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Saturday, March 23, 2019

Zimmerman OJ

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25 responses to “American Justice”

  1. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

    If the prosecution hadn’t shot for the stars with their Murder 2 fiasco of a prosecution, they could have presented a credible case for Manslaughter. Unfortunately, the evidence and testimony presented showed a prosecutor’s office seriously in need of a reality check.
    A Manslaughter prosecution would have been a slam-dunk. Now, the best anyone can hope for is a Wrongful Death civil suit.

    • Allan Richardson says:

      They didn’t really WANT to prosecute, just as the police really did not WANT to arrest, and so failed to preserve evidence properly. To me, the fact that GZ took his time calling 911 AFTER the shooting, asked ONLY for police, not for paramedics, and made NO attempt to help save him (which may or may not have worked, but there was no attempt) while waiting for police, shows that he was not unhappy that he had just killed someone. Maybe he thought the police would give him a medal for shooting the serial burglar? Maybe they wanted to, but when they found out TM was unarmed, and had no connection to the recent burglaries, they just wanted to forget it ever happened.

      In the old days, if a Southern sheriff dragged the drowned body of a black man out of the water, weighted down with chains, they commonly said it served him right to “steal” more chain than he could swim with. That is the attitude which still prevails, and is even returning now, as if to vicariously punish the voters who elected a black President by cracking down on other black people.

      • RobertCHastings says:

        Thank you, Allan. Eloquently stated.

      • sigrid28 says:

        Very well said, Allan. Florida got the justice that it wanted–and that it deserved. No justice was desired in this case, and no justice was achieved–just the status quo. Now a juror who has made a book deal two days after the trial (how did she do that and still follow jury instructions to the letter?), who is married to a lawyer (how did he NOT know the lawyers trying this case?), and who seems very smug about deciding Trayvon Martin was guilty right from the beginning is confirming the suspicion many of us had when the jury had no black members and when the trial was held in Seminole County, where race relations were and are deplorable. How many more of these miscarriages of justice must occur before the Civil Rights Movement of the twenty-first century gets underway? It will be a struggle with 99% of the nation struggling in a weak economy. All of us who cannot find work now have something to do–work for social justice.

    • RobertCHastings says:

      There are still further criminal charges, including felonious assault on a minor, if the State of Florida has the balls to pursue them.

  2. ObozoMustGo says:

    And now…. The REAL Cartoon Of The Day!

    Have a nice day!

    “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” – Booker T. Washington

    • tobyspeeks says:

      OMG, you realize Booker was speaking of people like you, right? You’re such a tool.

      • ObozoMustGo says:

        You actually ARE that stupid, arnen’t you? You cannot read plain English and understand what it says? Read that quote again, and think of race hustlers like Not So Sharpton or Jackson, both of whom get rich by perpetuating racism.

        I think that chip on your shoulder is so big that it’s getting in the way of your eyes.

        Have a nice day!

        “Everybody has asked the question. . .”What shall we do with the Negro?” I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature’s plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!” — Frederick Douglass

        • Allan Richardson says:

          Too bad Douglass did not foresee the many subtle ways that black people could be held back without OPENLY saying it was because of race. He would also have said not to SHOOT THEM and claim they attacked you.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Allan… how did you get access to evidence and information that the jury did not get? And I suppose only those with a racial chip on their shoulder are sensitive enough to see the most subtle and discreet ways in which racism is still alive and well. It’s funny how this issue has exposed so many of you for having that racial chip on your shoulders. The fact that you see everything through skin color, paradoxically, makes you a racist. No wonder you see everything the way you do. It must suck going through life seeing yourself as a victim.

            See my other posts on this topic. You’ll see that perhaps you have prejudged me.

            Have a nice day, Allan!

            “I am a Republican, a black, dyed-in-the-wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress.” – Frederick Douglas

          • metrognome3830 says:

            I know you will most likely deny it, but the Republican party of Douglas’s time was a much different Republican party than we have today. I can only assume, of course, but I dare speculate that Douglas would NOT be a Republican today. Nor perhaps would he be a Democrat. He might be an Independent.
            Have a nice day, OMG!

          • ralphkr says:

            So true, metrognome. The Republican party was first the US radical leftist party and the Democrats were the conservative party in the 1800s. However, note that by Teddy Roosevelt’s day the Republicans were becoming conservative and refused to adopt TR’s reforms which forced TR to start his own party. By today’s TEA Party standards every US politician in our history has been a flaming radical with very few exceptions.

          • metrognome3830 says:

            Agreed, ralphkr. But OMG has previously disagreed with me on that very same premise.

  3. Jim Myers says:

    Zimmerman was found not guilty. That does NOT mean he is innocent.

    What it does mean is that the likelihood of more “STAND YOUR GROUND” killings just went way up.

    And, if the victim of another “STAND YOUR GROUND” killing happens to be black, that could trigger race riots Nationwide.

    Is that really what our Nation needs?

    • ObozoMustGo says:

      Hey Jimbo… Hope you are well. What our nation really needs is to stop all this damned focus on skin color and the automatic presumption that race is involved in everything. It’s not. We need to just get over it once and for all, but recognize that no matter what we do, no matter how many laws we pass, there will always be a very small minority of people that prejudge someone else because of the color of their skin. It’s the human condition, and it isn’t going to change. By the same token, I think it also true that the VAST majority of us don’t care about skin color. That’s sort of what pi$$es us off with the left who prejudge others that disagree with them as somehow being racist. It’s simply not true in any way.

      Have a nice day, Jimbo!

      “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” – Martin Luther King

      • Allan Richardson says:

        Lofty words, but the reality is that in most cities in America, black parents warn their teenage (and almost-teenage) kids always to be “church-ready” in public. This means, if you dress casually like the white kids, then white police, white elderly ladies, white store clerks ans managers, and white vigilantes will ASSUME automatically that you represent a threat to them. Being ALWAYS DRESSED FOR CHURCH is the only way to tone down that threat, and even that doesn’t always work. Talk to someone who lives in a mostly black ghetto, honestly, and find out what the truth is about law enforcement in America.

        By the way, the reason there was not enough evidence to convict GZ is that the police DID NOT INVESTIGATE until the publicity finally forced them to, after a DELAY of several months in which the evidence became stale. It was never established, for example, whether GZ really got his gun out only when “losing” the fight, or was already pointing it at TM. In the latter case, wouldn’t the wound be in the side of the ribcage rather than in the front of the chest? Too bad Google Glass came too late to save TM’s reputation.

        Those of us who admire MLK, black and white, are still DREAMING of that day, when the content of one’s character is not ASSUMED to be correlated with outward appearance, including skin color. It has not happened completely yet; there are even some people who assume that a black person in the WHITE HOUSE cannot possibly be good and honest, so they LOOK FOR real and imaginary faults to “prove” it. Can you imagine that?

      • RobertCHastings says:

        Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech was perhaps the pinnacle of political oratory in this country. That he wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character and NOT by the color of their skin was largely a pipedream. In all walks of life, people still today are prejudged by the color of their skin, resulting in a large portion of this country’s population being shut out of full citizenship. Blacks are not merely denied the right to vote, but are denied equal treatment in loan applications, in job applications, in applications for virtually anything that would improve their social and economic standing. With the recent SCOTUS ruling on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, many people in this country will be denied a basic right and perhaps the ONE Constitutional right that forces us to treat one another equally, since it is apparent we will NOT do it without urging.

        • ObozoMustGo says:

          Hasty… you need to go through life without seeing victimization in everything. It’s simply not there like you or others believe it is. No one is being denied a right to vote. Not one single person. This is a myth of the left to market propaganda to low information voters. The SCOTUS only struck down that 50 yr. old provision that gave the Feds oversight in local precints that was so egregious that a polling place could not be moved from the Rescue station to the Fire Station across the street without some Fed bureaucrat sticking their nose in local decisioins. Any voter that feels like their right to vote has been denied still has the same 100% protection of the CRA. You’re getting your panties in a knot over nothing, Hasty. I realize that telling you this is akin to telling an anorexic that she needs to eat, but what the heck, someone has to try to do it.

          Have a nice day, Hasty.

          “Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty.” ― Mark Twain

          • RobertCHastings says:

            I am sure you won’t read it because it is from a “leftist freak mouthpiece of the communist regime”, but the Brennan Center (remember Supreme Court Justice William Brennan?) has conducted an extensive study of voter suppression and it is available for reprint on the Brennan Center’s website. I realize it is not approved reading by Judicial Watch, but you might learn something. I had some difficulty in accepting claims of voter suppression. This dispelled it.

          • ObozoMustGo says:

            Hasty… I read plenty of leftist freak diatribes. That’s what we all do here at The Memo. There is voter suppression going on, but it’s not from the right. It’s from Obozo and his tyrannical regime in the use of the IRS to harrass political opponents in an effort to prevent them from organizing, raising money, and getting out their message. As well, attempts to block voter ID is another form of suppression because it allows greate potential for voter fraud, thereby disenfranchising legal citizen voters by discounting their votes.

            BTW… Jim Crow laws were DemonRAT laws… just sayin

            Have a nice day!

            “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
            alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” – H.L. Mencken

          • RobertCHastings says:

            Lincoln was labeled a Republican, although his social views were VERY liberal for the time. Democrats of that era were very conservative on social issues and resisted the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th and 14th Amendments, while the Republicans of the day supported them. As can be seen from this, at least parts of the Democratic and Republican parties over the past 150 years and changed places on the political spectrum. However, into the Twentieth Century, southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) maintained their social conservatism, resulting in Jim Crow and programs of institutionalized racism in the South. Kennedy, by supporting the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act (both of the mid-60’s) changed the political dynamics in the South. Nixon won because of his Southern Strategy, which played on southern fears and hatred of blacks. Perhaps more accurate terminology would be Progressive and Conservative.

      • Jim Myers says:

        I am not saying Zimmerman targeted Martin because of race.

        For whatever reason he did target Martin, the fact is that Martin was black. And, the rest of my statement is, in my best guess, a likely scenario.

        Just to clarify a point, if you were walking from a convenience store, wearing a hoodie, and someone was stalking you, how would you respond? (I know, I know. Zimmerman wasn’t “stalking” anyone. However, if you are on the wrong end of that scenario, it certainly would look that way.)

        I think the two most common scenarios would be to try to get away from that person, or turn and fight.

        In either case, the person being pursued would appear to be “Suspicious of Something.”

        Also, what gave Zimmerman the right to pursue Martin in the first place? Did he see Martin do anything that would be considered “criminal behavior” by any sane human?

        I do not think wearing a hoodie really qualifies as “suspicious behavior.”

        Another thought. If Zimmerman were black, and Martin was hispanic or white, what would have been the reaction of the “Hold Your Ground” crowd?

        Sadly, I fear we may find out the answer to that question sooner, rather than later.

  4. Lorr says:

    I respect our Judicial System but sometimes juries get it wrong; O.J. Simpson, Casey Anthony, Marissa Alexander and now George Zimmerman.

    Although I agreed when Michael Vick getting 3 years in 2007, for running a cruel and inhumane dog fighting ring, it sends the message we think more of our animals than we do of a unarmed 17 year old.

    It was said today by I believe by Thomas Roberts it is easy for two people to keep a secret when one of them is dead.

    • sleepvark says:

      Lorr, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion in the OJ case. The jury came to the only reasonable conclusion given the evidence they saw. The problem there was the ineptitude of the prosecution. They mishandled the case in just about any way imaginable. The only thing they haven’t been cited for is failure to share exculpatory evidence, which only left the prosecution team looking like a bunch of clueless fools. But at least they weren’t criminals. I would refer you to Gerry Spence’s excellent book on the trial, OJ The Last Word.

      On the other hand, certain allegations about the Zimmerman prosecution team not sharing exculpatory evidence, if true, makes them the real criminals in that courtroom. Poor performance is one thing, malfeasance quite another.

      I hope these allegations are proven to be wrong. Juries by and large do the best they can with what they are given. But prosecutorial misbehavior is something truly to be concerned about. That sort of thing is most destructive to our system of laws. Much more so than an occasional misinformed jury.

      • Lorr says:

        I agree I trust there was no prosecutorial misbehavior, because people will loose further faith in our Justice System.

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