By Jason Sattler

Boehner Demands Medicare, Social Security And Medicaid Cuts To Raise Debt Limit

August 27, 2013 12:44 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 402 Comments A+ / A-
Boehner Demands Medicare, Social Security And Medicaid Cuts To Raise Debt Limit

Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) vowed on Monday that any increase in the debt limit would require cuts to the “mandatory side” of government spending.

“Now, it’s time to deal with the mandatory side,” Boehner told the crowd at a fundraiser for Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) in Boise, Idaho. “I’ve made it clear that we’re not going to increase the debt limit without cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit.”

“Mandatory” government spending includes Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and government pensions, all programs that benefit senior citizens who — according to a recent poll from Democracy Corps — have begun to turn against the GOP.

“The president doesn’t think this is fair, thinks I’m being difficult to deal with” Boehner said. “But I’ll say this: It may be unfair but what I’m trying to do here is to leverage the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if left to its own devices. We’re going to have a whale of a fight.”

The Speaker clearly wanted the Republican donors in the audience to think he’s preparing a debt limit fight reminiscent of the 2011 crisis that cost the United States its AAA credit rating, triggered losses of more than 2,000 points on Wall Street and will cost taxpayers an estimated $19 billion over 10 years.

“I wish I could tell you it was going to be pretty and polite, and it would all be finished a month before we’d ever get to the debt ceiling. Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way,” Boehner added. “If this were easy to do, somebody over the last 20 or 30 years would have gotten it done. We’re going to do it this fall.”

Apparently, the Speaker doesn’t remember that the budget was actually in a surplus just over a decade ago. That’s a memory he probably wants to block out, since he went along with George W. Bush’s agenda that helped turn that surplus into a deficit of over a trillion dollars as Bush left office. The budget deficit this year is projected to be about half the deficit President Obama inherited.

Business Insider‘s Josh Barro points out that Boehner used a nearly identical line in December 2012 when talking about the debt limit: “Any debt limit increase would require cuts and reforms of a greater amount.” Republicans then quickly caved and raised the debt limit in exchange for the Senate passing a non-binding budget.

Secretary of the Treasury Jack Lew insisted on CNBC Tuesday morning that the president will not negotiate when it comes to the debt limit. He also said that the president would not accept any deal that defunds or delays Obamacare.

The Speaker’s latest comments could just be an attempt to distract members of his caucus who are intent on stopping Obamacare, as a ploy to keep the U.S. government open after September 30 — when the government runs out of current funding. Or he could be serious this time.

Regardless, the question remains whether he can get a majority of his caucus to go along with any plan that keeps the government functioning.

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  • docb

    Go screw yourself boneher and baggers..Tired of you screwing the Nation!

  • tdm3624

    Don’t mandatory cuts also include the bloated defense budget?

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

      Not if the Republicans can help it.

      • bikejedi

        Yeah like they didn’t accept defense cuts when Obama’s Sequestration took effect ?…You remember after Obama had a year and a half to come to the table and negotiate a deal but chose to go golfing ? He wrongly gambled the GOP would never call his Sequestration Bluff due to the defense cuts and they did . Your claim doesn’t hold water even through the lens of last year .

    • Annemb

      I would hope so.

    • bikejedi

      Or the even greater bloated Entitlement Budget ?

      • tdm3624

        From what I’ve researched it seems like Defense, Pensions, and Health account for close to 75% of federal expenditures. If we want to balance the budget, we should be looking at ALL three areas.

        • bikejedi

          Well from what I can tell 2/3 of the non discretionary budget is entitlement spending …So why don’t we cut in all of these areas . Defense I believe is about 20% of the budget but I think we can agree that EVERYTHING needs to be cut .

  • elw

    Boehner sounds like a spoiled 12 year old. He demands, give me a break he cannot even control his own Party members.

    • highpckts

      Boehner demands???? Who the hell is he that he thinks he can demand anything!! I have never felt such hatred as I do for these people right now! They care nothing for us or the USA!!!

      • Annemb

        x2

    • stcroixcarp

      Boehner is a failure.

    • idamag

      He looks like a hangover.

  • http://www.TheButchQueen.com/ BUTCH

    I call BS! Another attempt to strangle Obamacare. I can’t wait for they day Boner is no longer speaker. I’ve never felt such a gutteral urge to punch someone in the face. He’s the very definition of a LOSER.

    • Annemb

      Great post!

      I think he “rules” (not leads) in fear!

      • sunshine 3

        I think Cantor stands behind Boehner with a cattle prod during every public appearance and threatens to give him a shock should he say anything with which the tea partiers disagree.

        • Yvette White

          LMAO

        • Annemb

          I love your post! It makes sense.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Boehner is a piece of crap and so is that horse’s ass Ryan.

        • idamag

          And Boehner looks worried and Cantor looks smug.

    • bikejedi

      Yeah and maybe you can get Obama off the golf course and to the bargaining table before the debt ceiling needs to be raised again …It seems all he is capable of doing is making excuses and lying . Right now instead of negotiating like ANY other President would have done he is just laying the ground work for his PR Media and his cult like devotees to blame the GOP for this if no deal can be reached ….Look NO other President in American history has been as impotent as Obama in reaching agreements that should be simple . Obama wants it to be his way or the highway he wont come to the table and then he will have all you people stoked up and wrongly blaming the GOP for HIS mess . Have a nice day

      • http://www.TheButchQueen.com/ BUTCH

        “HIS” mess? Obama hasn’t even had a chance to make a mess because the GOP has obstructed everything he touches. So how is he supposed to negotiate with a congress that has no interest in seeing him succeed in any way? The disgusting display of obstructionism that has existed over the past 5 years is shameful.

        • Independent1

          Butch, be careful – don’t get into a heavy discussion with one of the several mental incompetents that do nothing but start trouble on the NM by making total absurd posts to disrupt the mentally competent posters who trying to make comments that make some sense.

          • Mark Forsyth

            True! And I second your comment.That particular mental incompetent is one of the worst.Best ignored.

          • Yvette White

            Wow could not have said that better my self

          • tax payer

            Seriously, he’s referring about you ( since the foul mouth you have ) doesn’t belong in this Blog.

          • idamag

            Just a yammering mouth who looks through a magnifying glass to see if he can find flaws in the President and if he can’t, he makes some up.

          • bikejedi

            translation from Liberals Double Talk to Common Sense English . I don’t like that this Bike Jedi guy posts the truth and I don’t want it to rile up my brainwashed friends

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in the balls; that is, if you have any.

          • bikejedi

            ooooppppps there goes that civility theory …rest assured I have a very large set . If I was a Liberal like you the odds would be great that I would let you see them but alas I am not …I am 100% Hetero soooo

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Who says that I’m a liberal?

          • bikejedi

            Ok Im cool with that

        • bikejedi

          Obama has had 5 yrs to make a mess and he has . That is unless you think 8% Unemployment 1.5 % growth and $ 4/gal gas is great .
          And now you just proved my point . You claim and repeat the LIe your masters told you to . A Lie that has no bearing in truth but yet they have you all stoked up to put the blame on the GOP . The last time we had a debt limit increase Obama himself came up with a compromise called Sequestration . He came up with the idea of guaranteed cuts to the Fed Budget if a team of Bi Partisans could not come up with a way to make these cuts themselves …So those people you called Obstructionists allowed him a debt limit increase . After almost a year the Dems on this panel told Obama they couldn’t reach and agreement and instead of Obama showing some leadership on the deal or meeting with the people you label obstructionists Obama chose to go golfing …for a year and a half . Obama ( wrongly ) gambled the GOP would never go with the Sequestration cuts because of the defense cuts involved in that . When Obama would not come to the Table in over a year and a half the GOP took him up on HIS Idea . When they did Obama issued a directive to all Govt Depts ( and the emails proved this ) to make the Sequestration cuts as harmful as possible to Americans particularly working Americans …One example of this were the FAA cuts . Now they could’ve cut non essential personnel he chose to cut air traffic controllers so that business travelers would be inconvenienced . This worked up until the Govt workers got hissed off that they couldn’t get home . What kind of leader blames others for his own idea and when they take him up on his own idea gets mad and takes it out on Americans ????? And now he has you wrongly and falsely accussing them of being the obstructionists …Dude you don’t even know recent history or are ignoring it out of cult like devotion . Obama doesn’t deserve your kneeling

          • Yvette White

            Man or women whatever the fuck you are go to hell where most of you belong, your stupid as hell just plain stupid shut THE HELL UP CAN YOU HERE ME NOW

          • bikejedi

            !00% American Hetero Male …Look at the Picture K

          • idamag

            I had a friend who played the macho game. He turned out to be a closet gay.

          • bikejedi

            Ive seen that too . Thank God you and I aren’t confused or trying to confuse others like that right ?

          • tax payer

            Fern, is that you?

          • Yvette White

            your an asshole just like all Conservatives are, do us all a big favor and Die already no one would miss your Dumb ass

          • bikejedi

            What tolerance you have …You wish Ill will on someone just because they disagree with you …Obama has taught you how to hate that is for sure

          • tax payer

            Don’t respond to her and she’ll go away.

          • bikejedi

            She seems like she might be off her meds

          • bikejedi

            I noticed Butch and Independent 1 haven’t even tried to refute this post

      • sunshine 3

        You’re seriously misinformed or perhaps blind to the situation in our government. President Obama has taken much less time away from his job than his predecessor. Every attempt at moving forward has been thwarted by the Republicans. It seems their primary agenda is simply to undermine his legacy at all costs even if it means seniors and those needing help to survive are destroyed. Republicans haven’t realized yet that they lost the election and are further dismantling the credibility of their own party.

        • bikejedi

          You are wrong . No President has EVER spent as much time on the Golf course or on Vacays as Obama . Bush really didn’t take Vacations . He would go to his ranch which was already a secured site and go chop wood and ride his Mountain Bike . He had it set up so he could work from there and it didn’t put the Secret Service out as much as Obama’s forays . It cost the tax payers a lot less in 8 yrs then Obama’s one recent trip to Africa ( 100 Mil ) . Your views on the GOP being obstructionists are immature talking points without basis in fact …See the Sequestration settlement as evidence of that .

          • idamag

            Let’s have a list of days that Obama went golfing. I golf every weekend. I also get a month’s vacation. You are nothing but a twit that is a danger to our government because of your ignorance.

          • bikejedi

            Im glad that you can golf as much as Obama and get all that time off …Are you a member of a Public Union ??? The truth is the Danger to this regime

          • idamag

            Your immaturity comes through loud and clear. You haven’t listed times, dates, and courses that Obama played to prove what just drops out of your mouth. What do you do on your days off? Should you have any?

          • bikejedi

            Talk about immaturity ? Look do your own homework . What is it with you Liberals and your sense of entitlement ? Why do you feel that you are entitled to have someone else do your work for you …Oh wait a minute judging by all the Obama voters on welfare I understand where you might feel that way . You can go to Whithouse .gov and get that yourself or the Obama Golf Counter site …Just google it for godsakes . I don’t have a lot of days off because I have my own business . Everyday I have to pay more taxes to support Obama voters soooo…When I do have time off you can find me doing something a hell of a lot more active and beneficial then golf ..Yesterday I put a solid 45 mile Bike ride together …

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            45 miles? What are you, a pussy?

          • bikejedi

            Bwahahahaha …I’m not so young anymore , but I carried over 18 mph over that distance . Rest assured I was not passed by a single Liberal because I wasn’t passed by anyone …Basically I ruled the loop I rode on that day . Do you ride ? If you are ever in the Chi town area look me up .

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            My Sunday workouts used to consist of a 2 mile swim, followed by a 100 mile ride (19+mph average; granted, it was on the flats), topped off with a 10 mile run. During the week, I’d ride my bike to work (25 miles one way) and run 6 on my lunch hour.

          • bikejedi

            If true that is impressive . If you are in the Chi lets ride …I don’t do too many century rides anymore and you are probably younger then I am . What do you ride ? I have a 2nd gen Trek carbon OCLV Bike with some Spinergy Rev X wheels . I also have a vintage steel frame bike and a city bike …see maybe we can find some middle ground

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I did the Ironman Triathlon in 1989, as well as a number of half ironman races and many international distance triathlons over the course of about 5 or 6 years. I rode a Cannondale triathlon bike for a number of years, as well as traditional Italian chrome-moly bikes. Doubt that I am younger than you unless you are older than 70! I can’t run anymore (overuse injuries) but do ride a Trek mountain bike, a wind trainer and still do weights.
            Your Trek sounds nice. If you are a serious cyclist then you can’t be all bad! You just need to become enlightened politically!

          • bikejedi

            I would suggest a ride through one of Chicago’s Ghettos and if we make it out alive them Im sure your way of thinking would evolve and become enlightened .

          • idamag

            FYI, I am not a liberal nor a conservative. I think, like some of our founding fathers, that parties divide and cause chaos. This division will destroy our government. You are one of the dividers. However, voter suppression, restoration of racism, et.al makes me vote Democrat.

          • bikejedi

            Idamag you say that all the while espousing Liberal views and talking points . What Voter Suppression are you talking about ? And as for restoring racism I agree Obama has done more to harm race relations then any President in History . He has divided the Nation on that issue to serve his own Political fortunes ..I’m confused how that would make you vote Dem ? I am not a divider I am a seeker and reporter of truth and want to see the Constitution restored in its current form and not just acted upon as if it is a living flexible document . This regime wants it all thrown out except of course the one amendment they like . That would be the 5th

          • jlover

            like i said ask cruz to impeach obama over playing golf….get votes and go for it…stop talking and do it

          • bikejedi

            I would love to see that . Think about this and answer it yourself honestly . If Obama were white do you think he would’ve already been impeached ? Of course he would’ve . Nixon was impeached over spying on the DNC not the whole country . Nixon Lied but No One Died . Can Obama say the same thing ? Of course not . My point is is that Obama is being protected because of his skin color . I full believe two things . 1 No one is bringing it up because they don’t want to be known as the White Congressman that brought our first Black President down and 2 They don’t want to be ostracized forever by Liberals and the Obama PR Liberal Media for the rest of History as just being racist . If you are an honest person you have to know that that is the way your side would forever talk about them . They also would never be safe again for the rest of their lives

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Nixon wasn’t impeached. He resigned before that happened; he was smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall (or maybe he sobered up long enough to realize that the game was up)!

          • bikejedi

            Maybe Obama should take the hint . I mean his sins are far more grievous then Nixon’s

        • idamag

          He is also too stupid to know that the President does not make laws. Congress does. We have a do-nothing congress that automatically says “no” to everything so they can make the President fail. They are either busy with the “nos” and the “stupidity that comes out of some of their mouths, or they are taking holidays. They work 3 days a week, fly home, to “meet with their constituents” and I am betting their constituents are the ones they spend time with at the country club.

        • Jane

          no , he has not, read the statistics, he has taken less than any other president except for one or two, bush took off 3 times a many days, over 300 compared to Obamas 90 some.

      • Teresa Poland

        I didn’t know that this was a conservative bashing Obama link! I am sure that there are other places you can annoy people. You have your half assed facts backwards.

        • bikejedi

          NAME ONE … By the way stating fact and telling the truth is not bashing and I have nothing backwards …If you think I do please do tell so I can destroy what you post with fact and logic

          • idamag

            You have never proved a fact. Just because you hear it, does not mean it is a fact.

          • bikejedi

            Apparently I did ….for if I hadn’t you would be able to refute it and you cant and haven’t

          • idamag

            I never saw any reliable proof. I could say that you are on the sex registry, but that doesn’t make it true.

          • bikejedi

            see above comment . If you cant refute or debate something then don’t knock it

        • idamag

          There are hate blogs, he could take his beer over to. They would pat him on the back for the worst he could say about the President.

          • bikejedi

            Im not a playa hater …no matter how many rounds of golf he plays

      • Yvette White

        Oh god here we go with another dumb ass conservatives, who has shit for brains, go the fuck back over to Fox news nobody on here wants to here your stupid ass

        • Mark Forsyth

          Should be-”nobody here wants to [ hear ] your stupid ass.” Otherwise,good post!

        • idamag

          I don’t belong to a political party, but I am sick of the new conservative. They seem to think stupid is a virtue.

      • idamag

        Blame yourself for sending those anti-government and thus anti-American thugs to Washington. Apologize.

        • bikejedi

          I did not vote for anti Constitution people or people who swore to uphold that document and have done everything they can to circumvent it or get around every amendment except the 5th …Hence I did not vote for those Anti American thugs you mentioned like Obama Pelosi Reid etc

      • robertbenefiel@att.net

        If you watched Frontline, on the night that Obama was sworn into office in 2008, the Republicans met in a Restaurant and took a pledge to oppose any and everything that Obama proposed no matter what. So my question is how do you negotiate with the Republicans who have pledged not to bargain with you???

        • bikejedi

          Wait you are basing your opinion on some Liberals biased speculation ???? Were you in that meeting ???? Sweet Mother Of Liberal Hypocrisy

          • Barbara Morgan

            The statement was made on TV before Obama was sworn into office by both Mitchell and Boehner,. It was shown all networks more than once and it was restated at different times on the Sunday news programs. Guess you don’t want watch news programs that are shown on Sunday or watch anything but Fox not news. Also since the Republicans couldn’t make Obama a one term President, Mitchell and Boehner made statements again on these programs that they would do their darnest to make Obama’s Presidential terms look bad no matter what happened to the Country. You didn’t see those programs either did you.

          • bikejedi

            Look McConnell made a stupid comment . Whether stated or not stated it is always the goal of the opposition to make a rival party administration a one term deal . That is the nature of politics so grow up . McConnell just made the mistake of verbalizing it . Judging by what the Republicans have agreed to with Obama ( debt limit increases , Obama’s Idea for Sequestration , and Spending Increases ) you can’t make a logical argument that they have been obstructionists but go ahead and repeat talking points that are not based in truth . Not based in truth alright , but a need on the left to pre blame others for Obama’s failures ….K

          • Mark Forsyth

            Just answer the fucking question!

          • bikejedi

            The maturity intelligence and tolerance of the left . Look McConnell made a stupid comment . Whether stated or not stated it is always the goal of the opposition to make a rival party administration a one term deal . That is the nature of politics so grow up . McConnell just made the mistake of verbalizing it . Judging by what the Republicans have agreed to with Obama ( debt limit increases , Obama’s Idea for Sequestration , and Spending Increases ) you cant make a logical argument that they have been obstructionists but go ahead and repeat talking points that are not based in truth but a need on the left to pre blame others for Obama’s failures ….K

          • jlover

            i dont have tolerance for teabaggers

          • idamag

            Me, either, they are a danger to government by the people.

          • bikejedi

            That’s sad . I myself try to have tolerance for everyone . Even Low information Indoctrinated Dems . And no that isn’t directed at you personally

      • jlover

        u sound mad bro….dont be bitter

        • bikejedi

          Not bitter at all …just came back from a great bike ride and couldn’t be happier

          • jlover

            Sound bitter to me…mad over policy differences….im praying for you

          • bikejedi

            I am not trying to demean you as I did at least understand the intent of your comment . And I did notice that you edited out the YOUTH comment for YOU …By the way you do realize that under Obama Black Unemployment is at an all time high right ? It is at over 48% for Black YOUTH . That is his policy and you should be mad as hell about it . Instead , Blacks once again overwhelmingly supported Obama for reelection . You voted for him based solely on the fact that he is black not because of the content of his work or CHARCTER . Now imagine if White youth unemployment was at 48% do you think White people would vote for that President just because he is White ? Of course not . If Whites had voted for McCain at a 97% rate as Blacks did for Obama we would’ve been labeled as Racist . Also , why isn’t the reverse true then ? Oh that’s right Liberals don’t like fact and logic . I don’t hate the playa I do disagree with his policy and by all that is HOLY you should too , but you cant because no matter how destructive he is to America or your own Community you have been told to back him with cult like devotion even though you shouldn’t . Have a Blessed day I will pray for you and our Nation . Thank you for being civil .

          • jlover

            i voted for clinton mondale dukakis carter…if i remember those guys are ..CAUCASIAN so im dismissing your remark about voting for him because he’s black…..and believe or not obama character is hell of alot better than mccain’s or romney…..if romney would have won in november…he’d be doing much of what obama is doing…spending gov’t money as well …talking about his romneycare…..and you’d be kissing his butt…..and if you disagree with his policies write cruz and tell him to get the votes to impeach him.

          • bikejedi

            Saying you voted for White Liberals means nothing to me other then you support leaders who like to see 72% of Black kids being raised by single parents . By their policy and morals this has become the norm and is accepted and excused by that party . They are also the Party that support Planned Parenthood . Its founder Margret Sanger espoused the extermination of the Black race through their own religious leaders setting bad moral examples making abortion acceptable and through abortion itself . 43% of Black pregnancies in NYC end in abortion so their plan seems to be working .. Meanwhile the Dem party has relegated Blacks to their inner city ghettos . They have convinced generation after generation of Blacks to give up their personal freedoms for a place at the Govt tit . They have relegated Black children to their poor performing Union Public Schools while fighting against school choice . Obama himself killed a voucher program in DC that was responsible for seeing underprivileged kids to go to the same school his kids get to attend . A Republican President as well as Northern Whites and Freed Black Men fought a Civil War to end Slavery . Most of the South and the Plantation owners were Dem . After the Civil War the Dems enacted the Jim Crow laws to stop Blacks from voting . You see a Republican President had given them that right . The Dems then Founded the KKK . Even in recent times they had a leader of the KKK as a Party endorsed Senator for decades ( Byrd ) The Republicans voted overwhelmingly for the Civil Rights Act and the Dems Filibustered it to try to stop it . MLK was a Republican …Learn American History my friend and figure out who really has your communities interests at heart .

            “and believe or not obama character is hell of alot better than mccain’s or romney..”…

            That’s funny considering McCain fought for this country and was a POW . While I don’t agree with McCain’s recent ideology I would never question his integrity . While he was fighting Obama was protesting with Communists and idolizing his Communist teacher . He was smoking Dope and doing Coke and having gay affairs . Upon his arrival in the Chi he attended the most racist anti American church in the Nation . He openly supports Islam particularly the Muslim Brotherhood who hate us and want to kill us . All of his records are sealed so Im sure there is a lot he doesn’t want us to know …

            And unless you think 48% Unemployment amongst black youth 4 to $5 / gal gas , 7 new food stamp recipients for every job created fewer Americans working then when he took office and the greatest percentage of part time workers are signs of improvement then I wouldn’t say that the right ( and not the derogatory term SHEEPLE use ) isn’t worried about him having ” doing better ” then we want him to .

            And we don’t really know if he did win that last one fair and square with all the voter fraud they did . Particularly in Ohio where there were Counties with over 100% voter turnout and ditto in Fla . ( and yes I am aware of the double ballot excuse on that one . The numbers don’t add up ) …then of course you have 59 precincts in Philly without a single Romney vote …By the way you are aware that approx. 80 % of Americans want Voter ID and Obama and your Dems oppose it . Gee I wonder why ?

            Osama was assassinated during Obama’s time in office . It seems from all the generals accounts of that day that Hillary had to convince him to go green light the operation after shagging him off the Golf course ( basically lend him her balls ) That opinion was backed up by Panetta who also said they never would’ve found him if not for the intel gained at Gitmo during the Bush years . So I give some credit to Bush for the intel and I will give Obama some credit because he was CIC during that time .

    • Yvette White

      Dame tell us how you really feel LOL LOL LOL

  • S1AMER

    Why do John Boehner and all the other Republicans hate America so much?

    • dpaano

      I just read an interesting “Letter” on Daily Kos. It says it all!!!!

      Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:57 PM PST

      An open letter to the people who hate Obama more than they love America

      by MinistryOfTruthFollow

      I meet you all the time. You hate Obama. You hate gay people. You hate black people, immigrants, Muslims, labor unions, women who want the right to make choices concerning their bodies, you hate em all. You hate being called racist. You hate being called a bigot. Maybe if you talked about creating jobs more than you talk about why you hate gay people we wouldn’t call you bigots. Maybe if you talked about black people without automatically assuming they are on food stamps while demanding their birth certificates we wouldn’t call you racist. You hate socialism and social justice. You hate regulations and taxes and spending and the Government. You hate.

      You like war. You like torture. You like Jesus. I don’t know how in the hell any of that is compatible, but no one ever accused you haters of being over-committed to ideological consistency. You like people who look like you or at least hate most of the things that you hate. You hate everything else.

      Now, I know you profess to love our country and the founding fathers (unless you are reminded that they believed in the separation of church and state), but I need to remind you that America is NOT what Fox News says it is. America is a melting pot, it always has been. We are a multi-cultural amalgamation of all kinds of people, and yet you still demonize everyone who is not a rich, white, heterosexual christian male or his submissive and obedient wife.

      You hate liberals, moderates, hell, anyone who disagrees with Conservative dogma as espoused by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. You hate em.

      Well, here are the facts, Jack. If you hate the Government then you are unqualified to manage it. If you hate gay people more than you love America than you should take your own advice and get the hell out. There are several countries that are openly hostile to gay people, but they are full of brown people and you don’t like them much either from what I understand. It looks like you are screwed, but that’s not what I am here to tell you.

      More rant below the fold . . .

      Now that you have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at President Obama and it still hasn’t worked you are panicking. Obama’s approval ratings are still near 50% despite your best efforts to undermine the economy and America’s recovery at every step you can. You tried to hold the American economy hostage to force America into default on its’ debts, debts that YOU rang up under Bush, so you could blame it on Obama and it failed. You’ve used the filibuster more than any other Congress ever, going so far as to vote against providing health care access to 9/11 first responders. You remember 9/11, don’t you, it’s that thing you used to lie us into a war in Iraq, and then when Obama killed Bin Laden and ended the war in Iraq you told people that he hates America and wants the troops to fail. You monsters. You hate Obama with a passion, despite the fact that he is a tax cutting, deficit reducing war President who undermines civil rights and delivers corporate friendly watered down reforms that benefit special interests just like a Republican. You call him a Kenyan. You call him a socialist. You dance with your hatred singing it proudly in the rain like it was a 1950′s musical.

      Frankly, you disgust me. Your hatred nauseates me. Your bigotry offends me. Your racism revolts me.

      Dear haters, I am openly questioning your patriotism.

      I think you hate gays, Obama, black people, poor people, all of us, women, atheists and agnostics, Latinos, Muslims, Liberals, all of us, I think you hate every one who isn’t exactly like you, and I think you hate us more than you love your country.

      I think you hate gay soldiers more than you want America to win its wars.

      I don’t even think you want America to win wars, you just want America to have wars, never ending wars and the war profiteering it generates. You love that kind of spending, you love spending on faith based initiatives and abstinence based sex education (George Carlin would have loved that one), you love spending on subsidies for profitable oil corporations, you spend like drunken sailors when you are in the White House, but if it is a Democrat then suddenly you cheer when America doesn’t get the Olympics because it might make the black President look bad. But oooh you love your country, you say, and you want it back. Well listen here skippy, it isn’t your country, you don’t own it, it is our country, and America is NOT the religiously extremist Foxbots who hate science, elitist professors and having a vibrant and meaningful sex life with someone we love if Rick Santorum doesn’t approve of it. Rick Santorum isn’t running for America’s fucking high school dance chaperone, he should probably just shut the hell up about sex, but he can’t because he has nothing else to run on.

      Republicans can NOT win on the issues. They’ve got NOTHING. All they have is a divide and conquer class war that pits ignorant racist and bigoted people against the rest of us in a meaningless battle of wedge issues and the already proven to fail George W. Bush agenda again of tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, privatization and war profiteering and nothing else, so all they can do is blame black people, gays the government, anybody and everyone else for their own failings. The party of personal responsibility, my ass.

      But they love multi-national corporations, just ask a gay hating and racist religious extremist if they think Corporations are people and they will gladly agree, but if you ask them if gay people are people they aren’t so sure.

      Dear haters, you are the cruel, heartless misinformed assholes who would sell America out to Haliburton in a heartbeat, you would rather pay ZERO taxes than you would see a newly born baby get access to quality health care, you cheer when we discuss denying health care to young people with preventable diseases, and you boo when we discuss the First Ladies plan to cut back on childhood obesity. You are a cross to carry and a flag to wrap yourself in away from being the people who Sinclair Lewis warned us about, but I guarantee that if Fox News told you to dress that way you would, because you are the same blind, ignorant and closed minded dunces who drove this country into a civil war years ago because you are bound to the notion that some men are more equal than others. In short, the reason I proudly wear my union army hat is because of seditious sell outs like you who constantly fuck over working class Americans so a foreign entrepreneur like Rupert Murdoch can get a bigger tax break. If corporations are people, they are neither American patriots nor capable of love. Just like you.

      So stop wearing your hate with pride. Stop celebrating your anti-science, anti-math ignorance. Stop using code words to mask your bigotry like “family values”, especially when you hate my family and when you stand on the same stage as a guy who has had three marriages or if you share a seat in the Senate with a guy who cheated on his wife with hookers while wearing diapers. You should be ashamed. I know that you are just doing this to motivate your misinformed hate cult base because if they actually knew that your ideas will make them poorer than they are now, they would never vote for you. You are doing your best to impoverish your countrymen so rich people can get bigger tax breaks and you can keep on delivering corporate welfare to the special interests who have bribed you, and I am disgusted by the way you gleefully parade your hatred with aplomb. I don’t think you do love America. At least, not as much as you hate everyone in America who isn’t exactly like you.

      You should think about that, and maybe get some help.

      And for the record, I do not hate you. I am embarrassed by you and nauseated by your cruel and thoughtless behavior and your all consuming greed, but I do not hate you. I forgive you and I hope you can change someday, but I don’t hate you. You have enough hate in you for the rest of us as it is.

      • E.

        THANK YOU.

      • Annemb

        Excellent post!

        I would add these words by for the benefit of Rush Limbaugh and the right-wingers: “CHRlSTlANlTY neither is, nor ever was a part of the C0MM0N Law”, by President Jefferson.

        • exdemo55

          No, it’s God’s law, which supercedes all other laws.

          • Annemb

            I am glad we don’t live in a theocracy. I’d rather live in a land where everyone can worship as they see fit for themselves. So, I totally agree with President Thomas Jefferson.

          • exdemo55

            The Bible John 14.6

            Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

          • Annemb

            I stand by my quote, adding that …I thank God that our Founders had the wisdom to found a secular nation. They remembered the history of the past and of their ancestors — the tyranny and blood shed by the people when a government was intertwined with religion.

            Religion has no place in government. Anyone with real faith never imposes their beliefs / ideology on anyone but Instead lives their faith as they do good for others. I remember that Jesus gave one Commandment to love one another as he loved us. That’s how I believe true faith is expressed. And we can’t forget “No man can serve two masters…” Matthew 6.24

            My faith calls me to give my best to and for each one with whom I meet … never to push my beliefs onto anyone else – because faith is personal not political.

          • exdemo55

            Man should create no law that conflicts with God’s law. There is a huge difference in being religious and following God’s law.

            Jesus came near and spoke to them, “I’ve received all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything that I’ve commanded you. Look, I myself will be with you every day until the end of this present age.” —Matthew 28:16-20 (CEB)

          • Annemb

            I stand by my post!

            The Law of the God I worship is LOVE and inclusion.

            Theocracies are not about love, but they are about power and exclusion.

          • exdemo55

            The Holy Bible is not a theocracy, it is the word of God, the one and only God. God is all about love. Read 1st Corinthians 13. Jesus is also inclusive. He said the door is open to everyone and no one is beyond the reach of God. But he does have laws and to break them is sin for which there will be consequences. But he will forgive. All you have to do is confess and ask.

          • Annemb

            The Bible is not the only inspired book in the world, nor does everyone believe the Bible is a holy book. And that’s okay. The Bible is important ONLY to those to whom this book is important and has meaning, but not to everyone.

            Other faiths have their holy books which are important to them. One book is not “right” and the other books “wrong.” Each Faith has a high regard for their Scriptures.

            Yes, I believe God is love! But, when a government imposes THEIR religion on EVERYONE regardless whether or not they believe their religion this is not showing any love of God for anyone, and easily becomes tyranny and power. just check world history where this has happened over and over again in the history of the world before, during and after “Christianity.”

            Christianity has done much good in the world. However Christianity has a history of bloodshed, killing and cruelty in her history because some branches of Christianity tried to impose THEIR beliefs on others.

            Look at the Inquisitions, 300 years of witch burning, the Crusades. These violent and horrific declarations are NOT what Jesus advocated. Jesus was a radical who was against the status quo. He “hung around” with the disenfranchised, the lame, lepers, the poor …

            These governments / churches did not have love. Instead they used the name of Christ to “justify” their murderous tyranny.

            Corinthians is a letter written by Paul to a community that was arguing all the time. 1 Cor. 13 specifically addresses some of these issues.

            The Bible was written by men! It was not dictated by God to anyone who was taking notes. This is a book in which men try to explain their relationship with God; a book written in different styles of literature. The Bible is a vehicle written in different genres including poetry, fables, parables, song, symbolism, stories, myth and is not a scientific manual.

            There is so much to learn and to understand about this great book that the study seems to go on forever. To me, this book is alive. So, when I read and study this book, I ask, “what are these words saying to me today?” “What is this book saying to the church today.” If I just took this book literally, took verses out of context to support MY views or beliefs, it would be nothing but a story book, be useless and no longer be a living book.

            These are some of what I learned from a rabbi and in seminary when I studied Holy Scriptures.

            Blessings…

          • Annemb

            You are exactly correct that the Holy Bible is not a theocracy. It is a book of faith.

            Some governments are a theocracy, i.e., co-mingle (for want of a better word) their Scriptures with governing, sometimes persecuting others who believe differently.

            Our nation was founded as a secular nation. For the wisdom of our Founders I thank God. They learned from their ancestry and the history of the past what happens in a theocracy – persecution and execution for not submitting to the government’s religion but remaining faithful to their own.

            Today, in our government, some attempt to impose their ideology on the rest of us. This is not democracy but a form of theocracy / dictatorship / power over “others.”

            Lest there be any misunderstanding, I love the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. They mean a great deal to me and are Sacred to ME. However, the message I glean / learn from Jesus is to live as he lived: to bring about the realm of God on earth which means love, healing, inclusion especially of the disenfranchised, sometimes going against the status quo. This is how his life affects me. Yes, Jesus was a radical

            BY the same token, I refuse to / will not denigrate other Scriptures or beliefs or whether a person “believes” as I do, or not. A person’s faith, whatever it is, is PERSONAL. My faith calls me to LOVE everyone – as God loves me and to forgive ask God forgives.

            Jews, Christians and Muslims are people of the Book. After the Kor’an was revealed to Mohammed, he went and made peace with Jews and Christians.

            We need to maintain respect for those of different faiths and to love. This is what my Christian faith demands of me.

            Thanks for your post.

            Blessings be upon you and your loved ones.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Mythology!!!

          • idamag

            We can see the results of theocracies in the Mideast.

          • Annemb

            Thanks so much for your post! Isn’t it sad? Instead of love they breed hate, etc.

            Faved.

          • Joseph Hemphill

            keep your God, I resent you imposing your fantasy on me!!

          • exdemo55

            The Holy Bible, Book of John 14.6

            Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

          • idamag

            Did Jesus also approve the inquisitions, the Mountain Meadow Massacre and national churches? No. Jesus did advocate a separation of church and state. Matthew 22:15 “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s.”

          • exdemo55

            Jesus came near and spoke to them, “I’ve received all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything that I’ve commanded you. Look, I myself will be with you every day until the end of this present age.” —Matthew 28:16-20 (CEB)

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            What father? Why would anyone want to go to such a hateful figure?

          • exdemo55

            Because he is your creator and he loves you.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Well, I AM a creationist. I believe that man created god.

          • exdemo55

            Who do you beleive created you?

          • Mortalc01l

            Your particular God is of no importance to me. I don’t care what God you worship, but don’t presume that I worship the same God you do and don’t you DARE presume to tell me I have to live by YOUR Gods laws.

          • exdemo55

            There is only one God. He created us all. The Holy Bible is his word which includes his laws for all of us to live by. He did this out of love for all of us.

          • Mortalc01l

            You are mentally ill and a Fascist. Why do I have to believe in YOUR particular delusion? Are you one of those evangelist proselytizers that tries to force people to your way of thinking? Are you one of those disgusting wretches that thinks that if I do not believe as YOU do, then I am “less” than you?

            Of the 3,000+ Gods in human history, what makes you think YOUR particular imaginary friend is the one true God? Your god is relatively new to this world. there are many, many others who are older.

            You believe in your particular God, because you were born into a community and a region of the world that just so happens to be Christian. If you have been born in Japan, you would be Shinto, if born in India, you would be a Sikh, or maybe a worshipper of Ganesh.

            Get out of here with your nonsense and made-up imaginary friend.

            P.S. If your God is in fact the one true God, then why did he not make sure that his “word” (the bible) was impossible to mistranslate, misconstrue, misinterpret? You’d think that an all powerful, omnipotent being could at least make sure his word was impossible to misunderstand, wouldn’t you.?

          • exdemo55

            Beleive this or not, I am concerned for you and I am certain God is concerned too. If you will just open your heart I beleive it will have a very positive effect on your life. I am not forcing you to do anything, I am simply appealing to your better nature. I do not beleive I am either more or less than you. We are both equal in God’s eyes.
            Jesus was born about 2000 years ago. He charged his deciples to go to every nation and create more deciples to spead the word. It is a work in progress.
            The Bible is the word of God and includes boundaries for us to live by. He granted us free will to live right or wrong but gave us a way to be forgiven. Any misinterpretations of his word are because of man’s faults or possibly self serving thoughts.
            I will pray for you.

          • Mortalc01l

            You are wrong on all counts.

            I do not need or want your concern; how conceited do you have to be to think you know all the answers based on a 2000 year old book of nonsensical fables?

            The bible was written multiple decades after the supposed events happened. There are ZERO original documents in evidence. The bible has been bastardized, re-written to conform to King James’ personal opinions, mistranslated and contains hundreds of contradictions within it’s pages. In short, it is a disaster, a mess and completely untrue.

            You didn’t answer my question as to why a supposedly omnipotent being couldn’t accomplish the simple task of making sure his word could not be misrepresented, misunderstood, mistranslated and misused. Of 100,000 people that read a particular passage in the Bible, you will get 100,000 different opinions on what that passage means; how is that possible if it’s the word of an almighty, infallible being when his purported word is so easily misunderstood?

            It is utter nonsense and a massive con. Religion is the biggest flim-flam ever foisted on humanity.

            Religion has constantly stood in the way of rational progress, has been responsible for the greatest atrocities that have ever been done to humanity at large; is responsible for the biggest organized ring of pedophiles in the history of the World, the Catholic church has been aiding and abetting pedophiles for 2,000 years.

            The church has repeatedly tried to suppress freedom of thought; burning at the stake, those who challenged the bible’s wrong view of the universe. Torturing and killing, or excommunicating scientists that found out the we are a heliocentric planet, is but one example.

            Religion in general is a disease and Christianity and Islam are the most destructive and virulent forms of the mass mental illness that constitutes belief in an invisible, all-powerful, immortal being that really cares if you masturbate, or eat shellfish on a certain day.

            Sheer lunacy.

          • exdemo55

            i am very sorry you feel that way.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jean.lingelbach Jean Occupy Lingelbach

            That’s what the Taliban say…

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Prove it!

          • exdemo55

            The Holy Bible, Book of John 14.6

            Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Please stop the misogynynistic proselytizing. Thank you.

          • exdemo55

            Anyone who refuses to share their faith out of fear of retribution or just to get along is a coward.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Anything that can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof!

          • exdemo55

            The proof is all around you. Look at nature, look at the human body with all its intricate systems. If you think that resulted from the “big bang” that’s like saying the dictionary was the result of an explosion in an alpabet factory. Everything was created by God.
            “A person asked me one time, ‘what’s the evidence that God is there?’ And I said, I’ll go out here and pick up an acorn from under a tree. You put it in the ground and water it, and 40 years later when you come back, there might be an oak tree as big around as a pick-up truck. Inside that little acorn is the resurrection power. That has to come from somewhere. It didn’t just exist.”

          • idamag

            And you are quick to interpret God’s law. You are quick to use the Leviticus Laws that agree with your own prejudices, but ignore the rest of them. You are quick to force your brand of religion on everyone.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Wow, not only is it excellent I would like your permission to copy it and spread it around.

        • dpaano

          Justin: I got the letter from today’s Daily KOS, which is something I get in my e-mail on a daily basis and has many interesting articles. I’m sure there won’t be a problem copying it and spreading it around…..I thought it was pretty darn good myself and well worth spreading! Go for it!

      • idamag

        Applause!

    • Annemb

      IMO, their in-actions are treasonous.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Worse than that…they are illegal and thievery. When you began to pay into SS, you contracted with the government to receive a return on what you paid. If Boehner and his bois want to play dirty. So can we. We send them bills for what we paid into for decades. They don’t pay? We ship them off to jail.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Good luck with that. The only sensible plan is to vote Democrat.

          • exdemo55

            Cut they’re pay and benefits too!

          • Yvette White

            and that’s the truth

        • Dominick Vila

          Perhaps we should start by cutting their salaries and reducing their benefit package. After all, they are our servants and if the goal is to reduce spending, I am sure they will be delighted to contribute to the achievement of that goal.
          If they can cut what we paid for, we can definitely cut what they depend on to launch their attacks against seniors, students, the middle class, women, ethnic minorities, and the poor.

          • Annemb

            Agreed!

          • exdemo55

            Now you’re talking. Cut all they’re pay and benefits along with the rest of the government.

          • LotusJoan

            I suggest that we take them off salary and pay them an hourly wage. I think it should be the same as minimum wage.

          • idamag

            And install time clocks.

          • idamag

            And install time clocks.

          • bikejedi

            Wow we agree on this . .Let’s take it step further and cut Obama’s pay and bennies first . Then make sure he can’t go golfing until a deal is reached .

          • Yvette White

            you know you people really should look into all that dame inbreeding that go’s on within your race, Don’t go getting mad at my president because you just found out that your mother fuck your brother and got you, get mad at that Bitch for having your stupid ass, you dumb son of a BITCH

          • bikejedi

            Where did you learn to spell ? Was that one of those Dem Union Public Schools er Skoo’s ? Can you post anything in an adult manner ? You prove the intelligence level and that the left is not open minded …TY …Have a blessed day . Are you related to Fern ?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            What’s with the golfing, jerkoff? Is this your latest coke dream? President Obama does not play an inordinate amount of golf. Wake up!

          • bikejedi

            Jerkoff he has played more rounds of golf then any President in History ….look it up uninformed Jerkoff

          • idamag

            You look it up on a reliable source. Obama hater.

          • bikejedi

            Im not a playa hater but I do dislike almost all of his policy rhetoric and his lack of an executive skill set . As of July 27 Obama has played 133 rounds of golf

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Where did you get this gem-from FAUX?

          • bikejedi

            disqus you are one of the more reasoned posters on this site I have to say …I appreciate civility … I , as the loyal opposition on this site face a lot of uncivil behavior . I don’t ever recall you just resorting to name calling as some do as reflex here . I think the Whitehouse site has it ( they used to ) but you can go to Obamagolfcounter.com

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I have looked it up and you are totally wrong, as usual. Dwight David Eisenhower played more golf in one term than Obama has in his entire life. ESAD, jerkoff!!

          • bikejedi

            Ok , I cant find any credible link that backs that up other then someone’s speculation . If what you say is true I would argue that it was a different world back then and Ike had the Country going in the right direction . We weren’t fighting wars on a number of fronts and thinking about getting involved in a Muslim Civil War . There wasn’t 48% Unemployment amongst Black Youth and we didn’t have massive debt . We weren’t adding 7 people to the food stamp rolls for every job created and we didn’t have a net loss in jobs during his time in office . Should I go on ? Also I would bet that Ike did a lot of business on the course where Obama does it for stress relief and for fun . Different strokes for different folks …get it that’s a golf joke …And shouldn’t that say EGAD and not ESAD up there ?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            No, it should say ESAD.

        • Annemb

          They have no business in our Social Security and Medicare – we paid into these insurance programs and the money is ours. I’m on S.S. but still work a few hours every weekend. I still pay into M/Care but no longer into S.S. because my job doesn’t pay into S.S.

          We have got to fight these turkeys – it’s our money, not theirs, darn it!

          Also, remember that the Treasury Dept. has its eye on the USPS money that they’ve paying for future employees.

          Thanks for your words.

          • idamag

            Speaking of the USPS, the tealiban would like to privatize everything – schools, prisons, government agencies, and the postoffice. There is that trust fund the postoffice established when the government was trying to hurt the PO. Yes, those contractors, out there, are salivating.

          • Annemb

            You are absolutely correct!

            Several weeks ago on the radio Ed Schulz show, a USPS “higher up” employee said that the Treasury Dept is looking to take the money put aside by the Post Office per the 2006 Congress vote.

            Greed!

            Faved.

        • exdemo55

          What if you are forced to pay in against your will?

    • Snooz

      The same could be said of the left. You want all this money for entitlements and yet you reject absolutely any form of economic development that could actually conceivably pay for it.

      • bikejedi

        You of course are spot on

        • Snooz

          Seriously, give me just -one- Democrat who will stand up and say “Ok, we need money for entitlements. We don’t want to cut them, so we’re going to open up ANWR and sell the oil to pay for it.” At least its a place for serious negotiations, not just, “let’s raise taxes”

          • bikejedi

            all true …oh and I doubt the left knows what ANWR is and the ones who do have a totally wrong impression of what’s up there

        • Yvette White

          And you of course are an asshole just like the BITCH that had you, do us all a favor and kill yourself no one and do mean no one would miss your stupid ass

          • bikejedi

            There it is …The famous tolerance and open mindedness of the left …I notice that you cant dispute anything either one of us said but since it doesn’t agree with your brainwashed programming you don’t want to hear it …so you call names like a child …keep proving the intelligence of Liberals will ya .

      • DurdyDawg

        We’re paying for it alright.. With our lives while the vermin suck on meat and play “ch-ching” with their bank accounts.

      • Yvette White

        shut up you are stupid just like your stupid ass party jump off a cliff and do us all a big favor, a bunch of dumb ass conservatives, this is why you dumb motherfuckers will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever see the Whitehouse,LMAO

        • Snooz

          So your money making idea for America… is…..

          • plc97477

            Let the red states secede. Save us a butt load.

      • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

        How about raising taxes on the 2% to a realistic level (you know, like they were under Ronnie)?

    • idamag

      Like the Communists said, under Stalin, everything for the party. Notice, not the country, but the party.

  • Berkshire_Boy

    Haven’t we seen this movie about 40 times already? I don’t have time. Does it end any differently this time? Didn’t think so. the deficit is going down rather dramatically at this point. How would the Senate Dems sell further entitlement cuts to their constituency on that basis? More importantly how will a lot of Republicans sell it to their elderly white constituents right ahead of the midterm elections?

    • dpaano

      They can’t and they are just kicking themselves in the butt by doing what they are doing. We Seniors are starting to see the problems with the Republicans, and although I’m a Democrat (thank you, God), my friends (who are) are beginning to see the light.

      • Annemb

        I’m glad to read your very encouraging post. I, too am a senior, and an Activist.

        Blessings…

        • dpaano

          Anne: They seem to forget….we Seniors are probably more educated than today’s youth because we were able to go to school and college for a smaller amount of money (if any), so if they think they are talking to idiots….they are wrong!! Plus, we’re a lot more aware of what they are doing than some others who don’t have our backgrounds or experience! That’s just my opinion.

          • Annemb

            This may be your “opinion”, but it’s accurate. Our young people don’t have a sense of history, etc., and really need to be educated in this.

            Thanks so much for your words.

          • Mark Forsyth

            While I won’t pretend to know the level of indifference by the younger generation to American history,civics,and values it is clear that well more than a single generation has undergone the dumbing down process and that it has been no accident.Many so called high school graduates are ignorant of North American geography and know nothing of our government.May they always remain a minority.

          • LotusJoan

            You know as part of the draconian voter
            ID laws recently passed in NC they took money away from teaching civics, hummmm.

          • Annemb

            You are exactly correct and accurately described today’s generations beyond us.

            I saw the difference between my public school education which, in my estimation was thorough and included civics, and that of my own children. I loved history, science, geography and later I grew to love languages.

            They, on the other hand, could not seem to grasp some subjects (which troubled me) mostly because their teachers didn’t put the effort into their education. For example, my oldest son was given an “A” for a paper with numerous misspellings. When brought this to the attention of his teacher she replied, “It’s not my job.” This angered me so that i got involved within the local public school, county and city.

            As infants and before they went to kindergarten, I kept teaching them whatever I could while we went on neighborhood walks, went on nature walks, visited the zoo, they played with other children (not only white) even doing scientific experiments. I talked to them since infancy (not “baby talk”). My three signed up for their first library cards as soon as they could write their names. This was prior to their entering kindergarten.

            Today my oldest son has a Masters in Electrical Engineering,

            my daughter has an Associate’s degree in Law Enforcement, and my third child (son) decided to not attend college because he prefers to work with his hands.

            Sorry to have gone on for so long. I do feel strongly about education. I am deeply concerned that many of today’s young people don’t have a clue about scholarship, geography, even critical thinking.

            You’re right, it’s dumbing down.

            Thanks for your wise words.

            Faved.

          • Mark Forsyth

            No apology required.This topic is not discussed nearly enough.I am a retired self employed commercial fisherman and tractor trailer driver.I had to stop working because of thirty plus years behind the wheel along with too much heavy lifting wrecked my back.Beyond highschool I mostly went to the school of hard knocks but I wouldn’t trade it.
            I knew we were in trouble way back in the mid seventies.I was having dinner with a roommate and his girl who was a new third grade teacher in Virginia.She asked me how to spell a word[wish I could remember what it was] and I was astounded not only that she didn’t know the spelling of a common word but she also ignored a very high quality dictionary that was within arms reach.
            I refused her request and gently suggested the book,to which she and the roommate responded by criticizing me for being uncooperative. I guess I have always been selfish that way.

          • Annemb

            Good for you!!

            Mark, you certainly had an excellent education — the best kind, and a hard worker. Both commercial fisherman and tractor trailer driver are difficult careers and require faith and stamina.

            That young woman, had a lot to learn! Forgive me, but anyone who reacts as she did is ignorant. I wonder what kind of teacher she made…if she helped her students grow and if SHE grew.

            I don’t think you are selfish at all. You did the right thing. It was her loss. So don’t put yourself down.

            I’m a New Yorker transplanted to Maine in 1979 after my divorce (he was an abuser), with my daughter and third child, a son. (We lost our fourth, a little girl at 9 days old.) My oldest decided he wanted to go with his father and I had to let him go. When I arrived in Maine, I got a job with Legal Services for the Elderly in Augusta which I had for ten years. During that time I attended the University of Maine at Augusta – I think I was 45 years of age at the time. In 1989 (at 54) I entered seminary, got my seminary diploma in 1993, finished my undergrad work and was conferred with a Masters of Divinity. I did not think I had the intelligence to attend any institution of higher learning. In the meantime after high school I went to night school where I studied Biology, Spanish, Physics and Algebra. I had to drop the latter two because four subjects were too much for my head. I continue to attend adult ed at our local high school for the last six or seven years or so. I love to learn – I seem to never stop.

            I recently became a Literacy Volunteer to teach a dear friend to read. (We still need to get started.)

            Although I’m retired, I work several hours each Sat and Sun on the Alzheimer’s Unit at a local nursing home where a volunteer and I do activities. I do ministry when needed. (I’m a commissioned minister) and have been with the dying and their families many times. I also volunteer on the Memory Care unit at a local assisted living facility. I feel if I have gifts, I should share them.

            WOW! I’m certainly long-winded, aren’t I?

            Mark you sound like a good and caring man, a hard worker and one who loves. Don’t let anything or anyone change that or attempt to take the Spirit from you – as your beautiful spirit resides within you.

            Well, it’s late. I was called in to work for tomorrow and need to hit the sack.

            Take care of yourself.

            Blessings be upon you and your family.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Thanks Anne,for sharing and your blessings.You are not long winded nor is anyone when they have something worthwhile to say.I hope your estimation of me is not damaged too much when you read my comments when I’m giving hell to the willfully ignorant trolls that are on this page sometimes.I have a very low B.S. tolerance.
            I live in the Thousand Islands/St.Lawrence River now.Fishing,hunting and writing these days.Enjoying friends and helping them out when I can.I hope you have the same blessings that you wish for me.

          • Annemb

            WHEW! Sometimes I can write too much.

            You need not be concerned about the affect your opinions would have on me. I respect what you have said and will say. We need to speak out. There is too much crap these days that is of little or no significance and yet manages to damage many lives.

            How wonderful that you live in the Thousand Islands/St. Lawrence River. My friend and I visited the area in the mid-fifties and loved it. Have you visited Boldt Castle on Heart Island? And seen the smallest Canadian island?

            Your life sounds fruitful and beneficial for others too. It’s a gift to write, and important to get your thoughts and feelings out. I’ve done a lot of writing in the past which helped me get through stuff, and plan to take up this favorite pastime again.

            Thank you for your kind words to me at this time. That’s a blessing.

            Take care of yourself and may you be blessed a hundred-fold for your kindness to others.

          • idamag

            You did her a favor by teaching her to think for herself – well, at least, you tried to.

          • idamag

            That is because they lacked mental stimulation on television and they don’t learn to discuss things face-to-face.

          • Jane

            they are the future of America and future americans voters. and they are the soldiers in wars, don’t forget the sacrifice the young men are doing for us.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Jane, Not forgetting.Remember the fact that these people are sent by fools to fight useless wars for questionable purposes.When that happens the soldiers efforts along with their lives are thrown away.The Iraq war was a criminal enterprise and a gross display of cowboy ego.I don’t fault the soldiers,I charge those who promoted the war on false pretenses guilty of mass murder.
            As far as what was being discussed,consider how many kids coming out of school enter the service because they have not learned those things that are necessary to enter the workforce.
            That does not happen by accident and is a deliberate and underhanded attempt to disenfranchise young people from having a good life and participating in American society.

          • Yvette White

            and its a Dame good one depaano VOTE THESES ASSHOLES OUT OF OFFICE COME 2014 and make sure that there will never be a Republican in the Whitehouse come 2016

          • 4sanity4all

            In the days when we went to school, there was a “race to space” going on. Our government fully funded teaching materials so that we could become proficient in reading, math and science. In my neighborhood, we were mostly second generation children of immigrants, and our parents made sure we studied hard and obeyed our teachers. Today, funding for the schools it taken away with every budget the state concocts. There is no continuity of funding, schools are closing at an alarming rate to make way for corporate funded charter schools. These charter schools are mostly a way to make a buck for the corporations who provide front money, but are now demanding public funds. The states and cities are dumb enough to shift funding away from public schools, further weakening them. When the corporations tire of this experiment, and realize that we talk a good game, but never fully fund schools, elderly care, or anything else that really matters, they will pull out, and we will be left with public schools that are on life support. The public sees what the states allocate to the schools, but then they don’t hear about how that money has been shifted away in a manufactured budget crisis. The schools get shafted, and the jackals get everyone to blame the teachers. And you wonder why kids don’t get a great education? This is only the tip of the iceberg, as they say.

          • idamag

            And not being addicted to the electronic teat, we read.

        • ObozoMustGo

          And a greedy, immoral bastard that thinks you are entitled to a living paid for by someone else that is stolen from them by a politician under threat of imprisonment.
          Why didn’t you work and save for your own retirment?

          • Annemb

            I don’t quite understand your post.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Didn’t expect you to understand it. That’s why you think like you do. I’ll explain it by putthing your own words in front of it….

            Your post: I, too am a senior, and an Activist.”

            My post: “And a greedy, immoral bastard that thinks you are entitled to a living paid for by someone else that is stolen from them by a politician under threat of imprisonment.
            Why didn’t you work and save for your own retirment?”

            Get it?

          • Annemb

            Ah! Are you supposedly “completing or continuing my sentence.”
            Well, speak for yourself not for me.

            I’ve worked for many, many, years and have contributed into my Social Security retirement account. I have also paid into, and am still still contributing to M/Care.

            Do YOU get it?

          • metrognome3830

            No, frankly OMG, I do not get your point. What I get is that we (people who want to collect their social security) are greedy, immoral bastards. Is that it? I used to think you just said things like that to rile people up. But I am beginning to think you really mean it. You make a nice six-figure income. You save for your retirement and look down your nose at us poor slobs who make a mid-to-low five-figure income which is just enough to perhaps support a family and expect them to save for their own retirement. Their only income in retirement or when they can no longer work, will be that Social Security, which many will have to supplement by working after retirement — if they still can. And you call them greedy, immoral bastards. That’s talking like a spoiled brat, OMG.
            But you have a nice day!
            “Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things . . . their number is negligible and they are stupid.” — Dwight Eisenhower (in a letter to his brother)

          • Annemb

            Wisdom from General / President Eisenhower.

            Thanks so much.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Now now, Metro. If you have read my other posts, you would know that I direct my comments mostly toward those who are NOT in need of SS to maintain their lives. Which by the way, is MOST seniors in America. You see, most of the wealth in America is held by those over 60 years old. My suggestion has never been to starve them out. Rather, my suggestion is to begin making the program solvent by means testing it. Further, it’s not fair to those who are working today, and especially the new people coming into the workforce, that they have to pay a much greater amount than you ever paid in your working days. It’s also not fair that the actuarial tables that originally were used to calculate a person’s returns assumed a mortality rate that was in the late 60′s. That means that people who live far beyond their contribution limitations in terms of pay received on the other end are getting far more than they put in. Because of the structure of the system, however, that return is expected negative for today’s workers under mid 30′s. That’s not fair at all. What is fair is that we find a way to gently unwind ourselves from the Ponzi scheme that is SS, and to allow those workers coming in today to have private control over their SS and to keep it AWAY from the politicians.

            Have a nice day, my friend! Send my regards to Mrs. Metro.

            “There is no such thing as a free lunch.” – Milton Friedman,
            his book by that title

          • metrognome3830

            Oh, OMG. You do like to play with those figures don’t you. Most of those over-60 types that control most of the wealth, just as in the rest of the economy, are those few at the top 2% of the food chain. They constitute a very small percentage of those over 60. They are in absolutely no danger of being starved out true enough. The people you speak of make my very well-off buddy Bruce look like a welfare case. By our standards (Bruce and I) Bruce would have been considered fabulously wealthy — in the ’70s. Now he is considered upper middle class. The definition of wealthy has changed considerably, my friend. It may be correct to have means testing, but there would be very few people over 60 who would merit having their SS eliminated or sharply reduced. Let me give you some advice. Forget about eliminating Social Security. Hardly anyone except you and Rick Perry and a handful of others consider it a Ponzi scheme, first of all. Perry talks like that because he is not too bright. He has an excuse. That’s not true for all the rest of you. You use that term to instill guilt in the minds of the unwashed millions. You use guilt like the Catholic church does. I will listen to ideas such as means testing, raising the full retirement age to 70, etc., and be willing to consider them. Eliminating Social Security is a non-starter. Especially at this time. Wages have not kept up with the cost of living. That’s a plain fact. Because of that, many less people are able to support a family and manage to save money for retirement. If you push people off SS and tell them they have to save for their own retirement, what is your best guess as to what will happen to the economy. These people will continue to support their families, but at a greatly reduced disposable income which means they will send less, which means business will make less, which means they will cut back on production, hire fewer people or close their doors. Businesses are already doing that. Yet we hear howling, whining and sniveling from huge corporations about having to pay taxes, pay their employees a living wage, etc. even though they are paying a lower percentage of their income in taxes and paying what amounts to less of their profits in wages that they have in 50+ years. It’s not Social Security that’s ruining the economy, OMG. What’s ruining the economy is not a lack of money. What’s ruining the economy is Ronald Reagan’s “trickle down” economics, which actually became a “suck up” economy. His own Vice President didn’t believe in it. And a whole lot fewer people still believe in it. If the money isn’t in circulation, purchasing goods and services, it isn’t doing anyone any good except those few people sitting at the top of the heap. This is where the lie lays in your Libertarian thinking. You talk of being independent. Everybody fully responsible for their own life. It just doesn’t work that way, OMG. It’s fine to be independent about some things, but the fact is we are all interdependent to a greater extent that you will ever admit to. Individual actions most often do not only affect the individual, but have consequences for at least one other person and often for a great number of people. If you want to be a real Libertarian, go find a patch of ground out in the woods and live off the land. But only your land. Hunt and fish and grow your own food, make your own clothes. Sell your car(s) and walk. But you can have no impact on anyone else’s life. Then you will be a true libertarian. Maybe.
            Hope your having a great weekend OMG!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Metro… you are still very confused economically. Your adherence to traditional Keynesian ideas in light of our current circumstances is puzzling. For example, these are the myths you believe in:

            1) Economic growth comes from demand coming which can be increased by the government spending money they don’t have or must first take from someone else in the private economy.

            2) The economy is a fixed pie that government is supposed to arrange, as much as possible, so that everyone gets an equal piece of that pie.

            3) Those that have a bigger piece of the pie must have gotten by taking it from someone else who in turn must have a smaller piece of the pie.

            If government spending actually grew the economy, why does our debt now exceed our GDP? Doesn’t Keynesian theory endorse the concept of the Multiplier Effect? Of course it does. So why, with $17 TRILLION in debt do we NOT have an economy that exceeds that debt? Because it is a lie.

            Regarding GHWB not supporting Supply Side economics…. of course he didn’t. He was a big government progressive just like his son. They both are fools that think the government can give people money and the economy will grow. Clearly, this is not the case. It’s a pipe dream that politicians like to sell you because it place THEM at the center of the economy and makes THEM the controllers of economic resources.

            Explain to me please how politicians can control an economy better than free people making free choices in a market that rewards thrift and innovation. I am curious to hear your answer to this. How did the masterminds in politics come to be smarter than everyone else?

            The truth is, Metro, that economic growth comes from entreprenuerial innovation, NOT from “stimulating” demand by redistributing wealth. Did Steve Jobs do a focus group to figure out if people wanted iPhones? Of course not. He is famous for hating focus groups. He innovated and developed the market before people knew they wanted an iPhone. Of course, that was a major success we all know of. There are countless other innovations that are less visible to the masses, but it remains true that those innovations are what drive economic activity and growth, and which results in growing employment and rising wages. Politicians CANNOT create innovation or economic growth. They can only steal wealth from those who create it. And in so doing, they stifle innovation by taking a bigger and bigger chunk of the lifeblood of business innovation: capital. They further stifle innovation through an ever growing bureaucratic state that seeks to regulate every aspect of business and life. You want to know why our economy is growing so slowly? This is precisely why. Government takes too much from the capital markets to finance it’s own profligacy and then acts like a boa constrictor on the market place. And they get away with it because they have sold you on the concept that you need them.

            Regarding SS… I am impressed that you have even admitted that means testing and raising the age for eligibility are ideas that should be considered. But your assuming that I want NO SS is wrong and nothing could be further from the truth. You make a false argument which is typical of the lefties. That is, if I say that I do not want the government to grow food, your false charge is that I don’t want people to eat. That is 100% FALSE. The fact is that you would have about 250% more money in your retirement if YOU kept your SS contributions plus your employer match in a private account controlled by you and did nothing but index investing or even bought government bonds with it. And the politicians would NEVER get their hands on it. Like that proverbial “lock box” that they lie to you about and never existed. You older people bought that lie hook line and sinker and were reeled in an gutted by the pols without even being aware of it.

            SS is a classic Ponzi scheme that requires new suckers to put money in so the lucky older suckers can take it out. You don’t think this is true? OK…. What do you think would happen to your SS checks if they stopped collecting it from workers paychecks this week? Hmmmm????? Don’t bother. You know your checks would stop immediately. This is the definition of a Ponzi scheme, Metro. If it’s not a Ponzi scheme, what else is it?

            Regarding wealth distribution by age group, those over 55 account for 63% of the wealth of America. Those over 64 account for 34% of the nations wealth. DO NOT misunderstand me, Metro. I am NOT complaining or coming at this from a leftist freak jealousy perspective. I begrudge NO man for what he has. I simply point this out to show why means testing for SS must be done. Many, many people collecting SS checks are wealthy and/or have generous pensions and other assets which, in light of the insolvency of the Ponzi scheme, would neccessitate reducing or eliminating their entitlements. Any grandparent that cannot see the current situation as being a MASSIVE burden on their grandchildren and great grandchildren should be ashamed of themselves. But alas, many are not really aware of these facts because our pols and our media’s refusal to tell them the truth. To have an adult conversation. And of course, the douche bags in the DemonRAT party make up lies and commercials with Granny getting pushed off the cliff. This makes an adult conversation in American virtually impossible. Too bad.

            One other point…. If a corporation pays taxes, who do you REALLY think pays those taxes, Metro? That’s right. The end consumer is the one that really pays the taxes in the purchase of goods and services. The fact is that there should be zero corporate taxes in America since they are ultimately passed on to the consumers anyway. While I’m at it, individual taxes should be capped at 15% of total income at ALL levels. I’d compromise on saying the same rate applies to corporations.

            That’s enough. I have more to say but this is already gone on too long.

            Have a great weekend, my friend! Send my regards to Mrs. Metro, please.

            “The great danger to the consumer is the monopoly — whether private or governmental. His most effective protection is free
            competition at home and free trade throughout the world. The consumer is protected from being exploited by one seller by the existence of another seller from whom he can buy and who is eager to sell to him. Alternative sources of supply protect the consumer far more effectively than all the Ralph Naders of the world.” – Milton Friedman

          • metrognome3830

            Oh, geez, OMG! I’m not going to reply to all of that today. It’s a holiday! Go grill some hamburgers & hot dogs, have a few beers and enjoy the good life. While it lasts. Your quote from Milton Friedman explains a lot about what’s wrong with today’s economy. Our complete non-compliance with our own anti-trust laws. We have seen the near eradication of the family farm (a lifestyle that I loved, by the way), and monopolization of one industry after another. All with the complicity of our government despite the Sherman Anti-Trust act. How can this happen? Because money is the main motivator, our religion. You criticize my stand that too much money is being thrown around the capitol and buying influence by saying we all have the right to address the government. That means absolutely nothing to us working class slobs. We couldn’t muster enough money to get an audience with the outer office secretary of a minor department head. When we band together in unions then we are classified as “thugs.” I believe that if this country continues with the policies of your friend Scott Walker, you may be seeing a lot more of those “Union Thugs.” You really can’t believe that the Scott Walker’s of this country are going to get by with what they are doing forever, do you?
            But, like I say, it’s a holiday. Enjoy some quality time with Mrs. OMG and the young OMGs. Treat them well. Someday they may be making the policy we live under, so don’t make them angry.
            Have a Nice Holiday!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jean.lingelbach Jean Occupy Lingelbach

            You are a coward and a traitor.

          • Yvette White

            I get that you have SHIT FOR BRAINS DO YOU UNERDSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH

          • sunshine 3

            No one understands his post because, not only is he misinformed, he has had to resort to name-calling and typical extremism to attempt to make a point. Sadly, his only point is hatred and bigotry. Fortunately, most informed Americans remain above that type of demeaner.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Bearing what you’ve said in mind,it still is sometimes very satisfying to fight fire with fire,if you know what I mean.

          • sunshine 3

            It’s easy to fight fire with fire without resorting to name-calling. I do it all the time; however, it is a learning process. Name-calling shows a lack of command of the English language and is closely related to bullying. I often think of how we set examples for children and wonder why they grow up bullying their peers.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I understand what you are saying but don’t agree with the charge that namecalling demonstrates a lack of command of the English language.Depending on the names being used it may very well demonstrate the opposite.
            I spent a great deal of my life on the waterfront and can cuss a blue streak to make a sailor blush.Many times I have had the pleasure to blow back the hair of some bullshit bastard.Considering where I was,I often added an uppercut and a punch in the nose for emphasis that resulted in the end of discussion. There are some things that are not open to debate.

          • Susan

            President Obama is not “under the threat of imprisonment”. That’s fantasy from inside your American Taliban head. Go ahead arrest him. You’ve had plenty of time. I’m waiting… If you get SS you have worked and saved for your retirement dimwit. It’s taken out of your paycheck, which is why you are unaware of that fact.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Suzie…. you know exactly what I meant. Taxpayers are under threat of imprisonment. But to pick up on your theme…. Unfortunately, Obozo is not already in prison, but should be.
            Have a nice day!

          • Susan

            If he should be, arrest him or stop screaming that and impeachment. Do it or shut up about it. I’m still waiting…

          • Independent1

            Susan, don’t waste the effort of responding to mental incompetents like Obozo – people with IQs of less than 10 are impossible to reason with, no matter how much you refute their delusional comments – they’ll insist that IT’S YOU that doesn’t get it – when they never had it in the first place because of their total stupidity.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            This mentally deficient rabble-rouser named Obozo comes on here periodically (maybe when the moon is full) to post utter nonsense. He doesn’t care if his posts make any sense; he gets his kicks from all of the shit that he stirs up. It’s rumored that he gets paid for each post in response to his garbage, so the best thing any sentient being here can do is to absolutely ignore this moron. He needs to go into therapy, get some semblance of a life, and try hard to understand reality. He’s more to be pitied than scorned. Just sayin’…

          • Independent1

            I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been trying lately not to respond to these troll’s idiot statements – unless their post brings up a topic that I think gives me the opportunity to post information I’ve gained through research which will further enlighten other posters on the NM to just how much of a disaster the GOP has been to America, and to the many red states, over the past 50 years and more.

            It’s unfortunate that voters in many states have allowed the GOP to not only turn Red States into leading the nation in having the highest percent of their residents living below the poverty level and needing to use food stamps but red states also lead the nation in having the highest levels of homicides, auto accidents, infant mortality, lowest life expectancy, gun ownership, highest levels of mortality due to firearms, and 5 red states lead the nation in just plain violent crime.

          • idamag

            Achtung! Obozo is here. Heil!

          • Yvette White

            why don’t they put your stupid ass in prison, wow you bastards hate so much would you just die already, I don’t know you and I wish you would dead

          • Justin Napolitano

            I was wondering when a sewer would open and you would emerge.
            And as usual you brought your smell with you.

          • Mark Forsyth

            How convenient it is for an ignorant pos like you to ignore the fact that so many American citizens have been ripped off for their retirement savings due to republican sponsored programs enabling both government and Wall Street crooks to do it and remain scot free.

          • Annemb

            You are exactly right!

            A friend lost $20,000+ from her IRA, money that she’d been saving over the years and was left with nothing when she retired except her Social Security.

          • 4sanity4all

            If it wasn’t for my husbands pension, I would be in the same shape as your friend because of a similar situation. And trying to save since the crash is a joke, because the banks offer less than 1 per cent on my IRA. Are they kidding? That would only suffice if I could live another 500 years.

          • Annemb

            I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s all about greed and the worship at the altar of greed.

            Take care of yourselves…I’ll keep you in my prayers.

            Blessings be upon you and yours.

          • idamag

            That happened to a lot of people and now they want to take that.

          • Annemb

            You are so right! And she was just before she retired. After all those years of saving – gone!

            Blessings…

          • ObozoMustGo

            Mark…. take thy head from thy arse! You need to wake up. The coziness between Wall Street and Washington is NOT a party thing. It’s both R’s and D’s that have been screwing America for over 100 years, at least most of them. They are both big government progressives, just slight variations. The only good politician is the one who tells us that he will leave us alone and that we don’t need him for our survival. There’s only a few of those out there, but more are coming… we can only hope.

            Have a nice day!

            “In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.” — John Adams

          • Mark Forsyth

            Nope,you’re still a stupid,stinking troll.Get off the Memo page.

          • idamag

            Obozo’s racism came through on boards pre-election. I don’t respond to racists and white supremists. They are out there proselytizing.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I am improving on my ability to ignore the ignorance of trolls.However,there still are times when certain falsehoods or obnoxious statements are made that are particularly offensive.It is then that I unleash my anger rather than to internalize it.I know that my passionate attacks are often quite nasty and disturb the gentler more sensible folks[my friendly acquaintences,you included],so I must apologise for my occasional rowdy outbursts.
            I don’t believe in giving quarter to the enemy.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Mark, I’m with you 100%, buddy! As a reasonably well-educated and well-read person, willful stupidity kind of pisses me off. Anybody can make a mistake, faulty assumption, draw an incorrect conclusion; that’s how we learn. But to persist in willfully refusing to accept irrefutable proof, that’s sheer ignorance, and seems to be the source of most of the world’s problems. To those people, I say fuck off!

          • Mortalc01l

            Are you on drugs??? Did we not all have to pay taxes before Obama was elected (twice)?? Did I miss the memo when I was paying a tax rate of 62% under Reagan, that I didn’t need to pay taxes?

            Obama didn’t invent taxes; you can’t possibly blame taxes on him, no matter how virulent your hatred is for him. By the way, for most of Obama’s presidency we have paid LOWER taxes than at any time in the last 53 years.

          • jlover

            TEABAGGERS can’t handle it ! according to teabaggers they didn’t mind paying those taxes…when dumbya was president…becuz they believe he was keeping em safe from al queda

          • http://www.facebook.com/jean.lingelbach Jean Occupy Lingelbach

            I own a house and I had a job and a 401k in 2008 when Wall Street stole 40% of my “retirement” and devalued my home. I worked for a large corporation but haven’t had a raise in several years but my health care premiums keeping going up. Everything keeps going up. You must live in a cave. Too bad all us liberals are supporting your lazy, stupid Republican asses.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Jean… you’ve been duped. Wall Street didn’t steal 40% of your retirement. YOU lost it. Your money is YOUR responsibility. Your government created the environment that drove the housing bubble, and then packaged Fannie and Freedie loans to be sold as “government guaranteed” to the financial industry. They in turn created insurance against default (called credit default swaps) and the house of cards began to be built. You must live in a cave to not know this.

            As well, you must live in a cave if you cannot see the correlation between more government involvement in healthcare and the explosion in costs of healthcare. Here’s an example: If you want to see auto insurance and autocare costs escalate, get the government as involved in auto insurance and auto care as they are in health insurance and healthcare. Very few will be able to afford a car or the maintenance on it within a few short years.

            You can come out of your cave now!

            Have a nice day!

            “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” — Milton Friedman

          • DurdyDawg

            Because your butt head criminal party allowed their masters to take it away from us.. I was also a fool who trusted in the g’ment to assure that my 401k would remain stable but I forgot to take into consideration what the pubs would do once they gained power.. Found out we did for sure.. now I rely on social security that I PAID in to help others so that others could pay in to help me and so on and so on but to your butt sniffers, you want that cash cow so your gonna get it by hook or crook.. Buzz off you weak minded dolt.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Yo Dawg! What up? Your first mistake in life was trusting government in any way, especially with your money. Your 2nd mistake was (I am assuming you are retired) was expecting that the government has anything to do with how stable or not your 401K is. They do NOT. Your investments are at risk always and it is your job to guard them, not a bureaucrat’s job. Your 3rd mistake was being in a position with your 401K that exposed you to too much volatility at or during retirment. YOU should know better. Your 4th mistake was believing the lies of a Ponzi scheme as if it could continue forever without collapse. You’re no more entitled to a living off the backs of others than those others for whom you financed their lives were entitled to yours. You were just dumb enough to be duped. Shame on you!!

            Have a nice day!

            “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

          • greghilbert

            Please see my comment in reply to Independent1 below.

            Take heed of it before letting yourself feel tempted to reply because it constitutes the only warning you are going to get,
            and this message establishes that it was given to you.

            There is nobody who often comments here (to my knowledge) that I would see as more fitting for addition to my libeler list, for action at time of my choosing, than ObozoMustGo, as I happen to be aware of what you chronically do. It’s nothing personal at all, but has to do with what I think of in the same way as others think about “chronic offenders”.

            Anyhow, were you to comment the same to me as you just did to Annemb above, my airtight case for a libel suit against you would be made, by you.
            I do not dare you to do it, I don’t want you to do it, in fact I don’t even want you to reply to me at all. I ask and greatly prefer instead that you simply cease libelous character assassination on this website in preservation of your rights to non-libelous free speech. That is my sole purpose for addressing you.

            Lest you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, I also strongly recommend you do some reading of site comment policy, and Google such terms as “libel”, “defamation”, “reckless disregard”, “willful and malicious intent”, “character assassination”, and read up on it. And confer with a really good attorney before you post another word. Tell that attorney, when he or she tells you what it would cost to defend against a suit he or she (I predict) would tell you that you would likely lose, that it is too late for you to expunge your discus comment record, and also that somebody said something about a multi-party suit analogous to class action.

            Trusting and hoping you will NOT reply to me, go in peace and speak freely except for that stuff I’ve now told you about for your own good.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Bwaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
            ROFLMAO!!!
            Are you threatening me, Greg? For posts of opinion on a comment thread? Please advise.

          • greghilbert

            You asked a fair question and so I give you the honest answer, and politely so. No, I am not threatening you.

            Also, thank you for having said “please” when you asked.
            I will be unable to respond further, but sign off with a wish that we both have a nice day.

          • sunshine 3

            Only way you can attempt to make a statement is by name-calling, again. Consequently, your comments are rendered null and void. (That means worthless.)

          • Yvette White

            your an asshole why don’t you go and get that gun that you love so much and put it in your mouth then pull the trigger I’ll bet you no one would miss your stupid ass

      • Snooz

        Seniors are already bleeding American kids dry. Maybe if baby boomers kept american industry competitive, developed nuclear power and developed american resources, we wouldn’t have that problem, but your generation completely wrecked the country and on every level. Now you expect your grandkids to foot the bill for you! For shame!

        • Annemb

          Untrue!

          • Independent1

            Careful Anne, Snooz is one of those mental incompetent trolls who’s trying to sucker you into a totally nonsense discussion by making absurd statements that only a totally delusional low IQ mental incompetent like him or herself could rationalize.

          • Annemb

            Thanks for the warning! I have no time to waste nonsensical and meaningless discussions.

        • dpaano

          Snooz: I hate to pop your bubble, but who do you think invented nuclear power, developed American resources, etc.? I haven’t seen any of the new generation come up with anything lucrative or helpful to anyone unless I just have been not reading the newspaper lately. Maybe you can enlighten me. What in heck has your generation done vs what our generation has done! As for grandkids footing the bill for us…..we footed the bill for OUR grandparents and haven’t bitched about that! You’re the one that should be ashamed! What an ininformed nincompoop you are! Go back to your cave and hibernate another couple of hundred years!

          • Snooz

            Nuclear Power was invented by the World War II generation. Our generation, X,Y and later, invented the internet. We win.

          • Bill Hanson

            To Bikejedi, So what institution did you escape from

          • Bill Hanson

            To all those Repuglicans who adored George W Bush, the man who insisted that we go to war DESPITE all the warnings that there were NO Weapons of Mass Destruction, and then after we tore that country apart, it was CONFIRMED that there were NO Weapons of Mass Destruction. HOW MUCH did THAT war cost ? Bush and his minions estimated it at 55 billion, and it has been updated to 6 Trillion. How’s that for a baby boomer buttfuck, but you don’t want to hear about that, do you? Why don’t you use the excuse,” oh, that’s old news.” 6 Trillion !!! I’ll bet half of the fox-zombified crowd don’t even know how many zero’s to put down, And Where is your little war hero, now? Under the same rock he scurried under 6 years ago, that’s where.

          • idamag

            Our generation passed Civil Rights, Snooz’s generation is trying to dismantle it.

        • idamag

          You must be part of the selfish generation. I paid into Social Security for over 60years and I knew my money was cutting checks for the generation older than me. It was a way of life. Now, when it is our turn, your generation is too selfish to do what we did for others. Social Security has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus that you would like to get your hands on. Your generation is the narcissistic generation. It is all about you. Your generation would rather see the country go into bankruptcy than have your taxes raised by a dollar. Go play with your favorite person, yourself.

          • Snooz

            Selfish generation? You baby boomers sound like you haven’t matured beyond teenagers. “I worked soooo hard”, yet, you can’t see anything they’ve accomplished. “I deserve so much”, but can’t really say why. “You are so greedy”. Yep, Baby Boomers stuck at 13. But here’s some facts for you:

            a) Social Security Taxes were considerably less for baby boomers for much of their working lives. From the 1960s through the 1980s, baby boomers paid way less than subsequent generations paid.

            b) Baby boomers are going to get their ill deserved social security and medicare. It’s a foregone conclusion Gen X and later will not. Basically, we’re paying more taxes for your retirement, and we will not get the same.

            c) Baby boomers protested viet nam, then turned around and sent their kids into 2 more, spending trillions in the process.

            d) Baby boomers presided over the death of American manufacturing. Baby boomers looted urban infrastructure budgets, looted public schools, and then, instead of making, building or learning anything, baby boomers basically made doctors and lawyers and trade to be and produced not a shred of wealth in the process.

            Your generation is the largest and most comprehensive failure of any generation in any nation in history. You should be grateful that the few children you were too lazy to have are kind enough to pay down your national debt that you stupidly raised, and pay for your retirement. As a generation goes, you fail.

        • idamag

          I paid into Social Security for over 60 years. All the FICA taken from my check went to cut checks for the generation older than me. That is the way it works. Then along comes the narcissistic generation. It is their turn, just like it was my turn and they don’t want to take their turn. SS has a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus that your generation would like to have benefit you in lower taxes because you are selfish.

          • Snooz

            Selfish? Our generation isn’t going to get social security or medicare, but we’re still paying for you.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            If your generation will wake up and throw the greed bag republicans out, you just might have a chance at receiving Social Security and Medicare. As a matter of fact, if your generation would stop your pissing and moaning, you might elect people who would pass single payer health care and thus cause the USA to be like the rest of the civilized world. Try it, you might like it!

          • idamag

            I paid for two generations. If your generation does not get Social Security it will be because you let Ryan, Boehner and McConnell destroy it. It can be fixed. All that is needed is to remove the cap that says after a person makes 120,000 dollars/yr he no longer has to pay in. His Social Security check will be based on his highest earnings. So, he should pay in. I never groused about paying Social Security to support the generations older than me. So, you are still the selfish generation.

    • greghilbert

      It will not end differently. It is the banking cartel and it’s Fed and Wall Street that hold the purse and puppet strings. They will let the Repub elite squeeze to the max and the Dem elite appease to the max, and then tell both exactly where to strike the balance that keeps their predatory ponzi going. They all win, we all lose. That’s what the system is set up to do.

      • Independent1

        Boy!! You mental incompetents are really out in force tonight aren’t you!! Why don’t you go post on Yahoo News or something so you can join more mental incompetents like youselves!!!

        • greghilbert

          Why is it that people like you who are evidently Team-ObamaDem fans resort to personal insults and character assassinations when confronted with an individual who takes the view that the Repub and Dem elite may be greater evil and lesser evil but that combined they serve the banksters and other Wall Street corporate wealthy, and not us? Why is it that you do exactly the same as TeamRepubs do on the sites THEY dominate, ie resort to personal insults and character assassination? I am many things, but a mental incompetent I am not. I use my real name and I value my good name more than life itself. I am quite capable of proving my mental competence, and advise you now that I rely upon it to earn a living. I should like to now warn you that if you further injure my good name in reckless disregard of provable facts I have told you of, I have all the airtight grounds I need to sue you for libel and obtain compensation inclusive of my cost to obtain it. Be further advised you cannot hide behind what you believe to be the anonymity of your avatar. Be further advised that I have already taken steps to enable swift and decisive action against libel, at such times as I have incontrovertible grounds and elect to avail of them.

          Now, you were saying?

          • Independent1

            Good luck with the libel thing – you knowingly came on a website and posted a controversial comment where posters ROUTINELY call each other idiot, A-hole, moron and worse than that, and you’re trying to get me to believe some judge would award you a libel case because I called you mentally incompetent?? Fat Chance!! However, having said that, I find after rereading your post that I really don’t disagree with what you said. I had previoulsy been responding to a number of obvious trolls on the NM who were purposely making inflammatory comments and I mistook the thrust of the comments you made. I changed the thumbs down I had given you last night to a thumbs up. Sorry about being hasty.

          • greghilbert

            Thank you, Independent1, you exhibit integrity of a kind the world needs more of. and I wish you well in the expression of your views, so that any and all truths in them are heard.
            Ironically, it had been my intent to warn one of the “trolls” * you speak of when your first comment to me popped in. I got around to warning that person later. As to the libel thing, you are correct as far as things went. Perhaps this part of what I wrote did not register for you: “I should like to now warn you that IF you further injure my good name in
            reckless disregard of provable facts I have told you of…”. That IF is the operative thing, and IF you had retorted accusing me of being a paid troll for the Koch brothers or some such, I can assure you I would have had an airtight case for suit for libel, and a very high probability of not just winning it, but being awarded damages and legal expenses. Trust me. I know, and not just as to the law. Part of it has to do with the court where one files, and timing to avoid risk of assignment of the case to the one of the few judges who may be somewhat lenient toward libelers. But that is now irrelevant, and I stress it only for the sake of a certain “troll” I have warned.

            Thank you again. From this and because of you I have gained an idea for how I might be able to comment on NM occassionally (I now rarely do): by offering to explain how many independent progressives like me see certain issues — but usually only giving that explanation when someone asks for it. In other words, avoidance of the “troll” thing, which only closes minds among like-thinkers on every site.

            *A person who repeatedly comments to ridicule and harass groups known to hold views to which he/she is hostile.

          • Independent1

            Thanks for the clarifications and for the legal parlance! You’re right about trolls often closing the minds of like thinkers. I find that trolls can be a two-edged sword – in some instances their absurd comments can be an excuse for airing viewpoints and facts one-time that may be educational to posters other than themselves (I’ve come to realize that carrying on a back and forth dialogue with a troll is a total waste of time); but in other instances, the nonsense trolls spew can prevent rational posters from exchanging their true viewpoints by creating a total distraction to the comment blog. My sense is that in instances where trolls are not actually being paid to disrupt comment blogs for posters of like minds (e.g. their not a troll for the RNC or the Koch Bros. as you suggested), that what’s unfortunate is that these trolls get their kicks out of spewing their toxic nonsense for purely malicious purposes – knowing full well that the comments they’re making are pure absurdities – it’s a form of harassment.

        • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

          So, in your estimation, what?

    • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

      They don’t have to.

      Explained in 15 seconds:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

    • ObozoMustGo

      Boy… you are a gullible moron if you think the deficit is the thing to focus on. You’re just rehashing Obozo’s lies and doublespeak on this topic. If you want facts (which I think you don’t because if you did, you would not post such stupidity) you must go and read the following:

      http://www.justfactsdaily.com/debt-versus-deficit-obamas-bait-and-switch

      You will actually learn something. At least that’s the theory.

      Have a nice day, and do try not to remain oblivious!

      “The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth.” – ObozoMustGo

  • dpaano

    These people just get more and more stupid as times goes on….but, hey, the stupider they get, the better we Democrats look!!

    • Annemb

      I love your post. I just that Democrats remember the words of Thomas Jefferson – “The cornerstone of democracy rests on an informed electorate.”

    • Susan

      That’s the best thing about what is going on in American politics right now. The Get Obama Party and the American Taliban are ensuring that we’ll never see a Conservative in the office of President again. Their tactics are backfiring miserably on them.

      • Annemb

        Amen to that!

    • Mark Forsyth

      Well since so many of them are in the back pockets of Big Oil and Gas,perhaps they can be convinced to bathe in gasoline.If everyone here will attend the party I promise to bring the matches.

      • Snooz

        Ha! There’s not going to be any gasoline because your side is against all fossil fuels. Guess you’ll be huffing on your way to the welfare office to find there’s no money left.

        • Mark Forsyth

          I don’t require welfare nor would I waste a valuable match to light your worthless ass on fire.Your negativity will be sufficient to cause your destruction, you have already mixed it with your combustible ignorance that is dripping off your every word.
          Flame On Asshole!

          • Snooz

            Blah blah blah blah blah…..

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            WOW!!! That’s a brilliant riposte! Typical, I would say. when the one brain cell has been overworked…

          • Snooz

            Oh, go back to trying to get $15 an hour flipping burgers so we can get rich building robots to replace you.

        • Independent1

          Odd isn’t it that this comes from PolitiFact:

          The data shows that domestic oil production is in fact at its highest level in eight years. In January, the U.S. produced 188.9 million barrels of oil, the largest monthly output since August 1998.

          Kind of of odd that the administration that “is against all fossil fuels.” is managing to acheive the highest oil production in 15 years. And I believe if I checked out natural gas I would come up with the same result.

          • Snooz

            Why don’t you left wingers ever tell the truth. The fact is, natural gas and oil production are at their highest because they are mostly occuring either on private lands or on state held lands that support them. If Democrats had their way, as evidenced by all the anti-fracking activism, the votes in NY to ban fracking, and votes in California for the same, there would be no fracking and no oil. Any increased production is coming against what your party would have this country do and for you to have this administration and your side claim credit is just disgusting.

            Can you be honest about anything? Why do liberals have to lie all the time so pathologically?

          • Snooz

            And to my original point, if Democrats are so serious about fossil production, why not drill in ANWR with a state held company, and use the money to fund Medicare? In fact, the state of New York could open up fracking to cover New Yorks vast pension fund obligations….

  • Annemb

    Mandatory cuts … oh Mr. Boehner study the Constitution. This means that the massive cuts will be as a result of eliminating corporate welfare, having the rich do their share in paying taxes as in the Sixteenth (XVI) Amendment of the Constitution which reads as follows:
    “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

    • CPAinNewYork

      Does anyone know that there are TRILLIONS in untaxed offshore funds that represent corporate and rich people profits? Instead of declaring an amnesty that would let those funds be repatriated at lower than usual tax rates, we need to declare all of those funds fully taxable at the present rates.

      • Annemb

        Yes. Why isn’t something done about it? Can the President do something or do we have to wait for the do-nothing obstructing right-wingers to return…and they they’ll do nothing.

        A great and true post! I gave you a thumbs up…

        • CPAinNewYork

          If that piece of information made you angry, this will make you even more angry:

          Several years ago, Congress declared an “amnesty” that allowed the corporate owners of those offshore funds to repatriate at the rate of just over 5%! In return, those funds couldn’t be used to pay executive bonuses or to buy back corporate stock. The rationale was to encourage the corporate owners to increase hiring.

          Well, the corporate owners violated the restriction by paying executive bonuses and buying back stock. Their excuse: They claimed that they inadvertently commingled the repatriated funds with other corporate funds, so that they lost track of the repatriated funds.

          Can you believe the gall? To be truthful, those corporations would have to have accounting systems so poor that they truly lost track of the repatriated funds. Do you know what was done about it? NOTHING. The Internal Revenue Service didn’t assess them to recover the difference between the normal tax rates and the five percent. Obama sat on his hands. So did Eric Holder, who laughingly passes for an Attorney General.

          If that’s not enough to get your blood pressure up, here’s another fact: Congress a couple of years later was entertaining another “amnesty.” This would have allowed repatriation of just over 8%. That idea died on the vine, but a recent column in the National Memo advocated Obama’s adopting yet another amnesty, to encourage corporations to hire more people.

          I forget the author’s name, but if you want to pursue it, I’m sure that National Memo could give it to you. I was so angry that i didn’t even finish reading the article.

          • Annemb

            Thanks for your post. And yes, this does make me angrier.

      • Susan

        Plus isn’t it illegal to hide taxable income? They should also be prosecuted.

        • CPAinNewYork

          No, what they’re doing is not illegal. It’s unethical, but not illegal.

          The fact that it’s not illegal just shows us how skewed the law is in favor of the rich and the big corporations.

      • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

        AND tax all hedge fund income at ordinary income rates, not as investment income at 15%!

        • CPAinNewYork

          Amen to that. It is criminal the way the tax laws favor the rich. “Settled interest,” which is the term for allowing hedge fund managers to get the 15% tax rate, should be abolished immediately.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    I have a plan. Boehner cuts the SS I paid into for 34 years. I submit a bill for the money I paid in. He defaults on my payment. I take his ass to court and his cannibal bois with him. That ought to wake up a few House GOP and Senate asses.

    • Snooz

      That’s like trying to submit a bill to the insurance company for premiums to try and buy a new car. That money you put into SS is not yours. After all, if all you could collect was your “investment”, then, should it stop for seniors when their investment “runs out”?

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    SS and Medicare are legal and binding contracts with the government. You pay and they owe. Boehner better not even dare try to mess with SS or Medicare if he doesn’t want to be served on toast.

    • gvette

      Altogether, ObamaCare cuts $818 billion from Medicare Part A (hospital insurance) from 2014-2023, the first 10 years of its full implementation, and $3.2 trillion over the first 20 years, 2014-2033. Adding in ObamaCare cuts for Medicare Part B (physicians fees and other services) brings the total cut to $1.05 trillion over the first 10 years and $4.95 trillion over the first 20 years.
      - See more at: http://socialsecurityinstitute.com/blog/how-obamacare-guts-medicare#sthash.UbO3ToN8.dpuf

      • ObozoMustGo

        Leave Eleanor alone… she want’s nothing to do with facts…. especially the inconvenient kind that wake her from the 5 year trance she’s been in while worshiping her messiah, Obozo. She’s a typical low information moron that believes what Obozo says, but disassociates his policy actions and the results of what he does, which are 95% of the time opposites of one another. Your cited Obozocare facts are the quintessential example of just that. Nice work.

        Have a nice day!

        Sen. Barack Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006 — “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

        • sunshine 3

          Again, name-calling. When one must resort to name-calling and additional degrading rhetoric, you can be sure it is his only means of attempting and failing to present facts. Simply unadorned hatred..

        • Justin Napolitano

          Once again, obozomust go, you have vomited some of your bile.
          Please go back into your sewer, no one cares what you think.

        • Independent1

          Given that Bush had run up over 300 billion in deficit spending for 6 years in a row, Obama’s speech was MORE THAN JUSTIFIED!! But then a totally clueless person such as yourself wouldn’t know the difference anyway – would you MORON!!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            Don’t be an idiot, Inde. Educate yourself and understand the verbal tricks the politicians play when they speak of deficits. Here is a good, middle of the road factual article about debts and deficit:

            http://www.justfactsdaily.com/debt-versus-deficit-obamas-bait-and-switch

            By the way, read the quote below. Who do you belive? Obozo or Obozo?

            Have a nice day!

            Sen. Barack Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006 — “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
            Americans deserve better.”

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Yes..He did. Now…check out where the cuts were made…Formerly, HMOs were allowed to call 80% of their incoming revenues (read your healthcare premiums) “profit.” That would leave them 20% to pay out claims. When they fell short, they jacked the cost of policies, rejected claims and dropped the most seriously ill from healthcare insurance altogether. Thanks to our president, these extortionists can’t claim that 80% as of 2012…now they can only claim 20%…which accounts for the reason why they are now returning in rebates some of the money they stole from their customers. Medicare will be Obamacare. It was originally intended to be a single payer plan. You can blame the GOP Bull Males who suck up to HMOs for their campaign funds for that part of the original ACA being cut.

        Already people are reporting that the days of those outrageous copays are over. What more did the HMOs have left to steal to make their bank accounts fatter? 40 million Americans were at or near medical bankruptcy as reported by AARP in 2008. If the GOP dares to try and stop this healthcare reform, their asses are grass and seniors will be the most state-of-the-art lawn mowers they’ve ever seen.

        • Annemb

          A great post!

        • gvette

          I do hope you wake up, before it’s to late. The people that wrote it, know it will fail. You just go right on believing Barry. LOL..It’s your right!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            It isn’t me who needs to wake up. It’s people like you who want it all your way all the time. That’s not going to happen. Tell you what…How about we hand over your 401Ks to Boehner and let him do as he and his freaky loonies want. That be okay with you? There is NO difference in a payroll deduction for a 401K than for SS and Medicare with one caveat…Your 401K is used as a hedge fund for wealth for the big shots at the top.

            Grow up. You can’t have healthcare reform where HMOs rake in 80% and call that “profit” and then try to pay out claims with 20% and as for your BS ideas that it isn’t working, you are out of touch with reality. Even the folks in KY are now seeing their state Obamacare healthcare plans are better than what they had.

            Isn’t it too bad you can’t be a “Have” for the rest of your life? Booo hooooo…time to wake up and smell the coffee…Healthcare in the US was only affordable for selfish, right wing piggy “Haves”…and now…You don’t get to ride ‘em high into the Crawford Sunset. We are fed up with you Poor Rich always crying poverty when you live like pigs.

          • gvette

            Look moron, i pay my way. it’s all you on the left, looking for free!! Everything you know about Barry care, would fit in a thimble!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Look jackass….I work 3 …got that 3 effing jobs….so you don’t have to pay the same income taxes I do. So your property taxes in red states are spent trashing this president. I know more about the ACA than you EVER will. You’re just another bumbler of the right who can’t get his way. How does it feel to be called a jackass moron? Another right wing Ahole who knows it all and yet can’t learn to live on the salaries they earn. That’s why you Bull Males are being put out to pasture and you don’t even know it. I worked for the past 42 years in at least 2 jobs. I paid my way in this life. It’s time for you scoundrel riff raff to learn you can’t work 15 minutes a week and earn a year’s salary. Let me guess…You own an gas guzzling SUV that costs $100 a pop to fill the gas tank? You take 3 vacations a year…and your state tax revenues and subsidies are coming out of the blue states taxes. Figures…More DogPatch Bull Male BS. Grow up little man. Those raisins in your jeans impress no one.

          • gvette

            LOL..look, you piece of shit. You work for someone else, because you need to suck off others. On your own, you’re nothing. Yes, i own a small business. Unlike you, i don’t need to have someone tell me what to do. That’s part of the reason demonrats don’t own their own. I guess if you were truly worth anything, you might have vbeen able to find one good job. Oh wait, there aren’t many full time jobs left, because of Obama! That’s ok, there will be more, after he starts a war we don’t need. To bad you can’t see the forest for the trees, you halfwit!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Awwww…Look everyone…Mr. Man didn’t get his way…So now he is showing all of us how well he wasn’t raised. Hey asshole…I work 3 jobs….Keep up. I work one full-time and 2 part-time jobs because unlike you, I know how to earn a living. Unlike you I don’t need a woman to suck a second paycheck off of. The reason women detest Bull Males like you is because you think your bowel movements are 14K gold. Think again oh sap-o-the-sty.

            If you want to know who I really am…go to any bookstore. I’ve got two books published. You can’t even post intelligent English properly.

            As for jobs…the DOL has been reporting an increase 175,000 jobs a month since the fall of 2012 and most of them are in the solar industry…Sucks for the Big Oil Big Daddies right? Sucks for the thieving Bull Males who were living high on the hog from other peoples’ money. Where do you get your paycheck if not from others? As for taxes, I live in a state with the highest taxes in the country and I’m proud to say we take care of our own without help from the suck ups in red states. Now shithead…Tell McWifey to do her wifely duty…your sexual frustration is showing big time. Aww poor lil Mr. Man…Daisy Mae is too busy to satisfy Lil Abner.

      • idamag

        He cut part of it from redundancy. My husband was in the hospital. They took pictures of the inside of his stomach. They did X-rays and several tests. When he was released, he was sent to get a colonoscopy. That doctor wanted to do all the tests over. I pointed out that they just did those tests in the hospital. The doctor said he liked to do his own testing. They can no longer charge Medicare over and over for re-testing. They now have to share tests.

    • Snooz

      SS is a social insurance program. The money you put into it is a premium, not an investment. It can pay you whatever it wants to. If you wanted SS to be a real savings program, then your side should have agreed to let people have part of their SS savings go into real investments. But, you didn’t.

      • Annemb

        …and lose them when the stock market crashes like in 2008?

        • Snooz

          Or, double them when Democrats are in office, lol.

        • idamag

          Remember what happened to the stock market, under GWB after he attempted to privatize Social Security?

          • Annemb

            I sure do!

            Faved.

    • Annemb

      I second your post.

      Thanks…

      • idamag

        You have my vote, also.

        • Annemb

          Thanks…

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    It’s long past time to impeach Boehner. Call a nationwide petition and get rid of Boehner…the rest of the GOP Bull Male Dominator Party will fall like a house of cards.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Don’t forget to get rid of Norquist and Rove.Use both barrels loaded with double ought buck and you can take care of all three with one shot.

    • plc97477

      It would be better to have his state recall him or not vote for him again.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        It would be better. But our Founding Fathers knew that states could so very easily tie up the rest of the states with states’ rights that grow out of control. We have no reason to believe OH which is Boehner’s state is suddenly going to want to start paying for their healthcare or their welfare. Let’s remember that OH is in the top 10 of states with welfare. And, as we all know, welfare isn’t paid by states individually. It’s paid conglomeratively by all of the states..in other words “federal taxes.”

        If these red states are so in live with their individual states rights that those states right begin to infringe on the rights of taxpayers in other states, it’s time for the federal taxpayers to start cutting off the funds our taxes provide to OH until they stop their incessant need to bully and obstruct by continually electing those they know will do just that.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    Trust me…He’s speaker of the House and he can be impeached. The Constitution says so.

    • http://www.davidlauri.com David Lauri

      Impeaching Boehner presents the same problem for the Democrats that convicting Obama does for the Republicans. Yes, the Republicans in the House could impeach Obama if they wanted, but to what end? There aren’t enough votes in the Senate to convict Obama and remove him from office. Similarly, Democrats in the Senate could convict Boehner if he were impeached, but guess what? There aren’t enough votes in the House to impeach him in the first place.

      • Mark Forsyth

        That’s what mid-term elections are for.

  • CPAinNewYork

    Boehner is a total Republican son of a bitch. Any senior citizen who votes Republican is a fool.

  • Larry Jones

    I am guessing the Tea Baggers who get social security and medicare right now must be thrilled with Boner (mistake in spelling is on purpose). I wonder how they will feel when their social security check gets smaller, and they find less of their medical bills paid. I wonder how they will feel knowing Boner and his boys are letting them suffer so the rich fat cats can enjoy higher incomes. Tea Baggers may never admit it but some of the older Tea Baggers will live to regret voting for some of there pea brains if their agenda is allowed to happen.

    • Susan

      A lot of them are into the religious idea of suffering and see “innocents’ suffering as evidence of the inscrutable will of a God.” So, no, they wouldn’t regret it. They would revel in it. This allows the Repugs to prey on them like the zombies they are. If President Obama acquiesces even a tiny bit I will be very disappointed. He should counter with cuts in corporate welfare and the elimination of offshore tax havens.

  • Dominick Vila

    The Republican “solution” to our budget deficits and subsequent accumulation of debt is neither surprising nor unprecedented. As usual, the GOP prefers to balance the Federal government budgets and end the need to borrow by cutting or eliminating the benefits our most vulnerable citizens get to subsist. What is missing from the GOP equation is an increase in the tax rate for our highest earners, elimination of loopholes, going after those who deposit part of their fortunes in foreign banks in the Cayman Islands or Switzerland, and modifying a socio-economic system designed to help the elite at the expense of the upper class.
    Someone should remind Mr. Boehner that we cannot end deficit spending by cutting the checks senior citizens receive and depend on to pay the rent and buy food, or by eliminating the medical programs they depend on to survive.
    Mr. Boehner is a Robin Hood in reverse, and hopefully he will not get away with it.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Unfortunately, Boner is just “puffing” at a fundraiser. He has no intention of doing the hard work of reigning in an out of control government that is consuming our economy and our freedoms at an ever growing pace. He has about as much backbone as a slug. (sorry, slugs).

    And of course, all of you leftist freaks who live in fantasy world see nothing wrong with a government that puts unfair burdens on future generations in exchange for getting your greedy little hands on their current and/or future earnings by indebting them more and more.

    For all of you out there who are retired with plenty of assets and income to be comfortable, yet are still taking some of your living off the back of the younger generations from SS or Medicare, it is YOU who are the greedy bastards. It is YOU who are the immoral scumbags by still demanding that younger generations finance you when you really don’t need it. And it is YOU who harm those older Americans who actually DO need real help by stealing from them.

    The real way to tackle the so-called entitlements is to means test them. This will be the first way that we get this financial debacle under control. You leftist freaks don’t want to hear about any of that, and most of you morons reading on this site, the author included, are not willing to have an adult conversation about America’s finances, but there are some who may be reading that will understand that the credit card is not limitless. The end is near. And Obozocare is going to be one HUGE nail in the coffin of America’s future.

    If Boner had any guts, he’d stand firm and let the government shut down in order to get rid of at least Obozocare when 60% + of Americans DO NOT WANT IT. This would be a winning issue. But alas, Boner is just a loser RINO that benefits from big government as much as the DemonRATS do.

    Have a nice day!

    “The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance.” – Cicero, 55 BC – “Apparently, we have learned nothing in 2068 years.” – ObozoMustGo, 2013 AD

    • Susan

      Why don’t any of you ever mention eliminating corporate welfare and tax dodging offshore accounts as a source of budget balancing? Those are the entitlements I want to control. You want to means test programs citizens pay into but not address rip offs for the extremely wealthy and corporations? This is the reason I will never support anything you people propose. FYI, Obamacare will have the exact opposite effect than what you state and it’s happening whether you like it to or not.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Oh my… Susan, you are such an idiot, it’s breathtaking. If you think Obozocare is going to cut costs, you live in a fantasy land. The only thing it’s cutting is full time jobs in exchange for lower pay, part time jobs.

        Secondly, corporate profits are kept overseas because the US has the highest corporate tax rates in the world and those profits were earned AND taxed already overseas. The majority of which is earned because companies expand and serve global markets, which is good for economic growth here in the US, as well. Just like Honda or BMW building plants here in the US to serve our market. What’s wrong with that? I just don’t know how so many of you morons out there actually believe this stuff about bringing money home and this will solve your problems. You leftist freaks are greediest sons of beetches out there, yet you have no clue what the consequences of your ideas are, even with decades of evidence slapping you in your empty heads.

        Third, I agree. End corporate welfare of ALL kinds. Some would argue that some of that corporate welfare is to help companies compete against global competetion. I say, I don’t care. If they can’t compete on their own, do something different, or go away. Survive or don’t survive. That’s their business. The problem with corporate welfare like the that which was given to GM and Chrysler, and Fannie and Freddie, and certain large banks, is that we are socializing their losses on the backs of taxpayers, but when they make money they keep it private. This is the first and largest reason why smaller government is the only way to go. When the pols are not important to the businesses, they’ll stop buying them off.

        Have a nice day!

        “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)

        • Susan

          In reality (something with which I am certain you are unfamiliar), America doesn’t have the highest corporate tax rate because of the loopholes that allow corporations to pay little or no taxes. You are the idiot if you think tax rate equates to taxes collected.

          Secondly, I wasn’t referring to overseas corporate taxes. I was referring to tax havens where the extremely rich hide their taxable income. You are the moron who didn’t realize this.

          Thirdly, there is no question Obamacare will cut costs. It already has. The only ones who will suffer are the bankruptcy lawyers since people will no longer need them for medical bills. One of the best things about it is it’s happening whether you want it to or not and will make you and your ilk look like bigger fools than you already do.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Ha Ha HA, I laugh at you obozo because you are a fool and those of us that read your crap do so for entertainment.
          Have a nice day and crawl back into your sewer.

        • dpaano

          Keep drinking that Republican kool-aid……they sure have lobotomized you to the nth degree! You can’t even use your own brain any longer….you just keep reiterating the current BS from the Republican side of the fence. Unbelievable!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            DP, you’re a dope!

          • dpaano

            And, of course, only YOU would say that. Again, go back into your Troll Hole and hibernate, okay?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            and OMG, you’re a dupe!

    • CPAinNewYork

      Hey Obozo Must Go:

      How do you feel about the offshore repatriation “amnesties,”? I suspect that, because they favor the rich bastards in this country, you’re all for them.

      • ObozoMustGo

        CPA… I read your other post with stunning surprise at your ignorance of how this works. The repatriation “amnesties” are intended to create incentive to bring capital back into America that has been earned AND taxed locally already. The reason it doesn’t come back is 2-fold:

        1) after paying taxes already, they would be subject to double taxation in the highest corporate tax rate country of the world… The US.

        2) They can keep the money overseas and invest it there, creating more jobs overseas. This keeps their cost of capital down while raising their opportunity for return on capital. How can you be a CPA and not know this? It’s shocking that you do not know and makes me doubt that you are a CPA at all. You can’t pass the CPA exam without knowing how to calculate cost of capital any more than you can know it without knowing GAAP.

        Also, don’t forget, they are not breaking the law. They are following the law and are reacting rationally to the incentives created by it. Any sane business person would do exactly the same thing.

        Have a nice day!

        • CPAinNewYork

          ObozoMustGo:

          Let’s take your two points in reverse order:

          “…they are not breaking the law.” Very naive of you to say that, because it demonstrates your ignorance of how things are done in America. The rich and the corporate interests don’t break the law BECAUSE THEY WRITE THE LAWS. These corporate- and rich-friendly laws don’t just appear out of nowhere. The money interests hire accountants and lawyers to draft the laws. Then they hire the lobbyists to get hold of legislators to put those laws into legislation. Then they take advantage of those laws.

          “…after paying taxes already….” I assume that you’re referring to the foreign taxes. You are? Good. When funds are repatriated and United States and state taxes are applied, the corporations and the rich take deductions for any foreign taxes paid. Consequently, THEY DO NOT INCUR DOUBLE TAXATION. And don’t forget a device known as tax treaties, which are legal agreements between nations whose specific purpose is to ensure that double taxation is avoided.

          Sorry, ObozoMustGo. Your effort to make the rich and the corporate look innocent just fell apart.

          The rich and the corporate run America and they’re not shy about grabbing all they they can. That works in good times, but when things get “tight,” the people at the bottom get angry and sometimes revolt. If they revolt, their superior numbers become important and the rich are killed off.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA…. you are right that the rich run America. You are right they make the laws. But you’re entire premise is somehow based upon the fantasy that it works any other way in any other form of government today, or that has ever existed. That is, until America was founded and for at least the first 125 years or so. What so many of you guys on the left never seem to understand is that the bigger the government, the more connection between big business and government is. That is, the bigger the government, the more the rich who make the laws do so to favor themselves and to favor their donors. Do you understand this? I’ve been saying this for some time here in these threads. You have got to stop thinking out of jealousy and in the context of the R vs. D mentality. Realize that if government wasn’t so damned big and intrusive, and instead existed under very restricive covenants that limited their power, there’d not be much reason for businesses or rich people to waste their money buying politicians, now would there? You don’t spend your time and money buying off people that cannot help you. There’s no reason. You see, the very thing you decry (businesses and rich people having too much power to benefit themselves) is created by the very thing you guys on the left want: bigger government. It works the same everywhere in any system. The primary reason is that the more government becomes intrusive and large, the smaller the individual becomes, and it is that government control that results in wealth becoming concentrated at the top as a result of the top using government to their advantage. Do you understand this?
            Have a nice day!

          • CPAinNewYork

            ObozoMustGo:

            I’m truly surprised and appalled that you not only acknowledge that the rich and powerful in America foster corruption by buying our national and state legislators, but you defend it as right and proper because that’s the way things are and because historically it’s the way things have been done in the past.

            If the founding fathers of this country thought as you do, then we would not have had a revolution to right wrongs. Fortunately, they did not think as you do. They thought as Ben Franklin thought. I forget the exact quotation, but it went something like this: “The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” The founding fathers put their lives and their fortunes on the line and we have the best country in the world for their sacrifice.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA… you’re getting it all wrong. The Founders created our Constitution precisely the way they did to PREVENT the federal government from becoming an overwhelming leviathan where corruption and greed become the rule of the day. The NEVER envisioned the power that the Feds have today as being the model they sought to create. In fact, it is an incontrovertable truth that bigger governments beget bigger corruption, be they in democratic, autocratic, theocratic, or dictatorships. The form does not really matter so much as the power of those in charge. As such, it is the very nature of man to seek to gain advantage through influence of those in power. I do understand how you guys on the left seek to change the very nature of man in the pursuit of your utopian dreams, but there simply is no basis in reality throughout history where such goals can be accomplished, except through extreme coercion of individuals, in which case we then have tyranny which ultimately no one wants. In other words, your dreams of “doing it right this time” are nothing more than just that… dreams. The best and most effective government is that which governs least, forming the legal and justice system that applies to all equally and getting out of the way. Like the referees to a game enforce the rules and do not participate. Government should be no different. One other point: It continues to amaze me that you guys on the left infer negative intent and desire on those in business or those that have achieved financial success, yet you believe bureaucrats and politicians to have the greatest of intent and character. Hmmmmmm….. simply not true. Those in government are just as subject to human frailties as are anyone else. The Founders knew this and they did their best to create a government that prevented out of control growth in power. This is simply indisputable.

            Have a nice day, CPA!

            “This liberal progressive agenda… is the antithesis of who we are as a constitutional republic.” — Allen West

          • CPAinNewYork

            What blather you write, just to slither out from having to admit that you’re wrong. The issues were: Your incorrect assertions that the tax laws get on the books by some serendipitous route, while I asserted that they’re planted there by the agents of the rich and powerful and your assertion that to tax the offshore funds is double taxation, while I demonstrated that it isn’t.

            In answer to those simple points, you devised wordy drivel that doesn’t even attempt to address the issues at hand. You’re intellectually dishonest. You’ll devise any verbiage to avoid honest argument.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA… you must find it difficult to deal with agreement. The fact is that the conversation started with taxation, but that brought up additional concepts related to WHY the rich spend money to influence politicians. We both agree that they do. Of course they do. Poor people cannot possibly influence politics…. they are poor. But that’s not even the point I am making. The reason the rich influence politics is because they ARE the politicians and the bigger the government gets, the more influence they have. The only resolution to this problem is to have government Constitutionally limited and very small to the point where it doesn’t pay to buy off politicians.

            Back to the tax issue… if the US has the highest corporate tax rates in the world, when a company pays 15% tax on income earned in a foreign country from foreign country operations, bringing that money back incurrs and additional 20% taxation. Why do you think companies do NOT bring back those funds? A better question might be: Why do you think YOU want or deserve those funds earned by businesses in other countries? I would be interested to hear this answer.

            Have a nice day!

            “The lack of money is the root of all evil.” ― Mark Twain

        • RNPRN

          Bull crap, most corporations pay no tax and in fact get tax subsadies. If you are so rightous, give back your ss and leave mine alone. I worked 2 jobs most of my life and am ENTITLED TO MY EARNED SS AND MEDICARE.

          • Snooz

            Social Security is not a savings program. It’s an insurance one. What you pay is a premium, not an investment. The money isn’t yours and you aren’t entitled to it. FDR said so himself.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Snooz… the leftist freak turds floating around in this sewer called The Memo are not going to like that bit of truth… no they are not!
            Have a nice day!

          • ObozoMustGo

            You’ve been duped by politicians that have lied to you your whole life. You’re no more entitled than are those who invested with Bernie Madoff are entitled to get their own money back. They may be legally entitled, but functionally, there’s nothing there to pay them back. It’s all gone. The only way they will get all of their money back is if the taxpayers were forced to pay back the losses for rich people. SS and Medicare are the exact same Ponzi schemes: paying people going out with the money coming in. It’s on a collision course with financial collapse. Not my words. Those are the words of the trustees who run them. But hey, why the hell should a greedy bastard like you care so long as “you get yours” right? Who cares if everyone else, including your grandchildren, get screwed?

            Have a nice day!

            “Rule of thumb… never trust what comes from the mouth of a socialist politician. They are only lying to you so they can spend other people’s money to build up their own power base and bureaucracy.” – ObozoMustGo

    • sunshine 3

      You are totally unable to make a factual comment; your only apparent means of communication is name-calling and poor use of the English language. You need to peruse the intelligent commentary prior to expressing your anger and hatred.

  • bcarreiro

    Make cuts to annual salaries for politicians and cap them for 5 yrs or longer. Reform our government starting from the top down. Boehner you may have a name in politics but not a degree in accounting or psychology and unfortunately we the people have to pay twice for your mistakes, We are climbing out of debt finally so dont undermine our president……. jerk!!

  • DSharp

    All I will say is..Boehner sucks and he has done nothing but think of what he can put in his big fat pockets. Talk about self asorbed/narcisstic personality. He does not care about the seniors or anyone that is poor. When he can’t get his way, then he cries the blues. The GOP has done nothing to help this country and those teabaggers are not helping matters either..I can’t wait, til they are ALL out of OFFICE!!! We the people are tired and we want our country back to the way it used to be.

  • AMADAL

    It’s time for Obama to tell Boner, the Repukes, and Congress to go fornicate themselves and invoke the 14th Amendment. Congress can’t stop that. That also means Congress does not get paid until they pass a budget (their idea). Obama can veto any budget he doesn’t like and stil pay America’s bills which can not be questioned(14th Amendment)

  • JD Mulvey

    Boehner’s trying out his material on the road. Maybe he doesn’t realize how many Idahoans rely on Medicare and Social Security?

  • stcroixcarp

    The Republican party is a party of failure.

    • Susan

      I think it’s the party of obfuscation.

    • docb

      Am not sure there is a republican party..It is all about destruction and obstruction and lies from the hollow fringe… Nothing about governance or real people with real issues…Just More Corporate Welfare from the baggers!

  • Wayne Boling

    I see it as it is, I really believe Obama will use the 14th Amendment to pay our Bills. Thus bypassing Congress and keeping our triple A rating, Boy wouldnt that piss off all the tea party Gopers, lmao, Crab the soda and popcorn, it will happen

  • Allan Richardson

    The “change” they are seeking is HARM TO MILLIONS of Americans who do not DESERVE to be harmed. Many of them have, so far, faithfully voted for Republicans, in honest ignorance of their own interests. If the Tea Party radicals have their way, our country will become a third world country with a VERY few at the top, FEW in the middle, and ALMOST EVERYONE else in deep poverty. It will be a BIBLICAL economy, but not in a GOOD sense of obeying the message of the prophets and Jesus; only in the sense of being the kind of economy in which much of the Bible takes place. The GOP politicians will be Herod; the military-industrial corporate CEO’s will be Pilate; and the “religious” leaders such as Pat Robertson will be Caiaphas, while the rest of us will be crucified by poverty; but at least we will have the “freedom” to scrape by the best way we can, while Herod, Pilate and Caiaphas will live in luxury. And we will not even have the right to vote them out of office.

    • Snooz

      Right, and we see what happens when Democrats are in charge: Detroit.

  • Mark Forsyth

    I have waited thirty minutes to post a comment but my mood has not modified,I guess it’s true that Tuesday is the most stressful day of the week because I seriously want to harm every republican in congress as well as some who are not.Come to think of it,there are a few democrats that need a good ass kicking too.

    • Annemb

      x2.

  • robertbenefiel@att.net

    It will be very interesting this fall. The budget and debt limit and whether or not the Republicans will force a crisis by shutting down the government or defaulting on the debt. I have been predicting that the Republicans would continue on a death spiral, however, some very well informed people have been saying that they would never do it. I believe as stupid as it would be, I am hoping that they take the country over the cliff so that we can settle this dispute once and for all.

  • robertbenefiel@att.net

    I really enjoy the comments with the National Memo with all of the Liberals. Living In a white conservative enclave sometimes I think that I am alone in this world.

    • idamag

      You will find progressive people, in your area, we rise to our own level.

  • charleo1

    “If it were easy, somebody over the last 20/30 years would have got it done.”
    And, this House, the one that has done absolutely nothing in the past 3 years,
    is going to be the one that, “gets it done.” Right! What they will probably wind
    up doing, is fouling up the investment atmosphere, cause consumers to put off
    buying cars, washers, and dryers, T.V.s and cost the economy another 18 bil.
    And, if it’s a particularly nasty affair, actually raise the interest rate on the debt.
    And give the recovering housing market an unnecessary unhelpful, whack, by
    raising interest rates on the 30 year mortgage. What we really need is to get
    these buffoons out of the government, and allow the economy to recover.
    I know, a better economy will not be helpful to their campaigns. And so it is,
    what it is. An Outrage!

  • LotusJoan

    He is concerned now about our debt – but not concerned enough to raise taxes on
    those who can afford it. If you cannot afford to make a 100,000.00 campaign
    contribution then Boehner and crew have no time for you.
    Solely based on comments he is fooling very few people. What will the GOP do when
    they have alienated the old white folks too?

  • Karen Fortier

    Social networking is giving more and more people a real look at the GOP, and they don’t like what they see! The speaker is as ignorant as the t-baggers he panders to. They are digging their grave deeper and deeper…

  • bikejedi

    Hopefully Obama will find the time to come and hammer out a deal instead of going golfing. In the past he came up with the Idea of Sequestration all by himself and then he didn’t come to the table to come to an agreement in over a year and a half…thinking the GOP would never accept the Sequestration because o the defense cuts. He gambled wrong and when they did take the sequestration deal he issued directives to Govt Depts make sure that the cuts affected working Americans the hardest. Hopefully this time he will come to the table instead of the golf course.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hey Jedi! Hope you are well. FYI…. Obozo does not come to the table because Obozo does not know how to govern. He only knows campaigning and demagoguery to his throngs of useful idiots that repeat and spew his lies over and over. It’s also amazing to see the number of idiots on here who don’t mind being lied to by their messiah and whom are incapable of seeing that what he says and what he does are most often 2 different things. In fact, they are usually the opposite. And they are incapable of linking the results of Obozo’s policies to Obozo himself. It’s almost like Obozo is the Super Idiot and the rest of the zombies fall in line behind him. Your example of the sequestration being Obozo’s idea, AND IT BEING DOCUMENTED AND PROVEN, yet these fools here at The Memo just never get that point. And HOW the sequester was implemented was 100% at Obozo’s discretion. So if they don’t like the cuts, why don’t they blame their messiah? Ahhhhhh…. but now I think I’ve gone to far in expecting a dose of reality for these useful idiots.

      Have a great day, Jedi.

      “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency…Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” – Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung

      • bikejedi

        Great post and accurate too ….. you know that will confuse and scare the some of them and they will start calling you and I names

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    If you can afford an SUV gas guzzler, you can pay for your own healthcare. I’m fed up with the constant carping and whining by people who live high on the hog until they have to be responsible for their own healthcare. The plan the president put forth cuts billions in hospital waste up to and including outrageous hospital adminstrator salaries and unnecessarily high copay and hospital deductibles. Ask me how I know…In 2012, my Aetna hospital deductible was $5,000 on my employer’s plan. Please spare me the whining and ridiculous tales of woe.

  • Lonnie Avery

    THIS SAYS IT ALL ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN/ TEA PARTY :
    Boehner Demands Medicare, Social Security And Medicaid Cuts To Raise Debt Limit .
    Who does he think he is ? Demanding what ?
    It is Federalism from the Minority party and obstruction of the government of the people !It is time to dump his Lazy butt !
    “Mandatory” government spending includes Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and government pensions, all programs that benefit senior citizens who —according to a recent poll from Democracy Corps — have begun to turn against the GOP.

    HE DOES NOT HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY for a “ploy to keep the U.S. government open after September 30″
    Apparently, the Speaker doesn’t remember that the budget was actually in a surplus just over a decade ago. (denial) That’s a memory he probably wants to block out, since he went along with George W. Bush’s agenda that helped turn that surplus into a deficit of over a trillion dollars as Bush left office. The budget deficit this year is projected to be about half the deficit President Obama inherited.

    • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

      Obama is happy to oblige. We all know it because Obama said so and all his actions lead to it. Obama is a self described privatizer and “free market” aficionado.

  • FT66

    Go ahead Boehner and apply your razor blade on Social Security & Medicare, and you will see how good or bad it is to mess up with seniors.

    • http://mosquitocloud.net/ aprescoup

      But Obama already agreed to putting the razor blade to it, himself! Remember the cat-food commission, the two rabid safety-net shredders to lead that litter?

  • DurdyDawg

    The only place this loser could feign being pretty and polite is with his husband Bubba behind bars.. What the hell is wrong in cutting Corporate welfare? And they don’t have to cut it completely, just in accordance to how much record breaking profits they collect every three months. Cut it an average of 50%.. Do the same with foreign aid to our enemies and Boner wouldn’t have to touch those so-called ‘entitlements’ that he and his rabid butt sniffers hate with all their heart(less). Ah, but that would defeat their purpose.. Boner knows going for number 41 won’t work so he’s decided to punish the American population for what he and his political thugs can’t sever. Once this happens.. Once he takes seniors livelihood away from them and starve children, turn other wise normal parents into ravaging thieves and robbers then he and his party’s days will definitely be numbered.. He’s a fool to penalize those in need in order to prove his point which isn’t the point because Obamacare hasn’t even been fully implemented. I’m tired of listening to a group of fanatics destroy the poor and middle class while allowing subsidies, entitlements and corporate welfare to continue.. Something is going to pop and I hope it’s what’s bobbing between that idiot’s shoulders.

    • kanawah

      the good and intelligent have been replaced by the bad and the stupid.

  • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

    But whatever they do they WON’T cut welfare for the rich corporate campaign contributors.
    During the last election over six (6) BILLION (that’s with a B) dollars was spent buying the election.
    Let US cut manufacturing of WMD to start.
    ANd get rid of Congress, they’re bought & paid for by their handling owners.

  • bill

    Oh, their five-week vacation must be nearly over – we’re back to “Boehner demands this” and “Boehner demands that” after spending weeks on the finest golf courses of America entertaining the moneyed interests who control his “demand” agenda.

  • OooSillyMe

    When Congress gets paid for the part time hours they work and lose their benefits and pensions then they can talk about “entitlements” until they they need to STFU…..

  • michael e. sabinas

    I am 69 and the Gov. broke my contract (retire at 65 then 66 1/2 ) then borrowed large from SS and said “we will pay back with interest ” ( they did not pay back much less interest) they said we are going to take part of your SS payment to help pay for your Medicare (over 35 years I have paid for something I could not use until I turned 65) Now you want to blame me for you not being able to run the Gov. Stop taking us into un-funded wars. Stop giving away un-accountable Billions of cash in those wars. I noticed that none of you are willing to give up your pay raises. STOP this madness and start doing your job and blaming me. I did my job and paid my way !!!!!!

  • JuliaDalton

    Boehner and the rest of the fascist can go eff themselves. Let’s cut his paycheck, his Cadillac healthcare plan, his free tuition for his kids college, his lifetime huge pension. And while we’re at it cut all Congress and the president’s as well. They are nothing but criminals posing as human beings and we put up with their lies and bullshit and not only that we pay for it with our tax dollars.

  • Bill

    The GOP could care less about seniors or anyone who does not agree with them. The problem is the people who support them are followers who don’t know the facts and believe anything they hear on Fox. In the end they are the ones who will be thrown under the bus and they will still blame the DNC.

  • marelbert

    What happened to certainly Mr. Boehner?

  • robertbenefiel@att.net

    Really the Republican Party is now the John Birch Party. They do not believe in the Federal government except for National Defense. It really will be interesting to see the fight over the budget and debt limit. I consider this whole Republican movement to be like an illness that needs to run its course. It will be like a movie where the person looks almost dead, then the fever breaks and the patient gets up and cooks themselves a meal and goes outside and has a good time. Everyone who is a liberal should be very happy. We dodged the bullet with Mitt the Twitt and Congress is unable to undue Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Affordable Health Care, although they want to do so.

  • Me, Myself and I

    If Boehner succeeds, then every person in this country should be repaid every single penny that has been deducted from their paychecks for Social Security and Medicare.

    My husband and I have not collected one penny of the money that has been deducted from our checks all these years and now Boehner is wanting to dismantle Social Security and Medicare.

    If so, we and everyone else should demand a refund of every penny the govt took from our paychecks with a promise that money would serve us in our retirement years.

    I demand a refund.

    • kanawah

      I do not demand a refund, I demand “Bonehead’s” head on a stick. He does not deserve a stake.

  • Willnieto57

    bikejedi’s Mom wouldn’t breast feed him so she had him suck on his Daddy’s pecker. Now we know what his head is filled with.

    • kanawah

      who do you refer to by “bikejedi”. I have not seen any post by that name or about that name.

      • Willnieto57

        I’m not sure how things come up on this site, but on the day I replied to this jerk he was bad mouthing everyone and was being particularly hostile to some women.

      • Willnieto57

        I should have checked first, but the bum is still here. Scroll down or up you may find the jerk.

  • rbrtdun

    It is totally unblieveable that we have representatives running our government who are so cold and cruel to segments of the population. There is no concern for the elderly, the poor, the disadvantaged, the unemployed, etc. If you fit any of these categories, it is your own fault according to the Pharisees (Republicans) who preach about their faith and concern for our nation. When are the people of this great nation going to wake up and put these clowns out of office? Do we have to wait until out nation is totally destroyed by these people before we exercise our power at the voting booth? I have been voting and watching politics for the past 50+ years and I have never seen things this bad. I fear greatly for our nation with all the division that I see today. Is there a “Statesman” in this great country who will stand up and speak the truth before it is too late?

    • kanawah

      What you describe are the Transylvania tea bag republiCONs. They are only interested in the “welfare” of their old, rich, white men contributors. If you cannot hand over $10,000 or more to these vultures, do not bother to ask for help.

      If anyone else votes for them, those people are fools, and are voting against their own interest.

  • CPAinNewYork

    Yesterday, one of our “correspondents” challenged me to justify my assertion that money earned by an American citizen or enterprise overseas was subject to U. S. income tax. The justification is that IT IS THE LAW.

    It is U. S. law that money earned ANYWHERE by an American citizen or enterprise is subject to U. S. income tax. Further, money earned in the United States by a foreigner is also subject to U. S. income tax. Many if not most countries have similar laws.

    To avoid double taxation, many countries have signed “tax treaties.” There are other devices adopted by various countries to alleviate perceived tax injustices or to further national aims, such as to attract foreign investment or immigration.

    Some of these devices have been abused. One major abuse is the sheltering of offshore profits by rich people and giant business enterprises in offshore banks, such as those in the Cayman Islands. Switzerland seems to be eager to offer such services, although it appears that they may have crossed the ethical line in that regard. Perhaps the abuses of the Swiss bankers will soon come to an end or at least be ameliorated. Hard to tell, but one can hope.

  • Snooz

    Don’t be so quick to judge your political opponents. On the NRO, I actually crafted a basic deal that most conservatives would go for:

    a) We create a federalized drilling company – that is, government run, company, and drill in Alaska and other places and use the money to fund entitlements. That gets you your money without raising taxes, and it creates jobs.

    b) They would be willing to make the big deal on single payer rather than have ObamaCare, like a baseline single payer that has a high deductible (covered by the Feds for those who can’t afford it), and covers only things like catastrophic illnesses.

    c) In exchange, they want real border security, and real enforcement of immigration laws that are on the books today. That is, actually check I9s.

    See, honestly, I think in terms of pounding each other stupidly over our differences, maybe it is time to let RINOs on the right, and faux democrats on the right do some serious horse trading. You’re getting single payer, which, you obviously want more than even you like ObamaCare, and on the flipside, we’re getting secure borders? Would you lefties take that deal?

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      That sounds as if it might be worth exploring if it were truly operated by a bipartisan group, with ironclad laws preventing private interests (read the Koch brothers, et al) from ever touching ANY of the proceeds. If this would result in funding TRUE single-payer health care for all, the border security and immigration enforcement would be reasonable trade-offs in my opinion. However, therein lies the rub. If this idea (and I think it has some promise) appeals to a socialist like me, how will the reactionary right respond? What is the basis for your statement that this is a deal that “most conservatives would go for”?

  • CPAinNewYork

    Boehner is a typical Republican piece of crap. No word from either him or his rich neocon buddies about reducing the tax gimmicks such as sheltering foreign income in offshore bank accounts that exist for the wealthy and the corporate big shots. For him the entire burden of reducing the deficit should fall on the backs of the poor and the middle class.

  • JSquercia

    Cut Congressional Pensions and Medical Benefits by TWICE the percentage of Cuts to Social Security and Medicare .Most of these Representatives are Millionaires who haven’t a clue what happens to us ORDINARY citizens

  • tax payer

    Everyone has the Right to voice their Opinion ( Negative or Positive ) and it doesn’t mean they are incompetent.

  • cathy rowe

    Boehner is an insult to the intelligence of the american People. No one could possibly be as stupid as he implies we are!
    Sincerely yours,
    Pissed off in America

    • http://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/ Middle Molly

      Also p.o’d, Cathy.

  • Nancy Lyttle

    Social Security has NOTHING to do with the deficit! Congress has raided it over and over again to pay for other things. Congress needs to be over-hauled! Salaries for life? NO MORE! Let them be subject to the same Health Care as the rest of us. It is a PRIVILEGE to serve in Congress, NOT a Luxury, though 75% of them have become Millionaires and turn to being Lobbyist when they leave. THAT should be against the Law! ALL they do is Make more and MORE money feeding at the Government Trough, but want to starve and horrify the working poor, to WHAT end? Remember at the MId-Term Elections and Vote these sick, sorry, F.A.T.s (Flaming Anal Termini) OUT!

    • http://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/ Middle Molly

      I’m starting to rethink the “blame Congress” thing a bit, Nancy– (not completely, just a bit). The problem is in the PEOPLE who elect these lame brains over and over– or elect new lame brains, like the TeaPeople supporters. How do we open the minds and erase the ignorance of people in this country?

  • Radiomantx

    When the hell can we vote this idiot out of office? along with all his damn Tea Party cronies?

    • http://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/ Middle Molly

      Radio… Only the people of his district in Ohio can vote out Boehner in particular. Unfortunately, there is so much gerrymandering and so much ignorance among the people who lean right in this country that the TeaPeople have a LOT of power. Very disturbing.

  • tnazar

    The time is long past to reduce Mr. Boehner to the level of pissant. Better yet, buy him a case of Dewars to keep the horrors away and send him back to Ohio with the phone number for AA.

    Vote only for Democrats or Independents who will caucus with the Democrats.

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