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Monday, September 26, 2016

As a matter of history, black Americans — at least those who were allowed to vote — were Republicans for decades after the Civil War. But some found Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal attractive, and most found Lyndon Johnson’s support for civil rights irresistible. They left the Republican Party.

And they’ve stayed away since the 1960s, alienated by the GOP’s Southern strategy of race-baiting and pandering to the prejudices of right-wing neanderthals. If you wonder why black voters believe the Republican Party trades in the rankest bigotry, look no further than the reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict among conservative commentators. It’s been appalling.

Let me be clear: It’s perfectly reasonable to believe the Zimmerman jury arrived at the only acceptable verdict. Many analysts, including some black commentators, have stated that the prosecution simply did not prove its case.

But several conservative pundits have gone well beyond reason, smearing Trayvon Martin, indicting his friends and elevating Zimmerman to sainthood. They’ve shown a callous disregard for the grief that still envelops Martin’s parents. They’ve suggested that whites are more likely to be the victims of discrimination in the criminal justice system than blacks.

And those commentators, luminaries such as Rush Limbaugh, are widely regarded as leading representatives of the GOP. How could it be otherwise when Republican pols kowtow before them, engage them as campaign surrogates and dare not criticize them?

Thoughtful Republicans — the moderates and right-leaning modernists who accept diversity — need to convene a meeting to take their party back and restore the brand to its pre-1960s luster. They ought to name their group “Republicans Against Racism.”

They will have to be prepared to call out and criticize the insensitive claptrap and vitriolic nonsense that gets bandied about not only by Limbaugh, but also by other well-known conservative pundits, many of whom have been in the ugly business of dehumanizing and defaming the young Martin since his death drew public attention last year. They have portrayed Martin as a thug, a drug addict, a predator who deserved to die.

To stick with a prominent example, Limbaugh recently dedicated a show to mocking prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel — whom Martin talked to on his cellphone as Zimmerman followed him. Limbaugh claimed that Martin was a homophobe who “attacked” Zimmerman, believing he was a “pervert.”

Have there been similarly outrageous comments from talking heads on the left? Of course. The verdict has prompted name-calling, hot-headed denunciations and racial demagoguery from a lot of folk who ought to know better.

  • Daniel L.Phillips

    Rush– That’s like saying some blacks joined fire companies.. bigots in where? They’re who? Give us a break.. One reason now some forty years or longer and counting. They encourage and support healthy industries from exploiting labor.. Union labor or unorganized.. They permit a series of loopholes to encourage growth and jobs at the expense of paying Taxes.. Our government talks the talk then looks the other way. Where’s big mouth Rush on the Artic drilling? Where’s big mouth Rush on things that are traditionally Republican platforms.. I’ll give you a hint.. Hiding behind their pain pills.

  • itsfun

    Its a good thing there are no commentators on the left saying nasty things about the right.

    • highpckts

      Well please point out something “nice” we can say about the right!! You’re going to have to do some real searching!!

    • old_blu

      I think you’re mistaken I always call them lazy SOB’s.
      If you can think of something nice for me to say about them and I agree, I’ll say it.

    • plc97477

      That’s why I like the left so much more.

  • AlfredSonny

    With Rush Bimlaugh and Faux News around, America is not ready to have the Stand Your Ground rule.

  • AlfredSonny

    Psychology 101: When Bimbo talks about Harry, actually Bimbo talks about Bimbo.

  • actionjacks7

    Hmmmmmm,,, wonder why Limbaugh and Hannity are still living…….

    • Siegfried Heydrich

      ‘Only the good die young’?

  • old_blu

    I have been trying to stay out of the Trayvon Martin story, but here is what I think.

    I think the USA judicial system worked, not that I agree with the verdict, (I didn’t agree with the verdict in the Casey Athony, or OJ cases either) but the jury did what they had to do, and it was a difficult job for them to do, the prosecution didn’t prove their case and that’s how it goes, what I don’t agree with is the fact that now there are people on here and other places (even media personalities) that are bad mouthing Trayvon and making him out to be a horrible “drug addict, a thief, a thug” and these are the things that piss me off because he was just a young man on his way home, he wasn’t breaking any laws. So why are people making him out to be a thug?

    • Lonnie Avery

      So why are people making him out to be a thug? ….to justify his death!

      • old_blu

        Exactly my friend. And it’s horribly wrong.

      • FredAppell

        To justify their cherished “Stand Your Ground Law”. Remember, “To the victor writes the history”. Someday soon the accepted history may go something like this, George Zimmerman successfully protected himself
        from a young man intent on doing him harm. In order for them to push that lie, they need to reinvent Trayvon Martin and that is why they are making such strong efforts. I suspect that the NRA may be aiding in the effort. To the NRA this is not about Black on white, their only concern is to protect their precious gun rights.

        • Lonnie Avery

          That sounds about Right! Fred. i’ll just say the “media” did a great job preparing Juror’s and the country by being quite unreasonable before the trial began.

          Don’t know much about Florida manslaughter laws, but if it is a question of “Reasonable Doubt” any lawyer worth is fees will lie and spin the evidence and get an acquittal . Reasonable Doubt always favors the defense.

          • FredAppell

            I’m glad you brought up the media. I’ve been criticizing the media for sometime now. They also helped blow the Casey Anthony case. I wonder if these trial outcomes are often a push back against the media’s distortions and constant reporting, I suspect so.

          • RobertCHastings

            A few years ago, an American college student in Italy, Amanda Knox, was basically convicted in the media in Italy. When her case finally got to court, she was convicted on “evidence” that was contaminated and, in instances, non-existent. As we all know, a higher court has subsequently overturned that conviction and she is back home in the US. Unfortunately, the case is being revisited in Italy and they want her to go back. Were I her, I would not get anyplace near Italy, or Florida.

        • RobertCHastings

          Not their gun RIGHTS, but their gun SALES. Since the election of a black president, gun sales have skyrocketed in an industry that was becoming moribund. States around the country, under the urging of the NRA and their legislative allies ALEC have put into place laws that reduce effective gun control, put guns into the hands of those who should not have access to them, and are increasing the likelihood of an innocent person being shot anywhere in his community, legally, by pretty much anyone who can obtain a concealed carry weapon permit. While guns are proliferating, so are the hate and white supremacist groups who will resort to violence under the urgings of Rush, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and dozens of others when they feel their sovereignty is threatened.

          • FredAppell

            You nailed it, it’s really all about making money. It truly cheapens
            the human experience and what it means to exist when there is money to be made from life and death. What the hell is wrong with us or are we actually in hell?

          • RobertCHastings

            Many would say, with some justification, that we make our own hell.

          • FredAppell

            I have been there and there is some truth to that justification but sometimes it is simply the role of the dice.

          • RobertCHastings

            Still not over it? It is soothing to say that time heals all wounds, but it ain’t necessarily so. Good luck, my friend.

          • FredAppell

            Actually, it’s hard to say. Most times I choose to use it as a tool for learning but there are scars. Thank you for your kind word, I’ll get over it someday. FYI Robert, those scars are the sole source of that self confidence issue I told you about earlier. Peace brother!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Are we in Hell?

            Mankind creates his own hell. He don’t need any help doing it either.

          • FredAppell

            Yep! It’s hell, I’m sure of it. But that’s subjective isn’t it? One person’s hell is another’s paradise I suppose. It’s even tolerable
            on some days…it really depends on how much bad news there is on any given day and to what extent. Personally, my life isn’t all that bad, I would describe it as agreeable to my currant stage in life. That sounds so cold doesn’t it? I didn’t mean it that way lol. By the way Michael, your comment is frighteningly true.

          • Fern Woodfork

            In Hell With Gasoline Underwear On!! 🙁

          • idamag

            One month after Obama’s election, hate groups doubled. See “Southern Poverty Law Center” who monitors hate groups in the United States.

          • RobertCHastings

            Some scary stuff, isn’t it? These are folks who, reason should tell, should not have guns.

          • BDC_57

            And most of them have attach ther self to the teaparty.

      • InsideEye

        Why are they making George Zimmerman into a racist, when he tutored Black children , even went to the Prom with a hot Haitian. …probably trying to hide his gayness, as suggested by one of the key witnesses. Stupid NBC even tried to doctor up the telephone call to the police to indicate the Zimmerman was out stalking Blacks rather than possible intruders in the neighborhood . The media is shamefully complicit , duplicitous in propagating this story line to cover their exhuberance for fabricating a racial incident, that had no basis in fact. Even Travons parents agreed.

        • old_blu

          Wow! you sure read a lot more into what Lonnie said than I did. You do know that George was acquitted? So although I don’t agree with what MSNBC did. Why is that so important to you after the case went the way you wanted? Obviously it had no bearing on the outcome of the case.

          • InsideEye

            It is important because the media is still trying to put a charge of racism to him, also, the Dept of Justice is pushing to bring civil charges to keep this tripe going, also Obama recently gave a sloppy press conference essentially saying racism was a factor.
            I work in the Black community and it is sad to see people manipulated to think that Whites are Coon hunting, as someone posted. People like Sharpton, Jackson ,the media…..white at that and a few others propagate this rhetoric. I see Black families giving support to their children, working hard to have them attend the best schools to get them started in the right direction …this is what should be emphasized in the Black culture. Not gangsta ism. Men should stay with their progeny and give support. Colin Powell, Susan and Rice, Eric Holder, the Obama clan and hundreds of others have made it out of the gettos, many whites, Asians . It seems they made it , but seem afraid, to give the SAME direction to other Blacks as to what brings success. They seem afraid of criticism from their own people.
            It has to stop. The brother of George Zimmerman, gave a terrific response when questioned about Obamas press conference. It encapsulated what is lacking. …. A few days ago. A must. Many Blacks are still slaves …to themselves, they need motivating Black role models, that do exist, but are AFRAID TO LEAD. They have to lead and show what they can do , and not what they can not do. Non whites are not presenting obstacles. Black leadership is blinding their own people to opportunities..

          • old_blu

            I don’t approve of Obama taking sides on this issue either, and I agree with a lot of what you say, I didn’t know you were out to singlehandedly save the Black people of the world, I thought we were just talking about this case, and what MSNBC led people to believe didn’t make the outcome of this case any different than if they wouldn’t have said it.
            As far as civil suits it’s going to happen always does.

          • DurdyDawg

            Obviously the verdict didn’t go the way most would have wanted and because of it our separation has gone up another notch but the truth is, the verdict went the way it did and because of it, some (most) see it as the legal process as they would have accepted it had the verdict been ‘guilty’.. You can not say you respect the judicial system then when it fails to go your way, yell corruption.. You can only accept what due process has concluded.. Disagree certainly but don’t throw stones at those who accept the verdict right or wrong. It shows total disrespect for the laws of this nation. And I’ve also got to disagree with you.. What MSNBC and other media rags did certainly affected the verdict by the people who discovered the lies and manipulations that was intended to make an entire nation angry until the lie was discovered and it angered them as they felt they were being used, so for spite some changed their stance directly as a result of these lies because in a volley of lies wherein lies a truth?. All of us should demand the truth at all times from these establishments and refuse to further the profits of those who go against that rule.

          • old_blu

            I agree our justice system works, and not that I agree with the verdict it is what we have and we all should accept it and move on, it’s the same justice system we all have to deal with, except if you’re famous, rich, or a good athlete. Thank you Dawg what you say makes sense, I did not look at it that way, so the way you have put it will make me change my stance on that and I will not repeat that in that nature again.

            Although it still didn’t change the outcome I can see where it would create problems after the fact and that we can agree on now.

          • sigrid28

            In high schools these days, students are taught routinely to take with a grain of salt everything they see on the television news–or in any media. That is why I have taken to watching hearings for myself on C-Span and why I watched the actual court proceedings in the Trayvon Martin case. I also read a lot outside of media-based news; I try to read books and reviews of books, and research topics. One article helped me both understand why courts need to help victims achieve revenge without exacting it for themselves and why our judicial system may have become very unfair.

            “We tolerate a legal system where over 95 percent of all cases are resolved with a negotiated plea–bargained down from what the wrongdoer rightfully deserved. . . . Plea bargains . . .epitomize the degree to which our legal system has too little respect for victims and even less regard for the moral imperative that justice must be done under our laws. . . . A justice system that recognized the duty it owed to victims would not rely so heavily on this method of resolution, which casually distorts the truth and trivializes the remedy.” From “Eye for an Eye: The Case for Revenge” by law professor Thane Rosenbaum, The Chronicle Review, April 5, 2013.

            So there may be a very good reason for Americans to question the results of a trial in the U.S.: inequity built into the justice system itself.

            For the black community, statistics show proportionately higher rates of incarceration for black men and a higher rate of profiling resulting in arrest. Historically, the result in the Trayvon Martin case seems TO MANY as unfair as the results of the initial trial in which a white jury exonerated the men who killed three college students campaigning for civil rights in Mississippi many years ago–so many years ago, that we are horrified to find a southern white jury exonerating a white killer yet again, with the complicity of a mostly white local police force and all white prosecution, after first refusing to bring any case whatsoever. Many, many Americans are disgusted to see that the conditions in the South that brought about the Civil Rights Movement fifty years ago basically–apparently–have not changed.

          • plc97477

            In fact seem to be taking major steps backwards.

          • idamag

            yes

          • BDC_57

            It has sense the repugs took over congress.

          • Fern Woodfork

            You Got That Right My Friends!! And It Only Going To Get Worse!! Time To Get These Old Mafia Thugs Out Of Offices Come Next Year And Beyond!! Seem To Me They Are Out To Destroy This Country And Laughing All The Way To The Bank!! 🙁

          • BDC_57

            You got that right friend. Let’s kick ther asses in 2014.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Hell Yeah!!! Starting In September I Will Make It My Goal To Out Do Myself 224 Signed People Up To Vote In 2011/2012, I Vow To Myself To Get Even More People This Time Around!!! 🙂

          • RobertCHastings

            Plea bargaining occurs, in part, because the system is overtaxed, attorneys provided by the state are incompetent and/or inexperienced, and courts may insist on bargaining to ease the case load. As in the OJ case, the prosecutors in the Zimmerman case did a poor job, and the ability of his defense attorneys was obviously way above the ability of the attorneys for the state. Zimmerman’s face became the blood-soaked glove of the OJ case.

          • sigrid28

            Plea bargains may save time, but more often than you or I can imagine, a person who is innocent cannot find a defense attorney to help bring a case to trial and so HAS to accept a plea bargain. Some defense attorneys will accept even a $20,000 retainer and then refuse to line up witnesses or do the work required to try a case, in order to force a client, even one who is innocent, to accept a plea: they get $20,000 for getting a plea for a client who is completely innocent. I wonder how many people are in jail or prison because of these circumstances? I say, Republicans, fund the justice system so we don’t have to save time and money on the backs of innocent people.

            So not only do these lazy defense attorneys get fees for doing nothing, other attorneys specialize in getting the records of victims of unnecessary plea bargains expunged. However, this ties up a person’s ability to work for three years and costs several thousand dollars. To save money for workers in the legal system who are paid by the state or county or municipality, attorneys outside the system get to make themselves lots of money, which people must pay whether they are innocent or not.

          • RobertCHastings

            Funding the judicial system with public funds is a great idea. It would certainly level the playing field. Public funding of elections would do the same thing. However, since some people want to reduce the size of government and perpetuate a system that is inherently unequal, I don’t see either happening the near future.

          • sigrid28

            The state judiciary is already state funded, just as the appellate courts are and the U.S. judicial branch. Defense attorneys also work for the government to represent clients who cannot afford to pay their own counsel. The Sequester defunded some prosecutorial staff, for example, or put some of the people who run the court system on furlough (like bailiffs, etc.). Like the IRS, the judiciary system is a paid for by US. A better paid judiciary could do more to improve fairness, and ditto for the IRS.

          • RobertCHastings

            Not disagreeing with you. I should have said BOTH sides in such a dispute should be limited. The system itself breaks down when a defendant can buy a wonder team of lawyers and get off with murder(OJ). Of course, it didn’t hurt OJ that the prosecutors were incompetent and muffed it. Fairness requires that both sides are treated equally. Everything the state can accomplish by way of investigation and testing, etc. is SUPPOSED to be made available to the defense. Just as both sides in an election SHOULD operate with the same budget, and that should be very limited.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I agree completely.

          • RobertCHastings

            As a side-note, I think the manner in which judges are put into positions that are so life-changing for many people should be changed. Local and lower-court judges are generally elected, although in my state magistrates are appointed (political favor). Even State Supreme Court justices are elected. An elected judge is inherently biased, to those who supported him and to those who elected him. Federal judgeships are filled by political appointment, making them inherently biased, thus the battle for the presidency may come down to a consideration over who will make the better choices. During the vetting process for Supreme Court justices, over the past several decades every president except George W. Bush has at least asked the advice of the American Bar Association. Most have deferred to the judgement of this estimable group and appointed judges or scholars with high levels of experience and scholarship (that sort of sticks in my throat when I think about Clarence Thomas). There must be other groups available than can impartially evaluate candidates for such a high position with such great influence over the lives of all of us. Judges at ANY level who allow their personal values to intrude upon their required impartiality cause the system to break down and consequent loss of faith in the entire judicial, if not the legal, system. When the conservative Justices rendered the verdict in the 2000 election that gave Bush the presidency, the system was broken. When some of those same justices gave the judgement in the Citizens United case AND the recent revocation of part of the Voting Rights Act, it became apparent that the system is broken. And when you have a Chief Justice who bungles the presidential oath of office, one of his most important jobs, then the system is broken. When two opposing ideologies are battling over the composition of the highest court in the land, whose judgements are unassailable (until the composition of the Court itself is changed), entirely too much is riding on each appointment for this to be in the hands of partisan politicians. This is one reason Washington and other founders were so against the idea of political parties, although even back then there were decided differences in ideologies. I am unhappy with things the way they are; however, many wise men have recognized that, as messy as democracy is, it is still the best system there is.

          • sigrid28

            What a great post. Some countries have more than one judge in criminal courts, an interesting concept. Sometimes I think more should be done to educate specifically for judgeships–maybe some graduates of law school are better at judging than defending a case. We surely have come a long way in just the twentieth century from nineteenth century standards. I think for humans it is still a major problem at all stages of our lives: how to be fair.

          • charleo1

            Just to add. The O.J. case had a lot more to do with the
            credibility of the L.A. Police Dept. than the overwhelming
            evidence that Simpson butchered two people in cold blood.
            The defense was brilliant. A great example of the best team
            money, and a high profile case can provide. The case was
            also demonstrative, that the African American community
            Nationwide, almost unanimously, have a much different
            perception of law enforcement than White America.
            Not that they shouldn’t, or don’t have their good reasons.
            Prosecution show them the blood of all three, in O.J.’s
            Bronco. One bloody glove at the crime scene, one at
            Simpson’s house. The cut on Simpson’s hand. On, and
            on, the evidence went. Didn’t matter. The Black folk’s opinion? The Cops planted all of it. Not Guilty! It really was remarkable. And troubling.

          • RobertCHastings

            The OJ case clearly demonstrates the inequities in our system, and the clear issue of acquittal being bought.

          • Fern Woodfork

            I Believe O.J. Should Have Been Found Guilty !! But I Don’t Think He Did The Killing His Action Caused The Death!! There’s A Serial Killer On Death Row Said O.J. Paid Him To Get A Pair Of Earrings That Cost Him Over 50.000 Dollars!! Nicole And Ron Surprise Him Then He Killed Them!! 🙁

          • charleo1

            I had not heard that. It did seem he was the perfect example
            of a man who allowed his own pride, lead to a hatred that
            eventually ruined his charmed life. After the trial, as you know,
            he moved to S.Fl. The Police were constantly at his house.
            Domestic disputes, a road rage incident. Still, and always,
            with the drugs, right? The incident in Vegas, fit the pattern. Somebody had wronged him. Sound familiar? Everything
            was under the table, because he still owed on the civil suit.
            he was trying to dodge. Never mind the IRS. So, calling the cops, and taking whoever to court like a normal person, was out. So, he took his little band of shadies he had hand picked
            from the group of hangers on, famous people always attract.
            And, it was just a matter of time with the guy, was it not?

          • Fern Woodfork

            You Got That Right My Friend!! I Call It Karma!! 🙂

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Plea Bargaining occurs because IF the Defendant had a good attorney, they’d be found in most cases, not guilty. So to get at least something to stick, they, the System, overcharges and hopes one of the charges stick.

            It usually works too, because most defendants go to jail or prison. This is especially true if you had a bad attorney.

          • RobertCHastings

            There are several organizations, like The Innocence Project, who have determined that, along with the many other inequities in our legal system, plea bargaining is actually recommended by some public defenders(as well as prosecutors) to those who are innocent because they cynically them that it will prevent their being convicted on more serious charges. A former governor of Illinois (Ryan?), now in jail for corruption, placed a moratorium (still in place) on the death penalty because he recognized that it was utilized contrary to rules of fairness. A subsequent panel from Illinois found there were about two dozen issues relating to the death penalty as applied in Illinois that made it a biased tool of the state. Among the issues they found were police AND prosecutorial misconduct, an unequal use of it on blacks, an inordinate number of indigent defendants who received it, etc. ad nauseam. It has been at least a dozen years since this study done, and it becomes more apparent every week that innocence is no guarantee of a Not Guilty verdict.

          • idamag

            I don’t respect the judicial system when it fails to protect our citizens.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            The only thing the justice system protects is their own interest.

          • bhaggen

            But didn’t the judicial system protect a citizen from unfounded charges of stalking & murder? Huh Ida-douche-bag?

          • RobertCHastings

            Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law will be struck down when it is determined that it causes more violence than it prevents, and when it is determined that it has no basis in Constitutional or Common Law. However, what recourse will Trayvon Martin have. Zimmerman cannot be retried, and Martin cannot be resurrected (well, at least we won’t see it). So, as you say, it is a moot issue.

        • idamag

          If gz was not a racist, he profiled TM when he made the statement, “Those a-holes always get away.” He profiled him when he said TM was walking slowly and therefore suspicious.

          • InsideEye

            “Those” is not a euphemism for anything, except my relatives. Walking slowly is not a characteristic of any race, except my relatives. Those ” could refer to anything…kids, getting away with crimes since they are youthful offenders. Also there is nothing wrong with profiling ….we do it all the time. Even the admirable Jesse Jackson , who remarked while walking in a dark neighborhood, “I feel much safer if someone following me is a white man”. I get stopped many times by police because I am indistinguishable from Neanderthals at times. There are hallmark characteristics and mannerisms that evoke emotions. Both TM and GZ were in situations where the expectation was high for a confrontation. We can sense things from our own experiences. TM may have thought he was found out slinking about, and GZ was doing his duty as a neighborhood watch person. Things rapidly could have gotten out of control, unfortunately.

          • RobertCHastings

            The point idamag made, very simply, was that Zimmerman profiled Martin as a person who was acting suspiciously because he was walking slowly. He made his feelings known in his call to 911, and thereby his intent when he left his car, armed.

          • boombids

            Those who had all the information, namely the jury found him not guilty. End of story. We are a nation of laws, thank goodness for the double jeopardy law. Otherwise we have mob rule every time we do not like the verdict.

          • boombids

            Those who had all the information, namely the jury found him not guilty. End of story. We are a nation of laws, thank goodness for the double jeopardy law. Otherwise we have mob rule every time we do not like the verdict.

          • RobertCHastings

            One of the jurors, the only one who upon the first vote during deliberations, spoke out today. As she saw the facts of the case, Zimmerman was guilty. However, as the law reads in Florida, she, against her better judgement, was required to find Zimmerman Not Guilty. When a law that is in place to PREVENT violence ends up actually resulting in the legalization of violence, then something is seriously wrong.

          • idamag

            I don’t know if they have invented cell phones where you live, but people walking and talking on cell phones, here, do walk slowly. As far as I know walking slowly is not a justifiable homicide offense.

          • InsideEye

            Actually we do have cell phones now, and in NYC it is a justifiable homicide offense to walk slowly, it is also suicidal, with no empathy, when some walk into moving vehicles or manholes, while engrossed in conversation.

            It is unfortunate there were no witnesses to answer all of our questions. We are trying to justify the good / bad intentions of both Travon and George.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Point well taken.

            There are NO reliable witnesses. And, since Travon is dead, no one will ever learn the “other”side of the story.

          • InsideEye

            There is a lot of dangerous rhetoric, hyped by the media and TV media, trying to create a story on non facts. True investigative journalism is needed, what happened to this type of reporting, probably being restrained by centralized news processors.

          • Fern Woodfork

            If He’s Not A Racist He Sure Have A Lot Of Racist Group Rallying Around Him!! 🙁 The KKK Has Been Sending Him Money And They Had Invaded Florida At The Time Of The Shooting!! 🙁

        • RobertCHastings

          Over the years, Zimmerman made MANY calls to 911 claiming to police that certain ethnic minorities (which shall here remain unnamed) were in the process of doing something (in some cases unspecified) untoward. He had a reputation among the Sanford police as being a wannabe, and a justly earned reputation as being a racist.

          • InsideEye

            The prosecution certainly must have had this information and should have used it. There was no evidence of anyone seeing TM peering into windows or anything, or lurking about. There were no witnesses , for or against. Then you say a wannabe is a racist. People who want to be police officers are then racist. Not so of course.

          • RobertCHastings

            Is frequent phone calls to 911 to report suspicious behavior frequently contained racist remarks, which should be enough to indicate to A REASONABLE person that he is a racist. The linking between racist and wannabe was purely positional, something you should have understood. Anyone who reads English frequently can see that I did not equate Zimmerman as a wannabe with Zimmerman as a racist. At least you do concur that that there was no evidence of Martin’s behaving suspiciously.

          • neeceoooo

            There was more evidence that GZ was a wannabe than TM being a thug or trouble maker.

          • RobertCHastings

            Interesting how some of what we are hearing about Trayvon was not revealed in the trial, but was in evidence supposedly NOT turned over to the defense. Hopefully the inequities exposed by this case will be rectified by a Federal civil rights investigation. Florida’s Supreme court should look at their “Stand Your Ground” law, too.

          • InsideEye

            Sorry, syntax is difficult when writing /reading rapidly. I do read English occasionally and Latin which totally screws me up. No record is available that TM was up to no good or do good.

          • RobertCHastings

            I’ve been trying to get back into reading Latin, if for no other reason than to help with Spanish. It has been almost fifty years, though, and it takes time, doesn’t it? Good luck.

          • InsideEye

            Best thing is Latin for vocabulary, English as well
            as Spanish. Spanish is not so easy, have to practice it as everything else. Till next time.

          • idamag

            So if no record exists that TM was up to no good or good, then it is alright to kill him. Like sticks with like, here.

          • InsideEye

            Like sticks with like, we are all trying to justify what we perceive correct from our experiences. Again….there were no other witness’s in the area that could corroborate what went on at critical times. A tragic escalating situation.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Yeah Walking With Black Skin With Some Skittles And A Bottle Of Tea!! Real Suspicious!! NOT!!! And Don’t Forget The Hoodie With The Hood On His Head!! Wasn’t It Raining The Night??

          • RobertCHastings

            Yes, it WAS raining that night, and the defense attorney posited that the rain must have washed Trayvon’s blood and prints from Zimmerman’s gun. It also washed away Zimmerman’s blood from the sidewalk. Damn, it must have really be pouring!

          • idamag

            It was raining that night. Boycott Florida

          • RobertCHastings

            Even his defense team made it clear that Zimmerman was acting out of frustration with a police department that would not turn him loose on the perps in his neighborhood, virtually admitting that he had a motive when he went after Trayvon.

          • InsideEye

            Agree to disagree, I was trying to find good intentions here, was annoyed at the NBC misrepresentation of the initial facts. It was tragedy that is now festering underneath our good will, after seemingly making some progress on understanding each other racially. Thanks for stimulating thought.

          • neeceoooo

            If GZ would have done would he should have, sit the car and wait for the police, a young man would be alive today.

        • bhaggen

          Sir Charles Barkley has summed this up best. “I don’t like when the media starts talkin race because they don’t have a pure heart or clean hands”. He also believed there was profiling going on but at some point Martin flipped the switch and beat Zimmerman

          • InsideEye

            Both were fearful for possible confrontation … No one knows.

      • bhaggen

        Have you seen his facebook conversations? Or the autopsy report? How the hell does a 17yr old already have liver damage? He talks about DXM with his buddies.

    • JohnRNC

      And to justify a sketchy verdict. These folks have neither the sense nor the class to be magnanimous in victory. It’s not enough to win, the loser must be mutilated and put on public display before they will be satisfied. I grit my teeth when I say that I agree with the verdict, because, despite the flaws in our system it is so much better than most. And we must preserve and improve on what we have. That said – killing an unarmed person in a public place should carry some consequences. Such as: suspension of gun permits, removal from neighborhood watch – something – to acknowledge that Zimmerman is not capable of wielding deadly force in a responsible manner.

      • RobertCHastings

        The DOJ HAS suspended Zimmerman’s gun permit. They will eventually indict him on Civil Rights charges (which are not restricted to hate crimes), and there will be a committee hearing in either the Senate or the House regarding “Stand Your Ground” laws.

        • Fern Woodfork

          Yes!! He Wont Be Getting That Gun No Time So!!! 🙂

          • neeceoooo

            Maybe we will see some kind of justice after all.

          • Fern Woodfork

            That Would Be Nice My Friend!!

          • BDC_57

            Hope your right my friend we don’t need any more 17 year old boys killed.

          • Fern Woodfork

            People Are Taking To The Streets With This One!! Over A Hundred Marching In Over A Hundred Cities All Over The USA!! The Key To This Is The Vote The GOP/Tea Party Taliban Out Of Offices !! You can Bet Your Life This Stand Your Ground Is One Of Their Poison Polices!! Matter Of Fact All Of The Polices SUCKS BIG TIME!!! And Now Justine Timberlake Has Join Stevie Wonder Boycotting Florida!! 🙂

    • Tom_D44

      Blu-
      Did you actually know Trayvon? And how can you attest to his character if you didn’t? Your perception of Trayvon is only what you saw on the media and as it would be filtered through your own eyes, experiences, viewpoints, and mostly emotions. The media manipulated this case, and consequently peoples’ emotions, from the start. They started with a picture of him from when he was much younger giving the perception, immediately, of an innocent little defenseless boy – yet we now know that was mostly untrue. They manipulated the 911 tapes, knowingly, to get the public to believe GZ was an angry racist just looking to kill a black boy – but the evidence showed that this was mostly untrue and specifically with respect to the 911 comments we know he was answering a specific question he was asked. The reason this is all coming out now is because it was all evidence that was not allowed to be presented in the trial. Now that the trial is over these things are coming out and clearly it points to the fact that Trayvon was not the innocent little child the media initially protrayed. I believe that what you are seeing from the right, in the proper context if you watch these shows, is a war on the left wing media and the politicians who jumped in before the facts came out and politicized this case – not a war on Trayvon or his legacy. The right is calling out the left for what they did in manipulating this case from the day it started – and it is a legitimate beef. Now I am not writing this to protect the right from being manipulative themselves or from their pundits who cross lines of respect for the family as I would never support that. But anyone who does not see what the left wing media did to turn this case into what it became is just not paying attention or just doesn’t want to see it that .

      Since this case there have been many, many published cases of innocent murders where the races were reversed. Many people have pointed out that there was virtually no national media attention to any of these cases, no speaches by the president, no protestors being organized in those cities by the DOJ, no white Al Sharptons marching in the streets and no white Rev Jesse Jackson’s calling for boycott’s of those states. Hypocrisy? You bet.

      • WhutHeSaid

        It doesn’t matter one bit what Martin’s character was. He was a teenager who was simply walking home from the convenience store. Whether he was a perfect angel, an obnoxious asshole, or a typical 17 year old doesn’t matter one little bit — he was doing nothing wrong.

        George Zimmerman had absolutely no authority to follow or confront Martin even if it turned out he was a mass murderer. Even so, I didn’t see you offer any proof that you knew him either, or that he was some evil monster who deserved to be stalked and shot dead.

        Old Blu isn’t talking about reaction to the media. He’s talking about the obviously bigoted and mean-spirited rejoicing over the killing of a teenage boy. NOBODY in their right mind would believe that killing a teenager simply walking home was a good thing unless they had some sordid motive. What’s yours?

        • Thomas Paine

          He wasn’t walking when he was shot; he was trying to kill Zimmerman and I’m glad Zimmerman had a weapon and that he removed Trayvon from the gene pool permanently.

          • WhutHeSaid

            The truth is that you don’t know what actually happened in the last few seconds, but it’s clear that Zimmerman followed Martin – not the other way around.

            As for you being ‘glad’ that a teenager was killed, all that proves is that you are an asshole.

          • zappa24

            It’s that sort of statement by TP (I refuse to call him what he has named himself) that JohnRNC was talking about when he mentioned “mutilating the loser” instead of being content with winning. It is pretty simple, Zimmerman followed someone he shouldn’t have been following. Whether he was following Martin because he was suspicious of him due to racism or extreme paranoia does not take away from the fact that Zimmerman’s description of what Martin was doing up until the confrontation showed Martin was doing nothing wrong. If he was doing nothing wrong, why was there a confrontation? Why did Zimmerman follow him? Why did Zimmerman (who is part of the neighborhood watch and should therefore know the neighborhood quite well) get out of his car to allegedly check a street sign (while someone he considers a threat is nearby, cars have these things called windows and headlights which allow you to see things even in the dark and rain without having to get out)?

            It is also pretty simple that given the law in Florida and the fact that the only real living witness was the defendant, that the prosecution was going to have to present a near perfect case and have the defense make major mistakes to get a guilty verdict. I was not surprised about the verdict. I agree that the verdict was the only correct one. I don’t think that justice was served.

          • Russell Byrd

            If Ziphead had been following Goldilocks and she kicked him in his perverted shin, he probably would have shot her too. As he is still out there with his gun, we will be hearing more about this down the road. Either another “vigilante” is going to pot Zboy off, or he is going to kill again. Maybe his fear will outweigh his lack of good sense and humanity, and he will stay indoors.

            Of course, I would not be surprised if a number of powerful attorneys are lining up to get the civil suit going. He has little chance of beating that, because evidence wil not be excluded and the burden of proof shifts to the defense in a civil trial. All of the dirty details will come out.

          • charleo1

            The Klan’s still around. Aitn’t that right asshole? I want you,
            and the other dickhead cowards, thinking about going on
            a little late night, good ol boy Southern huntin’ trips, for old time’s sake. The next Trayvon will not be unarmed. If I was
            the Father of a Black teenager, that had to walk anywhere,
            he’d already have a gun! If trayvon was a thug, you racist
            moron, he’d have had one too. But, I just wanted to write,
            and remind the chicken shit bastards like you, Stand your
            ground goes both ways, M-Fer. And they may be dagging
            your sorry reputation through the mud in front of your family, and see what you’ve got to say for yourself. Just sayin’.
            if you, or your ilk, even think about startin’ your shit again.
            It’s not going to turn out well. Now, how’s that for fair and balanced?

          • idamag

            The terrified boy was fighting for his life.

          • plc97477

            A story sworn to by a known liar.

          • FredAppell

            A little factoid about the real Thomas Paine, he was a dismal failure at everything he tried. The original Fore Fathers even considered him to be too radical…he was the Rush Limbaugh of his day. I say, let the jack ass who keeps calling himself Thomas Paine continue to make an idiot of himself.

      • old_blu

        I understand what you are saying but you are wrong about me and running on emotions. I don’t have a dog in this fight at all, but I was 17 once and remember I was kind of a hellion myself, (hard to believe huh?)
        The rest of what you say are the same talking points I’ve heard before. And it is how our system works and it does work, sometimes not the way we think it should and we don’t agree, but we accept it and hopefully move on.
        The truth is when he was being watched by Zimmerman he wasn’t breaking any laws, I wish Zimmerman wasn’t one of the many scared people that think they have to carry a gun.

        • Tom_D44

          Blu-
          I am not passing any judgement on you – or anyone here for that matter. And I don’t think that the shooting of an innocent kid is justified – but common sense tells you there was much more that took place here, some of which we will never know and much of which is being un-reported or mis-reported – on purpose and with ill intentions. Make no bones about it, the race game is a hugely profitable business and the media and the politicians are making out like bandits on it right now.

          • old_blu

            We agree on most of what you said here, I don’t know how it’s profitable but it must be because it has become such a big issue.

        • akindependent

          But for that gun in his holster to embolden him, Zimmerman would not have left his car. Change the laws.

          • old_blu

            You are right I don’t think he would’ve even thought twice about staying in his car and waiting for the police if he wouldn’t of had his “equalizer” He would have done what the dispatch suggested he do, and not follow him.

        • Thomas Paine

          Did you deserve to be shot for your life as a hellion? I don’t know, did you ever try to bash someone’s brains out on the pavement? IF you did, yes you would have deserved to be shot.

          • old_blu

            Now even before the head smashing if George would have not followed him and just stayed with his car none of this would have happened, in fact if George would have just left his “equalizer” home none of this would have happened and no one would have had their head smashed or would a young man be dead.
            And no I didn’t do that but my Mom and my Dad both taught me to stick up for myself, so if you’re asking if I would’ve defended myself then, YES.

          • WhutHeSaid

            So if I chase you down with a firearm when you are minding your own business, what will you do – offer to kiss my ass?

          • Independent1

            Did you ever fall down and bang the back of your head? If you have, then you know that when you bang the back of your head, you end up with a lump on the back of your head almost the size of an egg. A lump that doesn’t go away for a week or so. When Zimmerman arrived at the police station, there was no such lump on the back of his head.

            If there’s a civil trial, I won’t be surprised if they discover that Trayvon Martin never touched Zimmerman; but rather, that the injury on the back of Zimmerman’s head was self-inflicted by Zimmerman himself as he waited for the cops to arrive. Zimmerman knew that to jusify the shooting, he had to appear to have been in a struggle where he feared for his life, so he made up the story about Trayvon banging his head on the concrete, and to show some injury, used his fingernails or a nail clippers or keys in his pocket, to scratch the back of his head – if someone bangs your head on the concrete, you don’t get scratches – you get a blunt force injury that ends up swelling – giving you a knot on the back of your head.

            And here’s another thing. in a separate post some time back, I asked posters here to explain to me WHY a guy carrying a gun; a guy who knew he was holding a gun and that was familiar with using it, would start yelling for help when he knew he had help in his hand. Would you kindly try to explain that to me!! Why would GZ start yelling for help WHEN HE WAS THE ONE HOLDING THE GUN!!! IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!! The whole trial was so full of wholes someone could have driving a semi through it.

          • InsideEye

            There does not need to be a lump, it looked like a forced abrasion…that is bloody. Forcing your knee against the pavement from a bike fall is common and is messy at times.

          • Independent1

            Sorry, I’m not buying it!! Zimmerman claimed Trayvon was bashing his head against the cemment- that would result in a lump. Your knee and your head are two totally different places. Zimmerman was lying!!!!!!!

          • InsideEye

            When someone is bashing a persons head against the pavement, the victims is also resisting, resulting in a glancing abrasion rather than a direct blow to the pavement. GZ must have been squirming to minimize damage, a natural reaction.
            Forensic pathology 401, pg. 27. Recently saw an individual bang head into a sharp fan, resulting nasty bloody messy gash, 3 inches, no stitches required, but painful and no lump, healed in 2 days or so.

        • neeceoooo

          Hi again friend, but I could n ot let this comment slid. It is hard to believe that you would be a hellion and as far as you mother goes, a mother’s love would never waver, no matter how horrendous the child is.

          • old_blu

            : )) Thanks

      • idamag

        How about the parts they didn’t portray about Trayvon Martin? He was up for a scholarship so he couldn’t have been as bad as they said. Even if he was a thug (and I don’t hear any irrefutable proof that he was) he was not doing anything wrong. He went to the store to get an ice tea and skittles. He was planning on watching movies with his little brother. He should have been allowed to return home and enjoy his evening.

      • Lorr

        Exactly what has come out about Trayvon Martin that makes his a person of bad character?

        He had no criminal record and his suspension from school does not make him a thug or a gangster. As far as his school records all there has been so far is a quote from one of Martin’s teachers recorded by the Orlando Sentinel he was an “A and B” student.

        Martin was suspended because they found traces of Pot in a plastic bag on him. If that is what you judge him to be lacking in character, than look to vets, professors, judges, attorneys, entertainers and politicians who used or experimented with drugs. Please look in the eyes of a Veteran who served his country and tell him he lacks moral character and is a bad person because he smoked(s) pot.

        Because of break-in in their community, Zimmerman’s own words were:
        “those a**holes who get away,” “He was one of those f***ing punks.” So because of someone else’s actions who were of the same race as Martin, Zimmerman assumed Martin was up to no good. That is racial profiling.

        You stated “Now that the trial is over these things are coming out and clearly it points to the fact that Trayvon was not the innocent little child the media initially portrayed” So Zimmerman is a Saint, this man who lied about know about the Stand Your Ground Law (father a judge and he took classes). This man who assaulted a Police Officer. This man who took self-defense classes. This adult who made the choice to get out and follow a 17 year old and not identify himself. Who exaggerated his injuries. Sorry he was the adult and he took it down this tragic road.

        Race is an issue and unless we take our heads of the sand and deal with it, we will never resolve it. Zimmerman wanted to be a cop so bad he went out and played cops and robbers that night, and an unarmed teenager is dead.

        The only two people know the secrets of that night and they will never be revealed because one of them is dead.

      • Russell Byrd

        Did you actually know Trayvon? And how can you attest to his character if you didn’t? How about an answer.

        • Tom_D44

          Here is your answer Russell. I don’t attest to his character and I have no idea what kind of person he was – nor do you. I also don’t attest to Zimmerman’s character as I have no idea what kind or person he was either. Unlike you however, I am not going to create in my head my own version of who these two people were. Because all I would have to go on is what came out in the trial and what was released by the media – the latter of which I take with a grain of salt. If you read my post you would see that I was completely respectful to Trayvon and was critical of the media and the politicians. I will remain critical of the media and the politicians as I do not see where they are doing anything to bring people together in spite of the tragedy. As I can see you are cherry picking my points, I didn’t see your comments on the many other cases of inter-racial violence that I referenced. I suppose that is all ok with you? Is this the only one that matters?

          • charleo1

            You’re correct. We don’t know either individual. What we do
            know now though, is with the stand you ground law, it’s very
            useful, minus any good witnesses, to kill the prosecutions
            best witness aganist you in the fight, or whatever it was.
            As one juror described the altercation. So, if I’m looking at
            this case, the thing I’m going to think is the law favors the
            winner. So I’d better buy me some more guns! One for the
            car, the shop, or office, one to carry. And carry a little pocket
            knife, to cut the back of your head up a little bit. Would be my suggestion, just to be on the safe side. But the purpose of the
            law was never intended to help the prosecution find justice,
            if one happens to be just walking along, or gets into a fender
            bender. It’s designed to sell a lot of guns. And now that a lot
            more people more clearly understand how this all works.
            They are going to sell a hell of lot more guns!

          • Tom_D44

            Interesting…The stand your ground law wasn’t even used by the defense in this case. It was only ever talked about in the media and by the media.

          • charleo1

            Stand you ground was perhaps not mentioned by the defense.
            But it was in the judges instructions. And is the applicable
            law, that sets the threshold for guilt. Perhaps if you learned
            the pertinent facts of the case.

          • Tom_D44

            At the moment the decision was made to use deadly force, GZ was in no position to be able to retreat as he was on the ground under Martin who was beating the crap out of him. Therefore the defense argued on self defense and not stand your ground.

          • charleo1

            Like I said. The stand your ground law is a component in
            the State’s general law, aganist unjustifiable homicide.
            Self defense was the conclusion arrived at using the higher thresholds of evidence the stand your ground law requires the prosecution to overcome to prevail in it’s charge. The law is flawed. Mainly because it is applied to all charges of unjustifiable homicide. Or murder. Zimmerman benefited from the ambiguities in the law. Because it was never established by eye witness testimony or any other means, who was the aggressor. Zimmerman’s strongest witness did not say he saw who started the fight. I listened to him very carefully. He said he saw Martin astraddle of Zimmerman delivering blows. The burden of proof under stand your ground then becomes, could a person reasonably assume Zimmerman was in fear for his life? Since there was a gun involved, and he might become unconscious at some point, and then be vulnerable to Martin using the gun to kill him. It is tortured logic at best,
            to get to a not guilty by reason of self defense. But, in the
            end, stand your ground made that verdict, a near certainty.
            Look, we do know, this. Zimmerman was clearly found not
            guilty, by a court following the current law. This is despite
            all of his contributions, we know he made to the circumstances that brought him to the point where he reasonably feared for his life. All are discounted, rendered meaningless, and beside the fact, once the situation Zimmerman largely created, became one that a juror could
            reasonably find he, Zimmerman, feared for his life, then lethal
            force was justified. Just asking. Can you see any problems
            this law might create in situations where their are no witnesses? Like dark highways? Parking lots, where there
            is a group of friendly witnesses, and one stranger is killed?
            Or, do you believe it’s probably better if we all arm ourselves?
            So, just in case, the State can’t overcome the fact that the guy who shot and killed you, was afraid for his life. Of course,
            he’ll be around, so his lawyers will make the case. You won’t.

          • Russell Byrd

            I think charleo1 made a very good answer to the entire situation. And dirtbag, you made it quite plain who you were siding with. I merely applied your own rhetorical nonsense to demonstrate the hypocrisy of your position. Cherry picking I am not doing. I did not need to. It is quite plain that I am dealing with a bigot that had pre-judged the case. As far as media and politicians, yeah they cannot always be trusted, but I only hear that nonsense from those that are paranoid contrary wack-jobs. So if you are offended, your racism offends me.

            As for the media presenting Trayvon as an angel, I have seen and heard a number of broadcasts and they all made him appear to be something of a punk. However, they tempered that with the fact that he was UNARMED and walking home. Your hero was looking to grab someone a little greasy. Voile, we have a murder. The only people that think the media made Trayvon out to be an angel are the lie mongers at Faux News or Rush Limprag. They have been spewing about the fact that Trayvon was a hoodlum. Only someone that gets all his news from those truth challenged outlets will make those ignorant claims.

            The point here is, Trayvon was walking home. He was not committing a crime. Zipperhead accosted and killed him. Trayvon could have been an angel or he could have been a psycho killer. Either way, Zimmerman did not know that when he initiated this crime. HE IS GUILTY. The jury found reasonable doubt, so right or wrong, the jury made a decision.

            As you right-wackers are so fond of saying when someone you want to burn is found not guilty, being found not guilty is not the same as being innocent. Zimmerman is not innocent. And how about excluded evidence. If the jury had heard all we might have a different outcome.

            I might think you should wait until they decide on the civil suit. Evidence will not be excluded there. The burden of proof will shift to the defence. I think your hero will be free as a bird, but with NO future whatsoever.

            That is if someone does not pot him off beforehand. Or with his “little friend” he does not kill someone else. So my question still stands.

      • charleo1

        You’re missing the point. Unless you have one of those reverse
        race, “innocent murders,” where the shooter was interviewed by
        Police, and slept in his bed that night. Better still, if the shooter
        was a Black teenager, wearing a hoodie, and actually followed the walking, unarmed White guy who wound up dead. Got one of those?

    • WhutHeSaid

      In my opinion, the phenomenon is an symptom of the current conservative approach to both politics and social issues. We all know that there are bitter and despicable bigots still skulking around, but the conservative reaction to Zimmerman’s acquittal mirrors a larger willingness to stoop to new lows in order to attempt to achieve conservative goals. Having failed to convince a majority of Americans that tax breaks for the rich or rolling back civil rights are good ideas, the GOP — especially the wholly despicable Tea Bigots — have decided to employ any and all tactics out of sheer desperation. Lying, cheating, and anything else that they feel might give them an edge – no matter how damaging to the country – have been raised to heights (or, if you prefer, lows) rarely seen in the past.

      The sordid bigots, liars, and greedy hucksters who are a big part of the GOP base have simply run out of all alternatives except for one: Changing their despicable morals to adapt to a changing America. I expect that they will get worse as time goes on, until the neanderthals mostly die off or get so tired of losing elections that they grudgingly adapt to the realities of 21st century America. Think about who they are: these slack-jawed goobers aren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, and it’s going to take a lot to make them see the light. Many of them never will.

      • old_blu

        You are absolutely right, and good morning my friend good to see you.

        They keep doing stupid crap thinking they are going to get more votes, when all they would really have to do is start doing what they are paid to do, but the lazy SOB’s just can’t seem to figure out they work for us and not big corporations, or for each other. I don’t think even the staunches Republican if they are honest can say they have been working for the good of America. I used to study all candidates and then vote for the one I thought was going to do the best job, but they have gone so far right of the center that last time I voted along party lines and I intend on doing it until the real Republicans come back.

        • Jim Myers

          I tend to agree with most of what you wrote, however, there is one area where I think you are wrong.

          They are working for the people who pay for them. The wealthy and the corporations.

          The ones who put them in power.

          • old_blu

            Exactly, thank you, I thought that’s what I said. : ))

        • Gatorman3

          Certainly don’t want to rush time. but I do look forward to 2014 when we can vote these air bags out and put some working people in. Good people that have a strong interest in Politics; and doing what’s best for the country and the majority of the people, need their get their names and resumes out there so that we can move forward at a faster pace. They’ve had more time off than any Congress in history, and when they were at work some yahoo from Kentucky convinced them that filibustering and voting for the same thing on a daily basis was the way to move forward. He needs to go back to Kentucky, jump in his rocking chair and wave at people when they drive by. Waving would bring him far more friends than his mouth has ever been able to do. The people of Kentucky and this country deserve far better than Mitch. Hope he’s looking forward to it. Then he can filibuster on his front porch.

          • old_blu

            I look forward to it as well, maybe they can start working as two parties again.

          • FredAppell

            Nothing’s a lock my friend. Dems thought they could sweep in 2010 but something happened to change that and that something is still hanging around.

          • neeceoooo

            We don’t want to get so sure of ourselves that let the TP take over our country.

          • FredAppell

            That’s exactly what we did, and my hope is that everyone learned from it, although I have my doubts.

          • neeceoooo

            I think the general population have a very short memory which leads to them making the same mistake over and over again. An example would be putting Michelle Bauchman back in or the re-election of Mark Sanford. And now we have Wiener and Spitzer.

          • FredAppell

            I completely concur. It’s hard to know if any of the names you mentioned even care about the indiscretions they committed, my money say’s no. A person would have to have a rather large ego
            to run for political office so soon after committing such offenses and the public is extraordinarily naive to trust them too soon.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            As we should all be aware, the public’s memory is about as short as their overall attention span – not very long and extremely short lived.

            Of course, we all know(?) that Republicans “never” do anything wrong…………………. barf time.

          • FredAppell

            🙂 It’s so hard to be perfect in such an imperfect world when one’s head is so far up their own ass but god bless them, they keep trying don’t they….

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Yea you’re right.

            The REAL problem is, is that they keep trying to stuff it up higher and higher which is causing Oxygen Deprivation…….

            Cerbralrectalitis is a major problem with Republicans.

          • FredAppell

            Don’t forget, those gasses can’t be too healthy to breath in on a
            constant basis. Funny fact, I’m watching a show right now where they are talking about supplements for a healthy colon…too funny.

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            The democratic party need to GOTV bigtime, then. The liberals got all pouty back in ’10 because Obama wasn’t just *perfect*, so they sneered at him, and sat out the election. And now look where we are. Hopefully, we will have learned from this, and don’t do it again in ’14.

          • old_blu

            That’s right we all got a little cocky and this time we need to be on our game.

        • neeceoooo

          Hi there friend, you are so right. I sometimes wonder how we got this far off track.

          • old_blu

            Hello to you neece, that is a perfect way to look at it, we ARE way off track

          • BDC_57

            Because the people got lazy and quit voting cause they beleived who voted
            for would not do anythingfor them so they quit voting.

          • njguy54

            Anytime anyone says “My vote doesn’t count,” first, smack them upside the head, and second, remind them of the presidential election of 2000.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            We got so far off track because, people ignore problems (usually deliberately), shove them under the rug and hope they don’t have to deal with it.

            And as a result, our problems have gotten so big and so many now, they are nearly insurmountable and will probably take a Miracle to solve anything.

          • Fern Woodfork

            You got That Right My Friend !! That’s Exactly Whats Been Going On Here For Years Now!! Can The Can Down The Road Hide It And Denial!! 🙁

      • irishtap

        Well done, absolutely accurate.

    • howa4x

      True. When the judge disallowed any reference to race then the profiling of Martin simply because he was Black was removed as motive. Once that happened then they centered on the fight itself and how a stronger Martin was able to overcome a pudgy Zimmerman. That made it seem plausible that he was fighting for his life and that was why he shot Trayvon.

      • Jim Myers

        Except for the fact that Zimmerman was a bouncer at some point in his life.

        Not a position for someone who
        cannot defend himself.

      • Thomas Paine

        Zimmerman shot Trayvon because Trayvon was attempting to bash his brains out on the pavement for the horrendous crime of following him (Trayvon). One dead thug is a good start but only a start.

        • WhutHeSaid

          Yes, you are a cowardly piece of shit – we get it already.

        • old_blu

          You seem like you’re awfully angry about something that went the way you wanted. Seek help.

        • howa4x

          You must be a good old boy racist. Is your gun locked and loaded for all those other unarmed Black kids?

        • johninPCFL

          With no GZ blood on the sidewalk? With no GZ blood on TM’s hands? How do you ‘bash his brains out’ if you don’t make him bleed? Maybe you just haven’t thought past your pre-conceived stereotypes and predjudices.

        • midway54

          And yet there was not even a large bump on his head that should have resulted from the so-called bashing.

          • BDC_57

            Yeah he only had a little mark on back of his head.

    • Dominick Vila

      To deal with their conscience. The killing of Trayvon Martin was murder. The verdict was the result of a mediocre prosecution, an outstanding defense team, Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, and the instructions given to the jury by the judge. The jurors had no choice but to acquit. The problem was not the jurors, but a judicial system that must be changed.
      The demonization of Trayvon Martin by Republican talking heads like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Coulter and other disciples of the anti-Christ and David Duke, is an example of why minorities and women don’t trust the GOP.
      The efforts by the GOP leadership to project an illusion of inclusion and civility are being undermined by a rabid crowd constantly seeking ways to demonize minorities, insult them, making it as difficult as possible for them to vote, undermining the rights of women, and fighting equality, Affirmative Action, and organized labor every step of the way.

      • old_blu

        Once again Dominick you and I absolutely agree.

        • Fern Woodfork

          Yes I Agree With You All Except The Trolls Here!! :-0 Good Morning My National Memo Friends!! 🙂

          • old_blu

            Hello to you Fern.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Hello old_blu!! 🙂 <3

      • bhaggen

        What EVIDENCE do you or the prosecution have that the unfortunate death of Trayvon Martin was MURDER? When the DA filed for the charge of murder, I thought for sure they had ballistic evidence to support that charge. Or that GZ had some sort of racial motives. But the FBI found no evidence of racism. Hell, as a Democrat he supported Obama in 08 & 12; took a black girl to his prom; was helping underprivileged black kids. Instead evidence showed quite the opposite. It was Martin that used racial slurs, a witness placed Martin on top of Zimmerman MMA style, ballistic evidence showed the victim on top of the shooter at close range. If ballistics had shown a range over 3ft, that would support murder. Florida’s Stand Your Ground law was never applied to this case. How can you cast blame on the prosecution if they had no EVIDENCE to support murder? They may have had a case for negligent homicide but Al Sharpton & his ilk demanded a murder charge which was fueled by the media’s demonization of Zimmerman and injected race into this case. To this day we’re still shown a 12yr old sanitized Trayvon. What is that all about? They found a video on his phone of him & his friends assaulting a homeless man over a bicycle for kicks! Something’s seriously wrong here. Both people used poor judgment that rainy night; one of them turned it physical.

        • RobertCHastings

          Racism is not a determiner in the charge of murder. Murder is lawfully, willingly and knowingly killing another person. The degree is determined by factors such as premeditation or simple carelessness or several things in between, or mitigating factors. Ballistics showed a very limited range which demonstrates that Zimmerman put the gun to Trayvon’s chest and fired. Distance is irrelevant, and may in fact play for the prosecution.

          • bhaggen

            Lawfully? No!…Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being. Even 2nd degree murder requires a reckless indifference to human life or acting with a depraved heart. Racism could support malice or a depraved heart. Acting in self defense removes murder. Distance is relevant if the victim is unarmed. You can’t claim self defense if you use a gun and the unarmed victim is outside of your zone (arms length) and I agree, would have played for the prosecution.

          • RobertCHastings

            Sorry. Not a typo, just a brain fart.

          • bhaggen

            Not a problem. I found it quite odd that with all our well educated “leaders”, both left & right, black & white, that the best perspective of this case comes from none other than Sir Charles Barkley…..That’s right the ex NBA star & now commentator. I didn’t know he had it in him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shODnGQJ6FU

    • Thomas Paine

      So you think he acquired the women’s jewelry legally? We’re making him out to be a thug because he WAS a thug; now he’s a dead thug, which is the best kind of thug.

      • old_blu

        Women’s jewelry and a watch found in Trayvon Martin’s school backpack last fall could not be tied to any reported thefts.. He didn’t have any jewelry in his backpack the night he was shot. You are part of the problem because you call him names for something he was never found doing anything wrong of. So unless he did something wrong (and he didn’t in this case) it’s just your opinion, (and some talking heads opinion) that’s exactly what this story is about though, and I think you’re wrong.
        I’ll repeat what I said earlier HE WAS NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS when Zimmerman started following him, and HE HAD NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS either. I think if Zimmerman would have left his gun home this wouldn’t have happened, personally I think he was too much of a coward to even follow him if he wouldn’t of had his “equalizer”, and no one would have been hurt because he would have just waited for the police.

        • plc97477

          So naturally it makes no sense to give him back his gun.

      • WhutHeSaid

        Listen: If Zimmerman had shot cowardly scum like you nobody would be upset. OK, we get it: you are thrilled that a teenager is dead because you are an incredible walking turd. Enough already.

      • Lorr

        The School Police Officer who made those allocations – here is a portion of a story Miami Herald > News > Schools: “The embattled former police chief of Miami-Dade Schools resigned quietly last month – so quietly district officials say they weren’t sure he’d actually quit.
        Following a reassignment to desk duty, and then a January demotion amid federal and internal investigations into allegations that he sexually harassed at least two female subordinates, former chief Charles Hurley resigned Feb. 8. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270822/former-miami-dade-schools-police.html#storylink=cpy

        So why is it that if he had evidence of Martin being a thief, why does Martin not have a criminal record? “Chief Hurley then launched the internal affairs investigation in an attempt to find out who had provided information to the reporter. During the course of that investigation, MDSPD officers and supervisors described Chief Hurley’s policy of not reporting crimes by students.” What, students commit crimes and Hurley’s policy if not reporting crimes by students….

    • Recoloniser

      Here’s the thing I don’t get about the court case. People say that the prosecution didn’t prove its case, but how much of a case is there to prove?

      Let’s list what we know for certain:

      – Zimmerman was told emphatically to stay in his car by the 911 dispatcher.
      – Nevertheless, he got out of his car and approached Martin.
      – He has not offered any explanation to justify him ignoring the dispatcher’s instruction.
      – He approached Martin and got into a physical exchange with him.
      – He was armed, Martin was not.
      – At the end of it all, Martin was dead.

      The crucial item here is him getting out of the car without an immediate need or emergency. With him being armed, he took the conditional risk that firearms would be used, without there being a need for it. That makes it culpable homicide. At the least.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        What it boils down to is that a teenage boy on his way home from a convenience store was being stalked by an adult. When he confronted his stalker, ‘Stood His Ground’, his stalker shot & killed him. We have no knowledge of what actually transpired before the shot was fired, other than what the stalker told the police. We don’t know what was said or who threw the first punch. And with no witnesses, the shooter can make up whatever story he likes. And without definite evidence, the state could not make it’s case, so the stalker went free.

        Even leaving race out of it, a vigilante stalked and killed an innocent person. Race is only a part of it; the entire gun culture and mentality that glorifies death and revels in violence is an even larger part.

        • FredAppell

          I know that if I was 17 and some creepy white guy was following me I would think that his intent is to grease my butt hole.

        • plc97477

          The part I feel buts the lie to the defense was the fact that gz lied about knowing what the stand your ground law was. What possible reason could he have to lie about it if not to use the law to help a guilty man get away with murder?

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            I think that’s a lot of why he refused to take the stand – the prosecution would have been able to turn him every which way but loose. (So, Mr. Zimmerman, you lied when you said you were unaware of the SYG laws. And mow you say Trayvon attacked you first. So, were you lying then, or are you lying now?)

          • plc97477

            It would have been nice to see him explain himself on the stand.

          • RobertCHastings

            As he has the right to refuse to answer questions so as not to incriminate himself, That was a very unlikely scenario. I still think he should be sent someplace that has certain skills in obtaining information from people who don’t want to divulge it.

        • RobertCHastings

          Who threw the first punch will never be established until Zimmerman actually comes clean and admits that NO punches were thrown. Trayvon showed no signs of scratching or bruising on his hands that would indicate he had hit Zimmerman. The only evidence of Zimmerman’s being hit are superficial wounds to his face and head, ALL of which could very easily have been self-inflicted (the concrete does seem to play an important role in the testimony). Enough time passed between the actual shot and the arrival of police for Zimmerman to have staged the scene to his advantage. I suggest that the State Department perform extreme rendering on Zimmerman, ship him to some friendly country that has effective ways of extracting the truth, and the case will then be closed with the truth, and whatever happens to Zimmerman will just be considered collateral damage.

          • Fern Woodfork

            They Showed A Tape Of Him Leaving The Police Station That Night Zimmerman Left And The Was No Bloody Nose And A Tiny Little Mark In His Head!!

          • RobertCHastings

            Hi, Fern! I remember Zimmerman getting out of the car at the police station and there was some blood on his face and they really zoomed in on the cuts on his head. However, when the ME testified these were only superficial, and we found out he didn’t even go to the hospital for stitches, it is apparent entirely too much was made of his “injuries” at trial. The ME also stated there were no marks on Trayvon’s hands that would be consistent with and altercation. I know if I had hit him, I would probably have broken a bone or two.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Exactly!!! No Life Threaten Injuries!!

          • neeceoooo

            And isn’t that what the “stand your ground” is all about, feeling threatened. I am sure that TM felt threatened and that should have matter as well.

          • bhaggen

            No, “stand your ground” is an extension of self defense. And according to Florida records, has been used successfully 33% of the time by African Americans. There is a big difference between “feeling threatened” & fearing for your life or grave bodily harm. Why didn’t he just call 911?

          • RobertCHastings

            So how does a verdict of self defense fly? Zimmerman was in no immediate danger of bodily harm or death. I am amazed every day at the restraint shown in light of this verdict.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Didn’t The Defense Say Trayvon Was Beat Zimmerman Like A AMA Fighter LOL I Think Zimmerman Would Have bHad More Injuries Than What He Had, Don’t You Think???

          • RobertCHastings

            If it was as Zimmerman (and his lawyers) claimed, Zimmerman should have had much more serious injuries, requiring stitches, possible plastic or reconstructive surgery, etc. While it was a year and a half until trial, he looked remarkable for a man so badly beaten. It’s a good thing it rained so hard that night or the sidewalk would have needed some serious work, also.

          • idamag

            And Trayvon would have had injuries on his hands.

          • RobertCHastings

            Yes, sir. Amazing how he beat Zimmerman so badly and shows no marks on his hands.

          • idamag

            I remember seeing that tape and he sure didn’t look like he had taken a real beating.

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            Well, not going to happen. The jury rendered it’s verdict, and that’s that. TBH, I doubt the DoJ will be able to bring charges, and a civil lawsuit, which given his (alleged) poverty, will merely be an annoyance. And though I hates to say it, if I were his father, I would discheat him and put my estate in a fund that would provide for GZ but be immune to any kind judgement / forfeiture should the civil suit go against GZ. (from what I have been given to understand, his father is also a piece of work)

            At this point, he has two choices – go into hiding and hope to be forgotten, or pull a Palin and cash in on his notoriety on the NRA / Tea Party / gun show / wingnut speaking circuit, making damned sure he has good security wherever he goes. Rotsa ruck there . . .

            If I were him, (and thank friggin’ god I’m not) I’d move to Peru (his mother’s home country) for a few years, get some cosmetic surgery, change my name, and come back with a new identity and hope never to be found out.

            Right now, though, Zimmerman (like Snowden) is in a prison of his own choosing. He’s going to spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder, knowing that some day, he’s very likely going to die in the same manner as Trayvon.

          • RobertCHastings

            Zimmerman and his wife had a website devoted to raising money for his defense. I seriously doubt that it has been taken down. And there are plenty of folks around the country who are probably still contributing, sort of like Jim and Tammy Baker with PTL.

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            Griftin’ at the grifters ball, y’all, griftin’ at the grifters ball . . .

            (Dr. Hook will forgive me)

          • bhaggen

            NO punches were thrown? Is that yet another brain fart? What trial were you watching? According to a witness’s testimony the person in a dark sweatshirt was on top of a person in a red jacket beating him MMA style. Have you seen the autopsy report? I suggest you read it. A bullet wound to the chest, bruised & scraped knuckles, two scars, & number tattoos. But get this; mild to moderate brain & liver damage associated with prolonged use of “DXM”. That’s not marijuana. It’s called “lean” on the street. Damn, I never heard of this shit before; look it up. It’s discussed on Travon’s Facebook page. WOW! Extract the truth? In case you weren’t paying attention the DA already tried that. Shortly before the trial they told Zimmerman he’d better come clean with his story because a video of the altercation had surfaced. He supposedly said “Thank GOD; a video. Now they’ll have to believe me” No video was ever presented at trial. Again; WOW!…..Dr King is rolling over in his grave hearing you people.
            Shame on you!

          • RobertCHastings

            And who had MMA training? It certainly wasn’t Trayvon Martin. The ME in sworn testimony stated there were no marks on Trayvon’s hands that would be consistent with an altercation. You can listen too whomever you wish, and whatever lies you desire.

          • bhaggen

            Zimmerman was taking MMA training but his trainer testified that he was too soft & couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag. I mean, look at him, listen to his girlie voice. He’s a woos! But he was a woos with a gun for self defense. The witness used the term “MMA style” describing Martin’s attack. “The” ME? Another brainfart? There were 2 MEs that testified. Dr. Rao; and later Dr Bao confirmed the abrasions to the left hand halfway into his testimony. Maybe he had an altercation earlier. The Asian guy testified he went outside immediately after the shot and was taking pics as the police arrived, so no there was no time to “self inflict” wounds. I don’t listen to “whomever”; I’ve listened to the witnesses and the EVIDENCE. I’ve also read the autopsy report in full.

      • old_blu

        I would love to just go with what you have said because it fits into what I want to believe, but the truth be told he was told “we don’t need you to follow him” and not stay in your car, that was after he was already out of his car.
        There is nothing a prosecutor wants more than a win in his column so if they could have proved him guilty they would have. The prosecutor couldn’t make his case. I’m with you though I wish he could have.

        • Recoloniser

          But you see, in my book (apart from the blatantly obvious racial issue here), the conditional risk Zimmerman took by accosting Martin when there was no need for him to do so (and against explicit instructions from the police dispatcher, but that is merely redundant here) makes it open and shut as far as I’m concerned. Zimmerman took the risk, Martin is dead. Boom: culpable homicide as a minimum, manslaughter if the jurors’ lunch hadn’t fallen too well. 5 minutes deliberation of which 4 to make it look as if the jurors needed to think about it.

          Conclusion: it was ALL about race and nothing else.

      • charleo1

        That’s the way reasonable laws work. Written by reasonable
        legislatures. Not bought, and paid for legislatures, catering to
        the NRA. The stand your ground law asks a jury to determine
        the workings of the shooter’s mind. Was he reasonably in fear?
        It’s designed to favor the winner of the gun fight. So, the lesson?
        Get your own gun. The law is in 30 some States now. The
        question it forces one to answer, is would you rather be the
        defendant, dragging the reputation of your opponent through
        the dirt, justifying your shooting him? Or, be the looser, and
        he’s dragging yours through the mud, while you’re dead?

      • idamag

        It is too bad everyone can’t see what you see. If gz had not been in the neighborhood that night, TM would have went to the store, got his ice and skittles and returned home to watch movies with his little brother.

      • RobertCHastings

        Bravo! Simple and concise analysis of the evidence provided. It is very difficult to argue with that analysis.

    • neeceoooo

      One story that came out after the trial was that the police department came out from the gate assuming that Trayvon was guilty. If this were the case, then the investigation would have gone sour from day one and remember they didn’t even charge Zimmerman for 2 months and that was only after a public outcry.

      • old_blu

        I still think a/any prosecutor wants nothing more than to charge someone and to get a win in his column, and the reason they waited 44 days was because they knew they weren’t going to be able to make a case they could win, maybe that’s because of the state of mind of people in Florida or because of the stand your ground law. I don’t know.

        • neeceoooo

          Remind me never to move to Florida.

          • idamag

            Boycott Florida. Someone might perceive you to be a threat and shoot you and if that person says he felt threatened, you die and he walks.

          • plc97477

            I doubt I will ever even vacation there. Way too dangerous of a place.

    • lana ward

      Travon Martin was a thug. He ran a fight club, broke into homes, and used skittles and watermelon tea in a concoction for homemade drugs he did. He attacked Zimmerman, sucker punching him in the nose. Stunned and falling down, Martin then smashed his head into the sidewalk

  • InsideEye

    “There are precious few significant ties between the Democratic Party apparatus and liberal commentators. ”

    Get real ! a skunk can not smell it’s own spew.

    • WhutHeSaid

      I guess you would know, Stinky.

      • InsideEye

        Just observations…….profiling I guess. … I admit it.

        • idamag

          yes, you were.

  • tax payer

    Spoon is that you? You came out and no cuss words. What happen? Have you become a Nun now? I can’t believe it ( No Cuss Words ), so maybe you have seen Satan once and for all. Oh, wait. Limpballs?

    • InsideEye

      Ahhhh! Surprised me also. KNew someone like that , a great array of cuss words. It really is a natural talent, you have to live the life , it really sounds better if heard….wonder if it can be placed on YouTube for all of us to get full benefit. Satan would not recognize Satan in a mirror, it’s like MSNBC not recognizing / knowing that someone doctored up a tape, about accusing George Zimmerman of profiling Travon Martin as a Black person, as opposed to /profiling him as being a possible break- in suspect. It’s a shame that the country is being sheepled, led , by the media. After the DOJ falls on its face in trying to bring a civil suit, it will not stop either. Look into the real background of Zimmerman and Martin…..by the way….not available until after the trial…neither admissible in court……wonder why?!!?…..it was a tragedy for all.

      • Allan Richardson

        If George had any reason to suspect that Trayvon was a possible suspect in a break-in (although there was NO reason EXCEPT being black in a mostly white neighborhood), he should have reported this to the police and WAITED for them, rather than ASSUMING this was true, and pursuing in a way that made the INNOCENT young boy fear for HIS life — for good reason, as it turned out — possibly hoping for just what happened: the chance to go “coon hunting” as the redneck bigots would call it, and get away by pleading self defense.

        • Thomas Paine

          Cry me a river!! The thug got his just deserts!

          • Allan Richardson

            Would you say that in person to his parents, his little brother, and his friends? Or would you conceal your own gun and use the meeting as a chance to kill them too?

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            Nah, he never got to finish his Skittles.

        • InsideEye

          George Zimmerman stated he was guessing as to the color of the suspect lurking in the area, when he was on meighborhood wqrch and could not identify Travon as a “coon” or not as you say bigots may say, his hoody prevented Travon from showing the whites of his eyes. When coon hunting there are other characteristics That may help indentify them, they have a unique aroma, and a distinct gait and mannerisms when approached, this knowledge of habitat/ profiling, assists in not mistaking your neighbors poodle or pet groundhog for game.

      • old_blu

        ” it’s like MSNBC not recognizing / knowing that someone doctored up a tape, about accusing George Zimmerman of profiling Travon Martin as a Black person” So what? Trayvon still was not breaking any laws no matter how it’s spun up that’s what it boils down to. He was an innocent 17 year old boy (that in the past had done things 17 year olds do) and he was killed for it. But we agree it was a tragedy for all, and has completely destroyed two families.

        • InsideEye

          He was an innocent boy, is an assumption as well, George Zimmerman was also on a neighbor hood watch and assuming that someone was possibly lurking about, all assumptions. I am armed at home, mainly for fear of bears walking around, but also living in a rural area, there is always a chance of an intruder. I am trained, and would announce my intentions as George did, Notifying police, It is a tremendous responsibility to make that decision……even a hand fight, one can back off in that case , or try and subdue an adversary. Many boys / men may get involved when young, one does not know what your opponent has in his pockets…I back off , being big guy…?the optics would be bad if i engaged anyone..

          • old_blu

            Correct me if I’m wrong. But did they find he was doing anything wrong that night before George started following him? Besides walking down the street I haven’t heard of anything else, there have been a lot of speculation and attacks on his character of things in the past, but I’m not aware of anything he was doing that night, so I think that night he was innocent.
            I don’t live in bear country, but I have many guns and a CCP and I agree it would be a huge responsibility. I had someone breaking into my car one night I saw him doing it, and when I went out to confront him I left my 1911 inside and I did that because I didn’t want to shoot someone over the contents of my car, something an old friend of mine told me years ago. ” 90% of the battle is the willingness to battle” Most men will just run from that alone. I’ve found that works for me.

          • InsideEye

            It was a neighborhood watch, with prior break ins, so the expectation is that one might come across an intruder lurking about. George Zimmerman spotted a person, called police , tried to identify accurately the street that he was on, then from fear perhaps, Travon, slugged George in the nose, thinking perhaps he was spotted or perhaps just trying to teach this guy a lesson….no witnesses to the initiation of the fight, then it went on to an unhappy end. Many boys/men experience fights, in a hand fight one can back off, but this is alway a tense situations, no one knows what the other person may have in their pockets, you have to finish or back off, both were apprenhensive surely.
            Words were exchanged ” tonight you will die” . This phraseology is sobering. If I was in a similar stress ful situation and I thought the end was coming I would react with full measure. This may have gotten out of control rapidly. We can only conjecture as to what was on each others mind.

          • old_blu

            Don’t get me wrong I understand George’s position, worrying about break-ins that had been going on, but I think and this is just my opinion, but I believe if he wouldn’t have had the gun he would have found a better way to handle the situation, I think the gun made him a lot tougher than he really was. And maybe if Trayvon would have known about the gun he would’ve found a different way to handle it as well, but he still hadn’t broken any laws before George started watching him. I’m still not saying the verdict was wrong because the jury did what they had to do with the information they were given.

          • zappa24

            Why was George trying to identify what street he was on? Had he not lived in that neighborhood for awhile by that time? Isn’t your responsibility as a member of the neighborhood watch to know the neighborhood that you are watching? Why does anyone need to get out of their car to see a street sign, even if it is dark and raining? Cars have windows, wipers, and headlights for that purpose. How is it that Zimmerman didn’t know where he was that night, but was able to give the media a tour of the area in the days following the shooting? Zimmerman’s explanation on why he was out of his car doesn’t make sense.

          • InsideEye

            I figure it is a labyrinth layout housing development or several connected streets…..after driving around one may lose their exact bearings, even in NYC with consecutive numbered streets one can lose their perspective because you are paying attention to surroundings, looking for a parking spot, perhaps. ….any number of reasons. He was able to give a tour in daylight as to where the incident happened, I am sure he would remember that. I can see in the excitement of the moment he would want to make sure of the street names……no big thing,… Has happened to me , unable to read the signage, obstructions rain on windows. I have heard this argument before and have experienced this type of situation…..minus the intruder.

          • zappa24

            According to the transcript of the 911 call, he had given an address to where Martin was AND was giving rather exact directions to that location. Then he mentions Martin has moved to a cut off and therefore can’t give an address (assuming by cut off, he meant a small alley that has no houses to give an address for. He’s describing the area in pretty great detail for someone who is lost. It still doesn’t explain why you get out of the car at that point. This is now arguing that Zimmerman got out of his car with someone he considered a threat still lurking around. The intruder makes it much more likely that you stay in your car.

            Plus, something about the 911 call doesn’t make sense here. Zimmerman claims just before he mentions Martin going to the cut off that Martin has started running. If Martin is running away from Zimmerman and Zimmerman is trying to tail him to keep track of him, isn’t stopping and looking around defeating the purpose of keeping track of him. If Martin gets away, Zimmerman’s figuring out where he is to report to the police is a moot point. The fact that Martin is running indicates that he has already decided that the best course of action is to flee instead of confront at this point. Why the sudden change?

            Putting this all the facts as mentioned in the 911 call by Zimmerman and Zimmerman’s own statements after the fact, the logical conclusion is that Zimmerman chased down Martin until Martin decided he was not going to be able to get away by running. At the same point, Zimmerman got out and confronted Martin. The law left a very small target for the prosecution to keep reasonable doubt from getting Zimmerman acquitted, and there was plenty that was not know to raise reasonable doubt quite easily. Yet, there is enough known to have a clear idea of what almost certainly happened.

          • plc97477

            A lot of what he said did not make sense.

          • neeceoooo

            That is why it would have been great to see him on the stand.

          • plc97477

            Maybe it is illegal to buy iced tea and skittles when dark complected.

          • old_blu

            : ))

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            He was an A and B student with a college scholarship and no criminal record. And it would appear that his only crime consisted of being suspicious to an armed vigilante who s
            then stalked and killed him.

        • Thomas Paine

          He wasn’t breaking any laws? How about aggravated battery? Trayvon was a street thug and got what was coming to him.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Aggravated battery? How about standing his ground? Isn’t that the premise you are using to justify Zimmerman shooting an unarmed teenager? Why should Zimmerman be free to use violence in his own defense but not Martin?

            Why don’t you just admit that you are a bigot and you are glad that another black person was killed? We all know it anyway, so why are you trying to come up with excuses? Grow some balls and admit what you are, you coward.

          • Siegfried Heydrich

            How do you know this? Because the murderer told you so?

  • midway54

    There he is, the porcine bloviator at work exciting the yahoos and rednecks. Note the EIB around his office and which also appears occasionally above his golf shirt pocket. This relates to his empty boast that his show demonstrates Excellence in Broadcasting; however, to millions of us it means Excrement in Broadcasting

  • howa4x

    the GOP is always fighting off the label that they are a bunch of old grumpy white men, who are insensitive, mean spirited, greedy, anti Latino, gay bashing women hating and racist. Then the talking heads come along and reaffirm everyone’s view of that label. To say that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Huckabee, Palin, Coulter are painting the GOP into a corner is an understatement. This is why most groups that aren’t white Christian and over 50 don’t gravitate to the message that the national GOP is trying to paint. Add to this rouges gallery of hatred all the house/senate members that can’t seem to stay away from the new media. Gomert, Bachmann, King, and senator Cruz, and you have a real witches brew. Not only do republicans seem intolerant but these people make them seem out of touch with reality. If the center of the party can’t coalesce around a kinder gentler GOP then they will devolve into a regional house driven party

    • Thomas Paine

      Hey, moron: It’s spelled “rogues” NOT “rouges.”

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        Ah, the old “I can’t rebut so I’ll criticize spelling and run away” trick, eh?

      • plc97477

        Apparently being able to spell is your only strength.

  • LotusJoan

    I have a vision of Rush, forced by lack of advertiser dollars to take a meeting with the Tidy-Boy man, in his office. Which would put Rush right where he belongs.

    Besides penile implant advertisers, Rush is sponsored by AARP. If you are a member and it concerns you that some of your membership is spent to advertise on Rush’s show –write to the AARP. Besides being offensive to most Americans, Rush does not promote AARP values. He supports the Ryan budget which would privatize social security and make Medicare a block grant to the states..

    • Thomas Paine

      Rush is doing just fine in terms of advertising revenues. Your fantasy of him taking a meeting with the Tidy-Bowl man is just that, a fantasy.

      • LotusJoan

        Sources close to Cumulus Media told Radio Ink: 48 of the top 50 network advertisers “exclude Rush and Hannity” orders; and “every major national ad agency has same dictate.” In case you did not know Cumulus Media is home to Rush’s show.

      • plc97477

        But funny.

  • elw

    It cannot be said enough times that the Republican Party is slowly and steadily killing itself with its addiction of support for the unbalanced radicalized Right base of its Party. Behaviors like passing anti-abortion laws over and over again that they know are unconstitutional, taking close to 40 votes to repeal Obamacare when they know they will not get the votes to actually repeal it, sticking to talking points that have been proven untrue even when they are confronted about them are behaviors that would put an individual into custodial care. They are desperate, their behaviors are not rational and they are causing harm to individuals and the Country. They need to go. The Stand Your Ground Laws need to go. We need a Congress that can function not one that’s idea of progress is to vote on the same un-passable bill over and over again and make the same, old, unproven claim about policies that we know do not work. let’s help them with their death wish. Protest, vote and make sure everyone you know votes as well.

    • Thomas Paine

      Your “concern” for the Republican party would be touching if it were not ludicrous; you liberals don’t give a damn about the GOP; cut out the false tears.

      • elw

        Concern? Tears? I guess you read someone else’s comment. Or, is it that twisted thinking of the alternative reality that Radical Conservatives exist in?

      • zappa24

        That is BS. A lot of Democrats understand that the country is better off with at least two functional major parties. Right now, the only functional major party is the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is falling to the type of demagoguery and hatred that you’ve been spewing all over this website.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        Actually, I would love to see the GOP return to some semblance of rationality. Our system depends on the dynamic interplay between conservative and liberal voices. And as it stands, the GOP is not ‘conservative’, it is batboop, barking at the moon crazy. I used to be a republican, but walked when the party got too noxious for me to deal with any longer.

        If the GOP doesn’t make a major change, they’re going to wind up a rump party stuck in the fetid depths of the Old Confederacy, marginalized, impotent, and largely forgotten. I had been hoping the libertarians would take this opportunity to flex their muscles, but the GOP has pretty much whipped Rand Paul into line, and now he’s a good little RINO who just speaks with a libertarian accent.

    • charleo1

      Well said! Putting old Thomas Prick on with Rush would help settle
      a lot of questions people are beginning to ask about the GOP.
      Like, what happened to the staff, if the inmates are running the asylum?
      And will President Rand Paul really move the Capital back to Richmond?
      Or things curious T-Baggers want to know. Like where does Ted Cruz
      hide his Nazi uniform between meetings? Or, with all the free time. How
      much booze is Boehner drinking nowadays? If I was him, I’d be injecting
      it by now.

      • elw

        I personally can hardly wait until they are done cutting their own throats, so we can all just move on. As entertaining it is to watch them make fools of themselves, their lack of imagination and creativity is boring.

  • Allan Richardson

    If the survivor, George Zimmerman, was to be considered innocent until proven guilty (and he was so treated by the law; the left wing media ONLY considered him guilty of bad judgement before the trial, and were outraged at the law enforcement community not even investigating until public pressure was put on them), should not Trayvon Martin be considered innocent until proven guilty? Yet we heard “conservative” commentators IMMEDIATELY praising Zimmerman for “stopping a criminal” before there was ANY evidence that Trayvon was a criminal. And there was NEVER any evidence that Trayvon was anything other than a child walking home, afraid for HIS life while being stalked by a man who, for all he knew WAS a criminal. Other than racial profiling, Trayvon had MORE PROBABLE CAUSE to be afraid of George than the reverse, especially since his vehicle had NO OFFICIAL DECAL identifying it as neighborhood watch, and he was wearing NO IDENTIFYING BADGE identifying him as neighborhood watch. Trayvon was afraid to run straight home, because to the best of his knowledge, George may have planned to harm his family; he was afraid to run anywhere else; he was afraid to call 911 himself because the police could not have come to his aid in time. So he prepared to defend HIMSELF; the Stand Your Ground philosophy applied more to HIM than to George, since George was the one who began the pursuit. Actually, he may have suspected he would not survive, but by confronting the threatening stranger, he diverted the stranger from his father and the rest of the family.

    Trayvon Martin, then, may have sacrificed himself to save his family from a man he thought (with good reason, due to his behavior) to be a home invading robber. True, both Trayvon and George may have thought the other was a criminal. But Trayvon had much more REASON to believe this, because of George’s ACTIONS. George only had Trayvon’s RACE as a “reason” to believe him a threat, at least until Trayvon RESPONDED to George’s threatening actions.

    In other words, if George Zimmerman had not believed that a black teenager in “his” neighborhood was a threat solely because of his race, or even if he had suspected so, but had ONLY given the information to the police and stepped back, BOTH men would have been alive to tell their tales, and (we hope) the PROFESSIONAL police would have asked Trayvon some questions, escorted him home, straightened out the whole affair, and probably told George to go home and leave the policing to them.

    George may have acted in self defense AT THE END, but since he STARTED the fight by pursuing Trayvon for NO RATIONAL CAUSE, he is the one who was MORALLY at fault for this boy’s death. And, like the bigots on the radio and Fox TV, he showed NO REMORSE for his lack of righteous judgement, and has STILL not apologized to the family or to the public.

    • Thomas Paine

      Trayvon was NOT scared; he was your garden variety street thug who thought he could beat down a whitey just for the hell of it and got what he deserved.

      • Allan Richardson

        And just HOW do YOU know what was in the mind of a 16 year old boy who had no IDEA that there would be any “whitey” to beat down, and whom you never met? Are you one of the friends that he talked to that night, bragging about his plans? Did you know that he was a good student and was on track to get a scholarship to college? Or that the apartment he was visiting was that of his FATHER and his father’s FIANCEE? Would a “street thug” be doing such a thing in a neighborhood where his own family lived?

        For you to ASSUME, with no evidence, and AGAINST what evidence there is, indeed even to claim to KNOW, that a person you never met was a “street thug,” makes you as evil in your heart as you pretend he was. Remember the Ninth Commandment? Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor!

        The evidence that leads up to their confrontation makes it perfectly clear that George Zimmerman was jumping to the same evil conclusion that you did, and was “hunting” for the innocent boy he perceived as a “street thug” in hopes of getting an “attaboy” from the police for capturing him. I am not even sure that he was being “beaten” against the sidewalk, unless Trayvon was defending his OWN life. The same wounds could have come from slipping on wet grass and landing face up with his head hitting the sidewalk.

        If you have any references to any prior police record of Trayvon Martin, don’t you think that the Zimmerman defense team would have brought that out in court? George Zimmerman, on the other hand, had a mixed relationship with law enforcement: he always wanted to BE a policeman, and failing that he wanted to PRETEND he was one, but the REAL police knew for some time that he only wanted to bully other people and get away with it, because he DID have several arrests for assault and domestic violence.

        Go burn your cross on some other web site. You disgust me and all other decent human beings with your bigotry.

        • Siegfried Heydrich

          TP seems to spend a lot of time on the DeadBart site, if you look at his posting history.

        • charleo1

          TP, “knows” Allen, because he’s a racist prick.
          I scraped something off my shoe the other day,
          that smelled just like him. You’re a great writer!
          Too bad the scum ball can only read Florida Hick.

        • plc97477

          The same wounds could have come from sitting down and allowing himself to fall backwards.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        Yeah, all thugs are A and B students who get college scholarships.

  • Lynda Groom

    As with any addiction before you can break the cycle you first must recognize you’ve got a problem. The GOP is still in denial of their problem with race, and a plethora of other issues. You have to want to make change before you can begin the struggle to break the chains keeping you down. I don’t see anything short term that can help the GOP with their problem. The leadership is totally weak and they’ve let the entertainment division of the Grand Old Party set the discussion. The media talking heads are in this to stir up as much trouble for the country as they possibly can. It is good for ratings and perhaps even more importantly their own pocketbooks. The winds of change are everywhere to be seen except within the GOP. The moderates and the corporate portions of the party sold their souls to the Tea Baggers to gain power in 2010. Now they find themselves diminished of any importance within the party. The extreme is running the bus further over the edge and there is nobody to blame but themselves. Of course they’ve still have Obama to use for their projection.

    • Judy in AZ

      I am a middle of the roader who leans more left than right, but do not agree with either “extreme”. I have a lot of friends of both parties, and my Republican friends are horrified and embarrassed by the policies and statements by people they used to respect. They were not fans of GWB, but find him more acceptable in retrospect, when compared to the far right of today. Most were so appalled by McCain’s sharp turn to the right when he was trying to get the nomination that they felt he had lost his honor – sort of like the soul selling to which you refer. My Republican friends are NOT bigoted or insensitive to people less fortunate than themselves and do not want to be associated with people who are because they believe that they lose credibility (with the country in general) for those who are not as extreme in their views. They believe that the Tea Party has been their own worst enemy because it drove a lot of people over to the other side where they will remain until the Republican party is again the GRAND OLD PARTY rather than a regressive, racist TEA PARTY. My friends say, and I quote more than one of them, “We want our party back.”

    • Judy in AZ

      I am a middle of the roader who leans more left than right, but do not agree with either “extreme”. I have a lot of friends of both parties, and my Republican friends are horrified and embarrassed by the policies and statements by people they used to respect. They were not fans of GWB, but find him more acceptable in retrospect, when compared to the far right of today. Most were so appalled by McCain’s sharp turn to the right when he was trying to get the nomination that they felt he had lost his honor – sort of like the soul selling to which you refer. My Republican friends are NOT bigoted or insensitive to people less fortunate than themselves and do not want to be associated with people who are because they believe that they lose credibility (with the country in general) for those who are not as extreme in their views. They believe that the Tea Party has been their own worst enemy because it drove a lot of people over to the other side where they will remain until the Republican party is again the GRAND OLD PARTY rather than a regressive, racist TEA PARTY. My friends say, and I quote more than one of them, “We want our party back.”

      • old_blu

        You are right the Republicans have been hijacked by a cancer that I call the Tea Party, and it needs to be eradicated.
        They are afraid that they are not going to please them, the NRA, Koch brothers, and the top 2% more than they care about America, and what’s best for Americans.

  • dadhoover

    If the conservative side of my family are any sign as to the rest of the country’s conservatives, they have dug in and there’s no hopes for broadening their scope of who they appeal to. Many of my most religious family members religiously listen to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and etc. They buy into everything he says and if the rest of us dispute these people the conservative family members actually get mad or refuse to talk. These talking heads hold a lot of influence over the Party and it will be touch to change.

  • Mark Forsyth

    Earlier this week in order to get a wider perspective on the Zimmerman verdict,I did what I do not usually do and tuned into Fox News.There I heard repeatedly that the case was about self defense and not about racial profiling.I don’t think I need to explain to logical and reasonable thinking people why I found this to be preposterous tripe.
    Sadly,so many gop supporters take what the Fox pundits have to say about anything as gospel truth,but do we ever see a republican politician state that”these clowns don’t speak for me”? The gop seems content to let these fools be their mouthpiece and it is not difficult to figure why as it helps to keep the coffers full.Bottom line and all that,ya know.

    • plc97477

      Even though a study showed that faux news watchers were the least informed than any other group including those who watch no news.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Yeah,guess I’ll have to check myself to make sure I didn’t pick something up through subconscious suggestion.Shame on me,I don’t know what I was thinking.Must have been a brain fart.

        • neeceoooo

          lol

  • FredAppell

    I sure would like to know what the conservative definition of a thug is. When I was a teenager I drank and smoked, raised a little hell and was often truant from school.
    I wasn’t a danger to society but I suppose by conservative standards I was a thug.
    A rebellious teen is not a thug, they are a person out to try to discover their place in the world and most of them become upstanding citizens, it’s called growing pains and it isn’t meant to be convenient for adults to deal with but most of us have gone through it and came out alright.

    • old_blu

      Absolutely Fred.

      • FredAppell

        I should have scrolled down further. I had no idea you posted the same thing hours ago. It’s great how logic has that effect.

    • Siegfried Heydrich

      According to TP, a thug is any black male.

      • FredAppell

        I got the same memo.

  • ORAXX

    The Republicans have spent a generation painting themselves into an ideological corner and their solution seems to be, adding another coat of paint.

  • imabrummie

    I did not follow the details of this case and am not acquainted with either party, Martin or Zimmerman. I just wonder how many of those who are pontificating about all of this were actual witnesses to this crime which would give them the right to say whether the Jury’s verdict was correct or otherwise.

    • FredAppell

      I only caught a few details of the trial myself and that was near the end of the trial. The reason for all the speculation is simple, we know 100% without any reason of doubt that there were a lot of character facts kept out of the trial. One huge fact kept out of the trial was that George Zimmerman was no angel either.
      Zimmerman has a long history of calling the police (over 100 calls during the past decade) which is 98 more than I have called the police in my lifetime. He was not a neighborhood watchman during that entire time. That tells me that at worst Zimmerman was an over zealous individual with a hero complex and at the very least, a busybody. I don’t like either one. Trayvon on the other hand, was no angel but he certainly wasn’t the thug that some make him out to be. He wasn’t carrying a weapon, he paid for his skittles and drink and except for the color of his skin, he was no different than me when I was his age.

      • Siegfried Heydrich

        A short, chunky, murderous Barney Fife. Only not funny.

        • FredAppell

          He got his gun back too…if that isn’t a slap in the face to Trayvon’s parents I don’t know what is. I loved your Barney Fife analogy.

          • Fern Woodfork

            No He Didn’t The DOJ Put A Stop To That Bullshit!! 🙂

      • imabrummie

        Thank you for that information of which I was not aware. My point is that most likely 90% or more of those who are now demonstrating or debating whether the Jury made the right decision are also ignorant of the facts which you have mentioned and were certainly not witness to the crime. This makes them totally unqualified to state which party did what to result in the death of the young man.

        • FredAppell

          I don’t think the numbers of calls I gave you was exact but it was in the triple digits. I’m not going to vilify him, I really do believe he is as I described him, but there isn’t that much more that I know.
          I wasn’t even aware that the shooting took place at night, I only found that out today. In reference to your last sentence, it is only my opinion that had George made a couple of different decisions that night it might have drastically changed the outcome.

  • montanabill

    Cynthia, you included Hannity in your ‘villains’ list. But I also note that the Scarborough story on Hannity is now missing from the National Memo. I suppose it was originally there to bolster your demonization, but now, having been proved to have been a totally false claim by Scarborough, what are you left with? Hannity has black Americans on his show almost every night. Are you including him simply because of his preference for airing the opinions of numerous prominent black Americans?

  • jackoooo

    O.J. da man!!!!