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Thursday, October 27, 2016

The Big Lie: The president believes in “redistribution,” which is against free market principles.

The Truth: Both parties believe in redistribution – it’s just that Republicans want to redistribute upward.

What do you do when a secret video shows your candidate disparaging about half of the American electorate as self-pitying “victims” who cannot be convinced to take responsibility for their lives?

After Mitt Romney basically affirmed that the leaked video reflected his views in a not-so-elegant way, his campaign — aided by the Drudge Report, Fox News and the rest of the vast right-wing media complex — decided to focus on another video that supposedly shows the president in 1998 saying he’s for “redistribution.”

Typically, the old Obama video was edited to leave out the section where he clarifies what he meant when he said, “… I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody’s got a shot.” He went on to say:

How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities?

Basically, the president was saying he believes in some redistribution, in ways that increase competition.

Who else believes in this strange concept?

Anyone who says “you’re passing on debt to your grandkids” and thus acknowledges that as a nation, we share debt — and that debt will have to be paid by other Americans — understands redistribution. Anyone who believes in a progressive tax system in which those who earn the most should pay the highest tax rates believes in redistribution. Anyone who believes that Social Security and Medicare should keep the national promise to elderly Americans who have outlived their contributions is swearing by redistribution.

Two-thirds of working class whites — Mitt Romney’s coveted base — believe that taxes on those earning $1 million or more should be raised. Social Security and Medicare as they’re currently structured are two of the most popular things the American government does.

And you know who else believes in redistribution of wealth? Mitt Romney.

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  • bcarreiro

    how bout we redistribute the republicans back to the middle class to give a hand up to the poor and we the people can put a petition for motion to abolish the republican party altogether.

  • 1980-2009–20 years of three R presidents
    took 600B budget to 3500B(less wjc itsy)
    1000B debt to 10,000B
    surplus to 1400B Deficit
    Carter 218,000 jobs per month down to 99,000
    initiated our involvement in 10 foreign conflicts
    Carter + Clinton =O
    Great Recession
    Had recession in all or part of 7 of 20 years
    Smashed S&L Industry–Housing Industry-Banking Industry

    Want more of that??

    Romney ad states Obama increased debt by 5Trillion. LIE.
    Bush last budget ended 9-30-09 with a Debt of 11,900B
    Current Debt is 16,000B.
    Increase of 4100B. Most the result of Bush programs.
    Bush Tax Cuts–Two Wars—Part D Medicare
    CBO reported that 2001-2010 Bush “New” programs added 5100B
    and Obama “New” programs added 1300B.

    Bush tax cuts cost $1900B– 2001-2010 -over ten years.

    Sad part is Top 1% gained 37.6% and Top 5% gained 48.3%
    and bottom 60% gained 16.5%.

    Romney has the ignorance to attack that 60%.
    He is proposing Tax Cuts where the top will get a $250,000 tax cut.

    The Top 10% need a Tax Increase not a Tax Cut.
    The top 10% need a larger tax on their Estates.
    It is shameful when one family, Walton, has more wealth than 90% of the families.

    It is unAmerican plus unlike Christlike to enrich the rich more when we have 46 Million getting Food Stamps and unemployed or under employed at highest since Great Depression.

    We need jobs, higher pay for workers, health insurance, and pensions for all workers which is what built the great American Middle Class and gave us a happy society.
    Clarence Swinney ticked off

    1.From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003
    2.Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
    3.Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
    4.Per Year Average—Democrats 1,825,000–Republicans 856,000. WOW
    5.Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
    6.Republicans had a recession/depression in 177 months and Democrats in 32 months. WOW.
    ——————Each “significant” one was under a R president————————-
    7.DOW—1928 to 2003—Stock market gained 11% average per year under D presidents versus 2% under R presidents. Small Cap stocks gained 18% as yearly average under D and minus 3% under R
    8.GDP—grew by 43% more under Democrats. WOW
    9.Income Growth—1948-2005–each increased (percentage wise)under D presidents over R presidents by these numbers– Quintiles–(Top-10%)–(2nd-71%)-(third-127%)-(fourth-212%)-(fifth-550%) WOW

    source–TimothyNoah– Nov. 2010 in Slate magazine
    Question—Why would a working person vote for a Republican for President?
    Shhh do not awaken democratic leadership!

    2009–9000B individual income —paid 11.06% tax rate—borrowed 1400B–are we nuts?
    top 50% f 138,000,000 workers got 86.5% of the income–paid 12.5% tax rate(borrowed 1400B)
    70,000,000 got 13.5% paid 1.85% tax rate..   no dough no pay
    We continue to be stupid—an anti Christ Mormon proposes Tax Cuts like Bush which cost us debt of 2000B from 2001 to 2010– and –1% got 37.6%–5%got 48.5%—20% got 68.5%—-Bottom 60% got 16.4%.–
    An anti-Christ Moron Mormon proposes:
    “My first act wil be to defund Planned Parenthood”—anti Christ act—PP prevents more abortions than any unit–It provides health care services to millions of POOR women..Jesus type organization
    :MY first act  will be to repeal Obamacare”–many presidents have failed to reform health care runaway costs
    enriching the medical profession. Eliminate Medicare there will be fewer doctors remaining only for the Rich.
    How can he repeal a law without approval of Congress??
    “I will repeal the Dream Act”. This is a cruel human?
    Anti Christ Mormon in power means  enrich the rich ditch the rest outsource our industries as has been done since 1980 Let free market roll and Capital take all the wealth and Labor take the shaft.
    Not a pretty past 30 years nor future 20 years unless we put Democrats in total power  to increase the median wage with minimum wages—health care–pensions–fair share of profits by workers. The middle class has retained a fair standard of living via Debt debt not from earnings as in the past.
    2012 is also wall street ultra rich vs middle class standard of living. Back to 1945-1980 tax code
    of 50% + tax on estates and incomes. Raise wages of 70,000,00 workers=demand-=jobs
    will give us a healthier economy and society.

    • Sand_Cat

      Basing this election on religious prejudice and identity is a sure way to lose, especially when lots of “Christians” seem to agree with Mr. Romney (Paul Ryan claims to be a Catholic Christian, and, if anything, he’s worse).

  • Lisztman

    We could make a good start by redistributing Mr. Ryan to the UFO portion of Area 51. Along with his budget proposals.

    • Sand_Cat

      Why not send Romney and a host of other with him?

  • Redistribution, in the eyes of a Republican, is the audacity of the middle class to demand a more fair distribution of wealth. In the minds, the fact that 2% of Americans owned 60% of our financial wealth is perfectly fine and anyone who challenges the status quo is automatically a socialist, a communist, or a traitor. The irony is that most Democrats are not asking for redistribution of what the wealthy have, but a return to the tax rates that existed in the Clinton era and the preservation of social programs that allow us to live with a modicum of comfort and dignity.

  • Unfortunately, the GOP has been most sucessful in doing so, as now the top 2% and 10% now own 44% and 90% of all of America respectively Considering that the 2% started out with only 8%, they can consider themselves to have accomplished their purpose.

    My only questions, is where are the jobs? Only half as many as the Democrats created? Why? Yet Romney and Ryan are all in to try it all over again.

  • More fact checking about the national debt: During the Bush 43 administration, the national debt rose by $6.1 TRILLION! And, since his party, the fascist, corrupt and greedy GOP, continued his Reverse Robin Hood fiscal policies after he left, he’s on the hook for President Obama’s “share” of the debt with a built-in $1.2 TRILLION yearly deficit….that means, by the end of this year, GW Bush’s contribution to the national debt will reach nearly $11 TRILLION! Of the current $16 TRILLION national debt, the last 3 GOP presidents are responsible for 90% of it! “Fiscal conservatives” my pasty white @$$! Don’t be fooled by the GOP’s pathetic lies…the GOP believes in redistribution, alright…UPWARD (Reverse Robin Hood) redistribution!

    If you’re an Independent or a GOP moderate, you should know that the GOP doesn’t represent your interests and you’re simply voting against your own interests when voting for Republican politicians. I’m not a Democrat; I’m a Progressive Non-Affiliated voter. What I care about is the TRUTH, something the GOP abandoned long ago. There should be a sign above the door of every building or office of the GOP that says, “Abandon TRUTH all ye who enter here”! If you truly want the fascist corporate plutarchs (the plutarchy that runs the GOP) to run this country, be my guest and vote for Republicans. If you like our country being a democracy, vote Democrat before and on 6 November, 2012!

  • doemland

    the arab spring was an example of redistribution going the wrong way. they protested food shortage and economic neglect.
    even the ancient Romans figured it out: ‘panem et circenses’
    give them bread and B.S.
    the “soon to be haves” are not going to sit still for ever.
    Joe Biden’s crack about slavery comes to my mind.
    we better dread an ‘American Spring’

  • daniel bostdorf

    It certainly is a lie.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Bonnie Kavoussi has written a scary column that we need to consider when thinking about the ramifications of Romney/Ryan at the helm of the economy.

    Her article raises the spector of a possible tyrant like Adolf Hitler rising to power.

    She states:

    Ray Dalio, one of the world’s richest hedge fund managers, fears that the weak economy could have disastrous social consequences. Specifically, he’s worried about the possibility of a tyrant like Adolf Hitler rising to power.

    “When people get at each other’s throat, the rich and the poor and the left and the right and so on, and you have a basic breakdown, that becomes very threatening,” Dalio, who founded Bridgewater Associates, where he remains co-chief investment officer, told CNBC anchor Andrew Ross Sorkin in an interview aired on Friday.

    “For example, Hitler came to power in 1933, which was the depth of the Great Depression because of the social tension between the factions.”

    Dalio warned that “another leg down in the economies” could cause “social disruptions,” but did note that citizens can prevent the rise of another Hitler if they “work through this together.”

    Dalio, who is worth an estimated $10 billion, is not the only financier worried about social unrest. George Soros, another billionaire who made his fortune in the hedge fund industry, has repeatedly warned of the possibility of social unrest as governments around the world slash spending even as unemployment remains high.

    I vote for Obama who believes that we need to stop the abuses of the wealthy. The Koch brothers and the billionaire super-pacs trying to buy the election.

    Karl Rove is the equivalent of Joseph Goebbels.

  • kfreed

    On another note… why the GOP obsession with shredding Social Security and Medicare? These are earned benefit programs that we pay into all our lives, so I’m not sure how these programs qualify as “redistribution.”

    That goes for health care as well… we’ll pay for it, so what has Obamacare got to do with “taking” from the wealthy?

    How about the fact that those of us who are NOT wealthy pay taxes into a system that hands most of it to Wall Street banksters, huge corporations, and defense contractors?

    Tea party Republicans don’t appear to have a problem with wealthcare… it’s just that food stamps and programs for the poor keep them up at night. Why is that?

    Greedy buggers.

  • 13observer

    It is funny to see how what Obama says is “spun” to reflect a positive while Romney’s 47% comment wasn’t given the chance to explain that he wasn’t worried about influencing their votes…………but the democrats “redistributed” his statement to mean he didn’t care about them in particular! I suppose they influenced all the idiots out there with their “lynch mob mentality” but anyone with half a brain didn’t buy it! 47% is a conservative number when it come to people that want something for nothing from our government………….so……………I would say he “underestimated” the number of “takers” especially if you include illegal alien criminals!

  • 13observer