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December 17, 2012 6:22 pm Category: Cartoon 20 Comments A+ / A-
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  • SibyllasStuff

    What about all the realistic violent video games available and part and parcel of many young adult’s entertainment. What about what is on TV – reality TV with all the arguing and posturing – kids fighting each other and the bullying? AND most importantly, what about the head-meds that are prescribed and taken by so many Americans ? How about taking a look at that? Not to mention that we have been at WAR with someone somewhere in the world since 1941? at least “Keeping the peace”? What about heavy handed tactics used by U.S. gov’t officials to make sure our “allies” follow the corporatocracy that seems to be taking over the whole world.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wanda-Leverette/1101695192 Wanda Leverette

      The mental health issue in our society isn’t just about “crazy”‘, it’s about what we fill young minds with, what they believe is acceptable behavior that leads 15, 17, 20 year olds’ to get guns and shoot up places as an effort to resolve some issues? We need to stop exposing our children to so much violence. Parents allow their children to play violent video games,watch violent and inappropriate movies and then wonder why young adults under 25 choose violence as a means to solve their issues. What we “feed” or children’s minds and psyche is having an affect on their reasoning skills. When you shoot up folks on video games and the reward is achieving the next level as the reward, how does that translate to the way they deal with life? The movie industry makes a lot of money on violent action-flicks. Parents watch inappropriate movies at home with small children around, the consumers Chooses to take their children to see this crap when they should get a baby-sitter and go without the kids. Naysayers will claim this isn’t the reason for the shootings that occurs more and more often, but when children are allowed to play games that focus on violence, children become more de-sensitized to it, their psyche doesn’t even register that violence is “wrong”.
      We should stop exposing our children to so much violence.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Good points Wanda. Here are 2 of my favorite quotes on this subject.

        Have a Merry Christmas!

        “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

        “Men cannot abandon their religious faith without a kind of aberration of intellect and a sort of violent distortion of their true nature; they are invincibly brought back to more pious sentiments. Unbelief is an accident, and faith is the only permanent state of mankind.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXYKRSZRYFCKXBX7ETFTQWVL5M Bill

          Bozo I missed you earlier in the day. I know you like to quote Aleis de Tocqueville but do you know he was a “liberal”? Did someone give you his book or a book of his quotes? You do realize that of all of these mass murders none was an athetist.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Bill…. de Tocqueville was a “liberal” in his day, and I am a similar “liberal” to not only him but our founders. In fact, I refer to myself more frequently as a “libertarian” (lower case ‘L’ intended). The definition of “liberal” has been turned upside down, however. “Liberal” used to mean one who supported maximum freedom and liberty with minimal government involvement in one’s live. Today, “liberal” means “progressive” which means maximum government involvement and control over every aspect of life from womb to the tomb. Today, there is not one aspect of an American’s life where the government does not influence or outright control and direct. Think about it. From the moment you get up in the morning, everything you do involves something the government influences. In addition, if you work and pay taxes as I do, adding up my local, county, state, and federal taxes, government has a claim on nearly 45% of my time. That’s damned near slavery when someone else, under threat of a gun and imprisonment, takes the fruits of my labor for their purposes and not mine. This is not to suggest that we not pay taxes, but rather makes a point that there is such a thing as too much, as immoral. And this takes us back to the crux of the debate as it should be: What is the proper role of the federal government?

            You should try reading Alexis de Tocqueville, John Locke, Charles de Montesquieu, Adam Smith, The Federalist Papers, Paine’s ‘Common Sense’. That would be a good start. Don’t stop there though. Read the other side. Read Plato’s ‘Republic’, Thomas More’s ‘Utopia’, Thomas Hobbes’s ‘Leviathan’, Karl Marx’s ‘Communist Manifesto’. Perhaps Saul Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals’ so you can know the leftist freak’s playbook. I have tended to focus on reading the other side in recent times. It’s why I come to this site. To be challenged.

            Regarding your assessment that none are atheists…. bullsheet! You don’t know that anymore than anyone else. And it’s irrelevant. All are batsheet crazy to begin with.

            Merry Christmas!

            “The man of system . . . is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. . . .” —Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, 1759

  • ObozoMustGo

    And now…. the REAL Cartoon of the Day!

    [click image to enlarge]

    Merry Christmas!

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

    • bandrulz

      YOU are the cartoon of the day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Myers/100001512942781 Jim Myers

      Replying to ObozoMustGo –

      I can’t help but wonder – would you feel the same way if one of your children were among the victims of this killing spree?

      If so, May God Have Mercy On Your Soul.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Jimbo…. no question I feel the same way. Unlike the leftist freaks who seek to take away my 2nd Amendment rights, I’d rather that my kid have a handgun in his desk to attempt to defend himself rather than be executed while defenseless. Better yet, the teachers should be armed and trained. Arm all the teachers and watch school shootings evaporate like a glass of water in Death Valley. The solution is more freedom and more guns, not less.It’s not the gun, it’s the hands that hold it.

        Every wonder why there are no school shootings in Israel? To see why, click the image to enlarge.

        Merry Christmas, Jimbo!

        “There is evil in the world. It’s beyond mental illness, beyond gun control. It is evil.” — John R. Coyne, Jr.

        • jarheadgene

          Don’t forget Israel also has mandatory military service. That teacher, if she is a teacher, and not security, probably is ex-military. That is a far cry from most of our teachers. I did have 2 teachers, when I was in school, that served in WWII, one of them directly under Patton. Also Israel has lots of reasons to be that heavily guarded…look at a map, they are surrounded by centuries old sworn enemies. We have friendly neighbors and Oceans to seperate us from enemy countries. I personally do not want to see our teachers walking around with guns, but if they HAD to I would rather they carry assault weapons not some old bolt action like the teacher, in the picture has.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi Gene. Merry Christmas! I hope you are well.

            While I agree with you that Israel is in a dangerous place being surrounded by violent muzzies, I’d say that your comparison of the US to Israel as a means to suggest that our teachers do not need to be armed flies in the face of recent events. Afterall, we would not be even talking about this if our schools were so safe from nutcases. Right?

            Question: You have a choice. Your little child can be executed while defenseless, or he/she can have a fighting chance with a teacher that is armed and trained. Which one do you choose? Or you can be in a theater defenseless to be executed or you can increase your chances of survival by being armed. Which one do you choose?

            [click image to enlarge]

            Merry Christmas, Gene!

            “Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” — T. S. Eliot

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/C22AJV5GXSF4QE3YJY5IGBTULU TSB

    How many kids will get toy guns for Christmas. They need to be prepared for the next wars if they’re not Romney do gooders, exempt from such devious action.

  • tobewan

    The sign to the right on my screen says: “Killing Wildlife Isn’t the Solution to Resolving Conflicts” – neither is killing our children. Neither is killing our Elderly by robbing them of Medicare benefits and their lifetime earned Soc. Security benefits.
    The cartoon above shows what has effected the Tea Party and Republican’s attitude and regard for the 98% of America who seem so ‘below their worry and care’.
    How do you spell grinch? in politics it’s: R.e.p.u.b.l.i.c.a.n.; and they represent all the Ebenezer Scrooges in those upper brackets. Republicanism isn’t the answer – its the problem! All their antics for past 4 years have shown that, every time!
    Another comparison: Obama is like Moses confronting Pharaoh Boehner – Let my people go! Let them have a descent life! And that can apply in the work place as well as for the retired.
    That poses a good question: Why do all the 98% of America LET the 2% dictate their welfare?

  • howa4x

    I don’t think that guns in toy stores doesn’t have anything to do with todays issues. I grew up in a semi rural enviornment and practiced target shooting with real guns at 10 yrs old. By 12 all my friends had guns and we would pick up old cans and bottles and shoot them. We never shot each other. We have a breakdown in our values where killing doesn’t have the taboo it once had. Now we are just greedy and stealing can be ok. If you are doing it from a boardroom you are looked upon by society with esteem, no mattter if it’s millions and even if you take it from pension funds of workers. If you take it by violence you get societies wrath and end up with a long prison sentence. If you are a professional killer you are not looked at that way. Why is the Mafia treated with respect? Why did a show like the Sopranos win awards? It’s about killers.
    We have more mental illness than we’ve ever had. Why? How come we can’t seperate the violent ones for the not? Why is it ok to keep it confidential if you are treating a person that could be a danger to society. All these mass killers were in conseling. Why couldn’t that professional alert a national data base that this person should not have access to a gun. The VT killer bought his legally during the time he was being seen. We can track what everyone purchases are, but not this. We have to reorganize our entire mental health system because it’s in a state of failure. We just can’t keep a file in a drawer of a person who is dangerous and think it’s ok because I gave him meds. Right now we have a very bad combination of factors. We have to as a society do something about this.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hello Howie! How are you, my friend? I hope you are well. I’ve just read your post and find that we are in agreement. I would add to your post with a comment about the correllation between a decline in morality and faith and the increase in violent crime and other social ills. The 2 go hand in hand in opposite directions. This is not to say that the world has ever been perfect. Nor is it to say that we can somehow eliminate crazy people from the earth, or the horrors they perpetrate. That will NEVER happen. But it is the truth to say that a decline in morals and faith results in more tragedy like occurred in that school in CT. Your statement about how you grew up shooting guns as a kid, but did not shoot anyone because you valued life makes the point. Today, human life is becoming less and less valued, especially in the womb. No, this is not an abortion discussion, but I say so to simply make the broader point about the devaluation of human life in society.

      Merry Christmas!

      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

      • howa4x

        Thanks
        Merry Christmas to you and your family

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXYKRSZRYFCKXBX7ETFTQWVL5M Bill

    Bozo you are totally wrong on this issue. Nobody is trying to take away all of the guns just those that can fire 30 rounds or more in a minute. As for your kid having a gun in his class, would you allow all kids in the class or school have guns. What happens when two of them have a disagreement and one shoots the other.
    So lets arm all teachers, why not movie theater workers (Auroa Co), mall workers (Oregon), temple workers (Michigan) or anywhere eles that some crazed people shot or killed many people.
    For teachers where would they carry their guns – holter, shoulder holster, in thier waist band or ???? Do you really believe this would solve the issue of mass murder in the US. You use Israel as an example of no shooting in schools, I think there was one in the 1990’s. How about Australia where there has been gun control for the last 30 years and no school shootings.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Bill, first off, Australia has not had a gun ban for 30 years. It went into effect in 1997. Here’s a clip from NCPA website:
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      It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

      Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

      •In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
      •Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
      •Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
      Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

      •Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
      •During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
      •Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
      •Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
      •At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
      •Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
      While this doesn’t prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

      Source: Howard Nemerov, “Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban,” D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.
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      Now, back to your questions. The fact is that more guns in the hands of more law abiding citizens is the best defense against criminals with guns who do not obey the laws in the first place. Mass murder occurs when one crazy bastard is armed and everyone else is defenseless.

      Re: teachers being armed. I don’t really care whether teachers carry or keep a gun in their desk drawer or not or whatever. If they have one, they should be trained and practiced. The fact is that if teachers were allowed to be armed and trained, the very fact that a killer is likely to face armed opposition is a very strong deterrent. I would prefer that the teachers in my kids classes be armed. As to little kids being armed, I was merely making the point about being defenseless is the worst case scenario. That’s all.

      Merry Christmas, Bill!

      “The only defense against the world is a thorough knowledge of it.” ― John Locke

  • commserver

    I had toy guns as child. I played with toy soldiers as a child. I played war games as a child.

    I didn’t go around shooting others as adult.

    The point is that it is easy to blame things on childhood.

    What can be said is that it shouldn’t be so easy to have those who might be mass killers have access to weapons and ammunition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

    Let’s ban dolls they aresexist and cause perverted thoughts to develop in the minds of the young.
    The toy cars will cause reckless driving. Base ball bats represent a club that can involk bludgeoning. Any science kit will lead to a meth lab in later years. There are so many things to ban that will make our children monsters if we let them play with these toys. It all starts on the shelves at the toy store. Liberals are the lowest IQ idiots of the idiots.

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