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Sunday, September 25, 2016

christieFollowing the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), New Jersey’s Republican governor, Chris Christie, blasted the decision as “inappropriate” and “wrong.”

Gov. Christie, who vetoed a same-sex marriage bill in New Jersey in February 2012, argued that the Court’s strike-down of a crucial part of DOMA – a section that prohibited same-sex married couples from receiving the same federal benefits and recognition as heterosexual married couples – was an example of “judicial supremacy.”

The governor accused the justices of substituting “their own judgment of a Republican Congress and a Democratic president.” He added that “Justice Kennedy’s opinion was, in many respects, incredibly insulting to those people, 340-some members of Congress who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, and Bill Clinton.”

Christie, who is widely considered to be a top contender for the Republican nomination in 2016, affirmed that he believes gay marriage is a state-level issue, and states should “let people decide.”

The governor maintained, “If the people of New Jersey – as some of the same-sex marriage advocates suggest the polls indicate – are in favor of it, then my position would not be the winning position,” and added that he is willing to be “governed” on his personal view of same-sex marriage. On this, Governor Christie said, “You’re talking about changing an institution over 2,000 years old. …I’ve made it very clear since 2009 that I believe marriage should be between one man and one woman. I’ve said that, I ran on that, I’ve said it consistently.”

Despite Christie’s ideological views on the institution of marriage, a majority of his constituents support same-sex marriage — which is not a surprise in deep-blue New Jersey.

An April Rutgers-Eagleton poll revealed that 62 percent of the 800 adults surveyed said they are in favor of same-sex marriage. Similarly, a more recent Rutgers-Eagleton poll conducted from June 3 to June 9 found that 59 percent of the 888 adults surveyed said they would vote for same-sex marriage if they could, and only 30 percent said they would oppose it.

There is still no telling if New Jersey voters will see the issue on a ballot anytime soon. Until then, many of the state’s same-sex couples are heading to neighboring New York to get hitched.

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  • Lynda Groom

    As Nancy would say ‘who cares.’

  • Sand_Cat

    The morons who voted for this law insulted themselves, the Constitution, and common decency, and Bill Clinton clearly won’t be insulted (nice of Christie to stick up for him, though). Personally, I find Bill’s excuse for signing it really lame, but maybe he did honestly feel he was preventing a Constitutional amendment, an even worse insult.

    • dtgraham

      Bill didn’t have the time to support gay marriage in the 90’s. He was preoccupied campaigning for open marriage.

      • Sand_Cat

        So why did we both get thumbs down, not once, but twice? I thought your comment was pretty clever, and I’m not sure what part of mine was offensive. Oh, well.

        • GreginPottsville

          Are you keeping track of arrows on your fridge or something?

          • Sand_Cat

            No. Should I?

        • dtgraham

          Well personally, I was mortally wounded by your honesty Sand_Cat, but I managed some black humour to ease my grief. Apparently, we’re not appreciated by our own kind either way.

  • John Pigg

    I know there are a good many readers on this site that hold Christie in contempt and view him as an opportunist. In this situation there was no advantage gained from being honest about his personal beliefs. You might not like his stance but you should appreciate the honesty of a candidate who makes politically unpopular stances.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Sadly,we do not have an abundance of political figures exhibiting the type of admirable integrity that is required of a public figure. Christie is on the wrong side.I think he knows it too,but will he be obstinate enough to stay in the party or evolve in consciousness that effects a real change of heart?
      There is plenty of reason to distrust him,especially because he is a potential presidential candidate,all of whom are known for trying to say the right thing at the right time. Recall the story of the girl who found a cold stiff rattlesnake in the road. Feeling sorry for it,she picked it up and put it in her shirt.Upon warming up the snake immediately bit her.Surprised,the girl hollered and said’You bit me after I showed you kindness and warmed you” The snake replied” You knew I was a snake when you picked me up”.
      Similarly,many black folks appreciated George Wallace’s honesty when he was Alabama Governor.The old saw being that “At least we know where he stands” But Wallace recieved few if any dinner invitations from the black community that knew a snake when they saw one.

    • BillP

      John
      The main issue is that Gov. Christie claims that because 340 or members of Congress voted for some law that it is sacrosant. The Founding Fathers (I love to co-op a right wing used phrase) had enough intelligence to create 3 divisions of governement so no matter how many people vote for a law if it’s unconstitutional the Supreme Court must overturn it. That’ss what happened in California on Prop 8. The right wing just can stand when the gov’t works the way it was designed to and rules against them.

      • John Pigg

        You are getting into the policy. I have no opinion whatsoever on his policy stance. I just am giving him a kudo’s for taking a politically controversial decision that could cost him votes in a Blue state.

        A similar issue would be Red state Democrats who voted for the Weapons Reform. Anyone who take a controversial decision in a state not controlled by their political party should at bare minimum be respected for their honesty. Not necessarily the policy.

        • BillP

          John

          I really don’t believe your reply. You have no opinion on whether the Supreme Court acted in the way it was designed to or that Christie’s comment that Justice Kennedy disrespected the 340+ members of Congress with his majority opinion. This was the way the country was set up with 3 separate branches of gov’t , each to balance out the other.

          As far as Gov. Chrisitie losing votes in NJ, a blue state, that may be true but he still has a large favorable rating, mostly due to his work after Storm Sandy. He has very little chance of losing the governorship.

          • John Pigg

            I said I have no opinion whatsoever on Christies stance. I generally think that the court allowing the Federal government marriage benefits to be transmitted to same sex marriages is a good thing. But I have no time to waste one way or the other on the matter.

            I view same sex marriage, abortion, and other related social issues, to be an enormous distraction.

    • jmprint

      He is just another puppet soldier attached to the string of republican hypocrites.
      They must stand firm on what is being preached from the top. (financial supporters).

      • GreginPottsville

        Get used to Christie, because he is going to run for President as a Democrat! Then we will see how the Democratic hypocrites handle that.

        • jmprint

          Yes, I kind of suspect that republicans will run as democrats just to get the vote and then throw in their stupid ideology, to try and convert, manipulate, and finish destroying America.

        • Howard15

          No chance of that. He would be less popular with Dems then he is with Repubs. He is waiting for 2020 when the Tea party is fully gone after losing again in 2016. He will wait for the GOP to come back to him, which it will. Ted Cruz could get the nomination in 2016 if we change the law and that will spell the end for the Tea Party and Cruz.

    • Sand_Cat

      Being honest when you know it won’t cost you, or will gain you more than it costs you, isn’t much of a virtue. Being a religious fanatic supporting abuse of a minority group, even if being honest, is nothing to be admired. I think plenty of people already know enough not to vote for the governor, and those that don’t aren’t going to change as a result of this. Christie remains a bully and a hypocrite, and no “honesty” ameliorates that.

      • GreginPottsville

        Yeah, that Bill “I did not” Clinton, he loved to abuse minority groups. He signed that there DOMA bill into law knowing full well he was hatin on the gays.

        • jmprint

          Sometimes it takes a few people, a little longer to admit they are wrong.

      • John Pigg

        Fair, but I would argue in NJ this policy position would alienate the very Democrats he needs to appeal to. Making his honesty a political liability.

        Christie may be a lot of things but a typical Republican is not one of them. I don’t have a problem with you not liking his policies, that makes a lot of sense. But I think he is far more respectable then the majority of the GOP.

  • charleo1

    I can’t recall another issue that has seen such a dramatic turn around, in public
    opinion, in such a short amount of time. Did President Obama help, when he announced the evolving that had been taking place, had crossed the finish line.
    And now he supported full Cvil Rights for the Gay community? Without a doubt it
    did. I never understood how that evolving thing worked. But, hey! Welcome aboard, Mr. President. When President Clinton signed DADT, and DOMA, the percentage of Americans that believed Gays should have the Right to marry, and enjoy the full benefits, and advantages of that institution as straight couples was polling about
    25%. Only one in four. The other day I seen a poll that found 60% of Americans
    were in favor of eliminating all discriminatory, and prejudicial laws aganist Gays.
    The High Court, in declaring DOMA unConstitutional, and prop 8 dead, it was an
    historic day in the struggle of yet another minority, to demand, and receive the
    promise of a Constitution that says, we all come before the law as equals. In this
    case, the victory was not complete, as 38 States still have discriminatory laws on
    their books. But, a great win for the LGBT community, and freedom.

  • korbl

    Some things should not be left to the opinion of the people. If we’d left slavery up to the people to decide, we’d still be whipping black people and telling them to work our fields.

    • GreginPottsville

      Wow, comparing gay marriage to slavery. Must be a liberal thing.

      • korbl

        My point is not that the lack of marriage equality is like slavery (as it is of course not), my point is that equality should not be left to the people. It rather gets into the problem of having three rabbits and ten wolves and telling them to vote on what’s for dinner.

  • treabeton

    But I do favor marriage between a Big Mac and the Whopper.

    • Ford Truck

      But the Big Mac is a breast man who hangs out at KFC.

  • howa4x

    Christie is lucky he had hurricane Sandy where he could act like a hero, and there is a certain undercurrent of a tough guy attitude that exists here. Anyone who ever watched the show Jersey shore knows that. So they like it that he tells people off. But the reality is that he is a typical republican. This year he took 700 million from the utility surcharge program meant for the creation of sustainable energy which is like a tax since it is our money to begin with to balance the budget. He gave 2.1 billion to the corporations in tax breaks but we are still 44th in Job creation and he took 1.6 billion from education. He went after teachers, cops and firemen and all public employees. He tried to steal 300 million from the transportation trust fund to give a tax cut to the rich but was stopped by a democratic legislature. On same sex marriage he wants it on the ballot but as we have seen in calif outside money from the Koch’s and others will come pouring into the state to defeat it. The only issue he is not typical is that he will not touch the NJ gun control laws. He knows better. He will not go anywhere on a presidential level since he still has to make deals with a democratic legislature, and that is something that the republican tea party base will not tolerate.

    • Sand_Cat

      Regrettably, there were already enough stupid people to elect him once, and it looks like there may be even more this time.

      • howa4x

        Problem is the democrats conceded his win and put up a sacrificial lamb

  • charleo1

    A pet peeve of mine is the Mormon Church came into CA. spent a ton of money,
    to get prop 8 on the ballot. This was after those duly elected legislators in CA. had
    agreed, same sex couples should be granted their full Constitutional Rights. Then,
    I see on the tax return Romney would allow the pubic to see, he had donated 10
    million dollars to the Mormon church, he was able to deduct 100% from his gross
    income of about 22 million. On which he paid less than 15%. (My rate last year was
    20%) Which is fine by me. What isn’t fine with me is, while the poor, and struggling
    work a day Americans were told because of budget shortfalls, programs to help
    them were cut back. Romney’s 10 mil. on which the government didn’t collect a
    dime. Went toward an effort to deny, unConstitutionality we now know, Gay people
    their Rights. So, in reality millions of Gay people, helped subsidize the effort to
    put a referendum on the ballot, that restricted their own Civil Rights!

    • GreginPottsville

      Do you personally know anyone who starved to death due to “budget shortfalls”?

      • charleo1

        You asshole retards, would be better off just to keep your f**king mouths shut. Or, limit your asinine questions to other like minded
        Assholes. My tolerance for any of you jerk off’s horse shit, is currently maxed out.

      • Howard15

        Actually I do. There are a lot of homeless people on the streets that are dying everyday either form starvation or exposure. The temp in Phoenix today is 118. Some of those without shelter will die this weekend. Due to budget shortfalls the shelters are full and people do get turned away.This is very unfortunate in the worlds richest nation.

      • Howard15

        Also due to state budget cuts many medicaid recipients have been cut off here in AZ. Something like 650,000 lost access to health care. Our Governor even threw people off the transplant wait list. Two of those have already died. I will pray for you and hope the Lord comes into your life to show you the way. Perhaps you can become part of the solution as opposed to the problem. Our Governor (Brewer) has seen the light and has reinstated the transplant list and is accepting the Medicaid expansion.
        God Bless You