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Monday, October 24, 2016

Kentucky senator Rand Paul is a curious vehicle for reformation of the Republican Party. He’s not a font of creative ideas; he’s hobbled by intellectual contradictions; he’s viewed skeptically by his party’s establishment. Still, Paul brings a refreshing view of the limits of warfare to a GOP that has spent the last several decades enthusiastically embracing military interventions across the globe.

So here’s to the senator’s efforts to help his party lay down its battle armor and beat its swords into plowshares. The country needs no more Dick Cheneys and far fewer John McCains.

Paul won’t easily transform the Republican Party’s views on military might. Earlier this month, Texas governor Rick Perry wrote an opinion essay criticizing him as “curiously blind” to the threat represented by international jihadists. “Viewed together, Obama’s policies have certainly led us to this dangerous point in Iraq and Syria, but Paul’s brand of isolationism (or whatever term he prefers) would compound the threat of terrorism even further,” Perry wrote in The Washington Post.

As much as anything, that’s a sign that Perry is considering once again seeking the GOP nomination for president and sees Paul as a significant rival. One way to knock off Paul, Perry believes, is to play to the GOP’s armchair hawks, who haven’t tired of sending other people’s sons and daughters to war.

Paul immediately fought back with an op-ed of his own, published in Washington-based Politico. “Unlike Perry, I oppose sending American troops back into Iraq. After a decade of the United States training Iraq’s military, when confronted by the enemy, the Iraqis dropped their weapons, shed their uniforms and hid. Our soldiers’ hard work and sacrifice should be worth more than that,” he wrote.

While Paul’s views are closer to those of the American people, there is still a significant partisan divide — a challenge for the senator. Half of Americans now say the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, while only 38 percent say it was the right decision, according to the Pew Research Center. (The rest are undecided.) But a closer look at polling shows that 52 percent of Republicans still believe toppling Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do.

That may simply reflect the reluctance of Republican voters to admit the failings of the most recent Republican president, George W. Bush. And GOP leaders know there is a lot of political fodder in knocking President Obama’s foreign policy, even if few of them present alternatives. They denounce the president’s international leadership as feckless, weak and naive — red-meat rhetoric that fires up the base.

That means Paul will have to be not only smart but also courageous if he is to help his party find a more reasonable response to a complex world. The impulse to bend the globe to our will ought to be resisted, as should the instinct to continue to feed the military-industrial complex by draining the national treasury.

One of the reasons we ended up on a misguided mission in Iraq was that Democrats failed to put up enough resistance to the neocons who were then firmly in charge of the GOP. The doomed Vietnam War (though prosecuted by Democratic presidents John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson) had left Democrats labeled wimps and cowards — a reputation they couldn’t shake. As a result, too many who should have known better, including then-senators Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and John Edwards, voted to give Bush the authority to oust Saddam.

It took Obama’s victory — he campaigned as a critic of the Iraq invasion — to help leading Democratic pols find the courage to resist a “dumb war.” There are still military interventionists in the Democratic Party, but there are far fewer who would support a war in hopes of appearing strong on the national stage.

The Republican Party hasn’t yet managed that transition. Its neocons have learned nothing from their years of folly, with Cheney and the entire cohort of Iraq War cheerleaders refusing to admit their mistakes. But if Paul can win enough support from his party’s base, he can help the GOP come to terms with a world America cannot rule.

(Cynthia Tucker, winner of the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, is a visiting professor at the University of Georgia. She can be reached at [email protected])

Photo: Gage Skidmore via Flickr

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  • Independent1

    In how many ways do GOP politicians have to prove to the supposed Christians who endlessly vote for them, that they are not true Christians but in fact closer to worshipers of the Devil. Not only have they proven that above all things they love money, by constantly striving to pass legislation that favors the rich, rather than the poor as Jesus commanded; they also favor starting wars at the drop of a hat, based on virtually any contrived excuse; despite the fact that according to the apostle Matthew, Jesus uttered the following words as recorded in chapter 5 of his gospel:

    38-40 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

    and these words:

    43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

    48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    How far does the GOP have to digress from God’s true word before those who vote for the GOP because of their supposed Christian values wake up and realize they are being led down the path to damnation.

    • sunmusing

      Don’t forget Mathew 7:15, which fits most of the gop/bagger groups…

      • Independent1

        That’s a good description of the GOP too:

        15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

        And unfortunately, it’s not just GOP politicians that are leading millions of supposed believers astray, it’s also many of the mainstream religions who have their congregations believing that they’re saved, when they’ve really been leading them astray.

        Jesus described those religions with these words recorded in Matthew 7:

        21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

        22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

        23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    • Sand_Cat

      People who believe in invisible friends aren’t likely to be persuaded by rational observation.

  • Dominick Vila

    Sen. Rand Paul is embracing one of his father’s goals. That is, less reliance on militarism, and intervention in the internal affairs of other nations, and greater focus on domestic issues. Unfortunately for him, his decision to pursue this cause puts him squarely against Republican bread and butter. Our economy has been shaped in such as way, after decades of out of control investment in the military and the weapons industry, that as well intended and logical as this issue may be, if implemented too quickly, it would result in the near collapse of the U.S. economy…without Wall Street’s help. In any case, his decision to champion this issue is enough to destroy his nomination chances. The GOP establishment will come down on him like a ton of bricks. His defeat will make his Dad’s defeat look like a walk in the park.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    Rand Paul represents the cause and effect of radical Republicanism since Reagan. How in any way has their radicalism benefited the population as a whole? If we pay taxes, and all of those taxes only end up supporting radical extremist Republican states, how then aren’t those states taking over our right to choose how our tax dollars are spent?

    Worse, had men like Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and the rest of the slugs of the right allowed the President his right and privilege to create jobs back in 2009, would this economy still be ONLY slogging along?

    What Rand Paul sees as “wasteful spending” is anything that doesn’t pump billions a year into CON states who live off the hard earned, stagnated salaries of taxpayers in other states.

    Rand Paul can butt his head all he likes. Americans know what these GOP tyrants are up to and come midterms, the shock will be the loss of their jobs. What American wants another decade of GOP tyranny that holds our tax revenues hostage and is handed to crony capitalists? The people will speak loud and clear as we always have.

    The GOP tyrants act like spoiled, belligerent, spiteful little monsters who need a rude awakening. And a rude awakening is exactly what the mid terms will hand them.

    • Dominick Vila

      The far right is fairly successful in some states and districts as a result of political ideology, intolerance, and hatred in parts of the country. What they do and say is a reflection of what their constituents believe and want.
      Consider, for example, the constant attacks on organized labor for having the audacity of influencing labor changes such as overtime pay, a minimum wage, two-week paid vacations, paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, safety in the workplace, and other such matters. As incredible as it may seem, many Americans who enjoy the fruits of decades of efforts to improve our working conditions and social life, oppose unions because they have been convinced that higher wages and a better benefit package may cost them their jobs. They are, in effect, pushing for Third World working conditions.
      An example of what I mentioned above took place recently when VW requested the creation of “work councils” similar to the ones they have in factories worldwide. The intent of those councils is to get feedback on how to improve working conditions, safety, as well as productivity. Since U.S. law limits the creation of “work councils” to union shops, the only way to implement what VW wanted was to unionize blue collar work in their U.S. plant. Miraculously, Sen. Corker claimed to have gotten a call from a VW executive saying that if the workers at their U.S. organized, they would close that plant. VW immediately denounced the claim as a lie, but it was too late. The vote that followed rejected the union by a small margin.

      This is the mindset that exists, especially among our most vulnerable citizens, at it is not an accident. Effective demonization, not only of unions, but of anything that challenges the interests and beliefs of the elite, special interests, and their far right minions, has managed to convince millions of Americans that improvements in our working conditions and way of life are against our best interest, and that we should be happy and grateful for the crumbs we get.

      • JSquercia

        Put Corker under oath and make him name the Executive and if he can’t or won’t is LYIN ass in Jail

        • Dominick Vila

          I forgot the punch line. When VW heard the results of the workers vote against a union, they announced that if they are unable to have the work councils they are accustomed to operate with, they will have no choice but to build additional plants outside the USA.
          This little incident, which our “liberal” media failed to cover, highlights the dramatic management and labor relations differences that exist between the USA and most other industrialized nations. In the USA workers are expected to do what they are told. Nothing more and nothing less. Decisions are made by management with the aid of professionals. Period.
          The result of our turn of the last century mentality is that we are deprived of input and potential improvements by the people that are closest to the products or services our companies provide. The saddest part, is that most American blue collar workers are so afraid of losing their jobs that they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

      • mike

        Dom, at it again I see. If the unions are so great why did the teachers and other govt. workers Wisconsin walk away from the unions causing some to be decertified, and others on the verge of collapse in Wisconsin, The teachers pay was no longer drafted and the unions lost almost 50% of their membership.
        It just shows that when workers are given a free and fair choice they will often choose to opt out of the union.
        If unions are so great explain why their membership keeps going down not up. So all these free Americans are just plain stupid for not joining and it is all because of those terrible Republicans fault. LOL!!!!

        • Russell Byrd

          Because as always mike, you are just lying. No such things happened. In Wisconsin, your hero went out of his way to destroy the unions. Saying otherwise is just a bunch of lame-ass lies.

          I realize that you were tickled shit-less that Dom did not answer you, and let your response stand, but the truth is he probably finds even bothering with you beneath his dignity. As do I, but I just had to let you in on a little “reality.” Reality is not very sweet to your ears is it?

    • BiteMeLiberals

      The rude awakening was when King Obama never delivered on your tax break and free tank of gas. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid for a “change.”

      • The lucky one

        Yah you’re right biteme we instead should listen to the people that brought us the Iraq debacle based totally on lies and misinformation. Alternatively we could listen to the lady who deserted those that that elected her at the first whiff of chance to make more money with less work.

        • BiteMeLiberals

          ^^Obama Supporter^^

          • WhutHeSaid

            …said the sniveling redneck goober.

          • Russell Byrd

            And only to a sorry sack of pig sh*t is that a bad thing. I am proud to be one. So, go ahead and get your little nappies in a bundle.

            Oh yeah, and when your diaper says 18-24 lbs., that is supposed to be the size of the child, NOT the load limit, moron.

        • BiteMeLiberals

          Like the UN and Hillary Clinton?

          • The lucky one

            No the “lady” referred to is obviously your pin-up girl Sarah. HC and others who bought the administration’s propaganda on WMD are complicit, you’re right about that but I think we need to, or rather YOU need to because most of us already know, consider who the perpetrators of the fraud are. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and the other neo-cons are all guilty of treason and should be tried accordingly. What should the penalty be for causing the needless deaths of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? I know you probably couldn’t care less about the Iraqis but what about the senseless deaths of our fellow citizens. What is the penalty for mass murder?

          • BiteMeLiberals

            Hundreds of thousands? You mean the UN propaganda! Your poster boy has really messed it up big time.

      • Independent1

        Are you really as big a total moron as your posts imply?? You really can’t be as totally stupid as you post?? Can you???

        • Sand_Cat

          Seeing is believing.

          • BiteMeLiberals

            Or in the case of King Obama the truth hurts.

          • Independent1

            Really! You want the truth!! It only hurts to morons such as yourself!!!!!

            .Stock market almost tripled in 5 years to the highest levels in history- up almost 10,000 points.
            Saving retirement plans of millions of American seniors.
            .Deficit spending cut more than in 1/2 in 4+ years from 1.4T to less than 600B.
            .Auto industry saved from bankruptcy, keeping America out of GOP’s 2nd created depression and
            auto industry companies seeing profits they haven’t seen since Clinton was in office.
            .More jobs created in the past 5+ years than Bush created in 8 years.
            .GDP growth on par with historical increases despite GOP creating pact on Obama’s inaugural night to do everything in its power to make U.S. economy fail.
            .More troublesome illegal aliens rounded up and deported over the past 5 years than during any other presidency.
            .More oil and gas exploration in America over the past 2 years than during any GOP presidency – U.S.has become the world’s largest energy producer.
            .More fraudsters rounded up and sent to prison while trying to defraud our government over the past 4 years with more fraud monies recovered than under any previous president.
            .Banks cut out of the student loan process making college loans easier to get and less expensive for America’s HS grads than during any previous presidency.

            And that’s only the beginning – I could list more than 30 more accomplishments.

          • BiteMeLiberals

            Total BS!

        • BiteMeLiberals

          ^^^Obama Supporter^^^

          • WhutHeSaid

            …whined the unwashed trailer-monkey.

          • idamag

            While his t shirt rode up and he scratched his a…

          • BiteMeLiberals

            The monkey b u boy.

          • iamproteus

            If your wit were a knife, you couldn’t cut warm butter!

      • Sand_Cat


        • BiteMeLiberals

          ^Obama Supporter^

          • WhutHeSaid

            …squealed the chicken-humpin’, rooster lickin’ redneck goober.

          • idamag

            You sound like you know this cretin personally.

          • Independent1

            Far better than supporting a Republican:

            Last 4 GOP presidents spent like drunken sailors running up America’s debt by at least 14+ trillion.

            Last 3 GOP presidents responsible for more than 90% of our current debt.

            Last GOP president got America into an unwarranted war that cost more than 4400 American soldiers their lives and countless Iraqi civilians and soldiers.

            Last GOP president governed over the must lack luster economy in the past 7 decades; ending up creating negative net jobs for Americans – there were fewer Americans working at the end of his 8 years than when he started.

            Last GOP president deliberately allowed an al Qaeda attack to take place that ended up killing almost 3,000 Americans (worst such tragedy in our nation’s history.

            GOP president in office during the 1980s destroyed the fabric of America by destroying the bond American workers and company managment had developed – you work hard for me and I’ll do right by you. That’s all gone because of Reagan!!!

            Who in their right mind would want a return of a political party who has had a history of destroying the American way of life for at least the past 35 years??????

          • idamag

            Which anti-government organization do you belong to?

          • Russell Byrd

            Obama Supporter = truthful, decent, patriotic, caring, responsible, . . .

            BiteMeLiberals = sniveling turd, liar, bully, off-topic poster, disruptor, . . . .

            All I can say is, sh*t and fall back in it. On second thought, fall face down in it. Of course, no one will be able to tell the difference.

      • Dominick Vila

        No Bite, we have been wide awake all along. Hard working Democrats don’t depend on GOP-style irresponsible tax breaks, and we don’t expect a free tank of gas. What you described became readily apparent when “conservatives”, like you, decided to fight tooth and nail for the preservation of Reagan’s socialist Emergency Room freebies. Paying for what we all need seems to be an evil concept for those most responsible for deficit spending and accumulation of debt.
        Speaking only for myself, I believe our tax rates are too low, and when I need to fill up I pay cash for it. That’s the difference between a Republican and a Democrat…which should be readily apparent to everyone by now, regardless of how hard your leaders try to deflect attention from your dependence on government handouts, irresponsible tax rates, over spending, deficit spending, loopholes, foreign tax shelters, and subsidies to companies that don’t need our help to profit.

      • idamag

        What does that have to do with Rand Paul, you stupid twit?

        • BiteMeLiberals

          Read it again dip-shit.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        He is President Obama to you….Or did you bigot Big Mama and Big Daddy teach you that your white skin is the only sign of male superiority? Lose that South Shall Rise Again BS bigot act. No one is impressed. A corn kernel has more class and intelligence than you.

      • Russell Byrd

        LIke I have said before, f*ck yourself and raise your own little b*st*ards.

    • mike

      What a bunch of Baloney. Only in your warped mind will the left make gains.

      All Obama has done has it made it harder to hire, expand and grow the economy. 2009 he spent all his capital on a failed Stimulus and a ill-conceived Obamacare.

      • Independent1

        Wow!! So you’re still so clueless that you have enough nerve to make your idiot comments!!

        Considering that the GOP made a pact the night Obama was inaugurated to do everything in its power to destroy the American economy, what Obama has done is nothing short of spectacular. And don’t bother posting a rebuttal to the facts I’m going to list, because neither I nor any other nonright-wing wacko poster on the NM is going to believe one word of your lies and distortions.

        1) Virtually every nonright-wing economist will attest that Obama following through with the auto bailout and stimulus saved America from falling into the GOP’s 2nd created world-wide depression.. Not only that, but the auto industry the past 2 years has enjoyed profits it hadn’t made since Clinton was in office.

        2) Under Obama the stock market has recovered trillions of dollars for investors around the planet, including many thousands for me alone, allowing me to breathe easier than I have since Clinton was in office- the stock market is up almost 10,000 points (its almost tripled since Obama was elected). While under Bush it languished for 8 years.

        3) Obama has reduced deficit spending faster than any president since Truman right after WWII, actually cutting the deficit more than in 1/2 as he promised (from the 1.4T deficit of Bush’s last budget to less than 600B this year).

        4) More jobs have been created in the past 5+ year than were created in 8 years under Bush- Bush actually had a negative net job growth over his 8 years, not even including the close to 3.5 million jobs lost in 2009 which were really his responsibility.

        5) Here’s a table of GDP growth which shows that despite the disaster Bush created and the GOP’s best efforts to destroy the economy, U.S. GDP grown has been stronger than would be expected with the GOP doing everything it can to kill the economy:

        GDP growth U.S.


        All you know how to do is tell lies!!!!!!!!!

        • idamag

          Some people aren’t ashamed of their stupidity.

        • mike

          Well, Well Well, still living in the past I see.
          My post was about gains by dems in the mid-term being nothing more than a pipe dream by Eleanore.
          The mid-terms will be determined by the disaster of Obamacare, implementation and poor numbers. It will be determined by a President that lied about keeping your doctor, hospital, insurance, increases in premiums, etc.. The mid-term will be determined by all the scandals, VA, IRS, his lack of response to latest Immigration crises, it will be determined by his poor performance on the international scene and his perceived weakness, It will be determined by the 24 million unemployed, underemployed or those that have quit looking. It will be determined by sluggish to stagnant growth in the economy, his anti business, anti tax enviroment, it will be about the millenniums and independents that have walked away from him.
          This election will be about Obama and his failed policies. He will be like an anchor around the necks of all dems running for election. It looks at this time 3 senate seats will probably go to GOP-WV, ND, MT, they need only 3 more. We will wait and see.
          As to 1. CBO: cost per new job could be as high as 4.1 million. Lowest estimate 540,000.
          As to 2. It is all about supply and demand. Much of this growth is from high profits from low costs(fewer employees,fewer costs) that enables companies to buy back their stock. Don’t forget the Fed and its low interest rates plays a major role.
          As to 3. It has gone down but in 2015 CBO-it will start rising.
          As to 4. This great employment number are mostly low paying and part time. 2013 77% in hires were part-time. June 2014-BLS- 530k full time jobs lost, 800,000 new part time, not a pretty picture.
          As to 5. GDP has averaged just 1.95% 2010-2013. This year it has been lowered to around 2%. More bad news.

          • Independent1

            I’m only going to respond to one of your pack of lies – you’re so full of them they’re coming out your ears – you are without question on of the most disgusting lying posters on the NM – Absolutely nothing you post is remotely close to the truth:

            Turns out Republicans Love Obamacare

            Conservative groups have invested millions of dollars in opposing the Affordable Care Act, but they appear to have had little success in turning Americans against the law. In fact, according to a new poll from the Commonwealth Fund, individuals and families who enroll in Obamacare — including the overwhelming majority of Republicans — aresatisfied with the product:

            Overall, 73 percent of people who bought health plans and 87 percent of those who signed up for Medicaid said they were somewhat or very satisfied with their new health insurance. Seventy-four percent of newly insured Republicans liked their plans. Even 77 percent of people who had insurance before — including members of the much-publicized group whose plans got canceled last year — were happy with their new coverage.

            The study also found that the percentage of uninsured has dropped, from 20 percent to 15 percent, after the first open enrollment period, with 9.5 million fewer people now uninsured. Latinos, the most likely of any racial group to lack health insurance, are seeing the biggest gains in coverage. “The percent uninsured fell from 36 percent in July–September 2013 to 23 percent in April–June 2014,” Commonwealth reports.

            Moreover, states that expanded their Medicaid programs experienced the biggest drop in uninsurance rates for low-income citizens. In the 25 states and the District of Columbia that implemented coverage expansion for poorer residents, the average uninsured rate for people living below the poverty level fell to 17 percent from 28 percent. The 26 states that have rejected Medicaid expansion continue to see the uninsured rate among low income individuals hover at 36 percent.

            The number of uninsured young adults dropped the most, the survey found, from 28 percent to 18 percent.

            Commonwealth Fund conducted the survey from a July-to-September 2013 period, before Americans began enrolling in the Affordable Care Act, and then again from April-to-June 2014, following the end of open enrollment.

          • mike

            You crack me up!!! Lies? really!!!! What bull from you.
            Obamacare will play an important role in the mid-term. Obamacare has a very pernicious effects on the ordinary Americans.
            Many people lost their existing policies and are being forced into higher premiums and deductibles with unnecessary coverage.

            It has some good points(under 25 stay on parents) but in doing so govt. loses all that revenue if they did sign up. What the studies are showing is the 27% have serious health challenges compared to those with private insurance in the individual market.

            The whole idea is that the young healthy would pay higher premiums and deductibles than they should be, to subsidize coverage for older citizens. Not happening.

            Obamacare discourages the full-time jobs. Last June there were 288k new hires, but 530k full-time jobs eliminated, 800k new part time jobs. But the number of full time in the 288k was only 12k full-time positions filled.

            Obamacare is the least popular major domestic policy passed in the past 100 years. 38% glad it was passed, 55% wished it had never been passed, 29% thought country better off, 44% thought America was “worse off”.

            The biggest point is this law doesn’t guarantee quality of service. Just look at the VA. and who oversees the monies, the IRS, and you want these bureaucrats to control your life. You will rue the day you let this happen.

            Oh FYI: HHS announced on Friday news dump that the 5 US territories are now free of Obamacare which is slap to the constitution and rule of law. But what is new for this administration when Obama doesn’t like something or likes something he does it on his own. Remember all those 30+ delays in implementing parts of Obamacare.

          • Independent1

            Only the truly simple minded would believe a word of what you post:

            Preliminary data from a survey of acute care hospitals in Arkansas suggests a dramatic decline in the number of uninsured patients hospitals are seeing since the enactment of the private option, Surgeon General Joe Thompson and Bo Ryall, president of the Arkansas Hospital Association, testified before a legislative subcommittee today. […]

            Here are the three key statewide findings, comparing the first quarter of 2014 against the first quarter of 2013 […]:

            * The total number of emergency department visits declined by 2 percent.
            * Of those who did visit the emergency department, the number of uninsured patients was reduced by 24 percent.
            * For people who required hospitalization, the number of uninsured patients was reduced by 30 percent.

            That means, Surgeon General Thompson says, is that the state is “going in the right direction to improve the fiscal stability and well-being of our hospitals,” not to mention the health and stability of the people who now have access to regular health care. Ryall added that the private option for Medicaid adopted by the state is saving hospitals: “Ryall noted rural hospital closings in Georgia and Alabama. ‘We don’t want to see that happen in Arkansas,’ he said. ‘We thank you as legislators for passing the private option. We think it’s helping your constituents and helping your local hospitals.'” One hospital CEO backed that up in his testimony: “The difference between us being in the red and us being in the black is the private option,” said Ron Peterson, CEO of Baxter Regional Medical Center.

            That’s not just an economic plus for the hospital, it’s a boon for the local economy—in many rural areas the hospital and the schools are the biggest employers, and the Medicaid expansion doesn’t just allow the hospital to continue to operate, it allows it to flourish, potentially creating even more jobs. All of which will make Republicans stick their fingers in their ears and sing “la-la-la-la.”

          • mike

            The funny part of this Obamacare thing is that it is headed back to SCOTUS. Two different Appeal Courts had different opinions today, so here we go again.

            The Sad part is you are so blind that you are so incapable of knowing the truth. Not one comment can you prove wrong from my last post. You can’t refute the employment numbers, higher premiums(obama said $2500 lower), BC/BS, Kaiser report, territories out of Obamacare.

            To your post: what % of these patients are on medicaid??
            What you seem to forget is the cost is 100% paid by the federal govt./taxpayers.

          • Independent1

            All gratis of morons such as yourself raising every unwarranted issue they can find in an effort to destroy a healthcare law that is saving hospitals and Americans thousands/millions of dollars, providing health insurance to millions who couldn’t attain it or afford it before, and as a function of all that already having saved thousands of lives.

            And since you obviously support all the nefarious efforts of these GOP morons, you wonder why I include you as total moron yourself??? Just look in the mirror!!!!!!!!

          • mike

            Poor little boy, you googled all my claims couldn’t dispute them and is now back to name calling.
            Poor baby!!!!
            I see GAO has found fraud using fake ID’s and getting subsidies. Another nail in the coffin.
            Wait, Wait, I hear Obama shouting from the roof top all the virtues of ObamaCare. Oh wait, what I heard was screams of pain. His signature piece of legislation turns out to ill-conceived, unread, passed by one party and unworkable.
            Save two parts of it and toss the rest out. It can be done the right way this time.

          • jmprint

            Even if there is fraud, they will pay at the end through their taxes.

          • mike

            What you don’t seem to get is that the administration had told the country all the verification was in place Sebellius certified on Jan 1, 2014 that the exchanges could verify the applicants were eligible for payments.
            The upshot, the administration did not have it up and working, they lied about it and said they did.

          • Independent1

            Even the red state of Arizona is finding that they love Obamacare because it’s saving hospitals and the state lots of money:

            Gov. Jan Brewer’s decision to harangue her Republican legislature to accept Medicaid expansion is paying off for the whole state of Arizona, but especially its hospitals. A new report from the Arizona Hospital and Healthcare Association says that uncompensated care has been reduced 31 percent in the last four months compared to the same period last year.

            Uncompensated care is both charity care provided by hospitals and bad debts they have to write off, and in Arizona it spiked after the state decided to drop the childless adult population from Medicaid in July 2011. The numbers of childless adults in Medicaid has rebounded 247 percent since the decision to expand Medicaid and allow them back in, which obviously makes a big difference in the amount of uncompensated care hospitals are providing. One, Tucson Medical Center, reports a 45-percent drop.

            That’s money that the state doesn’t have to try to come up with to reimburse hospitals to help keep them afloat. The business school at Arizona State University estimated that the expansion would bring more than 15,000 jobs to the state by 2016, increase state revenues by over $2.8 billion in the next three years and increase personal disposable income by more than $1.6 billion. The decline in uncompensated care is just a drop in the bucket for what Medicaid expansion is likely to do for Arizona.

            Just keep on being your same old MORONIC SELF!!!!!!!

          • mike

            LOL!!! Keep trying.
            Where’s the administration touting all these wonderful numbers?
            All medicaid patients no doubt. All free on the taxpayer. Now we know that instead of costing 980 billion over 10 years it will be twice as much 1.8 trillion.


          • Independent1

            There you go again with more lies MORON!! Are you ever going to own up to the truth???

            Here’s a graph that shows the CBO’s long term cost projections for Obamacare just keep going DOWN!!

          • Russell Byrd

            We can all hope that you have a massive stroke from all your hate, wind up indigent, and have to depend on a minimum wage paid, ex-con sex offender named Bubba to change your nappies.

            I don’t give a sh*t if you are angry. What you propose for other people has always, yes ALWAYS, been just as bad. So, I have no reason to see you in a merciful light.

          • Russell Byrd


            BUT, you sort of have a point. It is impossible to disprove things that were never true.

            Your posts are sort of like the old “one-eyed, one-armed, flying purple people eater.” Everyone normal KNOWS it does not exist, but how do you prove it conclusively.

          • jmprint

            THATS A LIE!

          • mike

            We will wait and see. But, I bet it will be in front of SCOTUS. Two different opinions. One saying it is only for the states and the other saying that the IRS has the final word. So is it the congress that makes the laws or the executive branch that makes the law?

            More than likely the SC will want to look at it.

          • Russell Byrd

            We know that the Supreme Court is crooked, very crooked, so if they find against the ACA, it will be no surprise. However, your mob of liars will NOT gain even one vote. All you bastards are voting your hate, racism, and bigotry already. Yet, do you think that with shrinking voter base, AND declining support from even that, that you Rumpbuggercons can survive the backlash.

            I don’t give a damn what your lying answer will be. You are going to lose your asses on the deal. Just like impeachment, you will lose even more votes. America hates you bastards. Your sole support is from a small minority of crazies, and white people that your talking heads have frightened.

            And what is even funnier, even if your corrupt Supremes torpedoes the ACA, the setback will only be temporary. Demographics alone will ruin you in a few short years, and the memory of your hate and deceit will make the price you pay too painful to contemplate. (I other words, you will get a new ACA that will be viral compared to the one you are trying to destroy.) BUT, I am tough, so I can imagine just how big a fit you will throw,. LOL!

          • Russell Byrd

            You know, jerkoff. Have you ever asked yourself who is NOT suing all the time over the ACA? The insurance companies. Not only have they adapted and are doing fine, BUT they quite well know what will happen in a few short years if the ACA is overturned. They know there will be a new “ACA” that will go single payer and they will be DONE!

          • Independent1

            And here’s more:

            At Seattle’s largest safety-net hospital, the proportion of uninsured patients fell from 12% last year to an unprecedented low of 2% this spring — a drop expected to boost Harborview Medical Center’s revenue by $20 million this year.

            The share of uninsured patients was cut roughly in half this year at two other major safety net hospitals — Denver Health in Colorado and the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Hospital (UAMS) in Little Rock.

            One of the biggest beneficiaries of the health law’s expansion of coverage to more than 13 million people this year has been the nation’s safety-net hospitals, which treat a disproportionate share of poor and uninsured people and therefore face billions of dollars in unpaid bills.

            Such facilities had expected to see a drop in uninsured patients seeking treatment, but the change has been faster and deeper than most anticipated — at least in the 25 states that expanded Medicaid in January, according to interviews with safety-net hospital officials across the country.

            “This is really phenomenal,” said Ellen Kugler, executive director of the National Association of Urban Hospitals, based in Sterling, Va., which represents inner-city safety net institutions. “It shows the Affordable Care Act is clearly working in these locations.”

            In Seattle, Harborview had projected a $10 million gain in revenue this year because it would be able to recoup payments for services provided to the newly insured. Now, with a 10-percentage-point drop in uninsured patients in one year, the hospital system managed by the University of Washington is projecting a $20 million revenue increase on annual revenue of about $800 million, Associate Administrator Elise Chayet said.

            That’s the 1st time Harborview had ever projected a profit. Previously, the state always had to make up its shortfall.

          • mike

            And the Administration isn’t shouting from the roof tops how great Obamacare is . Why not if this is happening all over the country. Hmmmmm.
            Why are they so silent. Why are the territories out of Obamacare. Why, Why, Why????
            Keep trying!!
            Why our the candidates in the Democratic party not shouting this from the roof tops?
            They are running from Obamacare.

            Is it possible that all the lies of Obama can’t be defended so silence is the norm.

            6.7 million have enrolled in medicaid, looks like about half of total enrollment are on medicaid. Whose going to pay for all this other than the govt., the Invincibles sure haven’t come to the table in numbers to ease the financial burden.

            This is the most transparent administration ever(laughing) and would be throwing these great numbers out every minute of everyday.

            No, time for you to go back to sleep.

          • Russell Byrd

            “And the Administration isn’t shouting from the roof tops how great Obamacare is .”

            Well, obviously you just proved that you are not only a low-no information moron, but that you are an absolute incredible LIAR as well.

            Where have you been? Really, the same question that I ask all you trolls. We KNOW you are lying, and regardless of your lack of mental stability, you KNOW your are lying at some level, so it then begs the question, WHY do you do it?

          • Independent1

            In addition, Obamacare is saving hospitals across the nation millions and thousands of their patients’ lives by forcing them to reduce their readmission rates:

            Obamacare Incentives Slow Hospitals’ Revolving Door

            Mount Sinai said the program reduced admissions 43 percent and cut emergency room visits 54 percent during a test run from September 2010 to May 2012. The decision to target high-risk patients is estimated to have saved $1.6 million in medical costs over a six-month period, the hospital said.

            See video:


          • Independent1

            You have to be without question the biggest total moronic troll on the NM!!!!!!!!!!

          • mike

            So the name calling continues!!!! LOL!!!
            It wouldn’t be needed if you could destroy my facts. But alas, you are struggling to find a few positives so the good old emotions take over to try and fill the vast void of your arguments.
            Waiting for November.

          • Russell Byrd

            Impossible to destroy what never existed!

            ROTFL! ROTFL!

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, LIES. You know mike, you are better than reading or watching the news, or following current events.

            IF YOU SAY IT, I KNOW THE TRUTH IS THE OPPOSITE. So, thanks, you do my work for me. LOL!

          • jmprint

            You know what you are absolutely correct in saying that we will see in the midterm.

            People don’t forget the Tea-party’s obstructions, fillabusters, shutting down the government, frivolous lawsuits and lack of any constrctive work.

            Let’s talk about the Bengazi what a scandal, all that money and time wasted on what, so that we could find out exactly what was already being said “NO COVER UP’S”.

            Still after 5 years trying to tear down ACA, when the majority of the AMERICAN PEOPLE want it and NEED it.

            You post lies and throw numbers used on Newsmax, well guess what, when the survey is biased, it’s not truly correct.

          • mike

            What the American people remember are the lies of Obama on Obamacare compounded by the debacle of its implementation. 55% disapprove of Obamacare. Realclearpolitics.
            His numbers have gone way down on job approval, foreign affairs, direction of country, no growth, jobs being produced are 77% + part-time. June numbers 530,000 full time jobs lost, 800,000 part time jobs gained, of the 288,000 new jobs only 12,000 full time. IRS scandal 70% of Americans want answers.
            Democratic Senate seats open or up for reelection in Red States is 7, plus another 8 that are considered Toss Ups at this time. Historically, the party in the WH loses seats in the mid term.
            As to Benghazi, the Select Committee has not really began. The time lines show there was a cover up. We will wait and see how bad were the cover ups. The video will have played no part in the attack.
            I am not sure where you got Newsmax for one of my sources but I am sure you will show me, Right??

          • Independent1

            And the lies and gross distortions of the truth just continue out of the mouth of the NM’s greatest MORON!!!

            Obama’s approval rating has fluctuated between 45 and 50% for the past 4 plus years, except in the right-wing biased polls of Gallup and some others.

            Here’s his approval rating for the past 5 days:


            And the only polls I’m buying approval ratings from are Rasmussen and Pew.

          • mike

            I think the moron is you.
            So you want to use the % numbers for the last 5 days. Are you that stupid.
            Yes, the % are correct, but are you this f_ _ king dumb? What you forgot to add on these % numbers is their APPROVAL INDEX OF -17. Not a positive and negative. You really are dense.
            Do yourself a favor and go back to rasmussen July 24 and look at the 14 issues and how Obama is in the negative on all but one(environment).
            Then review realclearpolitics and see another picture how badly he is doing(Rasmussen, Pew in there too).
            My God you are so pathetic.

          • Russell Byrd

            Rumbuggercon’s in Congress have an approval rating that is often in single digits. THAT is a fact jack!

          • Independent1

            Just for the record, here’s a graph showing Obama’s approval ratings over the past 5 plus years.

          • mike

            It means nothing! What is happening now is the determining factor for this mid term. Hell, Rasmussen has him -15, 7/12 disapprove of Healthcare law 39% to 54%

            Pew has him as of 7/24 -16, 40 to 56 disapprove of his handling the economy. Foreign Affairs a -19. Need I go on. What a joke you are.

            He will pull the party down.
            You keep forgetting the party in the WH historically loses seats in the mid-term. Add the fact he is doing a miserable job sure makes it look like he will lose again, maybe not as dramatic as 2010 but he will lose.

            Give it up, you backed a loser!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Every word you have said, in fact, every word that you have ever said “means nothing!” (Thank you.)

            Of course, Mitt did win the Presidential election by a landslide, so I guess you were right about that.

            Bwaaahhh! ROTFL!

          • BiteMeLiberals

            The media lies!

          • Independent1

            Just for contrast, here’s the graph of Bush’s approval ratings:

          • mike

            Yawning, still in the past!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Then go on back to sleep and dream about screwing America over some more.

          • jmprint

            Really the Select Committee has not really began.
            Every General they have interviewed has said the decisions were theirs and ONLY theirs.

            A lot of your followers do not read, or listen to news, they base their opinions on hear say. I know for a fact, because I am always showing facts to them. And usually the response is Oh! I didn’t know that, or well you are right about this one. CLUELESS Leaders begat CLUELESS followers.

          • mike

            I know that you can show me all the videos or news clippings from the news organization that are covering the hearings with Trey Gowdy heading the committee.
            Typical comment from you “General……….decisions were theirs and only theirs.” What decisions???? Whose decisions???

            I see you sure are staying away from the mid-term and employment numbers.

          • Russell Byrd

            That made very little sense except for the “vibe” that it is all based on lies.

            Yeah, some of us actually are informed, unlike yourself.

          • Russell Byrd

            You know mike, movie villains are more popular than the Rumpbuggercon run House.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Really? Baloney? Is that why the only 2 Republican presidents in the past 2 decades were both Bushes? Is that why your Bush spent $7 trillion and counting on Iraq while he handed out 3 tax cuts that made the rich 11% richer as reported in 2008 by Bush’s own GAO?

        That stimulus got you righties out of deep doo doo. For too long red state trough feeders dump on the fed instead of touching a dime of their state revenues. In case you missed it Joi Boi, the blues states are not your only source of state economic stability.

        Why the hell should we in blue states not only pay into that $50 billion handed mostly to red state corporations, prison, gun and military industries? What you can’t find any other jobs in your states other than those that cost blue states billion to clean up the pollution you pour into our states?

        Get a clue Joi Boi…You won’t see another GOP white middle aged, money thieving, drawling, swaggering President for a long time to come.

        Course now, you do have an could resurrect the bones of Old Jefferson Davis and start another Civil War the north will end up paying your states to restore. How about ride off into the sunset and put your state money where your mouths are for a change?

        • Independent1

          Eleanor, if those red states were stupid enough to try and secede, they’d be bankrupt in a heartbeat. So many of them get $1.75 to over $2 in support from the Feds for each next to nothing in tax revenues they send to Washington.

          As you pointed out, of the 17 states that get back less tax dollars than they send to Washington, 14 of them are Blue States and the 3 red states in the list are barely in the list – like they get 98 cents back per meager $1 of tax revenues they send to Washington; whilem many of the blue states get around 60 cents back for each dollar they send to Washington – essentially making these 14 Blue States the states that are supporting America.

          And not only are red states basically living off blue states, and not only are they basically the big polluters in America, they’re also the states who lead the nation in all forms of violence – leading the nation by far in homicides, suicides, infant mortality, auto related deaths and more. There’s very little difference between some red states and Somalia.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I so agree. Your succinct post nails it. These are also states who live in the past. Preferably, the antebellum plantation days. They’d never make it up north where people are out of bed by 5 AM and trekking off to their jobs. One other major fact that drains our economy Rand Paul, King of Daycare Generation Twerps won’t admit is that states like his are also high on the lists of the unemployed or barely employed, high on welfare rolls and SSDI for illnesses people up north go to work with every day. I am frequently in touch with the Dems in my state to demand more in ROI and to stop handing businesses those tax subsidies.

            In NJ Governor Christie just handed a single company over $230 million in tax exemptions and the only hitch is they remain in NJ for 35 years. These companies always take the money and run. It’s a shell game. No company makes it to 35 these days unless they are a blue chip Wall Street biggie. Count on it. NJ taxpayers will end up losing more than half of that $230 million Mr. Republican Generosity Himself is handing to this single corporation. And, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Where does it state in the Constitution that taxpayers must be the sole support of red states and their relic industries and of these filthy profitable corporations who have it all figured out that they can still collect tons in subsidies for hiring part-time only. That’s BS.

        • mike

          Eleanore, Eleanore, what a pathetic response to my post.
          You said “rude awakening……..what the midterms will hand them”. Instead of giving the reasons for this big defeat for the GOP you try to hide the fact you have none. Do you really believe the GOP will lose the House?? LOL!!
          Why the GOP will do well is pretty simple. His name is Barack Obama. What the American people have found is a man that is untrustworthy, a liar, incapable of running the country.
          Millennials have walked away, majority of independents disapprove of his job performance, college grads see him as a failure, etc..
          Lets talk the real world now. Polls show his job performance disapproval at 52.7%. His latest Immigration response has a disapproval of 56%, Foreign Affairs his disapproval is 56.5%
          Majority of Americans say he can no longer lead.
          Yes, he is not on the ballot but his past actions are.
          What will hang heavy around the democrats running for office like an anchor are the economy, the 24 million either unemployed, underemployed or have quit looking. The very sluggish growth. A participation rate going down not up. More part-time jobs(77% of new jobs in 2013) than full-time jobs(22%). The VA scandal that he promise to improve but got worse. The IRS scandal targeting conservative groups, the lost hard drives of not just one but 6 individuals involved in the targeting(polls show 71% want it investigated). Plus, OBAMACARE and the multiple lies used by Obama.
          What is probably the main reason your forecast will be wrong is the Enthusiasm of the right and independents and the lack of on the left.
          Will the Senate turn to GOP?? time will tell. If polls are true at this moment the dems have lost 3 seats for sure out of 8. But, again time will tell.

          What you and your ilk don’t understand this “Big Government” thing that Obama has spouted is being seen now by the American people as a no go. They are realizing it is not the answer.

          So, to your original statement “rude awakening”-Baloney

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Mikey Mikey Mikey Mikey…Reasons for defeat: Corporations sucking up our tax dollars to the tune of $50 billion this year and playing their part-time hiring at minimum wage levels. Women will not vote for any more of your right wing, narrow minded, gender biased GOP loonies who try to ram their religious views and the cost of their Viagra down our throats. Reason No. 3, not a single white GOP male today has done anything to advance the progress of this country.

            In case you missed it Mikey Likes It…I’m not a liberal..I’m a die hard Progressive who loathes the plantation mentalities of men like you.

            Polls? You mean like that GOP paid poll recently that said Obama is the worst US president? BS is BS..and you right wing bois ought to go public on Wall Street with the tons of BS you manufacture.

            But for many Americans, the biggest laugh is that you fool yourselves into thinking your ideology is the ONLY right one. Oh really? Show us then how Reagan managed a 2nd term recession. Bush ’41 never got a chance at a 2nd term when his “Kinder Gentler” ended up being directed to his crony capitalists. As for Bush ’43, you loonies of the right thought you voted for Bush and instead got the former CEO of Halliburton whose first act as US VP was to hand Halliburton a no bid contract for a war in Iraq Cheney planned before the election was even called in Bush’s favor by the US Supreme Court.

            Try again Joi Boi…you pathetic attempts at proving your loser party has a chance to win any elections in the foreseeable future is your own weak mental state. Americans loathe a party that hands billions to corporations every year who don’t hire, don’t create jobs in the US and don’t pay taxes in direct proportion to the damage to infrastructure and use of government they create.

          • mike

            Thanks again for the chuckle.
            You seem to think all women believe what you believe. Not!!!
            So you are one of those Prohibition progressives, which by the way failed miserably.
            Well to your original comment about mid-terms, which you seem to want to ignore. Where’s the beef of your sttatement?
            Democrats have a “Perilous Time” coming in the fall.
            You can’t change the facts that the Senate is in play. You can’t change the facts that economy is very sluggish, that 24 million Americans are unemployed, underemployed, have quit looking for a job, that 77% of hires are part-time, low paying, That Obama lied about Obamacare, has failed at changing VA, IRS is turning into an even bigger scandal, growing number Americans (62%) says he is incapable of running country.
            What Obama has done is show the American people that His BIG GOVERNMENT approach does not work. He is still a poor leader.
            What happened in 2010 will happen in 2014, maybe not as dramatic, but it will happen, more losses for the dems.
            Obama administration is a albatross around the neck of the Democratic party.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Thanks for playing the role of “overlord”…sorry if you know so little about American women today. I’m a woman. Don’t tell me what I know. I have one advantage most American women didn’t have..I was born into an all male family, had an ex just like you with that plantation mentality that women should be dependent, pregnant and stupid, 2 sons and the icing on the cake..I worked in the all male dominated field of engineering. Try again Joi Boi.

            Your plantation mentality platitudes on what women think is so off the beam, you make a fool of yourself even attempting to open your male dominator mouth. I am certain you can only attract golddiggers who check out your annual income first before they commit or else you go for the coy, cutesy types with triple EEE bras sizes and double zero brain power.

          • mike

            Thanks for another post to chuckle at.
            What I do know is how little you really know. Don’t put words in my mouth about the degradation of women, I have never said anything close to putting women down. What you and Obama have in common is if you don’t like what one say it is sexist in your case or racist in his. Disagreement is not the option in your eyes. In your eyes it is with or against us. Thankfully the rest of American is not so narrow minded.
            I won’t dignify the rest of that baloney.

            Obama is and will always be an Albatross around the neck of democratic party. What is really wild he doesn’t give a crap about you or the rest of liberal/progressive movement. It is all about him.

            I see you still can’t find the proof disputing the Perilous Time for the left in these mid-terms.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            All chuckleheads always spend their free time chuckling “ignerntly.” I loathe men like you. You haven’t a shred of respect for anyone but yourselves. I disagree when the disagreement is borne of common decency, tolerance and intelligence. Reddies like you are nothing more than a bunch of spoiled asses who fought for attention in Daycare and now fight for attention as adults.

            You need proof of the Tea Party failing in mid terms? Take a good look at how many in the earliest voting districts have already voted against radical minds like yours. No one minds radical ideas..when they aren’t self-serving, selfish, bullying or attempts at mass domination.

            You haven’t lived long enough to know just how the minds of other Americans really vote. They don’t vote for men like you with minds so narrow that the agenda is self-serving. You’d have to be totally obtuse to think Americans want endless war so war profiteers can continue to live high on the hog.

            You’d have to be a real ass to think Americans will endure another 8 years of bullying from GOP tyrants sabotaging our choices for president.

            Change is what we want. With you or without you..Preferably, without you. Who needs BS CONs to stand there with those shaven heads, fists pumped and armed to the teeth? This is the icon you righties brought on yourselves.

            Now, you’re having to live the stereotyping you created and you want out? Try again penis brain.

          • mike

            You are one bitter Misandrist.

            As to your last post I can fondly say you are also very delusional.

            Thanks for those wonderful words and thoughts for they have given me so much laughter. In fact, I am sadden knowing you are one hateful and pathetic person. Not!! LOL!!!!

            I look forward to the mid-terms.
            Ta Ta

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Sorry Penis Brain…I don’t stand two steps behind any man. Your posts prove who and what you are. More than you even realize. And, unless you get off that high horse of male superiority, 10 years from now, you’ll be an autocratic, bitter old man trying desperately to dominate society around..Not that you will. Your kind are miserable failures at everything you attempt because your narrow views are your weakest links to any possible success at anything in this life. Time for lil Mikey to grow up.

          • mike

            My God you crack me up. You have to be one of the classiest women ever, Not!!! What fun to read your stupid and insipid comments.
            Looks like your progressive friends passed an ill-conceived law that they never read and had no idea what was in. And after the debacle of implementation and now this and the 30 + delays/changes Obama did, do you really believe you will take back the House?
            Ta Ta

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I have more class in my pinky finger than you have in your entire body. As for your insults, they only prove you can’t be told when you are wrong as your posts indicate you always are.

            My Progressive friends pass laws. Your Conservatives only freeload like you. Your Conservatives love to withhold funding in every state but their own. What kind of BS do you call that? Your Conservatives have a 13% approval rating in Congress, the lowest in US History according to 8 US polls, Heritage, a conservative poll among them. The trouble with a penis brain like you is that you think with the wrong end of your body. Get a life loser. You and your bully bois won’t bully the rest of us into making life easier for you you you you while we pay the freight for your high living. Get off your lazy bullheaded, belligerent, spiteful little asses and get a job…preferably one that doesn’t price gouge, overcharge and sell BS China imports.

          • mike

            You think you have class with your garbage mouth, now that is funny!!!!
            I see another shoe has dropped on Obamacare today. It seems GAO has found more problems with fake ID’s and subsidies. More problems with website and verification. Just another nail in the coffin for Obamacare, a ill-conceived, unread law, passed by one party.
            Keep your stupid and insipid comments coming, they make my day.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I don’t “think” I have class. I “KNOW” I do. It’s typical of a mental defective like you to call “truth” garbage. Your kind always trash the truth in favor of your lies and deceptions.

            As for Obamacare…the GOP won’t overturn that law anymore they overturned SS, Medicare or Roe vs. Wade. What precisely about the word “law” don’t you jackasses of the right get?

            When men like you try to dump more medical bankruptcies on the rest of us so you can profit handsomely from the sick and dying, will it take sticking forks up your butts before you get it?

            Wow…Little Mikey found a flaw in the ACA…Funny how little Mikey likes all the flaws that Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big prison and military industries are guilty of.

            Get a life loser. You don’t impress anyone with your penis brain jabs and snipes. You are one hateful little Mcturd.

          • mike

            I see you are still having moments of delusion, compounded by stupid and insipid comments.
            i never said GOP would overturn the law but I do believe when SCOTUS gets it, it could be gutted.
            Hell, people who think and have to tell people they have class are lying to themselves. LOL!!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            The only ones deluded are the right wing penis brains. You righties can’t tell the truth. You’d cause terminal hemorrhoids that would bloat the cost of your own medical care. All pieces of legislation have always had flaws. What’s on paper doesn’t always work in practice…Intelligent people know this.

            You don’t because you have lived so long off your parents, your world is like a box.

            Delusionary mentalities are born of extrication from the rest of the world by the force of their own stupidity and “ignernce.”

          • mike


            Same old classless baloney.
            Still laughing!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Then if you are so self-assured, why are you in a liberal blog bullying people that were actually having on-topic discussion.

            Yeah, I already know. You are just so S-P-E-C-I-A-L. How precious that you are just so much more important than everyone else.

            Has it ever occurred to you that America is tired of arrogant, self-important bullies like you? Guess not, but that will make that “rude awakening” all the more satisfying for decent progressive folks.

          • jmprint

            You must be talking about the SCOTUS that were bought an paid by the Kock brothers.

          • mike

            Horse Manure!

          • Russell Byrd

            As far as kids and immigration is concerned, you do understand that Christ was really “undocumented.” Of course, as a sociopathic atheist, or is that heathenist (satanist), I guess that does not matter.

          • Russell Byrd

            I like that Eleanore knows that you are just a vicious little failure of a McJob holder. Something very satisfying about that knowledge.

          • Russell Byrd

            Ta ta.

            I always notice that you sh*t sacks can’t even leave gracefully when you say you are going. You just got to keep the sh*t stirring. ROTFL!

          • Russell Byrd

            Ta ta. . .

          • Russell Byrd

            Ta ta!

          • jmprint

            Are you talking about the law that Bush passed on Dec. 2008. And now you guys want to punish the little kids.

          • jmprint

            Yes thank God that only republicans are narrowly minded. What is really wild is that you think you no more about people then themselves.

          • Russell Byrd

            You know mikey, even if you do win, the way you maggots are squirming to screw over the bulk of the populace, it will only be the worse for you in 2016.

            Your party, if it can be dignified as being one, will be dead in less than ten years. TOTALLY dead.

            So keep screwing America. Every time you do, you accelerate your own demise. So, even though I might be a little sad after the elections, by 2016 I really, really will be ROTFL!

          • jmprint

            Don’t speak for women, of course unless you are a cross dresser.

          • mike

            I am not speaking for women, any dolt knows that not all women think and act the same.

          • Russell Byrd

            Tell me, an experienced woman such as yourself, surely IS an expert on women’s issues. Right!

          • Russell Byrd

            Where do you get some of these fantasies? Oops! Really, I don’t want any, but I would like to know where not to go. I sure don’t want to be exposed to the “mikey brain-rot virus strain.”

          • Russell Byrd

            Think of how green every garden in the country would be with some of what mikey has been peddling. . . .

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            The Mikey Generation only know two words. “FORCE” and “CONTROL.” And we all know how successful that was with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, don’t we?

          • Russell Byrd

            Did you say a “NUDE awakening.?” You sure told some bold-faced NAKED whoppers there! ROTFL!

      • Russell Byrd

        BS. Claims that only a boasting idiot-fool would even have bothered to post. Oh, that’s right, that’s our very own mike.

  • jakenhyde

    “Texas governor Rick Perry wrote an opinion essay’. That in itself is a true miracle…..if, indeed Perry actually did the writing. I don’t think Perry has the wherewithal to actually sit down and write anything. My guess is that he had a shadow writer do it for him.

    • joeg2028

      Not only someone to write it for him, but someone to create the ideas to go into the essay. Perry, like GWB and the half-guv of Alaska, is not what one would call and intellectual or deep thinker.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Those suckers don’t even scratch the surface of consciousness.

      • Dominick Vila

        Do you remember what W did when the inclusion of false WMD claims in one of his State of the Union Addresses became public? He blamed everyone else for it, until some journalists reminded him that it was his speech, at which time he, reluctantly, took responsibility for the decision. That embarrassing episode could have been worse, he could have blamed a Lt. Col. for foreign policy decisions during his tenure… 🙂

    • sunmusing

      If it wasn’t written in crayon, then Perry didn’t write it…

  • midway54

    Here is another queen of the rightwing crackpots offering her solution.

  • David

    If we could just install our own hand picked strong benevolent leaders in foreign countries many of the world conflicts would just melt away. We have a long and glorious history of helping foreigners that way with the likes of the Pahlavis, Somozas, Pinochet, Rios Montt, the list is endless. I don’t for the life of me see why citizens of other countries get so upset when we are motivated by the most altruistic of reasons, sometimes.

    • Sand_Cat

      A true puzzlement, is it not? Must be because they’re jealous, or want a free ride, or maybe they’re just evil commies or terrorists.

  • sunmusing

    Wait five minutes and Rand will go off the rails…the guy is not what this nation needs right now, other than being a rallying cry for the Democrats…Randy will say and plagiarize anything to maintain his position…There will never be a presidency in this one’s future…

  • ExRadioGuy15

    Remember that The Idiot Kid of MoRon Paul is a Firebagger (Libertarian)…
    The Firebaggers have 5 Tenets:
    –Everyone For Themselves
    –Extreme Fiscal Conservatism
    –Radical Social Liberalism
    –Assumption of Risk
    –Delusions of Grandeur
    Those are also the reasons that there are no Firebaggers in the Democratic Party and plenty of them in the GOP….the only one with which the GOP don’t agree is the Radical Social Liberalism tenet….
    And, that’s what’s behind this…Firebaggers don’t believe in war unless it’s to defend the actual homefront.

  • stsintl

    Let’s admit that Iraq War was a proxy war on behalf of Israel. Ariel Sharon visited GWB six times before 9/11. Dick Cheney, as Virtual President, was under full control of AIPAC and remains a hard core Zionist.

    • Dominick Vila

      …and on behalf of our benefactors, Saudi Arabia. King Saud was concerned about Saddam’s military advances. We obliged.

    • idamag

      9-11 definitely is a result of our supplying Israel with arms and money. We need to cut them off as long as Netanyahu is leader.

      • stsintl

        Here was an Israeli General has to say about that.

  • ChristoD

    It infuriates me to continuously read that Democrats supported the invasion of Iraq without writing the REASON they supported it. It was because Cheney, and his merry band of low life neo-cons, LIED about Iraq’s 9/11 involvement. NOT because we were worried about WMD that Hussein allegedly had, in of themselves, or that we needed to topple Hussein, that was an excuse used to justify a failed decision. THAT is why Numb Nuts (aka Dubya) got the green light to ‘do whatever needed to be done to eliminate Iraq WMD. Along the way, that low life Cheney also was directly complicit in divulging the identity of a CIA operative (Valery Plume) and directly responsible for the killing of who knows how many CIA undercover agents as a result, done to disparage her husband an American Ambassador from speaking the truth about proof that Iraq was NOT involved in 9/11. Cheney should be behind bars for this abomination rather than showing his weasel ass on FOX News. The man has no conscience or heart and has even less character.

    • idamag

      You are right, but I am disappointed that they did not ask for further proof. I watched Colin Powel give his presentation to the U.N. and I had doubts, so they should have, too.

    • stsintl

      Yes, leaders of the Democratic Party colluded with Dick Cheney under pressure from AIPAC. Rep. Jim Moran [D-VA] had to step down from his position as regional whip at the insistence of the Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi [leader of the House Minority] in March 2003 [before Iraq War] because, speaking at a northern Virginia forum he said:”if it were not for the strong Jewish community support for this war with Iraq we would not be doing this…The leaders of the Jewish community are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should,” While chastising Rep. Moran, Nancy Pelosi said; “I have taken this action because Congressman Moran’s irresponsible remarks were a serious mistake.” She further said;”As I said earlier this week, his comments were not only inappropriate, they were offensive and have no place in the Democratic Party.”[source: Buffalo News March 15, 2003]

  • howa4x

    Rand Paul will have to defend the fact that he represents a deadbeat state that is one of the taker states of the south. Cutting starts at home and Paul has done nothing to slow the bad habits of his own state. It also leads the country in disability fraud and I haven’t heard that from his mouth on the trail. Seems he has turned a blind eye to the state that he represents, one with polluted rivers, piles of coal slag, and miners with black lung disease. All funds he wants to cut are consumed by his native state in record proportions. The trick to beating Paul is to play his policies effects on Kentucky’s population and see if they would be better off or worse off. I guarantee the latter

  • ps0rjl

    I say that the next time politicians start talking about military intervention, we should make them put one of their kids or grandkids in the military so they can be on the front lines. Otherwise any thing the politician says is so much bs.

    • idamag

      Without privilege that will get them off the front lines.

    • stsintl

      I agree. All the champions of the Iraq War kept their own loved ones home while sending others’ loved ones to fight and die for a war of choice. Before the shock and awe bombing of Iraq, GWB said he didn’t need “permission slip from UN to attack Iraq”. I say, because he had marching orders from Ariel Sharon.

  • idamag

    Wow! I am impressed with Rand Paul. Wars make a few people rich. Therefore: there are people who promote wars. Cheney’s company profited greatly by the Iraq invasion. His greed is talking war again. Wake up America.

  • Saul Ross

    Rand Paul vs. Cheney – Rand let out Cheney’s perfidy somewhat, but not fully. There is more : Cheney was CEO for Halliburton, a job he got of political connections while he was not at all qualified for it. He traded with Iran despite sanctions. He dodged draft 5 times but said US must send others to Vietnam to fight. He appointed himself as VP and with a pack of lies attacked Iraq. Now we are paying the price. And then he let out CIA agent’s name, an act of sedition. Now he is collecting pension from all of us. It is a reward for disservice to the nation. He should be given a dishonorable discharge and stripped of his pension.