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Thursday, September 29, 2016

Today In Stupid: North Carolina Considers A Law Against Predicting Sea Level Rise

Today In Stupid: North Carolina Considers A Law Against Predicting Sea Level Rise

Perhaps searching for a way to one-up their much derided anti-marriage law, North Carolina lawmakers are considering ban on science with a new bill that would essentially make it illegal to predict a rise in the sea level.

After a state-appointed board of scientists determined that a one meter rise in sea level is likely by the year 2100 — echoing the scientific consensus on the issue — a coastal economic development group called NC-20 decided to push back against the results. They are upset that such an estimate would thwart development along the coast, as it would be illegal to build in the “flood zone” where there is under one meter of elevation.

“If you’re wrong and you start planning today at 39 inches, you could lose millions of dollars in development and 2,000 square miles would be condemned as a flood zone,” Tom Thompson, the chairman of NC-20, told News & Observer of Raleigh.

So, with NC-20’s support, Republican lawmakers circulated Replacement House Bill 819. The key language can be found in section 2, paragraph e:

[Rates of sea level rise] shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly to estimate future rates of rise but shall not include scenarios of accelerated rates of sea-level rise.

Scientific American‘s Scott Huler explains why this is completely insane:

North Carolina legislators have decided that the way to make exponential increases in sea level rise – caused by those inconvenient feedback loops we keep hearing about from scientists – go away is to make it against the law to extrapolate exponential; we can only extrapolate along a line predicted by previous sea level rises.

Which, yes, is exactly like saying, do not predict tomorrow’s weather based on radar images of a hurricane swirling offshore, moving west towards us with 60-mph winds and ten inches of rain. Predict the weather based on the last two weeks of fair weather with gentle breezes towards the east. Don’t use radar and barometers; use the Farmer’s Almanac and what grandpa remembers.

  • It is one thing to be afraid of science and facts, but it is something else to try and legislate even a scientific discussion. What the hell is wrong with these folks? I understand that the GOP is afraid of science, reality and logic but this is just plain stupid. Ignorance can be fixed, but in this case it is stupidity which is too the bone.

  • Kenneth Bailey

    The GOP being afraid of science is an understatement. I do not believe they can comprehend science due to its very nature of being abstract and based on hard core science along with reductionist theory and deducement in lieu of inducement such as was practiced in the Dark Ages. When we look at their desire to incorporate “Creationiism” into K-12 and college education you will see that the GOP want to make understanding evolution to parallel their Bible beliefs thus dumbing down the intellectual capacity of our posterity. Their ilk will destroy our competitive edge if we do not draw a line in the sand now. We have already fallen to number 13 in the world for science and math. We are losing our scientific edge faster than we lose men and women on the battlefield to fight the GOP wars.

  • JohnRNC

    In the early ’80s, Secretary of the Interior James Watt announced that there was no reason to conserve natural resources b/c Jesus would come back soon and we wouldn’t need them. Despite the outrage over this kind of attitude in gov’t, we seem to be right back there and then some. Much of the federal budget cutting has targeted the EPA and NASA – specifically to prevent the US from replacing satellites that provide data about global climate change. We now depend on satellites from other nations for much of this data. Welcome to stick-your-head-in-the-sand-and-take-the-money leadership.

  • It has nothing to do with not believing in science. It has everything to do with profits. If they legislate taking future considerations out of planning, they can reap millions now and let future generations worry about the loss. Just like strip mining and fracking. It is all about personal gain without caring about the future. The GOP are not stupid. These ones, however, are excessively greedy and will sell of the future generations for the wealth of today. They know the science is valid. They know they won’t be here in 2100. So, they want the money now and let others pay later.

    • ObozoMustGo

      uhhhhh… DNT…. lets talk about excessive greed for real. What do you call a government that borrows TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS from future generations yet unborn, heaping an unpayable debt upon them and destroying their currency?

      In truth, the greediest of them all is our government! I know you leftist nutjobs don’t like truth, but that doesn’t change the fact that our government is run by the greediest people that planet earth has ever seen.

      I know, I know…. (in my best whiny leftist voice) but George Bush spent all that money and blah blah blah blah blah….. Bush was bad fiscally, Obozo is an absolute disaster! The 2 of them combined are killing our fiscal stability. That is the objective truth. Not campaign spin. Just truth.

      Have a nice day!

      • AdamMos

        Does anyone have an umbrella out there? It is raining BS in here.

        • ObozoMustGo

          you are living proof that leftist nutjobs and useful idiots do not like truth. You have no response.

          The US Government is the greediest organization in the history of the world! Hands down. No question about it.

          Have a nice day!

          • AdamMos

            You need to get a life and please leave the country while you are at it.You are a real tough guy behind your computer. My seven year old daughter could kick your butt. Now I need galoshes too.

      • Bozo, Bozo I would call that the George W Bush govenrment. He took us from a surplus to a huge debt, started 2 wars, signed a prescription law that was financed by any taxes and didn’t get Osama. Who is running the Gov’t, doesn’t the republicans control the house and don’t they fillibuster just about every law put in fornt of them. And yes we will remind you that W doubled the debt. You always criticizing the gov’t tell me you great plans to lower the debt, speicifics not your general categories.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Billy boy… your comments make you look foolish and stupid. I am sorry to say that. Really I am. 🙁

          1) GWB – did not have a “surplus” in National Debt. The National Debt is the total of all the budget deficits combined in years prior. Bush came into office at about $6T and left at $10T after 8 years. Obozo has taken it from $10T to $16T in 3.5 years. Both were bad, Obozo is worse.

          2) Bush had to deal with DemocRATS control of the House and Senate since Jan 2007. Spending since Piglosi and Reid skyrocketed. Bush wasnt strong enough to say NO.

          3) You are correct about the prescription drug law. Absolute boondoggle. Just like Obozo care will be, except Obozocare will dwarf the Rx bill. (hopefully the SCOTUS throws that whole thing out like a piece of trash)

          4) Obozo had a supermajority of DemocRATS for 2 full years. YES…. TWO FULL YEARS. What did he do? Spend spend spend spend… any budget? Naaaahhh… He doesnt want a budget so he can run from his spending.

          5) Repubs control the House, not the Senate, you dope. The Senate is where fillabusters take place. Dirty Harry, D-NV, controls the Senate and decides what comes to the floor and what does not. The House, since Jan 2011, has sent dozens and dozens of completed legislation to the Senate and Dirty Harry has thrown all of them in the garbage. Who is the obstructionist here, you dummy?

          6) The US Government is the greediest organization in the history of mankind. It is a a simple and indisputable fact! No one else on planet earth has displayed such raw and unchecked greed as the US Government. Not even close.

          Have a nice day!

      • Justin Napolitano

        Obozo it back. He doesn’t understand what a complete ignoramus he is and insists on boring us with his total BS. By the way much of the debt: 16 trillion and counting, is in fact valued in the infrastructure that we have built. What is the United States of America worth? What is the value of all of the roads, bridges, schools, railways, airports, public buildings, military and treasury of the country? What is the value of of all of our citizen and their intellectual collective gained through our school systems? These are the things that the 16 trillion dollars represent. It is not a debt but should be considered a measure of the money we have spent for our collective benefit.
        I could make an argument that some of this money was wasted but in the capitalistic system every dollar spent gets multiplied by moving through each person or business handling it. It is quite simple, if I spend a dollar for some product or service, and the person receiving it spends it and the person after that spends it it is multiplied throughout the system.
        Some say the multiplying effect is 5 times so 16 trillion in debt represents 80 trillion in economic activity. which happens to be about 5 years of our gross domestic product.

        I know it is impossible to convince obozo of basic math but I will try. If Bush doubled the deficit, which most economists believe happened, taking the debt to 11 billion dollars then Obama has raised it by less than 33 percent.
        Sorry obozo but you are not objective in your writing and only wish to spout your hateful views.

        • rockin_the_bay_in_Tampa

          Obozo is one of those people that no matter what you tell them or what you present as viable evidence to back up your information, they are NOT going to change their minds, even if their lives depended on it…he is, as one guy put it, mister big behind his computer, in real life he would most likely get his ass beat. Ignore him, and tell him to have a BAD day!

        • ObozoMustGo

          Hello Justin. I’ll try to reply to the more interesting points you’ve made.

          >”By the way much of the debt: 16 trillion and counting, is in fact valued in the infrastructure that we have built. What is the United States of America worth? What is the value of all of the roads, bridges, schools, railways, airports, public buildings, military and treasury of the country? What is the value of of all of our citizen and their intellectual collective gained through our school systems? These are the things that the 16 trillion dollars represent. It is not a debt but should be considered a measure of the money we have spent for our collective benefit.””I could make an argument that some of this money was wasted but in the capitalistic system every dollar spent gets multiplied by moving through each person or business handling it. It is quite simple, if I spend a dollar for some product or service, and the person receiving it spends it and the person after that spends it it is multiplied throughout the system.
          Some say the multiplying effect is 5 times so 16 trillion in debt represents 80 trillion in economic activity. which happens to be about 5 years of our gross domestic product.””I know it is impossible to convince obozo of basic math but I will try. If Bush doubled the deficit, which most economists believe happened, taking the debt to 11 billion dollars then Obama has raised it by less than 33 percent.
          Sorry obozo but you are not objective in your writing and only wish to spout your hateful views.”<

          Justin, you must be very young. Just out of college perhaps. But you certainly are susceptible to buying the Obozo campaign propaganda and lies. The numbers you are citing are the newest effort of team Obozo to claim that he was not responsible for anything in 2009. How stupid does he thing people are? Only the most hardcore leftist nutjob and useful idiot actually believes that he did nothing for a year after he was inaugurated. Dont you remember the $800B porkulous bill he had to pass so that unemployment would not go over 8%? Dont you remember that he had complete control over the Congress for 2 years? Dont you remember that with that control, they elected to NOT pass any budgets, but instead did continuing resolutions and spending bills that ran $1.5 TRILLION dollar deficits EVERY YEAR? Where have you been? Talk about not being objective? shheeeessh… if you cant admit to basic facts, that's not my problem, it's yours.

          By the way, you must learn that if you are going to criticize someon on their math abilities, you had better have your ducks in a row and not lo0k like a fool. You say that "Bush doubled the deficit" but then cite the national debt. 2 things. First, the deficit and national debt are related but are 2 separate numbers. The deficit is the annual amount of spending that exceeds revenues. The debt is the running total of all past deficits combined. And second, its NOT in billions, my friend. Regretably, it's in the TRILLIONS.

          Be careful before you criticize.

          Have a nice weekend!

      • You’re in the wrong blog jerk. This not about Paranoia of the Government and Obozo. The right is realizing that the environment is in trouble as well. You don’t need to be a leftist or even a centrist anymore. Look at the Green Republicians.

      • hubydoll166

        The post above you was meant for you obozo..I replied to the wrong person.

      • I’d have a nicer day, if I knew that the ‘unborn’ were protected from future crushing debt by the right of a woman to choose whether or not to give birth to said unborn. And now you know….the rest of the story.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Yes, Kathie, you are correct. Better to just kill ’em, right! They’re just useless pieces of meat that are nothing but problems anyway, right? Save them from the hell of life by killing them. That makes sense, doesn’t it? Yeah, right. Sure. Sure.

          Have a nice weekend, Kathie!

      • MikeCassidyAHS

        ObozoMustGo;
        I’m willing to bet that the federal government is better off economically than you.
        If you debt exceeds you annual income, then you’re worst off than the federal government. Is the federal government’s debt greater than the Gross Domestic Profit?, I don’t think so.
        Mike Cassidy
        Utica, Md.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Actually Mike, the debt is bigger than the GDP. Sorry. Look it up. And no. My debt is n0t bigger than my GDP. Sorry again.

          Have a nice day!

          • MikeCassidyAHS

            Disqus generic email templateWhere would you suggest I find this information, if the U S had 25 trillion dollars in debt, or 50 trillion, you tell me that is more than all the combined corporate profits in the country? congratulations, you and I are one of the FEW who have a debt less then their annual income, you must totally own your own home as I do, I never took out a second mortgage, just so I could satisfy a need for more stuff..

          • ObozoMustGo

            On second thought Mike, our GDP is not even close to our debt if we include the unfunded liabilities of SS and Medicare. Then it’s between 50 – 70 trillion. And if you are are against companies making profits, we have zero basis upon which we can agree. You have no understanding how the profit motive creates prosperity and advancement for all.

            Have a nice day!

          • MikeCassidyAHS

            Disqus generic email templateI don’t object complains making profits, but, please tell me the source of your information so I may as enlightened as you are.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Mike, we know what the “on budget” national debt is. That’s $16T. What we often do not talk about are the off budget items of Social Security and Medicare. These are considered “separate funds” in an accounting gimmick. For both programs we have future estimates of liabilities that we know must be paid for. I have heard estimates from between $50T to $70T depending on how far out the actuarial calculations are done. But it doesn’t really matter because the numbers are staggering no matter which one you look at.

            Just because they are not “on budget” does not mean that we do not have to pay them. Since the 1960’s, our government has been raiding the SS funds and putting them into the general fund, and replacing them with IOU’s from the US Treasury. There is no money in those funds, just paper promises. Current retirees are being paid out of current worker wages in one giant transfer payment. The problem is that in about the last year and a half, the outgo has exceeded the inflow. The so-called “tax cuts” that Obozo and Congress put into place have cut the amount of inflow to the SS fund, further hastening it’s demise. Medicare is similarly situated and is expected to be completely insolvent by 2021-22. SS will be insolvent by 2033. This is a tremendous threat to America that you guys on the left have got to start getting a grip on. It’s not an R or a D thing, my friend. It’s a math thing.

            The data are easily found. Google “National Debt Clock” and “National Debt Unfunded Liabilities”. You should be justifiably shocked at what you learn.

            Dont get me totally wrong, Mike. I dont just blame Dems. I blame Repubs just as much. BOTH parties, with minor exceptions, have joined hand in hand for the past 100 years to create this monster, selling our future earnings to the devil for their current political gain. Kicking the can down the road for some other sucker while they have enriched themselves personally at the expense of the American people who were sold on the concept of getting something for nothing. WE, the people are to blame for this because we have allowed them to do this to us. The political class has enjoyed wonderful benefits while pitting one group of Americans against the other, creating phony distractions over petty issues where you and I will argue at one another’s throats all the while, they keep screwing us and we dont even know it.

            The time has come for all of us to wake up. We have to have an adult conversation about the problems that confront our nation in the future, and then we must have the courage to do what is needed in order to solve these problems for the benefit of our future generations. This impending financial crisis is our World War II. Will we suck it up and do the right thing to become the 2nd version of The Greatest Generation? Or will we cower like a bunch of pussy Europeans kicking and screaming because they are not getting their 16 weeks paid vacation or lavish pension for life when retiring at 55 after working at nothing for only 6 hours a day? Which one will be become?I am not personally optimistic because nearly 50% of us are now NET TAKERS from the government.

            I’m tired of the R vs. D thing. Sick of it, frankly. I’m sick and tired of this 1% vs. 99% garbage. We are all a part of the 100%………. 100% AMERICAN, that is. I realize that some of the people reading this will never escape the old tired cliches and party fight nonsense. For them, I am sorry. But the rest of us must wake up.

            I hope this helps you to understand, Mike.

            Have a pleasant Sunday!

      • What do I call the government you described above? The Bush Administration.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Baron von Dope… you cannot criticize Bush’s bad spending record and give Obozo a pass for being twice as bad. You cannot do it, objectively. As a hardcore leftist nutjob and useful idiot, you can do it, but not if you’re objective and honest.

          Have a nice day!

      • Diogenes

        Where were you when Dubya launched all his wars off-budget, landing their cost on our children and grandchildren?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Dio… saying the same exact thing. Nobody wanted to listen. Probably because our National Debt was only at about 60% of our GDP, but now it’s at 101% of GDP and growing quicker than our economy. Now, you and me and everyone else here that loves America has got to stop bickering over meaningless issues and stop playing the same old B.S. party game. We are arguing about the deck chairs on the Titanic, my friend. I just wrote a long response to MikeCassidyAHS on this topic. Feel free to read it.

          Have a pleasant Sunday!

          • Diogenes

            I agree with you except for a couple of points. As much as I see Obama as Dubya 2, I don’t blame him for the debt because most of that was momentum from the Dubya terms. Granted Obama didn’t fight to end the Bush tax cuts, especially for those raking in over a quarter million a year, and for that, I blame him fully.

            The other point on which I disagree is on love for America. I don’t love America any more than I love any other group of people on the planet. The Russians never wanted to battle with us, only their leaders. The average American, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, or Afghani, has no interest in attacking/acquiring anyone else’s country. We all just want to feed, clothe, and house our families, and keep them from illness. When you come right down to it the problem has always been with the leaders. They’re the ones who want to expand their influence and empires. Let’s face it, the kind of person that wants to be in charge, is usually the kind of person who should never be given the helm. Whether it’s country against country, or party against party, it’s all as nonsensical as rooting for one group of Little League players over another. This us/them crap is just childish on all levels.

    • hubydoll166

      I cant believe I agree with you on something for once…I agree that the GOP are not stupid..it takes a really ignorantly stupid american to let the politicians, supreme courts and corporate america take their country over and take their voices out of government..I would never call the GOP stupid because they are smart to pull off what they have..its the conservative who bought into a longlasting life Of poverty that I call stupid but they been living on the land anyway so they dont have much to lose. I always looked at it in the way that they dont want to be at the bottom alone and will take down everyone else they can in the process..sorta like what the GOP done by not at least doing infrastructure that is crumbling so obama wouldnt get credit for any success but they would have got credit regardless. Im vert disappointed with this generation because they so easily got suckered and will end up with many more years of misery before we can undo the damage that our government caused us..this does include a lot of democrats in the equation..no party gets away scott free..they all took part in the biggest debacle IN HUMAN history that brought down this once great nation and it kills me that people cant put aside differences to vote them all out, including the supreme screwed up court who sold out our voices..im sick from this..at the end of the day everybody is getting screwed in every hole possible by both political parties over the last 50 years..our elderly must go to bed in tears because this generation managed to tear down everything they fought and died to get us and we piss it pout the window with pure ignorance!!!!!!VERY VERY DISGUSTED AND FRUSTRATED PERSON I AM…

      • ObozoMustGo

        Hello huby! I think this may be the 2nd time that we have agreed. Mark that down, please. 🙂

        You are correct. The truth is that the Democrats and Republicans in Congress are more closely related to each other than they are related to us people out in America. They, together, for most of the past 100 years (with minor exception) have been spending our futures for their current political gains. The US Government has become the largest single financial disaster that the world has ever seen because of their greed. It’s time we stop them.

        I have said this before, but whether or not you like the Tea Party or not, (and most of you do not, I’m sure) they are busy throwing out establishment Republicans. They are doing exactly what you say we should do. The Democrats out there should either join with the Tea Party and begin having grass roots influence over their side to throw out the establishment Dems, or form their own equivalent of the Tea Party and do the same.

        And for the love of God, we citizens out here must stop infering evil intent on the other side. That’s the first step in ALL of us citizens understanding one another and coming together from BOTH sides to take over this monster that has become the Federal Government. It’s swallowing all of us while we sit here and bicker over meaningless bullsheet.

        All of us are concerned with poor people and the downtrodden equally. All of us are concerned with education and healthcare and all the same issues equally. We just have differen ideas about how to deal with those problems. Different ideas do NOT make us evil. The left has been very good in their propaganda over the years in labeling us on the right as “evil” but it simply is not true. Those of us on the right think you guys on the left are stupid, but that simply is not true either.

        We need to keep our eyes on what’s important, and begin electing fiscally responsible representatives that will tell us the truth about the debts and spending, and then have the courage to do what is needed to right the ship, even if it means they jeopardize their own political future.

        Have a nice weekend!

    • hubydoll166

      Sorry DoNotTell2000, that post below was for obozo below..not meant for you.

  • howa4x

    North Carolina may challenge Arizona as being the stupidest state according to Bill Maher, a tittle that other such notable states have won like Kansas banning Sharia law. Kansas also has to it’s credit in the contest a Creationist museum that shows dinosaurs living with people and states that the world is only 5000 years old., talk about a rejection of science! Virginia may also enter this year with it’s vaginal probe law, and we can’t leave out such contenders as Missippi and Alabama always in the running based on educational status of the general population. Any state that amends their educational cirriculum to allow the teaching of creationism along side of evolution can be vaulted to the top of the field. (I wonder if pictures from the Hubble telescope are ever shown in some states schools. They actually showed light eminating from a star that was 13.2 billion light years away)

    The House Republicans may get an honorable mention since they just rejected a recommendation from 5 agencies trying to combat the obesity epidemic to stop allowing companies with all those sugary treats to advertise directly to children. Talk about family values and the protection of children from homosexuals. Tennesse gets in here based on the fact that they are one of the fattest states in the country, so they must be doing something to get that honor

    NC may get a a small break since their law is based on corruption with the elevation of the real estate interests over the public interest, but only a small one

    All these states are of course run by Republicans. Makes you wonder what will happen if they control the country

    • I don’t know about Tennessee being one of the fattest states in the US but unfortunately we are in the group because of a law passed by the Republican majority in the state senate and house of representatives that says the science teacher has to show the creatism side of creation as well as the science side and let students offer statements as to why they don’t believe the science side. This is one of the reason that Tennessee is so low on the education pole because of laws like this and the fact the first thing the Republicans did when they took control of all three branches of government was to cut money for education and health and give the commissioners of each state department that they brought in to replace the ones that worked for the former governor a 30% pay raise over what the old commissners made, .

      • howa4x

        HBO is doing a special on obesity and the mayor of Nashville said the state has one of the fattest populations.
        Republicans are anti education and the real shame for the kids is that they will be competing with other kids from all over the world in the knowledge based emerging economy. Students from other countries are excelling in math and science, and will be taking the future jobs that students from Tennessee will be left out of. The world is flat in terms of technology.Projects can be done by people sitting at computers and colaborating with others in different countries, and this is the future.
        No one is teaching creationism as part of the school cirriculum, except those states run by Republicans and evangelicals. Students from the northeast and west coast are passing those in the middle and south, and will be create the foundation of the new economy. The south and mid west places like Kansas need to compete and can’t because of this backward veiw of the world.
        While they talk about family values, they are abusing their children by denying them the tools they need for the future to compete for jobs, and these kids will end up on the low end of the pay scale or being fodder for the future wars.

  • SaneJane

    Take the money and run — to higher ground. No thought for the future. I must get out of the south before I get infected with brain rot.

  • What a terrible waste of tax payer money. Hope the locals are smart enough to vote those people out of office.

  • Rob Young should be careful. If he doesn’t stop stating scientific fact he may be thrown into a dungeon until he recants.

    • He won’t have to recant, We won’t have to worry about him getting re-elected. The Dragons’ll have him for dinner.

  • Good God! And it is this party that half of the American people say it wants to be this nation leader for the next 4 years. Can anyone imagine what the USA will be in 5 years? A hint: read History books.

  • Those people are idiots. Somebody should take every single one of them, including NC-20, and lock them up in a room until they can prove they’ve actually read the United States Constitution.

    • If they read it, they would probably say the same thing Bush2 and Cheney did when they were breaking all kinds of law, it is just a piece of paper throw it out the window.

    • shadeaux14

      Somebody will have to teach them to read first.

  • If anyone STILL believes that Republicans want a smaller, less invasive Government, they need to take their head out of the hole in the ground it’s hiding in and look around. Not a chance.

    Harry Truman once said: “I could have been a pianist in a whore house or a politician, there’s not much difference”. He was right.

    • shadeaux14

      If their heads are in a hole which is less than one meter above sea level, I say LEAVE EM THERE.

  • For some time I have thought there was a need for some type of military intervention in Syria to stop the slaughter. Now I think there is a need for military intervention in North Carolina to stop the stupidity!!

  • Anything to deny the facts and pull the wool over the eyes of unsuspecting home buyers while the multi-millionaire home developers laugh all the way to the bank. That’s what the Republicans are all about.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Here’s a new word for all you leftist nutjobs out there that describes Obozo’s tenure and his “fundamental transformation of America” quite well…

    Ineptocracy – (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) — A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

    There’s a lot in that definition, my leftist nutjob friends. Keep reading it. You may actually understand it at some point.

    Have a nice day!

    • Justin Napolitano

      Obozo it back. He doesn’t understand what a complete ignoramus he is and insists on boring us with his total BS. By the way much of the debt: 16 trillion and counting, is in fact valued in the infrastructure that we have built. What is the United States of America worth? What is the value of all of the roads, bridges, schools, railways, airports, public buildings, military and treasury of the country? What is the value of of all of our citizen and their intellectual collective gained through our school systems? These are the things that the 16 trillion dollars represent. It is not a debt but should be considered a measure of the money we have spent for our collective benefit.
      I could make an argument that some of this money was wasted but in the capitalistic system every dollar spent gets multiplied by moving through each person or business handling it. It is quite simple, if I spend a dollar for some product or service, and the person receiving it spends it and the person after that spends it it is multiplied throughout the system.
      Some say the multiplying effect is 5 times so 16 trillion in debt represents 80 trillion in economic activity. that happens to be about 5 years of our gross domestic product.

      I know it is impossible to convince obozo of basic math but I will try. If Bush doubled the deficit, which most economists believe happened, taking the debt to 11 billion dollars then Obama has raised it by less than 33 percent.
      Sorry obozo but you are not objective in your writing and only wish to spout your hateful views.

  • How funny this must seem to educated people outside this country. Republicans are making a laughingstock of America. Ironically they just don’t care.

  • I can’t wait to hear Steven Colbert’s “support” for this legislation.

  • Gee I didn’t know we can change either scientific fact or (well researched theorties) out of existence with the flick of a pen! Well, profits will overcome common sense and common decency. I hope these “develpper” that want to build along the Carolina coast will put pontoons on their structures.

  • daffodilly

    Developers may not want to believe the data but what if insurance companies do? Are they going to go ahead without coverage? Where I live actual results are worse than predictions and people effected by Katrina have probably found that to be true also.

  • hubydoll166

    Thats right..then we cant blame global warming..hey, lets just destroy the planet..they and their wealthy sugar daddy’s will build that colony on the moon afterall. Im sure the GOP is also workin on a plan for the insurance industry to get out of paying flood claims also..they are pro business and anything that can squeeze every penny out of the people works for them. The oil companies want to thaw antatrica to drill for oil and that is pure fact..while big business destroys our earth they will have already cherry picked the only habitable place to live and everybody else can swim in the sewer i guess..Go ahead and vote the GOP/CORPORATE AMERICA into power and see what we get for it..this country is going to have to hit rock bottom before people wake up. The supreme court sold us out and the GOP are just putting the final nails in the coffin along with some dirty democrats rats..im totally sick from this weak, stupid, ignorant generation of ALL TIME sinking their own childrens futures and leaving them at the mercy of BIG BIZ..Smile america and take a STUPID picture. You aint seen nothin yet…Those GOP have many more prisons on the drawing board for when poverty really sets in and crime rises to all time high levels due to poverty they are creating..giving up your democracy, voice, and dignity are the lowest of things a person could do because of ignorance..our ancestors are rolling over in their graves because we are throwing away everything they fought to give us and we just keep the stupid and ignorance going till we lose it all..WE NEED A WHOLE NEW GOVERNMENT!!! AND WE NEED POLITICIANS WHO DONT SELL US OUT! Big BIZ is now in charge of this country..bow down and kiss the masters ring…thats where its heading with our clown show people we call citicenz. In case nobody can figure it out, im really fuming over how easily people can be manipulated to give up something as GREAT as we had!!! We just handed our democracy, livelyhoods and hopes over to a bunch of greedy bastards who want to rule the world and the people in it because they already have all the money!!!FOOLS, FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS..KEEP bickering on who spent more and who sunlk the country while the big bad wolf gobbles you all up.

  • Once again, North Carolina proves why we need National Education Standards, and not those based on the first five chapters of Genesis. These guys are just like the proverbial ostrich who buries its head in the sand. Well, they are more than welcome to, especially if they do so along the coast or on the barrier islands. Coastal North Carolina is an example of why the government should abandon those who build anything along the regular path of hurricanes. Every time I had to go to Wilmington on business trips, I was either arriving in the cleanup of the aftermath of one or was driven out of town by one. And every time, the governors beg the federal government for disaster relief money and demand the Army Corps of Engineers build higher sea walls.

  • aboutime

    It is no small wonder why the USA ranks so low in science education with our political and religious leaders living in denial of empirical facts.

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