By Axel Tonconogy

Romney Reverses Again On Abortion

October 10, 2012 3:48 pm Category: Memo Pad 1,308 Comments A+ / A-

In his latest policy reversal of the campaign so far, Mitt Romney said Tuesday that no abortion legislation would be part of his agenda. This comes from the same candidate who earlier this year said he would scrap funding for Planned Parenthood, and appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

In statements to the Des Moines Register, Romney continued along the recent trend of denying his previous conservative positions in favor of more moderate ones. “There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” Romney said.

As in the presidential debate, Romney has largely abandoned his fire-and-thunder conservative rhetoric, and tried to woo the small but influential percentage of undecided voters with new, as-yet-unheard-of centrist policies.

Romney’s off-the-cuff comments on abortion policy were later corrected by his spokespersons—a sequence of events that has been common in this campaign when the Republican candidate has deviated from the script. Spokeswoman Andrea Saul clarified that Romney “would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life,” she told National Review Online‘s Katrina Trinko. His aides, of course, did not concede that the candidate had contradicted himself. Mitt Romney is proudly pro-life and will be a pro-life president,” Saul said.

In a speech in Las Vegas on Tuesday, Bill Clinton mocked the new moderate version of Mitt Romney that has suddenly appeared in the last three weeks before the election. “I had a different reaction to that first debate than a lot of people did. I mean, I thought, ‘Wow, here’s old Moderate Mitt. Where you been, boy, I missed you all these years.'”

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Romney, however, is not alone in being hypocritical about abortion. According to a phone call transcript obtained by The Huffington Post, Scott DesJarlais (R-TN), a pro-life Republican congressman and former doctor, had an affair with a patient and upon discovering she was pregnant, pressured her into getting an abortion.

The call was made in September, 2000, at a time when DesJarlais was attempting to save his marriage. In response to questions regarding this new document, DesJarlais characterized it as a smear campaign, and a willingness to play dirty while avoiding solving the real issues. “Desperate personal attacks do not solve our nation’s problems, yet it appears my opponents are choosing to once again engage in the same gutter politics that CBS News called the dirtiest in the nation just two years ago,” DesJarlais said.

 

 

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

    DesJarlais must have been one of Romney’s debate partners. Let’s see, Gingrich must have been another one. And Ryan had to be in there, too. While these three don’t seem to have much in common with the current incarnation Willard Mitt Romney, they all three have taken positions that are belied by their personal lives. For DesJarlais to insist his girlfriend have an abortion then insist he is prolife is, at best, hypocritical. Gingrich was having an affair at the time he was pursuing impeachment against Clinton for – having an affair (well, technically lying was the charge, or perjury). This is, in its best light, also hypocrisy. Ryan’s budget plan has been blasted by officials of his Catholic Church as reflecting anything BUT Catholic values. This, too, is in the best light hypocritical. And how does this fit in with Romney and his current changes. Well, if you can’t figure that out you just haven’t been watching for the past two weeks.

    • dotutz

      Also Gingrich was having an affair with an intern while his wife was in the hospital fighting cancer. What a guy!!!!

      • Edsanjuan

        dotutz: This guy Gingrich is despicable and his morals are even worse.
        — Bill Clinton —

  • bcarreiro

    this is up to a woman to decide ………………..theres no debating over a womans body anymore. the flip flop is mitt romney and his time at bain and that will go to show everyone his true colors.

    • agnessue

      best comment I have seen on this subject. Only the woman involved can and should make whatever decision is best for her.

      • DurdyDawg

        Unfortunately, some use this system as a way of life which is what the pubs are picking up on, just like some abuse the social welfare system thus jeopardizing the starving and the needy. A simple watch panel is enough to balance things out but the pubs propose to beat out the middle man by destroying it for everyone. No one in their right mind would deny a woman’s right for abortion under incest, death or rape.. THAT would be her choice..

        • lindablue

          You mean like the Social Welfare Programs that Michelle Bachmann and many other Republican congressional figures get like farm subsidies, Save the gay therapy, taxpayer funding to start Drug testing Centers that their spouses own, Making laws that effect us and not them, the free college tuition we pay for their children to attend college free? Just saying our congressional leaders cas in on more social welfare than any poor person.

          • Edsanjuan

            lindablue: “The problem with liberals is not so much that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”
            — Ronald Reagan –

          • lindablue

            The problem with conservatives is they are morally bankrupt who hide behind a Bible that they don’t even know or follow the tenets of. Ignorance does not even begin to describe a Republican, they vote against their own best interest while sticking up for the rich who would bury them with the rest of us. You’re a tool to the means to their ends and your not bright enough to figure it our for yourself.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: There you go: “Stick it to the rich”; “The rich are inmoral”; “The rich benefit from ‘burying’ you” ; “You can make the poor richer by making the rich poorer” (this one being one of your best), etc., etc., yada, yada, yada ….
            Just shows that it is YOU who are not bright enough to be able to “smell the coffee”.
            We’ll talk on November 6th !!

          • lindablue

            My friend I can’t smell the coffee because the rich are depriving me a descent living wage to buy coffee.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: You are right: You are in a “descent” living ! (“decent”, Linda, “decent !”)
            linda: You can pay $200/hr to a psychologist for advice on “reality thinking” or take it from me for free:
            Repeat 30 times each morning, at noon and in the evening:
            1) “THE RICH ARE NOT DEPRIVING ME OF ANYTHING, MUCH LESS A DECENT LIVING WAGE. THIS CONSTITUTES COMPLETELY USELESS WHINING.”
            2) “FILTHY RICH” ONLY APPLIES TO THE RELATIVELY FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY SO POOR THAT THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE IS MONEY”
            3) “I DON’T HAVE TO STAY AT A JOB WHERE I AM NOT APPRECIATED AND AM BEING PAID BELOW WHAT I AM WORTH” (Note: This one could be a problem and, since I now know you do not possess the sophistication needed to identify the problem, I’ll tell you what it is: perhaps you can not switch jobs PRECISELY because right now you are being paid MORE than you are worth …)
            4) INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE RICH FOR MY LACK OF MONEY TO BUY COFFEE, I WILL STRIVE TO BETTER MYSELF BY ACQUIRING SKILLS I DO NOT POSSESS NOW.”

            There you go, lindablue, even if you (so ignorantly) vote for Obama, and I couldn’t care less, I still took the time to offer sincere and realistic advice to you, …. which most probably will not be appreciated and will be answered with “what planet are you from?”

            Anyway, the best to you, Lindablue!

          • lindablue

            Seems you psychologist hasn’t helped you much.

          • Edsanjuan

            lindablue: Sorry your very limited or non-existent intelligence does not allow you to understand my words.
            Keep your appointments with your psychiatrist ($200/hr !!)
            P.S. – Linda, also PLEASE get some English lessons (“you” psychologist”, Linda??!!)

          • lindablue

            You must be on Prozac and wear rose colored glasses.

          • lindablue

            You don’t have to stay at a job where your not appreciated. Yeah right and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. What a complete moron. Everyone stays at jobs where they are not appreciated because the 1% has you by the balls.

    • jarheadgene

      I agree……who are these men that want to decide, for women what their rights are to their own bodies and vaginal privacy. DOWN with Corbett and his “Just close your eyes and pretend it isn’t happening.” Gov. Corbett….PA….has to go.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RTCastleberry R.T. Castleberry

    What does he believe and when does he believe it?

    • AMADAL

      He believes whatever you believe. He believes it when he is front of you. That goes for anyone while he is trying to get your vote.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

        The Great Con Man!!!

        • Edsanjuan

          Fernie: I concur; Obozo IS a Con Man ….

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Mitt Romney And MONEY!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/clarence.swinney Clarence Swinney

    I sent these to Obama. He could have won re-election with them
    Romney KING OF ABORTIONS
    “My first act will be to defund Planned Parenthood.”
    PP prevents more abortions than any unit in America.
    Free contraceptions to poor of poor women.
    Sir, have you heard of Jesus Christ?
    His number one word in the bible is POOR.
    PP provides preventative health care for poorest of the poor women

    DICTATOR
    “my first act will be to repeal Obamacre.”
    Sir, We have “laws”. They cannot be changed on a whim.

    KING OF ABORTION DICTATOR a killer
    clarence lifeaholics of america

  • highpckts

    He so lies!! He just wants in and then you will see the real Romney! I don’t trust him!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Only A Damn Fool Would Trust A Man That Lies All The Times Non Stop Lying!!!

      • JSquercia

        AND the very NEXT day his campaign was correcting things that he said .He didn’t really mean he was in favor of stopping Insurance companies from refusing to insure those with preexisting Conditions .

        Interesting isn’t it that when he was a Governor his business acumen resulted in his state being next to LAST in JOB GROWTH

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Mind You A State Where He Way Behind Obama Maybe Cause The Real Fact That He Just Wasn’t That Good Of A Governor!! Remember He Was In 47th Place In Creating Jobs And Hell It’s Only 50 States Here Now What Do That Tell You???? Romney Use To Shipping Jobs Overseas Not Creating Them!!!

          • Edsanjuan

            Fernie: You are wrong !! Obozo said there are 57 states.

      • Edsanjuan

        Fern: Yep !! Isn’t that Obozo a non-stop compulsive liar ?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        Fern: You are a complete IGNORAMUS RETARD. STFU!!!!
        You are damaging whatever “intelligent” postings are being sent.
        I repeat: STFU !!!!

  • wrice64

    My problem with Romney is you never know which Romney will show up. He changes his views faster than when he was dodging the draft.

    • jarheadgene

      NO HYPOCRITICAL Vietnam Draft Dodgers should be President. He would send Americans to war, something he was too much of a COWARD to do himself. USMC….OOrah!

      • oldtack

        We saw that in the last tenure with Bush and Cheney( unless you call sporadic attendance in the Air National Guard actual service). Before that there was William Jefferson Clinton who was and anti-war protester. I wonder how many draft dodging SOB’s there are hiding out in the Halls of Congress?

        • CPANY

          Many.

          • oldtack

            Son od a Gun! we found common ground – Many.
            Have a good evening CPANY

          • CPANY

            Not hard to do. Congress is filled with worthless crooks who just want to milk the system for all they can get out of it.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

          Many Many, and they belittle any veteran that runs against them for office, as we see in this present race for congress.

          • oldtack

            Amen brother. It is very evident in that respect.
            Have a good evening Ed

          • CaptainWes

            I truly hope this thread is a bipartisan condemnation of those people, as I got from the original post. The latest round of servicemen – turned – politicians are running AGAINST Republicans, who are belittling their service to our country; at least the ones that make it into the news.

          • joujou228

            Shameful! I can only imagine the sacrifices these people made for this country.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

            John Kerry and the triple amputee from Georgia were both men denigrated by the conservatives during recent campaigns. Kerry was put down by the “fast-boaters”(most of which turned out to be liars, anyway), and Max Clelland (?) from Georgia, a triple amputee serving in Congress received his from a Republican who never served. There is another servicemember, who lost both her legs, and is currently running against the same kind of people as Kerry and Clelland, people who easily send young people off to war and refuse to deal with them when they come home. During the Bush administration, one of the first thingsW cut in order to pay for taxcuts for the wealthy were veterans’ benefits. Obama has reversed that, and appointed as head of the VA Gen. Shinseki, who was forced out of his leadership role in the military for his opposition to W and Rumsfeld on Veterans’ benefits. It is not difficult to understand why military, both active and retired, are voting Democrat in increasing numbers. It should also follow that the rest of us should wake up.

        • JuneBug2

          I believe I recall Clinton had a deferment, then turned it in and reciieved a draft number. The number was high enough that he wasn’t called. Please correct me if I’m wrong

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            You are correct.

            A retired Master Sergeant, with 26 years service and Airborne.

          • CPANY

            Sounds like something that Slick Willy would do to keep himself politically viable.

        • David West

          You’re worried about “anti-war protesters!!??” Your basic freedoms and the future of your grandchildren are being directly threatened by the most horrendous group of blood-sucking, uncaring, soul-less, heart-less F^*#@#S since the NAZI regime of WWII Germany ——why do I bother getting so upset about something that you all are going to have to live with long after I’m gone—which is a VERY short time from now.? Thank God …

          • CPANY

            Well, if we’re going to have to deal with it, then you don’t have to worry. Pleasant dreams.

        • jarheadgene

          I give credit to anyone who protested Vietnam and if they got legit differments O.K. But to those chickenhawks like Cheney and Romney …..I detest their hypocritical dodge…they were all in favor of the war and yet sought ways to run away. If you are FOR something, stand and fight, don’t be a chickens**t.

          • CPANY

            There’s and old saying that history is filled with examples of old farts telling young men to go to war and risk being killed.

            We haven’t been engaged in a “just war” since Korea and there’s a few people who thought that Korea was none of our business.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

          At least Clinton was going to college at Cambridge in London, working on a hard-earned(and legitimate)Rhodes Scholarship, not a faux MBA his father bought for him as a “legacy” student.

          • CPANY

            Cambridge University isn’t in London. it’s in Cambridge.

            What is a “legacy student”?

        • CPANY

          Many.

      • Joseph Hemphill

        with ya there Jarhead, Semper fi !

      • Canistercook

        Guess you are referring to Obama!

        • jarheadgene

          Obama was in Jr. High during that time, Canister. And by the way I don’t have any issues with legit differments. But the guy below….he changes his mind with the wind.

      • ps2os2

        Not to defend the guy but his religion might allow him to opt out.

        • lindablue

          He rallied for the Vietnam War and then used his religion to dodge the war. Really there is no defense for his actions.

          • ps2os2

            Well it is the inconsistencies that really make it troubling for anyone wanting to vote for him. On PBS there was a mini biography of both candidates and to tell you the truth neither inspired confidence but both had issues when they were in their 20’s. Now its not like either of them were in jail or suspected trouble, except Obama was head of the Harvard Law
            which really *IS* something. Romney was over in France trying to preach to the French was was at best a losing proposition. The 30’s were for both a non starter, IMO. Although admittedly to be honest a lawyer doesn’t start making it till his 40’s.
            I just got the idea that Romney rode his fathers tails till Bain came along.

          • lindablue

            You must also remember that even with Bain Romney wouldn’t have started it without daddy’s connections. Romney has never made it on his own. Obama has. Weather you like the guy or not the one thing you can say about Obama is he did the work to get where he is and had no connections other than the ones he made along the way.

      • Canistercook

        Who is the draft dodger? Obama or Romney?

        • jarheadgene

          THIS GUY….

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Romney Is A Shape Shifter, A Great Con Man And A Snake Oil Sales Man!! A Mother Of One Of The Navy Seals Who Got Killed In Benghazi Told Romney She Don’t No Trust Him And Stop Using She Son Death In His Lies And His Crap Against Obama !! Now That Is Really Low Down On Romney Part Using A Navy Seals Death Just To Get Votes!!!

      • Canistercook

        Gosh I do wonder if you have looked at anything that is really important when it comes to running the country, you seem so involved in calling people stupid names and making stupid accusations. Sad that some people get to vote though!

    • CPANY

      I know which Romney will show up: the lying Romney.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

        Romney is A Chicken Shit Draft Dodger Who Known To Have Dodge The Draft 5 Time!!! But He Do Mind Sending You, You Family And Friends To Wars The He Nor None Of His Sons Will Fight In!!!!

        • Edsanjuan

          Fernie: Learn to write in English, you Occupy Wall Street Socialist moron ….

    • 1standlastword

      wrice said: “He changes his views faster than when he was dodging the draft.”
      *************************************************************************

      I’m sure we agree that the only thing multiple versions of Mitt could all agree on is that he didn’t want to fall on a pungy stick or get shot out of his magical Mormon panties

    • http://twitter.com/slygirl slygirl

      Not only military service should be deemed a great trait for a presidential nominee but also a tour of all the American military cemeteries overseas. There are vast acreages in
      Europe for our fallen heroes. Plus a trip to the South Pacific where the remains of those heroes lie scattered in that terrain. How can we elect a leader at this critical juncture when
      war looms all over the world if that person has the faintest clue about military service?

    • Canistercook

      The man that showed up at the debate was the man that turned around Bain and turned around the problems besetting the Salt Lake Olympics. He has adapted some of his views to align with the electorate and so has Obama, i.e. Gay marriage i.e.

      • DurdyDawg

        That may be true in a sense (and as far as bain, you would have to confirm his success with the people he burnt) but Romney does this (blathering) on an on-going level according to which audience he’s lying to at any given time. You’ve probably forgotten, but the United States of America is not a ‘for profit’ corporation. capitalist sharks have no b’ness running this country and I’m not too happy that there’s an over-abundance of ambulance chasers either.

      • dranyamelknur

        Romney registered as a lobbyist and ended up getting a $2.7 billion bailout from Bush to “save” the Olympics. In reality, it was the taxpayers, not Mitt, who saved the Utah Winter Olympics.
        What about Bain? Romney did prove adept at getting big loans (He got millions from right wing oligarchic El Salvadorian death squad funders to get started) using those loans to buy out companies, load those loans on his victims, then fatten them up for what he called”harvesting.” He found he enjoyed firing workers. He also enjoyed using their pensions into his off-shore bank accounts. What a clever businessmen. In this way, he was able to avoid those nasty taxes.
        Another strategy – to jerk the rugout from under US workers by forcing them to train employees from other countries and then ship the factories abroad.
        Right now this is happening at Sensata Technologies in Freeport, Il. By the end of November those workers will be out of a job, worker affiliated insurance, and pensions plans. When they tried to make appeals to him, he ignored them. They made sensors for autos, planes and missiles. Just what Red China needs.
        His tactics made him rich and the middle class poorer but do NOT make him an appealing candidate for straightening up our economy.The fact that he had the biggest per capita debt in Massachusetts, was 47th in job creation, thinks he can cut everyone’s taxes and use loopholes to balance the budget while adding $2 Trillion in an unrequested Pentagon budget bonanza

        • CPANY

          There’s no doubt about it: Romney’s a piece of crap.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            CEMPTY: I agree with you !! Obozo and The Clown are a piece of crap !!
            You are soooo right !! (pun intended)

          • CPANY

            There’s no pun there. What are you talking about?

        • Canistercook

          Didn’t know Romney had anything to do with Sensata. You had better tell him, I think it will surprise him! He filed his taxes legally just like Obama’s buddy Buffet. Just like most Democrat and Republican representatives in D.C. and just like Obama. If you don;t like a law ask your representative to change it, don’t fault those who obey it.

          • lindablue

            Sensata is a Bain-owned company that is closing a factory in in Freeport, Il to move the jobs to China. The workers have set up a camp they call “Bainport” and workers and supporters are trying to block the Bain trucks that are moving equipment out to ship to China right now. In breaking news there were arrests made on Monday.

          • Canistercook

            So what in the heck does that have to do with Romney who left the company over 6 years ago.
            He makes none of their decisions today. Talk to their present Board and CEO. Is a worker who retired from GM 5 or 6 years ago responsible for what they do today?

          • CPANY

            As a political commentator has pointed out on television, Romney has maintained his connection to Bain despite his written declarations to the contrary.

            As hard as it is to believe, Mittens lied, again.

          • lindablue

            You’ll never get through to them. Ideology before facts.

          • Canistercook

            You sure do get your facts confused. Other than he now gets his vested Pension through Bain he has no hand now or for several years has not had any hand in the running of Bain.
            Guess the lefwingt brainwashing works though!

          • lindablue

            Boy you’ll believe anything won’t you? I guess he made 1 billion on his 401k the legal way too.

          • Canistercook

            I don’t know and I don’t make accusations like that without reasonable evidence.
            I do believe Romney is a very honest upstanding man with high integrity. If you have ‘evidence’ of any illegal activity on his part I’d like to see it.

          • CPANY

            Rachel Maddow, on her television program, produced documents that show Romney’s continuing connection to Bain and his participation in its management. It caused quite a stir and throughout Mittens refused to refute or even to respond to Maddow.

          • CPANY

            You see, Canistercook, the laws are there because the rich directed their Congressional toadies to put those laws in place. Did you really think that those loopholes were on the books innocently and the lawyers and tax accountants for the rich just happened to come upon them?

          • Canistercook

            You are I guess so far to the left that if Stalin was alive he could recruit you to his cause.

          • lindablue

            Beats following Hitler like the right does.

          • Canistercook

            Your comment doesn’t deserve a response.

          • lindablue

            Must be cause its true.

          • CPANY

            Are you being intentionally obtuse or are you really that naive?

        • CPANY

          Why did the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics need saving? I thought that the Mormons were such shart business people.

      • Cairndance

        He turned around the Olympics with more than a 1.5 BILLION Dollar gift from the Government! He didn’t do it on his own!

        • neece00

          I flew into Salt Lake City recently and was told by someone at the airport that because of the Olympics, SLC got a new rail system (TRAX) which was paid by; 25% Olympics committee, 25% by the city and 50% by the federal government. Your Federal dollars at work.

          • lindablue

            So the Salt Lake airport was funded 75 % by government funding since the government funded the Olympic committee.

        • Canistercook

          Stupid! He wasn’t ‘hired’ to bail out the USA financially that had volunteered to hold the Olympics, he was hired by the government to sort out the mess they were in trying to look good to the rest of the world. He did a great job of work. He did the organizing alone!

          • lindablue

            Oh come on he did with with government money that you claim should not be used to help anyone or anything.

          • Canistercook

            If a government volunteers to hold the Olympics in its country as we did of course THE taxpayerst pick up the tab. They just needed a smart exec in the U.S. to organize construction and organization of the games. Utah was not doing well with the organization so they had to bring in Romney. Like us, the U.K. tax payers picked up the tab for their Olympic games. Every country pays the cost of the Olympics from money collected in taxes. I never claimed the taxpayers should not help the truly deserving needy but I do question the amount of fraud and why I should be taxed to educate children pouring in illegally from all over the world like the Teachers’ Union wants.
            We are becoming another Greece unfortunately. Just hope someone can put the breaks on and rescue us!

          • lindablue

            Lets not talk about fraud in Social Welfare Programs unless your willing to talk about Corporate fraud and the corruption our elected officials are engaging in. That’s the real fraud. We only become another Greece because we spend 92 billion dollars a year giving money to blue chip corporations who do not need or want our tax dollars. Corporate Welfare must end if you truly believe in a make it on your own world view.

          • Canistercook

            I’m for stopping ALL fraud – Corporate and welfare. The 92 billion is a serious concern but so is the almost 16 Trillion!

          • lindablue

            Only takes 16 year of 92 billion dollars a year in corporate welfare to equal 16 trillion dollars.

          • Canistercook

            Yes and GM is enjoying some of that ‘corporate welfare’ right now. Guess some people will wake up too late if we fall off that cliff paying all the welfare programs and government employee wages and pensions. Take another look at which organizsations and companies get government ‘welfare’ and who voted for it, and I think you will get a big shock!

          • lindablue

            Blue chip corporations rake in more government welfare than any other but lets be honest here G.M. will be paying back their government loan and in fact have paid back most already. How much does gas, coal, and oil pay back? Nothing!!!!

          • Canistercook

            Guess you must have some information no one else has! Government BOUGHT GM Stock at almost twice what it is now worth and will lose billions on it. GM will use the ‘profit’ to pay the Union wages and pensions/

          • lindablue

            G.M repaid $23.1 billion of the $49.5 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury, including all of its outstanding loans. How much has the banks paid back? How much has Nissan paid back? How much has Ford paid back who got a loan the same month G.M. went into bankruptcy? How much has Toyota paid back. Did you know that the Republican Party force us to give Toyota and Nissan money even though their country subsidizes their auto industry?

          • Canistercook

            I understand that Ford rejected the government’s offer of bailout money and is quite successful without it. I have never heard nor have evidence that Toyota or Nissan were ever given U.S. subsidies or that our treasury was forced to give it to them by ‘the Republicans’. There is a lot of false facts circulating and we can always pray that GM will pay back the other 26.5 billion or so I guess! Wonder who has that 26+ billion?

          • lindablue

            You still haven’t said how much money gas, oil, and coal repays our government. Waiting.

          • lindablue

            I know interest from the G.W. Bush Administrations spending on the credit card sure adds up fast.

          • Canistercook

            I believe Bush made a bad mistake going into Iraq and that his drug program provided far too much profit for drug companies and is too expensive. I believe Clinton made a big error when he privatized Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the loans made for the overpriced homes backed by government taxpayers insurance which has caused much of our financial problem today. That is why I am able to be an Independent and separate myself from ‘the party’ and judge the individuals capabilities .Both Clinton and Bush however had leadership ability and did not try to divide us as a country which Obama is doing.
            I am not thrilled with either party but feel I must choose between the two and right now I favor Romney who I feel has much more experience in leadership and running an organization, is a fair honest man that rather then attending Rev Wright’s church for 20 years and listening to “God damn America” has been a missionary and tithes to a group who on the whole have proven themselves to be hard working Americans and like Obama he is a good family man. We are a deeply troubled country right now and good leadership is essential. No matter who wins the election the future looks bleak, especially for those unemployed and under-employed as bringing jobs back to America will not be an easy task. Obama is selling ‘Change’. I wish I knew what the heck that means.

          • ps2os2

            Clinton I agreed screwed America in several ways (as well as the reputation of America) and as such I have never forgiven him (and probably never will). The only Bush leadership had was to give the “rich” more money than they ever had at the cost of the rest of America. He also got us into an war(s) which spent trillions and killed thousands of young US soldiers.
            Neither president should be looked on favorably. Obama should be held up to a higher level as he should have taken the high road but he has consistently caved in to the previous administrations on issues that should have been tossed to the side and re-written the roll of the president. Just as an example the patriot act he should have taken it and discarded a lot of provision from it and retained the meat.
            I know the damned congress was a loggerhead but he (Obama) needed to show them where to get off. If that means sending in Biden as a bull dog (since obviously he can’t debate) so be it.

          • lindablue

            Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae should have remained a government entity and showed that the government can do it better than a private entity. Clinton did not privatize Freddie and Fannie Mae, Lyndon Johnson did during the Vietnam war to get it off the government books so our debt didn’t look so big.
            For the first thirty years following its inception, Fannie Mae held a veritable monopoly over the secondary mortgage market. In 1968, due to fiscal pressures created by the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson privatized Fannie Mae in order to remove it from the national budget. At this point, Fannie Mae began operating as a GSE, generating profits for stock holders while enjoying the benefits of exemption from taxation and oversight as well as implied government backing. In order to prevent any further monopolization of the market, a second GSE known as Freddie Mac was created in 1970. Currently, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac control about 90 percent of the nation’s secondary mortgage market.
            Obama has not made us divisive the Tea Party and the Koch brother’s have. Can’t handle having a black President. You favor the guy that created the blueprint for shipping Americans jobs to China. That sure will make the country stronger or at least his pockets fuller. Go ahead and vote for the Mormon who’s father was born in a compound in Mexico and is from a polygamist family tree. Great thing about America that’s your right to vote for who ever you choose.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you have your facts the way you want them. Re-check and you will find Clinton signed the laws that privatized Freddie and Fannie. Barney Frank was one of the guys that pushed it through. It is still the taxpayers debt though as government (the taxpayer) guarantees their mortgage losses.! They still unfortunately hold most of the home mortgages and we the tax payers are picking up their losses which are colossal. The color of a man’s skin has nothing to do with it, it is his policies that count. I don’t know much about Romney’s father and if he was or was not associated with a polygamist group, but I do not label any child with ‘the sins of his father’. No one chooses their parents. I feel unfortunately there are individuals like you who do not respect others religion. I am not a Mormon but I am privileged to have some very fine Mormon neighbors, like others around me, Catholics, Baptists etc., I do not feel it should be an issue in a truly Democratic society as I am not a biased bigot..

          • lindablue

            did you read the links I sent you. Those are not my facts they are the facts. Lyndon Johnson privatized Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. That is a fact. Just like the government guarantees your money will be safe in the bank of your choice. I myself like government backed banks otherwise I’d have to bury my money in the back yard. I thank God for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae otherwise I would never of been able to buy my first home. I’m sure a lot of Americans feel the same way. Obama’s policies have been moderate. Try again. Real you don’t label any child with the sins of their fathers than WTF is all the welfare talk coming from the Republican Party? Should we as a society make a child go hungry because the child’s parents did not get lucky and get a great paying job? How about the child’s parent that works everyday of their life in low wage jobs and are unable to provide the child with health care should the child be allowed to die? Should we not as a society except that not everyone is a Brain surgeon and that in every society there in inequities and as a society help those that live with those inequities? Jesus teaches to help the little children, to help your neighbor, for a just society. My friend do not use the Bible when you have no clue as to what is truly means.

          • lindablue

            Justifying Romney getting government funds to run the Olympics. How Tea Party of you. It’s fine when a Republican gets government welfare.

          • Canistercook

            Can’t believe it. Do you really think that when a national government asks to be allowed to hold the Olympic Games in their country the people hired by that government to organize them on behalf of the government are getting ‘welfare’ if the government pays the bills! Wonder if you really can be that dense!

          • lindablue

            Again how Tea Party of you to think its okay when a Republican gets government welfare. How about the farm subsidies Michelle Bachmann’s family gets and he husbands government welfare for the “Pray away the Gay” therapy that has been proven to fake and does serious damage to a gay individual. My guess is you only hate helping the poor.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t think I ever said anyone in particular should or should not get welfare and unless it benefits society I don’t think Bachmann’s family should be getting or are getting welfare for their therapy program. I don’t have any evidence one way or another. I do send a check most months to the Salvation Army and Doctors without Borders along with a few other charities and I hope you are able to help them out. They both do good work and did a lot for the poor people of Haiti as well as in those suffering in Africa.

          • lindablue

            As I am on a non profit dental committee in my state and have had doctors without Boarders come into my state to provide health care to the poor that my state does not provide health care and dental care too I am a supporter of this organization and have sent money to the Ed Show to help this organization provide health care in many red states that refuse to tax the people fairly to provide health care to their poor.

          • Canistercook

            Glad to hear you are helping Doctors without Borders out. Thank you. Most ‘working’ Americans, unless they have a lot of capital gains income, are paying between 25 and 50% tax on their net annual incomes depending on which State they live in and how much money they make. Federal tax, State tax, Sales tax, Property tax, gasoline tax, etc. How much do you think they should pay to meet your definition of ‘fair’ 45% to 75%- 65% to 85%?

          • lindablue

            I agree that the middle income earners pay 35% to 37 % of their income in Federal Taxes. The should the rich pay the same amount of Federal taxes on their income as a laborer pays without all the tax deduction set up to give them a different rate than the average earner. Of course I understand that they have paid their way into a lower tax rate than us it does not make it is fair taxation. Why do you think they deserve a lower tax rate?

          • Canistercook

            They get the same IRS rates as are available to you and me. The difference is they invest in our society like in tax free government bonds and venture capital. These investments are available to all, including you and me. If they invest 100,000 in a start up company and lose it they get to take the amount off as a loss against their capital gain income as would you if you invested your money. Tax free bond investments can be purchased from Schwab or your bank by you. However, if a bond issuer goes bankrupt your out of luck and can only reduce your taxable capital gain income not your taxes by the amount of your loss. Since they risk their money if they hit it good and make $100,000 capital gain profit they are taxed on that gain at a lower 15% percentage to encourage investment in our country. Tax free California bonds are available to you – just pray California doesn’t go bankrupt if you buy them. Many countries to encourage investment have 0 tax on capital gains. We need people to invest in our country or China will make mincemeat out of us!

          • lindablue

            The difference is they got their wealth to invest in things like government bonds and venture capital off their father’s trust funds. We should all be so lucky and they bought the politician’s along the way to enact tax laws to pay less again we should all be so lucky. Why do you continually argue for an unfair tax system?

          • Canistercook

            Then why don’t you use this ‘unfair tax system’ they have tax free bond accounts for all savers big and small? If its so unfair why doesn’t Obama want to revise it like Romney instead of taxing higher those who are already paying such a big share of our taxes. I’ll tell you why – because his buddy Buffet likes the existing system and Obama will too when he leaves the Presidency.
            I inherited something from my father and mother – “work ethnicity in place of a trust account”. It works. They also taught me how to avoid being ‘brain washed ‘ too.

          • lindablue

            Hey how is that work ethic helping you avoid paying your taxes?

          • Canistercook

            Taxes are what you legally owe – only an idiot pays more than they are legally required to pay to the government – especially to a government that is already over taxing its citizens to support overpaid and over pensioned government employees. Get yourself a qualified CPA to help you do your taxes correctly if you need one. There is free help available.

          • lindablue

            Well I don’t use loop hole because I’m patriotic and want my country to succeed. I’m American and I fight and pay for my country.

          • ps2os2

            Ahhh but if someone say owes taxes oh lets say $5,000 in order to get a really good tax account and they end up paying the tax accountant $6,000 what does it gain her? Where as when you get into high income the tax bill may be lets say $600,000 then it is feasible to start paying $100,000 to work the tax system and reduce your taxes to say $50,000 (or less) if you know how to work the system. That is NOT a level playing field. Now if we had a flat tax and say minimal deductions interest on house etc then everyone would have to pay the same percent (and that means no off shore accounts or companies (unless you paid tax)).
            That is the problem with comparing Romeny with joe blow tax payer there is NOT an even field.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t know if I can get it out of your head that having an off-shore bank account is not cheating or avoiding taxes if one declares it and pays taxes on any income. Many people have them. Free income tax help is available. The ‘ Rich’ like Romney, Clinton, Pelosi etc., pay most of our taxes but instead of raising taxes on those already paying more than their fair share Obama should propose closing some of the loopholes. I.E No deduction for interest on second homes, yatchs, expensive cars, interest on private residences limited to loans of not exceeding say $1,000,000 business meals limited to $25 and no alcohol.
            It’s difficult to make a system fair and equitable unfortunately but Romney works and pays his fair share. The attacks on his wealth are very unfounded. If you don’t like his politics that’s one thing but trying to make people jealous of his wealth is wrong.

          • lindablue

            Wow. Your sound like Romney Projecting what he will do on Obama. Romney and the Republican Party are the ones that want to close the home mortgage loop hole on you not them. Why do you think Romney bought his home in California this year?

          • ps2os2

            Right…. The problem is it has the appearance of deceiving someone. AND since the banking laws of the Caymans (and other locals) is secrecy. There is no way to monitor the money. In the US the proper authorities *CAN* get the banks to notify them through legal means (court orders etc). Once it moves offshore to some locations (like Switzerland but that is slowly being taken away) there is no way to trace the money. So is one can *assume* that everything is legal? Ahhh I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. This is the major issue with offshore banks while it is legal it has all the stink of illegal. Look for over 60 years Switzerland kept millions take from Jewish people (and others) for the NAZI’s of course it was legal at the time but was it really morally correct? I am not saying the people who hide money in offshore account are NAZI’s but when money is shuffled around it becomes impossible to tell from tainted money from money that isn’t.
            That plainly is wrong. On top of it the US laws are gotten around as it the SUPER PACS put money in and take money out and with one broad stroke they have circumvented the meaning of the law.
            You are trying to be too simplistic and will not admit that the reason for offshore accounts is for exactly that especially in SUPERPACS. As to Romeny, the stink is there and there is no amount of air freshner that can rid of the stench.

            Just so there is no mistake I am not explicitly accusing Romeny getting illegal Super Pac money (yet). I was using the superpacs as an example for skirting the law.

          • Canistercook

            We live in a commercial world these days and the need for companies to have off shore banks and foreign currency available is important. Trouble is small wage earners cannot understand that something they produce may need to be sold in Japan, China or Switzerland and the Unions and left wingers do a good job of brain washing those small wage earners that the big bad ‘evil’ corporations and their executives are all evil.
            Sad but this is one of the reasons our country and it’s standard of living for all, especially those smaller wage earners, is going down and fast! Hope we can stop the descent but too many are buying into someone who yells ‘change’ and does not have a clue what he is doing and cares more about his ego than the country.

          • lindablue

            Everything is the Unions fault don’t you know. The leadership in our Country starting with Ronald Reagan played no part in selling out the workers in this country. We are all brainwashed by the Unions who tried to warn us what a global economy would mean to the manufacturing industry in this country. Then like now the rich paved the way to make more money at our expense but by all means blame the Unions for being idiots and listening to the elected officials that you voted in.

          • Canistercook

            May be you should go out and look at what happened to our Steel, Shoe making, Clothing making, Computor making, and all the other industries that made products WE in the past exported to China and other countries and you might learn something. Even our subway cars and steel for our bridges are made overseas and if we continue with overpaid union workers and government union workers our companies like Deere and aircraft producers will soon be gone too. We had the highest standard of living in the world once, and it was the product of people like Henry Ford and others that formed companies
            that produced products at reasonable cost the world wanted! We have lost that competitive spirit! Union members think that somehow it doesn’t matter if a company is profitable but sooner or later the bank account is zero.

          • lindablue

            I stand by my statement. I was around in the 80’s when Ronald Reagan sold the country out for cheap good from China. Union worker were the one blowing the alarms that Americans chose not to listen too. We are living with the results of lack of political leadership at the time. I know exactly where those jobs went to and who’s policy drove our jobs off shore. You love to demonize the very workers who told Americans what would happen to our good paying jobs. Take my American flag off your foreign car. Henry Ford understood that unless he paid his workers a fair wage they could not afford to buy his car. Unlike these profit only driven Corporations whom for saving a very small amount of profits are making sure fewer and fewer people can buy their products even using cheap China wage earner.

          • Canistercook

            Unfortunately you don’t understand what it takes to sell American l abor made products like aircraft, agricultural products, John Deere farm machinery etc., to other countries.
            In world trade unless we can compete we are doomed.

          • lindablue

            How then is Germany one of the unionized European countries competing and doing just fine? 1st they invest in every citizen, rich and poor. Second they don’t let the financial industry make their own rules and play Russian Roulette with their workers pensions.

          • ps2os2

            Come on get over it. IF american wanted to sell cheap machinery we could . Foreign countries buy it because it is dependable and for the most part it is not subsidized by the government where as most (if not all) of foreign companies are subsidized by their government. Look at Germany and how the government subsidizes their agriculture business machine making. *IF* american did sell cheap stuff our market would dry up as countries could get the stuff from China at less cost but crappy product.

          • lindablue

            Two thumbs up!!!

          • ps2os2

            Ahhh again here is the rub. Its one thing to have corporate interest and a need for an offshore bank, but how about mr average citizen. Which when you come down to it is Mitt.
            He (and other) should disclose all offshore accounts and monies coming in and out to get rid of the stench.

          • Canistercook

            He does disclose it that’s how you got to find out about it on his tax return!

          • ps2os2

            Again its not all the information that is needed. Its like trying to determine you family history and you only hear it from aunt sara. You get a small uneven glimpse of the family tree and oh yes what about uncle joe who had an illegitimate son? He is now going to marry sara. Talk about inbreeding. Or how about the birthers’ claim on Obama (we know that its crap) you just can’t do it with one document you have to have access to the family tree.

          • lindablue

            Or all his tax returns for the last 20 years unfiltered by his tax lawyer.

          • Canistercook

            Did you ever check into the ‘Super Pac’ money contributed by the Unions? Yes our whole election is full of brain washing by Pac money and it is coming from all sides. Didn’t Obama promise to stop this! Now take a hard look at how much money he has spent calling Romney evil and ask yourself where it came from. Both sides are using Pac money; they have to to try to buy the election. They both have difficulty tho buying us Independents although both are trying pretty hard. I don’t buy either side completely but do feel Romney as a clean upstanding businessman and grandfather is a better man to take over the helm than a law school graduate even though one side is trying to sell stupid women pro-abortion and the other side anti-abortion, neither of which platform will save our economy. We are in BIG trouble.

          • lindablue

            Yeah ps2os2, don’t know that the guy selling our jobs our to China is a much better clean cut guy to finish the job, and besides he will profit off of giving China drilling right in the Gulf of Mexico by his investment in ECOOC and destroy our National Security interest. But hey his pockets will be full.

          • ps2os2

            @lindablue
            Not sure where you are coming from are you sure you aren’t high on something?
            Nowhere have I been pro Romeny if anything I have been anti romeny .
            I agree with you that (giving the oil rights to China would be stupid and an great error in judgement) Hell even our US companies botched it terribly, I can only imagine how China would do.

          • lindablue

            my reply was sarcasm based on Canistercooks reply. Don’t know why our replies sometimes end up on others response blocks.

          • ps2os2

            Yes and its a piddling amount compared to Koch brothers. Did you see now that companies are now firing people who disagree with corporate beliefs? Thats right companies are now warning their employees that they will be fired if they use FACEBOOK or any other media to disagree with company interests (courtesy of the Supreme court saying that companies are people) Now will it withstand court challenges that is something else but you could be fired for advocating OBAMA or say even saying don’t vote for Romeny!

          • Canistercook

            Following these comments has informed me as to how much misinformation there is out there and perhaps why there is such growth in the number of independents who have become aware of this. Each side jumps on the others words or actions whether it’s “They didn’t do it alone or Big Bird does not need a taxpayer subsidy” Some are so misinformed they think Romney could ‘defer’ paying his taxes by filing his 1040 form late. Other blame entirely Obama for the Libya raid rather than the State Department. And so the naming and blaming goes on. The real issue is can we continue the current amount of government spending and borrowing and how much should we cut back and/or raise taxes. It’s the economy stupid!

          • lindablue

            Your right it is the economy stupid. The argument is where should the cuts be? Education? Innovation? Social Security that workers have paid into? Medicare for which workers have paid into? The Military Complex for which Romney wants to raise their spending 2 trillion more than the Military has asked for? You can’t reduce the deficit by taking away 4% of the populations home mortgage deduction, you can’t reduce the deficit giving the population another 5 trillion in tax breaks? Where will the money come from to reduce the deficit? I’ll tell you by wheeling granny off the cliff, or continue spending us into larger deficits like Romney wants to do, just like he did in Mass. Who is going to take the pain that is the question? How much will states be forced to increase fee’s do to Romney’s spending? These are the relevant questions.

          • ps2os2

            We probably can *IF* the rich pay their fair share in taxes. You know the money grubbing can’t get enough money, the romeny types.

            Yes there are a few democrats who are misinformed and we can deal with a few of those. The bigger problem is the right wing (you know the Ayn Rand types and the 1 percenter’s).
            The misinformed democrats are no match for the above. With the Koch brothers (who BTW donate money to PBS programming) who have essentially bottomless pockets of cash those are the dangerous types who are putting out Democracy in dire straights should be ashamed of themselves, putting their self interest above Americans. I don’t care how they coat it it is wrong what they are doing. Now compare Big money to the small misinformed democrats and you can see where the real danger is.

          • Canistercook

            The 1% ers (probably more like 10%ers) are propping up this country now. We are split down the middle, Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Union Members versus the rest of the workers. But some are waking up which is why they are not voting for a black president to overcome past discrimination.

          • lindablue

            Really the 1% or more like the 10%er are propping up this country? How? How is dodging their tax responsibility propping up our country? Why do we have thousands of unsafe bridges in this country if they are propping up this country? Why are there school districts in PA going bankrupted and teachers working for free if they are propping up this country? Reading PA teachers working for free. Damn union workers how dare them work for free when the 1% – 10% are propping up this country.

          • ps2os2

            Don’t you believe that crap that the tea party is spouting. The 1 percenters *USED* to pay at 90 percent and then they started paying less and less till its pretty much close to zero. The government has a minimum but 13 percent or is it 14 percent that Romeny paid last year (he should disclose for say last 6 years but we are letting him get away with it (so far).
            I suspect you will find the last year was an exception as he knew he was going to run for President. SHOW US YOUR TAX RETURNS!!!!!!!!!!
            Let us be the judge.

          • Canistercook

            Do you have evidence – I doubt it. But a company can prevent you doing things like this on their time. What you do at home they cannot prevent.

          • Canistercook

            If 10 men go out to hunt and 9 of them sit around and play cards while the other one hunts I guess it’s only ‘fair’ in your estimation if he comes home and shares his kill with the other 9! Guess there are a lot of interpretations of the word ‘fair’.

          • lindablue

            Why do you repeatedly argue for a unfair tax system? Just saying you work for a living and pay hirer taxes than the guy who does no work for his money. Don’t you think the tax system should be in the favor of the guy that actually works for his money? Should their not be criminal laws to deal with the tax evaders?

          • Canistercook

            In theory I agree with you ‘earned’ income should be taxed lower than unearned income but all societies need individuals to risk their money to build their industries and employment base which is called ‘venture capital investments’. For every Apple and Microsoft there are hundreds of start up companies that go bankrupt every year. The investors in those bankrupt companies lose their money. As an incentive to invest and take the risks we offer them a lower tax rate on profits, if they make them! Some of the most financially stable countries in the world have no tax on capital gains. There are criminal penalties on tax ‘evaders’ and many of them are the individuals who put a dollar in the till and a dollar in their pocket. I think the ‘underground economy is big in our country’. I do not get the impression that there is anything illegal in Romney’s tax returns. Rather I feel jealousy exists because he is rich as are many like Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi etc. Class warfare will not produce a better country for us to live in.
            I believe at this time Romney has the most background and experience to bring our country back to productivity even though I do not buy into all the Republican platform and ideas. There are only two parties in reality to choose from and I feel Obama is a great speaker with a Teleprompter but has a great lack of experience in running a business and the USA needs BIG Business if we are going to pick up the bills for Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc.

          • lindablue

            Yes there are laws on the books for tax evaders but for some reason congress keeps passing Bills that give them amnesty. As far as Romney’s experience if sending our jobs overseas is good experience to get Americans back to work? If investing in China companies like CNOOC who wants to get their hands on our off shore oil drilling sites and give Romney another hefty profit. Then I guess he would be your guy. Romney is out for himself and giving him the presidency to do so would be a huge mistake.

          • Canistercook

            Perhaps you should check out what companies some of your ‘rich’ Democrats like Pelosi and Fienstein et al get their dividends from and how much they earn from work sent abroad. I think you would be in for a big surprise. Check around your home and closets and see how any foreign made products you have. Unfortunately our domestic made products are few and far between now because Unions along with taxes and regulations have sent them overseas. I’m not sure anyone can revitilize our manufacturing industry now. Steel, shoes, clothing, electronics and our auto industries (f it wasn’t for government bail out) are all gone. Sooner or later though I hope we will wake up before it is too late.

          • lindablue

            Feinstein and Pelosi are not in my district so I don’t vote for for them. I buy American as much as possible and support the country I live in by paying my fair share of taxes. If only all Americans did the same. Union wages are not the problem. High cost of Health care is a problem with our country competing with other industrialized nations since they all have National health care that cost less than what we provide health care for. State Governor’s are the problem since they appoint the treasurer of their state, and give State Welfare to corporations diminishing the state workers wages and pensions. You are right though since Reagan sold everyone on the global economy I doubt we will ever get back what we once had. Unless we start voting for people who are not in politics for their own financial gain.

          • Canistercook

            Finally we agree on something – Healthcare is twice as expensive and inefficient as it should be. I pay my fair share of legally required taxes, I voted for Feinstein as she is better than most and not a socialist. Wake up – they are all mostly in politics for gain but Romney does not need money, like me he wants to save the country from disaster! Obama has an ego that goes through the roof and is a hard left socialist at heart unfortunately. We need a leader not a teleprompter speaker on a soapbox.

          • lindablue

            Romney may not need the money but he is more than happy to take the money. Have you researched his part in the China oil company ENOOC? it may change your mind about him, unless you want China in the Gulf of Mexico so Romney can profit off it. Also Romeny through ENOOC is doing business with Iran. Is that okay too? Oh you don’t seem to have a problem with Corporate Socialism, soclialism is just a bad thing when it comes to helping the poor. Right?

          • Canistercook

            Do wonder where you get your ‘facts’ and information. Romney has no control over ENOOC but if there is a problem with anyone doing business with Iran presumably Obama could control it – he is the man right now in the White House! I favor helping the needy who deserve help not the idle greedy!

          • lindablue

            Why would a smart businessman buy into a company like ENOOC if he can’t control it? Thank for pointing out that he isn’t that bright. So who would you call the idle greedy? Someone who is sick, disabled, retired, maybe the Sonasta workers whom Bain is shipping their jobs to China? Who do you prey tell believe is needy?

          • Canistercook

            A lot of people I guess have ENOOC stock! No the idle greedy are those who are young, healthy and able and possibly have produced children they have never supported or cared for and live like leeches off welfare mothers for example. Those that are out there scribbling on our walls, shooting one another and in general just poor excuses for mankind. There seems to be a growing number of them!

          • lindablue

            It is so easy to point fingers. How do we solve the problem that causes the kind of people you point at? How board of stoke you paint of people who were not born on home plate.

          • lindablue

            There will be more scribbling on the walls and shooting each other if Romney is elected he wants to take money out of public education and give it to the Private Equality Firm his son Tag runs that is trying to privatize our public education and which will make education even harder to attainable for the poor. Yes the birth to prison pipeline is thriving thanks to states privatizing prison systems. another perk for the rich Republican donors.

          • Canistercook

            Not in my neighborhood I think as most kids in my neighborhood get a good education and go to school regularly and don’t get pregnant at 15.

          • lindablue

            How fortunate for you to live in a good neighborhood and with great schools. Maybe you should look at your states Kid Count if you want to know how many pregnant teens come from your country. It may surprise you. Teen pregnancy continues to grow in all states and no county is devoid the problem. Take off your blinder my friend and you will see every county in the nation has the same problems no matter how well off they are. Even rich kids have problems.

          • lindablue

            Really name other rich guys who have stock in ENOOC? Name American Banks who have money in ENOOC? Love to know who they are.

          • Canistercook

            Have no idea – suggest your write them and ask for a list of their stock holders.

          • lindablue

            So you spout shit you have no idea about? Go figure.

          • lindablue

            You’re the one who said I’d be surprised by who is invested in ECOOC. So you must know something I don’t. I do know that Romney is invested in ECOOC and that ECOOC is owned by China since all businesses in China are owned by the communist country of China and that with Romney’s help they are tring to get drilling rights in the Gulf of Mexico. Which would be a National Security disaster for our country to allow China to have our oil rights.

          • lindablue

            You act as if the type you cast as poor excuses for mankind is just found in poor neighborhoods. No anyone from every class can be those you describe as poor excuses for mankind. Many rich men choose to ignore their children and not pay their child support. Many of their wives end up on Welfare. Shooting one another has more to do with the availability of guns than from being from a poor neighborhood. Ask George Zimmerman.

          • Canistercook

            Wonder how so many ‘poor’ can afford to buy guns and can’t afford to support their children!
            Guess I don’t know any ‘rich men’ who are not supporting their children! There may be some somewhere!

          • lindablue

            Watch Housewives of NYC. Then you’ll see at least on rich guy that does not support his children.
            Because they want what the rich has. Lots of guns.

          • Canistercook

            Have better things to do and read than watch that trash.

          • ps2os2

            In short PLENTY. Just look at the court system. For what ever reason some rich people refuse to support their children.

          • Canistercook

            The courts simply decidea what level of support a parent owes to his children not IF they owe support.

          • lindablue

            Your right they give the job of collecting child support to The Friend of the Court who keeps track of how much a parent owes to their children.

          • ps2os2

            Well lets see they do decide paternity so in that sense they decide a lot of things that come after.

          • lindablue

            See how far government has reached into our every day lives while turning a blind eye to what business is doing. Have you ever heard of a business Friend of the Court that deals solely on safety infractions they have not complied with or an environmental court that solely deals with infractions business do against our environment? No its small government when it comes to businesses behavior and large government when it comes to us. Funny how we have listened to our government preach personal responsibility and yet we don’t hear corporate responsibility and have nothing set in place to make sure they are complying.

          • ps2os2

            I suspect you are really complaining about OSHA although you didn’t really say it.
            For the most part OSHA (IMO) is doing its job well. They are working on our behalf so businesses do not use poisons in the work place or would you rather work in a toxic waste dump everyday. That is what employers do they cheat and and pretty soon the workplace become an unhealthy place to work in. Would you mind working next to a drum of toxic chemicals? Common sense items like that employers try and get away with. Chairs that are not dangerous are common sense items and on and on. Employers try and get over on employees every chance they get to save a buck.

          • lindablue

            Your right OSHA does a good job with businesses that understand that the rules they make are in the best interest of the employer but for businesses that don’t feel that the rules are there to protect their best interest no so much of a good job. Lets look at that Coal business owner where workers continue to die due to bad safety practices the fines they pay are minimum compared to the lives lost they have caused. I do have a strong belief in OSHA and thank God for them everyday. I’m just saying that their department is not large enough nor funded well enough to adequately go after those that choose not to follow the law and that workers in those businesses that don’t follow the law have no protection from bad work place behavior by these type of companies.

          • ps2os2

            Then I would ask that you write you Senators & Congress persons to allocate more money to the agency:) The republicans want to cripple and or abolish it.

          • lindablue

            Yes the Republicans do want to eliminate OSHA and the EPA. Only we can stop them by voting them out. I do write my congressmen and women about these issues and many more.

          • lindablue

            Actually I was complaining about those who complain about big government and not complaining about government. I think government has a place in doing the common good for the people.

          • ps2os2

            Ahhh but here is the rub… The courts can’t see places like the Caymans or Switzerland (and the like). The banks laugh at subpoenas as they are just not enforceable (maybe that is why Romeny is hiding his money just in case his marriage goes south. The best the courts can do (and its a big if) they can ask for the government to supply copies of the tax returns.

          • lindablue

            Duh we have had sanctions about not doing business with Iran for well over a decade. Why would your candidate buy into a Company in a country known to do business with a country that sponsors terrorist against America? Google it.

          • lindablue

            Perhaps you should like I have get involved in “Citizens United” against the rich buying our elections. Don’t complain about the other guy playing by the rules the Republicans put in place. If you don’t like the rules then do something about it.

          • Canistercook

            Citizens United is a left wing group as is Townhall a right wing group. Both the Corporations and the Union leaders are trying to buy voters and I am smart enough to know they are and rise above their brain washing.

          • lindablue

            Citizen United is an non profit/independent group of citizens trying to get corporate funding out of elections. Get your facts straight. They fight for “We the people” not for “Corporations are people too my friend.”

          • Canistercook

            Citizens united i in favor of getting Corporate and Union as well as Pac money out of funding elections which is why they are non-profit and tax free. They are fighting for all the people, rich and poor alike to take big money contributions from buying our Congressmen and President. Right now they are not succeeding though!

          • lindablue

            Really cause people who believe in getting big money out of politics should be joining them.

          • lindablue

            Your right they want all big money out of elections.

          • lindablue

            Really a left wing group wants to take the Union voice away so that big business can drop your wages down to minimum wage. Yeah right. It’s a non partisan group. Has nothing to do with left or right that’s why it’s so scary to you.

          • lindablue

            Isn’t profit their reward for their risk? Small businesses don’t get this advantage and neither should S Corps and Blue Chip Corps. I for one have no problem with Obama saving our auto makers they are at a unfair disadvantage to foreign auto makers since their countries subsidize their auto makers, I wouldn’t have a problem with our government subsidizing our steel makers since they too are at a disadvantage with other countries subsidizing their steel industry. We must do what needs to be done to compete on a level playing field.

          • Canistercook

            The Government cannot ‘subsidize’ any company – the taxpayers must come up with the subsidy money and with many people in California now paying up to 50% of their net earnings in the various taxes they are not thrilled with Brown’s new tax increases to fund government pensions let alone more tax increases. Sooner or later if you penalize your workers like you suggest they leave and we would become just another 3rd world country. Looks like we are heading in that direction. A level playing field requires that you can make a good car for $10,000 if most of the workers in other countries can. Japan and most other countries do not subsidize their export companies. Do you suggest we borrow more money from China to provide these subsidies! Guess eventually we might all be working for China!

          • lindablue

            Yea too bad they voted in Arnie who drove their deficit sky high. Our government through our tax dollars subsidizes oil, gas, and coal, and they are not even American companies they are multi national companies. I’m I right or wrong?

          • Canistercook

            I don’t know exactly all the subsidies but I feel we need to know more about them. The California government put BTE in our gasoline and subsidized gasoline companies to put it in our gasoline and now they are taxing us to remove it from our water wells! There is way too much PORK distributed in DC by them all. That’s why I think we already pay too much tax.

          • lindablue

            Google it if you want to know.

          • lindablue

            I do know the the California government put BTE in your gas to control smog just like many large congested states do. Arizona also does this because of the large population in Phoenix and surrounding area. They understand that without air regulations they would pay more in health care cost.

          • Canistercook

            Well the California government took out BTE several years ago because they found it was poisoning our water wells and did not help with SMOG. Sure hope Arizona is not still using it!
            They understand diddly all! It was another government boondoggle!

          • lindablue

            As I have known many people who have moved out of California it’s not just their tax base that drives the population out of that state. It’s high housing prices. Not enough affordable homes. Business is very happy in your state as they are in every state cause the tax payer subsidize them in every state.

          • lindablue

            Really I didn’t know that putting your money in a Swiss Bank accounts, the Cayman Isles, and Bermuda was investing in Government Bonds that help our country. I must of miss that one on Romney’s tax returns. Or Koch’s brother’s returns, or Sheldon Adelson’s returns, or the Walton’s Families returns. By the way the government has investigations into all of them for Foreign Corruption Practices.

          • Canistercook

            Owing a foreign or Swiss bank account is not corruption. Provided you declare it and pay tax on any earnings it is perfectly legal. If one does business overseas as most companies and executives do they hold money overseas. Government is looking for those who cheat or money launder.
            Seems like you have made up your mind though to call Romney a cheat and/or a liar just because he is richer than you. He could sit back and play golf but he apparently like me is concerned about the direction of our country and is willing to take on the job to try and save it.

          • lindablue

            Yeah the problem is that if you have a Swiss Bank account the Swiss don’t report how much you have in it and we have to take the word of the crook that is tax evading in their own country.

          • Canistercook

            Yes and you have to take the word of the small merchant that deals in cash and the tree surgeon who chops down trees – there are crooks and honest people. That does not mean that everyone who has some money for overseas business in a foreign bank is a crook.

          • lindablue

            Oh their not idle greedy?

          • lindablue

            So you don’t question why Romney feels the need to prop up other countries with his money. Thank goodness he is so patriotic and supports China, Iran, Switzerland, Cayman, Bermuda, at our expense. Not to mention being the guy with the blue print to ship good paying manufacturing jobs over seas.

          • lindablue

            You have an excuse for everything. You excuse the rich for hiding their money which denies our country of much needed resources for infrastructure, you blame the small businessman who is barely making a living for doing work for cash to hide his earnings, and yet you just can’t wrap your brain around the fact that the odds are stacked against you and you are perfectly willing to vote the guy in that has been stacking the odds against you.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t excuse anyone for ‘hiding money’ but so far Romney has not had a chance to ‘stack any odds against me’ but I want to give him a chance to give us all a fair shake.

          • lindablue

            Lol. Romney the creator of the blue print for shipping American jobs to China has not stacked the odds against you. LMBO. Do you under stand that every dollar he does not pay in taxes comes out of your pocket?

          • lindablue

            Ah and there is the catch. Romney did not declare his earnings from his off shore accounts until he decided to run for office and still owes the government for those earnings. You do know that he always owes the government money because he defers his taxes year to year.

          • Canistercook

            I have to defer my tax return because sometimes if I don’t get all the right information sent me.
            However estimated taxes must be timely paid even if one defers filing ones return. No where did I see that Romney has failed to pay anything he owed the government. You seem to be either a very misinformed individual or brainwashed!

          • lindablue

            Do you defer your taxes every year? Do you owe the I.R.S. money every time you defer your taxes or do you get large checks back from the government? Yeah Romney didn’t owe the government taxes until he decided to run for office then he decided he better pay a little so people didn’t know how many tax loop hole he really gets. Fair taxation!!!!

          • Canistercook

            No one is allowed automatically to ‘defer’ their taxes unless they are bankrupt. You can file your RETURN though by filing for an extension to file your 1040 as late as October 15th. However your taxes must be paid in advance on the April 15th deadline or you must pay penalties and interest. Many do file for an extension, especially if they do not have all the information available to them on April 15th.

          • lindablue

            Oh by the way most working Americans give to charities without using their charitable deductions. They support their local schools bands, choirs, sports teams, Boy’s/Cub/Girls Scout programs, Veteran organizations, Running for the Cure Cancer, Little Leagues, give to local food pantry’s. Just because it comes out of their pockets weekly and not all in one big check don’t think the average worker is not just as important as any other giver or that they don’t do their fair share of giving. They just don’t burden themselves with reporting it for a tax deduction.

          • ps2os2

            Exactly…. The weekly/bi-weekly/monthly contribution going to a multiple charities and at the end of the year it doesn’t meet the minimum for tax deduction (I went though this for 20+ years). To top it off places like the United Way gives to boy scouts who clearly discriminate against gays (I stopped that a few years ago and stopped giving). I am trying to remember but as (at that time) I did not own a house and was not able to take the deduction for interest on the mortgage. I think I was taxed at 30 percent (or there abouts).
            I now own a home and can take the deduction but it really doesn’t amount to much (granted I am on disability) .

          • lindablue

            Then you get the “Earned Income Tax Credit.” I have no problem with that it helps my parents every year since they are retired and on a fixed income. The one good thing Ronald Reagan did for the low income for whom he loved to Reilly against.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            canister: She IS that DENSE !!
            She posted that “the rich in this country have 288.1 % of ALL the wealth”!!
            … and then could not understand why that was a “Biden Blooper”…. go figure !

        • Canistercook

          didn’t know the ‘government’ had any money to give ‘gifts’ out to anyone!

        • http://www.facebook.com/joel.sorenson.9 Joel Sorenson

          wait you mean he didn’t “BUILD THAT!” no he didn’t. We did and WE need to claim it. WE NEED to stand up and call him on his bull shit.

      • fedupwitgop

        Yes turned around Bain and sent the jobs marching straight to China, Cayman Island, Bermuda and God only knows where else since he will not release his tax returns!!! Mitt Romney thinks he can win the election with lies, half truths and saying one thing today and flipping that same thing around tomorrow. Can’t trust him too unstable as Ann Romney said in an interview if he is elected president, she “worries about his mental stability”.

    • dalnb

      I would hope your message is being spread to every family member, every relative, friend and neighbor. It is imperative we do everything we can to see America is not sold to the highest bidder. Keep America the land of the free, the land so many of us fought for, so many died for. We do not need hypocrites marching to the tune of draft dodgers running our country!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3FATEF4HH3R4XHFZRVS6U5UON4 Charles

      Talk about real Flip -Flop aspiring president to be. How desperate for want of presidency. I am really tired of this very unreasonable and immature attitude in a person. It is frustration to the people. Please Mr Presidential candidate, take a stand in a belief, we cannot follow a person who cannot make up their mind, and by chaging ciolors whenever you pleases, not caring who you are hurting is wrong. It is not how to rule or be a leader, for the most part.

    • joujou228

      And there lies the problem. He did this and won for Governor in Mass. This time, he’s going down with his flip/flop/flip/flop…….. I am so sick and tired of him saying one thing on camera, and then his campaign putting out the total opposite statement. Geoge W Bush had trouble remember the fool me once comment. America remember the whole comment “fool me once, shame on you, fool twice, shame on me”

    • Canistercook

      Well we do know which Obama will show up. The far left leaning one that has little or no experience as a leader or organizer – Our first Black President!

      • lindablue

        We hope so.

        • jarheadgene

          If you are in agreement with Canistercook I wonder…..are you racists? You probably feel very comfortable voting for ALL GOP that support your GOP Candidate in Arkansas…LOY MAUCH who compares Abraham Lincoln to Karl Marx. …ha.ha.ha…He says slavery is a blessing…..ha..ha..ha…YOU REPUBLICANS should be SO ASHAMED these days. To align yourselves with RACISTS, Religious Zealots, and Rich Elitist snobs………you are way too …too ignorant.

          • lindablue

            Sorry to disappoint you my friend but I’m not a GOP supporter and you would know that is you read my post. Sarcasm.

          • jarheadgene

            SORRY……DUH…..I guess my first clue was that you sign as lindaBLUE….duh. Sorry but I tried to post that more as a response to Canistercook. And yeah….I see your other post. Sorry. I am so looking forward to tonight’s debate. I hope Obama comes out and just about SCREAMS…..L I A R !!!!! And I pray for a better moderator than Jim Leher…..wow has he lost his touch.

          • lindablue

            It’s lindablue, tyvm. I too hope Obama can carry the night. No he hasn’t lost his touch he was flood by the constant lies of his opponent about his own policies, as was everyone who follow Romney for the last 2 years. Newt warned us all that Romney is liar – in – chief.

          • ps2os2

            @lindablue
            I would not use Newt as a quotable source. He is at once worse than Romney and the rest of the GOP combined.

          • lindablue

            Lol. They all copy Newt. Worse or just the same?

          • ps2os2

            I beg to defer. Newt has made a mess of his personal and professional life. Taking money from places he should know better and handling of his personal life is just legend. At least Mitt has a reasonably sane personal life. He (at least so far) has no need to take money from corporations that are trying to get something out of the government (you might disagree on this but I am not going to deep as that would open a can of worms).
            He is wealthy enough to run around Washington with his wallet open begging for money to pay his Tiffany bill.

            Newt was the worst of the lot, followed by Santorium. There was another but he wasn’t up to get get any votes because of his dishonesty.

          • lindablue

            When did honesty ever play into Republican politics? Lol. I do agree that Newt is worse although Romney’s personal life as far as family seems ideal his actions/behavior in his private school as a teen was far from ideal. Unless of course being a bully and cutting another students hair is model behavior. If he had done this today he would have been arrested of less of course your father is the Governor of the state in which the school is.

          • ps2os2

            Thanks for pointing out I had forgotten about that. Thats one more strike (that we know about).
            Bullying is a major item that should be sent to every voter in the next few weeks.
            From his bio (and thats all I know) I would worry about the very idea that a president to be would be on the door steps of Frenchmen trying to convert them to Mormanism *AND* another item I had forgotten was that he was not a steller type in college. My memory is saying he got mostly “B”‘s when you compare it to Obama it was abysmal. Being president of the Harvard Law review requires a first class mind but what feet did mitt do while in college… nothing comes to mind.

          • lindablue

            During his college days didn’t he rally for the war before going to the France Chaetae?

          • ps2os2

            You know I am not going to take him to task on that. I think you have a right to make your thoughts known during a protest. However I draw the line at breaking the law like painting or some other destructive means.

          • lindablue

            Did you notice Mitt’s disrespect for Candy Crowely in the debate last night? He tried bullying her and she put him right in his place. Did you also notice is was less than truthful about his stance on contraceptives, he did not say he supported the Lilly Ledbetter Act, he blamed mother’s for gun violence, he knew no women to hire for his Administration in Mass when he became Gov. Wonder how Ann will get him out of this one?

          • ps2os2

            Yes.
            It pretty much showed that Jim Leher(sp?) was not up to the duty. He might be a terrific news anchor but that is where it ends.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    At the rate he is going he might as well change his first name to Barack! After months of demonizing women not only because of abortion but even those that use contraceptives, the GOP standard bearer now promises not to overturn Roe Vs Wade! My first reaction was pity towards those who feel strongly about this issue, but I then remembered that abortion, like spending reductions, the Arab Spring and everything else are just pawns in a chess game to be sacrificed when necessary to get a check mate.
    Republicans may not realize it yet, but they have lost all credibility and at this point they have nothing they can truly call a value they are willing to fight for to the bitter end. Flip flopping needs to be redefined to accomodate the Republican habit to change positions.

    • dotutz

      Can you just imagine what life will be if good ole Mitt wins? I shudder every time I think of it!

      • Edsanjuan

        dotutz: Get ready for the landslide vote against Obozo on November 6th …

        • CPANY

          The polls indicate a very close election.

          • lindablue

            We always have close elections because of the low information voters in the Republican Party that continue to vote against their own best interest and for the interest of the rich. They love low wages, no medical benefits, and no pensions.

    • CPANY

      Mr. Vila:

      If the Republicans have lost all credibility, then why is Romney doing so well in the polls, even among old people? Don’t get me wrong. I hate Romney’s guts.

      But, you have to be practical: don’t underestimate the enemy. A lot of people like him. He was even able to win the governorship in non-Mormon Massachusetts. But, then again, those people are Red Sox fans, so there’s really no accounting for their actions.

      • ChicagoGirl2975

        Then why is he so far behind in the polls in state of Massachusetts? Clearly the constituents who know him the best like him the least.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXUFSMTKTK3UCL3ZFPJPONXAVM mac macey

        Mitt’s one debate doesn’t make him a President.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

        Well That Depend On What Polls You Seen!! But The Answer Is Tell On The Only Poll That Counts And That’s The Voter Booth Polls!!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

          Fernie: STFU !!
          Let the INTELLIGENT (more or lesssss!!) people post !!!!

      • Joseph Hemphill

        We must be vigilant and get out and vote, statistics say there are more Democrats than republicans but Dems are less likely to vote. The low information voters are to be feared, they did give W two terms after all.

        • DurdyDawg

          Not really.. The second one was determined by robed idiots.. Had the supreme court majority been Libs then Dubya wouldn’t have had a chance no matter how much the GOP sabotaged the counts. By the way I recently read that yesterday at the deadline of early voting in a particular state (can’t remember which one) the Dems outnumbered the Pubs six to one.. I think the message is being heard.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            It Was Florida!!! Yes They Seen All Flip Flopping And Bait Switching Plus Heard Enough Of Their LIES!!!

        • Edsanjuan

          Joe: It is true, to quote you, that “Dems are less likely to vote.”
          …. But it is also true that they vote twice, …. or thrice …

          • Joseph Hemphill

            gee, the only voter fraud I’ve seen in the news is republican fraud.

          • Edsanjuan

            Gee, Joe: Voter fraud “in the news”??!!
            No way, for 2 reasons:
            1) Voter fraud is almost impossible to detect. Once the non-ID “voter” leaves the polling place, nobody can identify that vote as fraudulent.
            2) The “journalists” in this country are subservient to Obama and the Liberals. Don’t ever expect them to “show” voter fraud in “their” newscasts.
            Wake up Joe !!

          • lindablue

            Oh their you go again whining over something you can’t prove. Prove the voter fraud in this country?

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: There (NOT “their”, Linda !) YOU go again ! Whining about the “non-existence” of voter fraud in this country.
            FYI, linda, Don’t ever doubt that it occurs, given 2 facts:
            a) soooo easy to perpetrate (means easy to DO, Linda …)
            b) difficult, almost impossible to detect.
            Is the fact that so few illegal drugs are ever intercepted at the US-Canada border “proof” that illegal drugs do not enter through Canada?
            Well, to answer my own question, in the minds of you liberal retards, YESSSS !!

          • lindablue

            Prove where voter fraud has been found. Where is your proof?

          • Edsanjuan

            dear linda: There you go again with your OBTUSE (look it up, Linda …) questions.
            Let me answer by repeating: Whining about the “non-existence” of voter fraud in this country. FYI, linda, Don’t ever doubt that it occurs, given 2 facts:
            a) soooo easy to perpetrate (means easy to DO, Linda …)
            b) difficult, almost impossible to detect. Is the fact that so few illegal drugs are ever intercepted at the US-Canada border “proof” that illegal drugs do not enter through Canada? Well, to answer my own question, in the minds of you liberal retards, YESSSS !!

          • lindablue

            Got any data to back up your ignorance?

          • lindablue

            The only whiner on here is you.

      • DurdyDawg

        Everybody takes these polls too seriously.. Each day even the same pollsters will come out with different results in accordance to who they poll. The only poll that’s accurate is the total count on Nov. 6th. Don’t believe me? Check out other polls not affiliated with politics and see if you agree with them. Their bogus.. An on-going media money maker, period. I go by my feelings, my comparison of each candidates failures and successes and how they gained or lost and the lies involved.. I do not vote according to what others tell me.. It is MY vote, not theirs…!

      • lindablue

        He is not winning in Massachusetts now, they remember the debt he left them in.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OLT3BBICDAFJXQAHHKXXLJUCH4 Stella53

    Mr. Flip Flopping Etch-A-Sketch does it again! Will the real Mitt Romney please rise? Who are you?

    • jarheadgene

      Here I am……

    • JSquercia

      The REAL Mitt Romney is someone who will do anything to avoid paying taxes .
      Want to bet that Mitt has already filed that amended return taking the full amount of Charitable deductions .They said he didn’t take the full amount so that his taxes would be in the range he said they would fall . There is NO way in Hell that Mitt is NOT going to file an amended return

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Just Heard That Romney Bully A Woman In The Mormon Church Not To Have An Abortion When It Was A Life And Death Situation For Her!!! Romney Has A Lot Of Evil Things In His Past!! And That The Main Reason Why He Wont Show More Of His Tax Returns!!! The Man Is Awful!!!

      • Edsanjuan

        Fern: That’s not what you said about Romney when you were married to him ….

    • DurdyDawg

      Haven’t you figured it out yet? There is no ‘real’ Mitt Romney.. There’s only past employed bodies and Chinese slaves that he’s created for profit.

  • AMADAL

    Again RoMoney is acting like a fish out of water because that what he is–trying to go where he has no business going and don’t fit in.

  • CooofNJ

    I never really had problems with so-called “flip-flopping”. I always felt it was fine, and in fact admirable, to adjust your views with new information. We should all be learning creatures. Mr. Romney however, just has me reeling! I read in a NYT magazine article this past weekend a discussion on how he, at one time, supported abortion rights, but then changed his mind based upon information about stem cell research. Okay, he is allowed to change his mind. But please, don’t keep going back and forth!

  • lindablue

    I guess Romney doesn’t pay attention to what is going on in his own Party.

    • DurdyDawg

      Oh, he knows alright.. Fact is, he thinks HE’S the party thus they bow to him.. then when it’s all over and done, he’ll blame his lose on Obama (which this time will be true).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Irene-Padilla/100003471503852 Irene Padilla

    Romney is ONLY for Romney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      And Maybe The 2% Rich People But He Might Turn On Them!!! The Man Is A Sociopath!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jgyarmathy1 Judy Gyarmathy

    He is a hypocrite. If he does that to his own church, what would he do as President? We don’t need a hypocrite running our country. Romney is scary and not all there mentally. I think that is why President Obama was in shock and awe when he heard Romney’s comments during the debate. I was. I think that Romney has a split personality.

    • CPANY

      I don’t think that his personality is split. I think that he’s an overbearing prick and showed that to the nation. I also think that he is such an elitist that he doesn’t care what ordinary people think of him.

      • JuneBug2

        Romney showed what a bully he is when he pointed his finger at Jim Leher and said he would fire him. He’s a rich Bully Boy!

    • lindablue

      Well even his wife has concerns for his mental stability. So should we. Slippery Mitt.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        linda: You OBTUSE you !! Even your HUSBAND (if he still has not DIVORCED you) has doubts about YOUR mental stability (…. and Fern’s !!)

        • lindablue

          We all see your mentally unstable. Take your Prozac and see your doctor you TP trash.

  • Melvin Chatman

    It’s a SHAME when somebody goes “MISSING” with no signs of a struggle!
    We’ll NEVER know the “Real Mittens” – easier to find a Cure for the Common Cold”

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      We Know The Real Mitt Romney The One Who Had Caught Up With His Rich Crowd Throwing 47% Of American Under The Bus!!! That’s The Real Mitt Romney!!!

      • lindablue

        The one who went out on his yacht on the 4th of July.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

          linda and Fernie: You both make a TEAM !!!! …. of RETARDS !!
          Get a life, BOTH of you !!

          • lindablue

            Again take your Prozac and see your doctor you piece of TP garbage.

  • RobertMay4

    I think that is why Obama looked like a deer in the headlights. He could not believe what Willard was telling the people by saying the opposites of what he was preaching during the primaries. How would it be if you were ready for a debate and your opponent was preaching your policies instead of his own? Pretty scary, I would hate to have Romney in the driver’s seat when a policy is set in place and Willard comes out a day later and speaks with a foreign tongue.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P3F5G3HC7UO6HYPWJPL6OOJECI Saverio

    It appears Romney will say anything and has said everything, often going back and forth depending on who he is appealing to. Is this what we want as our President?
    I hope not.

    • lindablue

      Not to mention a Romney Presidency = Out Sourcing the rest of America.

      • Edsanjuan

        lindablue: Don’t worry. Even you will be able to recognize President Romney’s first 4 years as what this Nation desperately needed….

        • lindablue

          “The country is headed toward a single and splendid government of an aristocracy founded on banking institutions and moneyed incorporations and if this tendency continues it will be the end of freedom and democracy, the few will be ruling…I hope we shall…crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to trial and bid defiance to the laws of our country. I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.”[1] Thomas Jefferson. Do we ever learn from history.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: WHO, pray tell, bailed the banks and the corporations “too big to fail”?
            Your perception of reality is so defective !!

          • lindablue

            G.W. Bush put Congress in a tough spot. Telling them if they did not pass the bail out that very night that the whole U.S. banking system would collapses. The terms of the bail out was under G.W, Bush and Paulson.
            The TARP program was created in 2008 to stabilize the financial system. The Treasury Department has committed more than $500 billion to more than 800 firms through the program. While Mr. Obama did not enact TARP, his administration has largely been responsible for administering it.
            Jan. 10 (Bloomberg) — Henry Paulson’s bank bailouts, done under “great stress” during the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, failed to win for U.S. taxpayers what Warren Buffett received for his shareholders by investing in Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
            The Treasury secretary made 174 purchases of banks’ preferred shares that include warrants to buy stock at a later date. While he invested $10 billion in Goldman Sachs in October, twice as much as Buffett did the month before, Paulson gained certificates worth one-fourth as much as the billionaire, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The Goldman Sachs terms were repeated in most of the other bank bailouts.
            Paulson’s decisions to prop up the financial system included purchasing shares in institutions from Goldman Sachs, the most profitable Wall Street firm last year, to Saigon National Bank, a Westminster, California, lender whose market value is $3.8 million.
            “We were not looking to replicate one-off private deals” in the transactions, made under the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, Paulson said in a Bloomberg TV interview yesterday.
            “The market was under great stress and the private sector was extracting very, very severe terms. What we were attempting to do, which I think we did successfully, was design a program that would be accepted by a large group of healthy banks with terms that would replicate what you would get in normal market conditions,” he said.
            ‘20-20 Hindsight’

            “With 20/20 hindsight,” the bank-capital injections have achieved their objectives and the decisions on TARP will “prove to be the right ones,” the Treasury secretary said.
            Paulson’s warrant deals may give taxpayers less profit from any recovery in financial stocks than shareholders such as Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, owner of 4 percent of Citigroup Inc., said Simon Johnson, former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund.
            The transactions are “just egregious,” said Johnson, a fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “You want to do it the way Warren does it.”
            Paulson said “he had to make it attractive to banks, which is code for ‘I’m going to give money away,’” said Joseph Stiglitz, who won a Nobel Prize in 2001 for his work on the economic value of information.
            ‘Giveaway’

            “The worst aspect of this is that they were designed not to do what they were supposed to do,” he said in a telephone interview from Paris Jan. 7. “In many ways, it’s not only a giveaway, but a giveaway that was designed not to work.”
            The Treasury would have held warrants for 116 million shares of Goldman Sachs under Buffett’s terms, which would be equivalent to a 21 percent stake when added to those currently outstanding. Instead, the dilution is 2.7 percent under the Treasury plan. Blankfein is the company’s biggest individual investor, with 2.08 million shares worth about $178 million today, according to Bloomberg data. His 0.47 percent interest would have declined to 0.36 percent under Buffett’s terms and would be 0.44 percent if the Treasury’s warrants were exercised

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: WOW !! ANOTHER copy-and-paste from somewhere too long to read !

          • lindablue

            You asked a question and I took the time to find the answer for you. Lazy f***king TP troll.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            linda: The “TP” will be the cause of Obozo’s demise, you Occupy-Wall-Street-Idiot.
            And that will happen because you Democraps are CORRUPT (and most of you, also STUPID like you !)

          • lindablue

            The only corrupt Party is the one afraid of the peoples vote.

          • lindablue

            I know educating oneself takes a lot of reading. Sorry if you find that reading it is too daunting for you.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            linda: Depends on where you do your “reading”, my dear.
            I guess you “read” at Mother Jones, MSLSD (Rachel MADCOW), Michael Moore’s “movies”, whatever Pelosi “feeds” you, Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg, Wolf Blitzer, and, the biggest IDIOT of all, …. TA DA!!!! …. BILL MAHER !! Ha, ha, ha, haaaa !!!
            Get a life, linda …

          • lindablue

            You get your information form the Cato Institute, Heartland Institute, Brietbart blog, The Family Center, listening to Rush, Glen Beck, and Faux News. All discredited and use no facts.

          • lindablue

            My friend if being defective means understanding reality I’m guilty as hell.

        • lindablue

          Sensata is a Bain-owned company that is closing a factory in in Freeport, Il to move the jobs to China. The workers have set up a camp they call “Bainport” and workers and supporters are trying to block the Bain trucks that are moving equipment out to ship to China right now. In breaking news there were arrests made on Monday. Yeah great for America. We need more Bain and less American jobs?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/C6P4ROIDYULYUIUH5WPHOAEDDY FRED

    Flip flop Romney is at it again. He will lie and cheat and say or do anything
    to get elected.

  • karinursula

    Are we demo they only one who reads about this crap? Don’t the Rep not understand what a flip-flopper he is. If he would get the White House would he tell us something today and tomorrow something else? Romney is just not only a flipp-fl0pper he is also dangerous. What prevents him saying he is not going to war and than changes his mind? Actually this Man scares me, I don’t want to call the American people stupid, but you need to wake up and see this man for what he really is.

    • CPANY

      Karinursula:

      Don’t hesitate to call the American voter stupid. Many of them are stupid.

      I notice that you use going to war as an example. Please keep in mind that Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, campaigned for re-election on the platform “He kept us out of the war.” As soon as he was re-elected, he got us into World War I.

      Same with Franklin Roosevelt. He promised to keep us out of World War II. He didn’t keep his promise, did he? Of course, Japan stupidly started our participation by attacking Pearl Harbor, but Roosevelt openly favored the allies and precipitated the Japanese attack by embargoing shipments of oil and steel to Japan. I think that ol’ Franklin knew that he was inviting an attack by a nation that grossly overestimated its fighting ability.

      • Edsanjuan

        CPANY: Yes, I agree: The American voters were stupid in 2008, but they have learned a lesson (they have learned it from Obozo, the MOST inept President in history) and will NOT be stupid in 2012.
        In 2008 the liberal mobs went crazy with this guy who promised (promises, promises !) “hope and change”; they did not care whether he could deliver (he has not), only that he “promised” .
        …. what happened??

        • lindablue

          The American voter were stupid in 2010 and stop any progress for which they would have benefitted from. Tea Party = no jobs, no Social Security, no health care, no pensions, no fairness.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: Tell me you are joking; you can’t be THAT naive !!
            What did the Democraps achieve between 2008 and 2010 when they had complete (and filibuster-proof) control of BOTH houses of the Legislative AND also the Executive ?? DUH !!

          • lindablue

            ACA, Lilly Ledbetter Act, Better health care for U.S. troops coming home for Iraq.
            Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives for the 112th Congress, is focused on strengthening America’s middle class and creating jobs. From 2007 to 2011, Pelosi served as Speaker of the House, the first woman to do so in American history.
            Under the leadership of Pelosi, the 111th Congress was heralded as “one of the most productive Congresses in history” by Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein. President Barack Obama stated, Speaker Pelosi “is an extraordinary leader for the American people” and the Christian Science Monitor wrote: “…make no mistake: Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful woman in American politics and the most powerful House Speaker since Sam Rayburn a half century ago.”
            Working in partnership with President Obama, Pelosi led the House effort to pass the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in early 2009 to create and save millions of American jobs, provide relief for American families, and provide a tax cut to 95 percent of working Americans. With the House Democratic Caucus, Pelosi continues to focus on the need to create jobs in America and prevent them from being shipped overseas.
            Pelosi spearheaded passage of historic health insurance reform legislation in the House which provides a Patients’ Bill of Rights and will provide insurance for 32 million more Americans while lowering health care costs over the long term. The new law provides patients with affordable insurance choices, curbs abuses by the insurance industry, strengthens Medicare, and will reduce the deficit by $143 billion over the next 10 years.
            In the 111th Congress, Pelosi also lead the Congress in passing strong Wall Street reforms to rein in big banks and protect consumers as well as the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, which expands educational opportunities and reforms the financial aid system to save billions of taxpayers’ dollars.
            Additional key legislation passed into law included the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to restore the ability of women and all workers to access our judicial system to fight pay discrimination, legislation to provide health care for 11 million American children, national service legislation, and hate crimes legislation. In late 2010, Pelosi led the Congress in passing child nutrition and food safety legislation as well as repealing the discriminatory “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, which prohibited gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.
            Pelosi has made energy security her flagship issue, enacting comprehensive energy legislation in 2007 that raised vehicle fuel efficiency standards for the first time in 32 years and making an historic commitment to American home grown biofuels. In 2009, under her leadership, the House passed the landmark American Clean Energy and Security Act – a comprehensive bill to create clean energy jobs, combat climate change, and transition America to a clean energy economy. The legislation was blocked by Republicans in the United States Senate, but sent a strong signal to the world on the United States’ commitment to fighting the climate crisis.
            In continuing to push for accountability and transparency in government, under Speaker Pelosi, the House has passed the toughest ethics reform legislation in the history of the Congress, including the creation of an independent ethics panel, increased accountability and transparency in House operations, including earmark reforms. As Speaker, Pelosi led the fight to pass the DISCLOSE Act in the House, which fights a corporate takeover of U.S. elections and ensures additional disclosure.
            Additional key accomplishments signed into law under the leadership of Speaker Pelosi include: an increase in the minimum wage for the first time in 10 years, the largest college aid expansion since the GI bill in more than 60 years, and a new GI education bill for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and increased services for the veterans, caregivers, and the Veterans Administration.
            Pelosi will mark her 25th year of service in the House representing San Francisco, California’s Eighth District, in 2012. She made history in November 2002 when House Democrats elected her the first woman to lead a major political party. Pelosi served as Democratic Leader from 2003 to 2007 and previously served as House Democratic Whip for one year.

            Not to mention the first back in leadership over the House and Means Committee.

            You must live under a rock or have a very short memory. Either way you very ill informed.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: It is you who live under a rock.
            I didn’t know you could post a “cut-and-paste” article from Wikipedia about the “achievements” of Nancy Pelosi before the 2010 “debacle”….
            And, let me ask you, if the Democrats’ and Obama’s record is so good and their achievements so many, then why is the Obama campaign about Romney and not about his record/achievements?
            ANSWER: Because there is NO record (I don’t mean his college records….) and few (being generous) achievements !

          • lindablue

            You have a lot of opinions but never provide facts. Where is your facts?

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: AGAIN, get some BASIC English composition classes !
            “Where ‘is’ your facts?” Yo !!

          • lindablue

            The democrats campaign about Romney has been truthful. You just can’t except the truth. Like all Republicans you listen to the like of Faux New, Limbaugh, and Beck the wholly rollers of fear mongers.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda, oh, please linda: I am beginning to lose my faith in you !
            You do not even know what “Faux” means ! You just repeat, as the USEFUL MORON that you are (see? I’m losing my patience here), what you’ve heard from OTHER useful morons about Fox News ….
            Oh, brother ….

          • lindablue

            I can’t even watch Faux News tried once but they like you they use no facts to based their fear mongering, slant everything in the Republican direction, take Karl Roves/ Heartland Institutes/ The family Centers slander advise, and use people like Malkin and Beck to put fear into old peoples lives.

          • lindablue

            I live under a rock then you must live under a boulder.

    • lindablue

      The only thing Republicans have ever cared about is power. They could care less about the means to get it.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        linda, you moron: NOT “COULD care less”!!
        Repeat after me, …. 125 times every morning: “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less”; “COULDN’T care less” !!
        In 3 to 6 more years (Romney’/Ryan 1st OR 2nd term) you MIGHT (not a sure thing, given your advanced condition of “moron-ness”) get it !!
        You, linda, are a HOPELESS moron !!

        • lindablue

          Who are you an English professor? You f******G TP MORON. When you have no argument you resort to picking on peoples grammar. Still in grade school, aye?

  • Johnny

    If there is to be no abortion, why is it so outstanding that there will be no support for planned parenthood? What is it you idiots just don’t comprehend. Reversing Roe & Wade will mean no abortions. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    • AMADAL

      Hey smart guy, NO government money goes for abortions. Planned Parenthood only uses private donations for abortions. Many poor woomen need Planned Parenthood for their healthcare needs–one of the biggest needs is breast cancer screening as well as other cancer screenings. Try finding out what an agency does before you try and comment on it. You know it is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

  • William Deutschlander

    I am 75 tears young and have been involved volunteering, following politics since my teens, even served as a small city chairman at one time.
    I am a registered Independent.
    In all my years of political involvment, I have never witnessed so much crass misrepresentation, LIES, as is evident and the normal, in the Romney Republican Party.
    It is apparent that Mormons, Romney, certainly do not follow the tenents of lieing that Jesus proclaimed. Yes I also taught religous education.
    Only a slithering snake would proclaim one thing in front of the audience, cameras, press and then behind the scenes have his aide then issue, very secretly, that the slithering snake did not mean what he said, to placate the zealots.
    As a Christian I find this common practice of Romney vile and vulgar, no other statesman in the world could possibly beleive anything Romney might say, much less the American people.

    • CPANY

      Mr. Deutschlander:

      I believe that many American voters are very gullible and will vote for Mittens for a number of reasons: aversion to rising taxation, racial prejudice, ignorance of the impact of what he advocates on one’s personal life, stupidity, etc.

      Don’t understimate the attraction of the demagogue.

      • Edsanjuan

        CPANY: Truer words were never spoken: “Don’t understimate the attraction of the demagogue.” Look at what Obozo has been able to achieve !!

        • CPANY

          We certainly don’t have an all-star cast running for president, but even though I’m a registered Republican, I think that Obama is better for me, so I’ll vote for him.

          • Edsanjuan

            CPANY: Go ahead. Shoot yourself in the foot ….

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            CPANY: You?? A “registered Republican”???? !!!!
            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,m ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaa!!!!!
            You, CPANY, do not possess HALF the brains or HALF the “smarts”, or HALF the sophistication, or HALF the common sense to be a Republican, ….. MUCH LESS a Conservative !!
            THAT was FUNNNNNNNNYYYY!!!

          • CPANY

            That’s right Eduardo, but in those long ago days, the Republican Party was conservative.

            No longer. Now it’s the party of the brain damaged rednecks, illegal aliens and neocons who want to turn this country into a modern day version of Hitlerite Germany. I’m disgusted with it.

            I’m uncertain where you would fit in those descriptive terms, though. You may require a new term: asshole.

  • 1standlastword

    Axel said: “As in the presidential debate, Romney has largely abandoned his fire-and-thunder conservative rhetoric, and tried to woo the small but influential percentage of undecided voters with new, as-yet-unheard-of centrist policies.”
    ******************************************

    No…Axel!! In 1994 Mitt’s position on abortion was exactly what this most recent version of Mitt says–while the severe conservative version of Mitt…the one that showed up at the laughable rEpUbLiCaN con-convention said he’d appoint supreme court justices that who overturn R v.R

    Now we had Soledad O’Brien chewin up a vulnerable Mitt staffer on the contradiction about Palestine and a false difference between Mitt and Obama on Iran

    And, Mitt is locked in a statistical tie with Obama.

    Only on planet Earth!?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000053320048 Phyllis Kosen

    Interesting choice of words “that I’m aware of.” Lets him sign into law new legislation if, heaven forbid, he becomes president without being accused of lying once more, and in the meantime his campaign staff can, wink, wink, reassure the anti-abortion base.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RDKMOPC4VKB3IZYNHBU6ZEQEXY john

    Mr Scott missed the point by a wide mile, if true then his pro life stance is a crock if he had someone get an abortion to save his own skin. Its about a woman having the choices about her own body, not some hypocritical man TELLING her what she has to do. And note he did not say it wasnt true but rather attacked the reporting it. Which tells you a lot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

    I am not sure why Romney’s campaign made the statement reversing Romney’s position. He said he would not seek legislation on abortion. According to his previous statements that is true. He has announced that he will use Supreme Court appointments to reverse Roe V. Wade. No legislation required.

    • lindablue

      The President does not seek legislation the House writes the legislation. But he will support their legislation you can be sure of that.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

      Ed: lindablue can not understand what you (correctly) said.
      Please lower your comments to HER level, so she can answer in an “intelligent”, gasp! … way …

      • lindablue

        Eduardo you have no intellect. You’re a follower.

  • http://openid.aol.com/durobs Paul

    No woman and no man who is concerned about women’s rights should even consider voting for Gov. Romney.

    • DurdyDawg

      Gov. my asshairs.. The dupe tossed that away as easily as he tossed good workers to the dogs just so he could gain a position where he could toss even more Americans away like confetti.. His logo is’ servitude’ and his battlefield is every American. Don’t be fooled by this slime bag.. Only his family sees him as a savior (wonder what they’d feel if he was a broke middle class unemployed parent?).

    • lindablue

      Men may not be thinking about the consequences they will live with if this Republican Party wins.

  • ram1020

    All he is saying is that he’s not going to set up a Supreme Court case on Abortion., which would be the result of any legislation. This isnt a change of position, since the Court would not overturn Roe v. Wade, and it would make it harder to change in the future. It is more like a strategy, or a statement of priority.

    Of course, if you don’t understand the stupidity of challenging Roe v Wade now, and only think of all or nothing on every issue, then feel free to enjoy your flip-flop talking point. I think most Americans can think a little deeper than to fall for the rhetoric,.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Myers/100001512942781 Jim Myers

      In response to ram1020, WHY DOESN’T ROMNEY ACTUALLY SAY WHAT HE MEANS?

      Is he afraid that the voting public might actually disagree with him?

      Or that the Ultra-conservatives won’t vote for him?

    • JuneBug2

      Romney would not have to bring the case to the Supreme Court – it could originate anywhere, just as Roe V. Wade did. With 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court and it’s Conservative stance, how long do you think Rv.W would last. Also consider that the new President would have a sure opportunity to appoint one new Supreme Court Justice and possibly two. To have another like Scalia, Roberts, Thomas, – the thought makes my hair stand on end.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TJNSZD4HIXUCOAKXMQZCIUST34 JOEL K

    America should return to the days that the commander and chief lead from the front of his troops rather than the rear. Sleeping in the mud and rain in the open. Served in Vietnam in 5-66/67. OCS class 10-66 Infantry School.

    • lindablue

      Oh yeah lets become Russia.

  • LVSUNSHINE

    I am still trying to figure who is really running for President. Romney will tell the people one thing that he believes in and a couple of hours later the GOP/Teabaggers will say “No he doesn’t believe that way”. Can they not get together and let Romney know what he really believes?

    • lindablue

      The shumck is running but the Tea Party will be the one in control if he wins.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXUFSMTKTK3UCL3ZFPJPONXAVM mac macey

    DesJarlais pokes his peepee into anything with a pulse.

  • emadis41

    Which Romney are we talking about?
    The Pro-Choice of yesteryears, or the Ant-Abortion who said that he wanted to repeal Roe Vs Wade by the Supreme Court just two weeks ago?
    Or is it the Romney who wanted to be elected at any cost?

  • http://www.facebook.com/lutrell.simmons Lutrell Simmons

    romey is just a dam liar and for the life of me i don’t understand how people can fall for his lies every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie i wish he would just go and hide under a rock where he came from he may be smiling now but we will have the last laugh come nov 6

  • Whosoeverwill

    Some say Governor Romney may have a multiple personality. Others including the GOP say that Mitt will change his positions on everything and say what he believes the people wants to hear even though he was against those views moments ago to get elected. This is not good for the country and can’t be accepted by the American people.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

      “Bunny”face Emeka Nnakwe “Enthusiat”:
      One advice and one question:
      Advice: Learn to write “enthusiast”, especially if you are an “enthusiast”;
      Question: Are you Obozo’s younger sister?

      • lindablue

        Romney says one thing in front of the camera and another thing in front of his supporters. He flips more than a fish on the beach.

  • bud2011

    Romney’s position that abortion legislation would not be part of his administration is correct, since that is a medical condition between the patient and the doctor.
    Obama reversed his position on Libya – now admitting that the attack on the embassy was not spontaneous, but a calculated terrist attack, after repeated requests from the ambassodor for security was rejected by the administration.

    • lindablue

      Obama never got on national t.v. and said the Libya attack on the embassy was spontaneous. Obama has been carefully measured and waited for the investigation. Unlike mission accomplished Bush or gun –ho Romney who spoke before he knew the facts and in fact before the attack ever happened.

  • Whosoeverwill

    Some say Governor Romney may have a multiple personality. Others including the GOP say that Mitt will change his positions on everything and say what he believes the people wants to hear even though he was against those views moments ago to get elected. This is not good for the country and can’t be accepted by the American people.

    • lindablue

      A one Republican even called him a liar on national Television, Hmmm, must be something to it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/L33GCFX2EQN3H3PVZGXAG4ZSHQ Jerry

    just rember this morning nixionbushromney for it by lunch time he against it by dinner time he for all the above!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1668820251 Hal Raymond

    Mitt the trip; Mitt the flip; Mitt the jip; now Mitt the waffler! This guy changes his opinion more than a woman (no offense, ladies)!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1668820251 Hal Raymond

    Mitt the trip; Mitt the flip; Mitt the jip; now Mitt the waffler! This guy changes his opinion more than a woman (no offense, ladies)!

    • lindablue

      I don’t know a woman with as many opinions as Mitt the Slippery, especially on one subject, lol.

  • daniel bostdorf

    This is about “Romney Reverses Again On Abortion.”

    NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, TO DO WITH DRAFT DODGING..

    Quoting article:

    “Romney’s off-the-cuff comments on abortion policy were later corrected by his spokespersons—a sequence of events that has been common in this campaign when the Republican candidate has deviated from the script. Spokeswoman Andrea Saul clarified that Romney “would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life,” she told National Review Online‘s Katrina Trinko. His aides, of course, did not concede that the candidate had contradicted himself. Mitt Romney is proudly pro-life and will be a pro-life president,” Saul said.”

    So—-can you Karl Rove right wing paid propagandist get back on topic? Doubt it…

    Distractions and lies and off topic baloney. You are “prisoners of propaganda.”
    Ignorance.

    Plato describes in his “Cave Allegory.”

    Plato likens people who are stupid to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave (ignorance). Behind them burns a fire. (truth) Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers (liars and propagandists) can walk.

    The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see.

    They see propaganda. Karl Rove operatives are unable to see these puppets….They are right wing nazis facists of today.

    Watch these “prisoners of propaganda” and monitor their inane posts.

    oh—just a quick reminder…if you forgot:

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)
    or as Adolph Hitler stated:

    “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying Mitt. And your “prisoners of propaganda.”

    • jarheadgene

      I agree…the opinions just took a detour there, but the point is the same……Romney will flip and flip and flip again, then flop, and flop and flop again.

    • Edsanjuan

      daniel: You (as always) remembered to include Goebbel’s and Hitler’s maxims (for a time, not anymore, they made you seem sophisticated), but you forgot to recommend the book everybody is supposed to read before they dare post on this cesspool of useful idiots and moron liberals.
      LOL !!
      “The private sector is doing fine.” — Barry Obama —

      • lindablue

        The private sector is doing fine they have 288.1% of all the wealth. They have created over 5 million jobs in the last 4 years. They get 92 Billion dollars in corporate welfare every year. Tea Party morons do not provide any facts just communist propaganda.

        • Edsanjuan

          linda, linda: I don’t think you are a bad person; I just think you are as dumb as a box of nails. You repeat all the slogans and over-simplifications your moronic liberal friends feed you:
          How can ANYBODY have 288.1 % (more than 100% and why the “.1″) of ALL the wealth ???!!!
          Therefore, how can ANYBODY in this cesspool called The National Memo read the rest of your moronic post ?

          • lindablue

            More communist rhetoric with no facts.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            linda, linda! Please have anyone of your MORON friends in this cesspool of idiots explain to you (if they can) that NO “facts” are needed to understand and accept that NOBODY can have 288.1 % (more than 100% ) of ALL the wealth !!
            If you, honey, can not understand this “complicated” concept, get some other lib retard to explain it to you….

          • lindablue

            You get on this thread and yet you don’t read any of the articles. How ideology of you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Townsel/100002612877917 James Townsel

    The Republican party puts Mitt Romney up as some-kind of come back kid…that is the illusion they have cast for years…ect.

  • Canistercook

    Romney did not say anything different to what he has always said. He would support the ‘protection of life’ but he has never said he would enact or propose laws on the issue.
    Guess anything he says the writers in the National Memo will find some way to twist it.
    Too bad we can’t have a good debate on the important issues instead of biased twisted articles written by biased journalists. Our country is in trouble and the pro nor anti abortionists will fix the problems.

  • David West

    &^%$ him and the horse he rode in on!! This liar is a danger to our lives , our freedom and our future! Wake up, people! This is LAST CALL!

  • DurdyDawg

    What I can’t understand is his followers continually ignore his flip-flops and blatant lies.. There’s no honor in winning any way you can and Romney’s totally honorless which says volumes about the backers and followers who tolerates it with gusto.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X2KKGDYW2F5T5XUT6233KBNWSI robert

    FLOP. That’s Romney flipping again. He can’t help himself. That’s why President obama let him go on. He knew Romney was putting his foot in his mouth. Give it two days and he’ll flip on something else he’s said. It’s a pattern with Romney/Ryan.

  • oldtack

    JuneBug2

    Bill Clinton’s Military non-life is a murky though interesting story beclouded by the fact that many of the main characters have long since died and the remainder, including Bill Clinton have “vague” memories.

    He did register for the draft as required by law on his eighteenth birthday and subsequently rated as 1-A. Then the “drama” begins. He was a College Student and sought deferment.

    With help from his Uncle Raymond Clinton and family friend,Henry Britt, Hot Springs lawyer and former Judge, Bill managed to evade the draft and after graduation he was selected as a Rhodes Scholar and went to England. That is where I remember the picture of him with long hair and beard protesting the War.

    In his words, He was not oppose d to the Military or War in General but he was morally opposed to the War in Vietnam.

    His and George Bush’s stories were re-enacted in many well-to-do families with political influence.

    If we had the same draft today one would witness this parody played out many times by those in power.

    It is the wealthy and politically influential power base that foments war. But, it is the poor masses that bleed and die in those wars. Just a nasty fact of life.

    • ExPAVIC

      What?

      ALL college students got draft deferments. Of course rich kids stayed in college while some of us got our boots in the Vietnam mud.

      Screw the rich kids, like RoMoney. I went and they didn’t so I say F*** them all, and I became a proud Democrat.

      • Edsanjuan

        ExSMART: Your statement that “Screw the rich kids, like RoMoney. I went and they didn’t so I say F*** them all, and I became a proud Democrat.” SHOWS how ignorant you are, ….. but it’s funny …

  • 1silverstar7

    typical mr fip flop & his partner mr Bean counter, so tired of the lies from the G O P & please Mr president grow some balls & take him on

  • 1silverstar7

    typical mr fip flop & mr Bean counter, Please mr president grow some balls & take him on

  • http://www.facebook.com/dianrib Diane Ribbentrop

    Romney always flips NO core NO guts Does NOT stand for any thing except
    ‘ Corps are People Money is speech 47 % of us are lazy victims
    Who work and pay loads of taxes except Income tax due to lower income or having few kids to support. Privileged Mitt for Pres ? NOPE

  • http://www.facebook.com/dianrib Diane Ribbentrop

    Mitt kicked crazy T party followers to the curb We knew that was coming
    Etch a sketch time again Mitt has NO spine No core beliefs
    None that he will stand behind ..for more than few weeks…

  • http://www.facebook.com/dianrib Diane Ribbentrop

    Obama will Just had a bad night 2 debates to go Obama has a job
    Mitt is UNemployed Lots of time to fabricate

    • ExPAVIC

      Good Idea

      Let’s keep Mittens unemployed. Time to start talking to your friends and telling them what a bad choice that guy is for individuals, women, and the country.

      This is going to be a team EFFORT to get people out to vote for Obama. You can be sure the American Taliban Republicans are going to be carrying people to the polls on their backs.

      • Edsanjuan

        ExSMART: ” You can be sure the American Taliban Republicans are going to be carrying people to the polls on their backs.”
        CORRECT !! … But the same will be done by the American Occupy Wall Street Socialist IDIOTS Democrats !!
        Romney/Ryan will win by a LANDSLIDE, though ….

        • lindablue

          The the dumb ass third party voter is wasting their vote. But hey that works for us.

  • Bill Borchardt

    Soooo, make a big deal out of this and avoid the BIG issues of the campaign (and our future), mounting debt, out of control government spending, and increasing private sector jobs. Anything else is smoke.

    • DurdyDawg

      But that isn’t the issue.. If every question that popped up would always turn to what you’re concerned about then the people wouldn’t be as informed except in areas that we shouldn’t bring up but what the candidates need to address. If one of you’re questions did come up I’m sure we would all have an opinion to relate but until then we must reply to what we receive and in my books, none of it is ‘smoke’.. Do you have an answer to those profound questions? Only the runners have and it seems to me that neither one wants to come out with them because the questions are even bigger than this Country. Eventually they will address them else the majority of votes might just result in, “None of the above”..

    • roguerunners

      Home foreclosures at it’s LOWEST since October 2007! Chew on that!

    • lindablue

      Mounting debt caused by Republican credit card spending on 2 unpaid for wars, an unpaid for Senior Drug Plan, 3 unpaid for tax breaks, the creation of a new government department that was unpaid for, mounting debt created by the interest on the Republicans spending spree on a credit card for 8 years. Yes a the Republican Party that wants to now get the deficit in order on the backs of seniors, disabled, and poor. Morally corrupt.

      • Edsanjuan

        lindablue: “Mounting debt caused by Republicans”??
        And NOT by Obozo??!!
        Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

        linda, stop frying your brains with those hallucinogenics ….

        • lindablue

          Over the past two decades, American companies have dramatically expanded their overseas operations and supply networks, especially in Asia, while shrinking their workforces at home. McKinsey Global Institute estimated in 2006 that $18.4 billion in global information technology work and $11.4 billion in business-process services have been moved abroad. This is Mittens Record on helping America. Wake up and get your head out of the Rich Guy’s Ass.

          • Edsanjuan

            linda: As always happens with you idiotic liberals, you never stick to the subject at hand and you prefer to skirt it:
            1) Your new statements, suppossedly in response to mine, have NOTHING to do with the subject. My comments were to the effect that “Mounting debt caused by Republicans”?? And NOT by Obozo??!!” You, my dear lady, did not address this.

            2) About what you correctly mention to the effect that business-process services have been (gradually) moving abroad, let me say this:
            a) You (intentionally) make it sound as if Romney alone was responsible for this. (Wow! This Romney guy is more powerful than I thought !)
            b) There are so many other factors and parameters causing these effects. One of them being the confiscatory corporate tax rates that American corporations have to pay in the U.S. (the highest in the world). Obama has tried to address this condition but, as always, being the “wishy-washy” “leader” that he is, he has only paid lip service to it.

            So, lindablue, YOU wake up and get your head out of Obama’s ASS ….

          • lindablue

            Commie Republican moron.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            linda: ANSWER my comments, you MORON !!!

          • lindablue

            Commie Republican Moron.

        • lindablue

          My friend the only one on hallucinogens are you. Get you head out of Brietbart’s commentary pages and Faux news, and Limbaugh’s hate radio and think for your self.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JCDYOUQPDL6RBF2WIQY7IHJ4BM batavier

    Cheer up!
    There are only 365-days in a year. So, if the American people in their ‘infinite’ wisdom elect Romney, they’ll have 4 X 365 = 12260 diggerent Romney-positions on ABORTION alone….
    ardly enough time to GOVERN, eh!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Okay-Chemical/100001689879573 Okay Chemical

    Of course, his campaign says one thing and he says another…..When are they gonna have the same campaign agenda? May be after Nov.6. Whatever that gets them into the White House regardless of what the voters thing about their Honesty…….it really doesn’t matter to most voters…….f### honesty and give us your VOTE!!!!!!!

  • oldtack

    David West,
    I re-read my post and I can find nothing on my subject that has anything to do with your diatribe.

    I was speaking of the numbers of draft dodgers that hide in the Halls of Congress – not the State of our Country and our Government.

    I have expressed some of your obvious concerns on the forum also.We are in one hell of a mess in this Country but it is not recent and not the fault of one particular party. It is a cancer that has grown over many decades and is coming to fruition at this time.

    Your last sentence give room for concern “…a long time after I’m gone which is a very short time from now.” Hope that is a metaphor and not indicative of your health.

    Sorry if my comments disturbed you.

    Take Care and have a good evening.

    oldtack

  • Bob Williams

    When they asked Obama about the Abortion Bill, he said “Don’t worry – I’ll pay it!”

  • ExPAVIC

    Mr. Etch-A-Sketch

    Shake that baby up and re-write your stand on virtually everything. What a phoney SOB is that RoMoney.

    Now he wants to tells us how a pacifist Mormon will handle our national defense. Some one who chose to sit out the Vietnam War in Le Harve, France, wants to tells us how to defend our country. The jerk doesn’t even recognize his own limits.

    • Edsanjuan

      ExSMART: Yeah!
      1) Compare Romney’s participation (none) in the Vietnam War with Obama’s heroism (not the drug, you dummy!) in BOTH Vietnam and the Persian Gulf. What a difference !!
      2) And compare Mrs. Romney’s patriotism with Michelle Obama’s REAL patriotism: “For the very first time in my life I feel pride in my Country.” THAT’S real patriotism!
      3) And compare how a “pacifist Mormon” would handle our national defense with the skillful and adept way in which Obama has handled our Ambassador to Libya’s assassination as a direct (and obvious) reaction to a movie.
      Oh, brother ….

  • dalnb

    “We sleep, but the loom of life never stops, and the pattern which was weaving when the sun went down is weaving when it comes up in the morning.”~ Henry Ward Beecher

    Romney’s problem is when he awakes the next morning he changes the pattern!

    It is impossible to stay on course when you change with your audience. Romney can not keep up with himself!

  • ridemybroom

    the only man i know( romney ) who can quick change without having a curtain to hide in…..if he flips on abortion rights does that mean he will flip on gay rights as well…anyone notice how his alzheimers keeps getting in the way….this man really needs to have a check up just to see if hes getting ready to check out…btw…i wonder if anne romney is ok…she doesnt look good, i mean this with all sincerity….something just doesnt look right with her…look at her really good the next time you see her…you will see what i mean….i hope she is ok !

  • dalnb

    President Bill Clinton set a high standard for Presidents to follow. During his administration America enjoyed the Highest Quality-of-life it has in a hundred years.
    Romney claims raising taxes will hurt our economy ; he needs to look back on the Clinton era when taxes were raised.

    America had plenty of jobs, more jobs than we had available workers. Workers could bargain with different employers picking the jobs they wanted. We were happy, we were spending, we were buying and we were getting America out of debt. ( Bush senior left America in debt over-spending our national GDP by over 9%. ) Clinton took office, got us all but out of debt under-spending the GDP and left a huge financial surplus (All Democratic Presidents since World War II have kept spending under the GDP until the current financial mess left by G W Bush. G W Over-spent the GDP by 20.7% ). Romney says we can not raise taxes on the rich and expect any job improvements. – Clinton did it,

    Romney needs to look at history and get his facts straight – – we may be in the 47% group but were not as stupid as he may think!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

    The trust of the innocent (or stupid) is the liar’s most useful tool.

  • joyscarbo

    I’m reading this thread and I’m not seeing ANYTHING about the right to ensuring that every woman has the right to her own reproductive destiny!!! A lot of people (mostly men, I think) are talking about draft dodging and political posturing.
    No matter where you fall on the abortion issue, the facts are well-documented and crystal clear. Making abortion illegal does not save lives. It takes more lives. Women who do not have access to legal, medically safe abortion will still seek out these services. The difference is that back alley abortions kill BOTH the fetus and the woman. Women suffer life-threatening conditions- infections, disfigurement of their sexual organs and even sterility.
    This is an issue that women should ONLY be making decisions about. Predominantly male lawmakers are legislating that women must undergo invasive, medically uneccessary procedures before exercising their legal right to abortion. Mitt Romney will END funding for Planned Parenthood an organization that provides care for both men and women that are in need of birth control, testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases, cancer screenings for testicular and penile cancers as well cervical and breast caner.
    There is MUCH at stake here. People need to quit being silent about it and support the right to have control of each person’s right to their reproductive decisions.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    the anti-christ romney seems like he just want to play both side for every one to see . i guess he,s hopeing for the hates in the country to vote for him he think thats theres enough ppl. that hate the black man and he can steal and hate his way to the house . whats wrong with the ppl. of this country ? if the Pres. Obama had messed up ands flip floped as much as the anti-christ has during this election he,d be gone . here the anti- christ putsa down 47% of the p[pl. and the country and itys a close race still unbelivable . he lies through his teeth all the time and when he,s not lieing him and lil eddie monster look-a-like idiot dont and wont tell anyone the plans thy have . its like wait till you vote me in the house . well ppl. of this country if you go and be that stupid . when the anti-christ gets in the house then the pair that swings in a bull,s sack will drop the hammer on the country and the ppl,s head . and by then its too late . then its right back to the dirty bush days more wars no jobs and the stock market down to 5000 . and then you.ll say OMG how did this happen ? the funny thing is the anti-christ is showing you that will happen your just to blind to see . and then you be begging for something to save the country but it will be to laate by then . and saying MR OBAMA please come back and save the copuntry and the ppl. again . and if i was him id drop my pants and tell you to kiss my blacvk and white butt idiots

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    Desperate personal attacks do not solve our nation’s problems, yet it appears my opponents are choosing to once again engage in the same gutter politics that CBS News called the dirtiest in the nation just two years ago,” DesJarlais said./// ur the dirtiest in the nation your self you cant keep it in ur pants ur just nasty you should be dumped be every one and put where you belong in a tolit bowl you POS

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KWVFASTNOYNKVRCWCY5APR3GI4 Joyce

    The contradictions , inconsistencies are an everyday event for Robme. Its amnesia setting in or this man is a pathological liar This man needs therapy before he gets to a rubber room

  • CaptainWes

    “ “There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,’ Romney said.” Read this carefully. HIS agenda means what he plans to start once he is president, if that disaster should happen. Those words do NOT say he will OPPOSE any effort by Congress to pass such legislation.

    Typical Repugnant doublespeak, if you ask me.

    AN INDEPENDENT VOTER FOR OBAMA / BIDEN 2012.

  • roguerunners

    Home foreclosures at it’s lowest since October 2007!!! OCTOBER 2007!!!
    This Independent voter is going with Obama!!!
    Romney is a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

  • supercarp

    It is very easy to be anti-abortion until you (if you’re female) or your former girlfriend (if you’re not) is pregnant and needs one. I still assert that if men could get pregnant there would be an abortion clinic in every hardware store.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y4RZ2U6A7BHLQIS2F5AEYDYI64 raymond

    What ever it takes to get elected! Mitt Romanie will do. How can you trust another Dick Channey? Read between the lines people he is for the wealthy and big corporations they are even telling there workers they will close there busness if Obama gets elected? Workers will have low wages and no worker rights if Romanie gets in.

  • Canistercook

    With the right to vote, afforded to all, I do wish more of these comments were addressing the issues facing the country instead of throwing nasty and often stupid and unfounded accusations around. Jobs, the deficit, foreign policies et al.

    • Sand_Cat

      First of all, the right to vote is not “afforded to all.”
      How far up your posterior has your head been the last year or so while voter-suppression laws were pressed in most states, and actually passed in several key “swing states”?

      Second, the accusation against Romney of constant lying are “unfounded”? Again, your head must have been almost to your appendix, if not halfway up your small intestine.

      Third, the Romney campaign and its Republican supporters are mostly the ones who have brought up these nasty issues and thrown at least half of the accusations (most of them, admittedly, not just unfounded, but demonstrably absurd).

      Fourth, perhaps Romney, despite his claims to be concerned about “jobs, the deficit, foreign policies, et al,” prefers to divert the debate because he realizes that it is becoming increasingly evident that he is incredibly misinformed and inept in the matter of foreign policy, and that – despite his “credentials” as a successful parasite on businesses someone else started and built – people are starting to realize that his proposed policies are likely to swell both the ranks of the unemployed and the deficit to unimaginable levels.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        Sand: CONFIRMED!!: you want voters to vote twice, thrice or 4 or 5 times each ….
        Bravo !!

        • lindablue

          Where is your proof of voter fraud?

    • lindablue

      With the right to vote afforded to all. What reality are you living in. 16 states have enacted voter suppression laws. AlterNet reality much?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWPCDWWOQJAS5UTZVN5CE3MZLU PamelaT

    Lie after lie after lie never ends with this guy

  • bwmconst

    Romney is a good case for birth control…As are many who don’t understand that the poor souls being born here, many times don’t know what they are getting into…The main “silent” reason is to bring in as many as you can, is so we can milk ‘em till they’re 65, and ‘ya got to have some you can send to war, so your own ass doesn’t get shot off… If only the “policy” makers had to do their own “dirty work”…, a trip to earth would more palatable…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CXAL5B72JQ7KRNOK5YT7WRSF4M norman

    The Republican Party is NOT the only group doing this.

    Springfield (Illinois) Housing Authority has been doing the same, for about a year, now.

    Example: Normally, a persons rent is considered PAID, when the person delivers the rent payment to the management office. Not so, Springfield Housing Authority.

    In a new twist, on the English language, Springfield Housing Authority now says that DELIVERY of rent, to management does NOT mean rent is paid.

    To Springfield Housing Authority, rent is only considered PAID, I-F management CHOOSES to post rent to Accounts Receivable.

    If management chooses not to POST a payment, then rent is considered NOT paid (even if payment made via Money Order).

    This is the way bureaucrats are.

  • Sand_Cat

    I wish you would stop catering to these fanatics by calling them “pro-life.”
    The Republican agenda, from foreign policy to labor relations to reproductive rights and family planning, is one of the most anti-life agendas in a world full of human self-detructive actions.
    They wish to starve and miseducate those “precious pre-born” babies as soon as they leave the womb.
    They jump at any excuse to attack anyone in the world with bombs, terrorism (“freedom fighters”), and anything else lethal that comes to hand.
    They would assure that all people, and especially the old, would be subject to de facto “death panels” in the name of insurance company profits.
    They would destroy all ecosystems on the planet for profit, or at least those that survive and adapt to the accelerated global warming their energy and transportation agendas assure.

    It seems to me that the Republican ethos summarized is that if a problem cannot be solved by tax cuts for billionaires, blowing up or imprisoning people, allowing any nut his own personal arsenal and allowing him to carry it everywhere, or ramming fundamentalist religion down someone’s throat, that problem does not exist.

    • lindablue

      Great points it just to show how Republican Romney is. Pro life until the baby leave the womb then it gets it prison number.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

        linda: ANOTHER STUPID, obtuse (look it up, linda !) comment !
        Keep degrading yourself and showing off your stupidity, linda !!

        • lindablue

          Oh my comments bother you? Good!!!!

  • AliceR51

    “What were Republicans thinking”an email-showig just one video of Romney-Romney-on how he “contraditited”himself-many times!Just him alone in his own video-can u imagine-the topic he was talking about -anyone of them/he was stating to vote for this one/then ,same topic-he staing I wont vote for this at all-what the @%# gives?He dont make sense .U have to watch sooo &%$# funny-its stupid.Hes just standing there telling many of his plans on his topics ,yet he changed his
    mind so many times on each one,so “which”is the right Romney?Who the –knows??Beats the —out of me.??couldnt tell ya.You have to watch the video-look it up.Man soo—-stupid,makes u —-lollololol.I could NOT believe my ears ,eyes.Just to see him alone in HIS own video making these remarks against himself..???They are real-on video-himself-changing his tune several times to something differnt-like YOU cant make up ur mind on what ur going to do being a presi??He said he wouldnt have to follow his church choice -being elected presi-.???He already passed in a state-abortion-then he said he was totally against it???/Okkk.Id say he has deep issues.Hes even been into a store yelling fire,when NO fire was there??He also had a toy machine gun-going off inside store.duh.This is when he was younger-being a “bully” they called him,a jerk.Playing a part of cop,with uniform,car from one state,outfit from another,??WOW!!

  • AliceR51

    OHHH,this video-was with him on one side then otherside was another him-first one topic,then other side hed change & his comment.Why he does this ???????Does he remember what hes sayingor what???He said something of immagrants-& again of them,I think he had hired some,even though he had said NO of it beforehand.???Some didnt make much sense.He contradicted his churc also??

  • ExPAVIC

    FACT

    If you are a woman (female human being) and you vote for RoMoney, you are in dire need of a head check, or a change in climate, or both.

    Ask yourself, why does Mitt hate women? Too bad Mitt won’t talk about it so it must go rather deep in his Mormon inner sanctum.

    • Edsanjuan

      ExSMART: Mitt “hates” women?
      Comments like that show what’s inside your brain, …… NOTHING !!
      LOL !!

      • ExPAVIC

        Let’s Compare

        Retired and living comfortably in Florida at age 52. How about you? Ready to freeze your ass off this winter?

        Nothing? Want to compare balance sheets asshole?

        • Edsanjuan

          ExSMART: I repeat my previous comment that was NOT addressed by you:

          Mitt “hates” women? Comments like that show what’s inside your brain, …… NOTHING !!”

          You have not addressed the fact that saying Mitt “hates” women is the perfect, unassailable proof that YOU, ExSMART, are the perfect MORON asshole.

          Your wanting to “compare balance sheets” with me just CONFIRMS what an idiot asshole you are: my finances can “run rings” around yours, ExSMART, but then, WHO CARES? Who really cares??!!

          It is only morons like you who really believe that being “rich” has everything to do with having money.

          FYI, you ignorant fool, there are four (4) states/conditions:
          1) Being RICH, which is ALWAYS GOOD, has NOTHING to do with money, and is really a MINDSET;
          2) Having plenty of money, which can be good or bad, depending on how you got it and what you do with that money;
          3) Having a lack of money, being BROKE, which, by itself is NOT bad because it is (or should be) a TEMPORARY condition;
          4) Being POOR, which is ALWAYS BAD, has NOTHING to do with money, and is really a MINDSET (a permanent one! POOR people will always be poor!)

          You, sir, and so many other class hatred advocates that “contribute” to this cesspool of losers called The National Memo, have shown that you belong to the last category ….

          Oh, brother! Why do I even bother to correct morons like you ??!!

          • ExPAVIC

            Pedro

            Tell me about your trip back home after RoMoney and his friends put you all on a banana boat back to Central America. Via con Mittens express.

          • Edsanjuan

            ExSMART: Is THAT the best you can come up with?
            CONFIRMED that you are just a stupid asshole !!

          • ExPAVIC

            Your Trip

            Don’t forget your sombrero Pedro, the sun is brutal down there. Ole’.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            ExSMART and STILLStupid: That was not even funny. You stupid Liberal retards are such useful idiots (and that’s how Obozo wants you!) that you can’t even come up with something that:
            a) addresses the issue at hand;
            b) constitutes a reasonable “counterpoint” to what is being discussed.
            The only retort that your so small brain could come up with was “Don’t forget your sombrero Pedro, the sun is brutal down there. Ole’.” WOW, ExSMART, that was deep!!
            I am not Mexican (full-blooded American), but if I were:
            a) I would be proud of my heritage and would despise ignoramuses and BIGOTS like you;
            b) I would still be “running rings” around you, my moron “pen pal”, like I am doing right now.
            What a pathetic, ignorant slob you are, Ex. Get a life, you moron ….
            …. and, of course, you and your fellow rats, …. vote for Obozo !!

          • ExPAVIC

            Rings?

            No wonder RoMoney is still around, morons like you go for his bullshit.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            EX: YES! RINGS!!
            MORONS like you SWALLOW Obozo’s BULLSHIT !!
            Get a life, … and vote for whom the contents of your brain dictate: … er, er, … “contents of my brain?” NOBODY then !!

          • ExPAVIC

            Eddy. Eddy. Eddy

            RoMoney blows smoke up your ass and you buy it. Fortunately most intelligent people (that leaves you out) recognize that this multimillionaire doesn’t give a rats ass about you. Y0u didn’t understand his 47% breakdown of the electorate? Man you are retarded and stupid.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TWQYRVP4GUAQKKQX3WZDC2MBEY James

    this Romney is amazing to tell one lie after another .and I don’t understand how people can just accept these lie well let us look and see what bible which is the word of GOD said. James Chapter 1 .a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Two-faced and Unreliable

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Onofre-J-Escobar-Rivera/100000299746833 Onofre J. Escobar Rivera

    I guess this new position will even give Romney a bigger bounce in the polls just like last debate when all he said was lie after lie and he bounced big in the polls. Is that how naive and innocent the American Voters have become. We have to call Romney out, we cannot let him lie and lie without consequences. Watch out America, Romney is a pathological flip-floper, he can look you straight in the eye and lie big. I suggest in the next debate before voting on who won the debate, voters verify the candidates’ answers and information they give. Good luck.

    • lindablue

      How gullible the voters are.

      • Edsanjuan

        lindablue: “How gullible the voters are”??
        Yep !
        They showed it in 2008 ….

        • lindablue

          They showed in 2010 and are paying the price for letting the Koch brothers buy their votes.

          • Edsanjuan

            lindablue: You see why we Conservatives consider you Liberals so empty brained?
            It’s because you have a “sloganized” and shallow answer to every issue!
            You would have the readers of this “forum” believe that the Koch brothers really, really BOUGHT all those votes (an avalanche really!) cast in 2010 against the Democrats??!!
            Wow !! I wasn’t contacted about selling my vote to them !
            Oh brother ….

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

            linda: 10/14/2012, 6:20pm EST, STILL no answer from you!
            Got tired of your stupidities?

    • Edsanjuan

      OJ Escobar: “he can look you straight in the eye and lie big”, you say??
      Man, you are describing Obama/Biden to a “T” !!!
      You ARE perceptive ! (Then again, that is soooo obvious !!)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

    In the current issue of Rolling Stone magazine, it is shown that as a candidate for the governor’s office of Massachusetts, he told someone interested in working with him that he supported a woman’s right to choose,including the right to choose abortion. While this seems a little long ago for Romney’s flip-flop timetable, it is revealing that he felt, at the time, that it was acceptable to take more liberal stances when working in a more liberal environment, a mind set that helps us more clearly understand his willingness to so readily change tack when heading into adverse winds. Either way you spin it, he apparently believes, deeply, that it is acceptable lie.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican! Dante’s “Inferno” has a VERY special place for hypocrites.

  • Edsanjuan

    What??!! Obozo and the Democraps claiming that Romney is a hypocrite? !!
    That’s a good one !
    P.S. – Joe “The Clown” Biden will get his sorry ass kicked around the whole stage tonight … LOL !!

    • ExPAVIC

      Ass Kicked?

      Horse shit pedro.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ICXQK5FLMWQORX6PARJ6PY27MY billy

    Mr. Romney, Sir, I have no doubt that you are at heart a great husband, great dad, good governor and a religious man, but there comes a time when great men face up to reality that sometimes they cant handle whats ahead of them. There is no shame in admitting that its to much and out of your league. Some of us back-up and get more experience, some of us go back to school and some of us just change directions. Sit down with your family and close friends and ask them to be truthful with you on whether you are ready to lead as President of the U.S.A.. All the things that are happening in the world today must be handled very carefully and I just think that you lack that experience at this time. Observe and learn a couple more years and you might find yourself more equipped. Think about it anyway.

  • oldtack

    Agree on that point.

    Under the old SSS rules – draft dodging was legal. If the draft was revised Draft Dodging would probably still be legal.

    Toward the end of the Vietnam War I made the statement that if my son became draft age I would spirit him out of the Country because at that stage of that Political debacle I, like Clinton , felt that it had become morally wrong. I wouldn’t have carried through my threat due to money and means but that is the way I felt.

    Doesn’t make Draft Dodging deferments and more right – but – they will always be legal.
    And -That’s life in the War zone.

  • Canistercook

    Reading some of these comments leaves me worrying about the future of our country. Why do we need to call individuals liars, cheats, stupid etc, when we disagree with their opinions? Why don’t we just correct the ‘facts’ if in fact we know they are wrong. Trouble is many of the ‘facts’ are not really available to us so we don’t have the right to call anyone a liar unless we can prove it.

  • ExPAVIC

    Question

    Who hates women the most, RoMoney or Ryan? Was it their mothers, early girl friends, or current wives that did the trick?

  • ps2os2

    I also have trouble with Bain as they never bet with their own money. If it had all been their own money I do not think I would have as strong objections as I do have with them. Even if only 25 percent it would have been somewhat realistic.
    Given a blank check like they had of course you can gamble its not quite as bad as a casino as they did have odds stacked with them.

  • ps2os2

    Lindablue:

    Sorry to hear about your parents. I am to on a fixed income (Social Security) and get no earned income deduction (I have my taxes done by pros). The point is that not everyone qualifies for certain deductions which may or may not be good. For a while there you could have several houses (all with mortgages) and deduct the interest. Now they have stopped that loop hole and (I think) its down to one house (primary residence) which is reasonable (IMO). The rich have hired the tax geniuses to find other such loop hole *OR* have gotten special legislation passed so they basically can hide their earnings (ala Mitt R and others). Neith you nor me can have the luxury to hire tax specialist to find the holes.

    • lindablue

      When did they stop the loop hole of not being able to deduct more than one home? I have seen recently politicians taking about removing that loop hole but it’s just talk. No actions have been taken to my knowledge. How is it that you get no earned income credit? Your disabled and low income and get no earned income credit? Even if we did hire a tax expert we would get flagged and have to hire a tax attorney to fight our case, in which case is it worth it?

  • ps2os2

    One of the issue with thinking like this is that the “low interest (tax free) bonds” is that while most are reasonably safe (there are exceptions look at Georgia) is that the pay off is at the minimum 25 years off in the future so you need to forget about the money and throw away the key. It is a good place to park excess funds which you will not need for a while, but who amongst us can afford to have several 100K squirreled away for long periods?

  • ps2os2

    Ahhh but there is a catch in what you are saying. In theory what you say is true but that *ASSUMES* a level playing field. Bain (Mitt) took reasonably successful companies and gutted them leaving them with piles of debt. One semi survived (One of the office supply companies). The rest were run into bankruptcy because of the DEBT that Mitt (Bain) saddled them with. Now some of the companies were questionable (granted) but they were making a go of it until Mitt got his fingers in them. Probably 90 percent ended up selling themselves to other companies and or end up in bankruptcy. When Bain didn’t do well crippling them with debt and some how managed to get by they were saddled with “management fees” to Bain. Bain just screwed every company they put their “mitts” on (pun intended). Now if that is called making a profit you are a fool. The only work that was done (no sweat equity) was for the lawyers and Bain. That is not the american way of doing business (ie invest work hard and hopefully succeed) I am not suggesting that Mitt is anti American I am suggesting that (again) he used every back door that could be used instead of hard work and doing an honest days work. The only time might have done hard work is when he tried to convert the French people to Mormonism.

  • ps2os2

    I would guess that there are many reasons why there are people leaving SoCal and there is probably a couple real one reason for it. I suspect the top 5 is real estate cost, the crazy idea that citizens can mandate laws by a vote. Another top one I suspect is the weed is part of it (availability and use) and traffic .

    • lindablue

      I doubt weed has anything to do with why people leave Cal. I do suspect if California legalizes it many people will seek out California as a place to retire if they have health problems. Could be California’s new boom not to mention their way out of the debt Arnie put them in.

      • ps2os2

        Bzzzt wrong. More than a few people are leaving California just on that reason alone. They are afraid to drive as they know the stoners are out on the roads. I had two people tell me that do not want their kids crossing streets with all the stoned drivers. With all the stoners getting high the state will end up supporting these people and in order to support their habit they will start B&E’ing and crime will go through the roof.

        • lindablue

          Give me a friggin break. You always know who the stoners are they drive 10 miles under the speed limit like granny does. It’s the drunks you need to worry about and last I heard drinking is still legal and Jack Daniels is still making whiskey.

  • Canistercook

    Rachel is so far to the left anything she produced would be very questionable. Some people would believe the sky is yellow if Obama said it. Trouble is a lot of people, i.e. Blacks, Hispanics, Union members all want something Obama is promising them for free – Welfare, a green card, high pensions for years on end etc. “Who cares if the country goes down the tube giving it all to them” After all why shouldn’t the rich taxpayers subsidize Big Bird even if by selling Sesame toys et al Sesame Street makes millions. We don’t really need the ‘rich’ to invest their money in rebuilding our industries and creating jobs I guess! Obama does a good ‘sales’ job. Too bad he’s not selling used cars to dummies.

    • lindablue

      First the ones who wants green cards for illegals/legal immigrants is the businesses. I have yet to see the Republican House pass one Bill to stop illegal migration to this country and you won’t see them do it either because their pay masters don’t want them too. Yeah blame the unions for wanting to save our countries manufacturing base, which by the way is in our national interest. Why shouldn’t the rich subsidize Big Bird? You do understand that early childhood learning is again in the best interest of the country don’t you. As for Welfare. I have a solution. Pass a law that no married adults can divorce until their children are out of college. I’m sure “The Family Center” can get Republicans to do that. No the rich does not invest their money in rebuilding industries and creating jobs, the tax payers do with Corporate Welfare and our tax laws allow industry to spit in our face by giving them tax breaks to move those jobs to China where Romney makes out like a Billionaire. The only snake oil salesman in the Presidential race is Romney and your buying his shit hook, line and sinker.

      • Canistercook

        Unfortunately it looks like as far as you are concerned brain washing has done its job on you. By the way BIG BIRD and those that own it ARE RICH and are subsidized as well.

        • ps2os2

          There are multiple issues here and of course Romeny aimed at the wrong target.
          The big bird is paid for through corporate sponsorship not much (if any money goes to support him). Jim Lehr(sp?) as well is paid for through corporate sponsorship not a red penny goes for his upkeep. A *LOT* of other big shows on PBS get paid for in their entirety by corporate sponsor ship the rest is paid through US subsidy. NPR is paid for by corporate sponsor ship (I do not think a penny comes from the us government). So quit acting like we the tax paying public (nor China) is paying for it. Get you facts straight.

        • lindablue

          Yes you are brainwashed and against your own best interest.

        • lindablue

          Yes liberal rich people fund PBS you know their type the ones that don’t mind having their taxes raised to support their country. Like the Gates.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you didn’t check how much Romney gave to charity!

          • lindablue

            Well why don’t you share with me. How much did Romney give to PBS?

          • lindablue

            You said that the Romney’s give to PBS. How much? Where is your proof?

          • Canistercook

            I don’t know and nor do you!

          • lindablue

            You said that you knew. You no why we don’t know? Because Romney has not released his full tax record to the American voter’s.

          • Canistercook

            For good reason. There are a heap of jealous people out there I guess like you.

          • lindablue

            You brought up jealousy I guess because you hate someone getting something your not getting. I don’t mind someone having things I don’t have because every job is different. Some jobs are very dangerous and in turn the employer offers them a perk say like the United State Military does for their soldiers. Doesn’t bother me that soldiers get feel health care. Why does it bother you?

          • Canistercook

            Agree all military personnel should get free healthcare, all who have served 20 years or more should get healthcare, all injured vets should get free health care and everyone should get affordable healthcare. Trouble is without big changes and corrections Obamacare is not an affordable option. Even systems like in Canada and U.K. that are far superior and not tied to employment are difficult to afford. The insurance and drug comanies love Obamacare. Obamacare is an unaffordable disaster that our young entering the workforce will be unable to sustain.
            As a senior citizen that’s what bothers me.

          • lindablue

            Agree Obama care is not the health care we the people wanted. Guess why? Who whined, moaned, screamed, and yelled the whole time health care was being worked out? If you say Republicans your right. We got just what the Republicans wanted us to get a health profit for the health care industry. If your unhappy with Obama care vote out the people who created yet another mess for the people. You do understand that the government could not afford health care the it was, and we the people were going bankrupted to pay our portion of the health care bill, and companies could not afford health care. So what side were you on when health care was being discussed. The side whining about Obama trying to make it a system we could all afford or the side trying to give a public option that would of made it affordable for all? Tell it too Mitt, The Heritage Foundation, and the Republican Party that paved the way for the health care we now have.

          • Canistercook

            Interesting twist. Now you want to blame the Republicans for ‘Obamacare”. I’m on the side of complete overhaul of the system in a sensible manner. Allowing everyone to deduct their premium and full health care costs from their taxable income. Doing away with Bush’s drug program and replacing it with a program that does not enrich the drug companies. Also a program that encourages doctors to limit drugs to the essential and not overdose people. Canada has a pretty good system!

          • lindablue

            Oh and your not bright enough to blame the Republicans for Obamacare. So you think that we don’t have many working people that pay into their employer provided health care and are too poor to go to the doctor? You really do live quite the pampered life on Medicare don’t you? Can’t see the forest through the trees can you? A typical Republican only look at life through your own rose colored glasses and not reality.

          • Canistercook

            At least I feel I will have rose colored glasses if Romney wins the election. Sounds like you are badly in need of glasses.

          • lindablue

            Yeah he will be another George H. Bush “read my lips no new taxes” if you believe that one I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. We all will have a tax increase sooner than later thanks to the last Republican Presidents and Republican House and Senate’s spending on a credit card it always come down to revenue don’t you know? We the middle class will have to contribute to fixing the deficit just like we did under President Clinton even Ben Stein said that on Fox News yesterday. The truth can be painful but its necessary.

          • lindablue

            Try that Romney feels he is above doing what every other Presidential candidate has done to assure the American voter they are on the up and up. I feel no jealousy for a man who thinks he is entitled to office of the Presidency due to his privilege and shows it in everything he does. I do however feel for you the low information voter that will vote for him even though he has no plan to create jobs, no plan for foreign policy except to allow China to buy up America, and for him to profit more off from China taking over our manufacturing industry. I guess what’s good the Romney is good enough for you.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you will dream on with your loser and failure of a President. Unfortunately so many like you have never been to the any place but North America and do not understand
            the need to deal with international trade and American exports and how important they are to our standard of living. I am not thrilled with either man but Romney has far more experience and expertise than Obama. Obama is not just a big failure he is a disaster!

          • lindablue

            The only loser will be Romney. He can’t buy his way into the White House like the last rich guy did. American’s have woken up. We don’t want an unstable rich guy that thinks more about his bottom line than getting American’s back to work. He is such a loser that even your own didn’t want him but alas as usual Republicans will vote for anyone with an R behind his name.

          • Canistercook

            Time will tell. Fortunately the Independents like me now have some power. He’s a pretty Rich loser which sounds like the reason you don’t like him – jealousy!
            Well when the R is so much better than the D we have no other choice.

          • lindablue

            Your not an independent you’re a Republican who thinks he’s an independent. Your views say differently. No Rand Paul follower is a independent.

          • Canistercook

            I vote for the most intelligent capable individuals not blindly following the ‘party line’.
            How many times have you voted for anything but a left wing Democrat?

          • lindablue

            Bullshit you listen to the likes of Rand Paul and Paul Ryan who by the way has their way paid by our tax dollar while he convinces you how bad it is for everyone else. You use the very socialist programs that you claim is bad for everyone else and you call me blind. Lol.

          • Canistercook

            I don’t USE them I was forced to contribute to them. I have never listened to Rand Paul and I’m able to make up my own mind. Paul Ryan does make a lot of sense though.
            Someone needs to step up and stop us becomming another Greece.

          • lindablue

            Yeah Paul Ryan makes a lot of sense to selfish idiots that take from the very programs they rail against. I’ve got mine f**K you type. You are not forced to use Medicare or Social Security that is a choice. You can always mail back the funds to the U.S, Treasury Department. Your making excuses for your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

          • Canistercook

            I would if they would give me back what I paid in with 5% interest on it.

          • lindablue

            Lol.

          • lindablue

            I used to vote Republican when I was younger and the party stood for something now I would never consider voting for this group of selfish morons.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you want them to stand for ‘redistributing the wealth even if you don’t earn it’
            ‘the right to sire children and not support them’ ‘tax the heck out of those that work hard and get ahead’ ‘support for overpaid over-pensioned government union employees to retire at 55 and making the rest of the workers work to 67 to support them’ Don’t think they will so they obviously Reublican candidate won’t get your support or vote!

          • lindablue

            The children I have bared I supported and continue to support even as adults because they never had the opportunities for well paid work with good benefits like we had even though they have gone through tech school and college. Hmmm seems it does matter where you live as to what your opportunities are, the time in history you were born and the connections your parents have made.

          • Canistercook

            You are right – it does make a difference. Having left school at 14 years of age and having left home that same year I was fortunate to find how many opportunities there were to get a job, albeit as someone whose job was to make coffee and tea for others and wash their cups etc. But night school was available to me and I took classes. Studied hard and found the world is full of opportunities if one is willing to work and learn. Sure would have been nice I guess to have had parents with connections but I guess even then ones life and future depends on ones own efforts and how they make use of those connections.
            There are a lot of children of the ‘rich’ that are big failures.

          • lindablue

            Wake up the world is not like it was when you were a kid. My children have always worked hard at work and at school.

          • Canistercook

            Then I assume that like my children they have good jobs even in this poor economy. One is an Engineer and one a nurse!

          • lindablue

            No actually my children are back in school going for their Masters Degree’s.

          • Canistercook

            Good luck to them. There were a lot of Degrees and Master Degree graduates out there protesting with OWS group because there are too many degrees and not enough producers. Hope their degrees will be in engineering or something useful. They will need it in this society were we are striving to become productive again.

          • lindablue

            Yes I hope their degrees will be useful too. We are definitely moving away from from manufacturing and into a pure service economy. The problem with that is that we are moving a lot of service jobs to India. I really don’t know where our economy will end up but I do know that allowing other countries to take our manufacturing base is a very poor choice for our country. Why would we give our National Security jobs to other countries to steal the advancements we have made is ridicules and dangerous. I’m beginning to think we would be better off without a congress since they are up for sale to the highest bidder. Not a good democratic system and a real National Security threat.

          • Canistercook

            We finally agree on something. The world has changed and we must change with it.
            They don’t ‘take’ our manufacturing jobs they compete for them. We must become competitive and stop babying irresponsible people. Healthy people need to contribute their fair share of effort; the obese need to slim down, the smokers need to stop smoking the drinkers need to stop drinking and the drug takers need to stop taking drugs. We are supporting a huge number of single mothers raising babies some absent father sired. Octomum is now on welfare with 14 children. China punishes absentee dads! A Parliamentary system is a better form of democracy like Canada but not perfect. Our system sucks! Romney I believe is more interested in his grand children’s future than himself, has more business experience and more education than a law degree graduate with two years of sitting in the Senate. Obama is a great speaker with a teleprompter but lacks experience and leadership. His only real achievement to date is passing Obamacare and the drug companies, Health insurers, Hospitals and Doctors that rip us off love it. Did you ever ask why a hospital bed is $1,500 a night and a Holiday Inn room $150? I can’t change the system but at least I can vote for the man with the most experience who knows how to compete in this changing world. We must compete or we will be just another Greece. Their empire collapsed!! We have two parties each putting out a lot of nonsense to brainwash us but as an Independent I look at what a person has really done in their past and their ability to lead and my god do we ever need leadership and direction right now! So many are stuck on ‘their party’. I voted for Clinton and will still vote in November for our Democratic Senator but would NEVER vote for Obama again. Four more years of Obama and we will all be in dire straits. We will owe the country to China!

          • ps2os2

            Good luck with that most of the people you are talking about are republicans who are still denying climate change, and you expect them to change???

          • Canistercook

            Most Republicans I know don’t deny climate changes it has changed before many times. They just agree that we really are not smart enough to know why and how much man is contributing to it and want to use common sense in dealing with it.

          • ps2os2

            Sure and that is where the problem is. We are not experiencing a short change in the weather but one that will last many thousands of years and thats even if we start now (which they won’t). We will be one of the species going extinct during the coming ice age.

          • lindablue

            They don’t compete for our jobs Romney hands our jobs to them to make a fortune for himself and his investors and to make the American work force cheap labor. Oh yes it’s fair competition when China builds the factory for Bain to ship Senasta’s jobs to China. That’s not competition that’s allowing a communist country to buy our jobs. You do understand the difference between competition and unfairly being able to buy off a Capital Investment Firm?

          • Canistercook

            Another brainwashed socialist dreamer!

          • lindablue

            I know reality is always called brainwashing socialist dreamers. Damn you’re a sick Republican brain dead moron. Even when it comes to you candidate selling your countries jobs to a communist country you seem perfectly content to allow him to so. But oh its so terrible for the U.S. to allow China to loan us money for our deficit. Ohhhhh my but it’s fine for Romney to sell out American jobs to communist China.

          • lindablue

            Mitt Romney’s jobs plan is a collection of bullet points masking the fact that he has literally no proposals to create jobs. President Barack Obama’s newly published jobs plan is a collection of bullet points that understates the detail in the jobs policies he has already proposed. The heart of the Obama plan is stated very succinctly, almost casually, but it’s a very big deal: “use half the savings from ending foreign wars to pay down the debt and the other half to invest in infrastructure at home.” Those savings are not chump change. They are currently estimated at $848 billion. We don’t have a choice between two jobs plan. We have a choice between a plan and no plan.

          • Canistercook

            Too bad he has had almost 4 years to make it work but instead had to prop up the economy again with taxpayers money!

          • lindablue

            Too bad your willing to vote for a guy with no jobs plan and not willing to tell what he’ll do to lower the deficit. Doesn’t that scare you?

          • Canistercook

            You must be referring to Obama! If you listened carefully neither of them has an absolute plan or direction. Furthermore neither of them can perform miracles. But one has business work experience and the other a piece of paper that says “I is a lawyer”.
            One has 10 or 15 years of leadership, the other has none. Revising the tax code and fixing the economy are the solution to the deficit which hopefully Romney will be able to do. I also hope he can re-unite our country instead of divide us,

          • ps2os2

            Ahhh not quite. Obama can’t plan squat except for a few items that aren’t controlled by Congress. Depending on the outcome of the election who has the majority in the house(s) then and only then can planning take place. The repugs are down right obstructionists and can and will block almost all legislative moves. There can be theoretical things planned but nothing can be done in real INK until the dust settles after the election. Romney has so much air in his so called plans that anything he said he was thinking of doing that actually happens is something else. I don’t care what Romney says how he worked both sides of the isle in MA the houses are entirely different and he will find himself hamstrung on most issues just like Obama is/was.

          • lindablue

            I guess if you call vetoing 300 pieces of legislation working together in Mass when he was Governor that he worked with them. That is why the people in Mass is just rearing to vote for him don’t you know. Lol.

          • Canistercook

            Had the house for two years and even then had, to RAM through Obamacare, his only real bill.

          • lindablue

            Its because Obama had the house for two years that he was able to create over 5 million jobs over the last 4 years without any Republicans help. He put in place sound economy policies to get our economy moving again after Bush destroyed it.

          • Canistercook

            Too bad you don’t understand how they come up with that number. Lots of people change jobs every year and go to a ‘new job’!

          • lindablue

            Explain it to me.

          • Canistercook

            Well if you work for Walmart and they fire you and you get a job at Target you are a ‘new hire’ and you report ‘new hires’ to the Labor dept quarterly.

          • lindablue

            ????? WTF?

          • lindablue

            Lots of people change jobs every year because Private Equity Firms come in and take their jobs to China. Lots of people used to work at the same company their whole lives until Congress changed our laws and gave tax breaks to corporations to move their business to third world countries, changed our tax laws to allow Private Equity Firms to hid their money off shore.

          • lindablue

            Obama has had a jobs plan for over 2 years now. Put money into infrastructure which gives local economies a boost, put money into re-educating workers for todays jobs, and make sure that states have the money they need to keep teachers, firefighters, and police. All could have already happened if the Republicans were as interested in governing as they are in playing political gamesmanship. Hopefully people wake up before it’s too late. This plan worked during the Clinton years and it will work now. If you want to know why so many people are on food stamps and other safety net programs you need only look to the behavior of Republican Party for the last 4 years. Republicans have no credibility with most voters that pay any attention at all to what has been going on. oters

          • Canistercook

            Plan for more government union jobs = more democratic voters.

          • lindablue

            Cry me a river. Its so sad that you hate unions so much. You hate that unions what? Fight for fair pay, unions fight for vacations for all workers, paid sick days? What is wrong with workers negotiating with their employers? Gee those poor job creators that must give a pittance of their profits to hard working people that allow them to make a profit. How bad is that for the economy? Come on now unions are not the problem greedy job creators are the problem. As we have all witnessed for the last 30 years. You should be thankful for democratic voters or you wouldn’t of been paid enough to save for your retirement.

          • Canistercook

            Nothing wrong with Unions except when they spend millions buying politicians who vote to allow them to retire at 55 on fat pensions while others have to work to 65 or 67 to get pittance pension and pay the bill for the government workers fat pension.

          • lindablue

            So how much has the rich spent to buy the politicians? A hell of a lot more than unions, that’s for sure . Sheldon Adelson alone has out spent the unions. Wonder what he is getting out of it? You know it’s something big much bigger than a guy retiring at 55. How about his freedom from breaking the “Foreign Corruption Act” law.
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            Canistercook wrote, in response to lindablue:

            Nothing wrong with Unions except when they spend millions buying politicians who vote to allow them to retire at 55 on fat pensions while others have to work to 65 or 67 to get pittance pension and pay the bill for the government workers fat pension.
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          • Canistercook

            Check your numbers Unions/versus Corporations and Pacs/versus Pacs I think you would be in for a BIG surprise. They are about LEVEL.

          • Canistercook

            The big thing he retired at 55 – lives to be 95 and collects a big check for 40 years and he only worked 30!

          • lindablue

            I would love to meet these guys you talk about. Most teachers I know work way past their 30 years to get their retirement, have to because the pay is so low and health benefits don’t start until the reach 63. Now you know why even after a teacher reaches the burn out point they must remain. Federal employee’s I know that retire at 30 years have done so because the jobs they were in were so dangerous and their physically unable to do them anymore. F.B.I., C.I.A. and the Military men and women.

          • lindablue

            Your making assumptions. Most people die with in a year of retiring.

          • Canistercook

            Not my friends and relatives! My brother just died 92

          • lindablue

            Fantasy most people die with months of retiring. It’s only the rich who never got dirty while working that lives to 90, the rest of us are dying on the job trying to get to 63 to retire.

          • Canistercook

            The census belies your comments

          • lindablue

            Yeah right they are telling you what they want you to think so they can take, take, take, from us. What are you willing to give up to fix the deficit?

          • Canistercook

            My social security check since it’s not worth much and Medicare if they will cancel it and let the free market take medical insurance back over.

          • lindablue

            Yeah I just bet you are. No one is stopping you from writing a check to the treasury every year to cover the SS and Medicare you receive. So let me know when you write the check. Bet you’ll even make the evening news and we will all hear about it.

          • Canistercook

            Why give more for them to give to the CEO of Solyndra etc.

          • lindablue

            Yeah why did G.W. give Solyndra the start up money and why is at least 2 of the Solyndra board members funding Romney?

          • Canistercook

            Check your facts. Obama gave them the money which is why he was shown lauding their factory before they declared bankruptcy on the taxpayers dollar. You sure do have your facts confused!

          • ps2os2

            And how many companies has Mitt been responsible for making them go bankrupt?

          • Canistercook

            None I believe. He did close down some unprofitable companies and open up and save some that were either in or close to bankruptcy.

          • ps2os2

            Here we go again. By closing down was forcing immense debt on companies that was the only option available, STAPLES comes to mind. Oh wait he testified in court that it was worthless and helped the husband avoid a costly divorce if that is what you mean by honesty.

          • lindablue

            Bush Admin. Advanced 16 Projects, Including Solyndra, Out Of 143 Submissions. The Department of Energy’s Loan Guarantee Program was created by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and expanded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. At a congressional hearing, Jonathan Silver, the Executive Director of Department of Energy’s Loan Programs Office, testified that the Bush administration’s DOE [Department of Energy] selected Solyndra from 143 submissions to move forward in the process.
            How’s that for checking facts. Not hard to find out the truth when you look for the truth.

          • Canistercook

            Solyndra had applied I believe when Bush was in office and was under consideration along with many other groups.
            Obama decided they were eligible and gave them the funding!

            Bush NEVER selected Solyndra or agreed to fund them. What exactly does “Move forward” mean? Guess one man’s truths are another man’s lies! Guess you have Silver’s testimony!

          • lindablue

            Solyndra had already been approved time and time again by the Bush Administration when Obama took office so Obama is to blame for a bad processing execution by the Bush Administration? I gave you the proof and still you deny the facts.

          • Canistercook

            Proof or wishful thinking? Suggest you look it up on the internet. The request was asked in the Bush era, the funding was done by Obama. Your biases are showing badly

          • lindablue

            Your bias is showing greatly Solyndra went through 16 Bush administrative approvals before Obama took office.

          • lindablue

            Yes you do have your facts confused but I recognize at your age confusion is understandable.

          • lindablue

            What drugs are you on or is it just too much Faux News?

          • lindablue

            We don’t have a free market system in health care we have a monopolized insurance system in health care. So you want something we have never had.

          • Canistercook

            I agree. That is because the biggest payer of premiums to support that health system is the Government and Employers. Employers are balking but not the government because they can pass the cost on to the rest of the taxpayers. A free market means we each shop and pay our own insurance.

          • lindablue

            No it’s because your legislature in your state says who can and can not sell insurance in your state. Damn can’t educate you can I. I know what a free market is and as I have explained to you, we don’t have a free market insurance industry we have a monopolized insurance industry in each state due to our legislators. They could of always allowed a free market health care but they take the money from the insurance industry to keep it a monopolized insurance industry. Who did not want a public option that would have opened the insurance industry to every citizens despite where they live? The Republicans working for the insurance industry, that’s who.

          • Canistercook

            Some Republicans have been trying to pass legislation that would allow insurance companies to cross lines along with some Democrats, but Obamacare will not allow that.

          • lindablue

            Funny because that was Obama’s original idea when he first started talking about the public option, allowing insurance companies to cover anyone no matter what state they lived in and the Republicans with the insurance companies help went crazy calling it government health care which is was not. But that is how we ended up where we are now. The insurance companies won the battle and you will now pay more because there is no competition. The insurance companies wanted their protected area’s and that is what we got. So the only one you are fooling is yourself. I was in the game fighting for public option so I paid attention to what was going on and who prevented it from happening.

          • Canistercook

            So he sold out to the Insurance companies! Wonder how much they contributed to his campaign? In place of the public option let everyone buy insurance and deduct their premium from their taxable income. Only those that don’t file a tax return will be left over and they are on Medicaid programs anyway!

          • lindablue

            No the Republicans sold your best interest out to the insurance companies.

          • Canistercook

            Then why did Obama give them such a good deal. He wants everyone to be forced to buy their policies!

          • lindablue

            Did you actually watch the negotiations over health care? I did and Obama used all the Republicans idea’s hoping for bi-partisanship. You do know that the health care plan we ended up with came from the Republican think tank the Heritage Foundation? Right?

          • Canistercook

            Wrong. A lot of idea were proposed – some good, some bad. Obamacare is a disaster as it is a big gift to the Insurers the medical society and the drug companies and can only be supported by taxing the hell out of our industries who provide jobs.

          • lindablue

            Obamacare is exactly the health care plan that the Republicans directed by their paymasters the insurance companies wanted you to have. Obama wanted Public Option and the Republicans played their little games and and screamed and yelled government controlled health care and got a bunch of Republicans out to Town Halls screaming and yelling Government care and the Republicans got their way. How quickly one forgets how thing really went down. Noticed Ben Nelson was punished for his roll in the health care game.

          • Canistercook

            The Unions screamed about Public Payer because they don’t want to take over payment of their health care premiums since they get it tax free now. Can’t believe how much misinformation there is out there

          • lindablue

            Not true the Republicans screamed about single payer because they were bought by the insurance companies. That’s funny because the people I saw screaming at the Town Halls where all seniors with no stake in the fight, except the fear of a government take over of health care which they are already in a government health care program and love it. Funny how easy those who have no stake in the fight were used for the Republicans needs. Sheeples.

          • lindablue

            Well you better wake up man because we are the ones paying for those who can’t afford health care with or without Obamacare. That’s why it cost so much out of pocket every time I go to the doctor office and why it cost seniors so much every time they go to the pharmacy. We have always paid for the uninsured.

          • Canistercook

            That’s true only we will pay more for them under Obamacare!

          • lindablue

            Yes we will but it will cost us less than emergency care because we will catch the illness before it gets serious.

          • ps2os2

            Lindablue:
            I am not sure of that. Several studies indicate there are a multitude of costs that seem to be built in to the system that are supposedly semi controllable. My memory is not specific as to the ranking but it went something like this.
            a. Visits to the doctor that could have been taken care of by a nurse.
            b. Duplicate tests run by doctors
            c. Unneeded tests
            (I don’t remember if b & C were one item)
            d. Paperwork
            e. through z other

            I might disagree with c. I know on my many visits to the doctors I got results from tests that were not right and they had to be run again. So maybe a qualified c

          • lindablue

            Many visits to doctors now days you are being treated by a para-professional nurse. I don’t think insurers pay for as many duplicate test as they once did although if the test is iffy I’m sure they do have to rerun the test. Part of what Obamacare does is to steam line paper work because insurance companies now will get paid for results not just care for the sake of care. Also by computerizing the industry far fewer error is care because they must use best care practices. Which is care that has a proven record of working.

          • ps2os2

            The majority of my visits to a doctor need to be with a doctor (I won’t list the ailments) but let us say they are complicated. I go to 2-3 specialists a month for the bigger items and again those can’t be handled by doctor as I always run it past him before I go to see a specialist. A lot of my issues seem to be complicated and any new drugs have to be run by my doctor. I have even caught specialist given me medications that I should have (because of other medications) they do not like it when I do (They have full access to my drug list).

          • lindablue

            I guess I’m lucky my doctor takes out his book on medications and always looks up to make sure he is not giving me anything that could cause harm with other medications I’m on, but then I go to a doctor within a college of medicine. Not everyone is luck enough to live by such facilities.

          • ps2os2

            Well I go to one of the major medical (teaching hospital) in the midwest. Doctors are lazy no matter where you go. BTW my PCP is always on his handheld looking up drugs and their interactions (he even shows me the results – most of the time). Its *SOME* doctors .

          • lindablue

            Your wrong. Obama care was the Heritage Foundations idea and Mitt showed the country that it can work. Your voting for the Godfather of ORomney care.

          • Canistercook

            Romney compromised o what both sides of the aisles wanted to pass not one side of the aisle. Heritage merely discusses issues.

          • lindablue

            Romney vetoed 800 Bills as Gov. of Mass. The only way anything got done while he was in office is the democratic congress over rode his vetos. The guy is more or as toxic as Cheney. Funny Republicans pass a lot of legislation that the Heritage Foundation supports and ALEC writes for them.

          • Canistercook

            More false information

          • lindablue

            More truth Romney did veto 800 Bills as Mass Gov. It was the overrides by the Democratic legislature that got anything done during his time as Gov. Romney couldn’t get a turd to come out of a asshole.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you counted them. I didn’t

          • lindablue

            Tell me which Republicans are trying to pass legislation to allow insurance companies to cross state lines, would love to know who they are and in what state? Because they have almost ever legislature in this country so if they want it it can happen lick-ity split.

          • lindablue

            Well really? The state government is the biggest payer of premiums if they are then they are not passing laws that benefit you but the employers and makes one think what is the problem then that jobs keep moving to China when health care is not a factor for businesses? Hmmm. I know what free market is so why don’t we have a free market health care system? Who stopped the free market health care system from kicking in and I want proof. Not your opinion.

          • Canistercook

            Our representatives on both sides of the aisle that get their election campaign money to keep their well paid jobs from unions, insurance companies and drug companies.

          • lindablue

            Well we know that the insurance companies and drug companies fund the Republicans well indeed.

          • lindablue

            Oh now you believe the government?

          • Canistercook

            Not completely but it’s supposed to count us!

          • lindablue

            Well according to you we need a small government how will they count us if we don’t have a government we can count on?

          • Canistercook

            We need a lot of new IRS workers to send out Obamacare bills,

          • lindablue

            Lol. Obama will not be the one using the IRS to go after you that’s something the Republicans will do, tell you they want small government then use the government to take from you. Ask they women that voted for them in the last election how that small government is working for them?

          • ps2os2

            Unions do not go to politicians to get things done when it comes to collective bargaining.
            Hint: its done face to face when the the negotiations are done for the contract.

          • lindablue

            He obviously never worked a Union job and purely listens to spin.

          • lindablue

            Obama has a jobs plan and went on the road to sell it. Again he wants to put half the savings from winding down the two wars into reducing the deficit and half of the savings into rebuilding our infrastructure. He wants to retrain our work force for the jobs we have with not enough trained workers to do those jobs. And he wants the rich to be patriotic and pay their share of taxes. This worked under Clinton and it will work now. What’s Mitt’s jobs plan? What’s Mitt’s deficit reduction plan? What’s Mitt’s health care plan?

          • Canistercook

            He wants to do something – but right now we NEED to DO something!

          • lindablue

            Then write John Bohner if you want something done. Yeah that will work, lol.

          • Canistercook

            I do ask for correction and sometimes it works

          • lindablue

            What will Romney do right now to get people back to work? What is Romney’s job plan? What is Romney’s deficit plan? What is Romney’s tax plan?

          • Canistercook

            Meet with Ceo’s of companies instead of playing golf! and campaigning! And he won’t appear on the View!

          • lindablue

            What is Romney’s job plan? What is Romney’s deficit plan? What is Romney’s tax plan?

          • Canistercook

            Meet with industrialists – those who create jobs, have good apprentice programs, discourage people getting on unnecessary government payrolls since they are un-productive, make it attractive to produce something here other than government jobs, print less money, reduce corporate taxes, cut government union pay and pensions where they are higher than rest of population etc.

          • lindablue

            Give me the companies names that have apprentice programs? My children would love to meet with them. Yeah the guy that has benefited from sending our jobs to China now wants other businesses to start apprentice programs to educate their work force. Then why did Bain just move a trained work force Sensata workers jobs to China even though the company has made record profits? Explain that one to me? Because of the way Mitt Romney and Bain and other Private Equity Firms have done business we have a larger welfare state in this country. So you believe him. LMAO. Cutting peoples pay and pensions only means they are less able to care for their families, and themselves. Another spin you buy into. Well why don’t you look at what the average state worker is paid it may wake you up. Hey I have a bridge to sell you.

          • Canistercook

            Not many right now. Sensata was NOT profitable in fact was in bankruptcy. If you pay high pay and pensions to government employees you have to tax the rest of the workers for the money. Hence wages have to be high for everyone. Hence not competitive. Hence you have no need for workers because you have no factories because you can’t sell anything. Simple math! China is starting to have problems because their sales are dropping rapidly.

          • lindablue

            Not true Sensata was very profitable. The company had it’s most profitable year in it’s history and yet Bain is moving their jobs to China. Which is what Bain/Private equity is all about selling out American jobs to China. I don’t where your getting your information from maybe you should talk to the workers. Hence you mean Bain is GREEDY and wants even more profits by using sweat laborers. They is no end to Bain’s Greed.

          • lindablue

            In fact Sensata had it’s most profitable year yet just last year. So your just plain wrong.

          • Canistercook

            The records I read is that they are on the verge of bankruptcy!

          • lindablue

            In fact that is untrue. Sensata was the most profitable last year than anytime in it’s history so their was no reason for Bain to move their jobs to China other than GREED, GREED, & MORE GREED.

          • lindablue

            Obama has had a plan for the last four years, Republicans have obstructed his jobs plan for the last four years. Do you even pay attention? Take off those rose colored glasses.

          • Canistercook

            Guess I don’t know why did not get pushed through and worked when he had control of House and Senate. Exactly what was his plan – tax the ‘rich’ hire a bunch more government IRS workers to audit them and redistribute the existing wealth to others and create another expensive poorly designed health care system to cover all the welfare bunch that now use county hospitals and cover men on mama’s insurance until they are 26!.

          • lindablue

            Some of his plan did get through the small stimulus plan that the Republicans forced on the country created 5 million private sector jobs. Can you imagine where we would be had the Republicans listened to the economist instead of their think tanks. He took the middle man out of college loans so more people could afford to stay in college. I love government workers having them means I don’t have to wait all day to get my license renewed, government workers pick up my trash, government workers teach my grandchildren, government workers keep my neighborhood safe, government workers put out fires that protect my house, government workers fix the pot holes in the roads I drive on. Obamacare was the first step in fixing an already broken health care system. Jez, you want what you want and you want it now. You sound like Eric Cantor. You can’t understand that things in government has to be done inclemently. Nothing for the people ever happens in one swoop. What are you willing to give up that solely effects you to fix the deficit?

          • Canistercook

            They sure do a lot of you and I guess you expect others to pay them and work harder to pay them. Wonder why investors are leaving the country!

          • lindablue

            Who do you think got the lot of the stimulus plan? You do understand it was business that got the greatest share of the stimulus money don’t you? In fact every business Romney has done photo ops at where businesses that got stimulus money. Ha, ha, ha. What a game he plays with those willing to except anything that comes out of his mouth.

          • Canistercook

            Solyndra, GM, electric battery companies and companies like that headed up by Obama supporters along with government departments. There are businesses and businesses! Just wait till they run out again of stimulus money!

          • lindablue

            Funny you speak of auto suppliers who Mitt’s Wife Ann just made a killing off from because the Vulture Private Equity Firm she has her stock in just bought Delphi and striped the workers of their union and their $10.00 an hour job. Sending 25 of the 26 plants to China. Again we have the Romney’s for depressing the workers wages and sending thousands more jobs to China.

          • Canistercook

            Think you dream up statistics! Guess for you anyone who made it in life is evil. Take a look at Obama’s 2011 tax return. Almost 1.5 million. Sure came up fast for a guy who has only learned how to talk.

          • lindablue

            Making is one thing. Making on the back of the American workers is just plan greedy. Robber Baron’s. Obama is not closing down American Manufacturing companies and putting American’s out of work for a few more bucks and neither is his wife. Michelle Obama had a great job before she became First Lady. I’m sure they made good investments during their working lives. You see the difference they worked for their money vs trust fund babies like Mitt and Ann.

          • Canistercook

            MANY OF US WOULD HAVE GREAT JOBS IF WE HAD THE MONEY TO GET INTO YALE AND HARVARD AND GET A LAW DEGREE BUT WAS NOT A MINORITY!

          • ps2os2

            Please go back to the swamp.
            Obama was in charge of the Harvard Law Review he got that with his expertise not by the his use of the minority.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you know it all. I wonder how many tried to become Editors of the Law Review! If he was the only volunteer he would get the job. That is a student publication!

          • ps2os2

            Only if…
            It is *THE* most prestigious legal publication in the US. Lawyers read and learn from it. In case you didn’t know lawyers are smarter than you (and me) or Joe The Plumber (I am capitalizing Plumber only for your sake).

          • Canistercook

            Then that says why we are in such a mess then if they are really considered prestigious!

          • lindablue

            Your way of thinking is why this country is so F**ked up. The idea that you would deny a brilliant man who earned his grades by doing his homework and studying and hold up the guy whose father bought his way into every school he went too show’s why this country is as divided as it is. Shame on you.

          • Canistercook

            Seems like you inject black and old people into conversation, not me. Don’t know who paid Obama’s tuition so I won’t comment on it.

          • lindablue

            Wow he is so bigoted when it comes to a black President that now the Harvard Law Review is now considered nothing. The guy has real mental problems as even when given facts he makes excuses for his own thinking or should I say his own bigotry.

          • Canistercook

            It is considered prestigious, and it is very dedicated to ‘affirmative action’ which is good and we don’t know to what degree that played in Obama’s selection or if it didn’t. However it is still a student publication. I have never as such questioned the fact that Obama is pretty smart and not dumb by any means, but rather I question his very left wing politicalleaning and his leaning to Communistic style of government. Stalin and Hitler both were not dumb either but became leaders in their time. Many highly supported them at the time they ran for office unfortunately on the promise of redistribution of the wealth!. Their rise to power meant death to many others and ultimate destruction for others. I believe in equal opportunity and the free enterprise system. I also believe those that can should contribute their fair share of work and effort to society. It sure took East Germany a while to catch up to West Germany after they had became so used to a Communistic system while under it. They are happy now though they have adjusted back to a Capitalistic system because it works better and provides them a better standard of living.

          • ps2os2

            Sigh you are starting to sound like Romney who still thinks Russia is our prime enemy. Still happy living in the 1950’s? Becareful the future is here and it will bite you in the a** if you aren’t careful.

          • Canistercook

            Russia and China are powers and we need to be aware of that. They are not our friends they are our competitors.

          • lindablue

            Laughing. The Republicans are using every communist trick in the book but Obama who governs more like a Eisenhower is a communist. You are so funny.

          • lindablue

            Excuse me you do understand that anyone can get a student loan. Getting student loans has nothing to do with being a minority. Having the grades to be invited into Harvard or Yale is most students problem. Michelle and Barack had the grades to be invited into Harvard and didn’t get in their cause daddy had the money to buy their way in like Mitt and G.W.

          • Canistercook

            That is a problem and 8 billion of those loans government does not expect will ever b paid back. My friends two children have the last name Rodriques and they got admitted to a college because they are a minority. At least their name is even if they were adopted by their stepfather and had no minority parent. I don’t blame them for taking advantage of their new name.

          • lindablue

            Then why do you try using minority status to make Obama look bad if that is something that does not bother you? By the way Obama worked for his static his daddy did not buy it for him. He got excellent grades in college and worked his way up to Harvard Review. He was not dependent on his daddies name and economic status to get into any school or to become President.

          • Canistercook

            It has nothing to do with his minority status, just his actions and ability to lead.

          • lindablue

            It has everything to do with his minority status. That’s why the Tea Party was out with their disgusting signs portraying our President as a African witch doctor and worse. He has lead with honor despite the actions of your Party this President can actually say every bit of improvement this country has made the past 4 years he has done on his own without any Republican help. The first time in history a sitting President can say he did it on his own and did a great job. Our President has more class than any Republican even Reagan.

          • Canistercook

            You really are in love with him. He made almost 4 million a year on royalties from Random House selling his book to his lovers. A good deal for him.

          • lindablue

            That’s right a hard working author that wrote a book. So now that’s a bad thing? I thought you were all about hard work? Yes how much did Romney make on his book? Lots you can be sure.

          • Canistercook

            You are a dreamer. They don’t write these books, writer’s write them for them. All of them come out with a book. Bush, O’Reilly, Clinton, et al.

          • lindablue

            Maybe your guy’s get writers to write for them Obama is bright enough to write his own books. Harvard grads that’s daddy didn’t buy their way into Harvard actually depends on their own brains to get through the work of writing a book.

          • Canistercook

            Not the Tea Party’s actions – individuals are free to do what they want. There are right wing and left wing idiots!

          • ps2os2

            Sorry do not buy it. Go back and look at the town hall’s that were held. It was plain that these meeting were disrupted on purpose by the tea party.

          • lindablue

            Absolutely the Town Halls were interrupted on purpose by the racist hateful Tea Party that was bought and paid for by the Koch brother’s and organized by Dick Army.

          • lindablue

            Who are you trying to fool? All of America watched in horror as the Tea Party marched on the Capital with their ridicules sign of Obama as a witch doctor. Don’t tread on me snake in the grass asses.

          • Canistercook

            I didn’t watch? Was it the Party or one individual?

          • lindablue

            It was the Party, bought and paid for by the Koch brother’s who bused the Tea Party into Washington. Who acted like a bunch of racist morons. Is it the Party or the individual that makes John Bohner attend Nazi Rally’s to speak at?

          • ps2os2

            There are insults and there are insults but this is a new low even for you. President Obama is more intelligent than you and is better educated than you and his accomplishments disprove your writing. Go back to the swamp where you crawled out of.

          • Canistercook

            Guess it is insulting to advise you that a man who has produced nothing is now a very rich man and laughing at you all the way to the Bank! I am impressed with his sales pitches and nothing else.

          • ps2os2

            Be-careful of the word “producing” it will bite you in the ass. Lawyers actually work for a living (after seeing enough lawyer shows and talking with same) you would be surprised what they create. And YES they do not create “items” as you would think of things their work is words and use there of. Most lawyers would spit you out as they have some taste.

          • Canistercook

            They laugh all the way to the bank getting $450 and hour!

          • lindablue

            Investors are leaving our country because our legislature/Republicans made it profitable to send our jobs overseas and their cash off shore.

          • Canistercook

            Dream on!

          • lindablue

            Reality check.

          • lindablue

            First of all when Obama first got into office he had no idea how bad of shape the Republicans left our country in. Seems you didn’t notice either or you would be smart enough to vote every Republican of office.

          • Canistercook

            This is an international recession = guess you never heard of Greece or Ireland? Sure hope next term will see someone who knows what is happening!

          • lindablue

            Yes I recognize that Republicans deregulation of the financial institutions have caused a worldwide recession. Oh what harm our voters have put upon the world.

          • lindablue

            Yeah thanks Republican for destroying our economy.

          • lindablue

            You are such a whiner. You whine about people who can’t find a job and then you think we should give in to the black mailing rich and kiss their ass for us providing them with their wealth. You whine about unions that fought to give you the very government programs that you now live off from without even giving it a second thought before you open your mouth.

          • ps2os2

            sigh… yes there are issues (in private industry and the public sectors) about retiring early.
            And in fact a lot of people are lucky and can do it and sigh turn around and become contractors. There are both good and bad things about the situation and there is no straightforward answer on it, however IMO becoming a contractor is not an option (unless it is in a totally unrelated industry).

          • Canistercook

            I am stlll looking for the good side of my neighbor who worked 3 – 12 hour night shifts a week as a fireman, retired at 55 – gets $5,000 a month pension and now runs a pool business. I had to work to 65, to get $1200 a month social security. Also the retired Government commissioner who retired on $150,000 a year retirement and then got hired back to run the County Water Board at $200,000 a year. Sure could live it up on $350,000 a year plus gets health and all the other perks free. The average worker is being ripped off royally not by the Corporations, but by the Government unions and Obama is their man – bought and paid for. The Unions are spending a fortune brain washing the little people – they don’t have to brain wash the union members they are Obama’s children. I am just hoping enough people will wake up. Romney is not my first choice and I wish they didn’t have to cater to that group of evangelists to get elected but getting Obama out before we crash under the weight of government payroll and pensions and poorly enforced un- audited entitlements I feel is a MUST.

          • lindablue

            Wow you must live in a very up scale area for a Commissioner to get $150,000 a year. But some Cities have more than others. Not all elected officials make that kind of money. Must say though many Government workers do work more than one government job at a time. I know in my rural area a principal was elected as a county commissioner in more than one district. I don’t blame him for running but as a voter I would never vote a guy in as a commissioner who will be voting on the school budget but those in their district seem not to see the conflict of interest. You do understand that many county and state workers pay into their pensions and health care depending on where you live? I still see a need for unions because look at what we pay Governors and his staff. The Governor does not always look at the best interest of their citizens. Michigan is a good example of that look at what their Governor is spending a year on his city managers that are not doing any better than the government that the people voted in and does not answer to the people.

          • lindablue

            I don’t know about your wealth but my wealth has always been redistributed every time my state votes in a Republican Governor and a Republican President with a Republican congress. They give me a piddling of what they give the rich let Wall Street write their own rulers to rip off my 401k with their bad investments that I first take at hit on my 401k, then I have to pay for their bailout. If that isn’t redistribution of wealth at my eexpense I don’t know what is.

          • Canistercook

            That’s why capital gains earnings have a lower rate because sometimes one takes one heck of a hit on one’s investments. I could agree with you though there are a lot of rip off artists in Wall Street so one has to be careful. I have done about the same under both parties but have been taxed a lot more by Democratic politicians. Right now Gov Brown is trying to raise our State tax to 12% plus 9% on sales. Why buy a new car when one has to pay $120 to the government on each $1,000 you pay for the car. I don’t think we should bail out anyone.

          • lindablue

            Capital Gains Investment firms take no hits what so ever. Name one hit they have taken at the risk of their own money? You don’t think we should have an industrial base in this country? We should have just low paying service jobs for the people in this country? We should all live on the crumbs of the rich? How many poor is expectable to you? Interesting what would have happened to our banking system had we not bailed them out? Do you buy foreign cars that subsidize their industrial base?

          • Canistercook

            Well I wonder why I lost my $5000 I invested in Washington Mutual then! Guess you have never saved up and invested in an American enterprise!

          • lindablue

            Washington Mutual Inc (WAMU), is a savings bank holding company. Founded in 1889 as a loan and investment association, the company which later undergo several name chances as well as strategic shifts in it’s banking and loan practices through its nearly 120 years of existence. From it’s inception until 1983, WaMu operated as a mutual company deriving profits and gains to be reinvested towards services and products for its existing and future members. During the time which WaMu operated as a mutual company, a series of purchases of other banks and holdings were made as a way to expand the membership of the bank and it’s services.
            In 1983 the company went through demutualization following 94 years of operation. For the first time in it’s history WaMu would issue capital stock onto the free market and change it’s overal business purpose to “for profit”, while it strives to maintain the same benefits and services that it had provided before demutualization. Shortly after converting over the company, WaMu would see its assets double in just 6 years. During that time and the years that followed, the company would go on to acquire 29 more banking companies and divisions, adding more assets to the company’s portfolio. WaMu also saw the addition of several mortgage companies and a credit card division into its business plan. By 2005, WaMu had become the 3rd largest mortgage company in the United State, as well as the 9th largest credit card company.
            As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu’s aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.

            Oops it became the victim of the deregulation that the Republicans pushed for. Sorry for your loss and sorry you can’t see that the party you support has bankrupted many citizens for the profits of a few.

          • lindablue

            How about just paying their workers a fair wage for a days work and giving them health care.

          • Canistercook

            They do provide wages they love and all get healthcare costing half what Obamacare will cost.

          • lindablue

            Who pays fair wages and give health care?

          • lindablue

            You mean they pay into health care that they can’t afford to use you are right but they don’t pay fair wages unless you call $10.00 a hour or less a living wage?

          • Canistercook

            No not a living wage, especially with the inflation in the past 3 years in the price of food and gas. Looks like we will have health care but nothing to eat!

          • lindablue

            I think your right. LOL.

          • lindablue

            Not jealous just want to keep good paying jobs in our country and not keep sending them to China via Romney and Bain.

          • Canistercook

            Then check out all your rich Democratic politicians like Pelosi and Feinstein et al and see how much stock they own in companies that make products overseas. Even Obama!
            Most US companies have overseas production in order to compete in the world market and politicians use the phrase to excite the ‘little’ guy into voting for them because they know they are not very well informed. The US would go broke if they did not compete in the world market and could not sell their planes and agricultural products to other companies.

          • lindablue

            Tell me someone who’s pensions are tied to overseas investments and I’ll show you an idiot. Especially when the Republican Party gives Wall Street car blanch/ write their own rules / and let them play Russian Roulette with our pensions. You’d have to be a moron to keep all your money invested our market. You like to point fingers at Democrats that are the only thing between you and getting no SS & Medicare. Brainwashed much?

          • Canistercook

            The majority of pension funds, Calpers, the Presidents, most government groups have investments in overseas producing companies. You are not very well informed on how to invest. Both Democrats and Republicans have their pension funds in foreign investments in the U.K. Beers in S. Africa, Oil in Brazil etc etc. I did not choose to join SS and Medicare I was forced into it. Hopefully someone can save them both before we go broke as China may refuse to bail us out in the future. Better have your children learn Chinese if we keep going in the direction we are heading right now. You may need to go to China to get a job! I’ve been there and they are building like crazy with our big interest payments.

          • lindablue

            We did not choose to pay into Social Security and Medicare either but we are going to fight to make sure that everyone that does gets the same benefits that your getting. We don’t have that I’ve got mine f**k you attitude. We are not going to sit idly by and allow any group of politicians take from us what we have given to you and to them.

          • Canistercook

            Just hope the Chinese will help you pick up the bills!

          • lindablue

            Hey we paid back Japan in the when Reagan barrowed from them and we will pay back China even if it was the Republicans that spent us into bankruptcy just like Reagan did in the 80’s.

          • Canistercook

            Hope you pay back your families share – its several thousand dollars.

          • lindablue

            Republicans always worry about debt after they spent all the money. Did not hear one whine from the Republican voters when G.W. and comrades were spending all the money out of the Treasury. Where were TP protesters then? My family like ever family in Amercia paid for the last spending Spree Republicans went on and we will pay for this one too, like we always do. We just will not let you take our SS and Medicare benefits while were paying for your parties spending spree.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you are deaf. We are not trying to ‘take’ anything from you but trying to preserve it for your children and grandchildren. Without a viable producing society all these programs will not survive. Even the Russians have learned that! We seek to help the deserving needy not the obese, smoking, drinking, sexually reckless greedy!

          • lindablue

            To preserve it for my children, really? How is taking away my Share of Social Security and Medicare saving it for my children. I have worked as hard as you have. I have paid into as long as you have. I will fight to keep what you have for me and my children. If they want to save our country money then they should go back to the 2006 spending limits on the Pentagon and not build a bunch of ships we don’t need and other military hardware that will just collect dust. Or perhaps we will not keep our promises to you after all. If you believe that you will be protected from cuts I have a bridge to sell you. Off the Cliff.

          • lindablue

            It’s not our interest payment paying to build up China it’s Capital Investment firms moving our jobs to China to make a profit and to further degrade the standard of living of the American work force.

          • Canistercook

            It’s both but at least the sale of the Chinese products puts dividends into Americans IRA’s and gov pension funds!

          • lindablue

            I can honestly say that my 401k is not invested in any China businesses. Sorry that you can’t. Cheap China products in this country is a disaster for the American worker. Aren’t you lucky that in your time as a worker you did not have to compete with cheap China slave encampment workers that Capital Investment Firms soaked their investors money into to compete with your work and your wages.

          • lindablue

            No American I know buys directly into China investments except Romney.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you don’t have an IRA then!

          • lindablue

            No single American can buy into China. You must be an Investment Firm to do business in China. My IRA’s are not invested in China. Could be I’m not good at making money or it could be that I have ethics to whom I will do business with.

          • Canistercook

            Your an exception then, most IRA’s are in Companies that manufacture overseas. Mine is.

          • Canistercook

            I,m talking about American companies producing their products in China!

          • lindablue

            You mean Investment Firms like Bain who buy American companies to make American workers unemployed to give China workers the work in sweatshop conditions all so they can make a few more bucks and get tax breaks for doing so. So sorry that Obama wants to stop this unfair practice. But hey you vote for the tax dodger.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t want to confuse you with facts and realities. Ford is just considering closing its plant in Belgium and moving it to Spain because labor is cheaper there! You obviously have little understanding of the world we MUST compete in or become a third world country like Mexico, Even They are trying hard to enter world markets.

          • lindablue

            So that is why I’m voting for Obama. He will give a tax break to Ford to bring the jobs back to America where they will employ American workers. I also make sure when I buy a car from an American Car Company that the car is actually built in America. That is how you combat any company from going to other countries to make their products with your wallet.

          • Canistercook

            Wrong again! There is no such animal as a car ‘made in America’. There are cars ‘assembled’ in America and many of the parts, and sometime most of the parts are made abroad. But we do need to reduce corporate taxes it is driving industry out of the country except for high tech. My vote goes to the one with most experience in running a business not someone with a law degree and two years as a politician. America is BIG BUSINESS!

          • lindablue

            I understand that some parts are made in other countries but I’ve seen all three big three car companies bring back model from other countries because American’s won’t buy them if they are built in other countries. If they want to build in other countries so that those who live in those counties can buy them fine, no problem. I will not buy any American Car Companies vehicle that was built in another country nor will I buy a foreign car built in this country. I stand by unionized workers. Lol. You stand with the guy that invested Delphi and closed 24 American plants and sent their jobs to China and stuck you the taxpayer holding the bill for their pensions.

          • Canistercook

            Toyota Japan assembles most of their cars in the U.S. with union employees!

          • lindablue

            Well duh we do buy most of their cars but unfortunately they are not unionized workers in the U.S. building their cars it’s $15,00 an hour workers. If you didn’t notice during Japans Tsunami and earth quack the Japanese’s only buy cars from companies that originates in their country because they understand that the money they spend on their cars when buying them supports their nation. they have that thing called patriotism for their country. They don’t have to come up with excuses why it’s okay to buy foreign cars because they don’t.

          • Canistercook

            British ‘used’ to buy more Fords than any other vehicle!

          • lindablue

            What does the Brits have to do with us not using our buying power to support workers in our country or for that matter supporting our Nabors job?

          • Canistercook

            The fact that what goes into your pension fund depends on what they and Europe buys from American companies. 40% of our exports go to U>K> and Europe. But you wouldn’t understand that

          • lindablue

            We still have the buying power to change how business does business and we are still the worlds largest economy. China has not caught up because they pay their work force a horribly small wage and the people can not afford to buy the products they make.

          • Canistercook

            Only just! But our standard of living is not as high as some other countries and our production is lower than many based on our population.

          • lindablue

            First we are the only industrialized nation that has no protectionist laws. Our production is lower because they were smart enough to take care of their own people first.

          • Canistercook

            How surprised you would be if you were to visit Beijing today versus 20 years ago. Even I was shocked by their progress!

          • ps2os2

            *AND* their terrible pollution that kills many each year. The air is as thick as you can get it. No one in their right mind would willingly work in that kind of toxic air dump.

          • lindablue

            You have always got an answer to the obvious. Obviously the China worker does not make enough money to bring up their standard of living. They are although with the help of Private Equity Firms bring up the standard of their country.

          • lindablue

            Oh buy the way that means that 60% of the products made in this country are bought by the workers in this country. See we do have buying power.

          • Canistercook

            No. 40% of our ‘exports’ go to Europe. A lot more goes to Canada, Australia, Asia. Some companies export all their products others very little!

          • lindablue

            Other than Canada the other countries do take enough of our exports to spit on. Why you ask because they don’t have a large enough population to match ours. Even those that do have big populations their workers don’t make an income to buy enough of our products.

          • lindablue

            Canadians still do. My last trip to Canada and I went in through Buffalo N.Y. and went out in Detroit. You don’t see any Japanese cars their because they are bright enough to drive the American cars that they build. Unlike us. We buy a bunch of foreign car that send the money back to the country of Japan, Germany, etc.

          • Canistercook

            Check out the number of Toyotas and BMW’s licensed in Canada!

          • lindablue

            I don’t have to check it out like I said I was there and saw what the people drive they drive American cars and trucks that they build in their country.

          • lindablue

            No unions in Japanese plants in the U.S. since the majority of those plants are in right to work states and the people in the southern right to work states know nothing but low paying jobs.

          • Canistercook

            Not all but they sure try to be.

          • ps2os2

            LindaBlue:

            The Japanese may not have unions but they have something similar. It (from a weak memory) is almost in a lot of ways a lot worse than unions (some ways better though).
            They have rules that are utterly complex and at the same time simple. A boss cannot tell employee to do anything it must be communicated to a superior and it must be done in a precise way and it is totally foreign to how you and I would think it should be. The production lines are not to be believed. employee just can’t do anything that is not in the manual and the employee cannot do anything that is not in the manual. There is no room for discussion with a boss. If the book says the wrench must be turned left and its (should be right) the entire process breaks down and there is no room for discussion. It is so rigid that it would have your head shaking with disbelief in a few minutes.

          • lindablue

            Sounds like American production is likes these days. Everything is not timed and no one has time in between jobs to do anything but walk over for the next part to be put on. That is why I laugh at Dumbo who thinks unions are so bad. Unions want the company to make money so they can have jobs. Only people who have never been in a job that produces anything would not understand the rigors of a production line and why unions are an important part of our economy.

          • lindablue

            Vote with your wallet you will be amazed what work will come back to the U.S.A, if you do.

          • lindablue

            The cost of those cheaper goods is closed American factories, lost jobs and stagnant wages for most of us who still have jobs. It also means sacrificing our ability to make a living in the future. If we keep going down this path, the U.S. will no longer be the leading source of innovation and new technology.

          • Canistercook

            You are right, we had better wake up and compete.

          • ps2os2

            Ehhh Ford did that 10 (or so) moved some (or most) of its assembly lines to Mexico (this was just after NAFTA but I could be wrong). I bought a mustang that was assembled in Mexico and was not happy when I found it out. I stopped buying Ford products as a result.

          • lindablue

            I always do my research before purchasing any vehicle to make sure its made in the good ole U.S.A. I don’t buy any foreign brands even if they are made here. I want my money to stay in America.

          • ps2os2

            Good luck with any car now days. It also gets complicated as the manufacture will make the parts in other countries and assemble them here.

          • lindablue

            Yes electrical parts are made in China. You would be surprised at how many part where made here in the U.S.A, before Romney and his hence men took advantage of the auto bailout and sent those Delphi jobs to China and made a huge profit while doing so.

          • Canistercook

            You are mistaken it is happening Jan 1 and the Belgian workers are hopping mad. All American car manufacturers make cars overseas. Guess you better stop buying American cars!

          • lindablue

            Yes but I don’t buy any American car built in another country so I make sure I only buy from American Companies whose product is built here. It’s not that hard to find out where the car is made just Google.

          • Canistercook

            Assembled here you must mean!

          • lindablue

            Some part just can’t be made by U.S. workers as cheap as China is willing to do it in their sweatshops.

          • Canistercook

            Suggest you take a trip to China and see how happy the majority are with their progress.

          • lindablue

            Still you make my point. IRA’s go through an Investment Firm. You don’t buy your IRA’s on your own. No individual can buy into a communist country like China on their own.

          • Canistercook

            McDonald’s, KFC, Starbucks, etc., all did!

          • lindablue

            Yes corporations can you can’t.

          • lindablue

            KFC, McDonald’s and Starbucks are a Corporation they are not individuals.

          • lindablue

            I’ll take my loser President that is fighting for the middle class any day over your rich guy who won’t show his whole tax return.

          • Canistercook

            Another 4 years of Obamaonmics and there won’t be much ‘middle class’ left only the food stamp and entitlement receivers looking for someone ‘rich’ to tax!

          • lindablue

            Yes sir. 5 million private sector jobs during the slowest growth period since the great depression in just 4 years, while reducing the government. Slowest growth in the deficit since Bill Clinton years. 7 law suit against China and won and 10 pending. Pass a law to equalize women’s pay “Lily Ledbetter Act.” Slowest health care premium increase in 10 years, 1st ever health care rebate from insurance companies. Ended the Iraq war and gave us a date to end war in Afghanistan. You bet ya!!!!

          • lindablue

            There won’t be any middle class if Romney becomes President. King of shipping middle class our jobs to China Romney.

          • ps2os2

            I am a bit more realistic. Obama will be the place Holder For Hillary.
            If Mitt got elected I think I would move out of the US .

          • Canistercook

            Nice that you are volunteering to pay more ta to ‘support your ‘country’, or are you?

          • lindablue

            Are you willing to do your share to support your country?

          • Canistercook

            I too would suppport Big Bird if I thought they needed it but I would not indebt my country to China to do it.

          • lindablue

            Sure you would. At anytime you can make a donation to your local PBS station and guess what it won’t cost the government a dime if you do your share.

          • Canistercook

            I’m willing to post on line copies of my many donations and copies of my cancelled checks to KQED if you will! PBS and Sesame Street are great but I would not criticize a man for saying he would not put us in debt to a foreign country to support them, especially since Sesame street earns millions. We do need common sense to prevail. This whole political campaign has hit an all time low level of integrity.

          • lindablue

            But yet you seem to have a problem with making our tax code fair. Hmmm love your double standard. 4.4 million dollars the government gives to local PBS stations will not balance the budget. The 56 Billion a year the rich get out of paying into the treasury sure would.

          • Canistercook

            One thing Obama has done well – recruit those jealous of anyone who has made it in life.
            There are several things I would do to make the tax code fairer, i.e.make government and union workers pay tax on their health care premiums like I do, limit mortgage insurance
            to say $1,000,000 interest not 5,000,000 on a mansion; not allow interest deduction on second homes, but Obama is suggesting none of these, just raising taxes on those already paying more then their fair share. He is sure Buffet’s friend and wants to preserve his friend’s tax breaks.

          • lindablue

            Do you pay taxes on your health care? No you don’t pay taxes on your health care as a matter of fact if you are an employer you get a tax deduction on your health care premium. The rich are not paying more than their fair share unless they are paying at a minimum of 35% like every other worker in this country. Buffett and Gates want fair taxes. unlike you they believe the tax rates on them should at the very least amount to what the hard working middle class is asled to pay. So sorry to hear that your not willing to do your share when the country is in such dire straights.

          • Canistercook

            You sure are a very misinformed individual. About 47% pay no income tax and the majority of American workers pay between 15% and 24% on their earnings depending on their income. A small percentage of high income people and investors pay between 24% and 35% depending on their income. Buffet like Romney pays 15% on an income of millions because he has mostly capital gain income. I don’t know what Gates pays and nor do you. Buffet has never proposed increasing his capital gains rate. The reason the capital gains rate is low because it has risks and because investment is needed to provide jobs and productivity. My share is to pay the percentage I do and it is high enough. The country is in dire straits because the Government Unions and Auto Unions have driven productivity out of the country. Even Obama is suggesting we should reduce Corporate taxes because they too are driving work away from our country. Wake up and smell the roses before it is too late. Sounds like you might like to move to a Communistic country like Cuba.

          • lindablue

            You believe the right wing spin machine. So lets talk about the 47% who pay no taxes. Soldiers or anyone serving our country in the military pay no taxes. Retired folks generally pay no taxes, disabled people pay no taxes do to the severity of their disability, I think I’ve summed who does not pay taxes in our country and gee I think our society will survive with out their the small amount they could pay but that would leave them without important live saving medications, a roof over their heads, or a warm house to go home too. The Rich on the other hand would still have their many homes, yatchs, and would feel no hardship in doing their fair share of tax paying. My problem is the well off are whining about doing their duty to their country. How much to you make a year? Must be over a million or your whining for someone else and not about what is in your best interest. Romney’s Capital gains tax he never took a risk on with his own money, he got the investors to take the risk for him and changed them a fee for setting up the business deal.

          • ps2os2

            Just a small nit with your entry.
            Retired do pay taxes on their SS (I am not sure if they pay SS tax but it would seem to be an over reach if they were to)

          • lindablue

            I know they do my mother- in -law owes taxes every year. They have to pay on their investments they bought when they worked, they pay property tax every six months, and all the same taxes we pay. I do however know elderly that do not pay taxes due to having been stay at home mom and living solely on SS. So it goes both ways, although even they pay property taxes.

          • Canistercook

            Amazing how uninformed some people are. Military pay taxes depending on their income. Retired – like Romney – pay taxes depending on their income, disabled pay taxes depending on their income. The people who don’t pay income taxes are the truly poor, those that have little or no income and those that should but don’t declare their income.
            Liberals seem to think that some people, just because they have worked hard and succeeded in life are not ‘fair’ unless they prop up the idle, lazy and overpaid union members including government union members. Romney could have become a playboy after graduating from college, instead he worked and become a producer of jobs!

          • lindablue

            Laughing that you believe that Romney is retied. I’m not the one whining about the 47% who don’t pay taxes that would be your candidate doing the whining and you. You mean like Romney who hides his money in foreign accounts and will not come clean with the American people about how much he is worth and show his whole tax return? Please name the idle and lazy people in this country? I’m sick of your blanket statements about the poor that never seem to materialize. So you think that liberals are the problem? Liberals don’t work hard their whole life and never make anything of themselves, right? I can name many liberals that have done quite well like Rob Reiner, Penny Marshall, the list goes on and on. So what is your excuse for taking Social Security and Medicare programs you claim to hate? You know those good for nothing liberal programs that only low life’s use. Could it be that after paying taxes your whole life and paying into those liberal programs you feel entitled to them? Should we make the churches responsible for the poor alone? You mean like the jobs Romney provides in China? Not here in America!!! You have I’m sure heard of Senata worker who are now being put out of work by Romney and his investors who are at this very moment sending their jobs and that Union made machinery over to China.

          • ps2os2

            @lindablue
            I would like to see all those people who are bitching about medicare once and for all to shut up and pledge that they will never use nor receive any benefit from Medicare. Go ahead let them burn their medicare card just do not get any benefits from it.

          • lindablue

            Damn skippy, they whine about liberal programs while their collecting. Make me want to puke on them. Hell I’ll even buy them the lighter.

          • lindablue

            Hell if they are true libertarians they would take the money they have invested over their working lives and their savings and move to Mexico where they can pull themselves up by their own boot straps and live off their own money and not bother trying to change our collective society.

          • ps2os2

            Mexico… Thats where Mitts’ father went… maybe that was the reason…

          • lindablue

            Lol. Of course it had nothing to do with U.S. passing a law to out law polygamy. And it was his grandfather that moved to Mexico taking his father and his many wives and children from those wives with him.

          • ps2os2

            Then it was his father who screwed over Michigan so badly. Well like grandfather like son, like grandson it runs in the family.

          • lindablue

            Actually I lived in Michigan when Mitt’s father George Romney was Governor and to be honest he was a pretty good Governor even if he did run American Motors into the ground. He governed liberally and was well liked, unlike his son the Gov. off Mass where the people their still have a bad taste in their mouth over the way Mitt left their state in debt to over a tune of a billion dollars and vetoed over 700 hundred Bills. I would have to say he didn’t get along well with Mass democrats and that must be why he did not run for a second term. Of course that is not what Mitt is telling voters but I’ve never noticed Mitt to be honest with the voters about anything.

          • lindablue

            Romney has not paid taxes on all of his income like everyone else does. Even most small businesses pay taxes on all of their income. So why do you continue to lie about Romney’s taxes when I have gave you links to reporters who have knowledge in the tax system and says he has play a game of hide and seek with his money and his earnings. You just can not except that your candidate is just not that honest. If he wants to be my President he needs to show his whole tax form not the partial one that makes him look somewhat ______ you fill in the blank, but it’s certainly not honest with the American voter.

          • Canistercook

            Wonder why the IRS has not picked up on your false accusations. His taxes are none of your business, we have hired the IRS to take care of making sure we all pay our duly due taxes. Without proof I find wild accusations disgusting.

          • lindablue

            It’s not false and the legislature gave the rich tax dodger amnesty to bring their money back to the states. Romney as you know does not have to report money from the tax shelter countries and the IRS has no way to know how much he has hidden, but you know that already. Show the voters your whole tax return Mr. Romney. But he won’t because he is not honest, has no integrity, and you my friend should know better to trust him. He lied to become Gov. of Mass and he is lying now.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you are so far to the left you are a hopeless case!

          • lindablue

            I’d say that you are so far right you can’t see the bullshit from reality but hey you complain about the very socialist society that you cash in on. So bullshit is the only vocabulary you know.

          • Canistercook

            Try getting competitive health insurance now they have invented Medicare – it’s impossible because the insurance companies make so much money on Medicare. Everyone over 65 has to join Medicare. There is no viable alternative. I’m not complaining about it per se, I just realize that we either have to put a huge chunk of our GNP into it or jobs. I prefer that people have jobs. Our Medicare system is twice as expensive as health care in other countries. Try looking at Canada’s health care program and perhaps you will learn something!

          • lindablue

            You are not forced to use Medicare. You can go out and buy your own policy like millions of self employed do. Medicare has nothing to do with health care competitiveness. Your state legislature decides who will be allowed to sell insurance in each state and who can build hospitals and where they can build those hospitals. Not the free market your have been lead to believe it is. Now is it? I would prefer jobs also if those jobs were well paying jobs that provide a descent living with good benefits but they don’t. All we the tax payers are doing is giving corporate welfare to line the pocket of a few at the top.

          • Canistercook

            Obviously you have not done your homework or shopped for medical insurance policy for anyone over 65 recently. Wonder how we did at one time have the best standard of living in the world and how it was created?

          • lindablue

            It was created by patriotic rich guys who paid a 90% tax rate and who paid their employees a fair wage for a days work, not greedy bastards that now think they owe this country nothing for the wealth it has provided them.

          • lindablue

            As a middle aged woman I help my parents shop for their Medicare part D selection along with their supplemental policy. If you vote in Romney/Ryan you will get a voucher Medicare program and it will be expensive for all seniors not just future seniors.

          • Canistercook

            And the drug companies love you and Obama and laugh all the way to the bank.
            Competition works!

          • ps2os2

            And we can thank Bush for that. He is the one that sold the seniors a bag of SH** for drug coverage. Canada has a decent drug plan as the government has the guts to stand up to the drugs companies. Another Bush disaster. No wonder Romeny didn’t want him at the convention.

          • Canistercook

            I agree Bush sold us out to the Drug Companies and Obama has sold us out to the Insurance Companies and that us an even bigger sell out

          • ps2os2

            It is possible that you are right. A single payor system probably won’t work in the US (I don’t know) We will have to wait and see the fallout from Obamacare. I think the battle is not over (yet as to the single payor system). I sincerely hopes it works but I think with the right screaming and stamping their feet it is unlikely to work, sorry) I agree single payor system was the way to go but you you have the doctors saying “NO” and we just can’t fire the doctors like Reagan did with the ATC.

          • Canistercook

            It would work but even better would be to make your health care insurance premiums deductible on ones income tax then every worker would buy it and we would not have the unfair system we have now where some people must buy insurance with taxed money while others get their premiums paid by their employers and government tax free.

          • lindablue

            What would work better is if every business had to provide health care for their employee’s. Then they could get the tax breaks we can’t get. Yes this is a much better way to go along with allowing self employed to get tax break on purchasing their own health care plans. Wow, for years we have had a whole group of rich people getting many tax breaks the rest of us don’t get and yet you want to take away another workers health care because???? Explain to me why you are so hateful toward unions who fought for the very programs that you now benefit from, like Social Security, Medicare, paid vacations which I’m sure you took for advantage of before you retired.

          • Canistercook

            The reason health care cost is so high in our country is because government (taxpayers) and employers (unions) pays most of it. I just hate to see a country sinking into poverty as a result. Greece has woken up to the fact that German workers no longer want to prop them up and China will wake up. I don’t hate unions, I just hate to see two groups ‘union workers and government workers’ living in the I’m alright attitude while the rest of the country is no longer productive enough to afford them and their high pensions . People who pay for them and earn benefits are entitled to them and should get them. The question is should some get $5,000 a month retirement after 20 years work while many get $1200 a month after 40 years. Should someone who could but have never contributed a days work in their lifetime also get all those benefits? Sooner or later the bills will arrive and like in Greece they won’t be pretty! Apparently you believe in Communism while I believe in a well run but competitive system that asks all that are able to contribute their most efforts and those that contribute the most efforts should be rewarded. Guess you hate capitalism!

          • lindablue

            Well lets see Wal-Mart the largest employer in this country shifts the cost of health care to the states government and tax payers for their employees health care by only working their employee’s as part time workers, they also cause state food stamp programs to explode in high numbers because they refuse to hire full time help. So you see it’s not the unions that cause exploding cost of health care it is greedy corporations who shift the employers cost of health care and fair wages onto the taxpayers. So I agree that unions pay most of it and what do you think will happen to the cost of health care when the unions stop paying for the bulk of the health care bill in this country? So you blame unions for the deals that elected officials you voted into office made with hard working state workers that by the way make less than in private industry and are always the first ones to take a pay decrease in rough times for poor leadership you vote into the Government. How convenient to blame the worker instead of those that mismanaged their pensions, spent the country into bankruptcy and by the way I’ve noticed not one of them from Federal Congress to State Congress has taken a pay decrease. If we are so broke don’t you think they should give up their health care, for life pensions, and take a pay cut first?

          • Canistercook

            Love the attacks on WalMart because their workers are so happy working there they do not vote for a Union to take over. Most part time help work for fast food places so you can buy a $2 hamburger. They have busy short periods 11 to 1 and 5 to 7. I agree that all government workers should work to 65 and pay for their health care like the rest of us. Our economy has been going down hill for 20+ years and we are in worse trouble than Germany because our work ethic has also gone down. Obamacare is killing jobs – sounds nice though! Hope someone can turn things around but not too hopeful!

          • ps2os2

            Its not only WALMART. IBM used to provide health care for their people that retired NO MORE. Like I have said before there are abuses in every sector, like the airlines and oh yes don’t forget senior executives. At one time I worked for a corporation (well known) that did right by their employees, free health screenings (not free health insurance) and matching payments to health clubs and the like. Sadly they moved out of town and went to a state that has lower wages and you know they got exactly what the wanted low wages bad employees and bad management. I won’t name the company as they have had a bad name in the press for some years now. We never had an issue until the MBA’s got involved. To get back to the issue on hand company’s who treat their employees poorly get what they deserve. Walmart and to a large extent airlines are feeling the heat as they stumble from either poor stock ratings or business failure. Walmart thinks it is the BMOC but cracks are starting to show that they are as dishonest as the rest of the republicans are.

          • lindablue

            Two thumbs up. And the airlines are getting what they deserve a bad name because they wanted cheap labor and well when you get cheap labor you get the headaches that comes with it. Planes that never land on time, over worked employee’s, and low wages that don’t give employee’s the incentive to do better.

          • Canistercook

            And after Obamacare goes in we will have a lot of workers working 25 hours a week and a lot of small businesses that will close down and re-open with a new name and new employees working less than 30 hours a week.

          • ps2os2

            Oh come on get real. There will be no such thing. The repugs have forecasted doom and gloom if Obama got elected and not one repeat NOT ONE THING of the doom and gloom promises have come to past.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t hold your breath! Most people know we are in real trouble!

          • lindablue

            Well unless you count the no action Republicans being on vacation for the whole Obama Presidency.

          • lindablue

            Good we will get that Public Option sooner than later.

          • lindablue

            funny because I seen more than one small business on the news applauding Obamacare so they now can keep workers because they won’t leave their employment to find another job that offers health care.

          • lindablue

            They don’t fight for a union because they fear for their jobs? Actually Wal-Mart warehouse workers are fighting the Wal-Mart Corporation for better working conditions, apparently you have slept through that fight. Funny that the first thing that comes to your mind is unions where I discussed that Wal-Mart is shifting the cost of their workers health care on the taxpayer and that seems not to bother you at all. You just hate union workers that fight for fair pay and health care that meets the needs of their families. You hate public sector workers that fight for healthcare even though they pay into their health care plans and pensions. You hate unions but have no problem with the rich who pass their workers cost on to you the tax payer and even go so far as to defend them. Germany understands fair wages, education for all their people, and yes love their unions and defends their unions. You fight for the rich to pay workers less, shift more of the workers cost onto the tax payers, and that the only ones who deserve a great education are those who can afford to pay for it themselves. Our economy has been going down hill since the 1980’s when you bought into Reagan’s global economy.

          • lindablue

            Oh and by the way because you fight the riches battle for them. American’s has the least amount of opportunity for the next generation of any industrialized nation. This is a totally systematic problem caused by the rich and those they corrupt meaning our politicians and those they fool meaning you. Germany does not have the problems we have because the German people buy German products. Hmmm their might be a lesson in that for us.

          • Canistercook

            Fortunately for us Europe, including Germany buys 40% of our exports!

          • lindablue

            Could it be because we buy their imported products?

            Germany: $44 Billion

            Germany imported only $200 million less than the U.K. Its top imports from the states were pharmaceutical-related imports, such as drug-preparation chemicals.

          • lindablue

            Explain to me why then Wal-Mart was only hiring part time workers long before Obama was ever elected and long before Obamacare?

          • Canistercook

            Because most stores, Home Depot, Macy’s et cetera hire part time workers for their busy times, i.e. Friday nights, Saturdays etc., and have less workers Monday morning.
            Even hopsitals hire part time nurses for their busy times some hospitals hire part time doctors for their busy times, usually Saturday nights! My doctors calls it ‘Going to the
            meeting of the Rod and Gun club” when he does a Saturday night duty at the local County Hospital.

          • lindablue

            You do realize that nurses work 3, 12 hour shifts and are considered full time employee’s and get wonderful health care benefits?

          • Canistercook

            Yes, but hospitals also employ a lot of young mothers for two – 8 hour shifts a week with no benefits. I know because my relative works as a nurse. But they get $36 an hour in California.

          • lindablue

            They don’t make that kind of money where I live but they do get a state pension here.

          • lindablue

            My sister is a ward secretary at a local hospital. All the nurses on her floor works 3 12 hour shifts and get excellent health care benefits and a 401k. They are happy campers because they can get all their work done in three days and have the rest of the week to concentrate on their families. They are considered full time workers. They also get a state pension. I’m sure every state is different as to how they address their nursing staffs. The 2 8 hour shifts are called per-deim and they are in waiting for a full time position to open up.

          • ps2os2

            Hint: Because they are the only ones with jobs.
            The people that are working there only do so because they can’t get jobs elsewhere (there aren’t any). Walmart also has a very anti union stance in fact they have fired people for proposing formation of a union. AND yes we know its illegal but they are big enough to get away with it. Don’t get me wrong there have been unions formed inside WALMART but essentially they are union only in name.
            Only corporate bigwigs (honchos) get health insurance. The so called health insurance some workers have been offered has such high deductibles that it is still easier for the sick person to go to the city/county where they live to get health care. It is also well known that if even an employee gets terribly sick say with cancer and a lawsuit gets the employee some rebate on the lawsuit. WALMART then comes after the employee for anything they paid out of pocket. That is *NOT* called health insurance it is called screwing the employee two ways.

          • lindablue

            There are many jobs that offer insurance to its workers where the deductibles are so high the worker is essentially just paying into a system to pay for their big wigs insurance and never can afford to get the care they need. I’ve stated that many times before. Thank goodness for the ACA. Now these workers will finally get the health care they deserve since they pay into the system already.
            So do you think its alright that Wal-Mart shifts the cost of their workers onto the taxpayers? Most of Wal-Mart workers are single women who have children.

          • lindablue

            Wal-Mart closed the store in Canada that unionized. So if blackmailing your workers to keep them from unionizing is your idea of fair labor then you made your point. I say let every Wal-Mart in the country close our communities would be better for it. I don’t shop at China-Mart.

          • Canistercook

            Freedom! They had the right to Unionize and WalMart had the right to close. Look at your labels!

          • lindablue

            I do look at my labels. I always look before I buy even socks. You’d be surprised at how much is still made in the U.S.A. if you look. I have even gone to another store to find my brand of toothpaste made in the U.S.A. over Mexico.

          • lindablue

            Hmmm. Wonder what your health care cost would be if Union workers no longer paid for everyone else’s health care cost? It is proven that union’s could save money flying their workers to other countries for health care treatment. Maybe unions have been fighting the wrong cause. Maybe they should be fighting to be able to have their own health care systems devoid paying for yours, building thei own hospitals, hiring their own health care workers and doctors instead of fighting for you to get health care at a reasonable price.

          • Canistercook

            Ill” trade you “What I pay each month for my healthcare versus what you pay”

          • lindablue

            So do tell us all how much you pay for health care each month? Why would you fight against a Public Option that would of lowered your health care cost when the fight for ACA was going on?

          • Canistercook

            About $500 a month. I was never against the single payer system. I think it is far superior to Obamacare.

          • lindablue

            Glad to hear that your for a Public Option maybe if more people on both sides of the aisle think the way we do we can get it done.

          • Canistercook

            Guess right now I lean towards Romney since I think Obama is a ‘sheep in wolfs clothing’ At heart I think he is a very left wing socialist even verging on a communist. Like most politicians he knows how to sell himself to us. I do not buy the entire Republican ticket but feel the economy is what is important right now and whoever gets the White House will have a huge task. We need someone with leadership, experience and the desire to get back on our feet. I am not thrilled with Romney but feel out of the two he is the best choice. They all sell us a bag of goods to get elected and promise everyone everything. Obama is buying the Unions, especially the government unions, the blacks, the Hispanics and the single mothers. Romney is buying the rich, the Corporations, the married taxpayers and people like me that feel Obama is not a leader and is so far to the left that we will end up another USSR. We have to choose between the Corporate world or the union world. We only have a l;eft and right to choose from. Both have their value but a balance of power is necessary so neither goes overboard. I watched the U.K. go down hill when the Unions got too powerful and were on strike all the time. They are fortunate now they have a coalition government which is very good.
            Only time will tell us who made the right choice.

          • lindablue

            Wow you do understand that Obama has turned the titanic around that we like to think of as the economy and that we are actually doing much better than economist thought we would be doing with that pittance of a stimulus package the Republicans insisted on. I would call 5 million private sector job growth a damn good start, especially considering he did it all without Republicans help. Just imagine where our economy would be at with the help of the Republican party. Just please tell me what Romney’s plan is. I’ve not heard on word on what he would do to get people back to work.

          • Canistercook

            Just wait and read the news and facts after the election is over and what we will need to deal with.

          • lindablue

            All the economist that were not paid by Republican think tanks said we needed a bigger stimulus package when Obama asked for stimulus funding. Your complaining about problems the Republicans caused. trust me after seeing how the Republicans govern or lack there of the only ones who can clean up their messes is the Democrats. Democrats always clean up after the Republican created messes.

          • Canistercook

            Guess it depends on whether you think we can ‘buy’ our way out of this recession or work our way. So far its been all buying!

          • lindablue

            Well how do you suggest we work our way out a the recession when the Private Equity Firms are sending all good paying jobs we depend on to China. Not to mention Reagan spent out way out of the recession of the 1980’s, Clinton spent our way out of the recession of the 1990’s and Yes my friend Kensian economics work.

          • Canistercook

            Compete and work harder. Under Clinton and Bush we had balloon economics and the balloon busted. It’s time to look at really why. A house for everyone, a car for everyone that many could not afford and did not work for. There’s a lot of blame to go around. Clinton, Bush, Barney Frank and the banking people profiting running Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. But blame won’t solve the problem it’s time to change the system, and get back to sensible lending practices that are not guaranteed by the taxpayer. Unfortunately we are still not doing that and could end up with a depression instead of a recession. Hope we don’t become another Zimbabwe where it took $1000 to buy a loaf of bread and signs in their supermarket said “if you don’t see what you want please ask’ while the shelves were empty.

          • lindablue

            What kind of economics do you think we will have under Romney? Vulture economics.

          • Canistercook

            Sensible economics!

          • lindablue

            I agree that capitalism is not working but it’s no wonder when there is absolutely no competition. We have a monopolized market system in which our government gives them a bunch of Corporate Welfare and then offers them big tax breaks to move our jobs overseas and their money off shore. Nothing about our economy is working except for a few rich guys. It will take a generation or longer to untangle the web that the rich has bought. Works for them but not for the workers or the government.

          • Canistercook

            We MUST learn to compete in this world or we will fail. Reasonable controls are needed on Corporations and Unions but you can’t KEEP jobs here and manufacture products that you can’t sell to other countries when they cost too much and a great deal of what our workers and corporations manufactured in the past was exported. That is what in the past supported our high standard of living. Sure we have big rich farmers that farm mega farms and so did Zimbabwe, but they broke up their farms forced the white farmers to leave, parceled out the farms to blacks and now the country is devastatedly poor. Go into a supermarket there and you will see rows of empty shelves. The white farmers have moved back to Germany and Australia. They found no point in working there when what they earned was confiscated. There has to be balance and right now we are heading in the same direction as Zimbabwe with the lean towards more government running everything with more overpaid over-pensioned government workers. Obama thinks ‘government’ programs can solve the countries problems’. Government does not produce or earn money it only collects it and spends it after the workers and corporations earn it. Reasonable controls and reasonable taxation are needed but the brainwashing of many with the idea that all rich are evil has become the mantra today in much of America. There has always been successful people and unsuccessful people like professional ball players and TV stars but jealousy is not the answer for the majority of us. The answer is a balanced productive society and this takes investors with money and ideas who invest in our productivity and ability to compete. A well run capitalistic system will beat a communistic system any day because by our very nature we all look for rewards for our work and effort.

          • lindablue

            So please tell me how we will ever compete with those countries who subsidize their industry using slave labor, fenced and locked in factories and build factories for Private Equity Firms to ship our jobs to their country. Are you willing to stop receiving Social Security and Medicare so our country can afford to totally subsidize job creators? You tell me what are you willing to do without to further the riches of the likes of Mitt Romney and Bain.

          • Canistercook

            Their ‘slaves’ are moving up their living standards fast! Wages in Europe for example are higher than ours but Unions are driving their production to Asia where wages are sometimes lower. Japan has a pretty high standard of living and lovely bullet trains!

          • lindablue

            That we paid for after WWII and idiots in America buying their cars instead of supporting their own industrial base/car industry. Have you ever worked in a factory?

          • Canistercook

            And the Russians at Stalingrad paid with a million lives. Who knows what kind of world we would have today if Hitler ruled the German Empire!

          • lindablue

            Who care what the world would be like if Hitler were not crushed. He was and that is our history. So your all for white supremacy?

          • Canistercook

            No I’m for intelligent supremacy and civilized supremacy. I don’t want a jungle atmosphere where people are afraid to go out at night and walk like in some cities in Africa and Detroit.

          • lindablue

            Well we would have more intelligent people if all schools were funded equally.

          • Canistercook

            Intelligence cannot be purchased. Steve Jobs never graduated from college. Most smart people learn a lot with 10 to 12 years of schooling but the world is loaded with education, one just has to want to absorb it.

          • lindablue

            You have to learn to read and do basic math first to continue learning on your own. All the testing says that 5th and 7th graders are behind international standards.

          • Canistercook

            Wonder why when our teachers are paid almost double the pay in most other countries? Could it be that they only have an 8 month school year versus an 11 month one in many countries, or they spend time coloring pumpkins instead of learning reading, writing and arithmetic? All my children graduated with honors from college, but I had to help them and check out and make sure they had good teachers. Good parenting makes a lot of difference to a child.

          • lindablue

            I don’t have a problem with teachers working longer school years. I do have a problem with your thinking when it comes to coloring pumpkins, the arts actually keeps children interested in school and also many children that do as well in other area’s of schooling actually excel at music and arts. So lets not get our education down to just the basics we are better than that are we not? Maybe if parents weren’t working two or three part time jobs to keep a roof over their families head they would have the time to parent. Let’s not forget why parents are forced to work so many jobs. Can we be honest? It low pay.

          • Canistercook

            When I was young we waited until we could afford a roof and food before we started a family. Birds build nests before they lay eggs or their young would die!

          • lindablue

            Funny because when you were young when young ladies were impregnated by their boyfriend’s they disappeared until after they had the child to a distant relives home so no one was the wiser and the mans family took no responsibility for their son’s actions. Funny how easy it is to forget these problems have always existed and we the tax payer have always paid for these children the difference is we paid for the children to be in orphanages state run institutions or church run institutions that the states funded with our tax dollars, which is still alive and going strong in most southern states. So lets quite bing dishonest with yourself because the rest of us know the reality of the world. You just choose to put your head in the sand and pretend like life was different. Well it wasn’t.

          • Canistercook

            Existed yes – getting worse – yes. With almost 90% of some minority children in fatherless homes it is a disaster waiting to happen.

          • lindablue

            Well you have a good point. Maybe if we took the time to educate minorities instead of imprisoning them they would be around to take care of their children. Don’t blame them for our countries priorities being in the interest of the for profit prisons instead of putting the money into equally funding our schools.

          • Canistercook

            We sure have been trying for about 20+ years. Most Europeans seem to get educated and Asians do very well so not all minority people fall behind.

          • lindablue

            The Asians do well because we built up their industrial economy while allowing our to fall behind and they were bright enough to invest in their people. Unlike us who never equalizes our education system and always allowing those who do the best get the best education. Europe has equalized education systems in most countries. They don’t give the rural areas crumbs to live off they educate every one equally. We could certainly learn a few things from countries who have been governing 5000 more years than we have.

          • Canistercook

            Yes but in Europe, France and U.K. they still have a disproportion of minority students that drop out of school early. Parenting is the answer not teachers. 15 year olds do not make for stable parenting.

          • lindablue

            Well we have a 50% drop out rate in our country so we have nothing to brag about. And again I say parents could be home with children if they weren’t working 3 jobs to put a roof over their families heads because there are only lowing paying non livable waged jobs out there.

          • ps2os2

            OK we have come full circle in the argument. Everything you suggest costs money and yet you are unwilling for government to come in. What do we do with these people and how do we pay for them?

          • Canistercook

            We don’t. Perhaps then they will make some effort. A belly filled lion will not hunt. Necessity is the mother of invention. It is easy to create life – and fun – but takes work to support it. We have developed a large number of individuals who are procreating irresponsibly and eventually will destroy a civil community. We also need to put our money where it will do the most good which is why I support heartedly “planned parenthood’ abortion and offering birth control free to high schoolers unlike many far rightists. In place of Obamacare I would require all premiums to be paid by the individual and be deductible from taxable income. I would open clinics and well baby clinics in poor areas and dispense free birth control. I am not a far right winger, I just believe we cannot go as far to the left as we are heading now with Union, government workers and welfare groups controlling out society. I only have two choices and I think continuing to the far left will reduce our country to third world status so since I think actually Romney will revert more to the middle if elected I choose him. I believe Obama is far left but conning people to believe he is not.

          • ps2os2

            You might support PP but what about the tea party nut cakes who want to de-fund it?
            The only was short of mandatory abortion is to snip the guys and to allow sterilization of the females. This won’t happen . Next option please, oh you want to put them in jail and how many jails are you going to create for the people. Pretty soon you will have 50 million people in jail and have to employ 20 million to guard them. And who is going to pay for that? Oh you want to ship them to some other country? The supreme court won’t allow it and who will pay for the transport? … Details with no solution is what I hear except bitching.

          • Canistercook

            The Chinese recognize the problem of overpopulation but Americans both sides of the aisle don’t. One side wants to de-fund Planned Parenthood and stop Abortion while the other side encourages more welfare programs for irresponsible reproducers. Fortunately Romney showed as Governor of Mass that he did not participate in either of these silly programs while he was good at improving the economy of the State and bringing the deficit under control. Without a good economy we all go downhill! The Tea party like the Democratic Party and every party has a few nut cakes. The way we are going though if our murder and crime level continues to increase we may end up with labor camps as we can’t afford to hire more prison guards at $100,000 a year with $100,000 a year pensions at 55.

          • lindablue

            Again you make statement with no facts. Actually liberals have always had a concern about our population growing and has always pushed for contraception’s to help stop population growth.

          • Canistercook

            I agree and so do most Republications. Neither party is all right but what is important right now is the Economy, not to be or not to be abortion or gay marriage.

          • lindablue

            Your right the economy is important now and has been so where has the Republicans been? They hold the House and yet their only jobs bill would have cost this country 750,000 jobs.

          • ps2os2

            Probably to be more precise the Catholic church has been against *ANY* type or pregnancy prevention. Some conservative Protestant are similarly inclined. I never went to church so I can’t tell you what the Lutheran line is. My family had as a friend a catholic family and if I remember correctly they had 5 kids. I know my mother didn’t like the number of kids.

          • lindablue

            My best friend is Catholic, as am I. My mother had 5 children and my best friends mother had nine. My husbands mother comes from a family of 13 and each of her siblings had large families. So I can tell you there are conservative Catholics like Bishop Dolan of N.Y. and there are progressive Catholics like Sister Simone Campbell. The reasons they believe in no contraception is to fill the church pews and not for reason’s of faith but to fill the donation coffers. No true believer would allow a woman to die to save the life of an unborn child. Most Catholic woman use birth control and don’t listen to the churches doctrine of no birth control. I myself left the church over the birth control issue years ago when I was still young. I loved my faith but hated the old hierarchy that rules the church, the are centuries outdated and have not grown with the times. Many Catholics have left sorry to say.

          • lindablue

            The question is then why would you support a candidate and a Party that does not support PP, abortion, contraception? Who also destroyed our economy and have no solutions to any of the problems you say are important to you?

          • Canistercook

            What do they have to do with having enough to eat. It’s the economy stupid. That is really what the next election should be about Neither is actually threatening to change abortion or contraception. That is just something thrown out there by the left and right wings to buy votes from stupid persons and right wing evangelists..

          • lindablue

            Duh, that was what 2010 Election was about… jobs and did the Republicans provide any? No. Obama had to do it on his own.

          • Canistercook

            By doing away with the about 50% of unnecessary government jobs. Not allowing newly arrived undocumented children to enter our education system (we will need less teachers). Cutting the cost of healthcare and drugs to a reasonable cost. Restricting low interest school loans to those students making good use of them that will benefit society. Asking people to eat less so we have less diabetics and knee replacements to pay for. Not keeping elderly on life support when any real recovery is hopeless. Graduating less lawyers so business is not wasting so much money on law suits that get passed on to the consumers. Plenty of ways can be found!

          • lindablue

            Laughing. These are nice thoughts but totally unrealistic. The idea that we would reduce school loans will only make us less competitive, it is the Republicans that stop education on eating habits that could help people make better food choices, and when you get old people get sick. So we should just let them suffer?

          • Canistercook

            Not if the loans were made to serious performing students only.

          • lindablue

            Sorry but a lot of students who don’t do well in high school do very well in college because colleges offer tutoring most high schools do not. Only offering student loans to those that do well in high school leave a lot of people behind don’t you agree? That does not make our country competitive now does it. Please quit thinking so small. Trickle down economy doesn’t work but trickle up education does.

          • lindablue

            Great response to Canistercook. He complains about all the same social problems we all know exist and yet still he thinks that we have no place for government. Duh.

          • ps2os2

            I would take exception to your statement. I do NOT want my tax dollars going to any Catholic or religious school PERIOD.

          • lindablue

            I agree I was talking about public schools.

          • lindablue

            Then why do you vote for the Party that is for a jungle mentality?

          • ps2os2

            Enough is a enough. The Daley show had a good 3 minute item (watch it on YOUTUBE) on Bain. The opening of the item was Romney saying the government should not be investing in companies like the one in CA that went bankrupt. Then there was a cut away showing that in 8 years BAIN had 22 percent of the companies they invested in went bankrupt and then a comparison of the 5 percent(that went bankrupt) that the US invested in. Tells us again how we should emulate Romney?

          • lindablue

            Hell every business Romney has done a visit to telling us how wonderful business is has taken government help. American Spring got &689.000 Stimulus dollars. The guy just lied to the people of Toledo when he was their telling them that Jeep who is now owned by some Italians was moving to China. Their spokesman had to come out and reassure the workers that Jeep has no plans to move their jobs to China. It’s only businesses that Romney get involved in that moves jobs to China. What a piece of work he is.

          • ps2os2

            SIgh… I used to live in Toledo (please excuse the use of Toledo as an example) However to my credit I have not lived there in 40+ years. If anyone remembers “Joe The Plumber” was from Toledo so you cab see some of the mentality that originates there.

          • lindablue

            Yeah my dad worked in Toledo for many years so I know their mentality. Although I must say their mentality is much better than the other side of Ohio’s is.

          • lindablue

            I think your responding to the wrong person I’m the one fighting the lies Romney and the Republicans spin.

          • ps2os2

            Yes you are correct but the comment was meant to be to the repug who is purposely throwing the tread hopelessly off skew.

          • lindablue

            I thought is was meant for him butt had to ask. I know sometimes threads end up in other peoples comment area. And yes he does if it doesn’t fit into his Republican spin everyone else’s thinking is wrong. Fairness has no place in his little world yet he is not willing to give up anything he has worked all his life for. Other’s don’t deserve what he has.

          • lindablue

            Shit the government invests in all Bain’s profiteering usually cleaning up the pensions of the workers Bain leaves behind. Bain counts on government Welfare to make profits.

          • ps2os2

            WTF ????

          • lindablue

            What about my statement don’t you understand? Oh I know the truth in my statement.

          • ps2os2

            That is true. But do you want to trade places? Japan has a very rigid society and there is no room to wiggle. The wages are tightly controlled and there is very little room to turn. The bullet train may go 180MPH but when you are cramped like sardines so what?

          • Canistercook

            I had a delightful ride on a bullet train from Tokyo to Osaka. They sold lovely lunch boxes, the seat were comfortable and roomy. I certainly did not feel like a sardine. Don’t know where you get your facts since you reserve a seat when you buy your ticket.

          • lindablue

            What the hell good is a bullet train when their dying from radiation exposer from the Nuclear meltdown of the power plants it takes to run the bullet trains. Again business selling the country a bill of goods that destroyed their environment and the people pay the price. We could have bullet trains here if congress wasn’t so broken.

          • Canistercook

            A hell of a lot of good, it helps them get around fast and not waste time so they can have jobs. And they and the world learned a lot from that meltdown. France get all its energy from Nuclear and has never had a problem. Guess you don’t know how many men have died in coal mines! They will build on that knowledge. There is no free lunch. Coal, gas, gasoline. nuclear all have problems to deal with. And trouble is our Union backed Governor Brown wants to build a high speed train to nowhere. and is trying to raise taxes to pay for it. At lease Japan’s trains go to cities!

          • lindablue

            Germany has shut down all their Nuclear power plants since Japan’s meltdown seems they don’t think the risk is worth it. Nuclear is also very expensive energy. Building high speed rail will open up area’s in California that currently has no growth. Just like when the government puts in a highway the next thing you know growth is happening near that highway. Isn’t it going between San Francisco and Los Angles or is it between Las Vegas Nevada and San Francisco?

          • Canistercook

            No. Germany has shut down some of the older plants that may be unsafe. France has not shut any down. A high speed train in the valley will grow turnips perhaps! One from San Francisco to LA might have done something.

          • lindablue

            All of Germany’s Nuclear plants we be closed by 2012. They are switching over completely to renewable energy. Please do your homework and quite making false statements.

          • Canistercook

            The Japanese just awarded a 800,000 million pound contract to the U.K. to build them a new safe one. It will create 12,000 jobs in the U.K. Japan realizes that in spite of its problems nuclear energy is a necessity. There is no free lunch! No manufacturing country in the world can survive and have a decent standard of living so far on ‘renewable’ energy. When the sun shines or the wind blows its great to use it but impossible to store like coal, gas and gasoline. That’s why gasoline is getting so expensive, China and India are buying it. Sounds like you need a new school!

          • lindablue

            What does Japan have to do with what Germany is doing? I did not say that Japan was doing away with it’s Nuclear Power Plants I said Germany was and they are. Japan is very dependent on Nuclear Power because they have a large population on a small Island. They don’t have a lot of choices when it comes to their power they are already deeply indebted to the Nuclear industry. Sweden does and other European countries are using renewable energy because they want to be less dependent on oil knowing full well that as other countries become more dependent on oil the price will continue to rise beyond their ability to pay for it. If we don’t figure that out and soon it will become beyond our ability to pay for it.

          • Canistercook

            Renewable energy is important but no country has yet made it anywhere near supplying much more than 10% of their needed energy, except Iceland that has numerous hot springs. Furthermore all renewable energy costs more than gas, coal or nuclear and would make us even less competitive in world markets. This would lead to more unemployment. Hopefully technology will improve but it will be slow. All countries want to be less dependent on oil but realize that dream is still a long way off. Germany buys a lot of its energy from France with surplus nuclear power!

          • lindablue

            Do you know that by 2020 Africa will use mostly solar for their lighting in each home? It is a growing industry because every country but ours realizes as China and India grows we will all soon be unable to afford the price of oil.

          • Canistercook

            Yes because most of Africa has no grid system so it will be great for them. Those that can afford a solar panel will buy one. They also use cell phones since in much of Africa there is no other phone system, also great for them. We will switch gradually to gas!

          • lindablue

            It’s not even a solar panel that they will be using it’s a light fixture that will be used. Remember most Africans still live in huts.

          • Canistercook

            The solar panel will light the light fixture! Most black South Africans live in houses!

          • lindablue

            I never said that it was South Africa that was turning Solar I said that Africa was beating us on solar and plan to have ever house in Africa using Solar by 2020. And yes they will be using a solar light fixture.

          • Canistercook

            When you have nothing else of course a solar panel is your aswer

          • lindablue

            The state is not paying for all of the high speed rail way the federal government is picking up the largest share of the cost. Yeah too bad you left Arnie in for so long maybe your state could afford it without raising taxes. But hey you could always move to Arizona where the tax base is next to nothing and so is government services for it’s people.

          • Canistercook

            True and the reason the Feds are spending this money on a stupid useless product is it will create UNION jobs.

          • lindablue

            Idiot the Federal Government pays for the majority of all transportation cost. Thank goodness for the Federal Government using unions to do the work.

          • Canistercook

            The Federal government has no money and pays for nothing. Our ‘rich’ citizens pays for most of it and thank goodness we still have some.

          • lindablue

            That is laughable since the bulk of their money is in off shore accounts.

          • Canistercook

            In your wild dreams. They are beginning to wish it was off shore and thinking about putting it there!

          • lindablue

            Again please do try to open your eyes. Just because you say it isn’t so doesn’t make it any less so.

          • Canistercook

            Must admit a friend called me recently and said he wants to put his money off shore and another wants to sell his property and take money off shore. The are all scared to hell to keep their hard earned savings in Obama’s America.

          • lindablue

            Hey I think all those unions should take their pensions off shore so they actually get their pension when they retire.

          • Canistercook

            There pensions are already invested in companies like General Motors and Ford, both of which have off-shore manufacturing plants and bank accounts.For example Proctor & Gamble is an American company and produces and sells products all over Europe. Lever Bros is a U.K. Company and they manufacture in the U.S and overseas. and sell their products here and all over Europe. Most U.S. Companies are trying to make inroads into Asia, especially China since it represents a huge future market. The little people have been brainwashed to think Romney was evil because he produced some products off shore but most big US companies that hope to survive produce off shore as do many foreign companies produce over here if it is financially feasible.

          • lindablue

            Lets not forget Proctor & Gambles, G.E., Caterpillar, Bain Capital, Solamere Capital, the list goes on and on. Good the U.S. Market won’t miss their money then.

          • Canistercook

            You must be kidding. My IRA would sure miss some of them!

          • lindablue

            Well then we should be fighting to get that money back here and for them to taxed as we are.

          • Canistercook

            And then they would not buy our products. California tomatoes in Sweden and Japan etc.

          • lindablue

            I think American have waken up. There is a reason that G.M. is back on top and repatriating their money back into America. Not to mention their products.

          • lindablue

            Well if your friends are anything like you I’m sure they are hypocrites too whining about the government they have to pay for while their hand is out using government programs.

          • Canistercook

            Guess I have a lot to learn about the ‘Rich’. They are not the Bill Gates who funds big charities in Africa, Ophra who fiances schools in Africa, nor Stanford and the likes that built universities throughout America, nor the Romney’s that donates big to Latter Day Saints charities for the poor and unemployed. I didn’t know they were all such selfish SOB’s that didn’t give a hoot about America! Since the rich pay 60%+ of the taxes I wonder who does pay for the deficit in funding for Social Security, Welfare, child support, Medicaid, and all the Government payroll pensions and benefits. Must be that the unemployed and welfare group are paying the bills! I guess I should stop sending my monthly checks to my charities as it sounds like they are not appreciated by the masses that thinks that everyone with a little money parks it off shore, dodges taxes, is raised with a silver spoon and is cheating ‘hard working’ union workers. Guess it’s not ‘fair’ for anyone to get ahead in this world even if they work hard.

          • ps2os2

            You have a lot to learn about the Mormons. Yes some of the tithe goes to the poor but I suggest that more goes advancement of Mormonism (ie the group that included Mitt that went to France to try and convert French people). There is no way of knowing the percent that goes to poor people as the books are closed and any guesses are probably not to close.

            One of the issues with religious (not just with Mormons) people is the line blurs on what goes where. I am not suggesting “evil” but the lines blur.

            Not to take away from Mormons but they have the same issue as other religions they will only help the people that they think will bring people to Mormonism. That excludes a lot of the community. When was the last time you saw a black Mormon?

          • lindablue

            Your really are foolish if you think their donations go to the poor. They got 504 © 3’s that go to political campaigns only. If you hadn’t notice they have bought every election in every state and people are going with out food and needed medical attention. Maybe you should get out of your gated community and take a drive to your town square. notice the empty building that used to provide jobs? Then take a drive over to your industrial section of town, notice the empty factories that used to provide jobs? Where did those jobs go? Look no further than vulture capitalism. Can your church afford an extra $50,000 a year to help the poor in your community? I guess we are about to find out if your guy Romney gets in. You do know don’t you that churches look to the community to provide the food that they feed the poor with. Well those in the community know longer have jobs to provide that food to the churches and the churches are stretched thin in their giving. Please do try and open your eyes.

          • Canistercook

            YOU ARE EDUCATING ME AT LEAST INTO HOW MISINFORMED SOME PEOPLE ARE. I do not belong to any church but I contribute monthly to the Salvation Army (I have seen the great work their volunteers do for the poor and needy) and Doctors without Borders, who volunteer to provide medical care in countries that cannot provide it. They did a great job in Haiti but their transport jet carrying a field hospital was re-directed and had to land and be trucked across many miles from a distant airport because Clinton was landing on the only airstrip in the capital still usable so he could ‘tour’ the devastation! They needed more than a tourist! There are none so blind as those who fail to open their eyes to how much propaganda is being fed to them. I respect every persons right to their religion and to help their fellow man and I do not discriminate. My Silicon valley industrialists by the way, all non-union, are thriving by the way!

          • lindablue

            Oh yes the Salvation Army does wonderful work if you don’t mind sitting through a sermon to get that help. Doctors without Borders do a great job in our country too since we have 14 million people who have no health insurance at all. That’s the cost that Wal-Mart and companies like them shift to you and me. Doctors without Borders never can serve all the people that line up days in advance of their arrival. Funny because of Clinton Haiti got more help than they would of without the Clinton Foundations help. Funny thing I have not heard of what kind of help George Walker Bush gave them other than the commercial he did with Clinton begging us to help them. Do you?

          • ps2os2

            You really want to go there with the Salvation Army do you?
            If you really want to here are one or two tidbits that should make you think otherwise.
            Salvation Army is essentially an organization that goes around proselytizing to people and to change there ways and you convert to “God is right Christianity”. They make people listen to sermons about their God. if that is bad enough they do discriminate against gay people. Thats right they discriminate against gay people. You say you don’t care thats one minority that shouldn’t be there in the first place, OK then when how about when they discriminate against other minorities. Hint how many black people do you see working for the Salvation Army? Ok.. not many right how many black Officer’s in the Salvation Army are there (or that you can see with your own eyes). We have a Officers training facility in the neighborhood and I can’t tell you when I have never seen black officer in training (and I have been here for 40 years).
            Putting it plainly do you really want to give money to a group that discriminates against minorities? Hint the Mormons have the same problem.

          • Canistercook

            95% of the salvation army workers are volunteers and all including blacks and gays are welcome to volunteer. They do not discriminate except to avail yourself of their services you must be sober and not drugged out when you arrive at their door! Since they are all volunteers I wonder how many blacks volunteer? I don’t know!

          • ps2os2

            I am sure you think that way. But you are incorrect.

          • Canistercook

            Write and ask for the information – they have an office in New York although they volunteer worldwide. They will provide it to you. Bigots I guess like to believe that everyone except themselves discriminate. I have a friend who is a volunteer and they are one of the most respected religious groups in the world.

          • lindablue

            Kind of funny you don’t see black people working at and for the Salvation Army since according too you black need to be trained to work and learn how to take care of their families. IF the Salvation Army is all that you say it is would they not have a majority of black workers? Either that or the black people are doing a great job of taking care of their business.

          • Canistercook

            I don’t know how many Black volunteers they have. I assume many in Africa and Haiti that work along side whites to solve problems. I don’t think most of their volunteers are concerned about skin color, just about helping people who need help. Most volunteers are good people, black or white.

          • lindablue

            Excuse me but you do know that all of Haiti is black don’t you?

          • Canistercook

            Wrong again. A small white population and a lot of half French half black remain in Haiti. The majority are black and the Salvation Army has volunteers, many black there. The U.S. drove the French out of Haiti and they have gone downhill ever since. Too bad. Perhaps the French should come back!

          • lindablue

            The majority is still black so don’t tell me I’m wrong. Where were all those white people when the camera were on? Well what else would they have in Haiti but black volunteers? So they hire Blacks in Haiti because that is the majority of the population but they don’t here when the black population has a 17% unemployment rate, right?

          • Canistercook

            Have you ever seriously thought about why the unemployment rate is high among some groups. Asians have a very low rate.

          • lindablue

            Yes I have seriously thought about why unemployment rate is high among some groups it’s because we don’t equally find all schools. You think that in a lot of rural areas there is not high unemployment among whites you would be wrong. Asians have gangs to you know?

          • ps2os2

            OK now I have to interject here. My first hand knowledge is 20 years old but from what I have been told it hasn’t changed a whole lot in the time.

            When I was in Haiti in the early 1990’s there was a small but a lot more than 1000 white people who lived there . I can’t say for sure as I didn’t count as I went. Whites were a minority mind you and after a fashion the country did sort of work (far from perfect) but any disaster was a sore waiting to erupt.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t think I ever singled out black people for ‘training’. Think you did! Also I never singled out a person’s religion – you did! Some blacks and some whites are honest and competent, others are not.

          • lindablue

            You said that the Salvation Army does not discriminate. I said then why don’t we see blacks working for them since blacks have the highest unemployment rate in the country. And yes I did say that the Salvation Army does not serve anyone who they can not push their religion on. Because it’s true. Just go down on skid row in your city and watch them do their work.

          • Canistercook

            They have very few paid workers. Visit their store and you will see the make up of their paid workers there. A black guy drives the truck that picked up my bag of clothing.

          • lindablue

            I highly doubt the black guy drives their truck more likely he was sent to your door while the driver sat in the truck.

          • lindablue

            Yes rich liberals are a wonderful Breed just ask Ted Turner who used his influence to get the rich to start letting go of their fortunes for the good of the people in the world. Thank you Ted for showing them the way. Now what to do with those funky Republican that just use their riches to influence our elections. Bad Republicans who start 504’s that buy our elections. Dirt bags is what they are.

          • Canistercook

            Guess I’m talking to a dead horse – hopeless but fun!

          • lindablue

            Glad I amuse you. Truth often is quite amusing.

          • lindablue

            Well the one thing you can say about nuclear power is when there is a problem its always a big problem and every country will have that big problem sooner than later because they always keep and run nuclear power plants well past their date of expiration because they are so expensive to build in the first place.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you are not old enough to remember how many men died deep mining coal in mines. There is no free lunch.

          • lindablue

            I guess you forgot 38 miners were killed at Finley Coal Company’s No. … in 2011. I think I do remember that many miners have and do die in coal mines. I think coal mining is one of the unsafest jobs in this nation when done in non-union mine.

          • Canistercook

            Union or non union does not make the difference.

          • ps2os2

            LindaBlue:

            The bigger expenditure is decommissioning of one and what to do with the waste (radioactive) right now the US has it in temporary places. We can’t figure out to do with it.

          • lindablue

            I think you mean the temporary places the really means the permanent waste sites. The radioactive material does not ship well and no state government wants to let it be hauled through their state to get to Nevada.

          • ps2os2

            Here we get into semantics. Right now most nuclear waste materials are in temporary place(s) as we have no permanent sites (no state wants them). The barrels that it is in are at best temporary vessels as even most of those are rusting apart.
            I don’t claim to have an answer and there is no one in government willing to take this on (I don’t blame them). Probably the safest place is UTAH and drill down a couple of miles. Heck let the Mormons prey it away.

          • lindablue

            Nevada, Utah it’s all the same those barrels of waste will sit where they are until they cause a problem and must be cleaned up because no Governor is going to let some truck or train go through their state with nuclear waste they don’t want to risk harm to their people or environment. Laughing at your last statement.

          • lindablue

            I agree. That’s why we shouldn’t of never built nuclear power plant to begin with. We new nuclear power had lots of problems we didn’t have answers for. Of course they said we would have the answers by the time we needed to do something with the waste, that science would catch up. Of course our country never put the money into solving the problem either. Same goes with Fracking for gas. We don’t know what chemicals are being used to frack. We do know that fracking causes water well near the fracking sites to become unusable and yet we continue to allow it. We are making the poorest of choices for energy of any country but of course we are also the largest user of energy so I guess we will continue to make poor choices.

          • ps2os2

            Here is a news item that pertains to the the discussion at had (from Japan no less).

            A government audit has found that money from a $150 billion fund intended for reconstruction following the deadly 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan has been “misspent” on unrelated projects. The audit found that money has been redirected to certain projects on the assumption that they might help an economic revival, leaving some devastated areas without help. The deputy mayor of one town said that “not one single new building” has been built in the downtown area. “In 19 months, there have basically been no major changes,” he said. Money has instead gone to projects like roads in Okinawa, an ad campaign for Japan’s tallest building, and whaling research.

          • lindablue

            Surprise Japan is spending the money on businesses in their country rather than to rebuild their country. I guess they really are no different than we are. Corporate welfare is a worldwide problem.

          • lindablue

            It’s not true it’s not unions that destroy jobs it’s greedy CEO’s and the CEO’s that destroy the company still walks off with a good share of cash after he destroyed the business.

          • ps2os2

            That is one of the big differences in Japan and the US. A head of the company doesn’t quit every few years. He is also expect to be awarded when the company does well and take the blame when it doesn’t. There are no scape goats in Japan. The Japan boss takes the blame full on. He even may lose money. The CEO’s here in the US are a dime a dozen and are looked down at by Japan.

          • lindablue

            To tell you the truth I can’t understand our societies mentality when it comes to CEO’s except to say it’s not what you know it’s who you know. The CEO’s here should also have to take the hit when they destroy a company and that money that would have gone to the CEO you go to the workers who jobs they destroyed.

          • lindablue

            It’s not true it’s not unions that destroy jobs it’s greedy CEO’s and the CEO’s that destroy the company still walks off with a good share of cash after he destroyed the business.

          • lindablue

            You can’t keep jobs here when you allow Private Equity Firms to buy good businesses and destroy them while also allowing them to take their profits off shore. They are cheating our country out of jobs and much need tax dollars. What are you willing to give up so they can continue to destroy our countries economy? Are you willing to give up your Social Security and Medicare so they can continue to steal America from us?

          • Canistercook

            Romney took over something that was failing and going to close down completely. He closed and moved the unprofitable part to somewhere profitable and kept ones like Staples and Bain so those employees would not become unemployed. You like Obama are zeroing in on the unprofitable closures instead of the ones it enabled him to keep open in the US. Furthermore he spends the profit he made on his children, church and grand children in the USA!

          • lindablue

            Bull shit Romney has taken over many good businesses and destroyed them.

          • Canistercook

            He has – can you name them other than Bain! Bain is thriving by the way! That is more than one can say of Solyndra!

          • lindablue

            Named them above in another response. By the way he didn’t take over Bain he started Bain with the help of daddies friend.

          • Canistercook

            Good parents come in handy!

          • lindablue

            Yes good parenting does come in handy when you can afford for a parent to stay home with the children. How many families do you know that can afford to have one parent stay at home with their children?

          • Canistercook

            All my daughter I laws work as well as their husbands and their children are doing very well in school and at home!

          • lindablue

            What are the working hours of your family members? Do they work 9 to 5 jobs where they are at home in the evenings to help their children do their homework? Do you and your wife live close enough to help them if they don’t work 9 to 5 jobs? These are the social issues that keep children from learning. If their parents jobs hours are not conducive to allow them to help their children do their homework then children will not do as well in school. If the parents are not well educated then they can not help their children do well in school. We all know the issues so lets stop pretending that these children do not have hurdles to overcome.

          • Canistercook

            One is a nurse and works night shifts or Saturdays or Sundays when her husband can watch the children.

          • lindablue

            So do you and your wife help with with their day care needs? It does matter if you can afford a great day care center vs. a mediocre one. It matters if a grandparent is involved in day care. It matters if a child is a latch key child. Oh yes we have many problems in this country and very few solutions for our children’s well being. It matters if schools offer after school programs.

          • Canistercook

            No. They solve their own day care problem by getting hours that one or the other is home to care for their children. Government pays for a lot of child care.

          • lindablue

            How lucky for them. That is not how the real world works. People who work, work the hours their employer tells them to work. I guess you have forgotten sitting at home living off those big SS checks. Sarcasm.

          • Canistercook

            Big $945 a month SS checks!

          • lindablue

            You must of retired early or are on SSI if your only getting $945.00 a month. Again sarcasm.

          • Canistercook

            No that represents the result of working and paying in for 30+ years.

          • lindablue

            Yes but you did say your daughter in-law works weekends which means they are home during the week when their children comes home from school. Most parent do not have this luxury.

          • Canistercook

            Most stores are screaming for more help Saturday and Sundays!

          • lindablue

            So you think a parent should give up their jobs and go work for a store on the week-end? Well many already work for Wal-Mart and they don’t get to pick what days they work. wal-Mart tells them what days they will work.

          • Canistercook

            No – they should just find a way to earn a living and support those they bring into the world.

          • lindablue

            Well sometimes supporting the children you bring into the world and working to support them does not allow parents the time to help with homework I’m sure you can understand the position most parents find themselves in when it comes to caring for their children financially and having the schedules to help them with homework. So lets quit pretending you don’t understand.

          • ps2os2

            Also times and circumstances change.
            For instance you might have had a job at say Jeep and they decided to outsource the factory to say China. You have designed your family life around a steady paycheck and all of a sudden its gone because Mitt maybe sent the job overseas. You are screwed and you and your comfortable job has vanished it certainly isn’t your issue and now you have to work at McDonalds as a grill cook. What used to be a $35,000 a year job is now $10,000 (probably less but I don’t have time to do the math).
            You used to be able to spend time with the kids now that is gone through no fault of your own.
            No more time with the kids thanks Mitt.

          • lindablue

            That’s certainly not unreasonable but as Jeep has said they have no plans of sending Jeep jobs to China. Happened to my family back in the 1980’s when Reagan was President and my husband had a good paying job. Suddenly his job was gone, sent to Mexico. He had to go back to school full time and work part time I had three part time jobs to help us get by on. Yes we have been here before and guess what the jobs usually come back here because we have the best work force and the best quality products ever made.

          • ps2os2

            Lindablue:

            Sigh… I was using Jeep as an example. It could have been any other company Mitt got his messy fingers into.

          • lindablue

            I agree. Mitt is not good for American job creation. He is the China job creator.

          • Canistercook

            It is a lot of work and one has to get off ones butt and do it if ones children are going to succeed. Didn’t leave much time for me to do other things until they were grown. I read with them and helped with their homework when I got home from work and on weekends.

          • lindablue

            So you had a nine to five job? What about children whose parents work 2 p.m. to 11:00 p.m? Or how about children whose parents work the midnight shift and just has time to feed the children and get them to day care before they leave for work? Don’t get me wrong I think if a parents jobs allows them to help their children with homework they should but if a parent is working than you can hardly expect them to quit their job to make sure their children get educated unless you are willing to pay the parent to stay home. Any answer to educating all our children will cost us money. We either pay for these children at the front end or we pay for them at the back in by building more and more prisons. I’d rather pay for them at the front end with good after school programs and longer school days.

          • Canistercook

            Well I waited to raise my family until I could handle it. Even the birds and the bees make good arrangements for their young before creating them!

          • lindablue

            Oh yes you were the perfect family. Everything fell into place for you and your family. You never ever had to relay on your parents because they raised such a great kid that always thought about the future and lived with a woman he hated so his children would grow up to be such great human beings that just like their parents did everything right and never never has to relay on anyone else because their lives are so perfect and their parents were such responsible human being that they raised the most perfect children. Now how about a little truth. Every family has problems and need someone to relay on. Just want a little truth to come out of your mouth.

          • Canistercook

            Having left full time school and home at 14 years of age I am not sure my parents could do a lot of me. They did their best though and did not rely on handouts.

          • lindablue

            So why did you leave home and school at 14 if your parents did their best? Maybe so they wouldn’t have to ask for handouts. I don’t know who you think your fooling?

          • Canistercook

            Not fooling anyone. I got my first job at 14. Did very well at it and got promoted quickly. Didn’t need handouts!

          • lindablue

            How lucky for you, you do realize we don’t live in the same America you grew up in don’t you? No high school education, no job!!! No first jobs at fast food restaurants those jobs now go to illegals only. No college education lucky to find a job where you make over $8.00 an hour which is not a living wage. Well Ward Cleaver we don’t live in your40’s/ 50’s America the rest of us have to live in the America or what’s left of America after Private Equity is done with it thanks to Republican policies.

          • Canistercook

            Do you ever think what created the America of my era and of the 50’s. For your information if you know of any illegals working in a fast food restaurant you can report them to the INS. The illegals where I live all do mostly the work of baby sitting, elderly care, house cleaning and gardening, etc., with tax free pay usually of $10 to $15 an hour. That is because there are few Americans out there willing to do the work or suitable for employment in peoples homes. Even the high tech industries are begging for special employment visas because they cannot find enough trained technicians and engineers to fill their openings. A heck of a lot has gone wrong with America since the 50’s and it’s getting worse not better. It doesn’t take a college degree or even a high school to learn how to do a lot of jobs, just needs integrity and willingness to work.

          • ps2os2

            @canistercook
            I have ask you before to go to YOUTUB and do a search on programmersguild and you will be enlightened as to how companies try and get around the H1B’s (hint getting cheap workers) (IF I POST A URL its gets held so I won’t bother).
            Yes companies want cheap labor and if that means at the expense of locals who cares.
            This is off the track a little but here it goes…
            20+ years ago I got a call for a job I hand put my name on the street. It was from a bank in SF and they flew me out there for the interview. The interview went fine until they offered me $ and I looked them straight in the face and said I get paid MORE at my current job that what you are offering me why should I consider it as the benefits were equal ? They said fine. I went back to my old job and they hired foreign national’s (two) to do the same job that they wanted me to do and they ended up paying a lot more for the two as the people they hired didn’t have a clue. At the most I would have been up and running in two or three days the two people they hired hardly spoke english (although they claimed they were fluent). There was tremendously learning curve as they really did not have a clue. They were lacking basics that were needed. The project found in two months they needed to hire an experienced person and they called me back with a 50 percent pay raise. I turned them down flat. A 50 percent pay raise wasn’t even close to account for the cost of living difference.

          • Canistercook

            20 yeas ago was a long time ago. About that time I applied for a job in Boston and the woman asked me what religion I was. When I responded I was not religious she looked shocked and I knew right then I did not have the job. Not all individual experiences can be used to determine a pattern. I got another good job in Boston!

          • ps2os2

            What I didn’t say was that I had friends called in for the same job and they all turned it down for the same reason $$. Loved SF but you need lots’a of $$ to live there.

            A few years later I was sent out for a job (top secret and I can’t repeat details of it) out in the middle of the high desert west NW of LA. Same thing although this time they couldn’t come close to the $$. I had the clearance but who the hell wants to live in the desert? Besides I was not a morning person and no Star Bucks in sight. They couldn’t hire foreign nationals as the security clearance was beyond most US citizens

          • Canistercook

            Depends on what kind of work and salary one looks for. Lots of high income Apple and Google people around here looking for housekeepers and they pay well. Many illegals take those kind of jobs with good untaxed pay and love it. Get free housing, good food and a paycheck. Some of our so called poor though turn their noses up and say “why should I work when I can get a hand out’. Unfortunately many people have decided they are worth a lot more than they really are so would rather rely on handouts than contribute work. One of my friends daughters (a single mother) took a job in a wealthy home as housekeeper for a man whose wife had died. She gets to live in a lovely home with her child, her child goes to a good school, she drives the family’s car and gets paid $500 a week. Keeps house, drives the kids to school and gets a check. Has the weekend off! She loves her new job! She was lucky, the man wanted someone honest who spoke fluent English and she needed a job..

          • ps2os2

            @canistercook
            OK you can stereo type any one to make your point can we stick with our own experiences rather than I heard or my brother in law said this. Or Apple people do this, or Google or whoever. Unless you are in that category can we try and keep this to what “I said” or “I did”.

          • Canistercook

            I helped my friends daughter get her job. It’s not stereotyping when you know these individuals and you know disabled relatives who have needed domestic help in their lives.

          • lindablue

            Wow you really do live in an alternate universe. I know many poor that would take those kind of jobs. Problem is the employer does not like hiring people who will want to pay taxes on their income. They like hiring illegals so they can lie on their tax forms about how much money they made.

          • Canistercook

            That’s partially true since many are sick of government regulations and forms and more forms!

          • lindablue

            Well just where do you think the first 50,000 jobs came from for the Obama Administration? So are you reporting them for being illegals working in your neigh hood? Do you call ICE? I don’t know where you get your information that few Americans are willing to do the work that illegals are doing that is just plain wrong. The truth of the matter is there are few employers willing to hire hard working Americans when they can hire illegals for next to nothing and know illegals has no rights. They like slave labor and will keep hiring slave labor until legislation is passed to stop them from doing so. Illegal immigrants come here because of jobs, jobs are the magnet that cause the flow of illegal immigration into this country. That means we have a awful lot of white collar crime going on in the labor market that is going unaddressed.

          • Canistercook

            When I needed help to watch my infant son while I was sick I advertised. Hired an American I had to fire quickly. Found her watching the price is right while the child was alone playing on a swingset and no supervision.

          • lindablue

            You sound like a typical Republican blaming parents that their job creator does not take their children into consideration when handing out the hours they must work.

          • Canistercook

            Just who said someone had to CREATE jobs for them? Perhaps they could do it by themselves but I doubt it!

          • lindablue

            Their you go thinking other people can do what you never had to do. Why don’t you take your pick your self up by your own boot straps and move yourself into Mexico and see how long you last picking your ass up by your own boot strap and quit living off from the American workers charity? Give back that SS & Medicare you blood sucking government user.

          • Canistercook

            Government demanded I join ‘their’ insurance programs and pay into them. It’s not charity when you are forced to buy policies. I would have preferred not to have been forced into it.

          • lindablue

            No one makes you use it you can always pay for all of your medical services out of pocket. Many Americans pay for their medical services out of their own pocket. You choose to use the very government programs you would deny many needy Americans. If you don’t need the services don’t use them, pay your own way.

          • Canistercook

            Why pay my own to help people like the woman down the road at 42 years of age who must weigh 400 lbs who is living on welfare, has her rent subsidized by Section 8 gets CARE for her utility bill, gets food stamps, needed a knee replacement, drinks and smokes a lot but can always afford to have her hair done at the hairdressers weekly and get a manicure! I am not an idiot!

          • lindablue

            OMG, you know more welfare cheats. Why don’t you spend your time reporting them to your state/country Human service divisions than on here blabbering how much welfare cheating is going on in your neck of the woods. Its your job to report the cheats. So quit complaining and start making the phone calls to end their cheating. If they really are cheating and it’s not some case of a whiner bitching about what others are getting while he himself is getting help from a government program.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you know it all and what everyone else does! Most I know are people who need help and cannot afford the expensive union help. I don’t know any cheats perhaps you do!

          • lindablue

            You’re the one that always eludes to all these poor people who lie to get help from a government program and who has eluding to knowing these cheats as they are your neighbors. You need to stop whining about other people getting help from the government unless you have proof that they are cheats and you can prove it and report on their scam or just stop making accusations against others that you have nothing on but your small minded opinion. Start giving your SS & Medicare back to the government since you have admitted you don’t need the governments help. I think you are the worst kind of American one who shows his bigotry toward people for whom he has no idea about the struggles they have to live through and yet you always have a baseless opinion about. Stop villianizing those you know absolutely nothing about.

          • ps2os2

            Canistercook:

            Here is another reason why Mitt is bad for the economy. He has outsourced his champaign hats to another country. Obama knows better.

          • Canistercook

            I have not alluded to them being cheats. Rather I see programs that have encouraged them to participate. I believe that all that can should be self sufficient and help should be available to those who truly cannot help themselves.

          • lindablue

            You have alluded to people being cheats taking from programs while being abled body folks. Well I guess we can conclude you are one of those people. He say that you are self sufficient without SS & Medicare yet you take from programs you say you don’t need. One has to wonder why you would do that while judging others for not being self sufficient. First let me say that the deck has been stacked against able bodied workers by the like of Private Equity Firms who buy out middle class jobs for a profit and send them to China. This is a legal unfair business practice that has been going on for 30 years and more and more towns are looking like ghost towns with many empty factories that abled bodied American used to work at and provide for their families. So before one judges others practice of using government programs one must except we don’t live in the America of your youth and stop judging other for what your doing yourself.

          • Canistercook

            You are so far to the left you can’t see much of anything. There is good and bad on both sides and those that produce in China know the extent that American standard of living has depended on exports. You can’t export to other countries if they can buy it cheaper elsewhere. We live in the world and world commerce is here to stay. We just have to have a level playing field and at least Romney has promised to stop allowing China to manipulate its currency to gain advantage.

          • lindablue

            Laughing Romney has money invested in China so why would he take China on over their currency? That would be insane from a profitability stand point and that is after all, all that Romney understands is profit for himself at the American peoples expense. You are willing to believe anything he tells you but if you take the time to think it through you know he is yet again lying to you. Romney will never take on China’s currency issue. So stick that in your make believe world you’ve been punked once again by the spin mister.

          • Canistercook

            We all have money invested in China in our pension funds if we have one and that is the only way Romney has money in China. You obviously lack much financial knowledge of what it takes to make a dollar these days and what it takes to give a pay check to a worker. A big portion of what is grown in California is sold to China and they have to earn dollars to pay for. it.

          • lindablue

            Romney has bought American Corporations and sent American jobs to China I would think that is a little more than pension money in China that is being heavily invested in Communist China. His whole profit driven sell the American Worker out for bigger profit Romney way will not help our country if you should win the Presidency he will finish selling off our country for even more profits for him.

          • Canistercook

            You have been well brainwashed and have bought into the nonsense that unfortunately you don’t understand. Wish industry was as simple as you think it is. Don’t know if the company you work for as overseas plants, but most big companies do.

          • lindablue

            Oh praised the Lord we will never have to find out just how much of America Romney would have sold off to China. Although we already know he has sold off plenty. Now let us pray the Republican Party will move back toward the center to grab the olive branch that the democrats have always extended to them for the good of this country. Unlike the Republicans who do nothing for the country unless there is something in it for them personally.
            The first thing to dissolve is any internal rigidity that separates you from others. Try to work more closely with your mates, concentrating on common activities which evidence your integrity and native goodwill. Sudden, strong action in support of a greater good can lift the spirit, and lead toward new possibilities in many areas. Spiritual impulses — including a strong sense of justice — should be honored, and acted upon. They can provide the initial impulse to important and constructive change.

          • Canistercook

            Well he sure has the support of the Union members, blacks, Hispanics, welfare group, single mothers, students, gays, etc. Don’t know about the olive branch but do know we have to reach into other peoples pockets to try and pay off our debts. Just hope I can get in on how to get some of that Stimulus money coming my way like the other rip off artists!

          • lindablue

            The only rip off artist getting Stimulus money is those businessmen you love to stick up for so maybe you should just ask them how much more government money it will take to keep them up and running? Seems the American people know who is sticking up for them and sure was not Mitt thank goodness and those ridicules Republican Senators. Hey maybe you won’t have to worry about getting that government check much longer with the Republicans still over the House of Representatives I’m sure they will hold your government check hostage for more program cuts that help people like you who no long work and have now become a burden on the country.

          • ps2os2

            Lindablue:

            Quit taking his shooting in the air and hoping something will be hit comments. I asked him for specifics and he seems to have not taken up the challenge, so ignore him.

          • lindablue

            Yeah I thought that days ago but enjoyed shooting holes in every comment he made. It still amazes me that people like him judge others for the same things they themselves do. Example live off the government dime while calling others cheats and frauds. You got to give it to them they have balls bigger than bulls and brains smaller than ants.

          • lindablue

            And the Republicans have the support of the money men, the ridged religious right, and big corporations, so your point is?????

          • Canistercook

            Balance – the Unions almost destroyed the U.K. economy and Margaret Thatcher, a grocers daughter brought it back. Without a balance of power either side assumes too much power. A dangerous situation. China is creating millionaires while we are attacking them and trying to kill them off! They are laughing all the way to the bank as they sell their trash in Target and Walmart!

          • lindablue

            Thank you Walton family for destroying our way of life and destroying good American jobs. Luckly I do not shop at ChinaMart. Balance starts by treating your workers fair. China has a long ways to go in that matter. I don’t buy from those who profit off from sweat shops.

          • Canistercook

            Don’t think those Chinese millionaires will miss you!

          • lindablue

            Duh. They are not Chinese millionaires they are American Billionaires like Romney. I don’t miss him either.

          • lindablue

            Bullshit. Romney takes over any company he can find to steal our jobs and pensions sends the jobs to China. Romney is the biggest job creator in China.

          • Canistercook

            Dream on. Romney is retired and has not worked for any co full time for several years. He has good retirement income. Do wonder where your information comes from.

          • lindablue

            If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. Romney is the biggest job creator in China.

          • Canistercook

            Better tell the Chinese since they are not aware of that!

          • lindablue

            I don’t have to tell the Chinese those in the Chinese government already know Romney is their biggest job creator in their Country. Damn skippy they know that.

          • Canistercook

            You must know a lot of Chinese who told you that. I don’t

          • lindablue

            I’m surprised you can read with your lack of knowledge. Sure your capable of reading the ballot to vote. Lol.

          • Canistercook

            Still making rude comments!

          • lindablue

            Still lying about how perfect your family is and how you never had to rely on any one because you planned your life so perfectly and every thing always fell right into place and you only cash those SS checks because you don’t need them but just like taking from the government. Laughing.

          • Canistercook

            No just living in the real world and hoping it will keep a modicum of civilization.

          • lindablue

            I doubt you have ever lived in the real world but you sure enjoy pointing at those that don’t have your fake world experiences.

          • Canistercook

            I’ll guarantee I have lived in and been to a lot more of the world than you have.

          • ps2os2

            Every one knows that he grew up in a 1950’s sitcom family where there was no problems other than what jeans or lipstick to put on. No family issue other than gee whiz the TV is on the fritz again and if we fashion rabbit ears out of tin foil we can make it work just fine gee whiz!

          • lindablue

            Lol. No shit the guy has had it made bet he even married June Cleaver and his kids name was Wally and the Beaver.

          • lindablue

            Anyone who can do math knows that Romney is the great Chinese job creator.

          • ps2os2

            SIGH… as usual you left 80 percent of the story untold.
            The farmers got the land because they were white and corrupted the (already corrupt) white overlords to give them the land. Yes the white people help clear the land but it was with black help and substandard wages. This is key part you left out. Yes the blacks came back in and took over the once “owned” land but for the most part they were/are incapable of making it productive again as the white owners didn’t teach the natives what they needed to survive i.e. an education. The white (former) owners didn’t think the blacks were bright enough to run the farms as the white owners never put a dime a side for education of the black man.

          • Canistercook

            And you have never seen the school system that was put in there by the White and Colored people. They valued a good education system for all but like Oakland and a few areas of our country it does not work for all. You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink! The reason Asians are so successful in California is they value the education offered to them.

          • ps2os2

            Again you leave half the story. There are contributing factors that account for some of these issues. This is becoming tiresome as you always use half the color palette (not meaning persons originations so you don’t take this out of context like a lot of your ranting).

          • Canistercook

            In South Africa they refer to three groups for your information “white”, “colored” (Indian, Malaysian etc.), and “Black”! They live in separate areas for the most part.

          • Canistercook

            They have been teaching them for 50 years and have given up trying. Now corruption has gotten so bad most of them are leaving.

          • ps2os2

            The corruption as you put it started with the whites and slowly migrated to the blacks who took over after the British(and others) left the country. The British just did not teach the black people how to run a country and as a result corruption slowly took over. Yes it was a British issue and they have repeated it many many times to the loss of many countries. India learned but they are slowly learning that religion and government does not make good bed fellows.

          • Canistercook

            The Brits left behind a good structure and it only took about 4 years for it to start falling apart. They had schools for all, supermarkets, courts, etc. Now they can’t go out at night because of crime and are back to hunting wild life for food. Rhodesia as it was once called was the “bread basket” of Africa. Now people are hungry! Even the blacks they trained want to migrate to South Africa even though that is in danger of falling apart eventually’ There are big shack towns built by migrant Zimbabweans there. The South African government provides water and portable toilets in them the prevent disease.

          • ps2os2

            They left behind a structure that was oriented towards whites (ie white taught schools in english) The natives had very little clue about running civilization as it was always done by the whites. ie White cops and white supervisors. They weren’t allowed to run for say mayor (or whatever the equilivance was). They were not trained from day one how a community (city,state) was supposed to run.

          • Canistercook

            It took the white’s 3000+ years to learn how to govern and still they don’t have it perfect. What makes you think they can teach others in a few years?

          • ps2os2

            That is why you do something for the long haul when you teach people and starting at 5 or 6 and keep it up for quite a few generations. Being a “master” country involves quite a bit more than creating a civil service system. Sure you populate with locals but then you bring in people from the governing country with specific time frames in mind (as much as possible anyway) and you adjust as you go along. But with the idea of getting out as soon as reasonable. *AND* you make it clear to the country you are in exactly what you are doing and above all else you treat people nicely.

          • Canistercook

            I agree but if you have a chance read up on Zimbabwe. They had a white population of around 250,000 at independence which is now down to around 50,000 if that. They were left with a reasonably good government, schools, courts, etc. They are now trying to get some of the White farmers who cleared the land and farmed it successfully to come back, but in many cases they say it is too late they don’t want to start all over clearing it and risk having it taken away again. Once it was the bread basket of Africa. Now it is devastated and one of the biggest HIV epidemic countries in the world. Their leaders are too busy fighting one another over their diamond mines to care about their people. True democracy is hard to maintain let alone to pass on to others who have never built it from scratch.

          • lindablue

            That’s funny because we are not working on our own HIV epidemic here I guess for the same reason we have politicians to busy fighting than solving our problems, new report show the largest growing HIV cases in the south where they still to this day refuse sex education and never talk about Planned Parenthood where people can get sex education from.

          • ps2os2

            Africa has been the hardest hit with HIV infections. One can speculate as to why and probably cannot really come up with an answer. The US is still seeing HIV infections #’s growing.
            From what little I have heard Africa leads the world.

          • lindablue

            May be true but the second largest increased cases is right hear in the good ole U.S.A.

          • ps2os2

            Again it is speculation as to why. I will call a friend tomorrow who works with HIV+ people and see if I can get her knowledge as input.

          • lindablue

            Please do but what will you do with the information once you get it?

          • ps2os2

            Lindablue:

            What I found out and it isn’t exactly conclusive but the person suggested that in Africa women are more submissive to men and it spreads more easily as the strain of HIV in Africa is more conducive for transmission between women and men. She also suggested I try the UN web site on HIV and it might give a better answer.

          • lindablue

            Ah no the women are forced to be more submissive to men and in fact where would the women go to complain? Their village elder who is what? A man? Men in Africa were raping babies because they were told that would cure their HIV. Come on, we know how undereducated they are you have even been arguing that point on this thread. So what is our excuse for allowing the spread of HIV?

          • ps2os2

            Begin Quote:”

            There are a number of reasons why HIV has and continues to spread in South Africa:
            The government was late to acknowledge the disease and to take a proactive approach to its control. You will remember that in the 1980s, as the epidemic was starting, South Africa was embroiled in political strife, particularly as it applied to the issue to apartheid and the struggle for freedom for Blacks.
            Behavioral and social behaviors have played a role in the spread of disease (ex. lack of condom use, acceptance of multiple partners)
            Poverty is always a factor. Where there is poverty, there is lack of education, poor access to health care, lack of medicines, lack of information, prostitution, etc.
            High rates of sexual assaults. South Africa has the highest rate of rape in the world, including rape of children.
            Stigma–because HIV/AIDS is so highly stigmatized in many parts of Africa, including South Africa, people are reluctant to go for HIV testing and treatment for fear they will be ostracized or targeted.
            End Quote”

          • lindablue

            So what’s our excuse for the rapid spread of HIV in this country. I’d say the same as Africa’s in the southern states where it continues to spread.

          • ps2os2

            Well maybe because safe sex isn’t taught in schools because of the religious nuts. I don’t want to bother my source as she is too busy with her HIV work. But you can look it up and find a quote like I did.

          • lindablue

            I agree.

          • Canistercook

            I happen to believe there should be MORE sex education not less and every high school should offer information on sexual diseases and birth control from 9th grade on. This is one item I disagree strongly with the far right on. But with about 70% of black babies, 40% of Hispanic babies and 27% of white babies being born to single mothers we have a terrible problem and are heading towards becoming a third world country. I believe there should be more planned parenthood facilities, not less, but they should be small and in neighborhoods where they are most needed. In the U.K. in the 1930’s they opened them up in empty little stores in poor areas and staffed them with trained nurses and midwives and dispensed help to the poor which enabled a middle class society to evolve. In the U.K. today the School nurse is allowed to prescribe birth control to sexually active teenagers. They face up to reality! Unfortunately Sex is such a taboo subject in America we have our head in the sand on it and we will pay the price of young teens with no parental discipline because they were raised by a teenager without parental discipline.

          • lindablue

            You do know that in some state especially southern states many 13 year old are getting pregnant. I’m in my middle age and even I got sex education in 7th grade. Your way of thinking is putting us back a generation. Love when we agree Canistercook their should be more Planned Parenthood and especially in rural parts of our country. The problem with what your asking for is that Planned Parenthood actual uses nurses and other professionals in their work so it would be more expensive unless we put them in every County Health Department which would be good. PP should also be in every Department of Human Services. Sign up for food stamps and get educated at the same time. That would work. I haven’t quite figured out how we get the south to evolve but if there is a will there is a way.

          • Canistercook

            Easy we can afford it by stop just handing out cash and food stamps but requiring the recipients when they get them to participate and attend classes and become productive responsible individuals. The only reason lions hunt is because they get hungry!

          • lindablue

            Well I guess if that worked we would have solved the problem of poverty a long time ago.

          • Canistercook

            No, poverty can also be a state of mind. If you don’t have a warm place to sleep and go hungry that’s poverty. In many places in the world they have little except that and don’t think they are ‘poor’.

          • lindablue

            Poverty has been around since the beginning of time and has never been solved. I don’t think its okay to let the least amongst us to go hungry and without heat and health care. Do you? You can’t have a capitalist system without having unemployment people otherwise capitalism does not work. Right? So what do we do with the unemployed people? Let them go without basic services?

          • Canistercook

            Funny the British taught the Canadians how to run a country!

          • ps2os2

            errrr… it was also the French.
            Canada is also a lot different that Africa, the people who came to Canada came from a solid background of governance. Learning how to govern is an art and not to be taken lightly, its little different than teaching an inner city school and the suburbs and it takes a lot more patience. The upbringing has a lot to do with it and the people from England knew and accepted how to govern .

          • Canistercook

            That is the problem. Kick out those that knew how to govern like in many African countries and what do you end up with. Jealous perhaps of them but things only get worse. Colonials were not guarding angels they also had their own agenda, but for the most part they were good at governing. If the French had remained governing Haiti it would not be in the mess it is today but the U.S. wanted them kicked out and never was able to replace them. Sad!

          • lindablue

            Sounds like America 100 years ago.

          • lindablue

            Well we see where the Republican spending got us. We now have a President that wants to work on the deficit over ten years which is what every economist says is the smart way to attack the deficit and spend our money smartly by re-training the work force that by the way Private Equity Firms have destroyed, to meet the current needs of the corporations.

          • lindablue

            If Romney is elected we will all be crying because their won’t be a job left here, he and Bain will of sent them all off shore.

          • Canistercook

            A left wings dreaming!

          • lindablue

            Sure bet your doubles if you trade me.

          • Canistercook

            If you paid into it for 36 years OK

          • lindablue

            Well got three years to go to catch up to you.

          • lindablue

            It’s not unionized workers driving up the cost of health care it’s not having employers like China Mart who employs most of the workers in the country not paying their fair share that drives up the cost for all of us. It’s not okay for Wal-Mart to shift the cost of their workers health care on the tax payers.

          • Canistercook

            All employees should pay for their cost of their own health insurance. Perhaps then we would not have so many obese people who need Knee replacements!

          • lindablue

            You do understand that not all obese people are fat because they over eat don’t you? Some genetics play a part in your height weight ratio.

          • Canistercook

            Yes I do and I understand it is harder for some than others to stay slim. Trouble is with about a 40% obesity rate as compared to many other countries with 5 to 15% we have too many. Excess of anything will damage one’s health so somewhere many people need to
            take more responsibility for their lifestyle. Perhaps we need a new organization called ‘Overeaters Annonymous’.

          • lindablue

            Oh the old take responsibility for your life BS that is until your actually made to take responsibility for your life then all we hear is the squeal of the stuffed pigs whining. Perhaps we just need to do what they did when I was in school and get every child interested in a sport. When I was in school very few children were not in some sport and the ones that were not was because of sever health conditions. Its not like that today because schools are to busy cutting gym, band, and the arts. I can remember because we had 7 45 minute classes we could take two gym classes in the same day. Or a gym class and an arts class like dance. So much has changed and these kids are lucky in elementary if they get a gym class at all. I myself walk everyday so I can’t understand people who don’t take the time out of their day for their health. I think the earlier you teach healthy habits the better chance that you will keep those healthy habits.

          • Canistercook

            And the Teachers union welcomes all non legals into their classrooms – more teachers, more union members – and then we must grant them legal residence.

          • ps2os2

            Oh come on… you can’t blame any union for that. The fact is that the /school board/city/state/federal people have jurisdictions to who is admitted to any school. The union has little or no say so in that regard.

          • Canistercook

            The Union has a lot to say – like Brown In California. They ‘bought’ his governor seat and most of the California Senate and Assembly seats. They ‘bought’ Obama’s right to the White House along with blacks, hispanics and whites who wished to prove they were not bigots. The Feds supposedly have jurisdiction but have decided not to enforce their own laws. Illegals are supposed to be deported. Hence we educate thousands of illegal children. And the schools ask for more and more money! I would require that every NEW minor admitted to a public school in future provide proof of legal residence – but I am sure that is too ‘right wing’ for you. That is what other sensible countries do.

          • ps2os2

            Then, if Romney gets elected you will say this corporation was responsible for junior getting the day off of school, right? Come on get real. MAYBE and thats pushing it the governor but do you really think what a UNION wants is going to influence any president?
            The illegal question has its roots going back a LONG time. Agricultural people probably started it but then this was say 100 years ago. We have had a 100 years of the issue sitting there and NO one wanted to address it (both Democrats and Republicans) and no one wanted to, as it stepped on a lot of peoples toes, unions and the like. But we got cheap labor that in the end was all that was important and after the growing season they could move on to where ever they want nobody cared. The problem should have been addressed way back when or at the minimum a conversation started so people could think about the issue.

          • Canistercook

            Wonder to this day why Martin Luther King Day and in California Ceasar Chavez day is a holiday for schools and government workers and not for industry!

          • lindablue

            Yes remember the days when school didn’t start until the farmers crop were planted and harvested? That was not the unions pushing for those days off from school.

          • Canistercook

            Right and the kids don’t harvest the crops anymore and the teachers love a 9 month work year and a 12 month pay check.

          • lindablue

            Really then why did the farmers just fight and win allowing children to work on their farms without the labor department being able to fine them. I can tell you my husbands families children still work on their farms everyday. Teachers have always had an abbreviated year since the inception of public schools if you wanted an abbreviated work year you should have been a teacher. Yes and that is why teachers are paid so little even though they have a college degree.

          • ps2os2

            I can only speak to the first. Back in the 1990’s we had one black person in the department and MLK occurred and we all came to work except the black guy. The boss told him he would have to give up a vacation day because he didn’t show up. We were in the financial industry and were bound by US government regulations. The days were plainly marked off on the calender.

          • lindablue

            Give me a friggin break. What does it matter who buys who’s the seat? If its not unions buying a Governor’s/Presidency seat then it’s business buying the seats. Business is out for themselves and union’s fight to lift all. So stop whining a pray that the people wake up and get all money out of politics. Our constitution says “We the People.”

          • Canistercook

            If business buys it it is to encourage more business and if Unions buy it its to encourage higher wages for less hours and higher pensions. Result of Union purchase – more companies like steel, shoe, clothing etc., manufacturing leave the country. Silicon Valley is one of the few places booming right now and the workers are not Union! Most workers make $40,000 to $100,000 a year.

          • lindablue

            Many of the jobs you name where never union jobs to begin with. I lived near a Lee’s factory that closed ten years ago and guess what they were not and never were unionized. The companies leave for lower waged workers. I currently live by a Purdue Chicken processing plant guess what the locals can’t get a job their they only hire illegals. Not that these companies were not making great profits to begin with they are just greedy and want more and more and give the workers less and less. I would guess you won’t be happy until every worker in America is making less an minimum wage. The only thing stopping less than minimum wages is unions. For your grandchildren’s sake you better hope something good for the workers in this country and soon.

          • Canistercook

            Guess you never heard of the Clothing manufacturers union. Report Purdue to the Immigration department and they will pick up employed illegals – if there are any!

          • lindablue

            No its not the teacher unions that fought for all children in this country to get a chance at an education that was the lawmakers that passed the law that they wanted all children in this country educated and even recently the lawmakers passed a law that all children must be in school until the age of eighteen. You bitch about druggies shooting each other and then whine because the lawmakers are trying to address the problem by educating their population. I think you just like to bitch instead of solving problems its just so much more fun to bitch about problems. Typical Republican. Nothing but finger pointers with no answers on how to solve the problems.

          • Canistercook

            And the rest of the world loves our free education for their children!

          • lindablue

            As they should. We have been the beacon of the world. Even china strives to be like our country when it comes to educating their population. Too bad because of Mitt they will pass us soon enough because while he is sending our jobs to China they are smart enough to use that advantage to their full advantage over our country even stealing our technology. Thanks Mitt but no thanks.

          • Canistercook

            I wonder if they are really smarter or just more diligent and work harder!

          • lindablue

            Well I don’t know why don’t you make a special trip to China and ask those sweat shop workers if they are just a more diligent worker than us. If you can get past the chain locked fences.

          • lindablue

            Many other countries don’t have enough food. Many other countries have good health education plans. Let’s not forget who complained and whined about Michelle Obama’s get fit conversation with the country, she tried to get healthy food in our schools and the current House of Representatives made tomatoes sauce a vegetable even though its full of sodium. So again a Democrat tried to solve a problem and the Republicans whine about the problem and take no action and even make the problem larger with their actions. Perhaps we need a new House of Representatives one that wants to solve problems instead of creating more.

          • Canistercook

            Tomato sauce is a vegetable – too much salt though in our diet, try potato chips!

          • lindablue

            Your right if Obamacare does not work then perhaps we will go to a single payer system. Just what American workers wanted to begin with. Remember it was the Republicans that wanted to keep the insurance indusrty in business not the people. We wanted Medicare for all.

          • lindablue

            Why would the drug companies love me and Obama it was Bush that gave them the golden apple being you and every other senior in this country. What competition? You do understand that there is no health care competition in this country don’t you? That’s because you bought into not having a public option along with all the other Republican sheeples.

          • ps2os2

            Again partially true.
            The military do not pay taxes when they serve in a war zone. Otherwise the statement is true.

          • Canistercook

            That sounds fair to me. I do wonder what they should be paid for risking their lives. Probably not nearly enough!

          • lindablue

            Your delusional and I’ll leave it there.

          • lindablue

            Sounds to me like you’re the jealous one. You do know that you could work a union job if your willing to take a pay cut. G.M. and Chrysler are hiring in many states.

          • Canistercook

            I can succeed without the Union but guess you feel unless one joins a union they should have to buy their health insure with taxed money. Isn’t that ‘unfair’ and are you not against an ‘unfair’ tax system?

          • lindablue

            Obviously you feel jealous that low paid union workers have a perk you don’t or you would not have brought it up. The Federal Government gives small business owners a tax break on health care premiums for them and their employee’s should unions fight against a small business man getting a tax break for offering their employee’s health care while most of those health care plans don’t cover their employee’s bare minimum health care needs? Let’s be real hear whining over what another worker getting something you don’t is petty to say the very least. Employee’s don’t get to call their vehicles a company car like businesses can and yet they have to use their vehicle to drive to work every day. Should employee’s rally to take that perk from you? Employee’s don’t get to deduct part of their homes as a business deduction yet most employee’s have to put the uniform they wear to work everyday in their home. Union workers don’t get discounts at their jobs like a Target or Wal- Mart worker get discounts on the merchandise their stores sell should they have to pay some extra tax for that perk? People in the Military get free health care are you wanting them to pay at tax for that too? Granny doesn’t have to pay a tax on her medicare so are you suggesting we hit her up on a tax for her health care too? Most union workers pay into their health care policies through their work place. So I guess what I’m asking is why would you be whining about a myth you have about union workers?

          • Canistercook

            I have Medicare that minimum wage earners are helping to pay for! My beef is minimum wage earners are being forced to pay through the nose for GM cars for example made by highly paid highly pensioned UNION workers. My beef is UNION government workers get to retire on fat pensions at 55 and I had to work to 65 and get a social security pittance. Perhaps Smoking, Drinking and Obese grannies should help pay for their expensive health care. We should help the needy who through no fault of their own fall on hard times but demand responsibility of people.

          • lindablue

            I have nothing against the elderly getting Medicare after all you paid into like every young person who has a job does. Well you don’t have to worry about young people who pay through the nose to support union workers because they drive Japanese cars not American cars because of laws that allow the Japanese car maker to finance at risk loans to an unstable workforce such as the young are, and those Union car makers they retire at a later age than you did so I wouldn’t worry about them either because most are dying at work now. As for government union workers you do understand that State Government workers make less than the average worker does and most work well after their 30 years. Go to any school district in your area and look at the average age of teachers. Don’t blame the unions for your states mismanagement of state workers pensions. You are great at blaming the worker maybe you should look at yourself first. We are only a strong country when we work together for the betterment of all, otherwise we end up looking like Russia, highly educated under paid work force. Seems you won’t be happy till we are Russia.

          • Canistercook

            I did look at my local schools and found that almost one third of the children do not speak fluent English. Don’t know how many of them are ‘legal’ residents, but the Teacher’s Union love it – more members since we need more teachers!

          • ps2os2

            The irony is here even Buffet pay’s little tax and is somewhat agreed with Obama that the rich should pay more.

          • Canistercook

            The real irony is that Obama’s tax proposal is to raise taxes on those already paying a high percentage and not to change the system under which Buffet pays a low percentage!
            Wish I could invest millions in capital gain investments like Buffet and avoid Obama’s tax increase.

          • lindablue

            Laughing. So your so rich that the tax increase will effect you but too poor to invest in capital gains investments. Welcome to the middle class where no matter who is elected you will bear the burden of the reckless spending of G.W. Bush.

          • Canistercook

            No I am investing in Vancouver and thinking seriously of moving back there if Obama wins!

          • ps2os2

            Bzzzt.. wrong. There is limit on percent but nowhere near the 90 percent (during pre 1960 time frame). I would like to go back to that time (with no deductions like there is now for the privileged few)
            Of course the situation demands increases for anyone earning over 200K (gross).

          • Canistercook

            Do wonder why if one man gets up at 5 each morning, plows his field of corn and when he reaps it he owes 90% of it to the ones that stayed in bed and sat around all day! Guess that some’s idea of of ‘fairness’!

          • ps2os2

            But I will guarantee you that they guy who gets up at 5AM and plows his fields does not have money to throw around for hookers and the like at party’s given by BAIN. The only way they get that money is by financial chicanery .
            WHile one could argue brain over brawn that would only be true if the laws did not permit financial monkey business. AND, before you go there the people with deep pockets and politicians who are less than honest permit it.

          • lindablue

            Buzz wrong…….. he owes 90% of it to the 1% to which gave him the loan to buy the land, the seed, plow, fertilizer, gas to run the plow. What does he owe to the armed forces that protect this land, the police that keep law and order, the teacher where he send his child to school at, the government that provides the roads to get his product to the mill, the fireman that put the fire out on his barn, the social welfare department that raises his children after his wife dies. Oh how we deceive ourselves into believing government has no role in our collective society.

          • Canistercook

            And but for him we would all be starving and have no government at all!

          • lindablue

            Don’t you mean that if it was up to the Republican Party you would be starving and by the way it has been up to the Republican Party and guess what between their record number of Senate obstructionist and the House of Representatives only naming Post Offices for the last 2 years people are starving. Thank you Republican Party for once again running for office in 2010 on jobs and then voting down every jobs Bill that came before them.

          • lindablue

            No if not for us we would all be starving and if the TP has its way we will not have a government.

          • ps2os2

            It bears repeating one more time.
            Sesame Street and a few other shows on PBS are sponsored by corporations. NO public funds go into making of the shows. Again Mitt missed his target.

          • lindablue

            Not to mention the government sends PBS just 4.4 million to support local PBS stations. Not a lot of savings there. Remember what the Republicans said when asked to let the riches tax breaks end? 56 Billion a year not enough to help pay for the deficit, but they want to go after Big Bird how laughable.

          • lindablue

            I have never said that public funding goes into making the programming what I’ve said is public funds go to support local PBS stations.

          • ps2os2

            And we have seen how small amount that is. It isn’t close to the cost of a fighter aircraft which we really don’t need. It is far closer to the time that the US gradually draw down the armed forces world wide. We need bases in Germany (or many other countries for what?) I would prefer seeing the money go to PBS than the military and their boondoggles. Just visit the Pentagon one day and see how many generals we have essentially doing very little. I would suggest decreasing them by 90 percent. That alone would save say 10 billion a year.

          • lindablue

            Agree. Military spending should go back down to 2006 levels. Most of what the military is building is experimental at best and costing the tax payer billions. We have more hardware than we will ever use. We have 15 to one what China has. No wonder they have the money to put into their industrial base and to buy up mineral rights in every country. While we are in detrital state China has the state of the art mass transit built, built the building for Romney to move Senasta industry to their country. We allow our politicians to argue over women’s rights all the while our country is going to hell in a hand basket. Thanks Republicans for changing the subject. Remember how they ran on jobs in 2010 and then refused to allow the President’s job bill to go though that would have put a million people back to work. Sickening.

      • Canistercook

        You are a lost cause! Uneducationable!

        • lindablue

          You are CORPORATE BRAINWASHED.

          • Canistercook

            Well it’s too bad both Obama and Romney need us Corporate Brainwashed people to win an election isn’t it. Like most independents I think I can think for myself instead of buying what National and Town Hall or Fox of MSNBC tries to feed me. Just amazing how much misinformation and misinformed statements there are out there. No wonder the country is in trouble.

        • lindablue

          I agree you are uneducable. Too ideological to get through to your brain.

    • ps2os2

      @canistercook:

      And you are far right. Look I am unhappy with Obama for a lot of reasons. However I still find him more reasonable that MITT. He is a right winger in sheep’s clothing. Hell you can’t get a straight answer out of him that won’t be retracted in 24 hours.

      • Canistercook

        So far to the right I chose a Democrat for one of my local representatives. Guess it depends on what one considers a ‘straight answer’.

      • lindablue

        Hey he doesn’t like Rachel because she has a facts team that actually looks at the facts and reports the facts. Something he is unused too watching Faux News.

  • ps2os2

    Business wants cheap labor its as simple as that and I agree with you on the whole green card issue (as far as reasons) MS is now asking for more green cards (people) as they do not want to pay prevailing wages (forget about experts as its bogus except maybe in one or two cases). If you look through YOUTUBE there is a video on how businesses are coached into asking for green cards. Its as good and clear example as your are going to find (try searching on programmer guild). It will make your hair stand up.

  • ps2os2

    My family fled from Michigan when he got in. The relatives that stayed were screaming like a stuck pig to just about everything he did. I was quite young at the time so I do not remember specifics .
    But he ran Michigan like he ran AM (into the ground).

    • lindablue

      Wow I was young too but do not remember my parents complaining but then they never do unlike their daughter they have always just excepted thing as status quo. Well then I guess your right like father like son.

  • ps2os2

    @lindablue
    Well that is partially true. I have looked and the options are indeed few and end up covering less than what Medicare does (if thats possible). I have to buy Medicare supplemental as medicare is a joke for coverage. Its a long story but suffice it to say I will have to go on Part D of medicare in January. It looks (right now) that part D +supplemental will cost me around $85 a month and even then coverage is less than optimal as I will have to pay quite a bit for tier 3 drugs out of my own pocket.

    AND THATS WITH Supplemental medicare insurance. My current insurance from my former employer is pretty darn good but it goes away when I am 65. Medicare is indeed basic no frills insurance but its wanting. The other options out there are even worse (IMO). Hospitals now do not offer optimal treatment when you are on Medicare alone.

    • lindablue

      Yes your medical insurance with your employer now goes away since the Republicans bankrupted the country. I can tell you that my grandmother had to buy supplemental medical insurance and she has been dead for over 10 years. The supplemental medical insurance policies for Senior’s has been in place for quite some time now for low income people and now all employer insurance ends at 65. Sad that the Republicans spent this country into bankruptcy and now we the middle class is stuck with the bill as usual. Again another way to take the burden off from the Blue Chip Corporations and stick the middle class with the bill. Cha – ching $$$$. .

  • Canistercook

    Do wonder how many of the readers of the National Memo have read the article in today’s New York Times that describes the kind of man Mitt Romney really is. Sure doesn’t sound like the kind of man Obama has been describing lately!

  • ps2os2

    I read an article which I wish I could remember to save and post here that was NOT complementary nor was it bad either. But I think you have to be a New Yorker to get the distinction. Let me try and paste from a buffer:

    “You would have very little money at risk, but an opportunity, with inflation or appreciation in real estate values, to pay off your mortgage lender and keep 100% of the gain for yourself. In addition to the skill of ferreting out an attractive investment opportunity, Romney has demonstrated the ability to recruit and motivate managers who actually create value by improving a business, as well as the ability to attract the necessary capital from banks and institutional investors. In short, Romney was an intermediary or broker between capital and business opportunity.”

    I read that as not as a complement but an assertion as to the character of the guy.

    • lindablue

      For China. Lol. Not for our workers best interest but for the communist country of Chinas best interest’. How will he create jobs here? I don’t think he will. Still waiting to hear his job plan. If it’s anything like his tax plan hold on to your checks and kiss our economy goodbye.

  • Canistercook

    Bush or Obama the drug boondoggle was still another expensive entitlement. With gov and employers picking up the bill the health care providers don’t need a competitive system.

    • lindablue

      Again you do understand that the Federal Government has always picked up the states bill for Medicare and Medicaid, right? Our whole economy is subsidized by the Federal government don’t you know?

      • Canistercook

        Think you are missing something – the Federal Government’s money comes from the TAXPAYERS. Without them the Federal Government could subsidize no one!

        • lindablue

          Ah and there lies the problem with the Tea Party Republicans stance. Most of the Tea Partiers I know are like you retired and count on their Social Security and Medicare to get by. They don’t even realize that they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I don’t care which guy gets elected in the next election your taxes will go up. You can’t cut the deficit without revenue. Cutting programs alone will not be enough revenue to take care of the deficit.

          • Canistercook

            Cannot live on Social Security unless you get subsidized housing and food stamps, so I saved for my old age. A family I know gets $900 a month worth of food stamps and owns a ranch in Mexico. There are a lot of ‘cheats’ out there.

          • lindablue

            There are bad apples in every system just look at what Capital Investment Firms are costing the Tax payers. Bain is shipping good paying American jobs to China and getting a tax break for doing so and also sticking you the tax payer will the bill to cover those workers pension. Why aren’t you complaining about that? Why are you voting for the Godfather of sticking the American Tax payers with pensions bills with the jobs Bain under Romney leadership moved to China? Who not too bright and thinks what they’ve got is safe from the Robber Barons? Just because you’ve got something today does not mean you’ll have tomorrow. Just ask the Senata workers.

          • ps2os2

            What scares me is when after they have outsourced all the job to China who will be left? Anyone turn out the light please.

          • lindablue

            Scares the hell out of me too. After speaking with Canistercook its not hard to why we will lose our country. They have no brains and just spout Republican spin points that have no bases to reality.

          • lindablue

            A family may get up to $900 a month in food stamps depending on the size of their family. Most families don’t get near that amount and have to live on very little food come the end of the month. Lets be honest hear they are not living on steaks, lobster, and pate. They are eating a lot of processed foods which is high in sodium and starches. Not real healthy but what they need to do to survive. I’ve heard these stories from most boarder states but find it hard to believe they can afford to buy a ranch in Mexico working in slave wages jobs in our country.

          • Canistercook

            Believe it or not!

          • lindablue

            Well maybe you should be complaining to the job creators that brings those legal/illegals immigrants in here for cheap labor which by the way takes away jobs from young people in this country and causes the very crimes you detest. See how every problem we have goes back to those greedy job creators.

          • Canistercook

            Think if the young Americanpeople were willing to work instead of occupying Wall Street protests and roaming the streets we would not need to import foreign workers.

          • lindablue

            What those bright college educated OWS are doing is a blessing to this country. First they are not a bought entity like the Tea Party was. Second they are fighting for real issues that need to be addressed in this country and guess what they are doing without guns on their hips. Again I will try and educate you to as to why we have a lot of foreign workers it’s call Greedy Robber Barons. Bringing in cheap labor to destroy our standard of living.

          • Canistercook

            The illegals come from countries with a lower standard of living then ours! No one brings labor in, except high tech labor because our colleges are graduating folks with ‘human studies and law degrees’ instead of with engineering and computor skills. Silicon Valley has the need for 2000 more ‘skilled’ workers.

          • ps2os2

            Well partially true but I would say 40 percent true.
            Companies have a way of advertising (asking for the world) and they advertise at a cheap price (no one qualified would work for such a small wage I personally have seen such tactics used). I could go into specifics but look at YOUTUB and search for programmer guild. You will be enlightened as to how companies are *TRAINED* to design ads so that when they get very few responses they can justify the H1B’s from other countries. Essentially they are trying to get cheap programmers that will come here and then leave say after 2 years and the merry go round goes around and around.

          • lindablue

            They would not come here if they knew that they could not get a job. Have you been to any fast food businesses lately? These working behind the counter used to be our children’s first jobs not illegals.

          • Canistercook

            Wish they had cleaned up the messes they left in Oakland and around St. Pauls cathederal!

          • lindablue

            Whine, whine, whine.

          • lindablue

            What a simpleton statement.

        • lindablue

          Then why do you keep voting for corporate Welfare?

    • lindablue

      Cry about the entitlements as you do you still collect your entitlements don’t you. Don’t you just hate those that whine about entitlements and then collect them every month? I sure do.

      • Canistercook

        I only take what I paid for and I only get about half of that. People on welfare, food stamps etc., receive help and are receiving aid. I like to help the deserving needy not the lazy greedy.

        • ps2os2

          Look, you are essentially bad mouthing the entire welfare infrastructure due to a few bad apples. Please do the same to your Senators and Congressmen.
          No one has said the system is perfect and that it cannot be made better. If you want to work to make it better do so don’t back seat drive.

          • Canistercook

            If it was only a ‘few’ bad apples I would be happy to support the needy. But how do you think all those people running around w