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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

When California Rep. Darrell Issa became chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, he openly stated his intention to hold hundreds of hearings in his ongoing effort to prove that President Barack Obama is “one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times.” Although his first several attempts to take down the administration fell flat, Issa’s initial failures only inspired him to “try, try again.”

The latest witch hunt — peremptorily titled “The Security Failures of Benghazi” — took place on Wednesday, when Issa’s committee held a hearing that sought to prove the Obama administration consciously prioritized politics over security in Libya, leading to the deaths of four Americans in attacks against the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on September 11. Unsurprisingly, the hearing was a partisan affair designed to embarrass Democrats rather than seek the truth or defend Americans in harm’s way.

Issa’s key witness was Eric A. Nordstrom, who served as the regional security officer for the American Embassy in Libya from September 2011 through June 2012. Nordstrom testified that the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security shot down his requests to extend the deployment of a military unit based in Tripoli, instead delegating security responsibilities to a mixture of American officers and Libyan militiamen.

“It was abundantly clear: we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident,” Nordstrom said. “And the question that we would ask is, again, how thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?”

Nordstrom later added that the most frustrating part of his assignment was “dealing and fighting against the people, programs and personnel who are supposed to be supporting me. And I added [sic] it by saying, for me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building.”

Patrick Kennedy, the State Department’s undersecretary for management, presented the government case. According to Kennedy, Nordstrom’s recommended security increase would not have prevented the murders at the consulate. As he made his case, he was repeatedly interrupted by Republican members of the committee, who were seemingly only interested in hearing testimony that incriminated the Obama administration.

By the end of the hearing, the committee was no closer to establishing what measures might have prevented the attack.

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  • bcarreiro

    issa fraud…………..rep boehner is corrupt, romney is corrupt, ryan is corrupt and the whole damn republican party is corrupt.

    • The GOP/Tea Party American Taliban Members Are All Corrupted!!! It Like German All Over Again!! They Working On The NEW WORLD ORDER!!! Only The Blind Can’t See What’s Going On Here!!! We Will Be Just Another Third World Country If We Don’t Get These Money Hoarding, Power Welding, Control Freaks Out Of Office!!! Let The VOTING BEGIN!!!

      • Fern, few people, in this country, have really studied how Germany lost their Democracy. it is scary, the parallels.

        • Yes That Why I Made The Statement!!! I Do My Homework!!!

        • oldtack

          It’s like preaching to the Choir.

          The GOP’ers are not interested in studying the Rise of the Third Reich. It would conflict with their present mission.

          Hitler/Goebels Romney /Ryan

          With the Tea Party the warning falls on deaf ears.

    • Roz

      What a fix that would be. What are you suggesting a dictatorship?? America is free and our politics is the price we pay. Don’t be a lazy voter and do your homework, check out the candidates and then do your duty and help elect one.

      • hilandar1000

        How dare any conservative question anyone else about suggesting a dictatorship when conservative congressmen met on the night of President Obama’s inauguration to figure out a way of regaining power. In an unmitigated act of TREASON, they voted to “show united and unyielding opposition to the (new) president’s economic policies”, and they proceeded to do anything in their power to do just that — with filibusters, “party of ‘no’ votes”, witch hunts, lies, and endlessly blaming liberals for GOP incompetence. They have shown NO concern for the will or welfare of the nation or its people, as long as they felt it would allow them to regain power.

        Darrell Issa as Chairman of the OVERSIGHT Committee? — that is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Do a quick check of Issa’s criminal background. It would be laughable, if it were not such a terrible waste of taxpayer dollars in order to fund his ridiculous witch hunts, all of which have proven to be not only a waste of taxpayer money, but totally unfounded as well. We need a two party system, but, if one of those parties is not willing to work with the other party for the benefit of the country and its people, what choice is left? If the Republican party wants to have a voice in the governing of this country, they need to reorganize and choose leaders who are interested in the welfare of the nation as a whole — not just their own selfish welfare and motives.

        • Like The Many Witch Hunts They Rages And Failed Just Wasting Money And Time On All The GOP/Tea Party Bullshit Looking For The Boogie Man!!! When In Fact They Are The Boogie Men That Destroying This Country And It People For The Love of Power, Control And Money!!! Why Are They Looking For Terrorists When They Are The Terrorists!!!

          • Fern, I don’t think you are helping our cause here – no posting while intoxicated, please.

          • TammieO I Think You Should Shut Your Pie Hole And I’m Not On Anything But The Truth Thank You Very Much Now Get You Some Business!!! Cause While You Talking Just Look At The Likes At The Bottom Of Each Post Dearie!! You Need To Shut Up And Catch Up!!! My People Understand Me Cause You Don’t That’s Your Problem Fern 7285 TammieO 144 Enough Said!!!

          • Between These Two Comments I Out Rank You TammieO So You Need To STFU Talking To Me!!! One Thing You Will Find Out Fern Is Always Going To Fern Not A Flip Flopping Liar!!!

        • Landsende

          And let’s not forget the treasonous fact that ALL republicans including Romney and Ryan signed a pledge to Grover Norquist to not raise taxes for any reason. They were elected by their constituents to serve their interests but have pledged to Norquist instead. Who is he, how did he get so much power, who’s backing him and why are republicans so afraid of him? These are all questions that need to be answered for the security of the country.

  • When a party has nothing to run on their only recourse is lies and witch hunts such as the hearings being held on the Benghazi tragedy. I wonder where all these Republicans were during the monthly terrorist attacks that took place when a Republican President was in office and they had control of Congress…
    What exactly are they hoping to find out, besides discrediting the President? That terrorists attacked our consulate in Benghazi? That the attack may have been premeditated or influenced by a provocative film? That the administration waited until all facts were known to reach a conclusion based on fact? Or are they suggesting that Marine detachments should be deployed in U.S. CONSULATES for the first time in history? Who knows, maybe they are blaming it on lack of crystal balls!
    BTW, Marines are only deployed in EMBASSIES and since there are just a few at each location they can not fend off a well coordinated attack by a large group of heavily armed terrorists.

    • Oh They Only Just Begun To Release All The Demons They Have In Their Box Of Dirty Little Tricks !! That’s Why America Needs To Clean House And Get All Those No Good People Out Of Office!!!

      • Good morning, Fern, you hit the nail on the head. Remember the hearings? Flappinjaw, Jason Chaffetz and his nasty accusations? Well I was watching budget discussion, in Congress, on C-span a while ago and Jason Cheffetz voted no on increasing the security budget. Secretary of State, Hiliary Clinton was upset about budget cuts initiated by the tea party. It was 128 million cut in 2011 and 320 million in 2012. Darrell Issa is not a good person.

        • Good Morning Maggie And Yes!!! These People Are Out To Destroy This Country From The Inside Out!!! Yes Have Our Own Set Of Terrorists Right Here In America, And They Have Brainwashed Almost Have Of The American People!!! We Must Get To The Voting Booth And Starting Voting All These Terrorists Out Of Office As Soon As Possible, Cause We Are The Ones Who Will Be Paying The Price!!! The Rich Will Rein And Rule This Country!!! America Will Be Just Another Third World Country!!! 🙁 peteserb You Can’t Read I Get That, But You Have To Know No One Here Really Like You Get A Clue Leave Me The Hell Alone Little Tea Bagging Cockroaches!!!

          • Republicans, especially Tea Qaida sympathizers are “The Enemy Within.”

        • Not surprising for a guy that looks like Ahmadinejad!

          • LOL He Do Look Like Him Dominick LOL Good Call!!! peteserb Were At War Son No Time To Be Lady Like !!! I Let You Be The Lady That You Are!! GOOD BYE TEA BAGGING TROLL!!!

      • peteserb

        Another well thought out comment by potty mouth. (A real lady)

        • You Ass Really Need To Get A Life Go Pester Somebody Else Tea Bagging Troll!!

        • old_blu

          Hey we like Fern that way, and you should becareful we’re going to elect her as our new bouncer, and untill you grow a pair she can take you.

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      If these were YOUR sons murdered, you’d see things differently . Facts: Increased security was DENIED. Building walls NOT up to thickness code. Windows NOT reinforced ballistic type. Window frames NOT reinforced. Building set-back NOT adequate. Security detail REDUCED. RESULT was that the occupants could NOT hold off the surging attackers long enough to call in reinforcements, and were tortured and murdered by terrorists…an unforgivable act because it could have been prevented by Obama administrations’ clear & decisive actions BEFORE a problem occurred. This failure to anticipate problems by an inept Obama administration is inexcusable.

      • Are you suggesting the Obama administration is guilty for the poor construction of consulates? I don’t know how much time you spent overseas and how many consulates you visited, but I spent 30 years overseas and went to many. Some are relatively large because of strategic reasons (economic, geopolitical) others are small and some are so tiny that they are just an office in an office building occupied by local businesses.
        Marine detachments are never deployed in consulates, and the number of CIA agents has always been relatively small. Certainly not large enough to repel a well organized attack by a large number of terrorists.

      • William Deutschlander

        The ENEPT REPUBLICAN CONGRESS has failed to appropriate enough funds to provide the enhancements to American outposts in foreign soverign countries.

        If you think that foreign governments are going to allow a marine detachment at our consulates you are intelectualy bankrupt. That is why the host country insists on providing consulate security.

        The Statesman that we had in Libya did not want a heavily fortified BUNKER, he wanted to demonstrate that we were freindly to the Libian people.

        Unfortunately there are ignorant individuals throughout the world, including the U S, that are blood thirsty murderers.

      • hilandar1000

        middleclass, Please check your information before posting ridiculous and untrue statements. It was the GOP that blocked the bill for increased security — NOT Obama or the his administration. Check it out — it’s a matter of public record.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Just in case you missed the news..Obama is in the White House and Hillary Clinton is his appointed Sect’y of State….Responsibility for the CURRENT safety & security of our Embassy & Consulate personnel RESTS with OBAMA & CLINTON, not the GOP.

          • middleclass: so you think that instead of trying to pull us out of the hole bush dug, Obama should have been spending all of his time bringing consulate buildings around the world up to code? You people are a scary joke.

          • johninPCFL

            Yes, the teabaggers denied the requested increase in security funding.

            Hopefully the teabagger traitors can be voted out this cycle.

          • That Should Be On Everybody List To Clean House And Get Rid Of These Crazy People!!! VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT OF OFFICE!!!

          • FredAppell

            That’s wrong, it is congress that controls the money so unless you can prove your supposed facts,your argument is without merit.

          • karinursula

            It does rests with the GOP if the denied the money/

          • oldtack

            As usual – wrong again.

          • Does that mean George W. Bush and the Republican controlled Congress were responsible for 9/11 and the death of 3,000 people on U.S. soil?

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            That is like suggesting Pres Roosevelt was responsible for Pearl Harbor attack. There are situations that no one can predict, but others where red flags have already been raised. Regarding Libya, our personnel received repeated threats against their lives in the run up to the 9/11 anniversary. And Libya always was/is a dangerous country. If nothing else, the President and/or State Dept should have recalled ALL middle east personnel around the 9/11 anniversary “just in case.” But Obama’s naive attitude and lack of experience caused him to focus more on his reelection than to the needs of the day….result was death of 4 brave civil servants. Blame here goes to man in charge!

          • What is it that you and the other tunnel vision Republicans don’t understand about Secretary Clinton going to Congress for more money so the
            State Department could afford to beef up security at embassies that were asking for it??? What is it about you nitwits that you don’t want to understand that much of the blame lies with the teagarden nitwits in the house that refused her request?? And what do you also not understand about the fact that it’s not the country who the embassy is representing that is responsible for a large part of the security, it’s the host country?? I think the answer is that you’re all in denial… you don’t want to admit that the GOP has a big part of being at fault for what happened by their penny wise pound foolish nonsense of cutting budgets!!!!

          • FredAppell

            Independent, it’s even worse than that. The GOP has been playing politics with the economy since the beginning. Mitch Mcconnell’s mission to make Obama a one term president and Grover Norquist’s pledge are all an indication that they are trying to destroy America. Every time we expose them, their supporters just shrug their shoulders because apparently the ends justify the means.

          • @middle, President Roosevelt WAS warned on Dec 4, 1942 in a 25 page memo from The Office of Naval Intelligence. So get your facts straight before spouting more right wing lies. Roosevelt did know and did nothing as he needed an excuse to enter World War 2, just as the Gulf of Tonkin event was a lie because LBJ was needing an excuse for escalating the air strikes in Viet Nam. so quit with your bullshit as governments will do ANYTHING when they want to play war. Grow up , this shit ain’t a movie. The truth is the Republicans blocked funding for security but go ahead and spin it any way you care to. We, the American people are not buying your lies this time around.

          • oldtack


            That would be December 4, 1941 and not Dec 4, 1942 as you typed it. Not Nitpicking – Just didn’t want to give ammo to the right wing nuts .

            Take Care

          • hilandar1000

            Blame here goes to the congressional GOP who voted against providing support for the installations such as the one in Libya that was attacked.

          • Bush isn’t totally responsible but the CIA had warned him that an attack from al Qaeda was immenent and he ignored the warning. My guess is because there wasn’t much money for his donors to make in fighting terrorists which is why he kept his administration focused on attacking Iraq…where his and Cheney’s rich buddies involved in the defense industry could rake in billions by overcharging for everything associated with waging a war.
            I don’t recall hearing that the Obama administration had gottten any specific credible warnings of an attack coming in Lybia similar to what Bush had gotten from the CIA.

          • metrognome3830

            Is that the best you can do? What do do your thinking with? I’ll give you a hint. You’re using the wrong part of your anatomy.

        • hilander, you would be asking middleclass to a) actually seek truth, and b) accept truth. Refer to Reality, A Product Of The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy at National Memo as to why you are wasting your time.

          • hilandar1000

            Of course you’re so right, Tammie — I just let that infernal optimism get the better of me sometimes.

        • I watched those arguments during a house meeting on C-span. You are correct.

          • So Did I It’s Just Awful The Way These People Are Acting!!

      • Hey midd…You are starting to earn the name ‘muddleclasstaxpayer’…if ya know whut I’m sayin’ heeya

      • What Issa should try to determine is who tipped off the terrorists. U.S. Ambassadors work and live in embassies located in capital cities, in this case Tripoli. Somebody informed the Al Qaeda cell in Lybia that our ambassador was visiting the consulate in Benghazi. Don’t forget that consulate protection is usually provided by local authorities and seldom involve more than a couple of cops. There are also local janitorial and administrative personnel in consulates who could have easily tipped off the terrorists…

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          “Who” tipped them off ” is AFTER the FACT…’s what happened “before” the fact that counts..IE: what security measures were in place for building & personnel….it is now known that our ambassador received many death threats in prior 6 months, which he reported to State Dept. It is also known that the building’s security measures were NOT up to par for protection of occupants. If building were much more secure, as required, it is possible that our ambassador & others might have been able to hold off the attack until reinforcements arrived, thus saving their lives. INEXCUSABLE loss of life!

          • neece00

            You keep changing what is important to fit whatever your arguement happens to be. Amazing.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Was the loss of life at our Libyan consulate NOT important to you???

          • old_blu

            It wasn’t the President or Hillary Clinton that denied them security, they were asking for more money, the Republicans said no.

            They said no! Maybe the loss of life wasn’t important to them at the time, seems now it is.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            So a president so powerful he could nationalize the largest healthcare system in the world, and also “find” over 2 BILLION dollars to “invest” in solar firms (all of which are now bankrupt) wasn’t able to muster the few dollars to improve security for embassy & consulate personnel who reported repeated death threats in prior six months to the attack. Is THAT how “powerless” & inept Mr Obama is???

          • old_blu

            You can spew all the verbal vomit you want, it was the Republicans that refused the money for security. Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.

          • neece00

            The consulate protection is usually provided by local authorities and seldom involve more than a couple of cops and remember, that our representative in Libya wanted to appear more friendly to the Libyan people and did not want to live in a bubble. As stated above, it is congress who controls the money.

          • oldtack

            more hot air from the gas bag

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            It’s obvious from your “comment” that you are someone with no sense, being led by someone with even less sense!

          • metrognome3830

            You just described yourself very well.

          • Sand_Cat

            Virtually all of your comments are projections of your own willful ignorance, malice, and stupidity on those who try to protect both you and the rest of us from the consequences of what you think you want.

          • hilandar1000

            Old Tack adds the wisdom of experience and years of observation to the discussions here — unlike you who parrot the drivel you hear from Fox News and Limbaugh.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            Got bad news for you both…the NY Times has finally started admitting and publishing all the same data I have cited…..things are also starting to break down for liberals……remember, you can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time!

          • hilandar1000

            Does anybody have any clue as to what middleclass is rattling on about now???

          • hilandar1000

            Funds are allocated for specific purposes. Any way you look at it, the GOP was responsible for the lack of funding for that specific purpose. The president does not have the power to take money from one fund to apply to another one WITHOUT the approval of congress.

          • neece00

            The loss of life is very important, in every aspect of our live, for everyone especially our military servicemen. My point is, when we debate this and certain facts are pointed out and explained, you then change the parts that are important.

          • karinursula

            Apparently not to the GOP since they denied the money.

          • It’s Amazing These People Don’t Understand That Congress Control The Money!! Guess That’s What Happen When You Don’t Go To School!!

          • oldtack

            These men had a Job. They had a good paying job. They knew the dangers involved in these jobs. They had a choice to stay or not. They chose to stay for which I commend their decision. Their decision resulted in the loss of their life.
            The Ambassador chose to go in the face of danger when he could have cited the security problem and remained in the Embassy but he did not. I honor all four men – but – they died in the line of duty.

            WAR is Hell.

            Your Party slashed the Security budget by almost 450 million dollars and denied appropriation request from Clinton for enforcement and then have the gall to blame her for the debacle?


          • FredAppell

            Neeceoo, yesterday I posted that the GOP are masters at controlling the national narrative. They do it through confusion and lies. You can’t seem to pin them down on anything which makes us look silly trying to defend our points of view. That is their only weapon (misdirection).

          • neece00

            You’re right, they change the facts to fit their agenda, whatever it is for the moment.

          • oldtack

            Your Party slashed almost 450 Million dollars from the Security budget in 2010 and 2011. It was your Party that blocked requests for increased security. As my Marine DI would say “Get your head out of your Ass so you can see and hear.”

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            The BUCK STOPS with the party in charge for the LAST 4 YEARS! Obama is naive about foreign policy & foreign threats….he wastes billions on taking over (no nationalizing) our healthcare, “invests” over 2 Billion in solar energy firms (all now bankrupt) but doesn’t see ANY danger on 9/11 in middle east countries, and fails miserably to protect our foreign based people. He finds $$$ for everything that’s “important” to him & his reelection campaign however.

          • Landsende

            In every post you claim all the two billion invested in solar energy companies went bankrupt . First of all not all of them went bankrupt and some of them were funded under Bush’s administration. If you aren’t afraid to research the truth go to Fact Check and get the true facts and not the BS Faux News and the Romney campaign put out. It’s a nonpartisan site that checks the facts of both parties, news organizations, and those e-mail letters that “claim” to know the truth.

          • oldtack

            Hey middleclass
            If you will go to your local pharmacy and ask they have bottles of liquid called Citroma. If you drink two of these you will clear up that problem of yours.

          • metrognome3830

            So now you claim to know the building codes in Libya? What are those requirements you speak of? Where do you get all these facts that you know? For a guy who doesn’t seem to know a whole lot, you sure know a lot about what everyone else should know.

          • Funny Those Facts Are Known But The Fact That Romney Is A Lying Con Man Seems To Go Over The Head!!!

          • metrognome3830

            I think nearly everything goes over Middleclasstaxpayer’s head.

      • Mr

        Get you some more of that right-wing cool aid!
        Take a good look at what your Mittens has planned for your so called middle class tax payers. Issa and his band of right wing fools have one goal–
        TO SERVE–not you or I or any number of private citizens BUT their corporate sponsors and nut job financiers.
        Their goal is as announced by the leading right winger nut job in the Senate–run Obama out of office. Matters not that it is their party that holds responsibility for the cuts in security and anything and everything not beneficial to their CLAN.
        Enemies of our society and security is spelled—R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N!
        At best, it takes an elementary school education to see thru them and yet there are believers and followers………………….
        Opps–they cut that portion of the budget also cause simple math tells us that to educate–in their minds–is to lose voter backing.

      • Carl_in_California

        You are forgetting that it is the congress that holds the purse strings… The Executive branch requested funds to increase embassy and consulate security and the Republican controlled House denied the funds… If anyone here is inept, it is the Republican congress which denied funds and now is “investigating” to find out “how this happened.”

        My suggestion… House Republicans who want to know how this happened should simply look in the mirror…

        Playing partisan politics may seem like “business as usual” to Daryl Issa and the Republican majority in the House, but to many of us outside of Washington it looks despicable and disgusting…

        • Carl, you are absolutely right. Using every incident as a political ploy is despicable and disgusting.

      • Dawn Rainbow

        an you read, Hillary Clinton asked for additional money for the CIA facility’s security andd congress refused, & this is a direct result of their playing politics.
        Now 3 operatives and an embasador are dead.

      • awakenaustin

        It was a Consulate and not an Embassy. Whose thickness code? Your position is that we should have and could have built new consulates and embassies in Libya in the less than one year since the war there ended? Really? Where were we to get that money? Certainly not from you and your friends. You don’t beleive in paying taxes to support your government. I should feel a little sorry for you in your quest to spin everything that happens into a criticism of President Obama. You and Rep. Issa have so little to work with you are required to make up stuff. It must be some difficult to have to rely on made up facts as a basis for ones criticisms. Your response is a clear and cogent example of very thing Leonard Pitts discussed in his article. You live in a world of pretend.

      • thin_bluine

        Middleclasstaxpayer, maybe you need to pull your head out of the sand a little bit my friend. First off, agreed it was a huge irehensible tragedy and some very fine and brave young men died at the hands of some psycho freakshow terroristic scum. The facts remain however that the defense spending was cut for embassy security by Repulican run House of Rep. It is crap like this, the petty fighting between the 2 dominant political parties that should make every true American sick to their stomach. I am a registered Democrat but my political beliefs are more a tick off center to the left. It truely disgusts me everytime I hear about the fighting these grown men and women do with each other because one person lies on one side of the isle or the other. The President whether Democrat or Republican is really nothing more than a face of the country, you and I both know that the President has no more control over creating jobs, economic recovery, defense spending and cost of a barrel of oil than you or I do. A presidents success or failure is in direct coralation with what the US Congress will let them do. Sure they have the ability to suggest programs or ideas to spur economic growth, create jobs, defense spending and the cost of a barrel of oil, but their ideas only go as far as the US Congress will alow it to go. So if you don’t like the way the country is going, look first at your congressional delegates and vote them out of office and try someone new. The worst part about all of this is those in congress and alot of those out in the general poulation of the country have forgotten the principles our country was founded on. The leadership in Washington was started as and should be returned to “To the People, From the People, By the People ” not ” to the People, From the Party, By the Party” The Party is supposed to represent the people not the other way around, if you want change and want to blame someone for the tragedy in Bengahzi blame the psycho freakshow terroristic scum. I have learned over many years in law enforcement that if someone wants to steal, hurt or kill bad enough that no amount of security cameras, thick walls or bulletproof glass will stop them. Let’s keep the blame where it belongs, on the scum not on the President.

        • karinursula

          Thank you, Wonderful said

      • And how would you have paid for all that you say was missing? Was the administration supposed to wave a magic wand and have it appear? You seem to miss the point that this administration has had to scramble for every penny whereas the previous one got an unlimited credit card by not putting anythng into the budget. And you wonder why we’re digging out of a financial crisis.
        Go figure.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Well, Obama says he knows how to pay for Obamacare…covering the costs of the largest healthcare system in the world. If he can pay for that, certainly increasing security in embassy & consulate buildings should be easy. And remember how he “found” over TWO BILLION DOLLARS (of TAXPAYER MONEY) to “invest” in failed energy firms like Solyndra, Ener 1, Beacon Power, Abound Solar, Amonix Solar, Spectra Watt, and Eastern Energy…ALL Now bankrupt, but ALL were former BIG DONORS to Obama’s campaign. Maybe if the Consulate personnel donated to Obama’s reelection they might have received some help?

          • karinursula

            Are you really an American? This is awful what you write, this country is really divided. Shame on you for writing such trash.

          • neece00

            Thank you kar for your input.

          • FredAppell

            Where do you get your facts. Obamacare is an exact model of Romneycare. I’m not sure how Romney managed to extricate himself from that part of his history. Oh wait! I know, he was for it before he was against it. As far as Solyndra and those other companies go, those were loans that those companies were expected to pay back. I give President Obama a lot of credit for trying to come up with a solution to Americas energy problem. Problem was that the cost was so high that it was costing these companies money. The oil companies get all kinds of subsidies because of the cost of producing crude. I think it is pathetic that in the 21st century the world is still using 200 year old technology. President Carter started the process of making America more energy independent when he put solar panels on the White House roof. President Reagan took the panels down. He didn’t want to go against his Vice President oil man George H.W. Bush. America had the chance of leading the world in solar technology but instead we are about 20 years behind. By the way, the money that went to Solyndra was all part of Obama’s Green Jobs Initiative. It was supposed to put millions of people back to work by retraining a new work force and creating an entire industry. The oil industry seems to lack the vision and desire to change and they don’t like competition. Also, i refuse to support any kind of drilling on protected Federal lands. Teddy Roosevelt ( a true Republican) didn’t set that land aside for us to exploit. It was set aside for us to appreciate it’s beauty and respect nature.

          • metrognome3830

            You know, middleclass, you are quite possibly the dumbest member of the middle class. Or any class. Perhaps you should have spent more time in class.

          • Please do not lower yourself to the level of the name calling right wing thugs. If you don’t have anything substantive to add please refrain from commenting.

          • metrognome3830

            I beg your pardon, sir. Are you telling to me to not comment because I respond in the only way some of these people respond? People like that understand nothing else. I keep hoping they will become discouraged and drop out. However, with middleclasstaxpayer, it’s a lost cause. However, I do not refrain from commenting as I wish because you don’t think it is right. I do thank you for your concern, however.

        • neece00

          And Mitt wants to add 5000.00 to the pentagon budget as part of his strategy. I wonder where he thinks all this money is going to come from, the money tree.


            Well since obama spent $14.467 trillion — and counting

            I think a NEW president could spend some.

            Don’t worry Romney knows how to make money!!

          • johninPCFL

            Yes, Mitt’s history shows that he borrows all he needs. Just like Reagan and Bush, borrow and spend…borrow and spend.

            Maybe the teabagger House could buck up and do their jobs for a change…

          • karinursula

            sure he does, by putting his money overseas


            It’s HIS money!!!!

            Do you think you should get some of it

          • Sand_Cat

            HIS money, parasitized from companies founded and built to actually make something, not shift paper and steal from those doing REAL work. All you geniuses talk about government taking from the rich. What about companies like Bain, which suck the productive dry.

          • neece00

            He know how to make money and he knows how to keep money. Do you think he is going to let you have any of it?


            I don’t need it!!!

            We take care of ourselves

          • oldtack

            Sure you do ALLASS -sure you do.

            A real self made man – especially the brain part.

          • Yes you did, built your own roads, hospitals, water treatment plants, electrical grids, etc. What a great person you are.

          • hilandar1000

            Glad to hear you don’t need it. We, here were just discussing taking up a collection to get you a new radio and television that has other stations for you to watch/listen to — besides Fox News and Limpball.

          • 345_719

            Better check your figures!! 12 trillion of that came from bush.


            You are wrong again!!!!

            look it up

          • I looked it up ALLAMERICAN and on the day President Obama took office the debt stood at $10.6 trillion meaning that President Obama increased the debt by $4.7 trillon. I agree President Obama took on too much debt but at least let’s tell the truth, shall we?

          • hilandar1000

            If we REALLY want the truth, we will see that Obama has been a miser when it comes to spending. A large part of the debt taken on during the Obama administration is the cost of two wars that was not included in the budget of the previous administration and the lack of revenues from the economy that was in free-fall when this administration took over.

          • oldtack

            AllAss American is WRONG – AGAIN. Par for the course

          • Yes, for the wealthy, then it will “trickle down” to the peons, right?

          • No neeceoo, the money as usual will come from the poor and the middle class or maybe he can sell a few more American corporations to the Chinese, god knows he good at doing that.

      • Increased security was not denied by the presiden

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Repeated requests for MORE security were NEVER acted upon by Obama or his Sect’y of State Hillary Clinton. The “buck” stops with those in charge. They did nothing to prevent this horrible disaster and loss of life.

          • I suppose you have proof that repeated requests were made.
            You know what is despicable? This was an incident in which the United States should have come together as one country in the outrage. Instead certain factions use it for further division. The Bible says a house divided against itself cannot stand.

          • neece00

            You’re right, we couldn’t be more divided.

          • FredAppell

            Maggie, I have never read the bible but I do know that President Lincoln used that very quote in one of his most important speeches. As for middleclasstaxpayer and the rest of their spawn, Ambassador Stevens repeatedly turned down request for a stronger detail. His reasoning behind this was that he was more concerned with building trust with the citizens of Benghazi. He has stated that he felt safe and secure among the people. Increasing his security detail would have made him appear inaccessible to the people he was trying to foster relations with. The GOP has never let a good lie go to waste.

          • neece00

            Thank you fred, your thought are appreciated

          • And You Would Be Right Fred That Just What Happen!!!

          • oldtack

            Hey MCL
            Have you ever served in the Armed Forces?

      • amarquez647

        What is truly inexcusable is your unsubstantiated assumptions. You are so entrenched in your partisan myopic vision that not even you cannot use reason. Let me quote
        Scott Lilly, who spent three decades as a senior staffer for Democrats in Congress, often working on budget matters, and now a fellow at the Center for American Progress in DC, says the cuts sought by Congress have been steep since the new House sat in 2011.
        “In 2011 they came in and passed a continuing resolution for the remainder of that fiscal year. The House proposed $70 million cut in the WSP and they proposed a $204 million cut in Embassy security,” says Mr. Lilly. “Then the next year, fiscal 2012, they cut worldwide security by $145 million and embassy security by $376 million. This year’s bill is the same thing all over again. The House has cut the worldwide security budget $149 million below the request.”
        T he administration administers activities of the government within the resources provided by the legislature. The administration can only recommend and plead the legislature for founds. It cannot through divine providence or magical means spend what it does not have. It is the legislature, especially the present house that is responsible for putting our brave diplomats at risk. For the purpose of checks and balances we elected to have three branches of government. When members of one branch of that triad is hell bent in vilifying the other the foundation of this society is at peril.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          And yet “somehow” Obama and his supporters “found” over $2 BILLION dollars to fund “questionable” solar energy firms (ALL of which were big Obama campiagn donors) that subsequently went bankrupt. Obama also “found” the money to take over the world’s largest healthcare system, as big as one-sixth our entire US economy. Yet he couldn’t find the resources to protect our brave foreign workers?
          OK, if you say so.

          • karinursula

            Someone help me, did not Bush start this?

          • YES You Are Right My Friend!! Same Way They Trying To Blame Obama For All The Other Crap Bush Started When He Was In Office!! The Reason Why Is Cause The Leaders Of The GOP/Tea Party Taliban Is Telling The People This And They Know Damn Well Bush Started A Lot Of This Crap They Blaming Obama For !! And You Wonder Why Bush Wasn’t Invited To The RNC That’s Why!!!

          • johninPCFL

            Yes, the energy requests were made by the GWB administration and signed into law by the president. Seems like the teabaggers found this money, but couldn’t find any for embassy security.

            Of course, they warned of trouble in the Middle East when Obama was elected. A conspiricy junky would propose that the teabaggers caused the problem…

      • johninPCFL

        Yes, the teabaggers denied increased funding, and decreased security was the direct result.

      • karinursula

        I need to take the “like” away/ My error

        • Just Click The Like Again Then Your Like Will Go Away LOL!!

      • RobGinChicago

        This was a temporary Consular Post, not a permanent post. Some modifications were made to accommodate the functions of the post, but there were no major rennovations done before the facility was used as a temporary Consulate. Perhaps that is why the no longer secret CIA (thanks to Issa’s public hearings) “safe house” facility was being used to provide security.

      • oldtack

        Check the record (free) before you open your mouth and spew garbage.

      • metrognome3830

        Did you even read the story? What party has been cutting the security budget? Quick now, what’s the answer?

    • adler56

      This from a party whose leader- Ronnie Rayguin – cut and ran when 240 Marines were killed in Issa’s homeland.

    • anyasnote

      Don’t forget that Repukes (Ryan Included) voted to cut off funds in defense of our Embassies, even Clinton protestedthe cuts. But they wanted to boodst up more in a ilitary might when Pentagon said they don’t needed. GO figure. Watch and just see how STUPID most of American will BELIEVE this BS. Romney commented on this incident while nobody knew anything yet – HOW DID HE KNOW?????
      Romney flip flop and reverses himself so many times I lost counts and still don’t know WHAT he is ALL ABOUT. GOD HELP US and GIVE WISDOM to SOME RED NECKS AND HATERS TO GROW SOME COMMON SENSE.

    • wesley rasmussen

      I don’t think it is the last suggestion. We all know that the Republicans have lots of crystal balls – they keep getting them kicked!!

    • montanabill

      ‘may have been…influenced by a provocative film’? I hope you are not buying that lie. They weren’t waiting for all the ‘facts’ come in. Obama, Rice, Carney and Hillary were all spouting the ‘film’ line, even days after it was clear (within 24 hours) that it was a terrorist attack by al Qaeda. And they kept with their story until the State Dept. outed them yesterday.
      Do you really think it required a crystal ball to expect an attack on 9/11? Do you really think it required a crystal ball when an Ambassador in a lawless country requests additional security? Do you really think our Marines couldn’t have been used in Libya to protect our people at Benghazi and that we couldn’t have used as many as we wanted or a least had a ship with helicopters right off shore?
      The President was trying to protect his fairy tale that al Qaeda has been defeated and was willing to sacrifice American lives for it.

      • neece00

        Do you really think that if George W. Bush had been nicer to other countries and not the bully or warmonger that he was, we might have had a better image of us throughout the world.

        • montanabill

          I think being nice and $1 will buy you a cup of coffee. I think being nice and telling a bunch of not-so-nice countries we will not tolerate crap will result in not having to take crap. If they have a bad image of us because of that, well, too bad.

      • Montana, you have no proof that the uprising was not caused by the film. This is what you get with radical theocracies and there are people in this country that wants to make it a theocracy.

        • montanabill

          Lets see. I have the word of the Libyan government, the video tapes shot that day and evening at the compound, Director of National Intelligence Matthew Olsen, Leon Panetta, Jay Carney (when he slipped), and the State Department. But I guess I should just ignore them, because the President wants it to be the film.

    • bud2011

      The killing of the ambassador and aides in Benghazi is another example of the lack of leadership of Obozo and Clinton. The failure of Clapper to provide intelligence (an oxymoron term in the Obozo administration) in the muslim countries about uprising in countries that are still fighting.

      • johninPCFL

        Similar to the failures under Reagan and GWB?

    • Dominick, the reason for the small security details at embassies was so they wouldn’t intimidate their host countries. The host country is supposed to provide the protection.

      • You Got That Right!!

      • I agree. What Romney and some Republicans do not understand is that we can not arbritarily deploy a large contingent of troops in every embassy and consulate in the world without the host countries agreeing and, likely, asking us to reciprocate. Can you imagine a company of Red Chinese troops guarding their embassy in D.C. or their consulate in L.A.?

        • FredAppell

          Well said and so true. America needs to stop worrying about being a superpower and start learning to be more objective in how we view the world. The very people who support the American Empire don’t seem to understand why other countries despise us. In fact, those same people convince themselves that it’s out of envy. The whole American manifest destiny argument is getting so tiresome and old. The Romans thought the very same way as did every other empire before us.

        • Yes You Are Right Again Dominick!!

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      So embassies are the ONLY places that get Marine guards…everyone else lives or dies by his/her own luck. What a GRERAT OBAMA regulation. But of course he’s much too busy running the country to worry about the little people. And he’s got his campaign to see to also. Makes perfect sense! (to a liberal)

  • If there was an Intelligence Gap – – or, Gaff, in the Libyan Ambassador Event; it pales in comparison to the event in which 19 Arabs with lowly Box Cutters brought down the Twin Towers. Now, that’s a lack of Intelligence! With all of our Technology; a Box Cutter brought the Big Dog to it’s knees. Who was looking after the Nation’s Security when that event occurred? Talk about being clueless, and, reacting much like a deer caught in the headlights – – will anyone ever forget the look on Bush’s face when an Aide told him about the attack. He simply didn’t have a Clue!

    • They are trying to do the same thing they did to Clinton. They couldn’t defeat Bill, a man who made them look like fools, so they did what nobody had done to any previous president in similar circumstances, starting with George Washington, they made him swear under oath that he had not had sexual relations with Monica Lewinski and hanged him when he did what most married men would say under similar circumstances. I wonder how Ike or JFK would have reacted to something like that…

      • Truman and Ike were political opponents in 1952. They weren’t unfriendly before that, until truman began to tease Ike about his WWII war time mistress in private. But it never became an issue in the campaign. Reporters knew…but back then it was not a subject anyone considered destroying a candidate over. Same thing with all of JFK’s mistresses.

      • Dominick, that is the truth. President Clinton’s folly was that he allowed himself to be seduced. I am not sure about all the other males in this country, but when a woman sidles up to him and asks him to fell her thong undies, will anyone of them lose their mind at the moment?

        • CAThinker

          Ah yes – thong undies… our greatest weakness… But as the saying goes… in a Democrat administration, only the President gets screwed (Clinton had Lewinsky and Obama had the House of Representatives)… In a Republican administration, EVERYONE gets screwed… I think the past 20 years proved that out…

          • You Got That Right Cathinker LOL The GOP/Tea Party Is Screwing Everybody But The Rich People!!

    • latebloomingrandma

      Knowing how Bush cavalierly dismissed his famous August 6, 2001 memo about alQaeda determined to strike homeland, while he was vacationing the whole summer at his ranch, that look on his face on 9/11 was something. I always felt it was his great “Oh, shit!” moment. He knew he had a major screw-up on his watch, and this was one reason for his over-reach, going all hog wild. I think if he could have gotten away with decimating the whole middle east he would have done it. (OK–I’ll admit that ‘s some hyperbole)

  • Just another right-wing extremist in Congress doing his best to do nothing and succeeding.
    Issa got news for you buddy — We are going to flush the right-wing down the toilet of history.

  • whens this idiot going to say he,s sorry when he messes up ? or when is some one gonna add a 9mm to his empty head ?

    • NEVER, WE Must Clean House!!! VOTE!!!

    • ivory, I hope homeland security sees your comment – you can’t vote from prison!

  • William Deutschlander

    Issa is a card carrying member of the Republican Cartel, need I say more?

  • adler56

    I’m convinced that Issa is the leader of a sleeper cell intent on destroying America. I don’t know who he answers to but it’s no one who has America’s best interests at heart. He is an ugly, dishonest person- I wouldn’t call him a man since he’s so underhanded.

    • The American Taliban Our Very Own Home Grown Terrorists Cells Operating In Plain Sight!!!

  • adler56

    I just googled Issa and found out he has several arrests and surprise, surprise he has that Republican trait of lying. He claimed he helped check a baseball stadium for explosives
    so president Nixon could safely attend a World Series game- Nixon never attended any World Series games- just another lying Ryan, lyin williard type. He stole the business that made his $450 million fortune. What a slime ball.

    • CAThinker

      Yes – the other one was with a brother or cousin or some family member – they tried to run an insurance scam by claiming one of their cars was stolen… Who thinks this stuff up? That would have never crossed my mind in a million years… But it occurred to these morons and they went through with it…

  • Issa needs to spend more time ironing his hair and putting a little cosmetic filler to that road map on his face,instead of these trumped up hearings..How did that fast and furious hearing work out for you,Issa, you sleaze?????

    He’s a low rent Congressman..What is wrong with California..?????

    • CAThinker

      Well… Sad to say we have our share of Talipublican right-wing nut jobs too… We have more than our fair share of military installations (both my Father served in the Navy and my Son just enlisted in the Marine Corps – I’ve been working in the Navy lab here in San Diego most of my career) which tend to lean right. Leaning right is good – I tend to do that, but along with the leaners, you get the extremes… I don’t get it with Issa though… He came in long before the Tea Party even existed and was just another seat warmer in Congress… I’m thinking he figured that if he leaned harder right and embraced the Tea Party that he could advance his career… And he was right – he chairs the Oversight committee now… Hopefully the Dems will reclaim both houses and clean up the committees… The scarier committee is the Science and Technology guys – they have three Creationist wing nuts in that committee…

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    Obama administration had NUMEROUS REQUESTS over last 6 months for increased security with no action forthcoming. In addition, there were reported death threats to our ambassador which he communicated to State department with no response. Our brave representatives were literally left to fend for themselves, with disasterous results.

    • If you Republicans really cared about ‘our brave representatives’ in the State Department who put themselves in harm’s way…you wouldn’t allow a chucklehead like Michele Bachmann to ‘serve’ on the U.S. House ‘Intelligence’ Committee…where she just sows dangerous political nonsense and discord by attacking a valued, patriotic & respected State Department female employee for her cultural background. And you wouldn’t defend a Rove led regime that went after a ‘non-team’ player like former ambassador (and State Department employee) Joseph Wilson for refuting their Nigerian ‘yellowcake’ uranium story that was so critical in building that WMD/Mushroom Cloud sales pitch proir to the Iraq invasion. Outing Wilson’s CIA wife as a secret agent and putting her life at risk and ending her valuable job as an agent was the political payback for Wilson’s ‘brave representation’. Rove is still a political advisor and I’m sure is a ‘team player’ for Romney these days.

    • In 2012 your “fave” Republican Congress cut security for Consulates all around the world for by 221 million? How about some facts, idiota??????????????

      • middleclasstaxpayer

        Here’s a FACT: Obama has been in power for almost 4 years, likewise Hillary Clinton as Sect’y of State….If Obama could Nationalize the world’s largest (and most successful) healthcare system in less than 2 years, do you think he could have addressed the security situation for our most dangerous embassies & consulates in the middle east? Or directed Sect’y of State Clinton to do so? Remember, DEATH THREATS were received and communicated to admin officials for at least 6 months prior to this attack in Libya..Do you suppose ANY responsible person could have acted in this time frame?? Of course not, Obama has been TOO BUSY campaigning to worry about the “small people” in far away places. Obama is MUCH TOO IMPORTANT to consider that!

        • What a nut! What happened prior to 9-11. If we blame presidents for terrorist attacks, 2,000 people died in 9-11. I don’t think the presidents are responsible for the attacks. Security was addressed by Secretary of State, Hiliary Clinton and instead of giving her more security, the Repblican house enacted budget cuts.


            Do you understand how truly despicable and reckless Barack Hussein Obama’s conduct was?

            230 documented security incidents prior to Obama pulling out the security team that could have saved Ambassador Stevens’ and the other Americans lives:

          • neece00

            I do believe that your biggest concern with Barack Hussein Obama is the color of his skin.


            The color of the skin is NOT the problem—It’s what you stand for.

            You Libs are the ones that start up the racism—-

            The question would be:
            Do you want a President that is a terrorist and supports the terrorist?


            Do you want a president that works hard and loves his country and knows
            how to run a business and make money and get us out of this deficit.

          • Justin Napolitano

            ‘Well allll, you don’ stand for anything that isn’t slimy and crooked.

          • Justin Napolitano

            I know how despicable you are and your champion Issa.


            Maggie, Alicia, Fern and all the rest of you Libs—-

            In this type of situation–Don’t make yourself look like a ruthless, unkind, heartless, and pitiless un-American!!!!

            You should NOT be arguing about something so terrible.
            If you were any kind of an American, you would agree and say

            YES, Obama should had not been so reckless and uncaring!!!

          • Justin Napolitano

            No, middle, we are recognizing that the Republicans would sink this country in order to install a Plutocracy. By the way you will not be a part of the ruling party, because you have to get a little more greedy and just slightly more clever.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Go find a hole middle you have found a new low in reasoning. You can’t read so why would anyone want to argue with you?


        After spending $14.467 trillion — and counting.

        I’m sure he could come up with it somewhere to protect our poeple.

        Barack Hussein Obama’s conduct was truly despicable and reckless


      230 REQUEST

  • Republicans should take their witch hunt somewhere else. If it was lack of intelligence in Libya, what about that intelligence of WMD in Iraq where so many lives, including Americans, Iraqis who should be breathing now like anyone else, lost their lives because of lies. Without forgetting the treasure which was used to conduct the war and not putting aside the disabled who are still suffering because of GOP negligence. Is there any comparison between the incident in Libya with that one of Iraq???

    • neece00

      Frida, I like your words.

    • You Got That Right!!

    • Justin Napolitano

      The Republican are filthy beasts bent on one thing, destroying the middle class and installing a Plutocracy.

  • His only purpose, at tax payer’s expense, was to discredit Pres. Obama and his administration. I hope people are beginning to see thru the Republican agenda.

    • Douglas, instead of accepting the will of the people, and getting in there and supporting the government for the good of the country, they spend all their time trying to discredit the President. I don’t believe in political parties as they are divisive, but there is one party I won’t vote for because they behave in a subversive manner.

      • And That Is Why This Recession Is So Slow To Recover Cause They Are Wasting Time Attacking The President!!! Make Me Know They Don’t Want Things To Get Better At Least Not With A Democratic President!! It’s Like Treason!!

        • old_blu

          That is one of the best things you have said Fern, if they weren’t fighting the President we could have been out of this by now, so they must not want to help the country.

  • old_blu

    When you cut funding you are going to lose something with the cuts, I’m sorry these people lost their lifes, but the Republicans wanted the cut in the funding, you can’t have it both ways. (that would be hypocritical)

    • neece00

      Hypocritical, mmmm, isn’t that the stance the Romney has taken. He likes both sides.

      • old_blu

        Up here in the north west there are places who keep cutting funding to the police and fire, and then they bitch, and moan because no one is there when they need them. (same thing here)

        • Good Morning My Friend And What The Voters Don’t Seem To Get Is That Smaller Government These Terrorists Want Cuts Polices, Firemen, Teachers And All The Civil Service Workers Which Was Be Just Plain Horrible For America And The American People!!!!! We Must Clean House People Get These No Good People Out Of Office!!!

          • old_blu

            You are absolutely right, and good morning to you too.

        • neece00

          And then they turn around and blame it on the current president just because he is the current president.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Yes and they complain that schools and school teachers are not doing the job while they try, over and over to cut school funding.

          • old_blu

            Absolutely Justin, you and me are on the same page about this.


      It’s called common since!!!!

      When they have requested 230 times for more security—YOU DO IT!!!!!!!!!

      • neece00

        common since? Common, since when? Are you sure it is not common sense which is something that people have and this gives them the ability to process information accurately.

      • oldtack

        Not when you get blocked by Congress!

  • lana ward

    The morning after the attack, Romney reported to the country. Obama flew to LasVagas for a campaign event. Caring President all right!

    • Justin Napolitano

      Lana, Romney report shi*. Romney didn’t know a damn thing but that didn’t stop him from shooting off his mouth. I was wondering when you would show up Lana, Middle, Obozo and all of the other logins you use.
      It is getting harder to disguised your real identity isn’t it.

      • lana ward

        I’m proud to use my real nane. the only other login I use is cats33 on another site. That’s it, I have no more.

  • Pi_Boson

    Yet another reason to throw out the intentionally deceit-based GOP bastards.

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    I notice you make a “distinction” between Consulate & Embassy…..your comment suggests any foreign workers in a Consulate probably require LESS security…their lives are NOT as “important.” Regardless, there are recommended (required) wall thicknesses in US installations in dangerous areas of the world, in order to “buy time” for reinforcements to arrive and defend in case of an attack. Obama has been in White House for almost 4 years…more than enough time to recognize the dangers to our personnel in ALL middle eastern countries. But Obama believes he can “make friends” with Muslims & Islamists, which is obviously not the case, as we see over and over! His foreign policy IQ is ZERO!

    • If you’re so concerned about the security of the USA consulates & embassies,then why aren’t you up arms by and calling your Republican Congressman and stating your outrage for they are the ones who cut the State Dept., budget,which includes security for these places, to the tune of 221 million+…

      I guess facts mean nothing to you..You’re just blinded by your stupid ideology…

      • middleclasstaxpayer

        If Michelle Obama can take a vacation to Spain (last year) along with 70 odd friends and staff, estimated to have cost the taxpayers almost $1.6 MILLION dollars, I think the administration could have found the money to protect our consulate workers, especially after repeated death threats and bombings.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Oh Fuc you middle, Obama’s vacation has nothing to do with this discussion. Go and collect your Republican paycheck and play with your video game and let the adults have a rational discussion.

    • Justin Napolitano

      You too did not read the article did yo middle? If you had you would notice that the State Department budget for hardening Embassies and Consulates was reduced by the Republican Congress. Do you not know how to read or are you just illiterate?

  • ObozoMustGo

    Henry Decker, useful idiot du jour, gets the orders to carry the Obozo water again. Congrats Hank, you must be so proud of yourself. The chosen useful idiot of the day for the Obozo campaign propaganda machine must be an honor.

    However, I am here to set the record straight for all of you leftist freaks and useful idiots that believe Obozo’s narrative. The truth about Libya can be found in the following timeline. These are the facts laid out chronologically. Everyone of these items happened. Hat tip to Helle Dale from The Foundry at Heritage.
    The latest incriminating information on the U.S. consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya indicates that the State Department turned down a request for additional security from concerned U.S. embassy staff.

    New evidence shows there were security threats in Libya in the months prior to the deadly September 11 attack that killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. Despite these threats, the State Department left its personnel there to fend for themselves.

    And when the terrorist attack did take place, the Obama Administration peddled the ridiculous story that an offensive, amateurish, anti-Islam YouTube video was to blame in order to avoid characterizing the murders of four Americans as terrorism.

    On October 2, a letter was sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R–CA) and Jason Chaffetz (R–UT), Chairman of the National Security, Homeland Defense and Foreign Operations Subcommittee. The letter detailed 13 known security threats against U.S. facilities in Libya in the six months prior to September 11.

    On October 10, the committee will hold a hearing on events in Libya and seek answers from the State Department. Also on October 10, The Heritage Foundation will host a public panel discussion on the events in Libya titled, “Intelligence and Security Failure: Attacks in Benghazi and Across the Middle East Reveal Ongoing Threat of Terrorism.”

    To help our readers follow the path to tragedy on September 11 and its aftermath, below is a chronology of key events:

    April 6: IED thrown over the fence of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi.

    April 11: Gun battle erupts between armed groups two-and-a-half miles from the U.S. Consulate, including rocket-propelled grenades.

    April 27: Two South African contractors are kidnapped by armed men, released unharmed.

    May 1: Deputy Commander of U.S. Embassy Tripoli’s Local Guard Force is carjacked, beaten, and detained by armed youth.

    May 1: British Embassy in Tripoli is attacked by a violent mob and set on fire. Other NATO embassies attacked as well.

    May 3: The State Department declines a request from personnel concerned about security at the U.S. Embassy in Libya for a DC-3 plane to take them around the country.

    May 22: Two rocket-propelled grenades are fired at the Benghazi office of the International Committee of the Red Cross, less than 1 mile from the U.S. Consulate.

    June 6: A large IED destroys part of the security perimeter of the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. Creates hole “big enough for 40 men to go through.”

    June 10: A car carrying the British ambassador is attacked in Tripoli. Two bodyguards injured.

    Late June: The building of the International Red Cross attacked again and closed down, leaving the U.S. flag as the only international one still flying in Benghazi, an obvious target.

    August 6: Armed assailants carjack a vehicle with diplomatic plates operated by U.S. personnel.

    September 8: A local security officer in Benghazi warns American officials about deteriorating security.

    September 11: Protesters attack the U.S. Cairo embassy. U.S. Embassy releases statement and tweets sympathizing with Muslim protesters/attackers.

    September 11: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya is attacked, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans are killed.

    September 12: Secretary Clinton and President Obama issue statements condemning both the video and the attacks.

    September 12: U.S. intelligence agencies have enough evidence to conclude a terrorist attack was involved.

    September 13: Press Secretary Jay Carney condemns video and violence at a news conference.

    September 14: Carney denies Administration had “actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.”

    September 14: The bodies of slain Americans return to Andrews Air Force Base. President Obama again blames the YouTube video.

    September 16: U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice appears on Sunday talk shows and says the attacks were provoked by the video, exclusively.

    September 16: Libyan President Mohamed Magarief says, “no doubt that this [attack] was preplanned, predetermined.”

    September 17: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland refuses to call attacks an act of terror.

    September 19: CNN reports having found Ambassador Stevens’s diary, which indicates concern about security threats in Benghazi.

    September 19: Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Matthew Olsen tells Congress the attack in Libya was “terrorism.”

    September 20: Carney tries to back up Olsen, says it was “self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.”

    September 20: Obama refuses to call attack terrorism, citing insufficient information.

    September 21: Secretary of State Clinton, at meeting with Pakistani Foreign Minister, says, “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack.”

    September 25: On ABC’s “The View,” Obama says, “we don’t have all of the information yet so we are still gathering.”

    September 25: To the U.N. assembly, Obama blames “A crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.”

    September 26: Libya’s Magarief on the “Today” show says, “It was a preplanned act of terrorism directed against American citizens.”

    September 26: Published reports show U.S. Intel agencies and the Obama Administration knew within 24 hours that al-Qaeda affiliated terrorist were involved.

    September 27: Innocence of Muslims filmmaker Mark Basseley Youseff (aka Nakoula Basseley Nakoula) is arrested and denied bail on the charges of “probation violation.”

    September 28: Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper, Jr., issues a statement backing the Obama Administration’s changing story about the Libyan attack. Says facts are evolving.

    October 2: Carney declines to comment on reported requests from diplomats in Libya for additional security, citing the State Department’s internal investigation.

    And the lies continue to this very moment. The Obozo regime WILL NOT admit that this was a terrorist attack. Obozo will not admit to radical Islamic terrorism. WHY?

    Have a nice day!

    “Blaming a 2-bit film for radical islamic violence is like blaming forks for obesity” – ObozoMustGo

    • curious11

      RIGHT ON!

    • bobbreinig

      wow it looks long and involved ,, but with that stupid name i don’t bother to read anything you say i just colapse it

    • Justin Napolitano

      Anything you post Obozo is suspect. You are a republican hack and get paid for posting your crap. We all know that so go away, far away. Most of us are very tired of your useless BS.

    • Just a small note – On 9/12/12 President Obama used the words terror attacks.

      Maybe you should adjust your little diatribe – facts matter. If you would like to look up the clip I do know it was shown on the Maddow Show that night in a very good segment on what happened in Benghazi.

  • docb

    Old whore for the lord chaffetz and the arson and crook issa outed CIA locations and operatives..while wasting the tax payers dollars on their partisan BS! The evidence is not in completely and the CIA is outed..Chaffetz was in Tripoli ONE HALF A DAY…Not even in Benghazi !

    I have not been in years but have a Int lawyer friend that just came back and the rebels will not lay down their arms… security is bleak and the leftover mercenaries are goading the rebels and the left over Gaddaffi soldiers are coming out of hiding! Stevens was a friend to the Libyans.

    The repubs in the House DEFUNDED the Embassy security By $1.2 Billion over the past 2 years….Additioanlly, ALL employees are equal as to importance because they are US lives protecting our interests IN COUNTRY!

  • Issa said, the day after Obama took office, that he was going to hold more hearings. It is so sad, that when something happens, that should incur the outrage of both parties and they should be non-partison, that people like Issa have to use it for political fodder.

  • latebloomingrandma

    Republican congresses have alway favored the DOD over the Dept of State. What about the fact that DOD has more musicians in the military bands than State has diplomats? If they’re going to downsize Big Bird away as “nice to have, but not necessary”, then I would think all the musicians would be included in this philosophy. If you are given x amount of dollars in your security budget, and you have numerous hot spots all over the world to cover, how do you slice that budget up? It’s always easy to be a critic looking in the rear view mirror. Congress needs to look into theirs also. Penny wise and pound foolish.
    But to state that this President is lax on terrorism is just not paying attentiion. As a liberal, I’m real queasy hearing about these drones killing all over the place. It’s such a difficult issue, this killing of terrorists. In 2001, 10 year old boys are now 2012’s terrorists. It’s like trying to kill the Hydra—chop off one head and 2 re-grow. How to we kill our way out of this? Obama keeps killing the alQaeda leadership, yet new ones keep growing in different countries. A continuous game of whack-a-mole. How does this all end? Sen. McCain harps on about “victory”. What does victory look like? The US often seems like an irritant, our presence in their lands where it is not wanted. Yet our presence is necessary so we are not caught off guard again. The President has a difficult line to walk. I am fearful Romney is not up to this type of analyzing. He likes facts, data, and certainty. Personally , I feel that the Dept of State’s soft power is of equal importance to the DOD’s weapons. Maybe it’s time to try it.

  • curious11

    POTUS is already and has been for some time “discredited.”. POTUS has proven to be incompetent and thinks by parading around Hollywood and late night talk shows he can maintain favor with voters. Media around the world have reported our Ambassador was brutally sodomized and dragged before being killed , all the while POTUS and his state dept and communications cohorts looked to a stupid video to blame. I mean this POTUS has been a stunning failure! Yesterday I also read that his wedding ring is inscribed with “There is no God but Allah!”. That’s one more gasping lie this “Lord of the Ring” should be made to answer to!

    • hilandar1000

      This post exemplifies a new LOW — even for right wing nutcases. Their motto is “Make up any totally off-the-wall statement you can manage to think up in your devious little mind” to try to discredit our president”.

      • curious11

        The world press, easily accessible on the Internet is a sure place to gain clarity! Try crawling out of your MSNBC habitat and you will see that the POTUS has more than one bunbury!

        • hilandar1000

          Bunbury??? — are we speaking English here? Really, Curious, — Have you ever listened to MSNBC or read World Press? Unlike you, I do listen to all sides — although the lies of Faux News does tend to make one a bit nauseous. By the way, I found nothing but good things about Obama on the World Press Site. Perhaps you should read it before implying that it in any way supports anything you have to say. Here is a summary of the World Press article on our President:
          “The US President elected with a mandate for change will focus relentlessly on meeting domestic challenges and managing international issues. President Barack Obama faces special challenges in Africa because of great expectations from Africa, especially from its downtrodden and the poor. The practical reality is that President Obama will have his hands full with turning around the economy and creating new jobs at home. However, the US President has considerable latitude and range to influence policies that can change lives across the world. Through specific goals, principles for action, and unambiguous strategies discussed in this article, President Obama can meet expectations from Africa while taking care of priorities at home.”

          World Press seems to have a more realistic view of our president than you do. Thanks for suggesting it.

          • curious11

            Hey bimbo I said world press, not the pronoun. Check out Reuters, AP, Univision, WSJ, Arab News, La Prensa, Universal, BBC, CM, Drudge, LATIMES, Australia Times, ..and the list goes on.. But try to read more…you sound stupid!

          • hilandar1000

            How very interesting that YOU — who don’t seem to know the difference between a PRONOUN and a PROPER NOUN would call someone else STUPID! As a matter of fact I do read and travel quite extensively and I can tell you that Obama is thought of in most countries with respect and admiration — quite a refreshing contrast when compared to their reaction to Bush or Romney. I would recommend that you read a bit more as well, so that in the future you might be able to discuss some issues of relevance instead of having to rely on rumors regarding the inscriptions that may or may not be on the Obama wedding ring, although I realize this is probably quite a hot topic among you and other back-woods illiterates.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Try crawling back into the sh** hole you climbed out of, curious.

    • Oh, really…How about that warmonger,illiterate GW Bush,who lied this country into illegal-immoral wars with thousands dead, and you have the “balls” talk about a president(Obama) being discredited? No worse president in the history of the USA than GW Bush….Shut the “hell-up about the Allah reference..Bastante ya,idiota…

    • Justin Napolitano

      We have read this GD crap before, curious, so shut your mouth you filthy pig. You don’t know a single thing about what happened. I hope someone broadcasts your death so we can see how a pathetic POS dies. I think your wedding ring is inscribed, “Tonight I get to rape my wife”.

  • Congressman Issa is not crediable and his hearings are partisan theatre. The State Department is investigating and our intelligence forces on on it. What purpose could a Congressional Hearing serve at this point. The people who have pertinent information are not going to share it on C span while the investigation is on going.

    It is amazing that the President has accomplished anything with this Congress. Why would we reward bad (and in my mind unpatriotic) behavior by giving them the White House?

    • The hearings are to discredit the President. The same thing the Holder hearings were for. Issa is not a good American, he is a tea party whack job.

      • Justin Napolitano

        He should be prosecuted for treason


    HEY MAGGIE—-These are the FACTS!!!!

    We now know that Obama himself was AWARE that Stevens requests for more security had been denied BY his administration:

    The Obama Administration, has been proven time and again to be SERIAL LIARS and beyond reproach!!

    We know that not only did Obama NOT give Ambassador Chris Stevens more security as he had repeatedly asked for, but that he actually CUT Steven’s security prior to the attack on the compound which led to his murder and to the murders of three other Americans:
    The evidence is so overwhelming that this is a lie and a cover-up that far exceeds ANYTHING that ever happened in Watergate. Obama should not only be forced out of office, he should be criminally prosecuted just as he wanted to criminally prosecute the brave CIA officials whose “crime” was doing their duty in waterboarding three terrorists (who ultimately gave us Osama bin Laden).
    Mitt Romney needs to punch Obama in the face with these facts and simply keep on punching him so that the American people may know just how utterly depraved Barack Obama is in the murder of the first United States Ambassador to be murdered since Jimmy Carter held the title of “most failed president in history.”

    The real smoking gun here is whether the Obama administration was warned in advance that al-Qaeda was planning an attack. A number of Israeli newspapers have suggested that Washington was warned as early as September 4 – a week earlier – that the environment in Benghazi was becoming increasingly hostile and anti-American, while in London the Foreign Office took the decision to withdraw all its consular staff from Benghazi two months before the murders.

    Two-hundred and thirty documented security incidents in Libya. That’s right: 230 documented security incidents prior to Obama pulling out the security team that could have saved Ambassador Stevens’ and the other Americans lives:

    Are you Libs getting this? STOP TRYING TO TURN IT AROUND!!!!

    Do you understand how truly despicable and reckless Barack Hussein Obama’s conduct was?

    • Sand_Cat

      Another “All American” neo-Nazi projects his own stupidity and arrogance on the president.

      Let’s see your comments on the fact the the Bush “administration was warned in advance that al-Qaeda was planning an attack,” or George W. Bush’s record as a “serial liar”, considered unbreakable until Romney came on the scene.

      And the signature WORSE THAN WATERGATE charge, lacking in the sense necessary to see that – since you and your friends have steadfastly maintained in one form or another that Watergate was nothing, is essentially meaningless coming from you.

      Face it:
      You’ll never live down Watergate until you face the facts and admit it was a serious crime, no matter how many Democrats you claim did worse, even if you manage to find one who actually did, which you haven’t so far.

      You’ll never be able to criticize any Democrat’s foreign policy without admitting that George W. Bush blew it on 9/11 and pretty much everything else having to do with foreign policy throughout his entire 8 years. Not without looking like the craven hypocrite you (and your “conservative” lunatic fellow-cultists) are.


        These are the FACTS!!!

        The Clinton administration witnesses faced difficult questions at the hearings about why they did not do more to deal with Qaeda immediately after the Cole attack and the discovery the previous winter that Qaeda terrorists had come close to coordinated attacks timed to the Dec. 31, 1999, festivities for the new millennium.
        The testimony could also prove uncomfortable for the commission, since Mr. Zelikow is now the executive director of the bipartisan panel. And the Clinton administration officials came under tough questioning about their own performance in office and why they did not do more to respond to the terrorist threat in the late 1990’s.
        So then Bill Clinton a man who was busy seducing a fat intern while Al Qaeda launched it’s war on the United States has the sheer audacity to claim that President Bush has forgotten about Bin Gone.
        kiddies if you want to be a world class liar then you must make up the most outrageous sorts of lies. And Bill “the meaning of is” Clinton’s only legacy to the country is his legendary ability to tell people what they want to hear no matter how far away from the truth he must stray.
        So then let’s review what was going on during the time that Bill Clinton was finding the right size cigar for his overweight intern’s secret places. He was getting the threats from Al Qaeda. Then Bush barley in office they attack.

        It was already planned and in place when Bush stepped in!!!!!!!

        • Justin Napolitano

          This article is not about Bill Clinton, stupid, it is about Issa and his ridicules committees that have no purpose other than to try and find something to embarrass the President. Issa is a traitor and should be prosecuted.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Go back to sniffing glue alllll, you are becoming more and more incomprehensible.

  • CAThinker

    Issa is an embarrassment and it pains me that he hails from a community about 25 miles north of me off of I5… This is the same moron that ousted Grey Davis here and cried when he found out that Arnold was going to get the republican nod for governor instead of him… What a worthless POS this guy is… By the way, he got caught doing some real estate shenanigans here (just as I was wondering how does one get rich, or richer, while serving in the legislature) so this guy is no boy scout and his holier than thou attitude makes me want to punch him square in the face. He, and his kind, embody what is wrong with our government…

  • peteserb

    Another distortion bt the Memo. It must be difficult to put a new spin on presidential ineptitude. Why not just say the president and his cronies lied? We hope he’ll soon quit lying. The shame of the Libya debacle does not go unnoticed even by the moronic left.

    • Sand_Cat

      Speaking of morons…
      You “comment” is nothing but more right-wing projection of their own attitudes, actions, and failures on the [largely non-existent] “left,” moronic or otherwise.

      If you had any sense, you’d see that Obama is more of a moderate Republican than a “Socialist,” and that he couldn’t possibly be more inept than George W. Bush was, or Romney is likely to be, should we suffer the misfortune of a Repugnant win in November.

      Did you write about the gross negligence of the Bush administration in ignoring warnings prior to 9/11, or the ineptitude of W? I thought not.

      Why don’t you crawl back under your rock with the other slime?

    • Justin Napolitano

      Did you not read the article, peter? Did you not read about the cuts in embassy security? Are you incapable of reading comprehension?
      The president, personally, does not look at security for the hundreds or thousands of embassies and consulates but relies on congress to put forth the funds that are requested to enable such security. The Republicans are despicable beyond belief in that they would try to use the death of a ambassador for political gain. Issa is a …. you pick the word, I am out of adjectives.

  • Seriously, AllllAmerican? Check those facts. It is incredibly and sadly unfortunate that these deaths occurred, but the focus on this incident in isolation and for political leverage cheapens the lives and even the survivors of these and the thousands more who have died while serving their country in places known to be ones in harms way. Pardon me, but do the soldiers’ lives in Iran and Afghanistan that were lost any less than these? I respect all survivors inclusively and admire the courage of the four people in Benghazi. Your families are in my prayers.

  • Sand_Cat

    Was there ever any doubt about where Issa’s motivations lie?

  • Canistercook

    Solution is easy just produce the facts. Result ‘witch hunt’ over.

  • Issa gets more face time in the media. That is what he craves above all else. The man is just another rich phony taking up space in Congress. Two years of endless investigations amounting to nothing but witchhunts. Why do all of these government haters run for office in the first place?

    • Replying to Lynda.

      BECAUSE THEY ARE REPUBLICANS. If they can take up the space, they block a Democrat from getting it. Then they can gleefully waste money and time, and blame it all on Obama.

  • It seems that this congressman will continue his witch hunt regardless even when he’s told that it was leading nowhere and there was no problem. He is the problem and his republican/tea party nuts that will do anything to embarrass the president. When is he going to start apologizing for the wasted time he used in Congress. Hey California, wake up and vote for a congressman who will be there for the people of your state. You may even say that all the time wasted, doesn’t that cost money??????

  • nomaster

    More and continuous new lies with a twist. Issa has always towed the lie as the main carrier of the torch for decietulness.

  • Lovefacts

    Dominick, Your right, marines aren’t usually at the counsulate. Beginning in the 1980’s, we started upgrading out embassies and counsulates. I served in three of them being upgraded. We had upgraded the majority and were working on the rest when Obama was elected. Unfortunately, the Republican controlled House, has cut $4-5Billion dollars from the retrofit budget since since they won back the House. So, who is a fault that the consulate in Benghazi wasn’t secure? I’d say the Republicans who claimed these retrofits weren’t needed.


    Here was a man who held the second most powerful position in the world, and not only abused that power, but deliberately outed a CIA operative as retaliation against Joe Wilson for TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!




    Tell Us the Secret

    Rep. Issa, tell us how you do it. That is speak with some intelligence with your head tucked firmly up your butt.

  • emadis41

    Playing politics with the victims is not new to the GOP, they voted to cut the embasies security funds in half, and then cry foul? Let it be clear that the embassies security is actually trusted to the host nation, and Libya has no much of a security apparatus after the revolution. The disgraced Gaddafy security apparatus was disolved because of excessive violations of basic citizens rights.
    Taken example form the repeated attacks on the the the fortified Baghdad Embassy Compound, the attack on the Benghazi consulate could not be prevented, even if we errected a high wall around the consulate, even if we beefed its security, as long as Libya is not secure.
    Mr. Romney recently cried about throwing Mubarak under the bus, well, democracy has a price, and freedom has its price too. In the end democracy rewards will overcome all its shortcomings, and the people of the region will come to recognize our friendship and support.

  • oldtack


    Get your head out of your ass so you can see, hear, and possibly think. That is unless all that time with your head up your Ass hasn’t destroyed your brain.

  • oldtack

    What can I say. You sound sooo miffed. My goodness!

    Just more gas from the gas bag.

  • Sounds like Gingrich vs Clinton all over again – a total waste of money and time when according to Repuks we are broke and running out of time.

  • Where in the world did you get that rediculous figure?? Three GOP presidents are responsible for the number you quoted: Reagan and the two Bushes. Bush passed onto Obama 1.3 trillion in deficit in his 10/1/2008 to 9/30/2009 budget. Obama has added less than two trillion to that. Spending under Obama is the lowest in decades. The GOP is brainwashing everyone to get out from under the enormous deficit load that they’ve created with all their unfunded leglislaltion in the past 10 years: two unfunded tax cuts, an unfunded Medicare drug benefit giveaway to the drug industry, the unfunded no-child-left-behind law and on and on. Much of t he deficit increase under Obama has been just in keeping the country running because so many people lost their jobs under Bush that tax revenues are down sharply. It’s not spending that’s the problem, it’s drastically decreased tax revenues because Bush trashed the economy so badly.

  • You obviously don’t know how to look things up> The deficit when Bush left was 10.6 trillion but he passed 1.3 trillion more onto Obama in his last budget. which brings him to at least 12 trillion and he also passed on constant deficit spending with his unfunded legislaltion which is good for at least another two trillion: Reagan and the two Bushes are into the deficit for at least 14 trillion and counting.

  • I agree they should start cleaning house starting with Darell Issa,we need more honest people in congress/senate fighting for us!

  • DoctorFeelgoodMD

    Milbank points out that Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan’s draconian budget — which would cut non-defense discretionary spending by almost 20 percent in 2014 — would result in more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.

  • I find it more than a mere coincidence that these protests and attacks happened right before the election. What happened to the claim by the Egyptian prime minister that some of the protesters/terrorist were paid? The Republicans are so despicable I would put nothing past them. They operate on lies, propaganda, political terrorism, and scare tactics. How could anyone in their right mind vote for these people? They watch Fox news and drool like rabid dogs.

  • Yu show me a Republican who wants the truth and I show yu the Virgin Mary

  • Rep. Daryl ‘Ice-hole’ is a political fool and treasonous one at that.

  • Why don’t we push for Congress to pass a law requiring that any member making obvious false statement will have to, in public and in a short time period, apologize to the American people. The number of lies would be presented with the representative’s name, like Mr x 155, Mrs y 3000, etc. Because lying became part of the political landscape, it does not legitimize it and we, the people, deserve better.

  • Two years ago isshole was preaching for jobs = where are the jobs?
    we still have eyes, ears and common sense. Obama 2012

  • When I hear the term “Arab Terrorist”, Darrell Issa is the first thing that comes to mind.

  • Reading comments on here is like reading the comics in the Sunday paper! Are you people really this stupid?

  • this is a witch hunt lets talk about what comlisa rice knew

  • silverbelle

    Late on this, I know. Maybe Issa should go back to stealing cars…oh, wait. He wasn’t very good at that either.