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Sunday, December 10, 2017

The alt-right, the fringe sect of conservatism that is marked by white nationalist allegiances, is struggling to make sense of the debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump last night. Despite attempts to shill for Trump, as usual, many in the alt-right are finding it difficult to reasonably deny that Clinton won, in every sense of the word.

Stormfront, the site founded by a Ku Klux Klan leader and seen as a premier website for alt-right neo-Nazis, had several posts from readers indicating their view that Hillary won the debate. Deadspin rounded up some of these posts, and they include at least one person saying, “I’m a hard core  [sic] Trump supporter – and was from the very beginning – but Hillary mopped the floor with Trump tonight.” Another added, “sorry but he got crushed tonight.”

Meanwhile Breitbart News, the Trump sock-puppet nationalist site run by Stephen Bannon, is pushing the idea that Trump won, and hard, but is flailing. The Breitbart front page is running headlines like “+5% Say Hilary Won – But Trump Picks Up Undecideds” and “Hillary’s Name Misspelled On The Debate Ticket.” Clinton’s name being misspelled, then, is clearly big news for the alt-right fan site.

Pat Caddell, of Fox News, however, spoke to Breitbart and said in a flash poll taken just after the debate, 48 percent said Clinton did better, compared to just 43 percent for Trump.

Prior to the debate, alt-right personality Milo Yiannopolous guessed that the media “will paint [Hillary] as a victim.” His prediction didn’t hold, however, as the consensus was widely that Clinton won the debate.

Even more traditional conservatives believe Clinton won the debate. Frank Luntz, conservative political commentator, asked a focus group consisting of undecided voters about the results of the debate and was told, among other things, when Trump was defending himself he came off like a “disaster” and that he “responded horribly” to Clinton baiting him. Focus group participants also felt, overwhelmingly, that Clinton won the debate, that Trump didn’t have “solutions” and was “frankly rude to Lester Holt.”

Trump supporter and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, for his part, said Trump should skip the next debate if he’s going to continue to be fact-checked. Because, of course, the American people shouldn’t expect a presidential candidate to tell the truth or humbly accept when his lies are called out.

Photo: Republican U.S. presidential nominee Donald Trump listens during the first debate with Democratic U.S. presidential nominee Hillary Clinton at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, U.S., September 26, 2016.   REUTERS/Brian Snyder

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83 Responses to The Alt-Right Tries To Spin Trump Debate Performance And Fails

  1. It just goes to show that even the alt-right can’t agree on everything. Those of them that are unwilling to admit Trump lost the first debate can be very proud of their “Boy Wonder”. They had no expectations of him and as such got nothing.

    • Its not about admitting anything, your comment is useless. Dont you think the dies were cast before the debate? Sure they were, nobody won or lost anything. A better question is, who will get Johnsons voters? Who will get a key state?

  2. Expect Trump to declare that the “Debates are Rigged!!!” and refuse to attend any of the others because he’s too busy abusing women, selling hotels, pretending the birther movement wasn’t his, and stopping himself saying really bad things about Hillary’s family…

  3. Just heard on NPR earlier this evening that Donny boy was whining on FOX earlier in the day that his problem at the Debate was due to a faulty microphone. The average wimp wouldn’t dare go down that pathetic path, but Lord Fauntleroy has no sense of shame.
    I’m thoroughly amused by that, and it proves the level of immaturity of Donald.

    A bad mike—Indeed!

      • You act like there’s some stability or consistency in Trumpville. Holt was fair, until he wasn’t. Nothing exists beyond the moment. Expect nothing more. It’s like 1984. There is no past, there is no history, there is just now.

        My favorite moment was Trump asking why no one was fact checking him with Sean Hannity.

      • Trump has a very poor memory. Those surrounding him prepared him for the debate. He couldn’t remember what he was told to say during the debate. He then switched to his daily stumping speeches while debating. The man is embarrassing himself.

        • Actually, he didn’t do much preparation and that was the problem. He had several of his people ready to work with him, but he chose to keep campaigning rather than doing the prep work! He was thoroughly unprepared!! Hillary, on the other hand, was totally ready!!!

        • He never does, and since he never gets sick, his sniffles during the debate were, obviously, caused by a bad mic or whatever…

          • So he says…..I was just waiting for Hillary to ask him if he needed a Kleenex or something!!! She was being very gracious by not mentioning it, but the sniffles were very loud and distinct!!!

    • As a competitive runner, I can tell you that was what we call a “loser’s limp”. When a guy cannot keep up with the pack and sees he has no chance he develops a “limp” to blame.

    • That mike was good enough to pick up every one of his sniffs and broadcast it to the 84 million viewers! Thought I would lose my mind with his constant sniffing.

      • I was waiting for Hillary to ask him if he needed a Kleenex or if he was sick and needed to stop and rest!!! She missed a perfect opportunity there!

        • Sniffing, rasping, snorting..I hear cocaine which is often cut with laundry detergent, can cause a lot of that. Also will account for that coming out the gate at 90 miles an hour the first few minutes. Only to disintegrate into a monkey faced blob of incoherent rants, and remarkable jaw dropping admissions on the back end as the drug quickly wears off. That’s our boy!

          • No, that’s his usual performance…..he starts out fairly well and once his buttons are pushed (and Hillary is VERY good at this), he goes off on his tangent and forgets everything he’s been told to say and not say! He just keeps shooting himself in the foot!

    • According to the newspapers, both candidates came to the stage before the debate to make sure their microphones were situated correctly for them. I sincerely doubt someone sabotaged Trump’s from that time until he took the stage. I didn’t notice that he was having ANY problems with his microphone, but he did need a Kleenex for all the sniffling and snorting!

    • Actually, the mike was faulty, at least from his perspective. It was faulty because it passed on exactly what he said and the tone of voice he used to say it, instead of filtering it out so that it might sound half-way reasonable.

    • Per a recent poll Trump lies one out of 3 times he opens his mouth. Really? You speak of emails but why aren’t you ranting about the 22 million deleted by Bush through congressional GOP servers. Information covering WMDS and the Iraqi war. Over 4 k died and counting.

  4. Judging by the comments made by the far right folks that post in this forum, friends and neighbors, and the large crowd that attended Trump’s rallies in Florida yesterday, including people waiting in long lines to buy Trump memorabilia in nearby kiosks, I think it is fair to say that his poor performance during the first debate did not affect the support he enjoys. I doubt it helped him gain more support, but it definitely did not change the minds of his supporters, who remain as loyal to him as ever.
    The real question is whether or not Hillary gained ground in battleground states, and in blue states like Pennsylvania and Colorado, where she had been steadily losing ground.
    With early voting around the corner, there is no time to waste. She, and her surrogates, have to step up the pace to energize Democrats and bring people to the polls, the way Trump, Giuliani, and others have been doing so effectively.

    • But cant the same be said about Hillary supporters? No debate or emails or allegations will change their minds. This means you missed the greater point. Both sides are hanging onto their man, which leaves Johnsons supporters up for grabs. Sooner or later he has to make a deal with either side and I will suppose Hillary will pay bigger for his people and that creates the victory.

      • Those who have already made up their minds will, indeed, vote for whomever they believe is best qualified to be President. The question is how many new converts they each made as a result of their respective performances during the debate.
        Although Hillary is likely to benefit the most from the debate, I doubt there will be a significant shift in either direction.

      • ” Both sides are hanging onto their man” I think that is accurate but as you said Hillary faces “allegations”. That is also true of Trump but it is his own words that sink him. He is so arrogant he will lie about things he said that are very easily verified, like his early support for invading Iraq and his belief that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese, not a very smart man despite his near constant claims about his superior intelligence.

      • No it isn’t the same. It is like comparing members of Mensa(Hillary camp) to members of the Dunce corporation(Trump). I still cannot get why millennials want either of them. They both come off as ding bats to me. Gary, Sponge Bob’s pet is worse than Trump. Jill is a closet psycho!!

    • I think it’s fair to say that his followers are like religious fanatics and continue to believe regardless of facts. They honestly believe that ignorance is a virtue.

  5. It is a humiliation for our nation on the global stage to have the likes of Donald Trump as a candidate for the Presidency. The Republican Party will not survive this debacle.

    • Well 31 states have Republican governors and 23 of those states have Republican legislators. And looks like they might hold the house and maybe the senate too. I’m sad to say they will survive because they are much better at beating Democrats by stealth than the Democrats have ever been. I predict our two major parties are going to be locked in warfare for eternity and life in America will get worse and more worse for Americans until we are all slaves to the Chinese

    • My daughter has an extensive friends bunch around the world. From Scandinavia to France, Great Britain, etc. and they are laughing their behinds off at ignorant Americans. they were all over twitter and FB.

      • Definitely, this country is an embarrassment for allowing such an idiot to run for the highest position in the land! I don’t blame them for laughing at the ignorant Americans…..we can only hope that the intelligent ones will override the ignorant ones and vote for Hillary!!!

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  7. When will the MSM learn that they can’t destroy what they didn’t create? They keep trying to paint Trump as a loser and independents see that as a sign that he’s got to be right if they’re so much against him. Trump made the comment, months ago, his popularity was so strong that he could shoot someone and not get charged (similar to HilLIARy telling lies and not getting charged). Well, he has proven that to be true. Now there are photos showing that HilLIARy was wearing an earpiece, which is against the rules. This will not help her image of being dishonest.
    The early post-debate polls show that Trump’s numbers are up and HilLIARy’s are still dropping, and those numbers are from blue or swing states! Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and the list goes on.
    The MSM are baffled and don’t know what to do. Oh MY!

    • Don’t need you dumb video. Probably someone else’s ear. I watched it and saw nothing and she showed all sides, when HE didn’t. He just either looked down or at the audience. what was in his left ear?? what ever it was, he sure didn’t heed them. Mayor, go to hell you ceased to be relevant years ago. as for the polls, this morning showed differently. Can’t wait for the next one. Will he show up? PERIOD!!!

      • No, the polls taken after the debate show HilLIARy losing points. The MSM is in panic mode so they contrived results talking only to DEMs who watched the debate. Of course HilLIARy chose Monday night as the night for the debate (just as she chose Saturday for the DNC debates) because she knows fewer viewers because of conflicting shows. Here is the device, clearly visible in HilLIARy’s ear. No touched up photos. Knowing HilLIARy, she’ll EVENTUALLY respond that it was ear wax!
        http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/was-hillary-wired-for-trump-debate/
        Ask yourself this question: If HilLIARy did so good in the debate, then why are her advisers in panic mode. They pulled out of Ohio and Florida is next.

          • Three posts, each as worthless as one before. Thanks for admitting that you ONLY read left-biased news sources. And you wonder why social-psychologists have labeled your crowd as low information. You just keep proving they’re correct.
            That’s probably why you immediately start with name calling, which is a clear sign that you are losing the argument. In each of the forums you have tangled with me, you have lost and big time. Why? Because you produce no facts and vent and display your lack of knowledge. From my side, you get facts (the thing that liberals fear most).. If you wish to upset a conservative, tell them a lie. If you wish to upset a liberal, tell them the truth. Truer words have never been written.

          • It’s astonishing that you both think I care what your neo-Nazi opinion is, and that feeble insults will somehow make you not a pathetic joke. Where do you people get these muddle-headed opinions?

          • You come up with zilch for support while I provide links that support my words. Because you’re so low information that you don’t even read opposing links, you are destined to lose every encounter. If HilLIARy did so great, then why did she just pull out of Ohio, a state she held a double-digit lead after the DNC. Dominick, who lives in Florida, bemoans his state is getting redder and redder. Michigan, who hasn’t gone red since 1992, is now red (by a slim margin, but still it’s red).
            You’re low information crowd is in panic mode. I’ve told you before that the MSM can’t destroy what they didn’t create. They created Bill & HilLIARy, but they didn’t create President Trump. They are beside themselves because the don’t understand that the public wants REAL change, not the garbage Obama foisted on them for 8 years. So continue your name calling, it only shows how desperate and how big your side is losing.

          • You LITERALLY claimed that all polls but the ones you like are somehow rigged. The stench of desperation off you is amazing. Your candidate is a loser, he’s behind in the polls (as he always has been), and he lost the debate so badly that he cancelled his after-party and blamed a broken microphone. In short, this is delicious and the memory of your manbaby tears will nourish me for years.

          • You, like HilLIARy’s team, are in panic mode! HilLIARy’s health is so bad that the DNC are conducting meetings to select her replacement.

          • How does that new (and deeply stupid) conspiracy theory prove the absolutely ridiculous claims you made about polls?

          • Oh, I left out the part where he claimed to be ahead in a poll that does not exist (but which you seem to believe in also).

    • Which “early post-debate polls” are you talking about? There are no reputable polls that show that. Of course, you’re completely delusional and hate America, so…

      • Now the MSM is claiming that the post-debate polls were rigged. You are such a moron for believing their lies. The evident that they manipulated and had already decided to publish that HilLIAry had won is coming out. Now there are photos that HilLIARy wore an earpiece and was getting information from others during the debate. This will end up hurting HilLIARy’s honesty numbers, which are worse than President Trump’s.
        http://totalconservative.com/actually-won-debate/

        • OK sorry you can’t back up your bizarre claims with facts; abuse is not a substitute. Better luck next white supremacy candidate!

        • Also the “MSM” isn’t claiming that, it’s people with actual evidence that it is so. I mean, I get that you are desperate, but maybe read the article next time?

    • The funniest part of your entire post is you have named yourself “informed voter”. I had to stop laughing after reading what you wrote and seeing your online name. First no polls show him winning. NO POLLS. They were on line surveys at right wing sights where you can vote as many times as you want. The only actual pools had her winning by double digits. On top of that seriously are we going down the ear piece rat hole again. Blew up the last time and again this time. They have not pulled out of any of the states you mentioned just don’t even know where you got that one. And look without a single poll if you watched the same debate the rest of us did, you have to understand he lost in a major way. Just own it. Quit being so Trumpian and blaming anything and anyone you can think of when your candidate is a disaster. And if by rigged you meant hey explained they were not polls but surveys where anyone can vote multiple times, the MSN did report. No one however used the word rigged that one is reserved for you guys.

      • Meaningless drivel on your part. HilLIARy’s camp is in panic mode, as is the DNC. The DNC are conducting meetings to select a successor for HilLIARy. HilLIARy’s is unfit both mentally and physically.

  8. At least Trump won the CBS Poll as he proudly told those at his rallies as well as anyone else who would listen. Why would they think Trump was lying to them? Who knew there wasn’t any CBS Poll.

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