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Wednesday, January 16, 2019

With one careless comment, Jeb Bush revealed a fundamentally indifferent attitude toward half the U.S. electorate.

“I’m not sure we need half a billion dollars for women’s health issues,” he said in a speech at the Southern Baptist Convention in Nashville, Tennessee.

It was a throwaway aside in a longer blather about defunding Planned Parenthood, and one imagines that no sooner were the words out of his mouth than his cringing consultants were drafting a clarification.

The inevitable statement soon followed, admitting he “misspoke” and adding that “there are countless community health centers, rural clinics and other women’s health organizations that need to be fully funded.”

Too late. The game was on. Hillary Clinton blasted back, “When you attack women’s health, you attack America’s health.”

I don’t believe Bush misspoke. There’s something about abortion he wishes to ignore: Abortion is a women’s health issue. You cannot separate abortion from this context.

Oppose it or not — and I do — abortion is a medical procedure that ends an unwanted or health-threatening pregnancy. If we want to encourage the trend toward decreasing numbers of abortions in this country — and no one in their right mind wants to see more of them — we need to bolster women’s reproductive health services. That means ensuring wide access to sex education and contraceptives. (It also means honestly admitting that an overwhelming majority of Americans accept that abortion should be permitted when a pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, or when the health of the mother is threatened.)

If you oppose abortion and you’re not ready to promote the most effective ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies, you’re not serious. If you call for “defunding” Planned Parenthood — as virtually the entire Republican Party does — you are attacking a leading purveyor of contraceptives and information about how to use them for women of limited economic resources. You’re also threatening to shut down 700 clinics that provide crucial preventative health measures like pap smears and refer women for mammograms.

About 85 to 90 percent of Planned Parenthood’s work is providing these basic health services, often to low-income women without access to health insurance. That’s according to analysis of the organization done by PolitiFact. Abortions add up to about 3 percent of the organization’s services, and they are not funded with federal money.

A recent vote in the U.S. Senate to defund Planned Parenthood, which failed, called for redirecting the monies to other women’s health facilities that did not provide abortions. The problem is that there are far too few such clinics to meet the need. Moreover, the effort misunderstands how Planned Parenthood receives $528 million annually: mostly through Medicaid reimbursements and competitive Title X family planning grants.

The plain truth is that the Republicans who wish to destroy Planned Parenthood — and Bush is far from the most vociferous — really don’t care that the bulk of its work has nothing to do with abortion. Nor do they care about standards of accuracy in the accusations they make against the organization.

They have worked hand in glove with the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group inspired by the ethically dubious video techniques of conservative activist James O’Keefe. This group set up a phony front company and then lured Planned Parenthood officials into secretly videotaped conversations about providing fetal tissue for research. The group then released videos selectively edited to suggest that Planned Parenthood was in the illegal business of selling fetal tissue.

The bogusness of this charge is patently obvious when one views the unedited tapes, but that matters little to GOP opportunists, who promise all sorts of congressional inquisitions.

Fine. Hold hearings. See what you find. My guess is that it will be zilch (See: Benghazi).

Meanwhile, the American public needs to know that these new anti-abortion activists are picking up the cudgels of the folks that brought us the so-called Summer of Mercy protests that required federal marshals to restore order in Wichita, Kansas, in the 1990s. Tactics used to include clinic bombings and harassing any woman who set foot near a clinic, regardless of what services she might be seeking.

That phase of the movement failed, although it never went away. In 2009, Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller was shot dead at his church.

Pro-life activists have figured out that it’s better to co-opt the Republican Party than to engage in terrorism. That’s progress. Unfortunately, disingenuous attacks on women’s health care purely to court votes do no favors to either women or unborn babies.

(Mary Sanchez is an opinion-page columnist for The Kansas City Star. Readers may write to her at: Kansas City Star, 1729 Grand Blvd., Kansas City, MO, 64108-1413, or via email at msanchez@kcstar.com or on Twitter @msanchezcolumn)

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104 responses to “The Phony, Unprincipled War On Planned Parenthood”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    I doubt most Republicans object to the many counseling and assistance endeavors provided by Planned Parenthood. Their position is based, strictly, on its support of abortion, which for many Republicans, including at least one of the candidates running for president, includes graciously trading the life of the mother for that of a zygote. Pro-life? For a Republican that claim is limited to whose life is at stake. I wonder how many Republican women have thought this through, and understand and accept that for their hubbies they are just as disposable as a used Kleenex.

    • FireBaron says:

      Given the way they gladly run into the arms of their mistresses, their wives are more disposable than used Kleenex!

    • Independent1 says:

      Good analogy! And what not only Republicans, but millions of Americans fail to realize, is that YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE STOPPING ABORTIONS!! Any more than in the 1920 the GOP could work to abolish the drinking of alcohol (how did prohibition work out?). Nor can you ban the use of drugs even by a “war on drugs”; has that war stopped people from using drugs? Nor can you stop people by smoking POT by supposedly making the possession of it illegal!! How has that worked out??
      If these supposedly “pro-life” Republicans are so concerned about human life, why have then not worked to put the production of cigarettes and cigars out of business?? Over the years millions upon millions of more people in America and around the world have died prematurely because of the continued sale of smoking products WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO KILL!! Yet, not one Republican has ever suggested creating legislation to make the sale of smoking products illegal!! Why??
      And the second thing this fake ‘pro-life’ people fail to recognize, is that shutting down places like Planned Parenthood, which talks almost 1/4 of the women who come to them for an abortion, out of having one, will actually end up in more abortions happening, because there are virtually no other such clinics around that do that – counsel women into not having an abortion!!
      So banning abortions only succeeds in two things: increasing abortions – the opposite of the objective, and quite likely increasing the rate at which women die in a botched abortion because where they’re banned, women will seek out some way to get one, even if that means via a quack whose instrument of choice for the abortion, is a coat hanger.

  2. The lucky one says:

    “If you oppose abortion and you’re not ready to promote the most effective ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies, you’re not serious” Absolutely correct, and if you call yourself “pro-life” and spend time and energy trying to deny women control over their own health but spend none trying to help the millions of unwanted, abused, hungry children already born then YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

    • FireBaron says:

      That’s because they are “pro-birth” not “pro-life”. Otherwise, how do you explain their love for the Death Penalty for any crime more serious than Jaywalking?

      • The lucky one says:

        The only way can explain it is that such people are self-righteous pompous asses. They believe they are privy to “God’s Will”, whatever that means, and think they’re earning brownie points by pretending to be his agents on earth.

      • whodatbob says:

        Death Penalty! You are correct pro life seems to preclude believe in the death penalty.

    • whodatbob says:

      There seems to be some confusion, pro life is anti abortion as well as anti contraceptive.

      • The lucky one says:

        Yes anyone who is anti abortion as well as anti contraceptive certainly is confused.

        • whodatbob says:

          Pro life infers no artificial means to prevent conception during or after intercourse, contraception. You have described those in the middle, pro choice have issues with abortion.

  3. greenlantern1 says:

    Before Roe V. Wade; abortions were decided on a state by state basis,
    Some states allowed them and some didn’t.
    Geographical morality?
    Horribly; some states MANDATED abortions!
    Pregnant women, in prisons and insane asylums, had no say in the matter!
    Condone that?

    • ralphkr says:

      Shucks, greenlantern1, way back in the early 1900s there were 30 states with eugenics laws on the books which required “undesirables” to be institutionalized and/or sterilized. Some states still have those laws on the books. I remember a teacher (solid Republican, very few traitors, i.e, Democrats, in my state) teaching us that in a perfect world the US government would choose the proper mate for each of us in order to breed a higher grade more perfect human. Keep in mind that Hitler copied the US with his plan for a master race and with the usual German penchant for efficiency was even able to make a profit on the Holocaust.

      • greenlantern1 says:

        Father Coughlin fit right in with them!
        On the other hand; Father Damien gave his life in fighting leprosy!
        The nuns were against abortion BEFORE ROE V.WADE!
        Where were the rest of us?

  4. bobnstuff says:

    They are pro birth not pro life. O’Keef is a great at creating lies on film. Go look at his work on voter fraud. He is a master at twisting the truth into lies.

  5. paulyz says:

    Planned Parenthood, like ALL Federal Programs, need to be looked at to ensure there isn’t waste or fraud, not automatically funded or high administation costs. With a hugh National Debt, we must set priorities on where Americans’ income goes, or the money won’t be there to fund everything. Congress likes to spend money many times, without regard for Debt, for political reasons.

    p.s. I DIDN’T say shut down Planned Parenthood.

    • tomtype says:

      First, you know that most of the spending is for political reasons.
      And your suggested criteria have been met and exceeded repeatedly by PP. They are under nearly continuous scrutiny, for “political reasons” and not for misspending. Actually upon any close examination, most Federal spending, like most state spending is carefully watched. The exceptions are mostly those where there watching is deflected by charges of security.

      • plc97477 says:

        Defense spending is apparently not watched too closely.

        • Independent1 says:

          Especially when it’s one of a legislator’s biggest cash cows and he or she is trying to shovel as much money as they can to the defense contractors in their state.

        • paulyz says:

          Defense Spending, which is one of the few absolutely necessary functions of the Federal Governnent, & has DECLINED drastically under Obama, yet National Debt, poverty, unemployment, …….has greatly increased! Yet you will keep defending Obama, WHY?

          • Independent1 says:

            You sure can pile on the lies!! Fact is lowlife, if defense spending has decreased over the past 4-5 years, you have to BLAME THE GOP!! Because Congress has not accepted one of Obama’s budgets since 2011 – it’s been the GOP controlled House of Reps that has done all the budgeting since they gained control of the House in 2011!!!

            And those outright blatant lies just keep rolling along!!!!!!!!

          • Max_ says:

            You’re so funny… Ha ha…
            It’s all going to fall, and all your kings whores and all your Kings lies aren’t going to be able to put the US back together again… It was the plan the entire time FOOL!!

    • Independent1 says:

      Where were you when Reagan tripled our debt while having not instituted one program that has benefited America long term?? While Bush 1 added another 1.5 trillion with again no program implemented that has benefited America long term and Bush 2 added 6.9 trillion during his disastrous 8 years, actually creating programs that are continuing to add to our debts today, and trashing the economy so badly that it’s taken adding another 4 plus trillion to get America reasonably back on track after Georgie boy allowed thousands of companies to go belly up and over 10 million to lose their jobs!!!!!!

      And even according to Ben Bernanke, creating a far worse financial disaster than the Great Depression EVER WAS!!!!!!! Bringing the world closer to total financial collapse than another Republican, Herbert Hoover, was able to pull off in the 1930s.

      • David says:

        And the National debt increased for 7 trillion to 17 trillion under Obomo. But, it was Bush’s fault!

        • johninPCFL says:

          If you bother to look at “debt to the penny”, you’ll find that Carter passed a $400B debt to Reagan, who passed about $4T to GHWB, who passed about $5T to Clinton, who passed about $5.8T to GWB, who passed about $12.8T to Obama, who will pass some 17T to the next president.

          • tomtype says:

            Gee, David thought they ran two wars out of the petty cash box. Wars are actually the most expensive indulgence mankind has ever found.

          • Independent1 says:

            Don’t forget that the debt under Obama grew from about 13T to where it is today not because Obama was spending (under Obama, spending increases have been at the lowest rate in the past 40 plus years), the debt has continued to go up because BUSH trashed the economy so bad, that tax revenues were down 1/2 trillion per year for the first 2 years, and even though they’re coming back, tax revenues are still down 2-300 bill/yr from where they were in 2006; and on top of the reduced spending, Bush and the irresponsible GOP Congresses his 1st 6 years, passed so much legislation that was unfunded, that those pieces of legislation BUSH signed into law, are why we’re still running up deficits today.

            See this graph on Obama’s spending compared to the previous 4 presidents.

          • David says:

            Sorry, but your numbers are wrong. The debt in 2008 was 7 trillion. Now it is 18.682 trillion. Your right, it’s Bush’s fault.

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry, TOTAL BS!! The debt was 10.6t when GWB left the WhiteHouse on 1/20/09 but he had a 1.4T last budget that was still adding to the debt which ran until 09/30/09 and then Obama had to apply an 889B Stimulus to keep America from falling into a depression which essential brings GWB’s totals at 09/30/09 close to 13T.

            And on top of that, there were 2 unfunded wars still running that weren’t included in the budgets, there were 2 unfunded tax cuts still adding to the deficits (and are still adding to the debt), there was an unfunded drug benefit giveaway to Big Pharma called Medicare Part D that was still adding Billions to the debt and continue to add to the debt, there were several UNFUNDED federal mandates to the states like the idiotic No Chld Left Behind fiasco which is still adding to the debt (and which almost bankrupted half the states in the nation).

            And like I said, if it wasn’t for all those unfunded pieces of legislation that Bush and the irresponsible GOP Congresses passed during his 1st 6 years in office (the unfunded tax break that people earning under 400,000/yr are still getting which is still reducing tax revenues by over 200B/yr, the unfunded Medicare Drug benefit that adds over 100B/yr, and the unfunded state mandates to the states which add close to 100B./yr) – we wouldn’t still be adding around 300B to the debt now, we’d essentially have close to a balanced budget.

          • David says:

            I assume you accept the US Govt numbers and admit the debt is 18.682 trillion? Blame Bush all you want. The fact is Obomo increased the debt 2 1/2 times. How does it feel to be a libtard and part of the “most transparent” presidency ever?

          • Independent1 says:

            How does it feel to be so stupid that you can’t see facts when you see them and just love to make up blatant lies!! I don’t care what the current debt is – IT’S ALL GEORGE BUSH’S FAULT!! SO ADD ON ALL YOU WANT!!!!!!!!

          • Max_ says:

            I know you started out arguing with a crazy person a crazy donkey no less, but it appears as though you may be pushing her into Hillary land, Next she will be saying what difference does it make, Ha ha…

          • David says:

            You are so right!!! But, at least she hasn’t wiped her server clean—yet!!

          • johninPCFL says:

            Reagan inherited $400B from Carter who passed $4T to GHWB, who passed $5T to Clinton, who passed $5.8T to GWB, who passed $12.8T to Obama, who will pass $18T to his successor. Source: DebtToThePenny

          • johninPCFL says:

            The national debt on 9/30/2009 (the last day of GWBs last spending bill) was $12.8T.

        • Independent1 says:

          Total BS!! Where you do you RWNJs pull all these fabrications of reality from??? The same place where you have your heads?? Your butts!!!

          • David says:

            Well, I admit I was wrong. The debt is not 17 trillion, according to the U.S. Government FY15 numbers, we will be at 18.682 trillion in debt by the end of the year. Fabrication? Well, DA…read what the government is saying.

          • Independent1 says:

            So read what I just posted for you and send GWB and your idiot GOP legislator a nasty letter telling them to stop spending money like drunken sailors (just look at the graph I posted above to see how Reagan and the 2 Bushes increased spending like drunken sailors) and passing legislation without paying for it and that includes running 2 wars which weren’t even included in the budgeting process!! (And keep in mind that the graph I posted doesn’t include the spending Reagan and the 2 Bushes did outside their budgets, like paying for 2 wars and all those unfunded pieces of legislation. If they were included in that graph the spending for all of them would be way over 10%/yr spending increases.)

      • paulyz says:

        Typical juvenile reply, trying to blame long-past comparrisons instead of “admitting” what everyone else knows, that Obama almost doubked the Nat. Debt from an already HUGE number. $18 TRILLION & growing rapidly, & absolutely nithing to even show for it.

        • Independent1 says:

          Most RWNJ trolls claim the truth is propaganda. So now you’re trying to pretend that THE TRUTH!!! Happens to now be JUVENILE??? Wow!! You RWNJs just can live WITH REALITY!! CAN YOU!!!

        • Independent1 says:

          Obama’s recovery is worse than the recession?? WHEN THERE’S BEEN 65 STRAIGHT MONTHS OF JOBS GROWTH, EXCEEDING THE JOBS GROWTH NUMBER FOR CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF POSITIVE GROWTH BY OVER A YEARS WORTH BEYOND THAT OF ANY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!!

          BOY, YOU’RE DUMBNESS JUST GETS BIGGER AND BIGGER WITH EVERYONE OF YOUR BLATANT LIES!!!!!!!!!

          • Max_ says:

            You’re a idiot,.. Mostly part time, service, and government jobs MORON!!!!!!.. Here is a entire page of the truth on this subject..
            Obama will preside over the fall of the USA that’s the only Change you can believe in, and you will just blame it on someone or something else.. You’re all FOOLS!!!!
            https://www.google.com/#q=Obama+owns+worst+economy

    • Paul Bass says:

      PP is NOT a federal program. It is its own organization.
      All of its books are audited according to the GAAP standards used for all public and private companies in America. So they are held to the same standards as everyone else.

      • paulyz says:

        But Federally Funded by ALL taxpayers, for mostly leftist ideology, not “just women’s health”, but politically motivated by special interests. What “standards” were used for the harvesting & selling of babies’ organs?

        • Paul Bass says:

          Again, NOT federally funded! It is its own organization!

          Yes, woman’s heath, the vast majority of PP work, is a leftist ideology. Just like the truth has a leftist bias.

    • nana4gj says:

      PP has been scrutinized so many times by so many entities and each time found to have kept meticulous books of income, sources of it, and expenses and how they are expended, keeping federal money apart from contributions and donor money, and any modest fee for service they may collect from some clients.

  6. charleo1 says:

    Of course the Republican Party’s campaign against PP is unprincipled. The sad reality is, to the one issue ideologue, it doesn’t matter. The fact that PP would be defunded for false, and specious accusations, and that would deprive 100s of thousands of the poorest women in the Country of their only feasible access to life saving preventative diagnostics, and to inexpensive or free, and abortion preventing contraception, doesn’t matter either. So the Republican’s unending campaign against PP doesn’t make sense on any other level, but the ideologue’s. It’s defunding wouldn’t save money, but actually cost much more money. As undetected illnesses ravaged untested bodies. And, many thousands of preventable deaths, and orphaned children, would surely be the result. The ideologue however, is undaunted by what he views as collateral damage, in his unending quest to implement his single minded agenda by any means necessary. As is always the case with ideologues, the ends are paramount, the means of little or no importance.

    But to find the truth of the matter, we must look to a larger reality underlying this situation. Where a National Party, assumedly accountable to the best interests of the People, would choose such an impractical, and unpopular tact. Why would a National Political Organization choose to involve itself in such a contentious, and divisive issue already ruled on by the High Court? And the answer to that question goes to the heart of what has been happening to a deeply troubled, and deeply in trouble, Republican Party. That has devolved into what can only be described as a Party of single issue ideologues. A Party who’s constituent’s agendas often make absolutely no sense to pursue in terms of good governance, cost valuable time, sow seeds of animus, and fail to improve the lives of exactly no one, or add value to to the Country, in any substantive way. And to make matters even more confused, one ideological group’s agenda is often in direct conflict with the other’s. “Criminalize all abortion.” Says one Ideologue. “Get the Government out of our lives,” demands another. Creating this mismatch of square pegs, and round holes, Republicans wind up spending inordinate amount of their time, and energy attempting to serve this gaggle of single issue, masters. Serving them all poorly. And, as one might guess, their cauldron of fanatical ideologues, is seething with anger, and dissatisfaction. As the bigger issues facing the Nation, go unheeded, and fester. But, they have charted their course, made their bed, and have come so far down this path, they feel they cannot turn from it, and survive.

  7. plc97477 says:

    The problem with gotp’s view of Planned Parenthood, is that many of them don’t believe in contraception. The bible says be fruitful so every time there is sex a baby should be made, hence their love of the duggars.

    • Independent1 says:

      God said that when he was trying to populate the earth. He also didn’t say anything early on when the patriarchs were committing adultery and having children with their wive’s handmaidens. But he clearly changed all that when Jesus came and not only put the kybosh on men having multiple wives – he also put the kybosh on men and women having multiple sex partners FOR LIFE when Jesus said that if a married man even looks lustfully after another women he’s committing adultery in his heart; and that if he divorces a woman and either of them mate with someone else – they are committing adultery.
      Why is it these supposedly religious zealots can see that God has changed the game?? He’s not stupid. He knew 2000 years ago that our plant’s resources were going to be stretched by the increasing population and was even then trying to slow it down by edicting that men and women should have one sex partner FOR LIFE!!!
      God is no longer a proponent of what the Duggars have done.

      • plc97477 says:

        God may not be stupid but I am not sure we can say them same about the gotp.

      • whodatbob says:

        The Old Testament is the Jewish story of creation. There are many different stories of creation. It is our belief that all humans are created equal in the eyes of God. What makes Jewish story the only correct correct one? Why would anti Jewish Christians care about a Jewish story of creation?

        The New Testament is the four versions of the life of Jesus, Gospels, that were accepted by the early Catholic Church. Why only those four? Why would Protestants follow dictates of the Catholic Church? Which of the several versions is the correct version?

        Perhaps, God in His infinite wisdom is not a control freak. Perhaps, God is all knowing, all loving, and all forgiving as Christians believe Him to be. All this argument is a crock so BS.

        Just wondering.

      • whodatbob says:

        God loves all. The bible says so.

    • Muawiyah says:

      I believe in contraception, and I do not believe in selling human flesh by the pound.

      You people are barbarians

  8. Carolyn1520 says:

    The moral majority turn tea party(because their religious platform wouldn’t fly and patriotism is a good cover) are determined to impose all of their religious beliefs on everyone by any method . They believe the end justifies the means so even acts that are morally wrong on their own are okay with them. They are the American Taliban.

  9. Karen Bille-Golden says:

    It is a misplaced sense of heroism by those claiming to save not-yet human lives from being aborted. Wake up pro-lifers there are a lot of people already in your neighborhoods and communities who could benefit from your .”pro” life stance. Oh yeah, I forgot, they’re supposed to pull themselves up by their non-existent boot straps.

    • RED says:

      That’s some of the most disgusting and hypocritical aspect of the whacko anti-choice nut bags. They couldn’t give a crap about life.

  10. Wayne Thorson says:

    Where the pro-lifers are wrong is they don’t understand that nobody thinks abortion is right. The pro-choice people don’t want to be in the position to make that choice for someone else. If my wife was having a baby and the doctor came and told me that if we didn’t abort the baby I was going to lose my wife it would be a no brainer. I would choose to abort.

  11. jif6360 says:

    Not saying I’m for it or against it. Point: politicians don’t really care. Life or justice has no meaning to them. They’ll take the position that give them the best opportunity to be in controle.
    http://www.judicialimmunitynecessaryevil.com/acts-of-treason.html. http://www.judicialimmunitynecessaryevil.com/petition.html

  12. David says:

    There are over 55 million dead because of the abortions performed by Planned Parenthood. As they describe them, “Fetal cadavers”. We need to do everything to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

    • bobnstuff says:

      You do know that number includes D&C’s after miscarriages. In places where PP is strong unwanted pregnancies go down. In places with good women’s health services, abortions go down and not all PP offices do abortions.

    • nana4gj says:

      A dead body is a cadaver.

    • nana4gj says:

      For centuries, women who miscarry at home have flushed the remnants of a miscarriage down the commode. It is a traumatic experience, either way, miscarriage or abortion, and should not be “judged” by others, who have no understanding of the individual situation, and it is shameful that these women are subjected to the incivil discourse that prevails.

    • dpaano says:

      David: Nana’s first post clearly explains the questions you asked me from a recent post on another article, especially about the “doctored’ video. You can also check this on Factchecker. As for your claim of 55M dead because of so-called abortions performed by PP…..they only perform 3% of the abortions in the United States and only a couple of the facilities do this…..not all of them.

  13. Whatmeworry says:

    As usual the pro death group misrepresents PP. They do NO mammograms never have. They haven been the leader in the 55 million babies who have been murdered since Roe V Wade

    • nana4gj says:

      Some PP clinics do not perform the mammograms, themselves, but they refer out to providers who have agreed to work with PP and who do the tests.

    • Robert Cruder says:

      Just what facts do you use to support that claim? Have you visited one PP site, asked one PP client or read the legally required and audited annual reports?

      Repeating claims that one heard in the church basement (where only followers of Satan would ask for proof) makes one appear a clown in the world of facts and reason.

    • nana4gj says:

      The point being to refute your implication that PP misrepresents the services it provides as with mammograms. PP does some screenings at every clinic themselves and other screenings that require highly trained, technical staff, such as technicians who perform the mammograms and physicians who read them, out to providers who have those resources in place and who have agreed to provide specific services for PP.

      PP may draw lab work for screenings, such as diabetes, STD, collect the specimens, but they do not do the analysis in a lab; they refer out, as many private MD offices do.

      • Whatmeworry says:

        Your flat wrong they are unable to perform mammograms

        • nana4gj says:

          Did I say that PP clinics actually perform mammograms in their clinics? No, I did not. I said these are diagnostic procedures that require specially trained technicians, expensive equipment, and physicians to read and interpret the results. PP does not have the resources to provide such highly trained and specialized requirements. I said, they refer women to providers in the community who DO have these resources in place and who have agreed to perform these services on a referral basis for PP clinics, as part of the PP women health services.

          Not even every MD/GYN has these resources in their offices. Usually, mammograms are done in outpatient radiology centers with specialties in Mammography as part of the services and physicians usually refer their own patients to these centers. It is rare that a woman has a mammogram in a physician’s office. She receives a referral, a RX, to have it done in a Center of OP radiology that performs these tests.

          PP does the same: include breast screening tests in their women’s health assessments, referring them out to the same resources as any other physician’s office or clinic.

          • Whatmeworry says:

            So your answer he is PP doesn’t perform mammograms and that patients are wasting their time going there

          • nana4gj says:

            You know very well that is not my answer. The people who seek health exams and screenings from PP cannot afford to go to a private primary care physician who do the basic exams and make the referral out to the specialized radiology centers that DO perform mammograms. PP refers diagnostic tests that cannot be done in their clinics to specialists, in the same way any other private physician office does. Does that mean we are all wasting our time going to primary care physicians?

            I don’t know if you are male or female, or if you have ever been to a physician’s private office for care and been referred to a radiology center for xrays and tests, to a lab for blood work, to another specialist physician, et al. Mammograms are simply not performed in the private offices of physicians. They are done in radiology centers.

            I know of no one else who does not already know this, or who expects their private physician to provide every single need they have for healthcare. I think you are being deliberately obtuse, for the sake of argument. I can do no more than state the facts and the reality of how the system works. The rest is up to you, but, I will not argue or debate an issue that is not an issue with you.

          • dpaano says:

            Nana….it’s like talking to a wall, isn’t it? For some reason, this idiot doesn’t seem to be able to understand the very simple explanations that you offer…..typical for the GOP types! As a note, my own physician refers me to a radiology center specifically for my mammogram. They also do bone density tests, etc. HE doesn’t have the equipment in his office to handle this, as most physicians don’t. Not sure why that’s so difficult for this individual to understand. Apparently, since he’s not a woman or a doctor, he can’t seem to figure it out. Additionally, my doctor also sends me to an outside lab for my quarterly lab work…he doesn’t do it in his office because he doesn’t have the facilities.

        • dpaano says:

          What an idiot….do you ACTUALLY read the posts before you spout out your inane comments? Seriously….I believe Nana has said MANY times that the PP facility itself does not perform the mammograms…..they refer their patients to radiology groups who perform them for PP. They also do not do abortions in their facilities…..they are sent out to qualified physicians/OB doctors who have offered their services to PP for their patients.

    • nana4gj says:

      You cannot read or comprehend, apparently. I never said PP clinics actually perform mammograms, themselves. I said they refer this highly specialized diagnostic test that requires specially trained technicians and physicians to read, interpret them, out to providers in the community who have those resources on site and who have agreed to accept these referrals from PP.

    • nana4gj says:

      Did I say that PP clinics actually perform mammograms in their clinics? No, I did not. I said these are diagnostic procedures that require specially trained technicians, expensive equipment, and physicians to read and interpret the results. PP does not have the resources to provide such highly trained and specialized requirements. I said, they refer women to providers in the community who DO have these resources in place and who have agreed to perform these services on a referral basis for PP clinics, as part of the PP women health services.

      Not even every MD/GYN has these resources in their offices. Usually, mammograms are done in outpatient radiology centers with specialties in Mammography as part of the services and physicians usually refer their own patients to these centers. It is rare that a woman has a mammogram in a physician’s office. She receives a referral, a RX, to have it done in a Center of OP radiology that performs these tests.

      PP does the same: include breast screening tests in their women’s health assessments, referring them out to the same resources as any other physician’s office or clinic.

      It is cost prohibitive for physicians to provide mammograms in their own offices and clinics. They cannot keep current with newest diagnostic machinery; cannot afford the highly skilled and trained technicians and the ongoing continuing educational requirements; cannot afford to have a radiologist on site trained to read and interpret mammograms. They refer the woman to a radiology center who has all of the resources required to perform and interpret the diagnostic test.

      • Whatmeworry says:

        Obama Care covers it so there is no excuse to use PP

        • nana4gj says:

          Obamacare of course covers mammograms that are ordered by physicians for women. Obamacare requires individuals/families to purchase health insurance policies on an exchange, with some qualifying based on financial critera for federal subsidies, and some not.

          For those who cannot afford to purchase even with federal subsidies, there is Medicaid Expansion, opening Medicaid not just for the indigent, as before, but for those who have income but not enough to purchase their own healthcare insurance. Medicaid also covers mammograms. But many Red States have not taken advantage of Medicaid Expansion in Obamacare, which the federal government pays 100% for, ie, no cost to States, for the first 3 years, and 90% of the cost, thereafter.

          The same Red States, and others, are shutting down PP clinics, who had been able to have mammograms done at no cost or reduced costs, for women who had no insurance or who were under-covered. There are still many women now without insurance and without the services of PP and they cannot access mammograms or anything else.

          Since mammograms screenings are part of a woman’s physical exam and are preventive care, they are now at no out of pocket costs to all women, because Obamacare has made all preventive care at no out of pocket costs, ie, no co-pays, for everyone.

          However, a woman must have a physician’s order to take to the radiology center for a mammogram. A woman would then need to have access to a physician or a health clinic to get the referral/order for the radiology center for a mammogram.

          So, while there are many ways people can access healthcare today, there are still many ways they cannot, because Republicans refuse to expand Medicare and choose to shut down clinics that provide basic health care services for women.

          One must meet criteria for Obamacare eligibility; for Medicaid eligibility; for Medicaid Expansion eligibility; and, if they were all available in every state, there may be little need for clinics like PP. But,they are not, and fewer PP clinics are in operation.

          So, the answer is not as simple as you assume.

          • Whatmeworry says:

            There are 200 times more FREE clinics across the country covering womens HC issues than PP. None of which sell baby parts for a profit

          • dpaano says:

            PP does NOT sell “baby parts” to anyone….they provide stem cells and cord blood for use in research to find cures for many of the diseases that are prevalent in this day and age. They have NO need for actual “parts,” so to speak! Unfortunately, the GOP doesn’t seem to know the difference!

    • dpaano says:

      Apparently, since you are NOT a woman, you obviously have never been to a Planned Parenthood facility. They DO perform mammograms; however, they are referrals to facilities with the proper equipment…have had quite a few through PP before I got a great job with medical benefits. Without them, I would not have known if I had breast cancer or not. Fortunately, I didn’t, but it was nice to know that I didn’t and had a mammo every year to make sure.

  14. nana4gj says:

    Well put.

    Hard to understand how Pro Life can mean, when War is thought to be the most important means to solve the world’s ills and that it is “stronger” than is diplomacy that results in agreements with the international community of nations, that are transparent and with consequences, good and bad, for compliance or non-compliance.

    Or when women are forced to birth babies conceived from violent crimes perpetrated against them, or, are ill-prepared to raise those babies, as they would prefer; or absent fathers do not participate in the shared responsibility; or when they are not yet grown adolescents or teens; and when every support system in society is denied to the child and the mother, including basic access to healthcare, food, living wages, and quality public education and child care, or follow up home visits from professionals for high risk families, such as is available in European countries.

    Or when the same Pro Lifers believe that increasing access to healthcare for every American, that is provided on a consistent basis and not “episodic”; is preventive as well as acute care, condemns them to a “death sentence” and they spend the majority of time in Congress attempting to repeal, defund, and shut it down, over 51 times, even shutting down the government to accomplish their goal.

    Or when the Pro Lifers claim to know so much about human anatomy and physiology that they can dictate the management of healthcare to women and those with rare infectious diseases that have the potential of epidemic proportions, better than those who have invested in an education on the issue of health management and epidemiology and infectious diseases, yet, they cannot take a sensible, practical position on climate change and legislate those behaviors of humans and industry that pollutes the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, because, “I am not an expert”, or they found a part of the Bible that tells them what they want to believe, but, not the part of the Bible that exhorts us to care for the world we inhabit.

    Medical science has been using aborted and miscarried fetuses and human cadavers of all ages with which to educate, research, for centuries. How else are those fetuses in jars of formaldehyde that Pro Lifers use for purposes of arguing their point get in those jars? How do we know the effects of too much alcohol on a liver when we cannot see for ourselves the diseased liver in a jar of formaldehyde? Or any other major organ of the body? How can all of those who rush to get their cardiac bypass surgery today if hearts of dead people, however they died, were not used for research and for practice? Much of the benefits, the progress of medical science and care today, is the result of what many would find “distasteful”, “eerie”, and would rather not think about, although there are tomes of ethics that guide those engaged in medical science, research, and education. Ethics, however, does not prohibit the conduct of conversation that may be ongoing among professionals when dealing with delicate issues, and, were they to be filmed and taped, they are at risk for being defunded, as well, particular if there were nefarious intent involved, for the express purpose of political exploitation.

    Some people, however, like myself, believe that when our bodies die, the soul and animus leaves and what is left is an empty shell, simply, a body that can be put to better use in the service of mankind than put in the ground to rot and not even compost to feed the soil since it is in a $10,000 iron box. Some mothers feel the same way about the child that could not be a child.

    As with choosing at end of life to opt for palliative care or Hospice care, instead of aggressive and futile care that prolongs death, not quality of life, some of us have strong feelings about the government telling us that we have no choice and must do as the Governor of a state wants us to do because He believes something else.

    Government intrusion into private, personal choices that are legal and medically sound and available, does not comport with the “individual responsibility” extolled by the Republican ideology.

    • Daniel Jones says:

      I will explain this simply.

      To these clowns, women–or other women–need to be pregnant, “safe” in the kitchens and voting like hubby wants, if at all.

      Anything promoting health, wealth, or independence to all women instead of the Chosen Elite is to be shunned, scorned, and stoned, by which I mean crushed to death.

      Like it or not, the extreme anti-gynecology crowd serves the political goal of keeping “wimmin” pregnant and barefoot.

      Don’t like it? Don’t be that way!

    • dpaano says:

      Nana…..excellent post. Thank you for saying what I wish I had said!! Personally, I’m against abortion (for myself); however, I still believe in pro-choice. A woman is the ONLY person who has the right to make a life-changing decision on whether or not to continue to carry a child. Until men grow uteri and are able to have children or at least take the responsibility for them….they need to butt out! This decision should be ONLY between the woman, her doctor, and the significant other (if he even sticks around). The Government should have NO say in anything having to do with medical decisions. For some reason, they seem to gravitate to abortions…..what’s wrong with having a problem with someone having their appendix out or having weight-loss surgery? Why aren’t they screaming about this? Of course, they seem to have this misbegotten notion that a very small fetus is a person, and it’s been medically proven that this is not the case!

  15. onlein says:

    “Pro-life” usually is for further reducing our already pathetic safety net. The Netherlands, for one example, has an extensive safety net and an abortion rate a tiny fraction of ours. There, no woman has to have an abortion for lack of finances, good medical care, and adequate nutrition for self, zygote, embryo and fetus.

    • dpaano says:

      Thank you…..I have to agree with you. They seem to care more about what’s going on in a women’s uterus than they do with what’s going on AFTER the baby is born!

  16. Böcker says:

    Abortion is a constitutionally protected right but you wouldn’t know it from all the rightwing bills passed to deny access.

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