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Thursday, January 17, 2019

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Hillary Clinton blamed FBI director James Comey for her stunning defeat in Tuesday’s presidential election in a conference call with her top campaign funders on Saturday, according to two participants who were on the call.

Clinton was projected by nearly every national public opinion poll as the heavy favorite going into Tuesday’s race. Instead, Republican Donald Trump won the election, shocking many throughout the nation and prompting widespread protests.

Clinton has kept a low profile since her defeat after delivering her concession speech on Wednesday morning.

Clinton told her supporters on Saturday that her team had drafted a memo that looked at the changing opinion polls leading up to the election and that the letter from Comey proved to be a turning point. She said Comey’s decision to go public with the renewed examination of her email server had caused an erosion of support in the upper Midwest, according to three people familiar with the call.

Clinton told donors that Trump was able to seize on both of Comey’s announcements and use them to attack her, according to two participants on the call.

While the second letter cleared her of wrongdoing, Clinton said that it reinforced to Trump’s supporters that the system was rigged in her favor and motivated them to mobilize on Election Day.

The memo prepared by Clinton’s campaign, a copy of which was seen by Reuters, said voters who decided which candidate to support in the last week were more likely to support Trump than Clinton.

“In the end, late breaking developments in the race proved one hurdle too many for us to overcome,” the memo concludes.

A spokesperson for the FBI could not immediately be reached for comment.

On the phone call, Dennis Cheng, who served as Clinton’s finance chair, said her campaign and the national party had raised more than $900 million from more than 3 million individual donors, according to the two participants who spoke to Reuters.

 As Clinton gave her account to donors, Trump hunkered down at Trump Tower with members of the transition team announced on Friday and tasked with selecting the 15 Cabinet posts and thousands of political appointment jobs.

Kellyanne Conway, who served as his campaign manager, said on Saturday that the an announcement of a new chief of staff is “imminent.” Two candidates whose names have surfaced as contenders for the top White House job are campaign CEO Steve Bannon and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.

Trump will deliver a speech about his plans moving forward in the coming days and may undertake a national victory tour, Conway said, without providing further details. He will be sworn in on January 20.

The president-elect plans to keep his communication channels open. In an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes” that will air on Sunday, Trump said he isn’t ready to give up his Twitter account, where he routinely posted controversial statements during the campaign that unleashed harsh criticism.

“I’m going to be very restrained, if I use it at all, I’m going to be very restrained,” Trump said.

(Reporting by Ginger Gibson in Washington and Luciana Lopez in New York; Editing by Leslie Adler and Mary Milliken)

IMAGE: Hillary Clinton attends an event where she addressed her staff and supporters about the results of the U.S. election at a hotel in the Manhattan borough of New York, U.S., November 9, 2016.    REUTERS/Carlos Barria

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152 responses to “Clinton Blames Defeat On Comey Letter In Call To Top Donors”

  1. “…I’m going to be restrained…”.

    Right—for one day, perhaps. The bile and and the biological toxins that have been building up for decades in Donald prevent him from being stable. One just doesn’t go berserk for as long a period as Donald, and then flip a switch and act restrained.
    No one just acts and lashes out with such vitriol and uncontrolled fury, or harbor racist sentiments for years, and then transforms overnight.

    Like the story of Dr Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, such a flip-flop occurred like clockwork; but the Mr. Hyde in Donald will always be nearby. The literary Mr. Hyde eventually succeeded in doing away with Dr. Jeckyll. Will the same happen with Donald? “I don’t know”.

    ———————————————————————————————————–
    “O SON OF EARTH! Wouldst thou have Me, seek none other than Me; and wouldst thou gaze upon My beauty, close thine eyes to the world and all that is therein; for My will and the will of another than Me, even as fire and water, cannot dwell together in one heart.
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    By “… to the world” is meant anything that stands between one’s earthly desires and conscious antisocial instincts(like groping women, questioning someone’s citizenship even after Donald’s false assertions were corrected, and unleashing hate via a Twitter account early in the morning to denounce a woman), and God.

    Donald’s antisocial, anti-spiritual traits stand opposite noble sentiments like humility, graciousness, courtesy, and respect for the dignity of other humans. The latter qualities have never been evident in Donald for more than a second or two. To think that he’ll flip these qualities on overnight is to be whistling Dixie.

    • Mama Bear says:

      thank you for your eloquence.

    • Dominick Vila says:

      Don’t be surprised if Trump softens his position on many issues, including immigration and the ACA. He already achieved one of his most cherished goals. The next goal is to facilitate a Trump dynasty.

      • itsfun says:

        I think he has already shown he is ready to and will compromise on some of the issues. He has said there are things in Obamacare he will keep in any new plan.
        I have a question about the ACA. Since it was declared constitutional as a tax and the IRS is responsible for the administration of it because it is a tax, why are insurance companies collecting the tax in the form of insurance rates? How many other private industries collect federal taxes to keep them running? What is the federal tax rate for the ACA?
        I want health care, these are just questions I have about how it is paid for and does the IRS have the authority to pass tax collection on to private industry?

        • Thoughtopsy says:

          You forget… the rabid masses want destruction. They want a “Beautiful Wall”. They want 11 million immigrants deported. They want the complete repeal of Obamacare. They want Oil and Coal jobs back….etc etc. It doesn’t matter that these were lies, and are largely impossible… that’s what they were promised.

          F**kstick Von Clownface is not a smart man, but he’s smart enough to know he has to deliver or risk being screwed by the anger that elected him, he might try to lie his way out of it “I never promised a complete Wall…”, but in the end I think he has to deliver.
          At the same time the Republican Party suddenly has both houses and a totally different agenda and they are smart enough to know some of the things he promised are just patently stupid and impossible.

          So what do you think happens when the dumb narcissist bully gets road blocked by the marginally smarter elite republicans, and then the angry base get none of the things they were promised?

          All good things, I presume.

          • itsfun says:

            The masses don’t want destruction. They want progress. President Trump will do whatever he can to get a wall built. President Trump will deport around 2 million criminal illegal immigrants (drug dealers, gang members, etc). The coal industry will make a comeback using technology to make coal as clean as possible. Much of Obamacare will be repealed and replaced with things that make sense. President Trump will not stop insurance for people with existing conditions, he will let children still living with their parents be covered until they are something like 26 years old. Some things in Obamacare are good and should be kept.

            You call President-elect Trump a bully. What would you call Obama when he forced obamacare down our throats with bribery and lies and not one Republican vote? The biggest question I have is how many Obama executive orders will he override in his first day?

          • bobnstuff says:

            The coal industry will never come back, it’s not cost effective. There is no such thing as clean coal. The industry died back in the 80’s. It’s not the regulations that killed coal, it was the market. When the steel industry changed how they did thing coal use dropped and natural gas is cheaper to use.

            The wall is now a fence and Trump can’t build it unless congress gives him the money to. That fence goes back to Reagan and no one wants to spend the money to build it. All spending must come from congress.

            Obama has been sending those same people packing but until the law is changed and we hire more ICE employees nothing can change.

            In case you don’t know the ACA was passed by congress and even though it was something the President wanted you have to credit a Democratic Congress with the bill. If anything Obama was not forcible enough and that’s why the bill wasn’t near as good as it should have been. Trump is a bully but I think he has meet his match with congress.

            There aren’t all that many executive order for Trump to override. Many of them Trump will reissue just like Obama had to. There are some that have been around since Truman.

            As of right now it’s beginning to look like Trump will make a good Democratic President.

        • 1standlastword says:

          I think what you’ve just described is how the government and corporate gangsters work fist in hand to extort the People for the benefit of their fame and fortune.

          And their is nobody to answer this question truthfully because the perpetrators of crime don’t have to give justification for their crimes against humanity

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  2. Blueberry Hill says:

    I agree with Hillary, there was no reason for Comey to put out a letter about a fake email problem; and there is no way that the Rs on their kangaroo committee were not also involved. They spent years trying to find something, anything, to bring her down. They faked scandal after scandal, but she had committed no crime in every faked case. We need an audit of this election. Even Putin admitted he helped with the help of Wikileaks too. The whole thing stinks of election fraud.

    ..

    • Mama Bear says:

      We should not be surprised. I will go out on a limb here….how many times as women have we been sabotaged one way or another? I am not a militant anything, but I have fought many kinds of discrimination and outright sabotage during my career and I know I am not the only one. Somehow this whole Comey thing smells like that same kind of thing.

      • dbtheonly says:

        Mama,

        Did Comey sabotage Hillary because she is a woman or because she is a Democrat?

        I see it as equivalent to blaming racism for all the attacks on President Obama. Too narrow by far to blame just one cause.

        • Mama Bear says:

          I believe that the undercurrent of misogyny in the Republican party is enormously stronger than anyone outside that party could possibly know. And I believe that unless you are female and have experienced it you cannot possibly know how strongly it is ingrained in our culture, just like if you are not gay you cannot possibly know what they deal with and if your are not black you cannot possibly know what they deal with.

          • dbtheonly says:

            Please allow a devoted, but obstreperous, son to disagree.

            I can not accept that one can not understand the difficulties of another unless you share the “disadvantage”. You can not understand the problems of President Obama? He can not understand yours? Neither of you can understand the problems of a Navajo? That Navajo can’t understand the problems of an Inuit? Your Daughters can’t understand the problems of you, a Mother? Muslims can’t understand Christians, and vice versa? The young can’t understand the old? Those in their 20’s can’t understand those in their 50’s? None of us can understand the Latino?

            Forbid it, Almighty God!

            Because we a one race, human. We are one people, Americans. The problems of one are the problems of all. Unarmed Black Guys getting shot by Police is not a “Black Problem”; it’s an “all of us” problem. It’s not the color of a guys skin, it’s not the sex, it’s not the age, it’s not the religion, that matters. It’s what’s in the heart.

          • Mama Bear says:

            You are correct in as far as you have been able to take it. This is not anything negative about you, DB, just that I am looking into a far deeper realm than this. It is a very very very rare human who can rise above their own ego and see an unfiltered view of the situation of others. I accept that you could be one of those and if so I am honored to communicate with you. I am talking beyond the theoretical.

          • dbtheonly says:

            I can claim no particular insight or understanding. I’m just trying to do my best.

            What future do we have if we can’t understand, sympathize, support, and encourage each other?

        • idamag says:

          Every time trump made a racist remark, his poll numbers went up. America the beautiful? No, that in itself removed the beautiful from America. In my community, there used to be an active group to fight discrimination. The present mayor disbanded it. We had people who were racist. We did not have overt racist acts. We do now. Trump made it okay.

          • dbtheonly says:

            You can accept the divisions that the RWMO imposes upon us or you can reject them. The mayor disbanded your anti-discrimination group? Refuse to be disbanded. Meet. Discuss. Act! Just as you did before. Oppose those overt racist acts.

            Trump may have encouraged those racist acts. He most certainly did not make them okay.

          • idamag says:

            Yes, you are right. I never blamed trump for creating racists. They were there. He emboldened them and we will start regressing in the area of civil rights. The American people are not the people I used to believe them to be. It is sad. Trump exposed them. When WWII ended and I saw the newsreels of the concentration camps, I was sure Americans would never do such a thing. Yeah, right. I read “Carry Me Home Birmingham, Alabama.” There were terrorists groups operating, unchecked, in the backward south. They are still there waiting for a supreme court who will overturn civil rights. When people expressed a little shame at what we did to the people, who were on this continent before us, I applauded that we knew it was wrong. Now, when $$$$ shouts, they are doing it again in North Dakota.

  3. adler56 says:

    How could anyone not blame Comey? She was moving toward a double digit lead when Comey stepped in again -then poisoned the well by claiming the review would not be completed until after the election then several days later announcing there was nothing new in the e-mails. He forgot half of American voters are deplorables and dumber than a rock- so yes he did steal the election for trump.

  4. Dominick Vila says:

    Comey’s memo, ACA premiums going up significantly, Russian hacking and leaks to Wikileaks, the effectiveness of the GOP’s demonization campaign, alleged attacks against Christianity, ethnic and cultural hatred, angst fueled by economic uncertainty, jobs losses caused by the use of robotics and the emergence of new technologies; our emphasis on environmental protection, perceived by miners as a direct attack against them, obstructionism including approval of President Obama’s infrastructure plan in 2009 to ensure he was a one-term President, an antiquated Electoral College system designed to preserve and impose the will of a minority over the wishes of the majority of Americans, and a desire to teach a final lesson to our first African American President, all influenced the opinion of millions of fellow Americans, and guaranteed Hillary’s defeat.
    Add to add her poor judgment in using a private server for official use, and her reliance on moral and character issues instead of greater emphasis on economic and job creation proposals, and the outcome of this election is anything but a surprise.

  5. The lucky one says:

    Blah, blah, blah. Yes and Gore’s supporters are still blaming Nader for his loss even though he didn’t carry his own or Clinton’s home state in that election. True that Comey’s action was unprofessional and he should be removed for incompetence but judging from comments I’ve seen opinions and voting choices were made before Comey made his announcement.

    The fact is the Dems succeeded in ramming the establishment candidate down our throat at a time when a majority are sick and tired of the status quo of politicians serving the 1%. Why anyone thinks Trump is a solution rather than part of the problem is beyond me but he clearly was a departure from the norm. It’s worth noting for those claiming GOP superiority that they tried to stymie Trump just as the Dems did to Sanders.

    • edddoerr says:

      Hillary won the primaries.

      • Wrily says:

        By cheating.

        • Independent1 says:

          Total BS! You don’t win primaries by over 3 million votes by cheating- that’s total nonsense.

          And by the way. Had Sanders run, Trump would have crucified him for his past communist and libertarian leanings. Trump was trying to get him nominated because he knew full well that when the America public discovered Sanders was once very close to being communistic – and then wanting to virtually wipe out the American military and have America rely on the Coast Guard for self defense – Sander’s run for the presidency would have been toast.

          • idamag says:

            Sanders is not a communist. He, by his own description, is a social democrat. That is what the Scandinavian countries, Germany, France, and Great Britain are. We have become an oligarchy and not a democracy.

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m not referring to what Bernie proposes to be today, I’m referring to some of the very radical things he’s done in the past which Trump and/or the GOP propaganda machine could have exploited had Bernie been the Dem’s nominee.

            See these from an article on Bernie’s radical past:

            In 1980, Sanders served as an elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which was founded on the principles of Leon Trotsky. According to the New York Times, that party called for abolishing the military budget. It also called for “solidarity” with the revolutionary regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Grenada, and Cuba; this was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.

            If Sanders ever truly supported disbanding the Army and defunding the Defense Department, he abandoned these positions when he got into national politics. Nevertheless, Republicans will be able to run ads saying that Sanders was part of a communist political party that called for eliminating the military budget, and fact-checkers will not be able to contradict them.

            Once he was in Congress, Sanders called for deep cuts in military spending. “Mr. Chairman, it is my view that the United States can maintain its position as the strongest military presence on Earth, and still cut our military spending by 50 percent over five years,” he said on the House floor in 1991. Cutting the defense budget in half, unlike eliminating it, may be an entirely sensible position. It is, however, an extremely unpopular one. According to Gallup, 64 percent of Americans want either to maintain or increase current military spending; only 32 percent want to reduce it. Americans have more confidence in the military than in any other institution, including organized religion.

            And there’s more at this link:

            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/bernie_sanders_radical_past_would_haunt_him_in_a_general_election.html

        • Independent1 says:

          And you’d better go back and check just what primaries Sanders one – 75% of them were in caucus states where less than 2% of the electorate took part in the caucuses; and a number of them were in red states where the Dem caucuses were probably attended by Republicans who wanted to see Sanders get the nomination so they could totally destroy him in the general election.

      • The lucky one says:

        Of course she did. That was ordained by the DNC from the start and their karma gave us trump as president.

  6. itsfun says:

    She forgot what the common average American family faces each day. She became a member of the elite and acted like she is royalty. One thing that stuck me from the debates was when she was saying what she wanted to change, then Trump reminded her she had 30 years in politics and nothing ever got done. She didn’t have any response to that. I really think people are sick of the same ole thing and same politicians saying the same ole things and never getting anything done. There are dozens of theories about the results. I guess none of them mean anything now that the election if over.

    • Thoughtopsy says:

      She didn’t have any response to that because there is no good response when someone shows they have no f**king idea how government works.

      The equivalent in reverse would be Hillary accusing F**kstick Von Clownface of being in business for 40 years and yet not having fixed America’s national debt. What a loser.

  7. elw says:

    No soul searching is the problem with Democratic establishment. Blaming Comey for her failure is pure denial. The true blame is much more complicated than that. Her poor approval ratings, lack of ability to inspire the voters and a long record of being anything but a progressive, HER decision to install and use a personal server, accepting high paid speaking gigs with big corporations (even though that she would be running for President again – all contribute to the mess she made. Look I held my nose and voted for her as many other Bernie supporter did and even that could not get her over the trust hump. The DNC manipulated and plotted to help her win the primary, they got what they wanted and were warned about. At the end of the day, the easiest thing in the world is to blame someone else for what you did or did not do, but it is no way to grow and improve.

    • edddoerr says:

      Sure she had faults, but they were insignificant compared to Trump’s.

      • idamag says:

        Funny what is acceptable by the brown shirts when it is one of their own. Even war crimes is fine. Crotch grabbing is okay. Lying is a prerequisite for being one of them. Our country would be so much stronger if we didn’t have those uncivilized people justifying or ignoring their own contribution to the downfall of democracy and civilization.

      • elw says:

        Do you honestly believe this is about comparing who has the worse faults? The Democratic establishment choose to support the Candidate that has the least chance to win, by ignoring anything that did not agree with what they wanted to believe. Now how did that work out for them and the Country. And, how does comparing Hillary’s faults to Trumps make it better.

    • Wrily says:

      I, too, held my nose and voted for her. Comey cheated her much as she cheated Sanders.

      • elw says:

        HA, Good one. Ironic and just goes to show – what you put out is what you get back. It is sad – that it is everyday people like myself and most others that will suffer the most because 0f the two parties systems greed.

        • idamag says:

          I have always said, “Greed and ignorance are the two greatest threats to democracy and greed feeds off ignorance.” I would not be surprised if trump is not a victim of greed. He is not honest, Just because the law lets you cheat people out of their due and you use that law, it does not make you honest. He sounds like a sexual assaulter. But, he is not brilliant and they greed might think that is useful to them, for destroying democracy.

          • elw says:

            let’s hope that the “not brilliant” mind of Trump helps him slip over his own feet. We are in for a wild ride.

          • idamag says:

            Trump isn’t the worst thing. A Congress that repeatedly breaks national laws and violates the Constitution of the United States of America on the few days they are actually in Washington has us heading for either a fascist government or a third world country.

          • elw says:

            And you honestly believe a President who has no idea about what he can or cannot do as President will actually improve on that? Do you honestly believe that Trump, with all his racial hate speech, is going to somehow stop that road to a “fascist government or a third world country????

          • idamag says:

            Oh, no, I don’t believe trump is an improvement. His selection of Bannnon is taking us closer to fascism.

          • elw says:

            Sorry I guess I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Trump is definitely a racist, the choices he is making for his closest circle clearly indicate a road back towards the 1930’s. But that will happen only if people sit inside their homes and hide from the truth when their neighbors are dragged away. I for one, would rather die fighting back than shivering in a corner.

      • idamag says:

        Let’s talk about Sanders. You think Hillary cheated him? When Sanders came to speak in my community, I saw a lot of Trump signs, calling Sanders a Communist. The dumbing down of America cheated Sanders. The dumbing down of America is destroying democracy.

        • Wrily says:

          Yes, I think Sanders was cheated. I think that is why Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resigned. I think that is why Donna Brazile is being asked to resign. I think the DNC and the media helped sink Sanders’ bid.

          We’ll never know how Sanders would have fared against Trump. Sanders certainly generated more enthusiasm than Clinton. I think turnout, in the general, would have been higher with Sanders as the Democratic candidate. But, it’s academic at this point.

  8. TMZ1928 says:

    Hillary has no one to blame but herself. Comey didn’t force her to commit a long list of federal crimes by installing a server in her basement. Her attempt to conceal the pay-for-play coordination between the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton State Department blew up in her face. Now she should sit back and enjoy the millions that the Clintons skimmed off the billions that flowed through their various foundations.

    • Mama Bear says:

      as usual you missed the point.

    • Thoughtopsy says:

      And if you had any evidence for your flight of fancy maybe something would have come of the FBI investigation. If there was any evidence of “skimming” then it would have come out… the GOP were desperately scrabbling for anything they can use against her. You don’t think if there was something there to find they would have found it???

      But there’s more fun to be had with your abject idiocy, because we see the hypocrisy of the Trump voter in all it’s glory in TMZ’z statement about skimming.

      The Donald screws the tax laws to the limit, avoids paying federal income tax for possibly 18 – 40 YEARS and refuses to reveal his tax returns and prove he’s not a an outright crook, solicits money for “Charity” from others and re-gifts it as if it’s his own, gives regifted money to the Police fund, then charges them to use his property for their fundraiser (effectively making money from the charity he’s supposed to be donating to) or uses it illegally to pay bills and buy things, doesn’t pay his own staff at one of his State campaign offices, doesn’t pay all the staff at his DC Policy office and just stiffs them all after they worked to elect him… So he skims off everything, avoids paying the government and his own staff…. and he’s considered “Smart” and “Authentic”.

      Hillary helps run a charity that reveals all of it’s tax returns and is shown to have given 85%+ of it’s incoming revenue to charitable works, which also gets “A” ratings from Charity watch organisations and has demonstrably positively influenced the lives of millions of people in developing countries, she also released all of her tax returns for the last 30 odd years, showing where every bit of money she has earned has come from, and what actual tax she pays… And she hasn’t “skimmed” from anywhere, has contributed massively to human welfare, and actually pays her staff and lives up to her agreements and commitments… and she’s considered “Crooked” and “Nasty”.

      And there it is.
      They falsely accuse or massively inflate many things to tar Hillary with, that they completely ignore their own candidate doing… and doing “bigly”. He is the worst example of all the things they are busy desperately displacing.

      The fun thing is that Pres-elect F**kstick Von Clownface is now in waaay over his head, and has never stopped being a narcissist, bully, 5 year old and serial liar. The GOP has the Senate and House… but don’t like him, or agree with the promises he made.
      But he promised.
      And now there are no excuses.

      We know he’s a lying human sewer with the temperament of a 5 year old… you appear completely oblivious to that fact. So when he sh*ts on his promises and tries to renege because the House and Senate won’t do it, and when he installs his family and friends as deeply into government as he can, and when he uses the presidency to sell condos and make himself money… you’re probably going to be shocked.

      We’re not.

      • Independent1 says:

        Thanks for saying it like it really is, rather than posting the Mikey Mouse childish renditions of the mentally retarded right-wingers posting on the NM!!!!

        I don’t think there’s one right-winger posting here with the brain capacity of a 5 year-old!!!

    • Independent1 says:

      So if Hillary committed a long list of federal crimes by using a private server in her basement, why isn’t the entire Bush Administration in jail for having used the RNC’s basement servers as their work servers while in the White House?

      And why aren’t Condi Rice and Colin Powell in jail already for having also used the RNC’s private server for virtually all their work while they were acting as Secretary of State?

      No previous Secretary of State HAD NOT used a private server for their work while in the State Department. Your assertion is absolutely total nonsense – Hillary committed absolutely no crime AND COMEY KNEW IT!!

      COMEY WAS IN FACT IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND KNEW THAT RICE AND POWELL NOT ONLY USED PRIVATE SERVERS BUT ACTUALLY ILLEGALLY INTENTIONALLY ERASED ALL THEIR EMAILS BEFORE LEAVING OFFICE!!!! NOW THEY COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME!!!

      Your stupidity knows absolutely no bounds!!!

      And by the way, there are still close to 80 million emails missing from the accounts of 22 people who worked in the Bush White House. Why hasn’t Comey or any of the corrupt Republican legislators that are clamoring about Hillary’s 30,000 emails jumping up and down about the millions of missing emails from the Bush Years??? (Oh, yes!! Bush and his criminal cohorts were Republicans!!! Wouldn’t you know!!!)

      • 1standlastword says:

        If only the pusillanimous democrats got after them! See therein lies the problem!!!!!!!

        Where democratic administrations are concerned the republicans get a pass!

        This is why today I’ve declared myself politically agnostic!

        • idamag says:

          You, and me both! I quit being a member of the party when our Congress ended up filled with low educated people who take more vacations than work time and we are safer when they are on vacation. The work 3 1/2 days a week and not 8 hours. On Thursday they leave early, and on our dollar, head home by air. Most of the time when they are in office, the are seeing well-paid, Armani suited professional lobbyists. Then they do a lot of fund raising. Wednesday, November 8, they started campaigning and that takes time. Before Thanksgiving they will be on their way to another vacation that will last until January. They get a more than substantial salary to screw their employers (We, the people) with perks you would not believe. If I want to go see my family, I have to pay for my own airline tickets. If I go to the barber or the beauty shop I have to pay for it out of my income. I have to buy my own health insurance and pay my own doctors. They have health insurance, on our dollar, for life. If I spent all my effort on making sure my supervisor failed, I would lose my job. My employer wants productivity.

      • AgLander says:

        You can stop whining anytime now….PRESIDENT Trump wants you to know he loves you even though your a first class jerk!

        • Independent1 says:

          Tell you what Ag, why don’t you explain to us how you’re so certain you know what a gangster like Trump will do when he attains the power of the presidency given that even his attorney’s wouldn’t trust him to follow through on anything he agreed to. Trump has never kept one promise in his whole life. He is totally fanatical and unpredictable.

          So explain please why you mindless GOP-lovers are so confident that you will be able to control Trump once he gets into the Oval Office.

          Trump’s lawyers testified they met with him in pairs to ensure he wouldn’t lie about their meetings

          BuzzFeed and several other news outlets were able to obtain the court filings related to several of Donald Trump’s bankruptcies in the early 1990s. As news outlets begin to dig, Twitter user @nycsouthpaw immediately noticed something in the 1993 filing—Donald Trump’s lawyer admitted they had to meet with him in pairs because of his penchant for lying.

          http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578559/-Trump-s-lawyers-testified-they-met-with-him-in-pairs-to-ensure-he-wouldn-t-lie-about-their-meetings

      • Max says:

        See now I think they should ALL be in jail, and for way more crimes than just servers, ALL of THEM, ever since Bush forced his way into the Reagan administration from that point going forward to Obama everyone that’s “served” in the executive branch plus many many more should ALL be in jail…

      • Box says:

        What? He is accountable for stupidity because of someone elses lack of prosecution of Bush in that time? Huh?

    • Box says:

      By now the email demands for foreign donor refunds must be pouring in.

  9. Todd Nelson says:

    It really wasn’t Comey, but, rather, coal that doomed her run. When she said she would put coal companies out of business and coal miners out of work, she essentially wrote off the states of Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. The last 2 she believed she could win with votes from the big cities. Many of those in the large cities are black, and voted overwhelmingly and enthusiastically for Barack Obama. She failed to give that constituency, and most of the country, a reason to vote FOR her. Consequently, there was a huge enthusiasm gap between her supporters and Trump’s, so many simply did not vote for her. I’m sure Comey’s letters did not help, but that may just have been karma coming home to bite her in the ass. In 1992 a democrat special prosecutor indicted George HW Bush’s secretary of defense 4 days before the election. The indictment was thrown out by a judge 2 weeks later, but it gave Bill Clinton the “culture of corruption” line and enough votes to win the presidency. Now it only seems fitting to end the era of Clinton the same way it started.

    • A.T. says:

      Did you watch her speech when she talked about coal, or did you pick up on selective clips that took her remarks out of context? She said coal miners are going to be out of work (because of industry changing over to clean energy, not because she was going to “put them out of work,”) and that coal workers would have to be retrained to work in more sustainable industries. If you or anyone else think that Trump is going to magically recover the coal industry, then you’ve been lied to.

      • Blueberry Hill says:

        I watched the speech, and you are completely correct. She never said that SHE was going to put them out of work. She was trying to tell them that she wants to re-train them for new jobs.

        ..

      • idamag says:

        These crotch grabbing liars only tell lies.

      • easthills says:

        She told the truth and was crucified for it. The bubble isn’t the liberals it’s the people who won’t recognize that the world has changed and it’s never going to be like it was in the 60’s. We all have to rethink our career plans.

    • Don says:

      Interesting point about the indictment of the SECDEF as a factor. I would have thought the bigger factors were HW’s support of Clarence Thomas and the perceived influence of the Religious Right, Ross Perot’s candidacy which really took votes from Bush, his matter of fact and non-charismatic personality, and his nonchalance in conducting the campaign. There were also rumors of an affair. We lost a good President there and opened the door for the problems of liberal, Democrat candidates that have plagued us since.

    • Independent1 says:

      What kind of alternate universe to you mindless right-wingers live in?? Man the fantasy lands you build for yourselves are absolutely mind boggling!!!

    • Box says:

      I dont know much about coal mining but I do know it was No.1 on the minds of those living in the coal states. They way they tell it, there are plenty of clean coal methods but Obama wouldnt go along and that anger set the trend for Hillary. They wanted to hear, “coal is back!” but they didnt.

      • bobnstuff says:

        The entire coal industry in the US is only 143,000 people total. The industry collapsed in the 80’s but people haven’t gotten it through there heads that it will never come back and what is left if dying. There is no Clean coal, never has been. That’s a myth. I really hate it when people like Trump talk about things they know nothing about. Those uneducated people living in the hills of West Virginia and Kentucky are waiting for a train that has long left the station and they are being mislead to believe it’s coming back. Those so called high paying jobs in coal only pay $21.per hour. The biggest user of coal today is China and they are getting away from it. It’s time for these people to move on. Clean energy employees more people then coal today and the industry is growing.

        • idamag says:

          And Hillary wanted to retrain those people for different jobs. I remember my job required a typewriter and a load of books for research. When computers went big, someone said my job would be obsolete. I had a friend who ended up unemployed because she refused to be retrained. I jumped on the bandwagon and learned computers and never faced unemployment When railroads were being built, it was the teamsters who was against them because they were afraid of becoming obsolete. Those coal miners must face the facts that they are going to become obsolete and prepare for something else.

      • Independent1 says:

        Coal is back? What, so more people in America can die from coal related diseases? It’s not just affecting global warming, it’s the biggest pollutant related killer on the planet. More people die from inhaling pollutants from coal burning than from any other toxin. Not only is it a deadly fossil fuel to mine, it’s more deadly to actually burn. No politician in their right mind who cares one iota about their constituents should supporting the mining of such a toxic substance.

        STUDY SAYS COAL PLANT POLLUTION KILLS 30,000 A YEAR

        http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/cleanair.htm

      • The lucky one says:

        They can “tell it” anyway they want but “clean coal” is an oxymoron.

    • loveofcountry says:

      I agree. When I heard Hillary’s comments regarding the coal industry, I knew there was no way she could talk that back. She tried to, but she was on tape. The woman will just not take responsibility for herself.

  10. Otto T. Goat says:

    The FBI’s criminal investigation of the Clinton Foundation is ongoing.

  11. easthills says:

    The only people I blame are the suckers that were too lazy to get the facts and are full of hate. Now we have the most bigoted, mean spirited man in the white house. I don’t mind whether a republican or democrat wins an election BUT I do mind when a destructive, no -nothing, bully gets into the white house. We have lost all dignity as a nation.

    • Blueberry Hill says:

      He has already said that he will not work full time. He will work 4 days a week, like Congress, and will be off whenever congress is off. How stupid he is! It is a full time job, he cannot take off 1/3 of the year like the Rs do. I said before, that he only wants the title, not the work that comes with it. Impeach him.

      ..

      • AgLander says:

        Whatever time he puts in will still be more than the current Golfer-in-Chief.

      • Box says:

        I think I was reading that Obama holds the record of off time, and also the record of off time during crises. Bush, for example of whats more normal for a president, had among the lowest off days and when he did go back to Texas for R&R, he took his work with him and kept going. And he, in support of military, often said things like, “if our soldiers cant have Thanksgiving off, I cant either.” And no president ever before Obama so often and so much committed Air Force One to personal stuff like foreign shopping trips. Michelle owes that money back, as far as im concerned.

        • easthills says:

          you read wrong,

        • bobnstuff says:

          GW holds the record for time off, Obama has in fact not taken as much time off as most and with today’s technology he can do his job from anywhere. My son doesn’t even know where his companies office is. My daughters company closed the local office since no one had set foot in it for over a year. Is it not funny that the same people who complain about the things Obama has done also complain that he isn’t doing enough.

          • idamag says:

            They want to paint him and Hillary with their dipped in s**t hands they have been using for finger paint. I am surprised they didn’t insist the FBI confiscate Hillary’s toilet paper and look for hidden messages on it.

        • Independent1 says:

          Where do you get all these bald faced lies?? Obama has taken the least vacation time of virtually any president in the past 50 years – well over 100 days less than even H.W, Bush who only served 4 years in office.

          And George W. Bush holds the record by far of all modern day presidents: G.W. was on vacation for over 1,000 days, almost 3 years of his 8 years in office he was either at his ranch in Texas, cutting brush, going on hunts, playing golf, or just having a good ole time. If G.W. wasn’t there, he was at Camp David or in Kenebunk, Maine.

          G.W. Bush took more vacation time in his first two years in office than Obama will take in his entire time in office.

          You are such a pathological lying fool it’s mind boggling!!!

    • idamag says:

      And imagining that vulgar person and his wife with the nice bare A that has been all over the internet, in the White House is nauseating.

    • Box says:

      In that case you are in luck because fortunately thats not what the election was about.

    • Tom S says:

      Hate is not the only thing they are full of. They are pretty universally void of Facts, however.

    • idamag says:

      Ignorance is destroying our democracy. I just read a study that was done on how much people who watched various “news” agencies knew about current events. Fox news listeners did very poor in that study. Cable news is highly responsible for the dumbing down of America. We no longer look civilized to other countries. I know because I have friends in Germany, France, England and Canada.

  12. edddoerr says:

    She’s right. But she still won the popular vote. The archaic “rigged” electoral college undemocratially handed the win to trump.

    • A.T. says:

      Comey rigged it. The electoral college rigged it. The Russian hacks rigged it. Gerrymandering rigged it. Voter suppression of minorities rigged it. How is there a single person who thought this election was going to be in Hillary’s favor?

      • Blueberry Hill says:

        Honest people didn’t see all this dirty lying and cheating coming, though some of tried to warn about it. I think if they investigate, they will find that he didn’t even come close to winning the Electoral Vote.

        ..

        • idamag says:

          I just got a call to sign a petition for Change.Org, for the electors, who haven’t sent in their votes, yet, to honor the popular vote. It probably won’t change anything, but we can say we tried.

          • AgLander says:

            You win a free ride on the “Whine Bus”!

          • easthills says:

            You can support the most vulgar, crass, Anti- americani if you want. But don’t call yourself christian at the same time.

          • idamag says:

            So called Christian Churches are lowering their standards to meet their political ideologies. The Southern Baptists were never Christians. They burned crosses, lynched, bombed churches, beat young Black boys to death and passed the plate on Sunday.

          • Box says:

            Its already been discussed ad nauseum. If there is a revolt and the electors try to change their votes next month, Congress will “X” the results and the November results will stand. That any of them would try is symbolic at this point, not substantive. You can google all this.

          • Tom S says:

            Not true.

          • Tom S says:

            I believe that no Electors have voted yet, as it is too early, I recall?

            The biggest question is, “When will MI, WI, NC and FL finish counting their Provisional and Mail-In Ballots??”

          • idamag says:

            Even though I am told it is impossible, I still wonder how many ballots get destroyed.

          • Tom S says:

            Thousands in each jurisdiction (generally, County) for various reasons. Vote Fraud does not happen at the Polls any longer, it happens with the Republicans Counting them – as we saw in FL 2000 and OH 2004.
            It has been going on for decades.In one county I lived in after virtually every election, thousands would be “Found” in a storeroom “somebody” had forgotten about.
            Thousands more are considered “spoiled” for no good reason.
            Most Provisional Ballots are never counted in many areas.
            Mail-in Ballots are counted depending up on the Integrity of the local Registrar – they are supposed to be – but sometimes too late to matter.

            As of yesterday Nov 13, there were still millions of un-Counted Votes across the Country. With several million in California, where it does not matter – except in the Issa v Applegate Congressional race in Orange Cty. Hillary led the Popular Vote by 630,000!! Her lead is expected to grow to several million.
            She is “short” about 75,000 votes in WI & MI, which amount to 25 and would put Trump 5 short in the Electoral College throwing the Election into the Republicon-controlled House.
            Thus, Florida or Ohio still held the key, and again in 2016, like 2000, 2% of FL voters went 3rd Party, which dropped Hillary’s take compared to Barack 2012.
            It’s a Mess!

          • Blueberry Hill says:

            I think a lot of them were destroyed. I think it was North Carolina that was throwing away the absentee ballots until the Supreme Court told them to stop it and count them, 100,000 at the time.

            ..

        • AgLander says:

          Oh my gosh….ANOTHER WHINE ALERT!

      • AgLander says:

        “Another Whine Alert!”

      • Box says:

        Sure, rigged? Again I post:

        Elizabeth Warren ✔ @elizabethforma
        It’s not rigged, @realDonaldTrump. You’re losing fair & square. Put on your big-boy pants because this is what accountability looks like.

    • AgLander says:

      “Whine Alert!”

    • Tom S says:

      How were Red Electors elected to their positions days before all of the Provisional and Mail-in Ballots could have been counted?? That is the Question.

  13. idamag says:

    Yes. There is something wrong with a country that allows its national protective agency to destroy a candidate. It is not a democracy. Even though it might look like sour grapes, that agency and all the lying media should be sued for libel and slander. What has happened is not only devastating to the victim of this hatred and bearing of false witness, but is devastating to a country that was once a democracy. The swift boaters should have been sued. Every person or group who told lies about Obama should be made to pay the price. Not for punitive reasons, but because these fascists are dangerous to Democracy. The more they get by with the worse they become.

    • cowboy541 says:

      What lies are you talking about that were told about BO?

      • bobnstuff says:

        There is a long list of lies about Obama, some Trump pushed himself. My personal favorite is that he’s a Muslim. Trump wants to change the first Amendment to the press can be sued over these stories.

      • Tom S says:

        Too numerous to list.

      • idamag says:

        1. He was born in Kenya. 2. He is a Muslim. He has always been a Baptist. 3. He is a Communist. He is more for democracy than a whole toilet full of Congress people who said that. 4. He is gay. 5. His wife is really a man. 6. The U.S. has a greater deficit under Obama. 7. There is more unemployment under Obama. 8. He golfs all the time. 9. In negotiating with former sanctioned countries, he is negotiating with terrorists. Truth: We have more to fear from local terrorists. In addition to lies, Congress has violated national laws three times. They are violating the Constitution of the United States of America by not holding hearings on his “Supreme” court appointment. They interfered with presidential negotiations with a foreign country when 47 of them wrote a letter to a foreign leader. It was tacky and un-American to bring a foreign leader to the United States to diss the President from the Senate Floor. Trump is not the worst thing that has happened to this country. He is a result.

    • Tom S says:

      It wasn’t just “a candidate”, hundreds of candidates were destroyed by Comey Friday.

      • idamag says:

        I don’t even bother to answer these low information voters. There are figures, out there, to show Comey’s vile violation of the Hatch Act did affect her numbers. I had a teacher tell me, the other day, that all this hate is affecting the children. They have to fear Muslims, Mexicans and Democrats. She says it used to be that home was the place of safety and comfort. With all the hate in the home, the school is now the safe, comfort place to go.

    • westseadoc says:

      Comey did NOT destroy the candidacy of HRC. The Presidency was hers to win and overwhelmingly. If Comey affected as much as 1%, that would be surprising. If that 1% was enough to swing the election to HRC, then it is because she was a weak candidate who bungled the campaign which Trump did his level best to give to her wrapped in a bow. The fact is, she was very vulnerable on the issues of foreign policy, judgement (e-mails), truthfulness (e-mails again), immigration policy (none made), and the economy (growing but only in spots … large growth in select areas and far far less in other areas,,, and those areas were where Democrats have been strong for decades). Comey was wrong but it is simply a non-fact that he made her lose the election. That’s like complaining that the refs cost you the game because of a single key penalty — it may have been crucial at the time, BUT it is because it was your play up until then that made it crucial at the moment. Most pro athletes understand this and accept it, although not without some griping. They do get over it because they know it wouldn’t have been crucial if they had played better up until that point. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE for the HRC Campaign, so quit blaming others and accept that HRC and her campaign simply blew it.

  14. AgLander says:

    “It’s not my fault!” is a refrain that the Clintons have used their entire lives. It’s NEVER their fault. It’s always someone else’s fault. They are totally incapable of ever accepting responsibility for their actions.
    If Hillary only knew that when she was born and her father saw that face for the first time he cried out…”It’s not my fault!”.

    • Box says:

      I’ve misplaced a very old email that came as spam. It was Hillary spinning the many stories of her old relatives. In the 1850’s or so, the father of the family was a horse thief who spent time in state prisons. On this she said, 1) he didnt walk, of course he used the modern transportation of the day. 2) He was involved with special projects at the state level.

  15. Box says:

    Isnt it time to fess up and blame yourself for a change? You never once have.

    I was looking at this:
    Elizabeth Warren ✔ @elizabethforma
    You can’t run a campaign based on hating women, African Americans, Muslims & immigrants & expect to win,

    Are you sure? According to news……

    Elizabeth Warren ✔ @elizabethforma
    It’s not rigged, @realDonaldTrump. You’re losing fair & square. Put on your big-boy pants because this is what accountability looks like.

    Hi Liz, whats your address, youre going to receive a complimentary pair of big boy pants. Favorite color?

    • westseadoc says:

      Well, Liberals and Progressives are very good at being incensed and appalled by potential behavior threatened by people like Trump and his supporters BUT when their own (witness the riots) do likewise, their voices are oddly silent. So far people are protesting for self-indulgence and self-recrimination, NOT to effect change. They are protesting to feel good about themselves. It is self-indulgent and childish … a characteristic of the “Trophy for Everyone” generation who, when they don’t get their way, believe they are entitled to tantrums and destruction. This isn’t like Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Vietnam village burning, and soldiers forced to fight a war without clear justification. Those are items with real damage. So far, Trump’s greatest sin is words and some sexual misbehavior (oh, and lying). To date, he hasn’t done anything of any damage to the country. Obama and Clinton gave pretty speeches about healing wounds but when it comes to the time when they have a real role in doing so, both are AWOL. I voted for Obama — TWICE — and I still think he is a decent person with grace BUT I am VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED with his handling of sensitive divisive issues on his own … especially with race … not to mention he only grew the economy 1.4% during his presidency, a rate that is shockingly low and far lower than any other president in the last few decades.

  16. Tom S says:

    Yes, Comey violated the Hatch Act 4 times in 3 events.
    But, it was Red Govs controlling the Count in WI, MI, NC, and FL. They have to still be counting Provisional and Mail-in Ballots in at least 3 of those 4 States. But, is anyone paying attention??

    Hillary brought some of this on herself because she could never voice a simple answer to the email non-issue. By not having a decent answer, she allowed the Gobbers to continue to slime her for 2 more years. Stupid “republicons” are too stupid about STEM to know there was NO ISSUE!

    But, Comey made his choice, against directions and SOP, to violate the Hatch Act and, in doing so, has radically altered the outcome of the 2016 Elections.
    At least, we have 8 more States to produce the Pot the Country will be needing in 3 or 4 months.

    • idamag says:

      As per Goebbels, the idea was to paint Hillary as a liar and as not honest as much as they could so it would stick. Since most people are not well educated in the way things work, it succeeded. For those, who now want us to come together, to find someone to say otherwise, is continuing the fraud.

      • Tom S says:

        Actually, it was Adolph’s idea, Josef put it into action.

        Yes, the Repugs have been slimming her for 25 years to depress her vote – while enhancing theirs.

  17. westseadoc says:

    This is pathetic and disappointing on Clinton’s part. Comey didn’t keep her from campaigning in Wisconsin, or for liberalizing relations with Cuba (South Florida, remember?), nor did Comey force her to dismiss the plight of the working class who were struggling in favor of courting the coasts and women. Comey did not stand at the doorways of minorities and keep them from going out to vote. Hilary is, again, taking the low road rather than act as a statesman. True, Trump is not any better in this regard but he just happened to win the election. By whining about the fault of other’s for HER failure, she has proven herself no better than the maligned Sarah Palin. Clinton CLEARLY LIED when she claimed not to know which items were classified or not. I have friends in security sensitive jobs who under ANNUAL ORIENTATION as to what is and what is not classified AND how to handle any sensitive information. She tried to play the electorate for fools and despite Trump’s lying, HERS was while a member of the State Department … experience that she tried to use to bolster the value of her as president. In the end, people chose change over the status quo …. Comey had nothing to do with that.

  18. westseadoc says:

    If you want some additional insight on why Clinton lost the election, please read this article. It describes a staunch Democrat, Union woman, who finally voted for Trump. It is losing these voters that cost HRC the election, not Comey. It was a general FAILING on the part of the intellectual elite Democrats.

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/revenge-forgotten-class/?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=sd&utm_medium=email

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  20. Curtis Mamzic says:

    I’m sorry, I voted for Clinton, but it is not Comey’s fault for making an annoncement about an email server Clinton should have never used and didn’t have a believable story to defend.
    It’s like Bill Clinton blaming Starr for his impeachment for lying under oath about an affair with a bimbo he should’ve never conducted.

  21. Moderate Black Woman says:

    I support Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) who said this morning that the nation’s police force (“the FBI”) cannot be allowed to involve itself in political elections, there should be a full investigation, and consequences for anyone who participated in this travesty. Otherwise, the millions of Americans who voted for HRC (yes, I was “With Her”) will permanently lose faith in the institution. Recall, it took the FBI 44 yrs to restore the public’s faith after J. Edgar Hoover.

  22. woodrose says:

    So pathetic. Of course the Clinton campaign would find others to blame, rather than simply acknowledging the Democrats ran the wrong candidate.

    Hillary lost formerly-blue Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Iowa because her husband signed NAFTA and GATT/WTO and Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China, shipping millions of blue collar jobs out of the country.

    November 8, 2016: The Day The Rust Belt Got Its Revenge on the Clintons

    • meridaest says:

      Barack Obama supported all of those trade agreements and more. The Rust Belt didn’t seem to mind so much. Of course the Comey letters had nothing to do with late breaking voters from Hillary. Give me a break. I remember William Casey in 1980 secretly telling the Iranians a week before the election that they’d get a better deal with the hostages if they held off releasing them until after the election. No effect on Carter’s defeat, right? Or Kissinger telling the North Vietnamese just before the election not to sign a peace treaty because they’d get a better deal if Humphrey lost in 1968. These tactics are not new and work most of the time.

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