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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

A Gallup poll taken in 1968, the year after the Loving v. Virginia ruling that legalized interracial marriage in all 50 states, found that only 20 percent of those polled agreed with the decision. Gallup’s most recent poll on same-sex marriage, taken before Obergefell v. Hodges legalized equal marriage nationally, found that 60 percent of Americans believe straight and LGBT couples deserve the same rights.

But if you poll the more than a dozen Republican candidates for president, they’re even less ready for marriage equality than America was for interracial marriage. A total of 0 percent of GOP presidential contenders joined the rainbow-swathed celebration that has inspired much of America since Friday.

Yet the Supreme Court’s landmark decision was great news for Republicans, several of them told The New York Times.

“The stage is now cleared for the next generation of issues,” said ex-George W. Bush speechwriter and coiner of “Axis of Evil” David Frum. “And Republicans can say, ‘Whether you’re gay, black or a recent migrant to our country, we are going to welcome you as a fully cherished member of our coalition.”

Apparently, Frum didn’t notice the sudden rise of Donald Trump — who calls himself a supporter of traditional marriages, though it would be more appropriate to call him a collector of them. The billionaire’s “immigrants are rapists” platform has helped him catch fire in the GOP primary.

Wishful thinking like Frum’s is key to the “miracle” performance Republicans will need with minorities. His happy fantasy would also stop the party’s hemorrhaging of young voters, who see same-sex marriage being pretty much as controversial as whether you should be allowed to unlock your own smartphone.

But even the two candidates who issued the mildest rebukes to the Supreme Court — Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio — hinted that the party’s unwillingness to move past lost culture-war battles will continue into 2016. Here are 5 reasons same-sex marriage as an issue won’t go away soon.

1. GOP primary voters still oppose it.
Change doesn’t usually come this fast, as FiveThirtyEight‘s Nate Silver explained. And so far it hasn’t come to the GOP.

About 6 out of 10 Republican voters oppose same-sex marriage, which makes it the mirror opposite of the rest of the country. Support for expanding the institution has doubled among evangelicals since 2001, but with 62 percent of Protestant evangelicals opposing it, the GOP base is in the era of Loving not Obergefell at the dawn of the most competitive GOP primary in generations.

It’s going to be tough to ignore a small but loud minority of the party that thinks 6/26 was their 9/11.

2. GOP candidates only differ on their degree of outrage.
“I’m glad I’m not on a campaign and don’t have to advise my candidate on how to navigate those three issues this week, because the answers for the primary and the general [elections] are radically different,” Republican strategist Carl Forti told the Times.

It’s pretty obvious who is playing to the primary on this issue.

Ted Cruz wants clerks to refuse to issue marriage certificates. Bobby Jindal wants to get rid of the Supreme Court. Scott Walker wants a constitutional amendment that will allow states to ban same-sex marriage again. Mike Huckabee appears to be calling for armed revolution. “I will not acquiesce to an imperial court any more than our Founders acquiesced to an imperial British monarch,” he wrote on his website. “We must resist and reject judicial tyranny, not retreat.”

But Republican candidates’ problem is that they generally agree on most every issue. They just disagree on the amount of outrage to sputter.

Jeb Bush’s opposition to the ruling concluded, “In a country as diverse as ours, good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side.” Even that doesn’t mean he can let the issue go, however. He’s just trying to move the argument toward “religious liberty,” which is the right’s ugly new excuse for legal discrimination.

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  • charleo1

    So many Republican candidates for President. So little daylight between any of them. The question becomes more of one akin to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Instead of which candidate most accurately reflects my views as a Conservative. That’s if I were a Conservative. A matter of degrees. How much should we cut corporate taxes, half, or completely? Do we change the Constitution to permit discrimination against Gays? Or have an armed insurrection against a King George like SCOTUS? The majority of whom were appointed by Republican Presidents? How important is this? Critical, dire, grave, our very lives depend on it? You, “Conservatives,” decide.

    • stcroixcarp

      The GOPers need to start telling the American people what their real agenda is. Gay marriage, abortion, immigration are all just smoke and mirrors. What they really want to do is to privatize and destroy social security and medicare because there is an huge pot of money corporations are drooling over. They want war so that they can continue to subsidize the war armaments industry and they want the dumb clucks who hate gay marriage, abortion and immigrants to go fight their wars. They want to keep racism safe so they can bring out the rednecks any time they want. And none of them give a flying fig about religious liberty, they just want the fear factor to control people.

      • Dominick Vila

        I couldn’t agree with you more. Issues such as gay marriage and abortion are distractions used by the GOP, very effectively, to engage Democrats in the pursuit of things that, while critically important to us as a society, are just a smoke screen used to succeed in the pursuit of great financial inequality, the privatization or dismantling of social programs, the expansion of gun ownership and prison population, and warfare as the preferred “solution” to international problems.

      • charleo1

        Good point. And I suppose they would be more up front, and honest about their agenda, if it didn’t so thoroughly stink for the majority of us. Selling corporate snake oil as a replacement for the promise of America, and a panacea for a struggling Middle Class, takes a lot of smoke, and a lot mirrors!

  • Dominick Vila

    I would not be surprised if most Republican politicians don’t have a problem with marriage equality and equal rights for ALL Americans on every issue. The problem for them is that their electability depends on satisfying the wishes of their constituents. They depend on the votes of the elderly, white supremacists, the anti-tax folks, austerity advocates, social program opponents, and the wishes of corporate America and Wall Street to be elected and stay in office. With that in mind, their decisions are predictable.

    • It’s sad, but you’re are so right. Their focus becomes more narrowly-confined with each passing year. A strange and morbidly fascinating “pheromone” is emitted by The Extreme Right that attracts the more egregious and gullible elements of our society, and attracts with equal success those who’re consumed by the lust to accumulate and acquire wealth and property.

      • Independent1

        “and attracts with equal success those who’re consumed by the lust to accumulate and acquire wealth and property.”

        Attributes, which make it even more clear that despite their claims to the contrary, these supporters are clearly anti-Christians than the True Christians they claim to be. Because God has made on thing very very clear: Christians cannot love God and Mammon (that is, the accumulating of wealth and property and any other worldly material thing – like Money!!),

  • greenlantern1

    Margaret Hoover is a relative of Herbert Hoover.
    Margaret Hoover sat on the board for the Hoover Foundation!
    Herbert Hoover oversaw the Food For Belgium program!
    Margaret Hoover sat on a Belgian education panel.
    Margaret Hoover wrote articles for FOX.
    Margaret Hoover was on the board of FOX.
    FOX hired Geraldo Rivera.
    Conflict of interest?
    Margaret Hoover is FOR gay marriage!
    Expect ANY REPUBLICAN to denounce the Hoover Foundation?

  • Grannysmovin

    When will they stop hiding behind religious beliefs and just admit they are homophobic. How does gay marriage impact those opposed? Does it lessen the depth of your faith? Does it make you a sinner because people you may or may not know a same gender couple who got married? If you are in a business that provides services i.e. baker, florists, photographer, if you provide those services at a same gender marriage do you commit a sin, are you condemned to hell, do you loose your deep faith? How does this impact your religious beliefs? Divorce, infidelity, sex out of wedlock, and a child out of wedlock – do you deny them services too? Do you refuse to bake a birthday cake for the mother who had a child and was not married, or do you refuse to bake a cake for that child’s birthday?

    • Independent1

      Good questions. I wonder if all those Republican hypocrites who were thinking of supporting Newt Gingrich, or maybe even Trump today, realize that voting for, and supporting those outright sinners (multiple divorced and remarried men) should be every bit as sinful as providing a wedding cake for a gay marriage or even performing one. Jesus made it very clear that adultery is an outright sin – while he never said the same for gay relationships.

      • Grannysmovin

        Gay marriage not a commandment – Adultery is one of the commandments – so which is a sin.

        • Independent1

          No one knows how God feels about gay relationships today. Jesus preached for more than 3 years and never once mentioned them. Paul seemed to condemn gay relationships in some of his letters but it’s not clear just what his criticisms were. But irrespective of that, those words were written 2,000 years ago; and 2,000 years before Christ came, God was not condemning adulterous relationships. God did not condemn Abraham for fathering a child with his wife’s handmaiden. Nor did he appear to be disapproving of other of the patriarchs who had children with other women while they were married.

          But when Jesus came, he made it very clear that his father (God) was from that point on wanting Men to have only one wife in their lifetime; they were not to divorce and have multiple wives. There are numerous examples such as this of God having changed his expectations of how Man should live between the Old and the New Testaments. Which is why, through the author of Hebrews, God made it clear in Chapter 8, that the New Testament made the Old Testament Obsolete!! And Man should have already forgotten it ,as God has (when Jesus died on the cross, God forgot the sins Man had committed to that point along with all the edicts and requirements that Man was supposed to live by that are recorded in the Old Testament).

          • Grannysmovin

            My view of the bible is it was written by 40 individuals consisting of 66 books. In addition the two major languages were Hebrew and Greek and a few portions were written in Aramaic. The very human authors came from various walks of life. Moses was probably the most educated, while the others were shepherds (one who became the King of Israel (David), farmers, fisherman and warriors. How educated were these authors? How was their comprehension of what was said and/or done. These earliest accounts were handed on from generation to generation in songs, narratives, and poetry. In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts and was it comparable to playing telephone where the original message differs from the final message, or the fisherman’s story that the size of the fish grows with each telling of the story.

          • Independent1

            Yes, but the fact that 4 of the books were written at times years apart, and by some authors who had little opportunity to collude with each other; and yet their accounts are surprisingly similar at a time when there were no recording machines or easy ways of keeping a record; and that events that were foretold sometimes many hundreds of years earlier actually came to pass – has to make one really wonder about the divine guidance that oversaw all of it.

            But then, one either chooses to believe – or one does not. And like global warming, what are the long range implications of not believing. What are the risks of unbelief – one has to consider even that.

            But with gay relationships, it’s my sense that God will judge those relationships, and the people in them, just like he judges heterosexual ones. Are they the result of lasting true love – or infatuations and lust. Are they long lasting or a temporary fling. Those in gay relationships will have to follow the same rules and same-sex couples – divorce is not an option. Once in a gay relationship it has to be for life.

          • Grannysmovin

            I respect your opinion however for me I tend to think of the bible as founded upon fables and mythologies and shows God as a cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust – very different from the teachings I received of a loving, forgiving, tolerant being. Have a nice day.

        • Independent1

          Although we don’t know how God feels about gay relationships, we do know this: aside from loving God with all our hearts, minds and soul; all the other commandments can be summed up as: Love thy neighbor as thyself; and think more highly of others than you do of yourself. And above all: do not judge others; God is the judge. And he will judge us based on THE INTENT with which we live our lives – be it selfishly (looking to fill our own lives with as many worldly things as possible) or with the intent of helping others live their lives in a way that God can find worthy.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    Republican men live in such an out of touch world. They still think women’s places are in the home and making babies. Why would they think equality for anyone but themselves is acceptable?

    They hate gays, women’s rights, education, healthcare and any business regulations. So look at what they are really saying…They want total control of the entire country while they do as they please. What kind of mature mind thinks like that?

    • Independent1

      Being mature was never a Republican trait. Not how the GOP led Congress has acted like 6-yr olds for the past 6 plus years!!!

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        I have to be honest. I attended about a half dozen GOP committee meetings. When I saw and heard how identical they were to the rah rah sales meetings that were intended to increase sales, I was totally turned off. That and the fact that every GOP meeting was populated by aggressive males 10 to 1.

        It occurs to me as I listen to the middle aged GOP political prostitutes of today that most are easily bought and sold and are only part of their billionaire pimps’ stables. What on earth else could possibly explain more than 13 GOP men and only 2 women running for the presidency if not that they are “call guys” calling in the biggest bucks from the wealthiest men.

        The joke is that no matter how much these billionaires spend on these candidates, if their money is in any way the only reason a GOP president is elected, watch how fast these billionaires end up on the wrong side of election laws. So..all they are really doing is preaching to a bully parish of lunatic extremists. The rest of us will vote as we always do…for the greater good of our country.

  • Kurt CPI

    First of all, only one of the 5 “reasons” in the article is a reason. The rest are insights. But, the primary, indeed pretty much the only reason is – oh no – politics. The core Republican base is largely Christian and Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin. Never mind that financial treachery, shopping on Sunday, and adultery don’t rise to the level of shunning – pretty much this is the only sin that requires that level of response. But Republican politicians think that to get the Christian right out to the polls, their open objection to this decision is required to light the fire under the voters.

    • charleo1

      You’re right, in that Gay marriage has never been so much a religious conviction on the Right. As a political tool to get their base to the polls on election day. So, shame on them!

  • Cher

    Kurt, please don’t throw all Christians together. I am an Episcopalian and we do not oppose homosexuality along with Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc. The religious right is a Christian sect just like the Taliban has a specific interpretation of Islam.

    • johninPCFL

      Yes, in spite of the howling in protest of Sharia, the evangelical base is moving forward energetically in the direction of imposing parts of Sharia on the entire country.

    • dpaano

      Evangelical Christians are an embarrassment to most other REAL Christians!!!

  • Bosda

    Ask not for whom the Banshee howls, Oh Republican Party–it howls for thine fanny!

  • John S.

    The GOP’s religious freedom argument is merely state-sanctioned Jim Crow-ism by another name.

    The religious freedom folk have diligently studied world history and know that religion as a tool of exclusion has been an effective instrument for ensuring political and economic power is not shared with those “other people.” Current day examples of applying this powerful tool include the religious takeover of the U.S. Air Force Academy, Indiana’s religious freedom laws, and exceptions to U.S. employment laws.

    • johninPCFL

      The fact is that they GOP policymakers HAVE studied world history and KNOW that religion IS an effective tool for limiting the power of “those people”, whoever “they” are. It used to be Catholics, then blacks, today it’s gays.

  • ITEM: The “Party of NO” touts the following: ‘Whether you’re gay, black or a recent migrant to our country, we are going to welcome you as a fully cherished member of our coalition.”

    That strikes many of the more discerning Americans(and others elsewhere in the world) as being the most comprehensively disingenuous spin statement of the year(so far).

    If we recall, the “sacred cowboy”, who won an election, made a high-profile campaign stop in Nashoba County Miss.(where the Civil Rights workers Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner were murdered in the 60’s).
    His appeal for support was to those who condoned and/or abetted the murders. This is part of the “jones” that they can’t shake, and a stain and legacy that besmirches the “Party of NO”; the very same dysfunctional group that thrives on hood-winking, bamboozling, obfuscation, and obstructionist bluster(the filibuster is a favorite tactic).

    Oh well, carry on.

  • Mortalc01l

    Republicans to black people; “why don’t you just follow the law and maybe Police officers won’t shoot you – For God’s sake just follow the law!!”.

    Republicans now.. “WAAAAAHH!!!! We don’t agree with this law, therefore we refuse to follow it.”.. The stench of their hypocrisy can be smelled all around the World.

    • johninPCFL

      Maybe we should allow the police to shoot them if they don’t?

    • Independent1

      And what’s even worse than just being “smelled around the world”, is that virtually every foreigner, unlike so many million brain-washed Americans, have shown they recognize clearly how hypocritical, corrupt and actually anti-Christians today’s Americans who support the GOP are.

  • Carolyn1520

    The Moral Majority became the Tea Party. It’s a religious movement under the cover of
    a “patriotic” political group called the Tea Party. Even conservatives who aren’t hard core fundamentalists Christians still share the anti-same sex marriage, anti-abortion stances, anti-birth control positions and believe we are first, a Christian nation.
    They have both bases covered when you don’t agree with them. How many times have they said someone is anti religious or not patriotic over one issue or another. They want to get their people in so they can control the transformation of the culture and existing institutions.
    Their puppet masters who don’t care about religion or patriotism only the bottom line are fine with financing their religious movement. They can’t very well sell them on protecting wealth they don’t have and they know their concerns aren’t with changing business or tax policy, just keeping a Christian nation. The Christian foot soldiers are fine with providing the smoke screen for the most wealthy as both get what they want.

    • anothertoothpick

      And I say…

  • Elliot J. Stamler

    David Frum was and is an enabler of the worst radical right-wing nuts in his party. Now he worries that they will harm the chances of a Republican victory. He helped put them there…and so did his dimwitted former employer, G.W. Bush.