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Saturday, October 1, 2016

The time-tested tactic used by Republicans to deflect attention from their most unpopular positions — especially on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and taxes — is to cry “class warfare,” as if the workers were laying siege to the citadels of finance. It is a complaint that distracts from substantive debate and disguises the real vector of aggression against middle-class and low-income Americans over the past 30 years.

That old style of misdirection has gone stale, thanks to the emergence of audio and video clips that feature prominent Republican candidates voicing their true views… in private, of course. Caught on tape during those fleeting moments, they reveal intentions that they clearly believe most voters should never hear.

Mitt Romney’s ugly unguarded blather at a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser in Boca Raton — where he expressed scorn for the “47 percent” who supposedly pay no taxes, glom onto entitlements, and consider themselves “victims” — instantly became notorious when Mother Jones released a pirate videotape that went viral. His harsh (and highly inaccurate) words confirmed negative public opinion about him personally. But there is no shortage of fresh evidence, very little of which has received commensurate attention, that Romney’s remarks reflect core attitudes among the elite in his party.

Consider the audiotaped speech delivered by Romney’s running mate, Paul Ryan, when he appeared several years ago to pay homage to the late author Ayn Rand at a meeting of her acolytes in the Atlas Society. Although the Wisconsin congressman now insists that he disdains Rand, mostly because of her atheism, he can be heard on tape saying that he measures every important vote according to whether it advances her ideology of selfishness. He denounces Social Security and Medicare, which he constantly promises to “save” and “protect” in public, as “collectivist” schemes that violate individual freedom.

  • One of the most damaging political ads aired by the party that, purportedly, favors spending reductions claims that President Obama cut $716B from MEDICARE and Romney promises to restore the savings if elected! Its effectiveness is not because it is based on fact, or even logic, but because scaring seniors about the probability – real or perceived – of threats to Social Security or MEDICARE has always been a sure bet to get their votes.
    The alleged MEDICARE “cuts” came to light when the Congressional Budget Office sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner highlighting the fact that if the Affordable Care Act is repealed “spending for Medicare would INCREASE by an estimated $716 billion over the 2013–2022 period.” Thus, the “cuts” actually involve preventing a budget increase.
    The CBO assertion is based on the fact that the Affordable Care Act includes, among other things, greater control over disbursements to service providers. In essence, it limits the amount MEDICARE and MEDICAID will pay to hospitals and insurance companies, and eliminates duplication.
    The need to curb MEDICARE spending to keep the program solvent was influenced by out of control increases in medical care, demographics, a dwindling contributor/beneficiary ratio, a low fertility rate and the fact that Medicare Advantage per-patient cost is currently 117% of regular fee-for-service (MEDICARE pays more than it takes in). The Affordable Care Act limits reimbursement levels to the quality of care administered and patient satisfaction. The $716B savings during the next ten years will be realized by changes on how MEDICARE calculates reimbursements for services rendered with focus on slightly lower rates. Hospitals and insurance companies agreed to the billing cuts because they realized the losses would be offset by the influx of new paying patients as a result of the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion (mandate). Smaller savings will also be achieved by reducing the amount hospitals get from the government when they care for uninsured patients in ERs, again, as a result of ACA.
    MEDICARE benefits to retirees are not affected by these savings, in fact, they are being expanded. The infamous doughnut hole will be eliminated, RX co-pays lowered, and the $716B in savings over the next ten years will strengthen MEDICARE and help keep the program solvent.
    The cynicism exhibited by the GOP on this issue reaches epic proportions when we consider that the Ryan budget enthusiastically embraced the MEDICARE savings to comply with mandatory spending reductions. The question that begs to be asked is: is the GOP still in favor of spending reductions? Better yet, do they know what they stand for?

    • William Deutschlander

      Thank you for telling this matter truthfully.

      I love Obamacare!

    • YepThatTell

      It’s amazing – and dismaying – to realize how m any times this myth has been roundly and widely debunked, and yet the GOP mouthpieces still repeat it. Ryan notably repeated it at the AARP convention. Although there was a sprinkling of polite applause when he played the ‘Mom’ card, I am gratified to know that his overall message did not resound with those in attendance, who made their disdain quite clear.

      • Ed

        As Hitler stated in Mein Kampf; “A lie, repeated often enough, becomes truth!”

        • YepThatTell

          The GOP perfected the technique and proved Hitler correct. And they know exactly what they are doing.
          MargAnn Turnipseed

          • Pay attention to the debates and see who has been spewing crap. Obama would not know the truth if it hit him in the face.

          • daniel bostdorf

            Hi Butch…..must be a friend of carsrus?
            You are a demented right wing fascist propagandist that has no original ideas.
            You spread lies, upon lies thinking those of us here really take you seriously.
            We don’t I assure you…

            This article is about the Republican’s candor that reveals the party core.

            Quoting Conason:

            “Obnoxious, offensive, extreme — such blurted gaffes used to be heard mainly from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who need not worry whether he can win over a majority of the electorate. But the advent of the Tea Party, with its far-right agenda and insistence on purity, has given full voice to the GOP’s core crankiness. These are people who proudly pour vitriol on families surviving through unemployment and food stamps. Naturally, Republican worthies like Ryan, Thompson, and McMahon protest, usually via paid spokespersons, that they would never, ever damage America’s most vital programs, and that their empathy for the struggles of the middle class is boundless. Amazingly, they seem to think nobody heard what they candidly told their Tea Party supporters. And if anyone mentions those embarrassing tapes, they will scream ” class warfare.” It just may not work this year.”

            It won’t work this year. And Mitt’s not fit to be president…

            Butch: read this and learn:

            Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

            “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

            or as Adolph Hitler stated:
            “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

            Keep lying to us Butch.

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          • Obviously, you are the one who has difficulty recognizing the truth if it hit you in the face

          • YepThatTell

            Obviously you have NOT been paying attention for a few years. Good luck.

        • you liberals better wise up. This is your America Obama is trashing as well. Explain the 47 million on food stamps-the 16 trillion debt-he added 6 trillion in 4 yrs-gas prices were $1.84 when he took over-26 million out of work-he says he added jobs but his number of job does not keep up with the population growth-few less working today than when he took office-the guy is a total bust. He has to go. If you care about your family and friends then wise up.

      • Don

        Ryan even asked as early as 2010 in a letter to the proposed ACA [Obamacare], that he wanted in for the Seniors in Wisconson, and got a reply back from the Medicare people that it would be considered, and I have copies of both letters.

        • Obama care will take us all to the poor house. As of today they said it already is costing us over $2500.00 ea and Obama said it would save each of us $2500.00. What a big lie. Just like everything he does.

      • daniel bostdorf

        Precious Moments of Republican Candor Reveal The Party’s Core:

        There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

        – Mitt Romney

        “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” ~Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, (R-Ky.), October 2010

        Rove:

        Rove told the gathering of 70 top donors, which included billionaires and hedge fund managers such as John Paulson, that focus groups and polls show that attacking Obama as a “a far-out left-winger” does not persuade independent voters.

        “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you,” Rove said, according to Bloomberg.

        At one point, he joked about taking out Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin, whose assertion that women rarely get pregnant from a “legitimate rape” have caused Republicans no end of grief.

        “We should sink Todd Akin,” Rove quipped. “If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!”

        The FBI recently opened an investigation into a threat against Akin, a Missouri congressman.

        “I’m sure Karl misspoke,” said Akin spokesman Rick Tyler. “But we forgive him.”

        Rove also told the assembled crowd that the two Crossroads groups aimed to spend $300 million in 2012, with $200 million for the presidential race, $70 million for the Senate and $32 million for the House.

        Crossroads president Steven Law asked the donors to ante up with more contributions, saying they were two-thirds of the way to their goal.

        More Rove:

        Have you eaten at White Castle recently? Or caught a movie at Regal Cinemas?
        If so, you may be unwittingly helping finance right-wing attack ads.
        That’s because many of the country’s most common brands are run by rich conservatives who are using their personal wealth to bankroll outside spending groups that are running attack ads smearing progressives. From Marriott Hotels to Brawny paper towels, and from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Coachella music festival, corporate executives at these organizations have given millions of dollars to groups like Mitt Romney’s Super PAC Restore Our Future.
        Some corporations, like Waffle House, give direct donations to conservative attack ad groups like Karl Rove’s American Crossroads.

        Koch Brothers:

        Angel Soft toilet paper is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

        Brawny paper towels is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

        Dixie cups is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

        Georgia Pacific is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

        Ominous warning unheeded:

        Dwight Eisenhower in 1960:

        “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

        We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

    • Yet Romney And Ryan Still Lie That’s Why I Will Never Vote For The GOP/Tea Party Ever In Life That’s All They Do Is Tell Lies!! Thank You Again As Always Dominick!!

      • bf

        I generally go back and forth between both parties. The reason is, I don’t trust either party. Both parties spew lies just to get their party’s candidate elected. The biggest problem facing America today is off-shoring but neither candidate will stop it. Barack promised to stop it four years ago and hasn’t even given stopping it a try. Mitt, obviously isn’t going to stop it. And the reason why is they will put all of our big businesses out of business. So more Americans are going to lose their jobs so we can send their jobs overseas. While these companies are saving money, the quality of the work being done is going down drastically. When I hear any from either party make a comment that they will never vote for anyone of the opposite party, whether Democrat or Republican, you are the reason why America is failing! Neither party is completely correct in their agendas. For every issue, the answer lies some where between both parties. I would never agree to America making abortion legal over all but I do feel there are cases where it should be. I support same sex marriage. I welcome people coming to America to make America their home providing the adopt the ways of America. But when you come here to simply take from our country and not ever give back, that is where I draw the line. I have my concerns about Romney but Barack isn’t above my concerns as well. Over the passed year, it is obvious he is more about foreigners than he is keeping America safe. For me, it all comes down to the debates. But while I am questioning the future of America with both candidates as Presidency, the big difference I have to consider is Barack already is President and Mitt as yet to be President. Therefore, the past 4 years will play a big factor in who I vote for this election! I intend to vote as smart as possible and not stick to a party out of loyalty. Our future depends on the best person for America being President.

        • President Obama proposed punishing companies that outsource jobs overseas and rewarding those that invest and create jobs in the USA. The GOP rejected his proposal, ostensibly because it would affect the ability of their donors to maximize profits by moving operations abroad and impair their ability to pursue opportunities in expanding economies. Our Presidents don’t have dictatorial powers and, on issues like this, it is up to Congress to follow up, pass the laws needed to protect our security and well being, and appropriate the funding needed to support and enforce the new law (s).

          • CPANY

            Outsourcing jobs overseas should be classified by new legislation as economic treason and be punished as treason.

        • That’s Your Lying Ass Business, Romney Running To Help Himself Get More Money And To Help His Wealthy Handlers, There’s A Memo I Got Out For Tea Bagging Assholes Like You Don’t Talk To Me I Don’t Care To Hear Your Tea Bagging Bullshit Go Catch Up With Your Crowd I’m Sure Sarah Palin And Michele Bachmann Is Posting Somewhere On The Internet Catch Up With Them You Nothing But Another Low Life Ass Kisser Of The Rich Men!!! Romney Been Gutting Out And Selling Out The American People For A Living Also He A Largely The Reason Why Monsanto Is The Giant Biotech Corporation It Is Today You Know Monsanto The One Who Put The Poison In Our Food Daily All Over The World!!! So You can Keep It Moving Tea Bagging TROLL!!!

        • You Think Double Down On Bush Trickle Down Polices Will Help This Country??? Only People Believe That Are Brain Dead Tea Bagging Home Schooled TROLL LIKE YOU!! You Can Go Back To Kissing Koch Brothers Asses And Catch Up With Your Fox Fake News Crowd!!!

        • Justin Napolitano

          The best person, bf?
          Romney’s real feelings and ideas are shown over and over in his candid conversations with rich people like himself.
          The idea that the middle class can be rebuilt from the top has been disproved, over and over. The only way to rebuild the middle class is by rebuilding the middle class directly and that is the difference between Obama and Romney. The idea that since he was a businessman qualifies him as President is laughable. If corporate raiding and leveraged buy outs were the needed credentials then fine but government does not and will never be run like private business.

        • 345_719

          where do you get that Obama is for foreigners.?

          o

          • bf Is Just Another Lying Rat Bastard, Just Like The GOP/Tea Party American Taliban Members!!! That’s All They Do Is Lie!! It Seems They All Earn They Masters Degrees In Lying And Chaos!!

        • Gammaanya

          Bf – President do not have ultimate power to do anything with out House approval. They filibuster everything that is good for the country. They want Obama out, no matter what the price. Any person with a little common sense and intelligence will know that Repukes done nothing to improve the economy. They lie about ACA, as much as possible. Only naive, gullible and simply indiferent will fall for this crap. They keep saying , they want to take the country back – Who took it – from whom???
          We all swim in this ocean, some are good swimmers some don’t. There is nothing wrong being rich, kudos, but it’s bad when you aquire richness on the back sof others. Everything grows from roots up not from the top down. Remeber one thing – USA GOV. is not a business and can not be run as such. Please learn how bankruptcy works and when you can make millions and pay ZERO TAXES. ROMNEY WILL NEVER CREATE 12 MILLIONS JOBS. NEVER. IT’S A BIG LIE!! Maybe in China not in USA.
          Supply and demand create jobs. When middle class don’t have the money to blow, economy will recover slowly. Little secret. Most Corp. and billionaires keep their money offshore – most European banks pay -7-9% interest on min, dep. of 100 in that country currency.
          Just pray that NONE of the countries in the world will use their own currency in trade. If that happened – we are GONERS.

    • chisolm

      Your elogquent explanation of Obamacare fails to mention the myriad of tax increases imbedded in the law, that will be paid by all. Cutting payments to medical providers will only drive some providers out of business or they will merely refuse to provide services to those on Medicare/Medicaid. Ever heard the term rationing?

      • The losses that hospitals and insurance companies will incur as a result of more effective claim management is offset by the influx of new paying customers brought into the picture by the ACA mandate. Neither the hospitals nor the insurance industry has threatened MEDICARE beneficiaries with rationing, not only because they are likely going to benefit from a broader customer base but because competition would put those who do out of business. I suspect the reason the medical industry has been so quiet on the changes that are taking place is because they see opportunities emerging starting in 2014.

        • chisolm

          It won’t be the hospitals or insurance industry rationing it will be the government bureacrats. Ask a Canadian how long it takes to get knee replacement procedures?

          • Comparing our healthcare system – now and after ACA takes effect in 2014 – to those in countries like Canada or the UK, does not make sense. In the UK medical professionals work for the government, the government owns hospitals and labs, and it administers the entire system. In the USA our doctors, nurses and technicians are private practice professionals, our medical facilities are private institutions and the system is administered by insurance companies. And yet, our British friends like their system so much they highlighted during the Olympics opening ceremonies! I have relatives in the UK, Sweden and Spain and none of them would trade their healthcare system for ours.

          • 345_719

            Speaking of knee replacement. I had a knee replace ment done. The hospital charged $2000,00 perday for four days,plus food,plus medication,plus theropy,and on the end of the bill $80,000.00 misolanious!!! Things like this will be cut out with the NAC.

          • Gammaanya

            I had 2 surgeries on one knee to a tune to 109K. Capped only not even replacement. Now I buzz at the airports. LOL

          • Rob

            Knee replacement procedures are so 20th Century. My sister had stem cell treatment and is 100% after a month. Too bad that the FDA hasn’t approved this 21st Century treatment.

          • Gammaanya

            I used emergency facilities in France, Germany, Poland, Jordan and I had to leave an employee in Jordan for a month because she had emergency heart surgery. Cost -$45K. Imagine how much would be here. You can’t compare US to other countries.
            France, Israel, Germany have the best healthcare. People will not trade for anything. Don’t believe everything you hear about other countries even Greece – Austerity is the key why Greece is is trouble – exactly what Republicans wants to do here.
            I suggest travel a little????Even CHina have good health care provoded by Gov.

        • chisolm

          Can you rebut the comment about the myriad of taxes imbedded in the ACA?

          • VulpineMac

            Sure. Just as soon as you demonstrate that there ARE a myriad of tax increases embedded in the ACA.

          • I will first have to know what the “myriad of taxes imbedded in the ACA” are all about. Personally, I don’t mind paying a little more in taxes if that results in the elimination of the MEDICARE donut hole, lower RX copays, and affordable healthcare for everyone, but since the only thing I have been able to find in the ACA package involves lower premiums and containment of medical costs it is hard for me to rebut something that is not evident to me.

          • 345_719

            Can you you back up your claim?

          • Gammaanya

            Are you talking about the penalty tax??? It’s NOT a TAX. It was explained before, Under the commerce clause that Congress passed was worded as a penalty ($95 a year or 1% of adj.income) but under US Constitution was unconstitutional so the Spreme Court rewrote the penalty under US Constitution as a tax to make it constitutional. Don’t worry you won’t be charged any penalties/taxes. Beside if you can’t afford to purchase ACA you will be getting a credit to help you buy it. The saving 0f est. $716M will come from cuts to providers, doctors, hospitals, med. equipment mafg co etc. From those who cheat or double bill Medicare. ACA actaully will create more jobs, clerical, nursing, equip. manufact. more people will seek help etc. More small clinic will be open to help defray the cost of emergency care. It would be cheaper to treat broken arm in a small clinic than a big . Hospita, Do some research.

          • chisolm

            You need to do some research, google aca taxes for a list of taxes included in the bill. Consider, also, that corporations aren’t taxed, consumers are. Eventually, we will all be taxed in one form or another, even those not paying income taxes. In addition, services will be reduced, there will be a shortage of doctors willing to participate in Medicare/Medicaid, hospitals will require government support to remain open, the CBO doubled their estimate of the true cost of the ACA and most important, choice in medical care will be reduced.

          • Gammaanya

            I suggest YOU look a little closer, need a copy???

      • chisolm, you are assuming that all hospitals and providers actually earn those payments. Far too many just want to keep the patient coming back, in order to keep the medicare dollars flowing in. My husband’s doctor had him coming in every 2 weeks, for a diagnosis of high blood pressure. Of course he billed Medicare for each procedure, which consisted of taking his pressure, and a “consultation”. The doc scared him so bad that we went to a different doc, who put him on light meds, and said “I’ll see you for a checkup next year.” This is the sort of thing we need to correct. Doctors should be rewarded for how healthy they keep patients, not per every visit.

        • Sadly, most seniors have similar stories to tell. The problem with the current system is not that MEDICARE is inefficient, but that there is widespread fraud on the service provider side. Like you said, one doctor orders multiple tests and prescribes a dozen different meds, the next says you are fine and suggests you stop taking some of the meds you are taking!

      • Ed

        “We must be afraid, very afraid”.

        • chisolm

          When government mandates their help we should all be afraid, very afraid.

          • Since I had and paid for my healthcare insurance my entire life, I am not afraid of a mandate that forces irresponsible Republicans to do the same, instead of getting socialist freebies in ERs.

          • Same Here The Only Ones Complaining Is The One Who Go To The ER When Something Wrong Then We Have To Pay For Their Medical Needs With High Insurance Cost!!! Or We Pay When The Doctors Raise Their Fees!!

          • neece00

            I recently heard Mitt during an interview that his solution for the uninsured is the Emergency Room. Boy is he out of touch!

          • Justin Napolitano

            I could agree more. The Republicans are all talk. They say we should be more personally responsible but then say there should not be a mandate. The word hypocritical must not exist in their vocabulary.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Except, chisolm, that providers are not going to ignore one hundred 30 million Americans and try to confine their services to the other 190 million.
        That would be suicide. Medical services have to be managed; we can not continue on the course we have been on for 30 years and the Affordable Care Act is the first real attempt to do just that. There may have to be adjustments made to the ACA but what legislation has ever been passed that didn’t need changes in time?

        • President Obama acknowledged, shortly after signing ACA that the new law was not perfect and that changes and adjustments would have to be made as we go along. Major changes in direction on an issue as important as healthcare must be made incrementally, and the way I see it ACA is just that, a first step towards a better and more cost effective healthcare system. The old system was unfair, expensive, and stifled the ability of American corporations to compete. I suspect that most Republicans oppose the change because of ideological considerations, rather than a pragmatic evaluation of what it does and its positive impact on our society and our economy. Public opinion will change within a couple of years of ACA being fully implemented; the GOP knows that and that is precisely why they are trying to kill it.

      • 345_719

        Bull shit!!!!

    • Don

      How did Obama get all this money froma Republican House. They would have to send it to the Senate, and then onto the White House.?

      • The short answer is that Obama did not get any money from anybody. The $716B in savings involves PROJECTED expenditures over the next ten years. The House welcomed the savings with opened arms because it helped them meet their own demands when they agreed to raise the national debt ceiling with spending reductions as a condition for not letting the USA default on its debt. As it happens so often,there is a huge difference between feel good solutions to satisfy the naive and the painful realities of eliminating government programs that are popular among large segments of our population. Again, the ACA savings were like a gift from Heaven for Republicans in the House who were horrified by the prospect of cutting programs… and losing their jobs.

    • When you read the Obama care, for seniors getting up in the 70’s they will be refused certain care. They are too old and it would be a waste of money on procedures at their age. The problem is when you do get older you need more medical help. I could not believe it but take the time to read it. I guess when you hit your 70’s just lay down and die because you are not going to get any help from ObamaCare. What a joke. He has to go.

  • AlfredSonny

    What should we make out of women supporting the Republicans who have voted and insulted them?
    Non-liberated women?
    Passive women?
    Submissive women?
    Masochists?

    • Submissive accounts for half of it. Women who married money or are otherwise well off and follow the same “I’ve got mine, you’re on your own” mantra that Romney / Ryan adhere to.

      And the other half are psychotic; morons who violate every commandment in the Bible except for gay sex and yet cannot for the life of them shut up about how much of a Christian they are.

      • JohnEngelman

        I have read the Bible from cover to cover eight times including the Apocrypha, in seven English translations. Everything it says in condemnation of homosexual behavior can fit into a large paragraph. It has far more to say expressing concern for the poor, and condemnation of the rich.

        The Old Testament prophets argued that one of the reasons King David’s empire declined and fell was the oppression of the poor by the rich.

        • neece00

          I have not read the Bible to that extent but I do wonder if these words are all just subject to interpretation.

          • latebloomingrandma

            I think the Old Testament’s decrying of sexual matters had more to do with lust than love, as lust and randomness of sex is exploitative and they figured out that it had something to do with disease. The New Testament’s emphasis is on the love of fellow man. Jesus never discussed homosexuality, but did call for us to love and care for one another.

          • neece00

            Your comment about love and care for one another is what I don’t understand. Where does the hate come from with regard to the group that are against Barack because he is black. I want to say to them “that is not very Christian”.

        • daniel bostdorf

          Does anyone remember the allegory of the “Tower of Bable?”
          “God came down to see what they did and said: “They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do.” So God said, “Come, let us go down and confound their speech.” And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel “because God there confounded the language of all the Earth” (Genesis 11:5–8).’
          Sounds like Facebook, Youtube, Twitter to me?
          Actually—Fox FAUX News appllies eh? 🙂

    • YepThatTell

      I call them the Stepford Wives.
      And ditt0 re: Michael Ross’ comment.

    • jarheadgene

      Add one more category….Stepford Stupid.

  • I have said that there has been class warfare for the last 20 years and the rich are winning. Much of that is due to the Bush tax cuts and now the Republicans want to double down with a new round of tax cuts for the rich. That video accurately potrayed Romney’s attitude toward that segment of our population. Unfortunately this attitude is wide spread among the Republican leadership.

    • atc333

      I find it very depressing that the Voters have not picked up on the fact that the top 2% have now accumulated over 44% of all the wealth and assets of America, up from only 8% in 1968, and the top 10% now own 90% of all the wealth of America. They also fail to comprehend that the GOP has given us 3 GOP Presidential Administrations imposing “trickle down” economics, and “deregulaition” which has substantially contributed to the GOP’s “redistribution” of wealth to the non performing “job creators” and almost 10 Trillion of our current deficits. Many seem to be oblivious to the fact that over the past 52 years, the GOP has created less than half as many jobs as the Democratic Administrations have, and historically, the Democrats have had to rebuild our economy following a GOP collapse.

      Now we have the remnants of the late, great GOP attempting to sell failed trickle down economics one more time, seemingly claiming that “this time it will work”. It comes with a huge price tag, another 5 plus trillion dollars in deficits as they push the “marvelous” Ryan/Romney budget. as a Solution for America.

      The Solution for America would be simply to vote out of office any politician who executed the Norquist “no new taxes pledge” out of office, and vote against any who are running. They have put winning and failed political theory over Nation.

      This is the New GOP.

      • VOTE That The Way To Get What You Feel Done VOTE Get Everyone You Know To Vote Against All GOP/Tea Party American Taliban Members!! VOTE!! Every Election Is Important And All Votes Counts!!!

      • neece00

        And it is unbelievable that people buy that stuff. It is hard for me to understand where their minds are.

      • Dave_dido

        I agree, atc333, that it is very discouraging that most people don’t seem to get the significance of the wealth transfer that you point out. Last night I heard Donald Trump in an interview saying that the very wealthy “already pay a lot in taxes.” And so they should! If we were to break it down like an insurance actuary would, the very wealthy should be paying 90% of all taxes since they control 90% of the wealth. We are nearing the endgame of capitalism. Unless we find a way to strengthen the middle class, I’m afraid the disenfranchised will turn to violent revolution. Nobody really wants that, but if greed prevails and the likes of the Kochs keep turning the screw on the working class, that’s exactly where we are heading. Some superwealthy people are smart enough and compassionate enough to see this. The ones who don’t see it are blinded by greed or ideology.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          The top 1% of earners ALREADY PAY almost 90% of all US taxes…better do some reading on the US tax situation…HIGHEST CORPORATE TAXES in the WORLD! That’s why companies OUTSOURCE….

          • Dave_dido

            “Dream along with me….” That was a song that Perry Como used for his T.V. show theme song back in the early 60’s. You might want to consider making it yours and the far right’s theme song because your narrative is a real farout dreamworld.
            The top 1% pay around 38% of all taxes, not 90%. Now when you consider that they own approximately 34% of the wealth in the U.S., I’d say they’re not getting such a bad deal. The real bargain comes in for the top 5% who pay about 59% of all taxes but own 62% of the wealth.
            Now here’s a real zinger for you, Mr.MCT: The bottom 40% of earners own only .2% of the wealth. Do you really think they should have to pay taxes when they own next to nothing?
            Regarding the corporate tax, I have previously commented but will try to summarize briefly. Yes, the corporate tax rate is high compared to other countries, but other countries are not the USA. We have by far the largest GDP in the world. As a percentage of GDP the U.S. has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world. What does this mean in practical terms? It means that when you open a business in the U.S. you get all the advantages of everything that the world’s largest economy has to offer. That large economy requires support systems in order to function: transportation, mail delivery, communication systems, educated workforce, patent office, legal system, environmental protections, health and human services depts,commerce depts., etc, etc. It takes a whole lot of money to make the economy run smoothly. Now the corporate taxes pay about 14% of the entire revenue of our government. Don’t you think they should help pay for all those expensive systems that help them make lots of money? Sure, they could go to Estonia and pay no corporate tax. But it seems to me most businesses people would rather drive a Cadillac than a Yugo! Caddies cost more than Yugos.
            “Dream along with me, I’m on my way to the stars”.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Your “numbers” don’t add up…..You say the top 5% pay 59% of all taxes, but top 1% pay only 34%…the ntop 1% are ALREADY in the top 5%…add the two figures together (59% +34%) and you’re closer to being correct, although a few point high.

          • Dave_dido

            Perhaps I should clarify. The top 1% earners pay 38% of total personal taxes. The next 4% of earners pay an additional 21% of total personal taxes for a total of about 59% for the top 5%.I hope this clarifies. I will double-check my figures with the IRS and, if I’m way off, I’ll get back to you.But I think the numbers I used are pretty close. If you have other info, please let me know your source so I can check it out.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Hi Dave, I think we were both wrong…The CBO says the top 20% of earners pay 67.9% of all US taxes. I thought more, but still a massive amount. Thanks for the follow-up.

    • CPANY

      Hopefully, the poor and the middle class will wake uo and throw the rich bastards out of office.

    • Gerald I agree that it is unfortunate that any segment of society feels that Mitten’s attitude is commendable or even that it is worth talking about. I do want to point out the inevitable up side to their short sighted support of the ultra rich. OK I already hear Fern warming up her trool speech so I better get this out quick. THE UPSIDE…they are counting on angry old white men to vote in droves and they will but angry old white men are getting very scarce these days and by 2016 even more so and by 2020 if the repubs don’t change their tune significantly they will be an odd antiquated footnote in history with no real powerbase and no electoal following whatsoever. BTW I also believe we are only 3-5 generations from all being a lovely shade of tan with slightly slanted eyes and a big perfect smile that says “Look Mom no race!!!”

      Oh and one more thing for the “Be very afraid..” crowd “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind” 2 Tim 1:7KJV, you psuedo christians should actually read that book you wave around when you are yelling at gay people…lots of good stuff in their if you just get past the cover.

  • msrita

    I just want this to be over. I sick of commercials and sick of Robme/Lying Ryan

  • Jim Lou

    Crying wolf too often is going result in the ignoring of the message.

  • Calling efforts to narrow the financial gap that exists between the super rich and mainstream American class warfare is an overt attempt to preserve the class warfare won decades ago by the elite at the expense of 90% of Americans.

    • daniel bostdorf

      So what?
      Do you have any solution?

      You state:

      “Calling efforts to narrow the financial gap that exists between the super rich and mainstream American class warfare is an overt attempt to preserve the class warfare won decades ago by the elite at the expense of 90% of Americans.”

      Have you ever read the writings of Gandi and Martin Lurther King on poverty and economic justice?

      Gandi: ““Poverty is the worst form of violence.”

      KING in 1964:

      ““It is a tragic mix-up when the United States spends $500,000 for every enemy soldier killed, and only $53 annually on the victims of poverty.”

  • JohnEngelman

    Accusing the Democrats of waging class war is like accusing a woman of rape when she fights back.

    • JSquercia

      Indeed one of the BEST protest signs I have seen said “They only call it CLASS WAR when we FIGHT BACK .

  • The cat is out of the bag. The end of SS and Medicare that’s the kind of America Repubicans envision. Don’t forget to vote, esspecially if you’re a supporter of the President. If you don’t vote that’s like voting for Romney/ Ryan

    • neece00

      And if you don’t support Barack, then you can stay home and have another beer.

  • carsrus

    U are all libitard FOOLS! The three areas U so stupidly picked, Medicar Miedicaid and Social Security are UNSUBSTAINABLE in present fashion!Obama, that marxist-maoist muslim SHILL of a non-president, has spend US just about into bankrupcy. Yet, fool, that u r, want to continue down the raod to total DESTRUCTIN! WE, the PEOPLe are planning on RIDING this Great Constitutional Republic of this fetid “enemy from within”, Obama. and the rest of u left wing, commie fools!

    • This sight would not be complete without you, the circus coming into town, thanks for the amusement. You sound so skin head.

    • latebloomingrandma

      Gotta love the intelligent, persuasive posters. Taking a break from washing the sheets?

    • You certainly prove the need for more spending on education. Please remember that much of that debt is due to Bush not reporting what he was spending on his wars and some other activities. Obama, at least, has been spending to try and improve the economy that Bush drove down into recession.

    • Social Security is paid up for about ten more years. It was robbery of the account to pay for unnecessary wars that made the biggest dent in it.
      The military-industrial complex has waved the false flag of war (Gulf of Tonkin lie for Viet Nam, Incubator Babies lie for the First Gulf War, 9/11 and the anthrax lies for Iraq and Afghanistan) repeatedly.
      When the communist threat died, they had to have something. What better than our ancient fear and hatred of the Muslims, despite the fact they are also descendents of Abraham, believe in the Old Testament and the Ten commandments? They have the oil, so unlike Viet Nam, there’s an added bonus besides just war-profiteering to attacking them – in a very unChristian-like way, I might add.
      These wars have stolen more money and lives from the middle-class than even Mitt Romney style vulture capitalism.
      Romney is set to join his buddy Bibi Nutty Yahu in another big money maker – the attack of Iran. We have to try to stop him from getting the Presidency for that reason alone.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Maynard, there has been no raiding of Social Security or Medicare funds. Excess contributions, by law, have to be invested in special issue treasuries. The SS fund has about 2.7 trillion dollars in these treasuries which also happen to pay interest.
        These treasuries are just like any other government bonds that you buy individually or that pension funds and other countries buy from the US government.
        There has never been any raiding and the fund is sound for about 25 more years without any adjustments.
        I do agree that we need to stop going to war. I somethings think we are the most warring country on earth and it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to continue to pay for them, ezpecially since the cost is mostly born by the middle and lower classes.

      • VulpineMac

        You’re not helping matters, Maynard. While I agree with your first sentence, the next paragraph leaks like a sieve.
        Viet Nam: The French lost control of their colony and begged us for help. I’ll grant we should never gotten in as deep as we did, but as I remember it was a Republican who put is in there.
        First Gulf War was not “Incubator Babies” but rather an overt invasion of an ‘allied’ country by Iraq that sent us in there.
        9/11/01 was by no means a lie–I do believe every one of us remember watching the Twin Towers collapse. The lie was in putting the blame on a country when we needed to focus all our efforts on the real cause.
        Afghanistan was a different lie–outrage at the Taliban’s destruction of historical artifacts that–quite honestly–we should have ignored militarily. Both of those wars again were instigated by a Republican who had to lie and cheat in order to get the ‘permission’ to declare.

        Do we belong in the Middle East at all? No. Not militarily. Be can’t go back to where we were, but we certainly need to back out and let those people settle their own conflicts without us. We may not like the outcome, but quite honestly we’re not the world’s police force. We have enough troubles on our own shores.

    • If you are a representation of the kind of people who support Republicans, then you can thank yourself for convincing me to vote for our President. I don’t want people with hatred and contempt in their heart for the majority of Americans, to be running our country. Your vitriolic hatred for our President is showing through more than your argument for policy.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Gee, carsus you are foaming at the mouth much earlier than usual.
      SS, Medicare and Medicaid are the three most popular programs ever legislated and help, at least, one third of the US population. I am sorry that you want to live in a society that advocates social Darwinism but the rest of us like being civilized and taking care of each other. I, like many Americans paid into SS and Medicare for many years and are grateful these programs exists. Without them many would be poor, homeless. ill and hopeless.
      One other thing, these programs are sustainable but we will have to decide whether we want to continue a massive and unsustainable military and corporate welfare which helps those with the most or re-balance the needs of middle class Americans against the wants of the rich and powerful.

    • VulpineMac

      If only you would listen to the truth instead of believing the emotional outbursts of people who want to put you into those could’ya shacks you see in the woods. If you’re living there now, why is that? Did the people you’re trying to support help you in any way to make a better life for yourself?

      If you want to go back to the Dark Ages where everything you did was for the baron that owned your land (you didn’t own it) then go ahead–but don’t even think of taking me back there with you.

    • You are so full of hatred for the President that I cannot possibly take your hateful rant serious at all. You guys can’t argue or debate on substance, only lies and name-calling. Romney got caught baring his real feelings for the middle class and poor. and if anyone is a fool it’s you! You’ve bought into the lies based on your own bigotry and now all you’re left with is calling the president names. As the President stated, he gets called every name in the book 24-7; so he is good as brushing it off. As far as lefties being commies, you don’t even know what a communist is.

    • CPANY

      Your poor grammar is exceeded by your execrable spelling.

  • Romney & Ryan: “Who are you going to believe, us or our lying videos!?

  • The Republican/Tea Party folks are not serious about budget cuts so long as defense spending remains off the table. Defense contracts are our #1 form of corporate welfare.

  • The Republican Party has become expert at putting out a ten second lie that takes rational people such as Dominick Vila ten minutes to disprove. They know that if they repeat these lies enough it is like planting a minefield. Some of them will go off and do their dirtywork.
    Thanks to the tapes we have of them in their moments of candor, the public is getting a better understanding of their true aim. Their heartfelt goal seems to be: to wrest as much money as they can from wherever they can find it.
    Mitt enjoys firing people and especially sending those deposits from their livelihood to Swiss Bank Accounts. He believes in tax deductible charity as long as it doubles for church contributions that he thinks will buy his way to salvation.
    The Republicans in general show as much concern for the general well-being as a bunch of kids at a pinata party when the pinata breaks.

  • Ed

    OR IT MIGHT! You have to remember, a large number of people are not voting for the republican, they are voting against OBOMA; AKA; N****r

  • bf

    Those of us paying into Social Security with the idea that we might not see any be there for us hate it as well. The only people happy with it are those who have benefited from it. And government workers pay in to social security knowing they will never get a dime from it. They are not allowed to recieve Social Security. Social Security was a good idea handled badly! It needs to be replaced by a much better system!

    • CPANY

      Those government workers who pay into Social Security get Social Security benefits.

  • Justin Napolitano

    bf, If you paid Social Security taxes you are eligible to collect Social Security benefits; it is as simple as that. Stop making inaccurate statements. Social Security has enough money in its coffers, coupled with tax income to pay full benefits for 25 years. With just a small change in income and a better economy the time frame for solvency will be even greater. Within the next ten years small changes may need to be made but Social Security will be available to everyone that paid into it for a long time, provided that wall street doesn’t get its hands on the funds.

    • VulpineMac

      In other words, you expect to die before you ever get a chance to realize any benefit from Social Security, so you don’t care that nobody else can get the benefits they paid for.

      Changes need to be made NOW so that the people paying into it NOW can benefit from it when they retire.

    • Paul Ryan says if you are age 55 and under, you get a voucher; so the statement is not entirely inaccurate. I will turn 56 at the end of 2012 so under the Ryan Plan, I would just make the cutoff, while my brother, who will turn 55 in November, gets a voucher! He paid into social security since age 15 but if he lives long enough to retire, he would get an $8,000 voucher! The republicans are cold-hearted and cruel.

  • When I first came to this country in 1979, and became a US citizen 20 years ago, I didn’t know who were Republicans or Democracts, mostly because I never really got into Politics. But, as time went on I starting seeing how one side was for the people and one side for big business at the expense of the people. It wasn’t too hard for me to finally figure out who was who, and voted accordingly. And I am glad that I am a registered voter and will make sure to do my part to help our President win another term. I have my confirmation papers of my citizenship and an uptodate American passport, so there ain’t anybody who is can question that I don’t have the right paperwork and not elilgible to vote, because I am bringing those papers with me so there will be no doubt – because I am bound & determine to vote, this year more than ever before.

  • I was not in the least suprised by what Mitt Romney stated on the secret tapes where he spoke of the 47% moochers and that people who will never take responsibilities for their own lives. The rich have always had distain for the unwashed and unshavened, and uneducated. It always has been normal human nature to disparage others which is a technique to make their own station in life seem even more lofty.
    Typical of the rich is they totally ignore those below their station in life and to diminish the value of those lives and to make them invisible from their view of their world. It is ironic that those faceless people serving the monied people were the very people who have brought down the high and mighty by a notch or two by using a inexpensive cell telephone to record the normal daily conversation of the rich.
    In some ways it reminds me of the South before the Civil War, when the plantation owners spoke disparagingly about blacks while the slaves waited on their masters.
    If anyone has ever gone to Palm Beach and walked the streets you will quickly learn that your existence is not acknowledge by the so-called elite. No eye contact is given to those who are obviously not one of them. No greetings are given to those below their station in life. No attempt is given to interact with “those people” who are not one of them. Everything available to them is used to keep them separated from us and to keep us in our place. Fancy cars. Fancy houses. Fancy clothing. Fancy use of language. We are there, if at all, to serve their needs and to keep out of sight like the help in the royal throne room.
    The rich use the political system to keep those below them in line and to make sure they continue to serve their needs. The rich have the rich telling those below them, in newspapers, television, and radio, why they should continue to approve plans that channel more to the top and why it is good for them to be good little servants. And like the fools that we are we continue to jump through the hoops and to serve their needs rather than help those who truly need our help.

    • CAThinker

      Excellent commentary and interesting perspective, particularly on Palm Beach. But what RB describes, I saw as art imitating life in a movie this weekend. I’m not one for movies, but I did catch “Hunger Games” on video on demand this weekend… In my cynicism, which seems to grow every time a Talipublican speaks, I see the Palm Beach that RB describes taken to its most advanced and mature version. The movie, to me, describes the results of class warfare lost by the middle class… Cynical, probably… Frightening, certainly. I suggest that people re-acquaint themselves and view this movie within this context…

  • irishtap

    What’s most disturbing here, is that Republicans simply have no conscience for how victory is delivered. By using unfathomable amounts of ‘the root of all evil’, the GOP creates an alternate universe which invites a higher level of political depravity to thrive in, but are highly uncomfortable when challenged by stepping back into the realm the rest of us reside in. They rationalize truth as wholly insignificant for securing political advantage; as it appears democracy is viewed as a scourge anyway. They enjoy, even demand willful ignorance within the ranks, shun all form of critical analysis. The Affordable Care Act is essentially the same plan as written at the Heritage Foundation (as an alternative to Clinton’s single payer plan) should the right be pressed into accommodation, if the vicious industry attacks failed. The Republican Party has completely left behind it’s principles in favor of securing unimagined wealth to a very few. They seek to engineer society to favor the ultra rich to the point of ignoring the basic needs of humanity among fellow citizens or even the health of the very planet they’ve purchased away from the rest of us. Today’s GOP is a dangerous cult.

    • CPANY

      Excellent commentary.

  • The Republicans say they want to get rid of Medicare and Social Security.I have been forced to pay FICA all of my working life.If you want to get rid of this and Medicare go ahead,but before you do pay outo everybody the money they have paid into these programs all at one time.After these checks pass the banks then you figure out how to take care of everyone.Wait,maybe we can all go to your houses and you will take care of us.

  • dljones

    Conasan writes like a vacuous soap opera king. Obviously he is paid for the majority number of wanderless minutive bloggers he scares up.

    • lol! Conasan’s article scares no one but Romney’s words do.

      • dljones

        BOO!!!!!

  • doemland

    what’s wrong with a little class warfare? the middle class, women, minorities, the poor, and veterans have been on the receiving end of class warfare for ever. like who’s calling the kettle black? It’ time we all become a little class conscious,

  • 1standlastword

    And some GOP constituents think Obama is their worst enemy while corporation oriented republican politicians plot their demise through tax cuts for the rich, privatization and deregulation with a little “trickle down” tossed in to spice the hopelessness and hunger pangs working and middle class Americans experience after the financiers raped and plundered workers throughout the years between 2000 to 2008

    Why do the GOP party faithful think Romney is loosing?

    Answer: A slim majority gets it…that’s why!!!

  • Don

    So I have to have individual freedom. I always thought I had freedom, me at 74 years. I do not want the freedom Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney want me to have with ther dissolvement of Medicare and Social Security. Don’t they know retired people are still paying off on their homes and the loss of all they want to take from us is to put us on the street in box tops.

  • It so happens that I am going through over a hundred applications from all over the country for a job vacancy in my department that ought to be only of local interest. It does not even require a college education: years of relevant experience would qualify as well. But at least 10% of these applicants have master’s degrees, and there are even two or three with doctorates. Nevertheless, they are either unemployed or underemployed. It must be a terribly demoralizing situation. With such histories of diligence and achievement, an assumption that such people are slackers is manifestly absurd.

  • howa4x

    This is what happens when wealthy people run for office. McMahon of WWF fame is worth millions as is Mitt so they don’t need social programs and have a distain for anyone on them. Truth be told though that neither had to work for their money including Ryan who outside of McDonalds never held a job outside of politics. Mitt was born into wealth so he never had to worry, and McMahon married it. Ryan’s family was upper middleclass so anything these people say isn’t from experience it’s from arrogance. The Kennedys were the upper class of the democrats but always fought for those without, and never disparaged the poor. The republicans have always been the party of business but now they are the party of the wealthy with no social concience, and the white working people who are afraid. Republicans win when they make them very afraid, as they try to do now with the mantra of : they are coming to take your guns, or Gays will convert your kids, or American is turning brown, and you will be extinct, or enviornmentalists kill jobs, or women are having too much sex or democrats are weakening the military, or your kids will pay for the deficit or yada yada, yada.
    Problem is the white coalition is getting older and their kids don’t buy into their fear or hatred. They don’t worship the wealthy they despise them. I see it with my daughters friends where the parents are republicans and the kids are voting for Obama. The Republican party knows this too but have gone to bed with the devil in the form of the tea party, so they have nothing they can offer to this new generation. So they try to buy it with citizens united or steal it with voter supression because that is the only way they can win. They will never win on their dark ideas alone now or in the future, and Fox can’t win it for them this time either.

  • adler56

    Lyin Ryan obviously suffers from developmental disorders. Someone as old as he is and still believing Ayn Rand crap needs some serious therapy. His frequent lies are just a bonus issue.

  • I DARLENE C DAILY.
    I am voteing for mitt romney ! I will not listen to no more cut downs on this man.
    Let me re-mind you about all Obama low down LIES ! he has said. All his broken
    Promises he made to us all. Obama Failed ! all of us.
    Mitt Romney is Spotless and Blameless ! Compaired to Obama.
    So Please stop talking and putting Mitt Romney down.
    All of you that’a not for Mitt Romney is mainly ! because he is a 100% MORMON !
    Mitt Romney is a good decent man. He is a Man of God !.

    • CAThinker

      If that is what you are looking for Darlene, perhaps you should consider not visiting this forum again. There are several other forums around that cater to people with your beliefs – this isn’t one of them.

  • RapierSharp

    Yes, but don’t underestimate how demoralizing the Republican attitudes toward poor, hard-working people can be. Canvassing for Elizabeth Warren in a low-income neighborhood in western Massachusetts, I got a sense that the same voters who turned out in record numbers for Obama in 2008 have come to feel that their votes don’t matter. The people who run America (in their view) are the wealthy, and candidates who claim to speak for the middle class, for Latinos, for unemployed or retired workers can’t — or won’t — fight the status quo.

  • Pat

    Bush said he would “surround himself with intelligent people.” So I figured “not to worry.” Boy, was that ever a mistake. I’m sure Cheney is intelligent–but diabolical!!! Romney is obviously not very bright (makes his own popcorn to save a few pennies at the movies???) when he’s a multi-millionaire?? I’m not too sure about Ryan having too many marbles either.

  • Rob

    You may need a photo ID or drivers license to vote – depending on which state you live in. The idea being that only the well-off should get to vote.

  • You would think that in the 21st Century GOP’s disinformation gimmick, as old as the hills, it may be, would only enlighten many to that game? Americans are becoming more savvy but there are those who will believe a white smile in a suit telling lies without a hint of emotion. They aren’t even humans, they’re mannequins.

  • Faraday_Cat

    I’m confused…I’m white and nearing middle-age, so I guess I would be somewhere in Romney’s target demographic…so why is it that everytime I see him or Ryan, in a picture or a commercial, I immediately think “there is no way that guy has a heart”? If either of them were the salesman that met me on the lot of a car dealership, I wouldn’t even take a test drive…thier smile reek of subterfuge and I would be way too creeped out to talk for very long, let alone drive around with them.

  • carsrus

    Hey STELLA a commie is anyone, LIKE U sweetpea, who would vote for this marxist-maoist muslim COMMIE shill Obama! PREPARE for the 45th President on November 6, 2012, PRESIDENT ROMNEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • daniel bostdorf

      You need serious medication.

  • carsrus

    Hey Justin HOW WILL WE continue to PAY for all these WONDERFUL programs? I, too have paid FOR YEARS into these programs, FACT is they are UNSUBSTAINABLEas the fundig can’t keep them FISCALLY SOUND! U can say whatever about ME, but u refuse to say how we can AFFORD these programs. FACT IS we can’t!

  • carsrus

    Hey Vul,,,,,,,, Tell ME, HOW DO WE PAY FOR THIS?

    • daniel bostdorf

      Conason:

      The time-tested tactic used by Republicans to deflect attention from their most unpopular positions — especially on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and taxes — is to cry “class warfare,” as if the workers were laying siege to the citadels of finance. It is a complaint that distracts from substantive debate and disguises the real vector of aggression against middle-class and low-income Americans over the past 30 years.

      That old style of misdirection has gone stale, thanks to the emergence of audio and video clips that feature prominent Republican candidates voicing their true views… in private, of course. Caught on tape during those fleeting moments, they reveal intentions that they clearly believe most voters should never hear.

  • carsrus

    Maynard YR NUTS

  • carsrus

    Hey late the ones U soil daily?

  • These guys are snake oil salesmen! We ALL loose if they achieve the White house. I recognize the future is problematic BUT it can be done and it will continue to grow under Obama 2012.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Here come the fascist propagandist….you folks never let up do you?
    Predicatable…

    Lets see….carsrus, darlene daily,djjones and all you other nazis propagandists….
    I’m surprised mustgoobozomust go isn’t here along with his various other fake names…

    Rove and Koch brothers must be paying all of you overtime…

    Conason states:

    “Obnoxious, offensive, extreme — such blurted gaffes used to be heard mainly from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who need not worry whether he can win over a majority of the electorate. But the advent of the Tea Party, with its far-right agenda and insistence on purity, has given full voice to the GOP’s core crankiness. These are people who proudly pour vitriol on families surviving through unemployment and food stamps. Naturally, Republican worthies like Ryan, Thompson, and McMahon protest, usually via paid spokespersons, that they would never, ever damage America’s most vital programs, and that their empathy for the struggles of the middle class is boundless. Amazingly, they seem to think nobody heard what they candidly told their Tea Party supporters. And if anyone mentions those embarrassing tapes, they will scream ” class warfare.”

    Hey carsrus, and all you fake posters who hide behind fake names..

    Getting desperate because you know “Mr. 47% Etch-a sketch” Romney will lose.

    Scott Brown self destructed tonight, and the House may get closer to 50-50….which means when Obama is reelected…he will be in charge of a FULLY Democratic controlled Senate, and a House with Teaparty fascists heading for the exit gates…..We get rid of you bizarre, uneducated, 6th grade mentality posters and Karl Rove operatives.

    After Obama…we vote in Hillary for 8 years..

    I bet “Bonehead Boehner” is on tranquilizers.

    “Remember, remember….
The fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.”
    But what of the man?
    I know his name was Guy Fawkes, and I know that, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the houses of Parliament.
    But who was he really? What was he like? 
We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught. He can be killed and forgotten.
    But four hundred years later an idea can still change the world.
    I’ve witnessed firsthand the power of ideas. 
I’ve seen people kill in the name of them; and die defending them.
    But you cannot kill an idea, cannot touch it or hold it.
    Ideas do not bleed, it cannot feel pain, and it does not love. 
And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man.

    A man who made me remember the fifth of November.”

    The poor and middle class and those educated enough need to take back this planet and the USA….now. We need an American/Global Spring metaphoric Guy Fawkes as a nation speaking with one voice.

    The next United States presidential election is to be held on Tuesday, November 6, 2012.
    Ok-it’s not the 5th…. 🙂

    Keep remembering this as well:

    “Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying to us Teaparty, FOX FAUX News, carsrus, darlene daily, djjones and all you other 2012 versions of nazis propagandists….

    Your day is over.

    As Jack Nicholson said:

    “You can’t handle the truth!”

  • One thing I find ironic is that Ryan is working so hard to do away with Social Security since he, his siblings and his mother received monthly checks from Social Security after their Dad died at a young age. I have read that when the Ryans were receiving these checks they were not poor and didn’t need the money from Social Security in order to survive, their father had been a partner in a business that made the Ryans well to do. The sell of his Dad’s share of the company brought millions to the Ryans.. Ryan has made the statement that he saved the money he received from SS and used it to pay his way thru college and law school, so that means the Ryans drew Social Security for many years. His family and he got more than their fair share from Social Security, now since he doesn’t need to receive SS payments when he retires, he wants all seniors and people that will be seniors to starve and be homeless because they didn’t inherit millions from their parents or marry some one that brought millions more into the family like Ryan has done.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Conason:

      The time-tested tactic used by Republicans to deflect attention from their most unpopular positions — especially on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and taxes — is to cry “class warfare,” as if the workers were laying siege to the citadels of finance. It is a complaint that distracts from substantive debate and disguises the real vector of aggression against middle-class and low-income Americans over the past 30 years.

      That old style of misdirection has gone stale, thanks to the emergence of audio and video clips that feature prominent Republican candidates voicing their true views… in private, of course. Caught on tape during those fleeting moments, they reveal intentions that they clearly believe most voters should never hear.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Precious Moments of Republican Candor Reveal The Party’s Core:

    There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

    – Mitt Romney

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” ~Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader, (R-Ky.), October 2010

    Rove:

    Rove told the gathering of 70 top donors, which included billionaires and hedge fund managers such as John Paulson, that focus groups and polls show that attacking Obama as a “a far-out left-winger” does not persuade independent voters.

    “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you,” Rove said, according to Bloomberg.

    At one point, he joked about taking out Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin, whose assertion that women rarely get pregnant from a “legitimate rape” have caused Republicans no end of grief.

    “We should sink Todd Akin,” Rove quipped. “If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!”

    The FBI recently opened an investigation into a threat against Akin, a Missouri congressman.

    “I’m sure Karl misspoke,” said Akin spokesman Rick Tyler. “But we forgive him.”

    Rove also told the assembled crowd that the two Crossroads groups aimed to spend $300 million in 2012, with $200 million for the presidential race, $70 million for the Senate and $32 million for the House.

    Crossroads president Steven Law asked the donors to ante up with more contributions, saying they were two-thirds of the way to their goal.

    More Rove:

    Have you eaten at White Castle recently? Or caught a movie at Regal Cinemas?
    If so, you may be unwittingly helping finance right-wing attack ads.
    That’s because many of the country’s most common brands are run by rich conservatives who are using their personal wealth to bankroll outside spending groups that are running attack ads smearing progressives. From Marriott Hotels to Brawny paper towels, and from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Coachella music festival, corporate executives at these organizations have given millions of dollars to groups like Mitt Romney’s Super PAC Restore Our Future.
    Some corporations, like Waffle House, give direct donations to conservative attack ad groups like Karl Rove’s American Crossroads.

    Koch Brothers:

    Angel Soft toilet paper is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

    Brawny paper towels is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

    Dixie cups is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

    Georgia Pacific is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, headed by Charles and David Koch who are planning to funnel approximately $400 million to groups like the National Rifle Association, Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, the National Right to Life Committee, Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, the 60 Plus Association and the American Future Fund.

    Ominous warning unheeded:

    Dwight Eisenhower in 1960:

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

  • sisterH

    Get ready for rationing. Get ready for death panels.
    This administration is guilty of so many lies.
    The people have woken up …Obama is evil and a total failure.
    I wouldn’t trust Obama with my pet goldfish.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Quit lying…

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:
      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)
      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

  • carsrus

    Hey, danny boy:
    Your diatribe only fits the democRATs and their filthy, dirty underhanded way of governing and running Obama’s fetid campaign! EVERY word fits ONLY u democRAT shills, shills of your TRUE party, the 21st Century commie party in the USA! DEFLECT and LIE the words and actions of the worse man ever elected president, Barack h Obama! GET used to it President Romney and Vice President Ryan!

    • daniel bostdorf

      Quit spreading the lies, distortions and right wing propaganda, ok?

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:

      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

  • alphanumerical

    It is about time that the Middle Class join the class warfare. We are loosing the battle to the plutocrats. Unfortunately the Middle class is so worn out trying to just stay Middle Class they are forgetting that we owe it to our children to FIGHT. I am old enough to remember when the super rich and Corporations paid 90% taxes. HOWEVER if they showed USE for their money it was not taxed. That is when we had expansion. They invested their money in expanding their Corporations, that way everyone made money. Now only the CEO”S and top people make money.
    The Republicans tell us the economy will be better under their regieme. Remember Bush/Cheney?We all know just how well that worked out.

  • carsrus

    danny boy:
    Glad u placed these two names, Goebbels and Hitler in your little diatribe! PERFECT,for I will add the name of another who is exactly the picture image of both EVIL OBAMA

    • daniel bostdorf

      Go away carsrus..

      Quit hiding behind a fake name.

      You are a paid fascist operative of Karl Rove sent here to lie, distort and distract.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Quit lying and bothering us carsrus….

      We see through your lies…

  • Joe Conason is a hack. He spews outrages comments that are not true while holding out his hand for an Obama pay off. With reporters like this all the attention to the bias of the liberal press is really underlined. His comments are worthless. If you want a good story Joe go to Chicago and talk to Obama’s buddies in the gay bath houses where he use to spend his time. Maybe that is where you first saw him.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Hi Butch…..must be a friend of carsrus?
    You are a demented right wing fascist propagandist that has no original ideas.
    You spread lies, upon lies thinking those of us here really take you seriously.
    We don’t I assure you…

    This article is about the Republican’s candor that reveals the party core.

    Quoting Conason:

    “Obnoxious, offensive, extreme — such blurted gaffes used to be heard mainly from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who need not worry whether he can win over a majority of the electorate. But the advent of the Tea Party, with its far-right agenda and insistence on purity, has given full voice to the GOP’s core crankiness. These are people who proudly pour vitriol on families surviving through unemployment and food stamps. Naturally, Republican worthies like Ryan, Thompson, and McMahon protest, usually via paid spokespersons, that they would never, ever damage America’s most vital programs, and that their empathy for the struggles of the middle class is boundless. Amazingly, they seem to think nobody heard what they candidly told their Tea Party supporters. And if anyone mentions those embarrassing tapes, they will scream ” class warfare.” It just may not work this year.”

    It won’t work this year. And Mitt’s not fit to be president…

    Butch: read this and learn:

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying to us Butch.

  • daniel bostdorf

    Breaking news:

    Ryan on video 6 months ago…check out Huffington Post…

  • kdisg

    The GOP cant admit anything EVER!!! for Pete sake they still think trickle down not only works but creates jobs. lol I saw and heard it with my own eyes and ears that “we have to give lopoles to those companies because they create jobs, looking at 12 million un-employes (at that time) they still want lopoles and tax breaks for big oil and rich companies etc. Lets vote them all out and save medicare, Obama wants to fix it, they want to destroy it and make it a voucher system, Lets give insurance companies the decision weather we get tests or surgery or not. LOL they are NUTS!!!

    • daniel bostdorf

      “From your lips to God’s ears.”

      • kdisg

        Daniel: I was sent an email this morning with a video in it and it was of Tommy Thompson telling the crowd how he is the perfect guy to get rid of Medicare and medicaid, never discussing the americans he would destroy, telling them that we would have a choice to urchase benifits or stay with medicare, he says most americans would go for his plan. Imagine an insurance pencil pusher deciding weather we need a test or not! Or surgery not up to y9our Doctor but of a lobbyist because thats what he is and will stay no matter wgat he says he is a liar like most republicans now!!! Think about it, these are the same people that actuall believe in trickle down STILL. keep giving those job creatorz tax lopoles no matter what the numbers PROVE!!!

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    Precious moments of OBAMA CANDOR reveal HIS real self and his real intentions……he’s divisive, race-bating and attempting to turn the middle class against those he defines as “wealthy.” His 2007 VIDEO just uncovered DEPICTS the REAL OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS & his OWN ACTIONS! What do liberals think of THIS CANDOR?

    • daniel bostdorf

      This article is about the Republican’s candor that reveals the party core.

      Quoting Conason:

      “Obnoxious, offensive, extreme — such blurted gaffes used to be heard mainly from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who need not worry whether he can win over a majority of the electorate. But the advent of the Tea Party, with its far-right agenda and insistence on purity, has given full voice to the GOP’s core crankiness. These are people who proudly pour vitriol on families surviving through unemployment and food stamps. Naturally, Republican worthies like Ryan, Thompson, and McMahon protest, usually via paid spokespersons, that they would never, ever damage America’s most vital programs, and that their empathy for the struggles of the middle class is boundless. Amazingly, they seem to think nobody heard what they candidly told their Tea Party supporters. And if anyone mentions those embarrassing tapes, they will scream ” class warfare.” It just may not work this year.”

      It won’t work this year. And Mitt’s not fit to be president…

      middleclasstaxpayer hides behind a fake name and is a right wind Karl Rove operative spewing forth distractions and off topic postings all in an effort to promulgate a very obvious fascist and racist agenda.

      middleclasstaxpayer parrots propagandists Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and others…

      your quote:

      “….he’s divisive, race-bating and attempting to turn the middle class against those he defines as “wealthy.” ”

      A total lie and not anything to do with to the topic of Conason’s article. The GOP’s rotten hate based core.

      Go post at FoxFAUXnews or other sites where lies, distortions and off topic propaganda is welcomed.

      Read this and learn:

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying to us middleclasstaxpayer or whomever you are….why you hiding with a fake name?

      • middleclasstaxpayer

        Apparently you have NOT listened to any radio or TV station news today…..YOUR “man” Obama has been EXPOSED by his own words & his own deeds in a 2007 TAPED SPEECH he gave….PRAISING Jeramia Wright (“God Damn America” said the Rev Wright), and telling the all-black audience that “Washington doesn’t care about you!”)… also caught stating: “we need new roads in “OUR” neighborhoods, NOT in the suburbs. He was inflaming the all black group AGAINST white people…..he LIED when he said h’d be the president of ALL the people…he has an agenda to “right” the perceived wrongs against blacks, and at the rest of the country’s people and expense.. He’s a Socialist hiding under another mantle. Soocialism isn’t working in Greece (continued riots for MORE social welfare), Spain & Portugal (about to default). Obama is on the LOSING side of history, along with YOU!

        • daniel bostdorf

          Again….anything to do with to the topic of Conason’s article: The GOP’s rotten hate based core. Article is not about Obama.

          You sound like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck on LSD….

          You have no original thoughts.

          We know what right wing media thinks. It doesn’t. It’s a Karl Rove mouthpiece financed by Koch Brothers.

          It spreads lies, and distortions.

          You happen to be like a talking parrot and simply say it back to us.

          your quote about Obama:

          “….he’s divisive, race-bating and attempting to turn the middle class against those he defines as “wealthy.” ”

          A total lie and not anything to do with to the topic of Conason’s article. The GOP’s rotten hate based core.

          Go post at FoxFAUXnews or other sites where lies, distortions and off topic propaganda is welcomed.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Give it a rest Mr. Fascist.

      This article is about the Republican’s candor that reveals the party core.

      Quoting Conason:

      “Obnoxious, offensive, extreme — such blurted gaffes used to be heard mainly from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who need not worry whether he can win over a majority of the electorate. But the advent of the Tea Party, with its far-right agenda and insistence on purity, has given full voice to the GOP’s core crankiness. These are people who proudly pour vitriol on families surviving through unemployment and food stamps. Naturally, Republican worthies like Ryan, Thompson, and McMahon protest, usually via paid spokespersons, that they would never, ever damage America’s most vital programs, and that their empathy for the struggles of the middle class is boundless. Amazingly, they seem to think nobody heard what they candidly told their Tea Party supporters. And if anyone mentions those embarrassing tapes, they will scream ” class warfare.” It just may not work this year.”

      It won’t work this year. And Mitt’s not fit to be president…

      middleclasstaxpayer hides behind a fake name and is a right wind Karl Rove operative spewing forth distractions and off topic postings all in an effort to promulgate a very obvious fascist and racist agenda.

      middleclasstaxpayer parrots propagandists Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and others…

      your quote:

      “….he’s divisive, race-bating and attempting to turn the middle class against those he defines as “wealthy.” ”

      A total lie and not anything to do with to the topic of Conason’s article. The GOP’s rotten hate based core.

      Go post at FoxFAUXnews or other sites where lies, distortions and off topic propaganda is welcomed.

      Read this and learn:

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying to us middleclasstaxpayer or whomever you are….why you hiding with a fake name?

  • dalnb

    Romney and the Republicans continue to try selling the idea that raising taxes will hinder job development. They need to look back at the Clinton era when taxes were raised; jobs were plentiful and easily found. The work force could actually negotiate with employers for jobs, wages were good, and America enjoyed the greatest Quality-of-life we had in over 0 years. It only took a short while for G W to destroy that quality-of-life. I do not favor raising taxes but if that is what it takes to get America back to the pre-Bush days I will support it. HOWEVER: we will never gain any national recovery as long as we have a Republican Congress standing in the way!!

  • dalnb

    As a registered Republican I am totally disgusted with the Parties past four years of working harder at ensuring failure of the Obama Administration than in helping with our nation’s recovery. I can not support any Republican who has contributed to the “Mission of Failure” or who supports Party over America!