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Monday, October 24, 2016

Arkansas Republican ‘Most Likely Won’t Try To Kill’ Lawmakers Who Support Medicaid Expansion

Arkansas Republican ‘Most Likely Won’t Try To Kill’ Lawmakers Who Support Medicaid Expansion

Arkansas may become the first red state to accept the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, which the Supreme Court made optional in its decision last year, if the Department of Health and Human Services accepts its privatized plan.

(Of course, the states turning down Medicaid expansion are generally the ones that need it most.)

The notion of expanding government to improve health care outcomes apparently drove Chris Nogy of the Benton County Republican Committee a little nutty. In a recent newsletter, he encouraged his fellow Republicans to seek “Second Amendment” solutions against those who had voted for for the expansion, and expressed dismay that he can’t actually back up these threats:

We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us [know] that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.  It seems that we are unable to muster that belief in any of our representatives on a state or federal level, but we have to have something, something costly, something that they will fear that we will use if they step out of line.  If we can’t shoot them, we have to at least be firm in our threat to take immediate action against them politically, socially, and civically if they screw up on something this big. Personally, I think a gun is quicker and more merciful, but hey, we can’t.

Nogy’s wife is the group’s secretary and she claims the article was placed in the newsletter without her husband’s approval.

Medicaid expansion will provide health insurance for up to 250,000 Arkansans, ultimately saving dozens if not hundreds of lives, while driving down the costs of the state’s insured —  who already subsidize the uninsured through higher rates.

Most of Arkansas’ estimated uninsured 401,100 are working families who simply can’t afford coverage.

Several Arkansas Republicans made it clear that they were appalled by Nogy’s comments.

“I’m embarrassed for the Benton County Republican Committee for including this article in their newsletter,” said State Senator Jon Woods (R). “I would think the Benton County Committee would have better judgment and not allow this to be sent out.”

The Benton County Republican Committee offered a statement:

“The letter was not approved and Mr. Nogy had no authority to submit it through the newsletter. As a committee, we respect the right of our legislators to vote based on their knowledge and feedback from the voters they represent. We will discuss this issue further with our executive committee.”

Nogy later clarified his comments in a letter to KFSM News.

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  • Michael Kollmorgen

    Anyone using the 2nd Amendment as an excuse to go out and kill someone, just because they don’t agree with the target, should be tried for Treason as an enemy of the state, executed in the most gruesome means possible and in public.

    Slow Torture would suit me just fine.

    • Mimihaha

      You don’t think that’s as overboard as these idiots? Because I do. If they try to kill someone, arrest them and try them for attempted murder. If they kill someone, arrest them and try them for murder.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        NO, I don’t think my view is overboard at all. In fact, it’s right on the mark.

        Make the punishment for killing an elected official so horrid, no one in the right might would attempt it.

        This is, by rights, what the policy for “any” Capital Crime should be.

  • I advocate a serious political and social stand, an assured and negative response to anyone who would threaten a legislator with bodily harm becuase they did not agree with a vote.
    Some people have a tenuous hold on rationality and proportionality. That they have risen to positions of any importance is one of the shames of our democratic government. Thankfully, this affliction is much more prevalent on the right than on the left.

    • charleo1

      Well said!

  • Lynda Groom

    Well isn’t that special. Now they believe that killing opponents may not actually be a good thing. I feel so much better about these creatures now…NOT!

  • dtgraham

    This is a surprise? How many times have you seen that exact sentiment expressed by conservatives here at the Memo and at any political blog site. The theory is that the only thing preventing the U.S. gov’t (or any gov’t) from going Pol Pot on it’s citizens is the lack of gun restrictions, resulting in people being armed to the teeth with rapid fire weapons. That keeps the gov’t honest you know. I must have read that a thousand times. It’s some kind of kooky urban legend among the right and not just the loony right either. It’s been completely accepted and I’ve seen it expressed by accomplished people.

    Sure it’s nuts, and it never seems to occur to them that every armed insurrection by every group, within the continental United States, has been put down by American law enforcement in every case. From Koresh on down. There’s a slight difference in firepower, technology, and sophistication there. No Billy Bob, you and your unregulated militia buddies have no chance. Funny thing also that much stricter gun control measures from Europe to Australia to Japan to Canada haven’t made those areas any less democratic at all. Still solid, representative, democracies all. Still part of the free world with free people after all these years. That never seems to occur them either.

    We can laugh at them but there’s an infantile, ill informed, dangerous, paranoid crazyness about the political right any more that needs to start concerning people. It’s not just bloggers now. The politicians are beginning to just come out and say it. Both this guy and Sharron Angle want to use second amendment remedies on politicians that you don’t like, and this guy drops the euphemism momentarily and simply declares that we should “shoot” them. Bachmann wanted her constituents “armed and dangerous” regarding Obamacare and Palin wanted her supporters “locked and loaded” with regards to some Democrat running a few years back, and then put circled targets on Gabriele Gifford’s, and other’s, campaigns. There have been plenty of other examples of this from Republicans. This needs to start being taken seriously by reasonable people because it is serious. There’s a trend there.

  • The most fascinating facet of issues like this is that the same people who do not hesitate to threaten those who support the will of the majority are the same ones that claim to be supporting the Constitution and democrary!

    Regarding the issue of Obamacare, several red states are leaning towards the expansion of MEDICAID to fund it. Even Florida, whose Republican controlled legislature and Governor initially rejected are now debating which private enterprise should administer the Federal dollars needed to pay for the new program. I guess they concluded that instead of rejecting billions of dollars, the way to go is figure out how to get their cut and run.

    • charleo1

      Brilliant. Especially on the Constitution, and democracy.

  • atc333

    “We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us [know]
    that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in
    power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting
    them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as

    Wow! Perhaps those Federal legislators who either voted for, or passively enabled the GOP to accomplish their massive “redistribution of wealth from the 98% to the top 2% over the past 25 years should take notice? Consider the consequences of their actions: Today, the top 2% own over 46% of all the wealth of America, up from only 8% back in 1969, and minimum wage has less than 70% of the purchasing power of what it did 30 years ago. No wonder almost 50% of all Americans now live at, just above, or below the poverty level.

    Bottom line is that “statement” is a very troubling view of Democracy and its “implementation” by the Right Wing of the GOP.

  • stcroixcarp

    This guy needs to actually read the second amendment. “AMENDMENT 11:Right to bear arms

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
    The second is about protecting the STATE from threats by means of a well regulated militia, not about threatening and murdering public officials. Actually, this guy could be in violation of the second amendment. Call out the National Guard.

    • ralphkr

      Notice that they all ignore that the first time the 2nd Amendment was used was to use the militia to put down a rebellion against a federal tax. So much for it being meant as a bulwark AGAINST federal power. For those of you a bit foggy about US history I am referring to the Whiskey Tax Rebellion of 1791 and the fact that George Washington led a militia army to put it down.

  • JohnRNC

    Now that’s a productive solution to our current state of legislative gridlock. Arm the Congress and during “debate”, if somebody says something you don’t like, then just shoot ’em. The party with the most people still standing will win the vote

    I’m beginning to think that these conservatives are right about Darwin. I see no evidence of evolution in our species.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      When it comes to a lot of these types of issues, evolution takes more than a few steps BACKWARDS.

    • latebloomingrandma

      They are living 2 centuries too late. They should have been around when there were duels.

  • JohnRNC

    Why not just re-write the Bill of Rights and bump #2 up to #1 and go from there:

    #1: I git to have whatever kinda gun I want an’ as miny as I kin pay fer on credit. An’ ammo is free.

    #2: Ev’body kin be whatever kinda Christ’chin they wanna be as long as they foller the

    #3: I git to shoot Anybody who don’t agree with #1 & #2, and Anybody else who don’t agree with my pints o’view.

    Feel free to add you own amendments…

    • JDavidS

      Further to point 2… Ane the bible sezs that the world be only 6 thousand year old ane Adam and Eve musta walked with them thar dinysores…so ta hell with any science at sezs diffrunt…ta hell with science anyways. Global warmin’, my ass.

    • You are sooooo right!! LOL

  • latebloomingrandma

    How is this legislator’s comment any different than thwarting a a “terrorist” plot? The would-be terrorist would be in jail and charged with threatening a catastrophe. How is this Republican with the threatening remarks still walking around free?

  • charleo1

    This guy’s comments reminds me a bit of Saddam Hussein. In fact,
    if Hussein had been born in this country, his brutal, take no prisoners brand
    of fear based politics, would have stood him in good stead with today’s
    Republican Party. Hussein followed his Uncle into politics, joining the
    minority Baath Party. Where his ability to be totally ruthless, worked well,
    with his natural inclination for violence. The higher ups in his Party, quickly
    recognized the usefulness of having a guy like Hussein around to intimidate,
    or eliminate political enemies. In a few years Saddam had managed to claw
    his way to the top. Mainly by simply being willing to be more vicious than
    anyone around him. Then, he was addressing the body politic, of Iraq. As the
    unchallenged head of the now powerful Baath Party. As he spoke, he would
    call out by name those who had opposed in the past. Then, a couple of
    fellows dressed in the uniform of the Iraqi military, and with the entire political
    structure watching, would each take an arm, and remove this person
    from the assembly. As Saddam continued to speak, the sounds of a firing
    squad could be clearly heard just outside the chamber. As Saddam talked
    of the Iraqi greatness that he was going to bring to fruition, he would call
    another name, and again, the soldiers would appear. Now, if we want that for
    our Country here, in America, we can have that. This Congressman’s comments
    are not unique, or by any means uncommon with the radicals, and extremist that
    managed to place themselves into seats of power, in the 2010, elections.
    They have also worked tirelessly to consolidate their power by gerrymandering
    districts, in every State. This T-Party crap. We like to laugh at them, first for their
    preposterousness, then again, at their seeming, total unawareness that they are indeed, preposterous. But, if we look deeper at their mindset. And the place from
    where their ideas, and the vision they have for the Country comes from. And the
    damage they’ve already managed to do the Country’s economy. They are no
    laughing matter.

    • sigrid28

      Publish this near and far. How appropriate that one of the wittiest posters on the NM should point out that complacence about clumsy threats by buffoons like Nogy is “no laughing matter.” Samuel Beckett put it this way: “Nothing is as funny as unhappiness.”

      • charleo1

        As you very correctly point out, for any number of reasons, we don’t
        do mental health very well at all, in this country. From the horror stories
        of State institutions, at the turn of the last century, Where people were
        locked away, sometimes very sane people, were given lobotomies, or
        subjected to medical experiments. And, it was not until years after the Vietnam War, that Veterans advocacy groups, noting the high rate of substance abuse, suicide, divorce, and homelessness, among that group
        of men that had served in the war, did the VA finally agree to recognize,
        and treat PTSD, as a legitimate illness. Perhaps, the lack of, or slow
        rate of progress of dealing with our mentally ill, comes, in part, from the stigma attached to the individual seeking remedy. The notion that if one needed psychiatric care, they were most likely a nut, capable of anything. So employment opportunities decreased for those with any mental issue in
        their medical records. And, for those seeking a career in the military,
        it was the quickest way to get your one way ticket home.

        However, no single factor contributed more to the lack of mental care, in
        the Country, than Ronald Reagan’s penchant for cost shifting to the
        States, what the Federal Government had previously helped fund. For
        Reagan, it was the only method of cutting the Federal budget he would
        even consider. It was a hugely immoral, and irresponsible act of
        malfeasance on his part. Facilities treating the mentally ill, closed their
        doors all across the Country. Simply turning patients out, in some cases,
        it amounted to putting adults with the functioning ability of 10 year olds
        out on the street to fend for themselves. I would conclude, as a matter
        of conscience, I would never give my support to an organization, capable
        of such cruel, inhumanity.

        • sigrid28

          Not to make us feel any worse, but your post does remind me that of the 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. annually, 20,000 of them are suicides, a significant proportion of them among veterans. Mental health parity may not help them as much as others suffering from depression and PTSD, however, because veterans receive treatment through the VA, which has a backlog of 900,000 waiting to qualify for disability benefits. This is such a shame, because treatment for depression and even PTSD, with adequate supervision, can be very successful these days, thanks to new medications; a special tier of therapists staffed by licensed social workers, leaving psychiatrists to diagnose and prescribe medications; and greater recognition of depression as a common mental illness that does not necessarily result in lifelong disability. We can take some solace in the fact that there has been immense progress in the fields of psychiatry, the neurosciences, and the behavioral sciences, especially in the last fifty years. We will all be much better off when the general public eventually catches up with these advances, becoming more sophisticated and more tolerant at the same time.

          • charleo1

            Here’s the lethal mix. Sitting alone, heart broken. Thinking
            obsessively of the one, and only person in the world, that could
            possibly make life worth living. A bottle of booze, “That song,” blasting
            out of the stereo. You had both agreed, was fate, that it was playing
            that day you found each other. Now, is playing on a loop, on the
            player, and in your mind, over, and over. And it is impossible to stop either one. And, you have that gun. The one you bought after that
            spate of break-ins in the apartment building across the way. Just
            for insurance, of course. Just in case. But lately you have been
            thinking of the gun in an entirely different way. Not seriously at first.
            Not while there was hope. She could call. But you know she will not.
            And the irony strikes you. That knowing her so well, had once brought
            so much happiness. But now, brought only black.

          • sigrid28

            I’m not that kind of doctor. I don’t even play one on TV, but when I feel like this, I like to rent a copy of “Bridget Jones’s Diary.” You have to turn off “that song” to watch it (that alone could save your life), and then you can enjoy a lot of authentic English swearing, which always makes me feel chipper. There’s a loopy Tarts and Vicars’ party, and a pathetic British street fight over Bridget, at the end. Not feeling better yet? Then rent Woody Allen’s “Manhattan” to try on his version of the blues, to enjoy the cavalcade of bad choices that moves this comedy along. By doing so, you exchange that black mood for a movie in black-and-white. For once, enjoy negatives. Some of them actually turn the deepest black into the brightest light, by way of capturing a moment in time. Savor it.

          • charleo1

            To not to be that kind of doctor, you give some very good advise!
            Well said!

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      You fail to mention one main problem.

      If these idiots didn’t get elected, they would be powerless. That means, the people who elect them are the ones totally responsible for the way our country is today.

      Want proof? Look no further than the last election. Half the country dam near got Mitt Romney in as President, a man who is a Bishop of the Mormon Church.

      What does that tell you about at least half of the voting public? Not very much!

      • charleo1

        Obviously, you are absolutely right, if the people hadn’t voted for
        these ideologues, extremist, and let’s face it, certifiable loons,
        some of them, they wouldn’t be in sitting where they are. I will say,
        the 2010, election cycle, after the Citizens United verdict, the amount
        of money spent for an off year election, was unprecedented. And,
        so was the way that money was allowed to be allocated. So,
        I think a lot of the things that people had unconsciously used to
        qualify candidates, like a big campaign budget, slick ads, buzz
        in the press, could now be artificially recreated. A lot of the things
        people had kind of, wised up about by 2012. I believe, because I
        try to be optimistic. Voters are aware they are going to need
        to be more sophisticated, and more informed. And I hope they
        are going to be more demanding of both the press, and the
        candidates, to both ask, and get answer, to the important questions.
        But, if we’re unable, at the end of the day, to get the unbelievable
        amounts of money out of the political process, people, and the
        issues important to them, could become sidelined permanently.
        But, like they say, we shall see. Money influencing public policy,
        is a bit like a hole in the roof. When it’s raining, everyone realizes
        we have a problem. Then, the campaigns are over, and it’s back
        to business as usual, until the next rainy season.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          You’re right, we will have to watch and see if anything substantially changes.

          I’m very pessimistic though. Knowing people for what they really are, they have very short, and/or deliberately forgotten memories.

          And, while we’re still waiting for things to change, they’ll still be taking all of us right to the cleaners and beyond. Well, maybe not ALL of us, just the left over 90% of our population.

          The Top 10%, they don’t honestly care one way or the other. They make money either way. If they don’t make it here, they’ll just up and move somewhere else and do the same thing all over again. They “those people over there” will get suckered in like we have, for the next 300+ years before they finally wake up, IF they do. Mass Marketing has some of the best and sophisticated brainwashing techniques ever devised.

          In the meantime, we’ll de-evolve into a Third World County.

          I compare our problems here very similar to someone who has severe psychological problems. The Doc will tell you, it might take you as long to be “cured”, as it took for you to get sick. So, using this as an analogy with our economy and social problems, it might take us another 300+ years to get completely out of this mess we’re in.

          Personally, I doubt we can afford the doctor bill and we certainly don’t have the patience or time.

          • charleo1

            You’re pessimistic and I try to be optimistic. However, pessimism
            is the vehicle of change. As long as people say, well. I guess it’ll
            all work itself out, they do nothing, they remember nothing, and of
            course, nothing changes. Pessimism is uncomfortable. And it
            recognizes itself in other people immediately. It can be unifying.
            And it doesn’t need to be the stuff of revolution. Sometimes it’s
            just a short lived, inch deep, mile wide, movement called Occupy.
            Most of us did not quit our jobs, buy a tent, and go to NY.
            Yet, it changed the subject of the national conversation that was
            being managed by those 1%. It put a very smug, and confident,
            Republican Party, back on it’s heels. Boosted a confused, timid,
            Democratic Party. And gave them a winning message for 2012.
            That movement spring from good old fashion, pessimism.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            That’s one of the things that did start a national debate, the Occupy Movement.

            However, if this movement doesn’t become bigger and more radical, it will be seen as ineffective. As in my early years, I”m 63 now, we held massive demonstrations all over this country and succeeded in changing the course of the Viet Nam War, along with many social issues. Many of us got arrested, some even died for our causes.

            Just talk would have gone no where!

            Where we failed was that we didn’t keep the pressure up and just became as our parents were, ineffective. In another words, my generation has become lazy, greedy, self-centered – as bad if not worse than our parent’s generation over the passing years.

            The Status Quo is starting to rear it’s ugly head once again. The National Conscience needs to be jarred like never before, probably more now than at any other time in our history, save except for the civil war.

            As I’ve said many times here in the past, IF the same situation existed 100 years ago, there would be massive demonstration and riots in the streets. Our ancestors would have never tolerated what is going on today, back then.

            My only hope is that the Occupy Movement becomes much stronger and hopefully recaptures America’s Lost Balls.

          • charleo1

            Like they say, from your lips, to God’s ear. Something else you
            wrote in a previous comment, about these multi national corporations,
            that a lot of people in this country have yet to realize. They are
            essentially, economy wreckers, and government corruptors. In the
            first of several Republican debates, I was astounded, even for the
            Right Wingers, at the unabashed, I would call it, idolization, of the corporate entity. As each tried to outdo the last, in support of what
            could only be described as a, to do list, handed to the candidates
            before hand. One proposed lowering corporate taxes. The next,
            not to be outdone, offered eliminating the EPA, and the SEC, and
            excusing corporations from any tax obligation whatsoever. Of course,
            they all agreed, that before corporations would be the prolific job
            creators they could be, unions, social security, and government
            healthcare, the great usurpers of Capitalism, and the enemy of
            the free market, would have to go. Never saying, the real reason
            corporations moved out of the country, was the $60 dollar per
            month, foreign labor, that Americans were really going to have to
            compete with, before many of the jobs would return. And, to further
            demonstrate the truth of your observation, that corporates bleed
            dry their host, and move on. An article in, The Economists, reported
            pitched battles between Chinese workers, and Police, over wages,
            and working conditions. So, the new money is moving once again,
            to the more exploitable populations in Southeast Asia. Now, they

            can, and will do whatever is required for their stockholder’s profits.
            However, that should not mean we must, lay down, and die, to
            accommodate these corporations.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            It’s been the Capitalist Business Model which has created the Corporate Entity in the first place. When the Supreme Court basically gave Corporations “human rights”, that was when we should have figured out what our country stood for in reality. It just took 300 years to bring out in the open for all to see.

            It may soon come to pass where a mechanical Robot may have unlimited rights that you and I have don’t have. And, they can work 24 hours a day.

            Police Dogs have the same protections as a human law enforcement person does. Point a gun at a Police Dog, the Cops can and will kill you. Police forces are becoming Militarized and tools of the Corporation. The general public won’t stand a chance against them.

            I’m reading two very good books about this all. Al Gore; The Future and Naomi Kline; Shock Doctrine. Both of these books go in-depth way further than either one of us can go on this thread.

            These Corporations may soon structure our society in such a fashion, we the people, may have no other choice than to revolt and I don’t mean in a peaceful way either.

  • Lovefacts

    A lot of liberals and progressives own guns, too. My dh has several. However, everyone in the family knows how to shoot and about gun safety. These politicians need to remember that revolutions start when there’s a large gap between the haves and have nots along with a lot of rate. Initially, it’s the haves who catch the anger. Later, as always, the uneducated are worse off than before.

  • Mikey7a

    Nogy said “We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us [know] that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives. It seems that we are unable to muster that belief in any of our representatives on a state or federal level, but we have to have something, something costly, something that they will fear that we will use if they step out of line. If we can’t shoot them, we have to at least be firm in our threat to take immediate action against them politically, socially, and civically if they screw up on something this big. Personally, I think a gun is quicker and more merciful, but hey, we can’t.”

    So Mr. Nogy, since 90% of Americans believed that Background checks were a very good start to reducing gun violence, and YOU and your ilk made certain that the exact opposite happened, ummmm…
    should we do as you ask above?

    Just asking!

  • Hmmmm…so instead of voting them out you should shoot them out…is that what he said?
    I don’t care what he now says he meant I care about what he said period.
    You should too.

    And the letter wasn’t ‘approved’ and Mr. Nogy didn’t have authority to make his own position know? Now it will be studied in committee and here’s hoping no one brings it up again (we will).

  • CrankyToo

    Apparently, these Repugnican rednecks think it’s okay to espouse hatred and incite violence against elected officials, as long as you don’t promulgate your views for all to see. These people are dirtbags of the first order, and they’re the ones who should be taken out and shot. But since we can’t do that, we ought to thrown them underneath the jail.