500 /month savings. That’s over 8 million /yr. In this way congress can show leadership and restore the confidence of the country back in them for standing up for what they believe in. Bet they would never even think of it.

    • RobertCHastings

      As we have heard on so many occasions, Medicare/Obamacare was originally a conservative idea (The Heritage Foundation), and was enacted in Massachusetts by then-governor Mitt Romney, a conservative. The problem conservatives have with the ACA is that the BLACK man in the WHITE House got it through Congress, and he is NOT a conservative.

      • howa4x

        very true

      • jackoooo

        Stupid racist. The white man put the black man in the White House.

      • elw

        Actually Medicare was not a Conservative idea. The whole ideas of Social Welfare Programs (government sponsored retirement/accident and healthcare coverage paid by taxes) was born in Europe. The movement for it in this Country began in the early 1900s and was fought tooth and nail by the Conservative every step of the way which is why to has taken so long to even get to where we are todays. As much as the President skin color bothers Conservatives, this is one case where I think it has less to do with the Conservatives’ reaction than the habits they have formed in the close to hundred years of fighting Social Welfare Program. BTW, they are actually still using the same old arguments about the programs. They have no creativity or imagination.

  • turfdoctor2003

    This is a bunch of BULL! My rates are going up 25% according to the Covered California Web site’s price estimator program

    • patuxant

      “According to.’..means you have no first hand knowledge of how it applies to your personal situation. Get the facts first, man.

      • jackoooo

        pat
        It is a calculator for everyone to get an estimate of what they will pay.
        Even you. Look it up before you do what Bo did with Syria. Put his foot in his mouth!!

  • bikejedi

    Anybody that believes this will cut costs is seriously deluded or deluding themselves

    • BillP

      Jedi what are you basing your infinite wisdom on, any facts perhaps or just your humble opinion.

      • bikejedi

        Common sense and historical precedent to start with . Name one Govt program that has ever come in at cost ? Name one that has reduced or contained cost when it is being subsidized by Tax Dollars . Then there are the CBO projections which have been upped I think 4 times already and the current skyrocketing Insurance premiums

        • Mike Maricle

          How can you type when you can’t read?

          • bikejedi

            To what are you referring ? If I were a betting man I would bet that my reading comprehension as well as speed far exceeds yours .

        • jackoooo

          Many organizations are pulling out of Obama Care and they are getting permission to do so from the government.
          That means someone has to make up the $$$ difference. Any idea who?

          • bikejedi

            True that . There have been over 1400 exemptions to Obamacare all going to Liberal Businesses and Unions who supported Obama and the ACA . Those people are the FIRST ones who should be made to pay for it not the people who didn’t vote for Obama nor support it . If anything these are the people who shouldn’t be being forced to pay for it yet they are the only ones not getting exemptions . Even the Teamsters and several other major Private Unions have now written an open letter to Obama saying that the exemption for part timers will mean the end of the middle class . The IRS which is going to be charges with enforcing it wants an exemption for chrissakes where does it stop ?

          • bikejedi

            That would be producers in the Private Sector and the Companies that employ them . It seems the only people who like it are people in Public Unions who already get Tax Payer Health care and the people who are on welfare and food stamps

      • plc97477

        You should have said “very humble opinion”.

  • Allan Richardson

    I propose to the President that, should any state attempt to interfere with training or deploying of Obamacare Navigators to help sign people up, he should call up that state’s National Guard for federal duty, taking control away from that state’s Governor, and train and deploy those Guard members to act as Navigators for that state.

    For example, Georgia is planning to copy the exact test required to get a generic insurance agent’s license, label it “Obamacare Navigator” and require navigators to pass that test. With the Georgia National Guard under the DoD and President, military classrooms could be used to train them as Navigators, then they could be dispatched to sign up policyholders, and when the mission is completed, they would all have the credentials to open insurance agencies if they wish.

    Other states are planning to make it a crime under state law for any licensed insurance agent to help customers buy Obamacare policies. Since federal law overrides state law, a National Guard member deployed on active duty under the federal authority would be immune from prosecution, and would not be required to be a licensed agent under state law.

    Since this will arouse the ire of state politicians who are promoting “nullification,” this will prompt them to “put up or shut up.” They will not have the guts to defy their own voters (most of whom want to be Americans, not Confederates) and “fire on Fort Sumter” a second time.

    • RobertCHastings

      Allan, Allan, Allan. Many of them are ALREADY defying the will of their constituents.

      • jackoooo

        Robert
        Are you referring to the attack on Syria?

  • Mark Forsyth

    There would be a whole different story if there were not insurance for them and insurance for us.We are already not getting what we pay for with this miserable congress.Why should we tolerate them enjoying something better than we have if we are the ones paying for it..
    The motives of the g o p t are no secret when they are as blatantly ignorant and opposed to the betterment of the people as they are.They are blasting away with both barrels to destroy the ACA with negative propaganda and defunding attempts.They will find themselves suffering self inflicted wounds when it comes time for us to vote and I for one will show no mercy.

  • jnsgraphic

    The reason the GOP continues to sabotage ‘ObamaCARE’ is because they don’t want Americans to know it will be much less than expected. The Republican health plan costs more and is built around profit and treatment is secondary. Like everything for Republicans it always money first and people last; like private insurance companies they would rather gouge Americans than offer lower rates. Conservative Republican politicians would rather play partisan politics (and lie) than admit the truth. They don’t care that millions of Americans living in Republican states will suffer without health care coverage, or will be paying more for coverage than states with ‘ObamaCARE’

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    That’s odd…my 30 year old son is currently paying $193 per month for health insurance. When we visited the widely heralded (by the ACA folks) Kaiser Family Foundation website for ACA estimates, my son’s insurance goes from $193 per month to $454 per month? A 230% INCREASE in one year??? This essentially means a 30 year old will either pay almost $6000 per YEAR for health insurance OR pay the $2000 PENALTY (which is MORE than he’s paying now for coverage) to have NO HEALTH INSURANCE??? What is really happening here is that our CHILDREN are now expected to support the rest of the older population, when they are just getting started in life and can’t even support themselves??? Is this how you want your kids to face the future, paying for everyone else’s healthcare & support??

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