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Thursday, September 29, 2016

In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court has thrown out Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act, the historic law first passed in the days after 1965’s Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama.

The ruling voids the formula to determine which jurisdictions require “pre-clearance” from the federal government before they make any changes to their voting laws, effectively freeing officials to alter voting procedures at will until Congress authorizes a new formula.

The Voting Rights Act has been renewed by Congress several times. The last was in 2006, when a Republican House voted 390-33 and a Republican Senate voted 98-0 to send a renewal that authorized the law for 25 years to President George W. Bush for his signature. Despite Congress deciding that the Section 4 formula was still relevant seven years ago, conservatives on the Court disagreed.

“In assessing the ‘current need’ for a pre-clearance system treating States differently from one another today, history since 1965 cannot be ignored,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in his majority decision for Shelby County v. Holder. After suggesting that the current formula is based on “40-year-old data,” he included a chart that demonstrated the success of the law when it comes to increasing registration among African-Americans.

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However, just last year, courts based several decisions to block laws designed to suppress the minority vote in the 2012 general election on Section 5, which now holds no significance without Section 4. Despite the court’s intervention, voters in Florida had to wait as many as nine hours in line to vote.

Roberts wrote that Congress “may draft another formula based on current conditions,” which is highly unlikely given current partisan gridlock.

The Nation’s Ari Berman explains that the existing formula is extremely effective in determining jurisdictions that should require “pre-clearance”:

Six of the nine states fully covered by Section 5, all in the South, passed new voting restrictions after the 2010 election. “Section 5,” write law professors Christopher Elmendorf and Douglas Spencer, “is remarkably well tailored to the geography of anti-black prejudice.” Of the ten states where anti-black stereotypes are most common, based on data from the National Annenberg Election Survey, six in the South are subject to Section 5. Racially polarized voting and “explicit anti-black attitudes,” according to an AP survey, have increased since 2008. Arkansas and Virginia have passed strict new voter-ID laws this year, while North Carolina is considering a slew of draconian restrictions.

  • sigrid28

    Two words: TERM LIMITS.

  • Lynda Groom

    Roberts believes that this chart proves the validity of their decision. Interesting that registration means so much, as opposed to the reality of intentionally long lines in minority areas, voter ID laws and the situation on the ground in 2012. It would sure be nice of voting rights were really universal along with no more discrimination of various kinds. The conservative bend of the court apparently believes that to be the case, with seemingly little evidence to support that view. Kicking the can back to Congress was very effective way of neutering the VRA without actually making it unconstitutional. Classic use of CYA, putting the problem at the door step of this dysfunctional Congress. The chances that Congress will do anything is a very, very long shot indeed. Do you think the Supreme Court leadership knows something about Congress that the rest of us don’t?

    • bikejedi

      The long lines you speak of are a completely separate issue having nothing to do with this decision but you do what Liberals always do ….You spin and deflect this issue on to another . Not surprising since the facts back this good decision

      • RobertCHastings

        In those areas in which the preponderance of voters is those of color, one, if one wishes to even look, will find long lines and short hours, which are calculated to discourage and deter large voter turnouts. It is really an inescapable fact that in such cases the intent was to prevent people from voting.

        • idamag

          As I pointed out the the tp above, the long lines are the new voter suppression tactic.

        • bikejedi

          Polling place hours are set by the local election boards . They should all open and close at the same time . If there is a problem the people should report that to the election board . In Chicago they always have a problem with polling places opening up late due to the late arrival of equipment or judges . Where that happens those polling places are allowed to stay open later . All of you people that are harping on this …I have two things to say about that 1 it doesn’t have a thing to do with this ruling and 2 most people of color vote Dem and live in Dem areas so if there is a problem it is being caused by Dems not Conservatives . You should try to stop using rhetoric that is designed to just try to scare minorities into thinking Republicans want to try to curtail their vote . That is a patent LIE devoid of fact . What I just posted logically points out that if anyone is closing their polling places or not having enough of them they should take that up with the Dems as they live in Dem areas . Also you do the Country a disservice by spreading that kind of LIE . It is racially motivated and divisive . I guess since Obama does that all the time you who support him think that’s cool too .

          • RobertCHastings

            The ruling has a great deal to do with it, for it will allow those practices for which the Act was written in the first place to once again become prevalent and widely used in efforts to keep particular demographics from casting their votes. Hello! Why do you think this was taken before SCOTUS in the first place?

          • bikejedi

            You keep saying that without explaining how that would look or how that would take place ..Just saying it doesn’t make it so .

          • RobertCHastings

            As the article states, voters in Florida were required to wait in line for up to nine hours in order to vote. While precincts SHOULD serve the same number of voters, such a backlog in only those areas with large numbers of pro-Dem voters SOUNDS like a deliberate violation. As this is demonstrative of Florida’s behavior in the past that eventually led to the enactment of the ACT, it appears that the ACT is still valid, and the “outdated” data from the 60’s is still relevant. Of course, Florida is not the only state in which this happened, and it occurred in several jurisdictions that were not covered by the 1965 ACT. Based upon our collective experiences for the previous presidential election, it should be apparent that the ACT is still needed, and perhaps in an expanded version. While the motivation of local/state authorities in placing roadblocks in the way of those who wish to vote may NOT have been racism, there was an overweening desire to prevent the casting of votes for a particular party. You’ve been watching events, apparently. I am not attempting to make it so just by saying it, it IS so based upon the observable information.

          • idamag

            BTW, you stated you have a personal relationship with those three people. What is it?

          • bikejedi

            Well that’s a bit personal as to one . The others I know from acquaintances

      • idamag

        I am not a liberal, so I can slap you around. The long lines was the new voter suppression tactic. If you believe in America then you should fight for everyone’s right to vote.

        • bikejedi

          I don’t believe in long lines either and since most of these people that you say faced these long lines were people of color and most of those people live in Dem precincts why don’t you ask the Dems why they did that to their supporters ?

          • Allan Richardson

            You know as well as I do that the PARTY does not control the election process, the STATE does. The State of Florida had been tricked into electing a Republican “gonifator” and had been gerrymandered to have a Republican legislature, so THEY set up the conditions leading to the long lines. The Democratic Party had NO INPUT AND NO POWER to change it. The only contribution the party had to the long lines was asking their voters to turn out; which is what everyone should do anyway!

          • bikejedi

            Allan . The County election boards run the election process on election days . they man the polling places and equip them with voting machines . If there was a problem those are the people that should be held accountable . I really believe that all voting should be done on election day period . All except those who are infermed or serving in the military . While the state sets the State laws they are the same for every County as to hours and such

          • idamag

            If you had been paying attention you would have found out that the State AG controls the elections.

          • bikejedi

            I agree and also add that it is the County Election Boards that operate man and equip Polling places . They also count the ballots .

      • Lynda Groom

        My reply is read the answer from RobertCHastings that explains the problem you are having with the facts.

        • bikejedi

          So what I take from your response is that Liberals agreeing with Liberals over misinformation and false premises means that people are just supposed to take that as the literal truth…. Because Mr Hastings says it is . Well I’m glad to see that you listen to him instead of Joy Behar . You see I rely on fact and logic and that is what tends to confuse people on the left .

          • charleo1

            You sound like a flat earther. Oh yeah? Just because you
            say the Earth is round. This Newton dude? I never heard
            of him. Is he another one of your Liberal propagandist?
            I guess you didn’t notice, in every State where the GOP
            controlled the Legislature, and had a GOP Governor, they
            claimed rampant voter fraud. Narrowed what would be
            accepted as ID. And cut in half the allotted time polls
            would be open for early voting. Including the Sunday
            before election day. A traditional voting day for African
            Americans, after church. In Florida, the Secretary of
            State, a gubernatorial appointee, runs the election
            process. Governor Rick Scott was advised beforehand
            that the number of newly registered voters forecast long lines, with heavy wait times in populous Miami-Dade
            County. And, ask the Governor to replace at least some of the early voting days. He refused. Now, that’s all on record.
            As was the 8 to 10 hour wait times in Miami Dade. Amply,
            covered by local newspapers, and T.V. stations. See, the
            problem I have with people like you, is they know better.
            But refuse to have an honest conversation. Personally,
            I wouldn’t be affiliated with a political party, that had such
            disdain for something so fundamental to the small D, democratic process as casting a vote.

          • bikejedi

            So the Gov made rules for the whole state and Miami Dade didn’t get the memo ?????Ok once again . Dade County is DEM …take it up with them if they are trying to suppress the Black vote . Why do they have early voting days any way . There should be one election day and I think some of the basic election stuff should be made federal law …For instance voter ID and one election day .

          • charleo1

            Gee Mister. I though I just explained who controls the
            election rules. They have early voting to encourage
            participation. What the GOP is doing discourages
            participation. There is a reason the GOP would like to
            have less participation. Do you know what that reason
            is? I think you do. This is why it’s so difficult to have an
            honest conversation with GOP supporters. I took the time
            to explain very truthfully, in detail, who makes the election
            rules in Florida. And I know you read it. But you decided
            to ignore it. And make the same erroneous argument
            again, about Miami-Dade being Democrat. The internet
            is right in front of you. Why don’t you look it up? That
            was you, that claimed to be so handy with logic, and
            fact? Right? Well, here is one of those confused Liberals,
            calling your bluff. So what you got?

          • bikejedi

            That’s what I Used . The rules are the same for the whole state as they should be . If the Governor threw out some early voting it is for the whole state and by that it should not be discriminatory to anyone . That is unless you believe that Blacks cant go vote on the same day as everyone else . the other stuff I addressed and you chose to ignore … Dade county is DEM take it up with your guys ….this is why it is so hard to have a conversation with closed minded individuals .

          • charleo1

            Really? You contradicted yourself! The Democrats are not
            in charge of polls, in Miami-Dade. Even if they are a majority.
            Thick headed much? I apologize for assuming you were
            just playing dumb, because you couldn’t defend the GOP
            policies. Especially if you claim cutting early voting in
            North rural, Florida, is the same as cutting early voting in a
            County of 2 and 1/2 million people.

          • bikejedi

            So you think that the rules should be different all over the State to favor one party ? No the hours should be set by the state and if there weren’t enough polling places take that up with the Dade county election board …Your anger should be directed at them ..and oh that board is run by Dems

          • bikejedi

            Geez So the Gov set the hours . the hours are the same all over the State which is fair . The County election boards run the polling places man them and equip them . As I said take it up with the Dade County folks and that board is Dem . that’s t I got …just good old common sense

          • Allan Richardson

            I would agree with voter ID if the ID could be obtained by poor, invalid, and/or transportation-challenged people without cost, AND such a program were funded and staffed sufficiently to get everyone an ID by election day. But of course the purpose of requiring a NEW kind of ID is precisely to PREVENT those groups of people from being able to get it.

          • bikejedi

            Good post Allen and as I keep pointing out …States that have enacted these laws have addressed these Issues …Doesn’t seem like anyone is having a problem in those States complying .I disagree with the last part where you assume that someone wants to prevent a group from voting . The laws are the same for everyone in those states

          • idamag

            If it were just voter ID that would be fine as long as everyone had access to voter ID. When a college student’s ID card can be denied that looks kind of off.

          • bikejedi

            I like this comment and agree . Most States only require a signature that matches what’s on the Voter Registration file .

        • BDC_57

          he don’t what facts all he knows how to do is lie

  • ObozoMustGo

    The SCOTUS did not gut anything except what is today an unfair intrusion into states rights by the Feds. They did NOT eliminate a voter’s rights who thinks they are being infringed from seeking redress with the courts. While 50 years ago it may have been needed to prevent unfair voting restrictions that kept blacks from the polls, it is no longer needed today. In fact, ANY laws that create special treatment and classes based upon race are automatically racist in and of themselves because they require reverse discrimination, and many times racial quotas. The SCOTUS was right when they said that states and localities of today should not be punished forever with the sins of 50+ years ago. If this country is ever going to get passed the race issue, we are going to have to start looking at one another as humans, as Americans, and NOT as different races, classes, and genders, or any of the myriad ways that you leftist freaks love to divide us. I get it though, many of you make a living by dividing us and perpetuating the now false cries of racism everywhere you turn. GET OVER IT!!! And those of you to whom this applies, get the chips off your shoulders.

    Have a nice day!

    “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

    • Riobound

      Whether it is unfair voter restrictions or gerrymandering of districts … politicians don’t want laws like thieves don’t want police.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Rio… You have hit the nail right on the head with that one.

        Have a nice day!

        “Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.” — P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian

      • idamag

        Good reply.

    • Lynda Groom

      Gee here we go again with old States Right argument. Yeah that has sure worked out well since the country was founded.

      • bikejedi

        Yes it has when it has been allowed to work that way . It is one of the cornerstones of the Constitution that liberals all hate …oh except you and your Dem party sure like one amendment …the 5th . Thank you for at leat acknowledging the 10th as being a great amendment you are right that has worked out well for the country

      • RobertCHastings

        The old states’ rights argument is fraught with weaknesses that would rob this country of any strength gained by being a United States. The Articles of Confederation tried that route, and the Continental Congress quickly realized the dangers.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Groomy… the Constitution would NEVER have been ratified without the states retaining their rights over the Federal government. This what the 10th Amendment is all about. The fact that the Federal government has for decades been trampling the 10th Amendment IS much of the problem that faces our country now. And that trampling has been enabled because of hte 17th Amendment, which should be repealed. This is exactly why the feds can FORCE a state to offer social programs and to finance them even when the state would never have wanted to do so. Such nonsense would never have been tolerated at by the states ratifying the Constitution as the principle of Federalism was of primary importance. While it is 100% true that slavery was a state’s rights issue, it was also an issue that violated the original Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself, as well as violating morality. There are matters where state’s rights end, but this is NOT one of those cases. Rather, this is a case where the Feds were treating some states and citizens differently than other states and citizens. All the court said was that the original basis for different treatment has gone. They did not revoke the VRA, but only the section 4 that specified that the feds had authority over every minute decision on voting in those states and localities. Decisions so minor as moving a polling place from one building to the building next door down. There is no need for that level of federal oversight in selected states and localities. Anyone who feels they have had their voting rights infringed still has all of the protection of the law and is fully able to excercise their rights to redress a grievance as any other citizen.

        Have a nice day!

        “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain

        • whodatbob

          As a liberal, center left, thank you for telling it like it is. It is time to treat all people the same.

          • ObozoMustGo

            bob… you’re right. No special laws for special classes of people. We are all just Americans. I am sick and tired of being divided based upon race, class, and gender. The pols do this because they have discovered that the creation of disharmony amonst the people makes them more inclined to turn over their liberties and their money more easily in pursuit of the perception of “equality” when in reality the meaning of equality is left open to interpretation. Modern leftist liberals tend to want equality of results. They say they don’t, but they do. What else can you call racial quotas? Or punitive taxation? Classic Americal liberals (known as conservatives or libertarians) tend toward equality of opportunity. Obviously that’s sort of a broad brush, but I tend to think that it’s accurate.

            Have a nice day, Bob!

            “Being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions.” ― John Locke, Second Treatise of Government

          • Lynda Groom

            Everybody should be treated the same. It is time for the Federal Government to set up voting rules so the entire country is going to the polls knowing that they are not being singled out to obstruct or delay their right to vote. Allowing the ‘states rights’ argument, letting them process new ways to keep large numbers of citizens from voting is just plain wrong. Even obozomustgo should be in favor of such a plan.

        • Allan Richardson

          When is your time machine going to be ready? You sound as if you would be more comfortable in 1813.

      • idamag

        You can’t trust the states to protect the people. For example: Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, and legalized murder with stand-your-ground laws.

        • Lynda Groom

          Exactly, but far too subtle for some of our fellow posters to grasp.

      • Allan Richardson

        Meaning the states have the right to violate and nullify individual rights? That’s what it was in 1860; that’s what it was in 1960; and that’s what it is today. Those of us who are fortunate enough to have been born with the right skin color and to the right parents saying that all others do not deserve to vote, to associate with “real” Americans in public, or (in 1860) to be treated as human beings rather than livestock to be worked, bred, bought and sold, a condition which a few people, including one GOP member of Congress, are still saying should be restored.

        That’s right, a Republican Congressman (from Texas, I think; I do not remember his name) said in 2012, NOT 1812 or even 1912, that emancipation was “socialism” because it “stole” property from slave owners and “redistributed” it to the slaves!

    • bikejedi

      That is a great comment . Full of common sense . That will confuse the minds of the Liberals

      • Sand_Cat

        Figures you would like Obozo, probably the most racist and immune to facts troll on the site. But then, maybe you plan to challenge for the title. You show good potential.

      • idamag

        blah, blah, blah. You haven’t said anything that contributes to the conversation – just spouting your hateful rhetoric. Why don’t you go to Breitbart, where you can patted on the back, not for intelligence, but hate.

        • bikejedi

          You claim to not be a liberal but you take every Liberal view point and attempt to blast every independent thinker on here …I Have an idea. why don’t you gain some intelligence and integrity and stop lying about who you are ? Or maybe it is just the term Liberal that bothers you . Seems like you are the one with intolerance and hate …By the way you night do yourself some good to go to Breitbart yourself . You see if you had an open mind you might want to see what people other then the Liberals are thinking . For the same reason I read this site . I usually don’t agree with it but I’m glad there can be open dialogue …er sometimes at least ..or until the intolerant closed minded ones show up . I also have to give this site some major kudos as Mr Joe Conason took the time to reply to one of my emails . That type of concern for the readers is uncommon .

    • idamag

      Grab your white sheet and go burn a few crosses.

    • Allan Richardson

      A voter can seek redress in the courts by spending many times his or her income (unless wealthy) and waiting until a dozen more elections have passed. That’s like saying you can seek redress in the courts if your grandfather was unjustly hanged in 1900 for a crime he did not commit.

  • Budjob

    Fascism is on the move in this country that pretends to be a democracy! The biggest problem facing this nation is the southern states and southern republican politicians.We could retaliate by withholding federal funding for these racist states.I predict a violent upheaval within a few years folks.Believe me,it’s on the way!!!

    • bikejedi

      So you equate wanting a fair and verifiable election with the Liberal tired tactic of playing the RACE CARD ????? How unintelligent is that …and then you threaten that their might be a violent upheaval ???? real tolerant of you .. Why wouldn’t you want a verifiable election ? Is it because you know Obama couldn’t have won that way ? Why are all you Liberals so afraid of Voter ID when a MAJORITY of Americans support it NATIONWIDE ??? You want upheaval ? …You Progressives would get crushed …By the way before you think that I am some southerner I live in Chicago where Vote Fraud is the norm .

      • Budjob

        OK Mr. Neo-Nazi,here is a little information that just maybe your ultra conservative brain could possibly absorb but I doubt it.Between 2000 and 2010 there were 649 million votes cast in general elections,47,000 UFO sightings,441 Americans killed by lightning,and 13 yes I said THIRTEEN credible cases of in-person voter impersonation

        • Lynda Groom

          Don’t confuse the poor soul with facts. Facts don’t matter to these folks.

        • bikejedi

          Wow Ad hominum attack …how original and unanticipated ..Neo Nazi ..wow …maybe you should think about how that compares to the DEMs and not me . Im not trying to take guns away or the rights and freedoms of the citizens . Im not building a youth core or Socializing whole industries . I am not building a private army ..I could go on and on but that might get in the way of your intolerance and hate . As for vote fraud …how the heck would you know how much there is without Voter ID . Considering over 70% of Americans favor it even with all the scare tactic rhetoric of the left …don’t you think its time to find out instead of railing against me . And your 13 denies the almost 40 ACORN people who have been convicted of it and the Black Panthers who intimidated voters but Eric Holder wont investigate . It also doesn’t account for the Ohio and Fla counties with over 100% voter turnout ( and yes I am aware of the two page ballot ) and the 59 Philly precincts without a single Romney vote ….wow look a UFO …excuse me its just one of Obama’s drones hahahaha …Match Set Point victory .

      • RobertCHastings

        Obama DID win “that way”. There have been NO actual cases of voter fraud that would be prosecutable along the lines of those for which voter restrictive laws have been enacted.

        • Fern Woodfork

          The Only Voter Fraud Was Done By The GOP/Tea Party They Got Caught 5Times Just This Past Election!!!

          • bikejedi

            Wow I must’ve missed that ….Got a link ? I mean I can point to the vote fraud the left did in Ohio and Fla where there was over 100% turnout and in the 59 Philly precincts where there was not a single Romney vote , but if what you are saying is true and you can prove it , the problem is bigger then any of us thought . So we should all be in agreement to end it right ? Fern Do you have a link .

          • Fern Woodfork

            Yeah It At http://www.Shut The Fuck Up Talking To Me . Duh

          • bikejedi

            So Ill take that as I made that whole thing up and there is no link then ??? and You responded to my post Sir

          • Fern Woodfork

            WWW. STFU Talking To Me Kiss My Ass .Duh

          • bikejedi

            Sir You are talking to me not the other way around so STFU you stupid ignorant Whore and go F your man already …

          • Fern Woodfork

            Your Mother You Low Life Cock Sucking BITCH!! Fuck You Up Your Ass Bitch I Don’t Want Your Pussy Ass Stop Talking To Me!! You Nasty Stinking Dick Sucking BITCH!!!!

          • Fern Woodfork

            Everybody Here Knows It’s Your Ignorant Low Life Ass Come Sniffing Around Looking For Me To Fuck With Kiss My ASS Bitch Go Suck A Dick Like You been Doing!! Stop Fucking Hitting My Reply Button!! You Cock Sucking ASSHOLE!!!

          • bikejedi

            Sir …,,maybe your husband appreciates your foul language …Maybe he can make sense of your incoherent thoughts . Maybe he understands your level of ignorance . No one else wants to hear you and you embarrass every one on the left . I’m sure a lot of them feel the same way

          • Fern Woodfork

            FUCK YOU NASTY STINKING BITCH!!! GO FUCK YOUR DADDY!!! INBRED WHORE!!

          • idamag

            people are losing the art of communication and bikejedi has definitely lost it. Since lying is not communicating, let’s just ignore the red neck.

          • old_blu

            That’s a lie and I can provide a link that proves it’s a lie but you won’t believe it. Huh? And Fern is right, but you won’t believe that link either. Huh?

          • bikejedi

            Boy old blu what are you smoking ? Did you miss the part where I asked Fern to supply a link and she responded not with a Link but with Hate Intolerance Gay Slurs ( I wonder how the Gays on this site feel about Ferns hating on them ? ) and you haven’t supplied any link either ..talk is cheap . I posted fact and you ” talk ” about links …You need to grow up a little before I have any more conversation with you . You seem as indoctrinated brainwashed and intolerant as Fern …Maybe that is why you two get along . You also seem as informed as her …..OH MAJOR SLAM ….even the liberals are laughing out loud ….He bows to the standing O Yells Peace Out …Drops the Mic …followed by massive wail of feedback and amp hum/ buzz and walks off the stage victorious ….Have fun with Fern you two make a great couple

          • old_blu

            You are a liar and a fat mouthed liar at that, here is the link you wanted, but I have a feeling you won’t believe it. Will you? Huh?
            There are many more links. Do you think they’re all liberal sites?
            That’s what all the regurgitating repukes tell me next. Liar, Liar, Liar!! You better look down I think your pants are on fire.

            http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

          • bikejedi

            This seems to address something I never brought up ..( the states with Voter ID ) …If you want to know about voter turnout why don’t you just look at the number of votes cast as opposed to number of registered voters in those counties ( and yes I am aware of the double page ballot in Fla ) I know it might take a few more keystrokes but it would enlighten you . Of course you wont like the results as you seem to be on the same level as Fern ..I don’t think I will be responding to you…. as I said as you seem intolerant …Have a nice weekend

          • old_blu

            LIAR, LIAR!! Of course you don’t want to reply to me because I gave you the link you ask for and proved you to be a liar. “Got a link ? I mean I can point to the vote fraud the left did in Ohio and Fla where there was over 100% turnout'” you said you could prove it and my link (and there are many more) proved you wrong I’ll send you another if you like, and then you can man up and admit you lied hahaha (sure you will) just like I thought you wouldn’t believe it if you saw it.

            This link covers it as well, now just stop lying and I’ll leave you alone…… : ))

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

            You should be doing the *BOWS HEAD IN SHAME* for lying.

            My Mom would have washed my mouth out with soap for such a blatant lie.

          • bikejedi

            Go argue with Fern ..as I said go check the County Board of election websites ..then go in your mommies basement and cry …but please take a shower first …You are as uninformed as Fern and that says a lot . Anyway it seems Obama now agrees with the Right , the Conservatives , and the GOP on the issue of Voter ID ..Now what do you have ???? Nothing Nada Zip …go cry …Yes sireee Obama is spending 53 Mil of Tax Payer Dollars saying it is a good thing to support Voter ID …..Yessirreee it is a good thing to spend OUR money to support that in his Native KENYA ..but here he still thinks Voter ID is racist …oh the pure Hypocrisy of Democrats and Liberals ….Once again drops the mic as the crowd goes wild …Old Blu beside himself stewing in his own hate and anger starts to sob uncontrollably knowing he has NO way to explain the HYPOCRISY of Obama ….He duped yo ass …

          • old_blu

            Hey I had to show ID when I voted for the winner (President Obama) in the last election, that don’t bother me at all, but you said and I quote, “Got a link ? I mean I can point to the vote fraud the left did in Ohio and Fla where there was over 100% turnout and in the 59 Philly precincts where there was not a single Romney vote” I just showed you two sites that refuted what you said that makes you a LIAR, and a horrible one at that. I notice you don’t argue the points I make about you lying, and I don’t know why you bring Fern into this but in her defense she has never lied to me, I’ll respect her a lot more than someone like you that is a LIAR.
            And now I see by your comment about “KENYA” that the only reason you are even on here is to troll because of your hate for our President. (yours and mine) SHAME, SHAME on you LIAR.

          • bikejedi

            Oh the stuff about Kenya hurts your case doesn’t it . Look all you have to do is a google search …I’m not here to do your homework for you . If you were interested in the truth you would’ve already done that …Now go sulk and grow up …Me… I’m done with your intolerant ass

          • old_blu

            I see no to refuting my point again, hmmm that’s weird I thought sure you would be able to come up with a true story as to why there really wasn’t voter fraud like you said…….. NOT.

            As for the rest of your comment. Huh? What the hell are you talking about? You went over the edge, I think in my own little way I may have had something to do with that, and for that I’m sorry I didn’t realize you were that close to the edge.

            I have volunteer work I do on Saturdays, so I have to go now, enjoy the rest of your week end.

          • idamag

            You could show him a surveillance tape that proved what you say and he would not even ponder it.

          • idamag

            You ideologues are the ones who are going to destroy this Democracy. I don’t believe in political parties, but people, like you, have convinced me that Republicans lie a lot.

          • idamag

            You have the better mother is she taught you not to lie.

          • idamag

            Instead of sending someone else to do your research, do it yourself and present facts. One rule: your sources have to be reliable.

          • bikejedi

            Boy you really do believe in the entitlement syndrome …Someone else should do everything for you right …Its someone else’s job right or its your right not to have to do it …or maybe the Govt is supposed to do it for you …Take some personal responsibility for your own education …so that you can be better informed and make better decisions ..I told him where to find it . do it your self Im not your nanny .

          • Fern Woodfork

            Your Mammie!! Bikerbitch!!

          • idamag

            You don’t really want a link. Your mind is made up and you don’t want to be confused with facts.

          • BDC_57

            they only believe want they want to ever notice that the truth hurts for them

          • idamag

            Fern is absolutely right. However, the unwashed don’t want you to provide soap. They are comfortable with their dirt.

          • idamag

            I watched it all unfold at the time it was happening and I watched the hearing on Cspan, where a group of disenfranchised voters went to the government to complain. I will find sources for you as you are either too young to remember or too biased to have noticed.

          • bikejedi

            Meanwhile Over 70% of Americans want Voter ID …Even President Obama wants it . He is spending 53 Mil to help install Voter ID . He called it a necessary step to ensure verifiable and fair elections …In Kenya .. So what did cspan show ? I’ll bet 5 paid activist so they can make a news story out of it .

          • idamag

            Yes. Fern, There was the guy in Florida registering voters and they found a bunch of, voters who were democrats’ registrations, in a trash can. Then there was the girl registering voters in California. She was caught on a home security camera telling the potential voter, she could only register Republicans. And the biggest voter fraud ever perpetuated: 30,000 voters were purged from the voting roles and only 430 should not have voted, and most of them were unaware that felons cannot vote in Florida. When franchised voters complained because they did not get to vote, “Choice Point”, hired by Catherine Harris to do the purge, said that an error margin on 15% was acceptable.

        • bikejedi

          You see we may never know that without voter ID so your argument is moot

          • RobertCHastings

            MOST jurisdictions already have some form of voter registration and identification. Most jurisdictions have poll workers from the area of the polls they serve, who, over the years, come to know the people who will come to vote, to recognize them, and to recognize attempts to play the system. It is only reasonable that precincts SHOULD have approximately the same numbers of registered voters, and precincts within the same states SHOULD have the same equipment and hours of operation. However, all too frequently those precincts that have larger numbers of poor will not adhere to the same standards as precincts in more affluent areas, which, based upon two previous decisions by SCOTUS regarding equal education, inherently makes unequal these two systems within the larger system, thereby creating an inferior system for the poor.

          • bikejedi

            Ok you are just supposing this will happen and as I pointed out most minorities that the Left is trying to scare with this rhetoric live in DEM controlled areas sooo …Anyway you seem reasonable Mr Hastings Thank you for your explanation and the civil dialogue .

          • RobertCHastings

            We both benefit when the dialogue remains civil. I wish some others on this sight would learn that lesson. Nice chatting with you.

    • RobertCHastings

      More states OUTSIDE the Deep South have over the past five years enacted laws that restrict voting rights than have those actually in the areas originally impacted by section 5.

    • bikejedi

      Wow it now seems Obama has changed mid stream and reversed himself on the issue of voter ID …Yessirreee He is going to spend 53 Mil of OUR Tax Dollars to support it ..Saying Voter ID is a good thing and necessary for a verifiable election ….IN HIS NATIVE KENYA …Yessireee it is a good thing there necessitating another huge waste of OUR money but here in America ….uh its still Racist ….Oh the sweet Hypocrisy of Obama and the Liberal left …However will you spin that ?????….Hahahahaha you cant make this level of incompetence and utter stupidity up …as well as the Hypocrisy .

  • Catskinner

    Hopefully this will put an end to inner city dwellers being able to cast multiple votes in elections, which would allow competent people to get elected to public office.

    • Lorr

      Where is the proof – Just like Republicans make accusations but never back it up with FACTS…. Show me the multiple votes cast in elections – you can’t because it is a figment of your bias imagination. There is no voter fraud and it is people like you who allow incompetent people to get elected to public office.
      16 Republican-dominated states tried various ways to suppress the right to vote of people of color.

      They claim that Government is interfering, but yet Republicans (voted in by people like you) have no problem getting in a woman’s vagina. How about passing a law that every male over the age of 12 has to have a vasectomy and once married he can have it reversed? Government is too big yet they want to spend 30 billion on building more fence, putting on more Border Control and collecting their salaries which they haven’t earned in 4 1/3 years.

      Republicans want to legislate a women’s reproductive rights, Religious beliefs, Morality/Sin. They want to do away with a Democratic Government and create a Republican Regime – one party their party imposing their policies on everyone.

      • Catskinner

        I agree. Republicans support some pretty dumb things.

      • ralphkr

        But, Lorr, there is proof of multiple votes being cast and that they caught the REPUBLICANs in the act.

      • bikejedi

        What does this ruling have to do with the Liberal agenda that says we have to pay for a women’s lifestyle choices ..What does this have to do with that other then the fact that you cant debate or dispute the facts of this ruling so you spin and deflect this conversation to another one you are unhinged about . Look your Socialist is ruling us and he is making the decision to force tax payers to pay for Sandra Flukes lifestyle choices . He is also forcing whole faiths to fund this against their faiths . By doing that he is taking away their religious freedom …But none of that’s a problem to you …None of that style of imposing your agenda matters right ?

        • Sand_Cat

          You haven’t got the vaguest clue about any “Liberal Agenda.” Like most neo-Nazis, you look and see that sane people are a long way from you on the political spectrum, so they become – for you and other ignorant and deluded morons – the “FAR LEFT.” The last liberal president this country had was Lyndon Johnson, but you idiots have stuck the label on every Democrat since, and even some very conservative Republicans (John McCain, for instance) who had brief flashes of honesty and common sense, quickly suppressed by the cries of people like you.

          • bikejedi

            Oh I think I know it well > I grew up in Chicago as a DEM until that party went full Socialist . Neo Nazi …I thought we were the Taliban …make up you feeble intolerant LYING mind . How do you describe any Conservative as Nazi like …Lets check the score card …you wont like this because it deals in historic fact and logic so feel free to bury your pea brain in the sand …Lets see Hitler Socialized whole industries …took guns away …started a youth core …grew the size of govt and their control ..armed a private army ..I could go on and on but your Neo Nazi thing describes Obama not any Conservative . I usually don’t resort to personal attacks but since you persist and you sound as intelligent as Fern I have to ask …does she wrote your material ? You are an uninformed MORON who misrepresents everything and doesn’t have fact or logic to back you up . Im sure several intelligent liberals are begging you to just stop before you make them all seem unintelligent and intolerant .

        • Lorr

          Your right – I went on a rant against Republicans and went beyond the scope of the article. However, is Obama is a Socialist he is the worse Socialist ever. There are times I think President Obama is a closeted Republican. Your party wants to eliminate the two party system and only have Republicans in charge and dictating our Religion, Morality, Lifestyles and keep most Americans at wages that can not sustain a family. No one but Republicans are trying to take away Religious Freedom. So you want to end abortions than have boys 12 and over have a Vasectomy and that will keep your uneducated, perverted Republicans out of women’s vaginas.

          • bikejedi

            Lorr you say that Republicans are trying to take away religious freedom ???? I pointed out a factual example of the opposite . Anyway this will just be way off topic so maybe we table that discussion . I agree with you Obama is a bad bad Socialist but to try to use that argument that he is a centrist is just not true . Also please explain how the Republicans are trying to eliminate two party system . The only way I see that is that the RINOS are siding with everyone of the Liberal agenda votes …so in a way you may be right but you should also welcome that . The real threat to the two party system is Socialism ans buying and paying people to vote one way . The increase in people on entitlements making them feel beholden to the Dems . the increase in Public Union and Govt workers …it goes on and on and you are right but you got the Party wrong

          • Lorr

            Final comment from me:

            Republicans want to force their Religion on all of us, They want pieces of Religion taught in Public Schools. They are trying to impose their Religious beliefs on all of us quoting the bible when arguing against Safety Net Programs, Abortion and Same Sex Marriage.

            They are trying to eliminate the 2 party system by gerrymandering and voter ID laws, shortening voting hours, closing voting locations and moving them further away, limiting or doing away with early voting, all of which will effect Democrats and the poor, and people of color.

            I disagree I got the party right, unfortunately you got it wrong. Thank you for the exchange but we have not changed our point of views.

          • bikejedi

            Lorr I never even thought of changing your views as you are cult like in your devotion and indoctrination and wont listen to common sense and fact . I do know that any one with independence of thought will read this and either agree with me or at least be open to what I say . That is a victory . Just today it appears that the Obama regime may face a challenge to the provision of Obamacare that say that employers have to supply contraceptives ( see Hobby Lobby ) so your argument doesn’t hold ANY water ..ALL the evidence supports my view that it is Obama that is forcing religions to go against their own doctrine to supply contraceptives and other restrictions …Gee but the exempted Islam from Obamacare …You lose this argument on facts not “your” feelings …and none of this has anything to do with the topic anyway . No one on the right is against a safety net but luxury hammocks for the lazy is not good for anyone in this Country . All of the arguments about polling places should be directed at the local DEM County boards where you say it is happening . Seems they are discriminating against Black people and that should not be allowed .

          • Lorr

            I did not continue to read you post beyond the first line. Let me see if I understand you correctly – because I don’t accept your point of view I have a cult like devotion, however your is opinion is not a Republican Cult mentality. When you say something of value and based on facts not Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, I will have an open mind.

          • bikejedi

            Lorr …I did not expect to change YOUR mind but I do think any one with independent thought will agree with what I said . And what I posted was public record or based on the laws passed by Obama and the Dems . These policies are the proof that it is they who are trying to dictate who has Religious freedom and who doesn’t …I will say that you seem to be civil for the most part so I apologize for the stereotyping .

          • bikejedi

            By the way if you cared about the black race you would want tax payer funded abortions stopped . It is damn near creating genocide for Blacks in NYC where 43% of those pregnancies end in abortion . We on the right want to stay out of yours and MS Flukes vaginas believe me . Not to stereotype but have you taken a look at Liberal women …geez … It Is the Dems that want the Tax payer in your vagina …I could care less what you do with it .

          • Lorr

            I care about all races and genders. But you nor politicians have the right to force a woman to have a baby she does not want. It is her decision not yours, and she will make that decision and be judged by God on judgment day. The last time I looked God was not aka bikejedi or Republican Party. I suggest you do some research – tax payer money does not pay for abortions.

          • bikejedi

            What do you call Planned Parenthood ?…oh I know they are for Womens health and do breast screenings right ? That’s a hoot only about 10 of those places even have the equipment for that

          • Lorr

            Federal law prohibits Planned Parenthood from federal funds for performing abortions. Your Republican Leaders have done audits more than once to ensure that no Federal Funds were used. You stated: “That’s a hoot only about 10 of those places even have the equipment for that” How many Planned Parenthood locations have you been to? Were you there for yourself or a spouse?

            Goodbye

          • bikejedi

            I have taken two female friends to PP for abortions . And no they weren’t mine . These two are in therapy over their decisions ..one for the last 20 years . If you believe that anyone can possibly oversee what PP does with those dollars or that PP would be ethical in their reporting then that is a naïve position

          • Lorr

            I admire what you did for your two friends giving them support when they were making a very difficult decision. No one said this was an easy decision and it is one that will probably be with them always. If a woman does not believe in abortion than she should not have one and she has the freedom to make that choice. However other women many not feel the same, have the same family or friend support and they should have the right to make their choice without condemnation from Politicians and strangers who know nothing of their circumstances.

            Since the Republicans were looking for misappropriation of funds I am certain they left no stone unturned.
            Have a nice weekend

          • bikejedi

            Well I think it is easy enough to hide appropriations in accounting maneuvers ….but any way …You have a nice weekend as well ..Nice to have a civil conversation

    • Allan Richardson

      No, it is intended to prevent inner city dwellers from being able to cast THEIR ONE VOTE to which they are entitled. This court has made the ruling at just the WRONG time, and it seems they know very well that this Congress will never do ANYTHING to fix the problem; in fact, to them the problem IS the solution they want to have. Just like high unemployment is the “cure” for the “inflation” of higher wages for workers.

      • Catskinner

        It would do nothing at all to prevent anyone from casting one vote.

        • johninPCFL

          Yeah, the folks in south Florida got to wait nine hours to vote. Why? Well, the GOP election supervisors put two polling places in the black areas, and 20 in the white areas.

          • Catskinner

            Because they were voting nine or ten times.

          • Lynda Groom

            Utter nonsense. Florida may be backward in some ways, but their screwed up voting procedures and duplicated all over the country.

          • Catskinner

            Because, ex-ACORN people and Democratic operatives were trying to vote multiple times all over the country. That’s why all of these states need Voter ID.

          • Sand_Cat

            And you saw this in your crystal ball, or just closed your eyes and wished real hard until it was revealed to you?

          • Catskinner

            No, it was all over the news, but you had to look to find it because the mainstream media didn’t want to cover is. Check out the case of the billboards in Ohio and Wisconsin the 2012 presidential race.

          • idamag

            I am against political parties because they divide this nation. However, there were so many people, like you, in the Republican Party I voted straight Democrat.

          • Catskinner

            I’m not a Republican.

          • Allan Richardson

            Considering that these alleged multiple votes occurred in GOP controlled states, it would seem that if they were documented, the GOP controlled authorities in those states would have made a substantial number of arrests, indictments, and trials, not just leaked it to the news media (a few right wing blogs) and let the people go. A few dozen or a few hundred, or even ONE voter actually being PROSECUTED would not have escaped even the “liberal” mainstream media.

          • Catskinner

            GOP controlled states, like Minnesota and California?

          • Allan Richardson

            Ohio and Florida were the ones cited. Both of them have small Democratic majorities of TOTAL voters, but are gerrymandered to assure a Republican seat majority in their state legislatures and Congressional delegations, and managed to slip in GOP governors during the temporary TP madness of 2010, so both states have GOP controlled statewide voting rules.

            And honestly, even in Minnesota and California, a prosecutor would have a hard time fighting public opinion (of BOTH parties, since Democratic voters actually want to win HONESTLY) by not prosecuting any crimes that were publicly revealed.

          • Catskinner

            You must have missed the references to Minnesota and California. and I would agree, Democrats did want to win honestly–with the exception of Huey Long and Lyndon Johnson–until Barack Obama came along.

          • RobertCHastings

            Which pretty accurately describes the process you are using.

          • Sand_Cat

            Let me get this straight: you believe this guy’s claim that lots of people voted 9 or 10 times, with the implied conclusion that this is the reason Mitt Romney lost?

            And that we need to restrict legitimate voters in order to avoid his fantasy’s coming true?

            Sorry, I must have misread your other posts on this site. Didn’t always agree with you, but I thought you were at least sane and rational.

          • RobertCHastings

            Whoa, slow down a minute there pardner! My comment did not say that. I apologize, I thought I was responding to Catskinner. Must have punched the wrong button.
            I agree with your argument completely. I, along with others on this page, have disagreed with anyone who has claimed massive voter fraud, and that restricting the vote of thousands will prevent such fraud.

          • RobertCHastings

            Another unverifiable lie perpetrated by the rightist media icons Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. Your claims are simply unverifiable and unprovable for one very simple reason, they are lies.

          • idamag

            prove what you say or go over to Breitbart where you will be rewarded for being stupid.

          • Lynda Groom

            Please proceed.

          • RobertCHastings

            Even if that is supposed a genuine rebuttal, it has NOT been proven, and there is no way to legitimately validate it. It is, in other words, a simple lie.

          • Catskinner

            They found a woman who voted 6 times, and there’s reason to believe it’s more widespread than that.

          • idamag

            I’m sure Glen Beck found that story for you.

          • Catskinner

            No, even the mainstream media carried it.

          • RobertCHastings

            Please, enlighten all of us and post a link to the website where you found this story. If it is a valid, verifiable story, then I feel everyone on this site owes you an apology. However, if NOT, then you owe us an apology.

          • Catskinner

            http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wkef_vid_11477.shtml
            This woman was in Ohio. The woman in Florida only voted twice, but they found six illegal aliens who voted during the inquiry.

          • RobertCHastings

            Who found six illegal aliens who voted? Sounds like you at least got the Melowese Richardson story right, and that she actually admitted to voting twice. But what about the six illegal aliens. I find THAT part highly unlikely, especially since most of the polls in Florida were manned by Republicans.

          • Catskinner

            I can’t remember what I used for a prompt earlier, but I did find this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJDudUpct0

          • RobertCHastings

            I am willing to grant you the ONE about the Richardson woman. However, YouTube is not exactly a reliable source. Not being one prone to accept conspiracies as the order of the day, I prefer to find my information at sources that are reliable and verifiable.

          • Catskinner
          • RobertCHastings

            I would LIKE to assume that you actually read the article you are linking to. However, I don’t think you did so. The word “alleged” appears more than once, and the program of Gov. Scott’s in which he is illegally purging voter rolls is, as the article clearly states, under investigation. This is, apparently, a case of profiling.

          • Catskinner

            Yeah, I just re-read it. 86 illegal aliens were on the voter rolls, some of them voted. Frankly, I think way too much is made out of this insanity about profiling. People who look and talk like they’ve been here for several generations probably are not illegal aliens.

          • RobertCHastings

            The profiling that is apparently being used to prevent people from casting their votes is basically the same as the blatant racism used before 1965 to keep blacks from voting. Two prominent billboards were posted in predominantly minority areas in a major city, telling those who would attempt to vote that certain things were going to happen. And there are many substantiated accounts of the same kind of intimidation occurring in workplaces, telling workers they would lose their jobs if Obama were elected. This is the same thing as the physical intimidation that happened when blacks in Mississippi and Alabama tried to register to vote in the 50’s and 60’s, and earlier. I feel that we do not need, as a country, to return to an era when a significant portion of Americans were treated as less than citizens and denied their right to vote.

          • Catskinner

            Yes, I’m aware of the billboards that went up in Ohio and Wisconsin, and I don’t see anything wrong with them. It was confusing, though, the way that whole thing went down. It looked like some Republican operative had them put up, but when the billboard company was in a position of having to disclose the name of their client, the client allowed them to come down. It made me think someone other than a Republican had them put up in the first place–a Democrat competitor of the president’s, perhaps.

            I was walking around on the face of the planet in the 50’s and 60’s, and the things I remember about voter intimidation then was a lot different than a few billboards. The messages on the billboards in Ohio and Wisconsin were absolutely accurate, so what could be wrong with that?

            Frankly, I don’t see anything wrong with telling people they could lose their jobs if Obama gets elected. A lot of people where I live did lose their jobs. If people are going to take on the responsibility of voting, they should be able to figure things out for themselves.

            Finally, I would refer you to two Wikipedia articles: One on the Dornan/Sanchez House race in California, and the other one, the Franken/Coleman Senate race in Minnesota. Both were very tight races which generated a lot of interest and prompted investigations, and in both cases they found a substantial amount of voter fraud. In the Franken/Coleman race, it could have overturned the election if it had been discovered early enough.

          • Allan Richardson

            The same news article cited several cases of people being MISTAKENLY put on that list, including a World War II veteran whose family had been here for generations and he was born in New York City (which, despite right wing wishes, IS part of the United States). Given the slack selection logic, I doubt that more than one of the 86 ACTUALLY proved to be illegal aliens, or even non-citizens, once their paperwork was turned up.

            The point of that voter purge, especially of having it come so close to the election, was to scoop up names of people who MIGHT be non-citizens going by their names, and keep them from voting by keeping their status in doubt until after the election, when it would be too late for them to vote. The reason? Because they would be likely to vote Democratic. If you think that a “gonifator” like Rick Scott, who previously ran one of the biggest Medicare-defrauding hospital chains in the country (and as CEO didn’t know that was happening?) is a scrupulously honest man, I have a bridge to sell you!

          • Allan Richardson

            Where? When? Was she prosecuted? Why or why not?

          • Catskinner

            Yeah, we’re waiting for Eric (The Crook) Holder to prosecute.

          • Allan Richardson

            The state would prosecute, not the federal government. And in every state, the majority of voters, regardless of party, would not tolerate an individual voting multiple times, so the officials would probably have her in court and in jail very quickly. In fact, if it happened in a “red” state, they would be eager to make an example of her; if in a “blue” state, they would be eager to show that they impartially prosecute all voter fraud. That’s assuming she was a Democrat; the only people actually CAUGHT trying to vote illegally have been Republicans trying to prove it is possible!

          • idamag

            Did you even go to high school? You must have a list of those who voted more than once. Maybe you stood at the polls all day and took timed pictures to prove that some people voted more than one. As for voter fraud, what about the person who was registering voters and when he left for the night, the cleaners found a waste basket full of registrations – all Democrat (Florida). and how about the young lady, in Colorado, who told people, at the door, that she could only register Republicans, yet she was being paid registrar wages? Or, how about the 2000 purge in Florida. 30,000 names were purged and when they insisted the government check it out, 400 of them should not have voted. When your name gets on a purge list and you show up at the polls and are denied the vote, how are you going to feel?

          • BDC_57

            he don’t have any proof he just lying like he always does.

          • bikejedi

            Oh you mean like in Dem controlled DADE County ?

          • Allan Richardson

            Not all parts of the government in Dade County are controlled by Democrats, or even by the county; election rules are set by the state, and the county Supervisor of Elections, even if that happens to be a Democrat, has to follow STATE laws set by Republicans.

          • bikejedi

            And what does that have to do with the quest for a fair and verifiable election process ? How would this affect what you are talking about ? Yeah I know when you cant debate the facts of the Supreme Court order just spin deflect and rag about something else . This court order has nothing to do with what you allege and it seems that this was a DEM problem as most of the black population in America resides in the ghettos that their party and undying support for that party has built for them

          • idamag

            And don’t forget Ohio not having enough workable voting machines in some districts.

        • Allan Richardson

          If you believe that, you are living in a fantasy world. I have listed on another site so many examples of specific injustices that were either in effect or just barely stopped in the last election cycle that it took over 30 minutes to type them from memory. But as a start, imagine that you have been voting for 50 years, live in a senior center, on Medicaid (not because you didn’t save when you were young, but because you had to spend it all on nursing care and it ran out). You were born at home and your birth was therefore not registered, but that was no problem 50 years ago. You have not had a driver’s license since before they had photo ID on them, so you need to get a photo ID, which requires a personal visit to the DMV. But first you need to get a birth certificate, which requires a personal visit to Vital Statistics and possibly hiring an attorney to recover the records (if that cannot be done, your voting rights are screwed for the rest of your life). And both personal visits to state agencies require that you are accompanied by a nursing attendant and ride in an ambulance, and pay by the hour while the nurse and driver wait for you. And both documents require a fee. But since you are on Medicaid, you do not have the money for ANY OF THE STEPS NEEDED to get the new ID to vote!

          Or suppose you are a young person working a job with long hours (or two jobs) to make ends meet, and the early voting days and hours have been cut down to the point that you cannot get EVEN ONE of those times off, because your boss really does not WANT his lower-paid employees to vote; and your precinct, which is demographically mostly liberal, was allocated (intentionally) far too few machines/booths/ballots resulting in long lines, and since you HAVE to keep your job, you give up without voting. Meanwhile, in the upscale suburbs filled with conservative voters, there are 10 times as many voting resources per person, stay-at-home wives can go anytime, professional and executive men and women can take off from work anytime, and there are never any lines.

          Do some honest research and you will find a dozen other examples.

          • bikejedi

            So it might take some effort . A lot of states just require an affidavit saying you are who you are and then a picture . NEXT straw man argument please

          • Sand_Cat

            The straw is in your braincase; obviously nothing weighing very much is in there.

          • RobertCHastings

            Not just a picture, but a picture affixed to some form of government issued identification. Mere birth certificates are not acceptable, nor are Soc. Sec. cards (or Medicare/Medicaid for that matter). Of course Social Security cards should NOT be used for ID purposes anyway. In point of fact, those documents that WE all possess for the purpose of identifying us as being who we say we are are not being accepted in those jurisdictions where the powers that be actually WANT to reduce the vote for one side of the issue.

          • bikejedi

            So what you are saying is you and the left think that black people are too stupid or lazy to get an ID like everyone else ???? Do you know how racist and disrespectful that sounds . Of I was a person of color and the people on my side thought that about me I would feel very disrespected . And as I stated notarized affidavits are acceptable in most ( not all ) jurisdictions

          • RobertCHastings

            Rather convoluted, wouldn’t you say? Your rants paint you as a racist liar, so what better way to DEFLECT such claims than to point the finger the other way, a typical maneuver for those with weak arguments.

          • bikejedi

            Whats convoluted about the truth …Im not the one who thinks this way the left is .I didn’t say that Blacks were incapable of getting an ID but you inferred it . I didn’t deflect I addressed what you posted . I don’t have a weak argument I have the truth fact and logic …It seems you stepped in your own doo doo on that …sorry

          • RobertCHastings

            Your original argument disputed some claims about the correctness of voter ID, and you went on to claim that “some” jurisdictions require only documentation and a picture to register. Which is basically the same as saying that once a person is REGISTERED, these items should be unnecessary since he has already proven his qualification to vote. So why is it necessary, in some jurisdictions, to present these articles when one is voting? The poll process allows adequate opportunity for authorities to ascertain if an individual is who he says he is. And the kind of voter fraud such procedures would prevent are virtually non-existent. People DO NOT go to the polls and vote as someone else.

          • Allan Richardson

            Are you equating being poor and not having (or being able to drive) a car with “stupid and lazy?”

          • bikejedi

            Not at all . I think , and give them credit , for being just as capable as any other American to get a free ID . It is the left that thinks otherwise . If I were a black American I would feel very disrespected by people who thought I was Stupid and Lazy and notice …those were YOUR words …which says a lot about your own notions and feelings about Black people not any one on the Right …

          • idamag

            Beings as how you graduated summa cum laud from Harvard, you will understand this when I state it: Picture IDs was struck down last month.

          • Allan Richardson

            “Some effort?” Have you ever known an elderly poor person in a nursing home? One whose only source of pride is having been a voter, something she (usually a woman) has been doing for decades, even after entering nursing care, thanks to absentee ballots? And as of THIS coming election, she has to PAY an ambulance company to send a nurse and driver to take her to the Vital Statistics office, PAY them for their time while she waits for the staff there, then IF LUCKY (and her birth records can be found) PAY another fee to get the birth certificate; then PAY the ambulance company to repeat the process at the DMV, PAY another fee to get the non-driver photo ID with the notation “citizen” on it; then PAY the ambulance company again to go to the elections office (at least THEY don’t charge a fee YET) to be registered? The fees probably add up to $100 more or less, and the charges for the ambulance and nurse may be several thousand dollars depending on how long they had to wait at each stop. And this is a POOR nursing home resident!

            It is obvious that the real PURPOSE of saying your old ID is no good anymore is to stop that little old lady from voting, since she is likely to vote Democratic, while the suburban doctor and his wife can just close the office for a day and pay for it out of petty cash, since they are likely to vote GOP. Heck, if the poor elderly lady was that doctor’s MOTHER, he probably wouldn’t help her.

          • bikejedi

            Most States that already have voter ID have already worked those kinks out . Stop trying to scare Black voters with divisive scare tactics . Most only need some form of ID or a signature matching voting records …stop spreading fear for no other reason then to divide us and to try to scare Black people who already vote Dem into thinking a lie …That Lie would be that anyone is trying to stop them from voting …You do realize that if they are in a nursing home they already have an ID right ??????…Come on get real ..Most of these people are on entitlements or Soc Sec anyway and you have to have ID’s for that ….Look I’m not going to keep responding to these fear and hate tactics ..It is very disrespectful of Black Americans to think or suppose they are in any way less capable of getting an ID …stop being so racist and stereotyping these people as incapable

        • Sand_Cat

          Just keep living in your little delusion-filled dream-world.

          • bikejedi

            I live in Chicago where ACORN and Vote Fraud were born …You keep living in your dream world Sand Cat …Bury your head in the sand

          • Sand_Cat

            Yeah, the fact that you talk about ACORN shows where you stand. Nothing like willful ignorance. You obviously have your head up your ass.

          • bikejedi

            And ACORN shouldn’t be discussed when the topic is vote fraud because why ????? Head up your ass and back again Sand PUSSY

          • Allan Richardson

            Because ACORN no longer exists!

          • bikejedi

            While they were largely defunded they are still plying their nefarious trade . A lot of the higher ups were re employed in even better paid positions by Obama . A lot of the other ones are in Jail where they belong . They are part of this conversation because people on the left don’t even realize what dirty tricks they were up to .

        • bikejedi

          Even with voter ID nothing will stop people like those from ACORN from trying to defraud an election …

          • Catskinner

            Yeah, they’ll still try, but it will be harder for them to succeed.

        • RobertCHastings

          Really? Please enlighten us with your superior knowledge. Just how would this ruling by the Supreme Court NOT affect a single vote? Perhaps I am missing something, but I fee lit would affect millions of single votes.

          • Catskinner

            It simply doesn’t prevent anyone from voting.

          • RobertCHastings

            Just like prior to 1965 when no one was prevented from voting. Is that what you mean? Should our voting process revert to what it was prior to 1965, then the same things will occur that necessitated the Voting Rights Act in the first place.

      • bikejedi

        Yeah god forbid we should have a fair and verifiable election right ? And all that High unemployment Obama has created sure is helping inflation right ?

        • Sand_Cat

          Wow, your ignorance is truly epic. Couldn’t possibly be a fair and verifiable election, because no one would vote for someone with that skin color, right? And the “high unemployment” you speak of was created by massive and obvious fraud from greedy bankers and other “financial services” people while the regulators – let’s see, that would be YOUR friends – were asleep at the switch (and that’s being charitable), followed by years of obstruction by – let’s see – your friends again.

          • bikejedi

            Wow ad hominum attack ( alinsky playbook ) race card ( Obama Sharpton Jackson ) . Wow real intelligent and tolerant of you . Wow and Bankers chose to write mortgages to people who should never have been given mortgages and one party made them do it ( see Janet Reno who threatened the Banks with fed discrimination law suits if they didn’t do it …sounds like black mail right ) and the Banks are greedy for not wanting to hold bad debt that would ruin their banks ???…gee that’s greedy ..,,,Obstruction …hmmm you mean like BAWNEY FWANK lying to Congress the CBO and several Presidents about the viability of Fannie and Freddie ? Boy you describe yourself …Ignorant and a hating uninformed bottom feeder …

        • elw

          I ditto Sand_Cat. You can have your opinions but you cannot make up your own facts.

          • bikejedi

            I agree Wholeheartedly

      • bikejedi

        I would love to hear any of the left explain how this is going to deter anyone from voting . Of course it is just a Liberal scare tactic and talking point designed to scare the bejesus out of minorities and as such is a divisive race tactic from your side . It does America no service to spread that rhetoric of divisiveness but Liberals just cant stand that they may be wrong or that they may have their ability to rig elections deterred

        • Allan Richardson

          Several reasonable explanations have already been posted, but you apparently have not read any of them.

          The rhetoric of divisiveness? Like saying that poor people without cars who can’t find jobs are “stupid and lazy” and they are all willing to risk PRISON to vote 20 times? After all the poor people GET the new ID’s (assuming there are enough resources to help all of them with the fees, transportation, and in some cases ambulance and nurse standing by while they wait in each government office), THEN the Republicans will say that too many people are voting on drugs, and will require on the spot drug testing before voting (but only where they are “likely” to be using drugs, of course). And of course requiring voters to pay for them in cash.

          Liberals CANNOT rig elections where conservative lawmakers make the election laws, but there are many examples of their people rigging elections by suppressing votes or miscounting them.

          • bikejedi

            Ok first off it is the left that are implying that people of color are less capable then whites of getting a free ID . Don’t put your sides racist and disrespectful views on any Conservative . You say your side battles for equality and then you want special considerations for your voting blocks . We believe all Americans should be treated equal . All the other stuff you put on that post is so much nonsense it isn’t even worth a reply . No one is risking anything by voting ” 20 times ” because in a lot of states there is no voter ID and in the others like Illinois no enforcement . In fact Election judges that make a stink about people coming into the polling places multiple times in the Chi are considered trouble makers and the other judges they are viewed as a problem and ejected from the polling place .

    • JSquercia

      and your PROOF for THAT accusation ???

    • bikejedi

      Chicagoan here in TOTAL AGREEMENT

      • Sand_Cat

        Obviously one speaking from TOTAL IGNORANCE and prejudice.

        • bikejedi

          You describe yourself in your ignorance hate and intolerance . Race card is that all you got ??? Who said anything about race pr prejudice ? Catskinner ( great name when there are sand pussies around ) didn’t say anything about race .

    • RobertCHastings

      Unless you are privy to information NO ONE (including Republicans) in the government has, your claim about individuals casting multiple votes is nothing more than a conservative pipe dream.

    • bikejedi

      Great point

  • elw

    This will be another decision by this very conservative court that will be looked back as damaging to individual Americans rights as Citizens United is. Like Citizen United it will cause another fundamental shift in this Country by giving the 1% more power taken directly from the other 99%. It will now be easier for them to make it harder for you to vote. It goes to show just how much your votes count and just how afraid those in power are of your votes.

    • John

      The biggest damage to the USA ,including terrorism will be the granting of amnesty to 10s of millions of law breaker illegal aliens, It will change this country forever. Letting in uneducated, unvetted illegals who become a further drain on welfare and refuse to melt in or speak our language or follow our customs is a great recipe for disaster. This USA will no longer be great or united.

      • elw

        The very least of our problems right now is immigration. You and people like you do the biggest damage to our Country; You are full of hate, ignorance, and untrue facts. You vote in people who sit up in Congress collecting 6 figure incomes, paid by the tax-payer, and who do noting to move this Country forward. They cannot even pass a immigration bill. They are much more of a drain on our Society than any of those sneaking over the boarder. If this Country is no longer great or united you have no one to blame but yourself, we are what is voted into office

      • 4sanity4all

        John, you are a troll. Illegals do not vote, they are not taking anything away from you, because without social security numbers, they cannot get welfare, scholarships, or even a bank account. You spew hate filled baloney as if it was true- but try to understand this- the lies you say are not true just because you keep repeating them. Go away.

        • Allan Richardson

          And in addition, if illegal aliens DO manage to work under someone else’s SS number, who do you think gets credit for that work on their benefits when they retire? NOT the illegal alien who actually DID the work!

      • bikejedi

        Another great point

  • Pamby50

    I am so sick and tired of people being denied the right to vote. This supreme court needs to stand in line like the rest of the people who had to wait in line for hours. They need to stand in line to get an ID. No not everyone in this country has a picture ID. My 92 year old aunt just died. She didn’t have one. She was in a nursing home. Her mind worked real well. How about our college kids. Not all of them have driver’s licenses. We don’t even want to let them use their college ID card. Then the shameful ones won’t let our vets use their military ID’s. It is time for a constitutional ammendment that allows everyone the right to vote. Then the federal government should run it. They supply the funding for national elections.

    • johninPCFL

      It’s worse than that. You may have to take a trip across country to your place of birth, only to find out that the hospital has gone out of business and you CAN’T get a birth certificate.

      • Lynda Groom

        You are indeed correct. My father was born in coal country outside of Denver. The town of Federick, Colo does not have any record of his or my uncles birth. The coal camps had their own doctors who kept birth and death records in their own book. We’ve never found the name of the doctor so we could go further in trying to obtain such documentation. There are ten of thousand of folks in similar situations.

    • John

      The amendment should have a national US id card. Without it we are letting illegals vote everywhere. No wonder we are giving amnesty to millions of illegal alien law breakers.

      • idamag

        Use your head. Most illegals, here, do not speak English. Do you think they are going to risk being seen by going to the polls? Find something that can be substantiated by reliable sources to harp on.

        • Lynda Groom

          Indeed, but facts don’t matter to some.

        • BDC_57

          its another lie the tea baggers start to scare these people like john and bikejedi.

      • bikejedi

        Great point John but some will refuse to acknowledge the truth

  • Dominick Vila

    This is what happens when Republican presidents are elected, when Republicans control Congress, and when Democrats are so fearful of retaliation that they go along with proposed SC appointments such as Scalia, Alito, Thomas and others.

    • Allan Richardson

      Although I am a Democrat, I can remember when Republicans, even those with whom I disagreed, were known for being honest, principled GROWNUPS. There is not one Republican politician since Ford and Rockefeller that I would trust with my savings as an investment manager. Today the Republicans have become the political equivalent of the Mafia, and their only “principle” is to win elections by any means necessary, even by illegal means until caught, then change the law to make them legal; and their alleged Christian principles do not apply if they can further “Christian” power by violating them (the Ninth Commandment is the first one they violate).

      • John

        I think Democrats have proven they will do anything to get a vote – including letting illegals vote and giving amnesty to 10’s of millions of illegals who have broken our laws.

        • idamag

          ideologues are helping to destroy this democracy.

        • midway54

          And the Republicans and their plutocrat donors will not? In their effort to suppress voting by the commoners, because of the threat to their power and their rightwing political lackeys in office, the Plutocrats have decided that the thing to do is to remove as many voters as possible from the rolls; to change without reasonably prior notice the place to vote on election day itself ; to reduce the number of polling places; and by all means strategically to provide insufficient numbers of voting machines in targeted locations and to choose ancient or worn out machines hopefully to fail on election day.

        • Lynda Groom

          If the bill was passed into law today it would be 2026 before the first new citizen would be allowed to start the process to be allowed to vote. What in the hell are you talking about?

        • Sand_Cat

          And the GOP will do anything – except change any of their irrational and hate-filled policies – to stop someone from voting against them; not just immigrants, but citizens as well.

        • BDC_57

          where is your proof that the democrats are letting illegals vote don’t you have to register vote that means you have to show proof that your were born in the U.S.A.. so quit your lying

      • idamag

        This rancid hatred it the new party – the tea party. I belong to a group of critical thinkers and we were discussing how easy the masses can be misled. One person said, “With all this evidence, why can’t the people see what is happening? I cited the Jews in Europe during the rise of Hitler. Some of them saw it coming and left to kinder countries. Most of them didn’t want to see it until they were on the boxcars headed for the ovens.
        First, you create a common enemy or something to fear. Then you rally those who can be scared or hateful and they get behind you. Reagan made our government a common enemy. Our government is us and it is up to us to protect it and fix it where necessary. The government of the people, by the people and for the people is being taken over by money and power.

        • bikejedi

          Wow it now seems Obama has changed mid stream and reversed himself on the issue of voter ID …Yessirreee He is going to spend 53 Mil of OUR Tax Dollars to support it ..Saying Voter ID is a good thing and necessary for a verifiable election ….IN HIS NATIVE KENYA …Yessireee it is a good thing there necessitating another huge waste of OUR money but here in America ….uh its still Racist ….Oh the sweet Hypocrisy of Obama and the Liberal left …However will you spin that ?????….Hahahahaha you cant make this level of incompetence and utter stupidity up …as well as the Hypocrisy . and you want to hate on the Tea Party when over 70% of Americans think Voter ID is necessary and want it

          • idamag

            Why don’t you run on over to Breitbart, they will reward you for your rancor and if you are dissing the president it will get you a pat on the back.

          • bikejedi

            The people on Breitbart already know about this ..Just thought I would put this on here as we were having a civil discussion of Voter ID and such …I notice you aren’t trying to defend it or spin it so in the future please support Voter ID here in America just like your Preezy does in Kenya …I guess now you guys wont be able to play the race card on that argument will you ? Not with Obama supporting it with OUR Tax Dollars in Kenya ..right …I mean logically if its good for Black people in Kenya to have Voter ID ….and they can implement it there with all that poverty and no one being able to drive to the DMV or to go to Dept of records and get a BC we should be able to do it here right ???

        • bikejedi

          That is one of the most ignorant comments I’ve ever seen posted anywhere …full of hate and intolerance for Law abiding Patriot Americans who only want limited govt lower taxes and adherence to the constitution . Reagan made the Govt the enemy ??? That is hilarious . He shrunk the size of Govt and it paid immediate dividends for all of America …Our Govt is us to some extent the same argument can be made for corporations and companies that employ the majority of Americans …Obama and his Occupy movement have made them the common enemy when they and their employees are the Tax Payers that make every thing else go …But go on hating them evil capitalists ..If you want communism why not move to a communist country and then the Govt will be you ….The only people with rancis hatred are people like you who would compare flag waving law abiding Americans to Nazi’s ….No the comparison more fits people like you who idolize a dictator like a messiah and hate everyone else .

    • JSquercia

      The allowing Sam Alito to become a justice was possibly one of the WORST strategic decisions the Democrats ever made . . I

      I feared this result because now the impediments to voting will be harder to challenge . I fear we will get such issues of standing where the plaintif must prove HE was hurt which of course can only happen AFTER the fact .

      I believe I am NOT mistaken when i say the Shelby Alabama was just prohibited from changing voting requirements thanks to section 4 .How ironic is THAT.

      I think I read that Scalia is quoted as saying there is NOTHING in the Constitution that guarantees a RIGHT to Vote

      • RobertCHastings

        As there is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to even a reasonable expectation of privacy. However, in the case of voting, it is declared as one of the sacred rights in the Declaration and in the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It’s amazing that about the time that the Voting Rights Act was enacted, we were going around and around with South Africa regarding apartheid. South Africa today mourns along with the restof the world for the likely loss of Nelson Mandela? But do WE mourn as a nation for the loss of equality?

        • midway54

          Robert C. Agreed, and at the risk of putting you to sleep, I have some things to say about Scalia’s statement.

          Sure, there is no explicit statement about an absolute right to vote, but consider that the provisions limiting to two years the terms of the members of the House and to six years for members of the Senate and the electoral college provisions for electing the president do not imply voting? All of them aren’t appointed so how else do they gain office? What about the later Constitutional amendment removing the initial appointment of US senators by the state legislatures and subjecting candidates for the US Senate to win over the voters of their respective states? One does not examine the Constitution in the same way one could examine a cake recipe or the components of a machine for details; rather it is replete with deliberately general and open-ended phrases by the framers because the document was one for their own and future generations. Over the years of decision there have resulted doctrines of implied and unenumerated powers derived for example from such terms such as liberty and due process found in the jurisprudence of the 14th amendment. It came to pass that liberty was not confined to imprisonment, but carried other aspects of liberty of the person in choosing marriage, career, parenthood, etc.; and that due process included more than just procedures in a judicial body but that the phrase included a substantive aspect that examined whether the statute enacted by the legislature did in fact invade the fundamental rights of citizens in its proscriptions or in its demands. In other words— perhaps too briefly stated above— constitutional jurisprudence requires more than the short, limited/temporary search for specific, unambiguous language to determine whether the facts of a claim are constitutional.

      • idamag

        Scalia is evil.

    • bikejedi

      As opposed to the LIberal activists that Obama appointed who ONLY vote one way . these activists that Obama appointed would never even thinbk about voting against the Liberal agenda regardless of what the constitution says

      • RobertCHastings

        So you feel that excluding a significant number of voters from this important democratic process is acceptable? How quaint and provincial.

        • bikejedi

          Once again please explain how this ruling takes away anyones ability to vote . Since it doesn’t and you know it would you please stop using that Liberal talking point and scare tactic . It is only designed to get minorities to think that Conservatives or the GOP are trying to take their ability to vote away . It is a patent LIE and you people really shouldn’t be trying to divide the country with divisive rhetoric …But I see where you get that from …I mean it is the tool of the Community Organizer

          • RobertCHastings

            There was a reason that Congress enacted the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and that reason was that blacks in specific areas of the country were being deprived of their right to vote by the white power structure by the use of specious requirements placed upon blacks who wished to vote and NOT placed on those whites who wished to vote. Many blacks in Alabama, Mississippi, etc. were required to take a literacy test, and their passing was not necessarily dependent upon how well they performed. There have been no instances during that period of WHITES being required to take ANY kind of test. There were many other “tests” blacks were required to take which were not expected of whites in the South, and this coupled with intimidation effectively kept blacks from electing their local leaders from the end of Reconstruction until the enactment of the ACT. I hope you were able to follow that rather simplistic explanation of Southern reality.
            While SOME areas in the South have indeed changed, many remain unrepentant. And they have been joined by areas of the country that were not covered by section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, areas of the country that are pushing for the same types of requirements that prevented blacks from voting from the 1880’s until the ACT was enacted. I am sure you find it difficult to believe that your white brethren could be so unchristian as to deprive their fellow men of their basic rights, but that’s just the way it is.

          • bikejedi

            Ok but that goes back to the days when the Dems ruled the South . It also goes all the way back to the days when the Dems wrote the Jim Crow laws to suppress the Black vote . That was Dems not Conservatives so please don’t try to put that on them . Now things have changed and the local election boards have more local control now sooo

          • RobertCHastings

            For the main point, they weren’t DEMOCRATS, they were DIXIECRATS, headed by people like Strom Thurmond and George Wallace, who voted WITH Democrats on many issues, UNTIL they were abandoned by the Democrats over civil rights. If you look at the voting records of those who surrounded Strom Thurmond and supported him in his run for the presidency, they definitely WERE conservatives. Basic political allegiances and values have not changed, just the names. Do try to remember that Lincoln was a Republican, in spite of his liberal social agenda, and the Republicans of the 1860’s became the Democrats of just a generation later. Labels may change, the topography doesn’t, regardless of the era.

          • bikejedi

            I agree with a little of that .. Not the part about Republicans becoming Democrats after the 1860’s …and remember the Dems filibustered the civil rights act trying to stop it . Some of the other stuff we actually agree on

          • RobertCHastings

            I am not trying to get you to agree with me (although it may look that way); but I am trying to get you to look at things differently. Republicans did not become Democrats, the names they used for their parties beliefs changed. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican who proposed and pushed through Congress the 14th Amendment, AFTER issuing the Emancipation Proclamation, neither of which actions would have been countenanced by the Republicans of today. The Republicans of the 1860’s were the social liberals of the day. As the largely historically accurate movie “Lincoln” demonstrates, the Democrats attempted to stop the passage of the 14th Amendment. The “Democrats” of 1965 who filibustered the Civil Rights Act were the Dixiecrats of Strom Thurmond, who at the time proudly strutted his racist sentiments about Washington, DC. Toward the end of his life, however, Thurmond, like George Wallace, repented his moral waywardness and renounced his racism.

          • bikejedi

            While I agree with some of what you say as to the way Party ideology’s have shifted …..Basically it sounds like what you are saying is that Democrats should be given credit for Lincoln era Republicans ..which doesn’t make a lot of sense when you factor in that the Dems wrote and enacted the Jim Crow laws and that Republicans for the most part have a better voting record on civil rights issues all the way up to the Civil rights act . Which the Dems filibustered . When you also factor in that they are protecting the Black Panthers , have race baiting hustlers like Al , Jesse , Farrakhan , and Rev Wright as esteemed party members and had an active member of the KKK as a backed party Sen …its a wonder that they get the Black vote at all ….But the Dems do great PR and have convinced Blacks that they are their party …Even though most Blacks are worse off now in terms of employment and poverty then when Bush was President . Most Blacks have been indoctrinated into the inner city ghettos in Dem cities and they still vote that way even though nothing has changed in those ghettos for the better in decades …It is a wonderful job of fooling them .

          • idamag

            Actually, Republicans were for a strong central government and the Whigs wanted more states rights. Splinter groups emerged and called themselves Democrats. We have seen time and again where states rights failed to protect the people.

          • RobertCHastings

            Between the end of the Revolution and 1791, we lived under a loose confederation made each state basically a separate country, uniting only for the purpose of common defense. By 1791 that was seen to be pretty foolish, for any number of reasons.
            As I am sure you realize, Republicans TODAY are not for a strong central government. Their torch bearer, Grover Norquist, has been quoted as having said, “I want to make the Federal government small enough to fit in my bath tub so I can drown it.” The issue about states’ rights was the basic issue for the Civil War. The South asserted their right to own humans as property.

          • idamag

            They are not and that is why it looks as if the parties reversed themselves. A great many tp anti-government people were elected to office. You can’t be for the Constitution and against the government.

          • RobertCHastings

            You can if you don’t understand. Do you think Michele Bachman understands? I don’t think she or any of the other Tea Party Congressmen understand, wither the Constitution or how this country works, politically, economically, or socially.

          • idamag

            At last, someone who knows what he is talking about. The south was solid Democrat until Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act and they changed as a body.

          • RobertCHastings

            As Republicans would say, they were DINOs (Dems in name only).

          • idamag

            Back during those times, I was taking a political science course in college. Our professor gave all of the us the literacy test and we failed it. I asked how the whites could pass it and not the blacks. He said when he was in the south trying to register voters, they give the whaat people the answers along with the test and they didn’t determine that everyone needed to take the test anyway.

          • RobertCHastings

            You were very fortunate to have had someone who was that familiar with the South during that era. In Selma, Alabama, blacks who made it so far as to pass the literacy test were simply refused from registering. By 1965, fewer than 20 blacks had managed to actually register. Most of those who showed up to register were intimidated, by armed thugs along with police with dogs. If they managed to actually get inside to register, the registrars simply closed the place down. In Selma and other places, registrars could pretty much set their own hours and days. When outside “agitators” arrived to register them, it was not an easy life for anyone of color or anyone with out-of-state licenses.

      • idamag

        ideologues are destroying this democracy.

        • bikejedi

          Agreed and the divisive rhetoric and scare tactics of one side aren’t helping

          • old_blu

            You must mean scare tactics like they’re coming after our guns, they’re letting illegals vote, they’re letting dead people vote, they’re voting twice, those are the scare tactics you’re talking about. Right? Of course those are not from the side you are trying to condemn here. Huh? They’re are from the other side speaking of trying to “divide a country”. *ROLLS EYES*

          • bikejedi

            Well believe what you want . Anyone with common sense can see that is what is going on . I personally know 3 Illegal Aliens who voted . In Chicago dead people are not taken off the rolls for a reason and the recent attempts by the left to take away 2nd amendment rights are a matter of record …What part of wont be infringed upon don’t you understand ? Rolls eyes indeed

          • old_blu

            You know if you have to lie for your stance, maybe you should rethink your stance.

          • bikejedi

            Everything I said was factual ..”.rolls eyes “again and laughs real hard …the problem is that you know that’s what goes on too …stern” knowing” look with grin

          • idamag

            No it is not. If you knew three illegals who voted, you would have had it out there with names, dates and places. You are just hoping there are illegals voting.

          • bikejedi

            Irene Hernandez 2751 N Spaulding Chgo Ill SEC 8 building .. Aida Sanchez works at the McDonalds and lives at Spaulding and Shubert in Chicago …Roberto Aguilera 2300 Block of Kimball all voted in the last Preezy election . These are three that I know personally

          • old_blu

            Hey I know those people and they all wasted a vote on Rubme. (just like you did)
            See how easy it is to make this shit up.
            LIAR, LIAR.

          • bikejedi

            Liar you don’t even live in Chicago . go hang with Fern you too are on the same moronic train . Bye Bye

          • old_blu

            Hey Ms. LIAR you’re back, good. I’m trying to figure out why you haven’t answered the first question I answered to you on the very first post, remember way back (you’ll have to focus) you may even have to have someone read it for you, (ask your Mom) and I quote AGAIN. “”I mean I can point to the vote fraud the left did in Ohio and Fla where there was over 100% turnout and in the 59 Philly precincts where there was not a single Romney vote”” Now that’s what you said that was what we were talking about and I sent you two links that proved that to be a LIE. I see now you’re trying to divert on to a different subject and tossing out insults about me and my family, typical Regutitator when you’ve lost an argument you spin it up somewhere else. To answer your question though. Why would I give two shits what goes on in Kenya? I am American.
            I hate to go down to your level, but you are the densest girl I’ve ever talked to.

          • idamag

            You are a liar and if what I am doing works, you better lay low.

          • bikejedi

            Sounds like a threat …Really ??

          • idamag

            Okay, now that I have names and addresses I can go to work. BTW, if you used these people’s names and they exist and they had the right to vote, Your IP address can pinpoint who and where you are and I will encourage them to file suit.

          • bikejedi

            Cool …Looking forward to it . Let me see if I can have Aida call you …I don’t know if she will want to as She is here ILLEGALLY

          • idamag

            You know what? I think you are a liar.

    • Fern Woodfork

      We The People Should Have Known This Was Coming!! They Are Attacking Us From All Sides And What Make People Think That They Wouldn’t Use The Majority Racist Supreme Court As One Of Their Weapons!! Duh The Time Is NOW For People To Get Whatever You Need In Order To Vote !! Reach Out For Help In Order To Get It Done!!

      • idamag

        You said it, my friend, the more they try to interfere with a person’s right to vote, the more determined that person should become.

      • BDC_57

        you got that right my friend everybody needs to get out and vote in 2014 and get the lying assholes out of congress

  • Allan Richardson

    This could backfire even on CONSERVATIVE rank and file voters. The ultimate plan is to restrict voting to land owners with a high minimum net worth in investments. Yes, that HAS been mentioned in some states; and since most middle class voters only own their homes (only the wealthier ones own vacation homes, business venues, or investment land), a bank could DENY YOUR VOTE by foreclosing, even though you are not behind on your payments (they are already doing this for other reasons).

    This new James Crow Jr. is not specifically about race, but it does take advantage of racial fears on the part of white voters to get their support, by promulgating the big LIE that minority group members are, by definition, criminals, welfare cheats, and “takers” who ought not be allowed to vote; but since the Constitution does not allow us to take their votes away outright, we can use tricks to make sure their votes do not get cast, and if cast, do not count. Here are some of these tricks:

    Citing phony accusations of “voter fraud” (AS IF the most efficient way to rig elections is to PHYSICALLY have thousands of bodies “bused” to the polls to cast ONE illegal vote each, at the risk of being sent to prison for that one vote? really?), they are requiring new forms of ID, even CHANGING the requirements from one election to the next, to penalize the following groups of LEGAL voters.
    (1) those who do not drive and thus do not have a driver’s license, and only make enough to spend cash and thus do not have a non-driving photo ID

    (2) those who live in nursing homes or senior centers and do not have the means to get transported to the appropriate agencies to get their ID (while wealthy conservative churches MAKE SURE the agencies send people to high end nursing homes with conservative residents)
    (3) those who were born at home and the state never registered their births, even though they have been voting in elections for decades
    (4) those who had birth certificates that have been lost, but the records were lost in courthouse fires many years ago, even though they have been voting for decades
    (5) students who come from out of state parental homes and cannot obtain any photo ID in the college’s state except college ID cards, which are no longer valid
    (6) people who have to make multiple trips to multiple agencies to get the new ID, but as invalids, cannot make those trips without being accompanied by nursing attendants, and do not have the funds to pay for such transportation (and how many state agencies would allow the “disruption” of having a nursing attendant accompany the applicant?)

    (7) registered voters who live in precincts that are heavily minority populated, when conservative elections officials provide as little as one tenth the resources for voting per capita as the heavily conservative precincts, resulting in long lines
    (8) registered voters who have to work long hours on election day, after states take away weekend days for early voting or restrict the booths, locations or hours for early voting, resulting in long lines and thus in lost votes

    (9) registered voters who (usually for economic reasons) were forced to move, even within the same precinct, during the window between end of registration and election day, and thus were unable to get the address on their registration changed, and on arrival at their new precinct, have to cast “provisional” ballots even WITH proof of their new addresses
    (10) other possible circumstances besides those listed here, all of which occurred in the last election (or were stopped from occurring only by the DOJ, explaining the REAL reason Tea Party Congresspeople hate Eric Holder)

    All voters who believe in FAIR elections, even those who, being CONSERVATIVES, are part of the demographic that the conservative politicians trust enough to have gerrymandered them INTO their districts, should make a point, even if JUST THIS NEXT ELECTION, to vote for liberal candidates just to get the incumbent conservative crooks out!

    To paraphrase a well known World War II quotation, if you do not object when they come to take your brother’s or sister’s vote, there will be no one to object when they come to take yours.

    • RobertCHastings

      Originally, the right to vote was restricted to only whites of a certain age who owned property. Artisans and craftsmen who aided in the prosecution of the Revolution insisted upon their right to vote. Look at the signers of the Declaration. ALL are white men who owned property, NONE were MERE workmen.

      • Allan Richardson

        And that’s the way the “ruling class” wants it to be again!

  • 2real

    the real thing that must be looked at is not always what they are doing but what are they going to do??? What are they up to? They change and amend now so that later when the real change of agenda is put forth that it meets little to no resistance.

    • RobertCHastings

      Sounds strangely like the agenda being pursued by the NRA. For about a dozen years, with the assistance of ALEC, the NRA has convinced conservative law makers to enact looser and looser gun restrictions so that when it came time to renew the assault weapons ban, it was easily defeated, when it became feasible for the NRA to push local officials into pursuing laxer gun control (such as permitting concealed carry in public places) there was very little resistance.

  • bikejedi

    What every liberal that is mad about this will not acknowledge is that this will result in far fairer elections if Voter ID is the result . We need IDs for a common purchase at a store but not for our most sacred right . Vote fraud was rampant in the last election as the Dems employed many of the old ACORN strategies . America deserves a fair election . Not the nonsense we had last go around

    • Catskinner

      Very well stated, bikejedi…

    • RobertCHastings

      Voter fraud WAS NOT rampant in the last election, except maybe somewhere in the nether regions of your imagination. Maybe Glen Beck and Ann Coulter have convinced you otherwise, but in reality it just did not happen.

      • bikejedi

        The nether regions of my imagination would be the counties in Ohio and Fla ( two swing states ) with over 100% turnout ( and yes I know about the two page ballot ) and the 59 precincts in Philly without a single Romney vote . We don’t know how many people voted multiple times in places with no voter Id or how many dead or pet voters there were but as I live in Chicago and know two election judges I know it was rampant here …Gee I have such a vivid imagination I just had to rely on fact …In any event it is a good thing for the left that your media buries these stories or even you would know ..It doesn’t mean you would believe but yopu would know …..and other less brainwashed and indoctrinated people would too . They would want answers

        • RobertCHastings

          Facts that I am sure could be verified if they are indeed the truth and not the product of your vivid imagination. As most of the rest of us do NOT live in or near Chicago, we are unable to speak to the truth of your assertions, especially since your accusations are not a part of the public record.

          • bikejedi

            Well on the Chicago part you are right . With the decades long reputation Chicago has for that you should be able to at least deduce that I am telling the truth . I mean common sense would tell most people that Im not lying …I mean Chicago and the DEMs here proudly tout such sayings as.. Vote early vote often …Election day ..the day you get to see your dead relatives …Election day when there is no more room in hell the dead will walk the earth and vote DEM …Election day free treats for your pets …These are well know sayings in Chicago and while comical they say all good humor has to have some basis in truth .

          • RobertCHastings

            If you were not so rigidly provincial, you would realize that those things are said all around the country, about both parties.

    • Lynda Groom

      Utter nonsense friend. Rampant voter fraud is a fantasy. Check the facts for they are easily found.

      • bikejedi

        I did …and that is what the facts say . I also know two people who work polls in Chicago as election judges . they have for every election on the last ten years . What they report is beyond felonious and one was ejected for speaking out about the same person coming into vote 4 times ..The Dem supervisor didn’t like her speaking out about it and she is a gay woman Obama supporter . You can factor in all of the ACORN members in jail and the shenanigans in 59 Philly Precincts

  • Angel Perea

    THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: According to the Ideological Activists
    Roberts Court, this landmark law has been historically so successful it is now
    obsolete! These five now has essentially stated that they think that they can
    make laws for the Congress! Roberts says the country has changed on
    discrimination issues! Yes, Judge, it has changed! There were more attempts not
    less to block Americans from voting during the last Presidential election! So
    where was this gang of five during the last election? They apparently think
    they can ignore the documented national shameless, increasing attempts. Rightwing
    politician’s increased voter suppression activities to limit voting access to
    affect election results. In Red states (the new Confederacy), they passed
    increasing restrictive voter ID laws, cutting back early-voting hours, and
    eliminating same-day voter registration to create significant waiting lines for
    many hours on voting day to discourage Americans from voting! I find it absolutely, amazing and irresponsible
    that Clarence “Mr. Oreo” Thomas opinion is a disgrace to Black America! So
    the majority on
    the Court should have not only validated Section 4b of the act, but expanded
    the set formula to include all states (such as Ohio, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin,
    Pennsylvania) to be covered by Section 5 that was based on current as well as historic
    patterns of discrimination against minority and older citizen voters. What is
    our advance civilization becoming?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/voting-rights-act-supreme-court_n_3429810.html?ref=topbar

    • RobertCHastings

      The recourse is for the Democrats to do something legislatively to either expand section 5 (preclearance) to include ALL voting jurisdictions, or to push for a Constitutional Amendment that clearly delineates the right to vote.

      • idamag

        After what Ohio tried, I would like to see Universal voting rights enacted.

      • Allan Richardson

        I have posted a petition on the White House petition site, in which I pointed out that the White House COULD take the petition that, by striking down the FORMULA but not the preclearance ITSELF, they have inadvertently MADE the preclearance apply to ALL jurisdictions, and until Congress passes a new formula agreeable to all, or another case gets to the Supremes, the administration could ASSUME this to be the case and at least attempt to apply preclearance to the whole nation.

        If you agree that this decision was bad, go sign my petition. I feel that if the White House does this, the first court challenge will not get to the Court until 2017, while even the Tea Party in Congress will be under pressure to get out a new map formula (which Democrats will have to vote for in the Senate) in time for the 2014 elections.

        The Amendment route could be pursued in parallel, of course.

        • RobertCHastings

          Excellent idea, and the more of us on this site who sign your petition, the better chance it has of being looked at and considered.

          • Allan Richardson

            Everybody, read my post above again. I added the website URL and the search term.

  • RobertCHastings

    The only legislative cure for this is to expand the requirement for pre-approval to include ALL voting jurisdictions. While this ruling gives places like North Carolina (about 1/3 of which was included in the pre-clearance requirement), it allows to stand the intentional suppression of minority voters in jurisdictions that were NOT originally covered, as seen in the spate of laws requiring photo ID to vote. As Thomas, Alito, Scalia, Roberts and, surprisingly, Kennedy demonstrate, racism is still alive and well in America.

    • idamag

      If those racists were really worried about voter fraud, they would be asking that all voters be vetted now instead of the month before the election. I don’t see how people can vote more than once. When I go in to vote, the woman looks up my name in her book and issues me a ballot. I go into a booth, mark it, and return it to the woman as the other end of the table. That woman marks it in another book and states that I have voted and the first woman marks that column in her book. It would be hard for me to vote twice.

  • TZToronto

    Fourteenth Amendment
    “Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States,
    and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
    States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or
    enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of
    citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of
    life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
    person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

    It looks to me that the Supreme Court is attempting to render the 14th amendment null and void. Since all persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens, and since all have their privileges and immunities protected by both the United States and the individual states, striking down Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act says that equal protection, guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, is no longer the law of the land. States are free to institute any form of restrictions on voting, as long as they apply to everyone, even if some people are, by default, denied their various privileges and immunities. These restrictions will inevitably make it difficult for many black, Hispanic, and poor white people to fulfill the requirements for voting. Red states will continue to gerrymander to the point where a few white people will elect as many Representatives as a large number of minority people (if they are actually allowed to vote). And Congress, in its present state, is powerless to change this. The five who voted against Section 4 should be ashamed to show their faces in public.

  • Larry D. Jones Sr.

    The ones Responsible for passing this Stupid Ass Asinine action should be Fired! this is what happens when you put fools on the bench! now every Racist Redneck will think they will a license do anything they wish* to Oppress My people! well think agin ! too many people have MARCHED and DIED to get those Rights* and to have some Senile old ass white boys and 1 Boot Licking Uncle Tom House Negro [Clarence Thomas] in black robes Erase all what my people Struggled and DIED! for is Bull Sh-t ! this isnt over by a Long shot! and before they try to return Amerikkka back to the Bad Old days of White Supremacy where Black people where Oppessed to the point where they had little or no Rights and at the Back of Everything! think agin because you got another thing Coming! because before that happens AmeriKKKa will be in Flames!and nobody will gain any thing! I am not suprised that The Sell Out* Uncle thomas went with the crowd* because he is filled with so Much Self hatered that he forgot that if it wasnt for those Voting Rights Bills signed by a white man President Lyndon Banes Johnson his Black ass wouldnt be where he is NOW! I think he has a Mental problem and he dont know who he is! that* Boy is a First Class Fool to think that he has lived the AmeriKKKan dream at the Exspense of all of the othes who MARCHED and DIED so he can get up there as a Supreme Court Justice just to F-ck over the nation I hope President Obama before he leaves office put some Sensible people in the Supreme Court to Counter act the Fools thats in there now because the ones that are there now are going to have this Country in Flames! in fact the Supreme Court has never been a friend* of African Americans Any way! even after the So called Emancipation Proclaimation was signed*because after that my people suffered for another 150 years of Jim Crow* through Death , Destruction and Descrimination*makes me think that this Country was founded by Criminals and ranned by Criminals and now in 2013 to have some Senile Old ass White boys in Black robes to try wreck Our Future! we aint giving up and this Aint Over! and you aint turning back the Clock we will Break it First! Rednecks Beware!.

    • idamag

      Those words uttered by Paula Deen shows the South has to be legislated to be fair to minority races.

      • Allan Richardson

        Sounds more like the words Paula Deen or some other Southerner would have provoked when she called someone a N— at the door of the polling place.

        Actually, Mrs. Deen seems to have changed over the years, as George Wallace did before his death, so I would give her a LITTLE slack on this. But there are many more who have NOT evolved.

  • Bob Williams

    Apparently some folks think that blacks and other minorities are just not smart enough to carry proper identification with them when they go to vote. These same voters probably drove to the polling place without a driver’s license – otherwise they would have proper ID with them when they showed up.

    When I was a teenager, I tried to convince more than one barkeeper that I was of legal age, but that I had misplaced my driver’s license. They didn’t buy it, and I don’t buy the fact that blacks and other minorities aren’t smart enough to carry proper identification. Of course, once they start doing that, the Liberals will have a more difficult time keeping them on the plantation.

    • Allan Richardson

      How many times do you have to be told, it is NOT being smart enough to carry a license, it is having the resources to get to the various offices to GET an ID on a limited income, and for some, dealing with poor health as well.

  • rkief

    With apologies to Shakespeare, “methinks Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia protests too much,” blaming Congress for “not reflecting on current necessities,” in its allowing the Voting Rights Act to continue. Of course, the corporate lawyers of the Supreme Court weren’t having any of this.

    Is it not the supremely arrogant judge, who is guilty of of being ignorant of (or denies,) what’s going on? The VRA has done ( and is doing) exactly what it was supposed to do – making voting more accessible to the disenfranchised – which, of course, is exactly what the Republican sugar-daddies of our representative plutocracy do not want to see.

    If a traffic light results in significantly fewer accidents at a dangerous intersection, it would be insane to remove it – being deemed no longer necessary – because the accident rate had gone down. This is the logic used against the VRA by its opponents.