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Wednesday, September 28, 2016

A few years ago, Washington, D.C., was subjected to a freakish winter — a series of nightmarish snowstorms that crippled a city ill-equipped to handle them. The back-to-back blizzards prompted derisive howls from the flat-earthers in Congress who insist that human-caused climate change is a hoax. The grandchildren of Sen. James Inhofe — Oklahoma Republican and flat-earther-in-chief — built an igloo from mounds of D.C.’s snow and proclaimed it Al Gore’s new home.

Is Inhofe still denying that human activity has altered the climate after the ravages of Superstorm Sandy? Probably. He has invested too much in his ignorance to change his mind.

But the storm’s horrifyingly destructive powers just might have gotten the attention of more thoughtful Americans, those who are inclined to respect scientific data and to pay attention to clear indications of a “new normal” in the weather. Extreme weather events that were once believed to be once-in-a-century catastrophes are cropping up with peculiar frequency. That’s no hoax.

Let me be clear: I know of no conscientious scientist who states with certainty that a warming planet caused the freakish storm, which combined a hurricane with a “nor’easter” to produce howling winds, surging seas and early blizzards. But many have said that a warming planet exacerbated Sandy’s destructive impulses.

“Storm surge is the big story here,” University of Georgia meteorologist Marshall Shepherd told me, noting that much of the destruction was created by seawater, which was whipped up by high winds and surged inland. “We know sea level rise has occurred, so storm surge is exacerbated. That’s one area where we can put the DNA of climate change on Sandy.”

For years now, climate scientists have produced reports warning coastal cities of the dangers they face because of rising sea levels produced by a warming planet. Those reports have been ignored or, worse, dismissed by politicians and a public who didn’t want to believe that could be true.

Climatologists have also pointed out that extreme weather events — calamitous hurricanes, severe droughts, devastating floods — are occurring more frequently. As New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo noted last week: “There have been a series of extreme weather events. That is not a political statement; that is a factual statement. Anyone who says there is not a change in weather patterns is denying reality.”

  • nobsartist

    “The best way to fix something is to do nothing.”……republiCON thought

    • onedonewong

      The best way to make something worse is to get the govt involved…socialist thought

      • sigrid28

        Just a talking point, not information.

        • ococoob

          Or unless you live in an area that has fracking for natural gas and the current owners will contaminate the aquiver on which your well water comes from!

          • sigrid28

            Roger, ococoob. I was replying to ODW, not John. The comment thread has a disconcerting way of shuffling our posts, does it not.

        • onedonewong

          an undeniable fact

      • johninPCFL

        Unless you live near a superfund site that the previous owners have polluted to lethal levels and abandoned. After all, it’s cheaper to walk away than to clean up the mess.

        Or unless you live downstream from a phosphate mine that the previous owners have abadoned. After all, it’s cheaper to abandon the site than to refill the hole. Or treat the acid waste. Or properly cap the waste pile.

        Or unless your town is built on ground over top of an old abandoned coal mine that has caught fire. After all, it’s cheaper to walk away than to refill the hole so it can’t catch fire.

        • onedonewong

          Unless your the federal govt which has been taxing manufacturers to fund current clean ups only to spend the $$ on attorneys rather than actual clean up. More than 60% of all Super Fund dollars spend have been on attorneys not cleaning up anything

          • johninPCFL

            Only because the owners would rather pay attorneys than for cleaning up their messes.

          • onedonewong

            No its the environmentalists that are constantly going to court in hopes of getting a piece of the pie. they aren’t interested in actually cleaning anything up they would much rather litigate ad nauseum

          • johninPCFL

            Wrong. There a hundreds of sites already cleaned up. The litigation usually takes years to get to the point where the idiots fouling the property declare bankruptcy and walk away.

            Bhopal, Love Canal, Rocky Flats, Massey Energy, etc. A few hundred deaths, a few billion in cleanup costs avoided, but happy shareholders, I guess.

          • onedonewong

            The super fund started in the 1960’s. So once again the $$ has been wasted. the companies that declared bankruptcy were driven to it by unprecedented demands of the environmentalists. I’ve been around a few super fund clean ups and they are always over kill> many would self clean if companies were allowed to use the best least costly techniques. Not the typical burn millions of acres of dirt and then bring in more dirt that only denuded another section of the country.
            Love Canal is a perfect example most of the homes have been resold and folks are LIVING on the same ground that was declared such a disaster

          • johninPCFL

            Love canal was resettled after the homes and land were shipped off for burial in a secure landfill.

            Unprecedented demands = leave it like you found it. Don’t pour poison into neighborhoods and skip out.

            Acres of dirt burned because acres of dirt were poisoned by improperly run companies.

          • onedonewong

            Wrong again same old homes and same old ground all with no problems after they got rid of the environmental wacko’s

          • johninPCFL

            And most of the old homes and the contents of the filled-in canal. That was the first thing undertaken.

          • onedonewong

            Thanks for the history rewrite, it must serve some purpos for you

          • tobewan

            It appears onedonewong is always a victim of his own name – because never right but he is always onedonewong!

          • onedonewong

            my accuracy is over 99% something you can’t ever claim

          • tobewan

            11/19/2012 Realize this is way over due, yet conscience dictates an apology to you, “onedonewong”. Got caught up in this blogging thing, regretfully, and my comment against you & your blog name was way out of line. I AM sorry. Thanks to you and discus for getting me back in line. Will be much more cautious & careful in future.

          • onedonewong

            Thanks for the kind thought. I’m used to getting hate mail here so it goes with the territory of being an honest broker

          • tobewan

            Hope you are able to have a Happy Thanksgiving Day and Meal. As we are in the period of the “Time of Trouble”, we can be thankful that the Kingdom we have been praying for, will come soon – maybe in our life times. Keep praying. His Will will be done!

          • Ed

            That is because the culprits are fighting with THEIR lawyers.

          • onedonewong

            No its because the ENVIROMENTALIST are never happy and keep going back to Court to pad their Treasury. Bleeding the fund dry

          • RobertCHastings

            Why do you think Romney wants to get elected – so he can get a piece of that action, for him and his rich buddies. They are called plutocrats, and they are the ones who really run the country. At least Russia admits to the fact that the wealthy run their country.

          • onedonewong

            I’ve googled Russia admitting that the rich run their country as well as China and Cuba and can’t find any record of that thought. Think you dreamt it up like the majority of your posts??
            The only folks profiting from the super clean up fund is environmentalist not businesses or those most affected. Its just another cause celeb just like global warming

          • RobertCHastings

            Try “oligarchy” and “Gazprom” in connection with Russia. Where is the connection with China and Cuba? They are both communist. I must say I appreciate your reading my other posts – at least you might learn something other than blind obedience to Rush L:imbaugh and Glen Beck. Of course you have your right to disagree with the theory of global warming as there is no more evidence for that than for evolution or the value in research with stem cells.

          • onedonewong

            Can’t you identify a cure that has come from Stem cell research?

          • RobertCHastings

            Of course I can. Most people who understand it can, also. It’s a very simple process of taking undifferentiated human cells (either from embryos or from other soources) and tricking them into deciding what they will be. While it is still in the testing stage, it is being used against various forms of cancer and has been used to recreate damaged organs in humans. Once these stem cells are told what to become, they will replace what has been damaged.

      • Onedonewrong, have you tried telling this to the many people who are now desperate for governmental help after Hurricane Sandy?

        People with your attitude are often the first to demand governmental help when a disaster occurs.

        • onedonewong

          The folks impacted already know that FEMA is worthless. wait until they think their damage is going to be paid for by the govt and find out its not true. There is nothing that FEMA can or will o that a boy scout troop can’t.
          No I’m a taxpayer and hence don’t expect or want my govt to do anything for me

          • Ed

            Well, for instance FEMA can mobilise resources to get rescue teams into the area; to feed people who are in need; can facilitate the delivery of fuel for houses; can provide shelters; can, with the RIGHT leadership provide temporary housing; can provide cots, pumps, bulldozers, brroms, hammers, nails, and dozens of other things. I am not one of those who expects the government to DO FOR ME! I have been on the scene of many weather related disasters caring for those less fortunate than me. I have seen what a FEMA, run properly, can do. The very fact that Mr. Brown, the FEMA director whom G.W. praised as having done “a helluva good job Brownie” claims that” Oboma reacted to the disaster too fast!” shows what the republican outlook is. Yes, I have seen trrops of boy scouts at some scenes. Lost in the tide of americans who volunteered to help their fellow citizens in time of need. FEMA provides organisation to these efforts.

          • onedonewong

            Really can you cite 1 example where they marshaled fuel, temporary housing, bulldozers??? There was an article today of folks in NY are paying construction companies to move the sand off the roads, they are paying for it with their own $$$. As usual FEMA is AWOL.
            Yes Bownie criticized Obama for running to NY just after the hurricane hit, tying up police closing roads for nothing more than a photo op. As for FEMA’s reaction to Sandy they were closed for 5 days before even coming to work.
            I’ve been on the scene thru more than 10 hurricanes and I can testify that FEMA has always been a day late and a dollar shot. The last one I was involved in 2 years ago FEMA was trucking in bottle water a week after power had been completely restored and ended up sending it to the land fill.
            After a disaster there are only 2 organization that matter and can help those affected the Red Cross and the National Guard

          • BDC_57

            it was only worthless when bush and his cronies ran it.

          • onedonewong

            A leopard never changes its spots, if its a federal agency its worthless. Other than DOD if the federal govt disappeared tomorrow no one would notice

          • How do you know this, tell me who you know that lives in these hit areas. What boy scout troop will supply gasoline to these hit areas along with water and other necessities. How do you think medical help is getting there? It seems Gov. Christie (no liberal by any stretch) is happy with the gov’t response. You are full of bovine fecal matter (I didn’t create this phrase but it’s a nicer way to say some is full of bulls**t) You dumbass right wingers need to develop some compassion and intelligence. You montanabill & obozomustgo need to go back into your conservative bubble and enjoy your fantasy world)

          • idamag

            I live where a major dam broke and actually wiped out one small community and did bid damage to others. FEMA was right there. They organized sand bagging and cleanup for the dead cows and large trees in my brother-i n-law’s place. If onedonewrongallthetime finds himself in a situation where he needs FEMA, I hope he will be honest and tell them, “No thanks.”

          • onedonewong

            FEMA isn’t supplying gasoline, FEMA isn’t supplying medical care. Gov Christie is begging for help and had to dance with the devil thinking it would make a difference. It won’t since FEMA is a Federal Govt agency and flexibility and ability aren’t in thir vocabulary.
            having seen FEMA in action during 3 previous hurricanes I can guarantee you they brig absolutely nothing to the party. The heavy lifting is all done by the National Guard and the Red Cross.
            Need to develop compassion I do its called paying my taxes something you leftwing nuts don’t do and never have

          • RobertCHastings

            Stooopid!

          • RobertCHastings

            Good. I will be more than willing to take your Social Security check and Medicare benefits.

          • onedonewong

            You must have come from Kenya and are a uncle to barak. They all think they are entitled to social aid even though they didn’t kick in 1 penny

          • RobertCHastings

            I would not have to have come from Kenya to be an uncle to President Obama who, by the way, just won re-election, so get over it – you lost! To whom are you referring when you claim”they didn’t kick in 1 penny”? You think the Obama’s have not paid in anything to either FICA or income tax? Oh, of course, how silly of me, the tax returns he published must be fake, like his birth certificate and college transcripts. Once again, he won, so get over it.

          • RobertCHastings

            So do they? FEMA as envisioned by W was a useful federal agency relegated to the status of sop for his country club buddies. It has, thank God, become retasked by Obama into an agency that effectively reposnds to national disasters. If you think that the folks in NY and NJ don’t appreciate how the federal government responded to Sandy, there is no hope of turning you from the dark side.

        • idamag

          I am sure onedone has his hand out somewhere. If it helps other people it is socialism, but if it helps him, well, that’s different.

        • RobertCHastings

          I agree. My question to onedonewong is does he even know what socialism is. Probably not. Otherwise he would realize that is precisely what Romney wants, so he and his fat cat friends can divvy up the booty.

      • joyscarbo

        Uggg…I thought I smelled something awful…should’ve known it was YOU, onedonewrong…
        This is exactly what a government SHOULD do, you jackass….and why don’t you go to New York and Jersey and tell the people who lost everything that they’re a bunch of socialists…you’re a waste of human cells.

        • onedonewong

          The same caliber of folks crying and whining there are the same folks who cried and whined in NO. They are welfare queens and can’t do anything for themselves. What we are seeing govt do is what they always do waste $$$ and accomplish absolutely NOTHING

      • Obiviously you do not live anywhere near NJ/NY areas that have been devastated by Sandy. Gov’t agencies FEMA, Homeland Security and military personnel are there to assist the people in these areas. My area a little north of NYC got hit with the winds and we have power outages but nothing compares to the people living on the NJ & NY shorelines. If this happened where you lived you would be crying for gov’t help. All you do right now is make idiotic statements

        • idamag

          He lives in a rural area. He cares about people as long as they live close and don’t ask for too much. His vitrolic rhetoric shows he is a person that: if you knew him personally and tried to tell him your views he would say,”I don’t talk politics.”

        • onedonewong

          Sorry I live in hurricane alley and we don’t expect any help from FEMA. the only folks looking for FEMA help are the same ones who depend on the govt for their food, healthcare, cell phones and sec 8 housing. Its the ones who don’t work don’t pay taxes that expect the taxpayers to provide everything they need.
          The only folks providing help to NY and NJ is the National Guard and the Red Cross, FEMA is doing their typical thing taking up the few available hotel rooms and will actually have a presence around Thanksgiving. Homeland security isn’t even in the area. this info is from your beloved NYT’s part of the State Run Media. they have even buried all the stories today on Sandy on page 3 until after Tuesdays election

  • Canistercook

    When we really know how to do something that makes sense and know how the Universe really works. There have been storms like Sandy and Katrina before but without cities built on the edge of the big oceans.

    • civilizations have always begun on the coast of big oceans. homo sapien-sapien left his long presence on the coast of the indian ocean in south-east africa 260,000 years ago, and since then, all civilizations have developed on coast-lines or near rivers and large lakes. the very first sophisticated or sedentary civiliztion was begun 25,000 years ago in a place you wouldn’t think possible: the sahara region in north-central africa. there is a book out called “Kebulan” that tells the story of the developement of the earth’s first civilization. there were four giant rivers that branched north, south, east , and west of the region and was fed by a giant lake that was in the center of the sahara region called the “Waters of Atum”. the sahara was green because of the russ-wurm glaciation of europe, asia, and the far northern part of africa. global warming of the earth caused it to dissicate or turn into desert.

      • Canistercook

        True since water was both needed for transportation and life. Question is should some poor soul living in a small apartment in a city be taxed for a beach house? There are risks we take and questions that need answering. Easy solutions are not there though! Climate will change no matter what man does but how and how much is the big question plus what we can really do to stop it changing. Even in the dessert they sought out Oasis!

        • johninPCFL

          The impacts of what we can do depend largely on where in the curve of warming we are. If we’re in the heel of the curve, a little change makes a little difference. If we’re past that, a little change makes a huge difference.

          It’s been said that we produce as much CO2 in a year as a large volcanic eruption. If this is true, instead of the environment absorbing an eruption per decade, it’s been fed an eruption per year for decades (plus eruptions.)

          The major CO2 sink on the planet is the ocean. If the rise in atmospheric CO2 is due to the production rate exceeding the diffusion rate into seawater, lowering the production rate lets the system restabilize and the weather systems would quickly revert to the 1950s rates and severity.

          If the CO2 rise is due to exceeding the buffer capacities of the worlds oceans, we are in for decades of trouble.

          • Canistercook

            Trouble will probably come as the Chinese and Indians buy more cars and are using mostly the cheapest form of fuel available to them – gasoline. CO2 was produced by massive lightening lit forest fires in the past. They burned for weeks on end. As I have said before, we should do what makes sense and the use of more wind, solar reasonably and reducing waste makes sense. How many people wait for a warm sunny day and dry their wash outside in the sun? But I am not sure we, like ‘King Canute’, are going to be able to hold back the ocean tides. We are smart but the question is ‘how smart’? There are a lot of people these days in the world.

          • johninPCFL

            Today instead of forested areas burning for weeks on end, we have humans knocking down trees and burning them for decades on end. Then, instead of forest regrowth absorbing the CO2 just released, we have humans growing cattle on the burned-off land. In my mind it’s still a toss-up whether cattle or masses of rotting vegetation release more methane and CO2, but removing the vegetation certainly increases the moisture evaporation rate. Both water vapor and methane are much more effective greenhouse gases than CO2.

            Yes, China and India both have growing car marketplaces. Fortunately, both also have more effective mass-transit systems than 99.995% of the US. Lack of car-friendly infrastructure will drag out their adoption (as it did in the 1900-1920 period in the US) and possibly allow a shift to better engine systems. During our car build-out, cars got 5 to 15 miles per gallon. During theirs, it looks like 30 to 40 per gallon, and they don’t appear to be going through the “bigger is better” phase that Detroit did in the 1950s-60s, and repeated in the ’90s.

            I agree that there’s only so much we can do. Bankrupting ourselves so the rest of the world can go merrily on their way running to the same ultimate outcome makes no sense. Paying a reasonable cost to delay the disaster so that the rest of the world can wake up makes some sense.

          • Canistercook

            Yes but we have people planting fields of crops and lawns. Dinosaurs no longer roam our planet. They must have given off quite a bit of CO2 along with Wooly Mammoths! Reason is the right word and the politicians should not be using climate change and a few other things they are using to ‘buy’ votes but unfortunately they do. Most people want a good job, a home and some want a family. That is probably what really matters to them right now. The question is how best to achieve those ends and still practice reasonable ecology!

        • sigrid28

          In the dessert, I always seek out whipped cream. Will climate change no matter what WOMAN does as well? Republican talking points + big questions = (always equals) the Big Lie. I was feeling sorry for low-information voters, like you, who vote Republican because they don’t know they are voting against their self-interest. This self-righteous defense of your own self-destructive tendencies is getting annoying, especially because you are doing exactly what you accuse the victims of Hurricane Sandy of doing: complaining about a situation you refuse to do anything to prevent. At the same time, you are playing into the hands of the 2% who are capitalizing on the excessive use of expensive fossil fuels and the failure to develop less damaging energy sources. They will live out their lives in luxury, without a care for the people who put them in power.

          • Canistercook

            Always wonder why so many lefties assume the self-righteous position that they are the only informed people and anyone that disagrees with them is a liar and appear to be so jealous of those that have made something of their lives. If the ‘uninformed’ people are living in luxury as you say and don’t care for others they must know something more than the others I guess! Perhaps it’s how to work and get ahead in this competitive world!

          • sigrid28

            You misread what I have said. Mitt Romney, his billionaire sponsors, and the neocons telling him what to do to get elected are NOT uninformed. These wealthy Republicans know exactly what they are doing and how it will benefit them. They do not care how much suffering their policies might cause the middle and working class Republicans who put them in power. A person would be a low information voter who voted for them even though they refuse to specify what they will do exactly to improve the economy. THEY lie. THEY see to it that there is no information for you to take in, making their constituents purposely uninformed. It is THEY who refuse to inform YOU. But when you take in their lies without questioning, and put these avaricious Republicans in office, you harm not only yourself but the rest of us.

          • Canistercook

            Well I guess we have a choice between having a politician back in the White House or a business man. A look at Mitt Romney and over his life shows him to be anything but someone who does not care for others. Have you looked at how Obama has gone from a working class black student to earning 4 million a year. Study his income tax. Don’t know what ‘Foreign business income’ he pays $49,000 foreign taxes on to foreign governments either. Wonder how much ‘suffering’ Reagan put on you versus Carter’s 18% house mortgage interest rate? You get to sound like a real communist. Is that your party?

      • Jim Lou

        Did you say the Indian Ocean?

    • sigrid28

      Cities have ALWAYS been built “on the edge of the big oceans;” or in our case in Iowa, on the banks of the Mississippi, which floods regularly; or in Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization, beside the rich delta between the Euphrates and the Tigris; or in North Africa, where arid desert explodes with life along the Nile. From outer space, cities dotting the Pacific Rim look like a sparkling string of pearls.

      To say that commerce alone explains our preference for living beside large bodies of water is only the newest half of the story. The earth itself is unique among planets, because it is, for the most part, covered by water. We ourselves are made up primarily of water: the water cycle circulates within us. In our first months of life, each of us has known the intense delight and security of floating within our mother’s womb. Each of us knows the primal anxiety of thirst and the universal joy of sharing a drink. So intuitively we know a great deal about how “the Universe really works” just by being alive.

      Something as vital to human life as oceans and rivers cannot have failed to inspire curiosity and creativity, the basis of the natural sciences, and awe, the basis of art and religion. Think of baptism, for example, the universal symbol of washing away sin within so many of the world’s religions. Think of how washing clothes has evolved from pounding linens on rocks beside a river to tossing them into a Whirlpool sitting next to a clothes dryer, our modern innovation for wringing them out by hand. We don’t just “make sense” of the universe. Most of us are busy participants in the ongoing experiment that characterizes living beside water.

      Our long history of life “on the edge of the big oceans” is what has led the scientific community to formulate the theories of climate change and global warming, not a political party affiliation. Those who deny the accumulation of centuries of knowledge humankind has gained from its rich and tumultuous life beside water–whether denying out of avarice or ignorance–will have to suffer the punishing and uncompromising lessons of endless draughts, powerful storm surges, and vast floods, along with the rest of us.

      Some will drown, and some will be saved. As your local American literature geek, I wish to draw your attention to the worst ocean-born disaster in our literary canon, recounted in “Moby-Dick.” Herman Melville’s epilogue begins with a citation from Job: “And I only am escaped alone to tell thee.” The story’s narrator, a disillusioned, diminutive youth from the island of Manhattan, named Ishmael, with no sea legs, miraculously survives by clinging to the giant coffin made by his unusual new friend, a frightful harpooner, the South Pacific islander named Queequeg. As is the custom in his island religion, Queequeg builds his own water-tight coffin when he sees, in the bits of bones he throws daily, that he is about to die. After the great white whale destroys Captain Ahab and the rest of the crew, Queequeg’s coffin becomes Ishmael’s life raft, saving him so he can escape their fate and live to tell Melville’s story. Climate change deniers will have to decide whether they want to sink chasing the riches of oil or a vengeful myth, like Ahab and his loyal followers, or survive, like Ishmael, with the help of a foreigner who became his friend:

      “For almost one whole day and night, I floated on a soft and dirge-like main. The unharming sharks, they glided by as if with padlocks on their mouths; the savage sea-hawks sailed with sheathed beaks. On the second day, a sail drew near, nearer, and picked me up at last. It was the devious-cruising Rachel, that in her retracing search after her missing children, only found another orphan.”

      • Canistercook

        Interesting information. Thank you. I’m not sure that there are that many ‘climate change deniers’ out there as there are people who feel the climate has gone through cycles on many occasions in the past and we are in our infancy of knowing much about how the rest of the Universe affects the small planet we live on. Certainly Al Gore running around in a large jet is not the answer and while solar and windmills are a good idea they won’t be our solution Just looking at where the population lives in countries like Egypt tells us the importance of water. On the other hand we need to ask how much we owe to someone who builds a house on the beach, in the shadow of a volcano or on an earthquake fault. Balancing risk with the ‘right’ to someone else to prop us up is a questionable issue and not easy to answer. Common sense seems to be the only real thing we have to rely on and if and when we are sure there is a life raft to save us out there certainly we should grab ahold of it. On the other hand if it is going over a waterfall any minute we had better try and find other solutions.

        • sigrid28

          I’m sure you can tell the difference between people “who feel the climate has gone through cycles” and people who actually KNOW what is going on. The people who KNOW things about the climate recognize the danger of changes that have been occurring because of the way humans use fossil fuels. “Common sense” solutions may be appealing to someone topping off the tank of his pick-up truck, while feeling resentment about people who live in seaside cottages. GLOBAL SOLUTIONS guided by science, not wishful thinking, are needed in our circumstances, for white guys who like to drive gas guzzling Fords, for WASPs who yearn to live by the sea, and for the millions of others of all races and creeds with whom we share the planet, many of whom can’t afford a vehicle and can’t decide where they might prefer to live. If you really care about any of this stuff, stop feeling, wishing, and spouting Republican talking points and start to study the problem, learn something new, and think–for a change.

          • Canistercook

            Have not met anyone yet who can prove they ‘knows’ what is going on. Only those that earn a big salary ‘pretending’ they know like Al Gore! I don’t resent people who live in seaside cottages, I just think others should have the right to access the shorelines. I notice all colors drive cars some big some small. Guess you have not been around long enough to remember when they were warning us we were heading for an Ice age again. Guess there are a lot of ‘Scientists’ out there. Some are Republicans some are Democrats I guess! Some work for the government and have a pretty good living off the taxpayers!

          • sigrid28

            You should get around more, so you can meet knowledgeable people. Then you will have something to say that is relevant and not just a Republican talking point.

          • Canistercook

            I get around plenty. Furthermore I don’t tell others that what they say is not relevant, just because I don’t agree with them. rather I just voice my own opinion. Obviously you have entered into the realm of “I am right and I know it all” so you probably have difficulty in intelligently discussing issues that affect our country’s future. Enough said.

          • sigrid28

            When it comes to an enormous problem such as climate change, just saying what you think and expressing opinions is not enough–for you and for me. Facts must be acknowledged, plans must be executed to solve problems that have been formulated through thought and experiment. Experts do have a role in our country’s future, even if you and other Republicans refuse to accept it. Barbers used to treat heart attack victims, and many of them died. Do you want a barber or a surgeon to perform heart bypass surgery on our planet?

          • Canistercook

            Global warming may be a problem for some and a boon for others. The dinosaurs died off and other mammals grew in numbers. A fact is something you can prove beyond doubt. Experts told Hitler he could Win the War! Experts told Bush Iraq had WMD’s. It’s one thing to have someone learn a little how they can fix some things in our bodies, still another to fix something that is as vast and unknown to us as the Universe and exactly how it affects each individual planet and each sun. There are two groups of ‘experts’ both scientific on the global warming issue. They do not agree with one another. Republican voters do not all think the same on all issues and most think for themselves, but most of those supporting the Republican candidates right now are not voting on global warming but improving the fiscal status of our country. They feel this is something they can do right now to help improve, whereas they cannot do a lot right now to affect the climate one way or another, more than hopefully they are already doing by conserving energy. Experts at one time told everyone the world was flat!

          • sigrid28

            The candidates Republican voters support in this election will do things that harm the very people who vote them in, while giving enormous prizes to the 1%.

          • Canistercook

            Guess this 99% –1% nonsense has been absorbed by you hook line and sinker Sure we have a few quite rich people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and the Facebook guy out there etc. So do the Russians and Chinese. But thanks to the Corporate groups in our country Americans have in the past had a much higher standard of living than much of the rest of the world. A few countries have an even higher standard, i.e. Switzerland, Scandinavia, Singapore etc. All are countries with low entitlements, rich investors and hard workers. All are countries that also have a lot of very rich people, like the guy that owns Ikea. The liberal government in Zimbabwe confiscated the farms from the ‘Rich’ and gave them to the poor and their rich people left the country and their numbers have diminished from 250,000 to 50,000 and is still going down. They are trying to get them to come back now Zimbabwe money is worthless and their economy gone. They ‘redistributed’ their wealth, blew it, and now no one has any money except their crooked new politicians! They are all poor and hungry together. What was once the bread basket of Africa is now a disaster. Republican voters just believe and some of us know that private enterprise and competition is needed to succeed in the long run which is why America succeeded so well in the past. Maybe we think we should help the deserving needy not the idle irresponsible greedy! Otherwise we are heading in the direction of a third world country.

        • FredAppell

          I completely understand your point of view but what if the deniers are wrong and we do nothing. Eventually we all lose. If we make an honest effort to do something about it then we all benefit from the innovations. If we are wrong then we still benefit from the innovations. It is a win win situation for Earth and all it’s inhabitants. As far as Gore is concerned, that argument is mute because he is not the only guilty party, we all are. Besides, it is still the best method for him to garner the most attention for a problem that needs solutions now.

          • Canistercook

            That is my point. We should do what makes sense. It does not make sense to pour money into factories and production and not know what if anything will be achieved. Especially taking money from taxpayers to pour into dreamy projects (hopefully not campaign supporters). We have just seen our first private financed vehicle go to the space station. If people need water in the desert people will move heaven and earth to get it there if they can find it for $10 and sell it for $100 a glass. We benefit from innovations I agree but we do have to measure reasonable cost versus the benefit. I agree with you Al is not the only guilty party with two guys flitting around the country in planes campaigning like crazy. I personally think more emphasis on conservation of what we use should be a bigger push. More chartered busses from point A to point B for areas with large employee influx. There are many things we need to do that cost little compared to what we are spending on things we may or may not see work or be accepted by people. We need to be careful that it does not become a financial political give-away. I can’t help but think if it was profitable to produce solar panels in California without being heavily subsidized someone would have been making them People like to make money. I know I do!

          • FredAppell

            See, now we have a dialogue going. I love the idea of conservation but unfortunately not everyone is on board with that. Even I am not doing everything I can to be part of the solution. I think about that often and yet I find myself slipping right back into old habits. Some of what we see is cyclical but even that can be a cause for concern. The status quo is definitely not an option. The gas and oil industry is doing fine with their record profits. I find it strange that these are privately held industries that are being publicly subsidized by the tax payers and yet the only ones profiting are them. We should either nationalize them or cut them loose but they get to have it both ways why we sit back and take it on the chin. I think we should take some of their subsidies and put it into other measures such as you mentioned in things like better public transportation for starters. Ours is the worst in almost all of the industrialized world. We should probably allow some more drilling but there has to be some sort of restrictions. We could take some of that subsidized money and put it towards more education, research and development which could lead to a solution and can still be profitable. America just needs the political will but that is a huge barrier.

          • Canistercook

            Well it is nice to be able to have a dialogue. Thank you. Everyone probably should be doing more to conserve, although my kids complain I’m too conservative. I don’t think nationalizing the oil, gas and coal industries is a solution but they are natural and national resources and we need a way to value them better and have ‘extraction taxes’ on them. Their end product belongs to the nation and the people as a whole. Unfortunately nationalization usually only makes things worse when greedy politicians run the show and one has no competition in the industries. Never could understand why they are ‘subsidized’. Don’t know if either guy will really change that much once elected. I think we have too much education but not enough that is useful. I think the almost 50% of youths that drop out of high school in many areas should be evaluated as to their potential skills and many need to go into apprenticeships. Right now I think if a youth is not employed and not in school we need some type of National Service group. I would like to see our ship building, steel, shoe and garment factories, etc., back in production in America. Not every youth can be a CPA, Engineer, Money Manager, Social Worker, Lawyer, Doctor, etc. While I think education is important, I think it is also important to see how many youths are running around our streets unemployed and with little hope of employment and the number of young single parents who will join our poverty groups in the coming years. There is one thing I am not happy with the Republican slate about – their attacks on Planned parenthood etc., to try and keep the votes of that far right evangelical group. We are so divided now I don’t see things improving for a while no matter who is in the White House. Unfortunately I see our country being divided by race and background too, the mostly White Tea Party and Business and the Mostly Black and entitlement receivers along with government unions. We have a lot of problems that need solutions and I had hoped a strong leader would step up that could re-unite us and really move us forward but I am not seeing that on either side of the aisle.

          • FredAppell

            Your ideas are very good regarding education. You stumped me for a second when you said that there is too much education until I read more and realized where you were going with it. Some of it is useless and redundant. Many young people come out of college still not knowing what they want to do with their lives. Even worse are the kids who may not cut it in college for whatever reason. I am going to admit something personal about myself that may or may not open me up to criticism on this thread. But I don’t really care what anyone thinks of me for what i’m going to say. I’m a high school dropout or more to the point, I was expelled and told to never come back. I received my GED when I was 34 years old. I considered college briefly but I knew that I would be wasting the schools time as well as my own. So when you mentioned apprenticeships it made me start wonder what happened to all the vocational schools that America had back in the 70’s and 80’s. It didn’t help me but it did help millions of other young people. A National Service group sounds enticing but you left that vague. There are programs the kids can be a part of but the challenge is getting them in the doors. Too many teens think these programs are lame or they give in to outside peer pressure. It’s another cycle that seems too daunting to effectively combat. But there is hope. I am a liberal and you are conservative and you and I have proven that there can be mutual understanding and cooperation if we just listen (really listen, not just hear the words) to each other. Maybe it starts here with us. Listen! it was a pleasure to dance with you. Thanks for hearing me and have a good night.

          • Canistercook

            Thanks for insight. What really is the difference between a Conservative or a Liberal. I think that may be hard to answer. I think you are like many who found that when the hormones are flooding through our bodies sitting in a classroom and studying does not fit us well. It also tells us that maturity brings with it a better understanding of what we do have to do to live in a very difficult world around us. I am registered as an independent because I try to think for myself and not get brainwashed too much by the left and right media. It sure is difficult! The reason I lean more to the right in this coming election is I do believe we are evolving into a nation of dependents, welfare and CEO bonuses and Obama is a hard left socialist at heart although he pretends to be in the middle. I also believe Romney has to sell himself as a right wing Republican to many voters but is somewhat more a centrist. I also believe that the level of integrity on the part of those claiming government aid and those running our big businesses is at an all time low I believe our very civilization is under attack right now. We have approximately 47% quoted as being the number receiving some kind of government aid or check. Ad to that those that are in government employment and it’s a pretty hefty number. While many need that check and we should help them, the fact that as a percentage of our population they are increasing so fast should tell us something is wrong. Are we making it easier to drop out of the productive working group or get on the government payroll? Do people have to take more responsibility for themselves and their actions. Do we need to ask more about these huge bonuses awarded to ‘executives’ of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bank Executives etc. Do we need more producers and less paper movers. I think we do. So neither side is doing what I really would like to demand them to do and both sides is playing the ‘contribute to my campaign game’ and promising people something they probably can’t or won’t deliver.
            Whoever we put in the White House is not going to change everything because even to get there takes cowtowing to the various groups be it unions or corporations, welfare recipients or Corporate bosses. It is a job for a good salesman and Obama is a better salesman than Romney. We have many in the House and the Senate I would not hire to management my triplex but they have good salesman sense and ability. I am not a Mormon but live near to a Mormon church. I have been impressed by the morals and standards of my Mormon neighbors and their belief systems. Not so much the ‘gold plates’ which I think a lot of them don’t buy into, but their belief of strong family support and the work ethics they support for their children regardless of their income level. Their requirement of two years of missionary service by their young men is not so much increasing their membership but does provide some building skills for these young men before they set forth in the world to create a family and earn a living.
            I am concerned that the numbers quoted of 90% black, 47% Hispanic, 27% White babies are being born to single mothers. (One thing I don’t agree on with the Republicans on is their attack on Planned Parenthood) Is heading the country for trouble. I had hoped that Obama would have been more effective in rallying the Black community to take more responsibility for their offspring, their lives and living standards. Many of the so called ‘Rich’ in California are already paying almost 50% of a dollar in tax to some taxing agency, i.e. Federal, State, Property, Sales tax, gasoline tax, along with numerous small taxes and fees on for example telephone, internet bills etc. We have for 50 years been told by the teachers union “give us more money and we can then educate our children”. I don’t know the exact figures but a large number of young people in schools in many states are here illegally but no one changes that. I would give residency to those already in school but require every new youth entering the school from now on show proof of legal residency. Many would not be here from Mexico and Asia if we did not provide free education and more teachers who are members of the teachers union.
            The question I ask myself is do I want to see more socialism right now or more productivity and I guess my answer is to try to get back to what was the foundation of this country, strong families, strong ethics, caring for those in need, and a strong work ethnic. These are the qualities that have kept the living standards high in Scandinavia, and Germany etc., and created America’s standard of living and I hope will work again here.

            I do not have a lot of choices, Obama or Romney. I have not been impressed that Obama will provide those things so I am willing to give Romney a try. I hope I am making the right decision as I am sure you do.

          • FredAppell

            It’s remarkable how this conversation has evolved from climate change to where you and I are now. It reminds me of my conversations with my brother and the ebb and flow of the topics. Are you from California or only using them as an example? The reason I asked is because where we come from has a lot to do with our personal experiences and world view. I live in Connecticut where the immigration isn’t really a problem. We do have an awful lot welfare recipients in the Tri-State area. A lot of them have never held a job but also a lot of them are on some kind of assistance to supplement their incomes. Unfortunately poverty becomes it’s own trap and this is not a left vs. right issue. I don’t know the answer to this problem. Now, I bend towards Socialism but there are varying degrees of it. I have been at the same job for 12 years and have taken a substantial pay cut to help my boss out. I have not taken any kind of government help at any level to get by. I would rather let someone more needy than I receive the help they need. I truly believe in personal responsibility which is another reason why I am not receiving help. I’m still young enough and strong enough to take care of myself. Yes, too many handouts is taxing on society and there needs to be a responsible balance. Part of the bigger problem is there is so much that needs attention that it’s difficult to know where to begin. There is so much to say but we’ll talk again I hope.

          • Canistercook

            Yes and what is nice about it is we can converse even though we have a different perspective on things right now. I grew up in the U.K. in a working class home, left school at 14 and got a job with a construction company in their offices where I made tea and coffee for morning and afternoon breaks, washed their cups and did any odd job that any of the office workers asked me to do. I leaned to file, post invoices, write checks, file etc. After about 6 months I was promoted to a filing clerk and a new person washed my cup! I was able to attend school at night and leaned shorthand, typing and accounting. I immigrated to New England in the 1950’s and was impressed with the quality of most of the people I met there, the work ethnic and the potential future in America. I met my husband there a graduate mechanical engineer and together we moved to California. There by both working and saving we amassed enough for the down payment of $3,000 to buy a 3 unit building and by living in the smallest unit and both working we were able to keep up the payments. We have 3 grown children and I have lost my spouse but we both worked most of our lives. Sounds like you are contributing your share to society and your family. Most of our illegal immigrants are from Mexico Central America and are hard working good people simply seeking a better life. Like all there are exceptions. In my area of California they earn between $10 and $15 an hour tax free and do mostly baby sitting, elderly care, house cleaning and gardening. These are jobs either too low paying, too hard work or where it is hard to get someone honest to let in to your home. I applaud your kind thoughts towards those less fortunate and I agree with them. I just do not know what the future holds for people like you and me and our families in a society where almost half the population is living off some kind of government check be it a welfare check or a government payroll check. The other half must work to support payment of those checks and they are increasing now at a much faster pace than ever before. I don’t know either if I have the magic solution but my thinking in voting is I want someone who will inspire people both sides of the aisles, demand more contribution from everyone (for example I would have required unemployed to volunteer to society a couple of days a week in return for extending their unemployment checks) and along with auditing tax returns audit the welfare programs. I like to help the deserving needy not the idle irresponsible greedy. We sure do have a lot of problems out there and choosing a solver is not easy I agree.

          • FredAppell

            I knew there was something different about you but I admit I never would have guessed you are British. That’s not a bad thing, I just didn’t expect it. It also explains why your conservatism is closer to centrist than many others. Some of your suggestions are a little more progressive than most American conservatives I have encountered but then again you did say that you are an independent thinker. I appreciate you sharing your back round with me. If more people were willing to open themselves up to one another maybe the world’s problems could be solved more easily. Everybody is so guarded and concerned about what other people are going to do to them that they stop communicating and eventually they find a way to make their fears come to fruition. Without trust and understanding we are doomed! I don’t mean that in an alarmist way, but in a pragmatic way. I hope you comment on the next National Memo story because my conversations with you have been very enlightening and enjoyable and I am looking forward to more discussions with you. Thank you.

    • rustacus21

      There have been, but the intervals have been further apart & the intensity hasn’t been as strong w/each event. Check this out, as to the increased frequency & intensity of storms of this magnitude & see if U still think the same way as the tax-cut-funded deniers paying for their position to be dominant in the media…

      • Canistercook

        How far back do your records go? To Noah’s flood? I am not denying that the climate changes. I am just saying we don’t know all the reasons for it and why the earth has experienced changes from ice ages to tropical ages over millions of years. That is why I feel we should do what makes ‘good’ sense but not do things that do not make ‘good’ sense. Encouraging people to conserve energy makes a lot of sense. Never did understand why so many people use driers when the sun is shining! Putting noisy wind farms in some areas and using energy to make solar panels so people can use their drier when they could use the sun or dress warmer may not make sense. By the way – you have to increase something before you can cut it. Is it a tax cut or a roll back of an increase? Guess it depends on who is paying it!

  • Lovefacts

    It’s time to pay attention to people like Professor Klaus H. Jacob. It’s time we stopped the right wing attacks on science. If we don’t, it will be at our peril.

    • That’s Cause They Know Their Doing The Damage That They Don’t Want To Spent The Money To Fix!!!

      • onedonewong

        The fix is easy, end section 8 housing, foodstamps and the rest of the wasteful social spending. That will reduce gasoline consumption as well as oil and electricity which will heal the earth. The problem didn’t start until all the give aways started

        • sigrid28

          He says while topping off the tank of his Big Boy Truck.

          • onedonewong

            ask al gore as he fuels up his private jet or Robert redford as he fills up his fleet of 50 Hummers or Barak as he flies his wife kids granny cousins to vacation spots on AF1.

          • idamag

            That is after he deposited is farm subsidies.

        • All The Things Your Family Is Collecting Off The Government!! You Have To Be Sick In The Head To Think Your Broke Ass Is Going To Be Helped By Romney 1% Ass!! LOL Go Troll Somewhere Else Tea Bagging Asswipe!! LOL Your Butt Is Not Rich You Just A Racist Troll!!! LOL

          • onedonewong

            The 53% who pay taxes are going to demand a lessor standard of living for you and yours unless they start pushing the wagon. The days of the vast majority of colored being on handouts is over

          • Why Don’t You Shut Your Dumb Ass Up And Get The Hell Out Of Here!!

          • onedonewong

            At least ou stopped telling the lie that you work..honesty becomes you

          • I’m A Nurse Little Creep Why Do You Keep Bringing Your Little Racist Ass Here You Little Tea Bagging Troll!!! You Just Like Little Cockaroach Or A Fly Always Where Nobody Wants You!! Shooo !! GO GET A JOB A REAL JOB!!! I Pay Taxes More Than You You Still Living Off Your Mother!! TROLL

          • idamag

            And nurses are people who care about other people. Because people get sick anytime, nurses have work around the clock. Many a time they will be asked to do a double shift because the flu is going aroun and some of their fellow-emplyees are out sick.

          • BDC_57

            he don’t care about anybody but himself.

          • Just Like The GOP/Tea Party Sociopaths!!

          • onedonewong

            I guess you can call yourself a nurse but most folks have a different name for your occupation. A black pays taxes REALLY to your John’s provide you with a 1099 for services rendered??
            Romney paid 10 times in taxes what barak pays WHY is that??? We have old Joe Biteeme sending the taxpayers a bill for the SS to use his cottage while providing protection or Michelle giving the taxpayers a $10 Million bill every year for her vacations

          • SCREW YOU LITTLE BITCH BOY!!

          • onedonewong

            Must be a little toooo cold out there for you to solicit business this evening

          • You Can Bet Your Mom Is Out There!!!

          • onedonewong

            Michelle is out there with her momma trying to accumulate some vacation $$ for next year when she has to travel on her own dime

        • And Your Dumb Ass With 2569 Comments And Only 1132 Likes LOL You And Your Thugs Ass Friends Needs To Shut The Hell Up!!!

          • onedonewong

            I don’t post to be liked I post so this site has some truth on it

          • GOOD CAUSE NOBODY LIKE YOU SO WHY ARE YOU HERE????? TRUTH LIKE ROMNEY LYING ASS TRUTH LOL!! PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!! LOL LIAR!!

          • onedonewong

            tank four da vote of cofadnce…I wrote it in Ebonics so that you can understand my post better

      • idamag

        And, Fern, if they wanted government help you can bet they would ask for it.

      • Fern: YOU stay out of this. These are reasonable people arguing. I am sure they won’t appreciate a crazy, moronic man like you butting in ….

        • Screw You Banana Boat Boy !!! All The Traits Your Low Life Mother Had Moronic Crazy When She Hatched Your Ignorant Ass!!! Your Mother A Man BITCH!!! You Will Be The First One The GOP/Tea Party Kick Back Across The Boarder With You Rich Man Dumb Butt Sucking Ass!!! I Know You Can’t Read I Been Here Long Before Your Dumb Ass Crawled In Here!!! Eduardo 307 Comments Only 97 Likes LOL Dumb Ass FOOL!!!

    • onedonewong

      and he predicted what??? the storm track of Sandy nothing more than what 10’s of thousands of others predicted

      • Lovefacts

        Oh, ondonewong, you are so wrong. Professor Jacob taught at Columbia University for over forty years. According to Columbia/SIPA “Dr. Jacob’s research career evolved from basic Earth sciences to disaster risk management, regulatory policies and infrastructure/urban development; he bridges the interface of Earth science, engineering and public affairs. His focus is climate change and earthquakes.”

        Three years ago, Professor Jacob’s detailed what would happen to NYC, NJ, Conn, and Del if they were hit by a major storm. He suggested remedial infrastructure measures that would upgrade and protect critical systems.

        • onedonewong

          Jacob’s has no formal training in risk management, regulatory policies and infrastructure. His focus is comprised of his personal theories and guess work none of it is creditable. His area of expertise is Seismology.
          Everyone who has studied storms and their potential have all predicted what would happen to NY, NJ etc if hit with a freak storm. Its not rocket science

  • I believe in global warning but I also believe that it is folly to build homes and businesses along the coastline. There are so many divergent factors that could spell disaster for those who choose to build along our nation’s coastlines such as hurricanes, tsunamis, erosion, etc. It may be nice and a luxury to have an oceanfront view but the possible consequences of having it can be severe because of the ever-changing dynamics and constant fluctuation in meteorological conditions perhaps due to climactic change. In my opinion, there needs to be some kind of policy that states to those Americans who choose to build and live along the coastlines. They do so at their own risk and cost. Why does our nation have to constantly bail these people out for their stupidity and intransigence?

    • johninPCFL

      They already have those policies. They usually read: when your home is destroyed the second time, you can no longer rebuild on the same location. They insure themselves at their own cost. Where the taxpayers come into the game is rescuing them during emergencies and creating (and maintaining) the infrastructure to get to their properties (roads, bridges, etc.)

      Baltimore, Philadelphia, and NYC aren’t built at their respctive locations because it’s a nice view, but because the harbor is essential for seatrade and the workers live nearby. The owners typically built their homes on the overlooking hills, and they’re safe from flooding.

      • Now you’re trying to confuse the right wing Republicans with facts!

      • onedonewong

        I agree time to tell NYC, Philly and DC. NO new construction one a building is demolished it can only be a parking lot

        • sigrid28

          A parking lot . . . for your Big Boy Truck.

          • onedonewong

            That way we won’t be spending taxpayer $$ are constant rebuilding

    • I know many people would disagree with you but Breezy Point in Queens NY is a prime example of the insanity. When I was young in the 50’s & 60’s This was a summer community made up of bungalows that were not heated or designed for year round living. There is only 1 road into Breezy Pointwith 1 lane in & 1 lane out, not really good in a time of emergency. I feel bad for the people who live there but they live on a narrow strip of land with the Atlantic Ocean on 1 side & Jamaica Bay on the other. It’s a beautiful place but with the types of storms that have occurred in the recent years this could happen again. In the fact most of the Rockaway penisula is like Breezy Point but have apartment buildings and year round homes but they also were hit badly by Sandy. I’m not sure what the best answer is but the Rockaway penisula is bordered by an ocean and a large bay.

    • statutorylove

      Rochester NY is 400 miles inland and there were over 20,000 people who lost power due to the storm. There was also a tremendous amount of property damage due to high winds. Just sayin.

    • idamag

      Stop the insanity, This is the first time, in recorded history, that a storm of that magnitude has hit that area. There are probably families in NJ and NY whose ancestors also lived there and never saw anything like it.

      Your reasoning is to assuage any compassion, you might feel, you blame the vicitm. I remember when they blamed rape victims for their rape.

      Instead of blaming the victims, be honest and say either, “I don’t care about those people”. or “As and honest person I will tell you that I do not possess empathy.”

  • These Super Storms Are The Result Of Man Damaging This Earth And The Air!! Better Wake Up People Before It’s To Late!!!

  • Thomasg001

    Stoptheinsanity:
    We’re not all stupid and intransigent. Think for a moment how those cities got there. They are often the commercial hubs from a by-gone era of ocean transportaton: the cheapest way to move goods. Most countries today would not have the economies, foods, products or leisure time afforded without water-born transport. In the 19th century, our railroads evolved to connect exactly those centers. Most important, our very culture depends on the ideas, immigrants, exotic products and exchanges we have with the rest of the world. Your idea would make no more sense than moving every farmer out of “hurrican alley” just because tornados strike there more often. We need to solve our climate problems with our heads not with our emotions.
    Thomas

  • Jim Lou

    The weather in recent years has been extreme.

    For example, last year there was a big snow storm in NYC in October, which is quite unusual. After that there was very little accumulation of snow.

    Last year in NYC there was abundant amount of precipitation but this year is the opposite.

  • Inhofe, though on the fringe element, is not too far from the truth. The earth is billions of years old and is part of a solar system that has “seasons”. Our solar system is part of a galaxy in the universe we call “the Milky Way” which also has seasons. The bible informs us “on earth as it is in heaven”, meaning that all things on are are the same in the universe. We are all products, creations of components of the universe. There are four seasons of the universe as there is in our solar system and on earth. Our sun reveals these seasons in the ebbs of its activities. Each season has a spring, a summer, a fall, and a winter. On earth they are precesed by months, in the solar system by years, and in the universe by millenia. Each universal season is 6,480 years. Four universal seasons comprise 25,920 years. The region of the galaxy our solar system is currently in is the winter season, having made it’s solstice 6,480 years ago. The Milky Way wobbles like a top as it revolves, straightens in an equinox, and dips on one end into a galactic debri belt, and on the other end, rises out of the debri belt. Our side of the galaxy dipped into the debris belt thousands of years ago, which accounts for the severe climatic changes and global warming of the earth and its oceans. The cause of this is from the megalithic objects in the debris belt that is acting negatively on the pulses of gravitational activity between them and the solar bodies, and earth is one of them. We have earthquakes that cause shifting. this shifting causes warming and cooling in places of the oceans where there normally would not have much cooling or warming. Volcanic activity heat the oceans that in turn aids in melting the glaciers that regulate and stabalize weather patterns. Winds carries highs and lows that clash constantly in the atmosphere, bringing severe rains where there normally would not have much rain, and drying where there would be wetter climates. Hurricanes, typhoons, cyclons, zehpyrs, and tornadoes in places that normally would never experience them. It seems worse as our side of the galaxy rises out of the debris belt because of what we got going into it, but we will rise above it. The bible tells us that. As the galaxy acheives equinotal balance on December 21, 2012, it will mark the end of the universal winter season, and the end of the universal year. There will be balance in the universe as it will be on earth. On December 22, 2012, it will be the first day of the universal New Year, and the first day of balance in our universe. We will rise above the debri belt for the next 19,440 years, but God have mercy on the other side of the galaxy. Our ancestors, ancient Africans, wanted to understand the calamity that beset them tens of thousands of years ago, and tracked the path of the star Sirius in a generational project that started in the sahara by using astronomical markers all over the world in Nabta Playa, Stonehenge, Easter Island, Egypt, China, Mesoptamia, Olmec, Mayan, Inca, and tyhe mounds of the Americas to calculate the universal year. The Mayans only ended their calendar, a calender taught to them by ancient Africans, because it was the end of the universal year, and because they were unable to go forward because they murdered their teachers. Man’s present effects on global warming started only relatively recent starting in the industrial age about 250 years ago, and if anything has helped to accelerate global warming and climatic changesthat was already in the process thousands of years prior. Going green, burning less and less fossil fuels that increases the cabonization of the atmosphere, will slow the process for the next 25,920 years that our children will enjoy. it will break America’s addiction to oil and china’s addiction to coal.

    • johninPCFL

      The solar system makes one trip about the milky way every 240 million years or so, and the wobble of the galaxy in and out of the cosmic debris is of a comparable period. We are currently nowhere near the galactic plane projection.

      “Scientific studies indicate that the solar system lies at least several dozen light-years north of the galactic plane, possibly farther. What’s more, we are continuing to travel northward, away from the plane of our Milky Way galaxy, at some 7 kilometers per second. Therefore, we won’t be physically passing through the galactic plane in 2012 or anytime in the near future.”

  • wschaeff

    Why don’t you point out that our Patrician “friend” (Romney) wants to gut FEMA the very gov’t. entity that is doing something for those battered by Sandy. I have seen only one article, and that from the Wash. Post, pointing this out. Where are all the Obama supporters??? Sandy gives us the opportunity to best point out how out of touch with the general population Romney is. He and his other 1%’ers can handle a wipout the rest of the poipulation needs help to get back on their feet!

    • sigrid28

      We can’t all be reading and listening everywhere at the same time. Romney’s insensitive threat to fire FEMA has been repeated ad nauseam this week in the mainstream media. He was asked about it repeatedly by reporters and finally put out a statement that–you guessed it–walked back the threat, as best he could. Whether rain or shine, he is untrustworthy.

  • People live and think in such limited time periods. A year is a long time, a decade is even longer and a century is not a time period so much as it’s a page in the history books. Few have the vision and desire to look ahead. Too many are just interested in the corporate remuneration for delaying something that doesn’t produce monetary gain. That’s the basic problem with the government working on climate change.

    We elect congress men to terms of only a very few years and they see their long term goal to be something that can produce results during their term in office in order to get re-elected.

  • FredAppell

    If we all really stop to think about it, all of the republican arguments over the years have had one common element, money!!!!! Almost every policy they support or don’t support has to do with money. We are always hearing them espousing the mantra nothing is free. Gee really! I didn’t know nothing is free. Wow! up until now I was wondering why my money kept disappearing. I guess we really do learn something new everyday. Republicans are so obsessed with money and the cost of things that some really important legislation that benefits everyone is either sacrificed or outright ridiculed. Not all the laws that the dems pass are always good either but that is why government has the power to amend legislation. But of course when it comes to the military that is a different story. Hell! America can’t seem to build enough bullets and bombs fast enough to please the republicans no matter the cost. Just let all those lazy good for nothing people starve because we need more guns, tanks, planes, ships and bombs so we can destroy all the evil doers who are jealous of our way of life. That my friends is what this Tuesday is all about.

    • nobsartist

      money only matters to republiCONs when Dems control it.

      Otherwise, republiCONs spend money like drunken sailors so they can blame Dems for the problems they create.

      • FredAppell

        So true, especially if there are two words connected to their spending, weapons and wars. Their philosophy of peace through strength is nothing more than veiled intimidation. Liberals aren’t stupid and we are not weak (I Know i’m not). We know that there are better ways to spend the national treasury than making wars or bullying others countries into submission. After what happened this week I hear that Romney still doesn’t want FEMA to exist. These people are unbelievable.

        • nobsartist

          they are traitors.

          • FredAppell

            My good friend, they are much worse than traitors although I do agree with your direct assessment of them. They are actually parasites with insatiable appetites. See, history teaches us that even some traitors believe they were either wronged somehow or have a higher sense of purpose. These Republicans ( parasites) are out there telling everyone that they are of the latter.

          • Terrorists And Traitors To America And The American People!!!

          • FredAppell

            Now come on Fern that’s low calling them terrorists. I mean just because their two wars have killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians, leveled neighborhoods, displaced countless others not to mention the civilians who were killed by their own countrymen for cooperating with a foreign invader (America) and the starvation and the oh wait! yeah you’re right, terrorism fits the description perfectly.

          • nobsartist

            That is absolutely correct. They are parasites and they are liars. They also refuse to take any responsibility for their actions.

            people that vote for parasites and traitors like willard deserve what they get.

  • Jack Wormer

    “When will politicians admit we can’t keep punishing the planet without consequences?”

    When politicians make such an admission, it still will NOT help the earth!
    As long as there are the three MAJOR World religions with their own agendas, the earth will keep on being punished UNTIL A POINT IS REACHED WHEREBY THIS WORLD AND ALL THAT’S IN IT WILL BE DESTROYED…THUS PROVING BIBLICAL PROPHESIES!

    Mankind will need to break the hold of Religion if it wants to ensure a sustainable economy and by that a BALANCED NATURE…

    • sigrid28

      Or we could just be tolerant of other religions.

  • Jack Wormer

    …THUS PROVING BIBLICAL PROPHESIES!

  • onedonewong

    Once again we hear from the chicken little “the shy is falling ” crowd. Weather is cycleptical and repetitive. The current cycle is and was predicted and its mimicking the weather phenomena from the 1960’s. To claim that is due to global warming is utter nonsense.

    • johninPCFL

      Sorry, the current weather patterns eclipsed the worst of the 1960s some years ago.

      Whether the current weather patterns are due to warming is a relevant question. Whether the earth is warmer now than at any time since we began keeping records is not. Records say it is.

      • onedonewong

        The current weather patterns have eclipsed the 1960’s HUH?????? That’s nothing but conjecture on your part. Once again the chicken little crowd
        There are NO independent records that say any such thing. What todays records say is that temperature is up where the monitoring is being done. But these locations have all been been modified over time via the population and physical structures. The monitoring being done today is nothing but a waste of time and $$$

        • johninPCFL

          Well, let’s see. There is a database maintained by NOAA containing records dating to 1851.

          Then there’s Accuweather, which lists 5 storms for the 1960s, five for the 70s, six for the 80s, 11 for the 90s. 11 seems to be bigger than five, but you be the judge.

          • onedonewong

            Accuweather lists 5 storms?? I have no clue to what your point is. However the worst years for hurricanes are
            11 in 1950
            12 in 1969
            11 in 1995
            10 in 1999
            15 in 2005
            12 in 2010
            From the data base there is absolutely nothing showing any change in the number or intensity of Hurricanes ties to man made global warming. Hence the proper name of chicken littles for the warmers ad their disciples

          • johninPCFL

            How many $50Billion storms were there in 1969?

          • onedonewong

            Everything is relative. $50 billion today was 2 or 3 billion in the 1960’s. Besides the damage estimates are NYC and Newark both areas are hardly known for their integrity and those numbers has about 80% water in them. Most of the beach homes were nothing more than shacks and could be rebuilt using non union labor for less that $20,000 apiece

          • johninPCFL

            How many? Sounds like you’re saying “none”.

            Seems like Andrew and Sandy were more severe then?

          • onedonewong

            No I’m saying it has to be adjusted for the relative cost of the dollar.and the integrity of people making the claims

          • johninPCFL

            So do the adjustment. It still works out to none, I bet.

          • onedonewong

            Look at NO billions of govt spending to rebuild all the levees. rather than just stopping and letting nature take its course. now we have the beaches homes in NY and NY they should all be burned and not allow people to rebuild.
            Some states are responsible about future spending and some are not. In NC if your beach home falls in that’s it the state takes over the lot and you walk away with a handful of sand. Nothing approaching the money that is going to be wasted on Sandy

          • johninPCFL

            Yea, NO was stupid.

            In NY that will be insco money spent rebuilding shoreline homes. FEMA money spent on supplies, rescue manpower, etc. will be lost. FEMA money spent on infrastructure repairs is reimbursed by the state to the fedgov.

            The FEMA money spent on individuals is reimbursed from the insco payouts. I just had relatives go through that in north FL. The FEMA money was much faster arriving than the insco money, but the insco sent a check to fedgov for the FEMA money.

            So if I understand your argument here, the state can effectively steal your property even if you’ve insured it?

          • onedonewong

            Steal you property?? No its removed for any future inhabidents. They make it ineligible for future flood and hurricane insurance making the property worthless.
            This country spends Billions every year on beach replenishment that have to be done every 5 years. FOR what?? Nature needs to be allowed to take its course. Especially when you have so called “private beaches” that are restored with federal $$$
            What should happen is 1 bite of the apple a home is rebuilt with insurance $$ after that its on the owner since the insurance is subsidized by the taxpayers.

          • johninPCFL

            Your comment was that the property would be taken over by the state and they’d get nothing. Sounds a lot like stealing to me.

            In FL the beach replenishment is done to promote the businesses that rely on tourism. Since they pay taxes every year, can’t some be used to keep the businesses alive?

            In FL, you can have your house rebuilt once. You don’t get a third chance. You still own the property, but you have to remove the debris and leave it barren.

          • onedonewong

            Stealing that’s your judgement no different then Barak took over the auto companies and confiscated bond holders $$ and gave it to the unions.
            The size scope and cost of beach replenishment far exceeds what those businesses pay in taxes, besides its not local taxes paying for it its the taxpaers of the country as barak has said “they didn’t Build that tourist business

    • nobsartist

      I presume that you got this tid bit of info from your buddy god or something like that?

      you know first hand that even though sea levels are rising and the ice sheild is just about gone that there is no such thing as global warming?

      lets talk about “cycles”. since we have been keeping records for only about one hundred years or so, tell me about “cycles”.

      your statement is nothing more than utter nonsense.

      • onedonewong

        I wish it was. But it came from mere mortal the weather service and has been echoed many times over the past 5 days.
        The chicken little crowd said in the 1960’s that we were entering a little ice age, then it was the world can’t feed its self and now global warming. Your acting as if a 1 to 2 degree change in temp would be a bad thing…or a 1-2 degree drop in temp would be a good thing. Temp change has been around since the earth was created and will continue until the earth explodes As for cycles I pointed out that the weather pattern that we are currently in occurred in the 1960’s and I’m sure it will replicate its self in another 40 years.
        Your rebuttal is just more of the chicken little crowd and al gore making billions over carbon credits.

        • nobsartist

          If there was a consensus on this it would be one thing but with bush ordering scientists to change their opinions, it puts the ostrich crowd in a bad position to defend an indefensible position.

          • onedonewong

            Just as we have obama feeding then frenzy with conjecture and scientists hiding data to prove their bias. It places the chicken little crowd on the masseuse table with big AL

          • nobsartist

            Tingbodong? All you did was twist my words around and add Obama.

            Come up with something to support your position or go argue with someone on fox entertainment for example.

          • onedonewong

            No I made sense out of an illiterate post

  • LOL, all this and the republicans in North Carolina want to pass a law, outlawing climate change and rising sea level. This would allow developers to disregard coastal regulations in developing shore line property. Who’s going to pick up the tab when a storm surge washes their development away?

    • sigrid28

      It won’t be FEMA if Mitt Romney has anything to do with it.

  • I don’t know where you get that from, but you should bring it back. Believe what you’d like. I’m not trying to convince you of something that already exists. I wouldn’t care if you took it or threw it away, but you and everyone else should know what is actually going on before you go off the deep end or project some hypothesis lousy with agenda. 240 million years? Really?

  • rustacus21

    As this excellent article points out, the damage is only now actually being assessed and as scientists start the task of picking apart all the data recorded, it may be that this may too set records for destructive force. What we’re failing to realize is that the root causes of Global Climate Change are rite in our households & driveways: our consumer products! At some point we going to run out of fossil fuels. The question therefore is, are we going to run out of pristine natural & life-sustaining natural habitat 1st? Some good data, for those w/the patience to wade thru it, is at: > http://wwwdotclimatewatchdotnoaadotgov/article/2009/an-upwelling-crisis/2 <, for details on what's actually happening to the oceans world-wide & some of the implications. There are current alternatives to petroleum & their by-products, plastics, which will save on the 100 + gallons of water required to process a single gallon of gasoline. This waste contributes to water shortages as the XL Pipeline project is going 4ward – YES – the same XL Pipeline that will be siphoning water from the huge multi-state aquifer in the western plains states that is currently RUNNING DRY. As a political question, we definantly need Liberal/Progressive solutions which will inject renewable energy options into the mix, which translates in2 brand new jobs in this untapped market. What's the holdup? The fossil fuel industry. As I say, Liberal/Progressive solutions, coming from a Liberal/Progressive Congressional/Senate majority will act immediately. HINT-HINT!!! Time is of essence, as Hurricane Sandy has shown us. Nature obviously isn't going to debate w/us about this, so…

  • Even the Bible says they are polluting the earth, these are Evangelist that proclaim hoax, don’t they read the Bible?

  • Hooray! Americans are waking up.

  • jimbush

    Insurance data shows that storms are becoming more damaging, because more CO2 means warmer air and rising sea levels.

  • bcarreiro

    end times , end times.

  • dancer553

    Perhaps we should not build along the coast lines where disasters occur so frequently and we have to pay to rebuild. Like that would ever happen. Nature happens and has been happening long before man arrived on the scene- we just happen to be in the way. Do we have an impact, probably, enough to cause major changes? that is the big question and is debatable. Do we need to be considerate of our environment, of course but building on coast lines , below sea level, or on earthquake fault lines is maybe not so smart.

    • idamag

      dancer, parts of Utah are plagued by mudslides that destroy homes. That is pretty far inland. And, if you live between the Dakotas the Washing state, there is going to be a caldera that will wipe out an entire region. That is inland. If you live in the midwest, there has been and will continue to be tornados that wipe out homes. Pretty far inland there. There is the San Andreas fault that is still slipping and that will, not only affect California, but it runs all the way form the California coast to Canada.

  • idamag

    Onddone has already let his racism slip on another board.

  • onedone: Never mind Fern; HE is just a stupid, crazy MAN …

  • Fred: STFU, you idiot SOCIALIST !!!

  • RobertCHastings

    Global warming, evolution, stem-cell research,the existence of possibly-life-sustaining extra-terrestrial planets, the effect of solar flares on earthly communications, and an endless number of other scientifically demonstrated phenomena bring into question the sanity if not the probity of the deniers of science. When is the last time (in recorded or geologic history) that the NY, NJ, PA, MD, OH, VA, WV area has been struck in successive hurricane seasons with massive and deadly storm? There have been times in the past 100 years when this country’s breadbasket has been hit with serious drought, when the mid-section of the country has suffered serious flooding, when end to end this country has experienced extreme weather phenomena. However, for those who have been watching and listening, the incidence of severe weather outbreaks just seems to be getting more frequent and more severe.
    One of the worst tornado outbreaks eveer in this country occurred about sixty years ago, before there were early warning radar or sirens. The number of tornadoes and their severity during that outbreak surpassed anything previously. However, even with the improvements in detection and warning, over the past two years there have been more tornadoes, again, than ever before, and in places where they rarely occur. Is this just a climatic cycle, or could our impact on our environment possibly have something to do with it?
    One of the most beloved and respected religious writers of the previous century, C.S. Lewis(of Narnia fame) predicted a modern world just like ours led by people who put greed and ignorance ahead of reason and faith. While he wrote his Perelandra series over 60 years ago, they sure sound prophetic to me.

  • jarheadgene

    “Kick the can down the road….” like the Israel issue…as ROMNEY likes to say

  • jarheadgene

    ONE Done WRONG…….you certainly have done wrong. I have almost always had some disdain form many of your comments…but the following, from you, expose a darker very deep rooted racism. YOU SAID:

    “The fix is easy, end section 8 housing, foodstamps and the rest of the wasteful social spending. That will reduce gasoline consumption as well as oil and electricity which will heal the earth. The problem didn’t start until all the give aways started

    Expand The 53% who pay taxes are going to demand a lessor standard of living for you and yours unless they start pushing the wagon. The days of the vast majority of colored being on handouts is over”

    “COLORED” REALLY? There is a term I haven’t heard since 1964 and then only by old white ladies. Back then you probably flung the N word around. Your writings suggest you think the world should be what was FALSELY displayed in 1950 and 60’s TV sitcoms. Sorry not only did that world never truly exist, it never will.

  • Your political system is toxic down there in the USA. We have a climate denying government in Canada too but they are given their courage from the big guys down south.
    The US is leading the rest of the world into the biggest disaster since the dinosaurs disappeared but this time it will be human civilization (plus thousands of other species) that will go down the plug hole.
    Pity, we could have done so much better.

    • what happens when all the dynosaurs dissapear. We will hsve no oil left. God saw to it that the end wouldf come either naturaslly or with His help.

  • Yes, and we are in for alot more storms, hurricane, eaerthquakes and tornado as well as water spouts.

  • RobertCHastings

    So you really believe that there is no scientific evidence supporting the theory of global warming? None is so blind as he who will not see. How long has it been since NY and NJ and the entire northeast of this country were hit, in successive years, by such terrific storms as Irene and Sandy? Of course, that doesn’t mean that global warming really exists, but it does seem, at the very least, a highly unlikely coincidence. In a recent issue of Rolling Stone, the very real arguement was made that the fossil fuel industry has so much invested in resources at hand that they cannot afford to NOT use them. And, if the current reserves of coal are used, at the current pace, the average temperature of the planet will rise by between 1 – 2 degrees celsius over the next thirty years, a point at which there very well may be no further point in even mentioning the issue, because we will be beyond the point of no return. Of course, this is just a theory, come on by scientists who are fallible, just like the rest of us.
    As for the thing on Russia, who IS running the country? The only people who have the power to do anything are organizations like Gazprom, their energy consortium. And, since oil is Russia’s chief revenue producer, these guys are very wealthy, and very powerful. There are others, but try googling that one. You may be surprised.

  • RobertCHastings

    Try “oligarchy” and “Gazprom” in connection with Russia. Where is the connection with China and Cuba? They are both communist. I must say I appreciate your reading my other posts – at least you might learn something other than blind obedience to Rush L:imbaugh and Glen Beck. Of course you have your right to disagree with the theory of global warming as there is no more evidence for that than for evolution or the value in research with stem cells