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Monday, January 21, 2019

WASHINGTON — You have to hand it to the gun manufacturers lobby. Children may be slaughtered, the death toll from firearms may keep mounting, but these guys are unrelenting and know how to play politics.

Last week’s successful recalls of two state legislators in Colorado because they supported their state’s new, carefully drawn gun law gave the National Rifle Association and its allies exactly what they wanted: intimidating headlines. The one on ABC News’ website was representative: “Colorado Recall Elections Chill Push for New Gun Laws.”

This is how self-fulfilling prophesies are born. If matters stop there and the idea takes hold, the gun extremists will, indeed, win.

It would be great, of course, if all politicians were like Colorado Senate President John Morse, a former police chief, and state Sen. Angela Giron. Despite being recalled, both Democrats have been unrepentant about championing background checks and limits on gun magazines to 15 rounds.

“I spent years as a paramedic treating people who have been shot,” Morse said in a telephone interview. “I spent years as a police officer investigating situations in which people have been shot. I have been shot at myself. … I may have been voted out of office, but the bill stays, the law stays.”

Morse also cautioned proponents of stricter gun laws around the country not to read too much into a low-turnout election. He stressed the impact of a court decision that effectively barred mail-in ballots in the contests. Since 70 percent of Coloradans normally vote by mail, the ruling gave the highly energized opponents of the law a leg up. And the latest count showed that Morse was defeated by only 343 votes, although Giron’s margin of defeat was wider.

Yet the intensity gap is precisely the problem.

Shortly after a background check bill failed to get 60 votes in the U.S. Senate last April, a Pew survey found that 73 percent of Americans still backed the proposal while only 20 percent opposed it. But when respondents were asked if they’d refuse to vote for a candidate who disagreed with them on guns, those whose priority was to protect gun rights were more likely to say yes than those who thought it more important to control gun ownership. Even more significant, 12 percent of the gun rights partisans said they had given money to groups on their side of the issue, compared with only 3 percent who believed in regulating gun ownership.

The gun lobby has a large base. Those seeking more sensible gun laws still need to build one.

Doing so requires them to grapple with the fact that political issues can carry meanings far beyond the specifics of policy. These days, we tend to celebrate the autonomy granted us by technology, geographical mobility, and an economy of free agents. Yet a pollster who conducted focus groups on gun control told me recently of her surprise that talk about guns quickly turned into a discussion of what participants experienced as a weakening of solidarity and shared commitment.

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106 responses to “Colorado’s Morality Lesson On Guns”

  1. Eddy Cheek says:

    It’s simple Gun owners vote. Politicians learned that in the 90’s after the assault rifle ban when so many were kicked out. Too bad they forgot and had to be taught again.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      So do the rest of us…What we don’t do is suck up the moolah the gun running billionaires in MO, TN, NC, GA and KY hand to the NRA like that fine old good ole good ole bois network. Kill one too many in our country and you’ll all be wishing your gunnie wunnie tois weren’t so lethal. How’s prison sound to the murderous thugs with the inability to control their male anger?

      • Eddy Cheek says:

        If you are going to respond try to make a little sense with your rambling. If you can’t do that at least use spell check.

  2. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    So let me see if I get this …one million NRA members turn every US street into a regular Gunfight at OK Corral and the rest of us are supposed to just stand by like dummies and allow it? Think again. If a gun is a symbol of penile power, it’s time for men to stop acting like cowards behind their guns. Big deal…you have a gun. And when you aren’t strapped with an arsenal and someone punches you in the face for being a bloated ego big mouth? See gun nut run…See him hurry to get his gun…See him being the running coward he really is.

    • silence dogood says:

      Exaggerate much or what ?

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Aurora, Newtown, exaggerated much? Aww…poor lil boi…can’t have his gunnie wunnies…How about your righties stop bullying and BSing everyone else for a change? You do not own this country. You don’t get to tell others what to do and most of all, there’s no exaggeration that your kind love that Wild West BS life. Find yourselves a nice remote island where you can have your High Noon every noon until all of you control freaks exterminate yourselves. If the sound of gun fire is all you clowns of the NRA and gun nut mentality have to get your jollies, it shows butt where brains used to be…coward.

    • itsfun says:

      Do you hate all men?

      • CPAinNewYork says:

        The answer to your question is “yes.” Ellie is a frustrated female with a failed marriage to her “credit.” She turns everything that she can into a tirade against men.

        Because I questioned the wisdom of the Democrats running a Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Warren ticket in 2016 (unbalanced tickets are generally political suicide), she accuses me of being anti-women. Some of her outbursts are truly incredible in their hatred of men.

        I’ve sworn off responding to her. Same for some of the other harpies on this website. There’s no sensible way to discuss anything with them.

        • idamag says:

          And you can prove those allegations or are you just another low-information, proud of stupid backwoods person?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Yes to the failed marriage, because she told us in a posting. The rest was brought to my attention forcefully by her snotty postings.

            And you, idahag, are you rushing to your “friend’s” defense because of your hatred of men?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            My marriage didn’t fail. I decide to fail it. Or do you actually think I’d tolerate a skirt chasing bully abusive drunk for the entire lifetime? Is that what your Mother did and why you developed such a lack of respect for ALL women? Big Momma lapped up the moolah from Big Daddy while Sonny watched Momma’s self respect go down the toilet?

            CPA…admit it…You hate women. It must be a long, long while for you right?

          • idamag says:

            He called me a man-hater, too. I was married for 61 years.

          • idamag says:

            She doesn’t hate men and I don’t hate men. I cannot speak for her, but I hate ignorance.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Idamag…This kind of man pushes women around and gets his jollies doing it. You can just bet he has a handful of women he dumps 90% of his JOB on and then acts like he is a king in his own little kingdom. This one is a sociopathic woman hater from the inner core. Big Momma must have dropped him on his butt end one too many times. Ooops…that wasn’t CPA’s butt end…it was his head. Same thing…no difference roflmao.

          • idamag says:

            Your immaturity is coming through loud and clear. I have seen no proof of anyone, on this board, being a male hater. Your high school psych class does not qualify you to diagnose.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          CPA…You are a sexually deviant woman hating number counter. Grow up. I hate your superiority particularly when you are no Boi Genius. Men who try to be what they are not are phonies…Join your league…they’re about to have a “Woman Hater’s Club” meeting…Now do go off and find yourself some male bonding and ego bloated adrenalin. Your kind never have the real stuff of which men are made of. Thus, not worthy of any woman’s respect much less her attention.

          • idamag says:

            You did not make a generality. You pointed out the men who try to be John Wayne. Yes, their obsession could be that the gun is the extension they desire.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Yes…I hate idiot men who swaggering and pretend to be superior to women when their butts are where brains should be. Newtown? Aurora? And let’s not forget the 6 killed this very day in DC at the Navy base. More murders…is that the only “juice” you boi children can produce?

    • idamag says:

      That is what I say. The goal of the NRA is to sell guns. It doesn’t matter if our streets become war zones. Merchants beware. If people are afraid to leave their homes, you will also suffer. They will be buying via internet or catalogs.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Actually, it’s more sociopathic than that. Take a good long look at who the most vocal spokespersons for the NRA happen to be…The Arm Candy Tundra Tootsie Palin, Michele Bachmanistan Bachmann. These two let allow to play loud mouthed harpy for the men who can’t put more than two sensible words together. Then, you get the Bulls…with their horns on their heads and the ones hanging from their nether region. These are the swaggering Jesse James, Clyde Barrow antique relics of a long ago lawless Wild West. This is really what the NRA wants most…the same thing the right wants…total control of the government to do as they damn well please. When they pay ALL the taxes, they can have their way…until then…when MY taxes pay for the welfare in their welfare ridden states, they have a case trying to tell me and other peace loving individuals that we have to put up with gun fire all around us every day. They are for what of a more charitable explanation a bunch of pathetic egotitical amoeba. They’d support Putin before their own president and then that they call being American? In their dreams.

    • johninPCFL says:

      Not only that. The NRA has used Congress to make gun manufacturers the only group in America that are completely exempt from suit due to product design flaws or manufacturing defects. If your gun explodes, you cannot, EVER, sue the manufacturer for the defective product even if you have experts to testify that it was designed to explode, or exploded because it was made poorly.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        I hope those guns explode in all the pretty bois faces out there who think their gun is a symbol of what they believe is “size” in their jeans. Their brains, meanwhile, are in their butts.

  3. gvette says:

    LMAO…as usual. The libtards, and demonrats forget it’s a right to be able to own, and carry a gun.In the case of the two rats that got the ax, they didn’t do, what the people that elected them, wanted them to do. Just another case of a rat, getting elected, then forgetting about the ones that elected them.

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

      They have no problem with people exercising their rights to own a gun. What they attempted to do was close the loopholes regarding background checks. Thanks to the existing LIBERAL gun laws, James Holmes was able to purchase a firearm, even though due to his mental health history he should not have been allowed to. Even he commented that if he had larger magazines, he probably would have been able to shoot more people in his rampage.

      • JSquercia says:

        Oddly enough the NRA used to be in favor of closing loopholes in Background checks until their Masters told them it would be bad for business .
        The laws are downright INSANE .In Iowa you can’t deny a BLIND person his RIGHt to own a gun . In several states they have extended the right to carry to bars . What could possibly go WRONG there .
        As for limiting the Size of magazines the nut that shot Congressman Gabby Gifford was stopped only when he went to reload

    • morbius777 says:

      CAN YOU READ??? WHAT IS THE FIRST CLAUSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT???? CAN YOU QUOTE THAT??? It’s assholes like you that should work for legalizing dueling… we’d love to put a few of you 6 feet under WITH YOUR OWN GUN LAWS.

      • gvette says:

        The gist of it is, we have the right to keep, and bear arms. LOL…I’m an asshole? You just described the bulk of demonrats. You are happy as long as everyone lives the way you want them to.

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

          Sounds like she cannot remember it. So, for her benefit, here it is ,”A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state” This has been debated over and over again. The most “LIBERAL” interpretation by the Supreme Court implies that all citizens of the United States makes up the militia. However, the concept of “well regulated” has been open to debate. When we were still a frontier based society, each community had a “militia”. The body was made up of anyone who could hold a firearm and shoot it. The leadership was generally the elected leaders of the town (Mayor, Alderman, Selectman, etc.). The militia was required to assemble and drill on the town green, or town square regularly. In the frontier environment, this was not as easy, due to the distance at which many farmsteads were from the community center (usually the town Church).

          • rothgar says:

            Actually if you go back and look at our Colonial history you will find in places like Williamsburg that the militia kept their military grade weapons in an Armory. The Militia weapons were locked up and used for militia/military purposes.

            Actually the most recent law governing the Militia states that ABLE BODIED MEN 17-45 are part of the unorganized militia. Theoretically, though politics make it impossible the Commander in Chief could theoretically order all members of the militia (unorganized or otherwise) to surrender their guns to the closest armory. This won’t be happening but it is well within the scope of legality under the 1903 Militia Act.

          • idamag says:

            Every state has a well regulated militia. It is called The National Guard.

          • rothgar says:

            Yep which is where I’d suggest anyone who wants to use firearms go. But although I enjoy shooting I am a “gun grabber.”

        • morbius777 says:

          I’m not interested in the “gist”…. I want to see if YOU CAN READ. QUOTE THE FIRST CLAUSE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT. And I’d be perfectly happy if you’ll just secede.

        • rothgar says:

          No Gvette the words of the amendment are clear the right to bear arms comes ONLY in the context of a well-regulated military (aka militia). The Legislative record from this time supports this assertion. There were drafts of this amendment and other discussions where the people writing the Bill of Rights were considering whether or not to add a conscious objector clause for devote Quakers and others who would be in theological jeopardy if they served.

    • charleo1 says:

      You state the case like a good little diddle, misinformed by the NRA.
      These common sense measures designed to keep guns out of the hands
      of criminals, and the mentally deranged And to limit the fire power of such
      individuals, when they do acquire a gun, are in no way limiting the Rights
      of anyone who’s record proves society is perfectly safe in their owning
      guns. As to the NRA, they are a lobby group, who could not care less
      about protecting the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Their goal
      is to make sure anyone, regardless of their criminal history, or mental
      capacity, can purchase any gun they have the money to buy. Because, to
      the gun manufactures, a sale, is a sale, is a sale. So let’s not be losing any
      business, by excluding an entire group, just because they have used a
      gun in the past to commit robbery, rape, or murder. Besides, why should
      even a child molester be denied his Constitutional Rights, when it comes
      to buying a gun? Society can lock him up, tell him where he can live,
      require him to register, put a monitor on his ankle, but never ever, require him to pass a background check to buy a gun. Because of course, once
      we deny him a gun, then everyone’s Rights are in danger of being taken away by the Leftist Loonies. That’s what you’re doing all hooting, and
      hollering in celebration about. Now, a sex offender’s Rights are just as
      important to protect as yours. According to you!

      • gvette says:

        As usual, you missed it. the people of Colorado don’t care about the background checks. That’s safety. The laws went above that. Limiting

        what they can own. That’s like saying a car engine comes with a certain amount of horsepower, and let’s not make more.It’s the freedom to own what they want to own. The democrat mindset is..they want it their way.

        You don’t like the NRA. They care about gun safety. I guess you don’t get that. Yes they lobby. Just like all the left leaning organizations do.

        I know, you want to pick, and choose that too. You wouldn’t be you, if you didn’t.

        • charleo1 says:

          I missed nothing, as I know this issue, and the NRA’s
          motivation. There is no lawful purpose served by selling
          into the public arena 100 round magazines, that clip to
          assault weapons. There is also no justification for the
          NRA’s ludicrous assertions, that requiring background
          checks, and gun registrations for licensed dealers. While
          leaving a gapping hole open for criminals to obtain guns
          from unlicensed, individuals, is in any way protecting
          law abiding American’s Rights to posses guns. As to
          limiting the size of automobile engines. We actually do
          a fair job of recognizing those individuals, who by their
          records, have proven themselves to be hazards on the
          road. By removing their legal ability to register a car in
          their name, or obtain the proper insurance. And that
          includes cars purchased from dealers, or individuals.
          And these common sense laws have threatened law
          abiding citizen’s driving privileges? If so, how?

          • gvette says:

            LOL…you kinda missed my point, on power. I was thinking more of the ten thousand HP that power top fuel, and funny cars.
            Enough of that.
            From what I read, the NRA isn’t against background checks. You might be getting that from your left leaning news. Criminals will always get guns. LOL..they don’t buy from gun dealers. Shit, they can buy from Obama, and Holder.

    • mah101 says:

      You know, gvette, if you can’t articulate a coherent message without resorting to demonizing those whose positions differ from your own, you have lost the argument. You obviously wouldn’t go into a gunfight without ammunition, I’m shocked that you would enter a verbal argument unarmed.

      Did you see the part of the editorial that discussed the loss of community, of commonality and shared values? The rant that you posted above further exacerbates and inflames that problem.

      • gvette says:

        Shared values. Yup…as long as they are YOUR values. That’s why they got ousted. Being democrats, they didn’t care about the values of those, that elected them. I know, it pisses you off.

        • mah101 says:

          I did not say that. Please stop with the projection. I ask simply that you listen to others with respect and understand their positions – just as I expect from myself.

          • gvette says:

            Demonize. wow, that’s all the left does. LOL…I get called names by you on the left all the time.
            Speaking of listening, that’s what those two that got the boot, didn’t do. They didn’t listen to ones that voted for them.

          • mah101 says:

            I haven’t demonized you at all, so just calm down and lets have a chat…

            Tell me why you think that these two state legislators didn’t listen to the voters? Do their constituents reject all gun control measures, or is it any particular measure (magazine size limits, etc). In your opinion, what is the driving force behind the recall effort?

          • gvette says:

            From what I’ve read, and heard, it’s the fact they don’t want to be told what they can own. Not to mention, it was going to hurt the businesses that cater to hunters. With their new laws, most that would come into the sate, would be illegal.The voters warned them. They didn’t listen. I’ll bet they are now!!

          • browninghipower says:

            Hey…the law called for a 15 round limit; and background checks. Wow, what a limit on freedom. Can you name for me one…just one freedom you’ve lost in the last 5 years? And please don’t mention the NSA, that started under Bush. But I’ve been waiting to hear from just one person who screams about loss of freedom, to name one. So please indulge me.

          • gvette says:

            Good thing you don’t live in NY. As for freedoms. I guess you don’t read all the EOs that your pal Barry has singed. I guess you don’t understand the health bill. You’re just another that got sucked into Barry lies! i wish you luck!

          • idamag says:

            An intelligent person would stick to the topic being discussed.

          • idamag says:

            The crazies that shoot up schools, malls, and theaters have the right not to be questioned, but the victims lost their right to life, liberty and happiness.

          • mah101 says:

            Thank you gvette. While I may disagree with your opinion, I appreciate your perspective and will consider it in thinking of this and other issues. You make a greater impact and contribution by talking about the issues than you do by attacking those with whom you disagree.

            From what I’ve read I believe both former legislators feel that they did the right thing in voting for the law, even though it cost them their seats. I also rather doubt that they didn’t listen but rather voted for what they believed was in the best interest of their constituents. I don’t think a tactic of threats and fear is the best way to influence the political system. Just my thoughts, you were kind enough to share yours.

      • idamag says:

        She is not well educated. I have noticed the loss of community also. I don’t know whether it is caused by electronic social media, a lessening of intelligence, or the non-stimulating tv programs. It could have started with the weakening of family. From there it went to the community and is spreading to the nation. The “we” is gone and it is now them versus us. gvette wouldn’t understand exchanging opinions and trying to understand the other side. Sadly that is a lost art in the U.S. today.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      The Contards have to carry guns. Cowards who can’t fight battles with their brains always need firearms to get rid of anyone who disagrees with their pathetic misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment all while they violate our 1st Amendment rights to disagree with their putrid, hateful, bigoted, disgusted BS.

      • gvette says:

        No Eleanore, that’s people protecting themselves, and their loved ones.

        You don’t get to read about all of that on that crap you read. Mainstream just doesn’t cover it. I hope no one ever breaks into your home, to harm you. When seconds count, cops are just a donut shop away. remember that.

        • rothgar says:

          Try deadbolt locks. No chance of using a dead bolt lock for a suicide or having your dead bolt taken from you and used on you.

          P.S. I lived in one of the toughest neighborhoods in the US (Chester PA) for 6 months. UNARMED.

          There is a far higher chance that a gun will be used as a means of suicide or be stolen that it will be used in a Defensive manner.

          Besides when did you get the to turn a petty crime (B&E) into a capital offense. You didn’t.

          • gvette says:

            I’ll refrain from launching the attack on your stupidity that I’d enjoy. I understand, because of your limited reading material,
            you have no idea how much crime really goes on around the country. Knowing you only read Barry approved reading material. Other news sources follow this type of news, daily.
            There are a lot of people, breaking into peoples homes. The nice part is, they have guns, and use them. I’m glad you lived through living in a bad neighborhood.

          • rothgar says:

            I know that if the NRA and FSU assertions were even remotely correct that there are 800,000 to 2.2 million defensive gun uses every year there would be more than a handful of reports. If there conclusions were remotely true there would be there would be something like 1200 to 4000 DGU per month per state. Surely more than 1% of these would be reported especially in all those lovely CCW states.

            One of the reports the Gun rights crowd was touting when I last went though the NRA reports involved someone who shooting their gun in a GAS STATION to stop a petty theft.

            Luckily this b@#$ didn’t blow themselves to kingdom come.

            So where are the thousands of reports because there are thousands of successful gun suicides and intra-family shootings.

            I keep trying to read conservative materials on subjects like gun rights and economics but the obvious stupidity and nonsensical arguments keep making my head hurt. Yes, I started reading John Lott’s allegedly “even-handed” academic discourse on Gun’s but the conflict of interest started screaming at me on page 3.

          • gvette says:

            There area lot of sites. I’ll not bother to give them to you. I wouldn’t want to make your head hurt. You just keep reading The Obama press. That’s all you can handle. Barry’s lies, and
            failures. Sounds like you are like him. Get rid of the .constitution.

          • rothgar says:

            OK give me the sites. Otherwise, I’ll stick with my opinion that the NRA and allies are VASTLY overstating the number of times people use guns for valid defensive purposes.

            The stats for Suicide and intra-family gun deaths are well documents.

          • idamag says:

            Scare the scaredy cats into buying guns. A scared person with a gun is not the person I want to share my streets with.

          • idamag says:

            And you are prepared to give us the facts, I am sure.

          • idamag says:

            I have been to some of the worst neighborhoods in America, unarmed.

        • idamag says:

          You don’t get to read that much because it doesn’t happen much. So protect your home, but keep your paranoia off our streets.

          • gvette says:

            LOL..you mean like the shooting today.

          • idamag says:

            A background check might have turned up the information that this person had gun troubles before and should not have had a gun. He was cited twice for shooting the gun off inappropriately. He had problems in the service. Of course, he had the right to carry a gun without checks, your ilk says so.

          • gvette says:

            Unlike our soldiers. I guess you forgot. Your pal, blowjob Clinton, disarmed our military right after he got into office. LOL…just another democrat gun free zone.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          gvette…Sorry sweetie…All that “protection” your kind spout is BS and you know it…One day later…13 dead at the Navy Yard…If the military can’t protect its workers stop trying to use tired out old excuses for why you need an AR-15…You don’t. No one does. So please spare us the royal load of BS.

          • gvette says:

            He didn’t use the gun you mention. I’ll take you to something else to think about. You forgot, or just didn’t know, when blowjob Clinton was first elected, one of his firsts was to disarm our soldiers. Yes, just another demonrat gun free zone.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            gvette…Stuff that Stars and Bars Bully BS where the sun doesn’t shine. I know he didn’t use an AR-15. Reading comprehension problem? Or just more deliberate Cowboy Wild West lawless nut jobs of the Confederacy hoping for another decade of bullying on our tax dollars. You obviously are well versed in the art of blow jobs having such knowledge about Clinton. Now, do you want to admit that an illegitimate kid was born to a Red State VA hot shot by his Venezuelan mistress? The one I especially enjoyed was the blow jobs that GOP hot shot was giving to the Congressional pages. Or the incident in the airport bathroom where another blow job GOP male bull was waiting for “bait.”

            Bone up on your blow job labeling pallie…You hate Clinton and you know why…He’s an attractive AND smarter man than you slugs of the right will ever be. Sorry you can’t come up with a better defense. Let me guess…You’re the product of those hotcha two-parent families with a Big Daddy who breeds hate into his sons and a Big Momma whose palms have been buttered more times than a loaf of toast. Which by the way your post is…toast.

          • gvette says:

            As usual. being a demonrat, you missed the point, and jumped right to the sex. The point. People died, in two different forts, because of an order that slick willy supported. LOL…Then again, I don’t expect much from a left wing low life!!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            There is NO point to miss…The only point your kind have are your pointed heads and pointed vies. How many people did Bush kill or will you do the coward thing now and remind me how Bush isn’t president? Neither is Clinton jealous little boi. I never expect anything from right wingers…they long ago lost any brain powers of rational thought. Your posts prove that.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          No one has broken into the home I’ve lived in for 47 years…and I live in one of the most densely populated states per square mile…NJ. Drop the Wild West Lawlessness Attitude and the Middle Aged Gross Insecurity and get on with your life if it’s that worth protecting.

    • browninghipower says:

      I have a CCW; I own several handguns and I resent you and your fucking ignorance and hatred. The fact that someone like can own and carry is disgusting to me. You are the face of the NRA….and it’s very ugly. Fuck off.

      • gvette says:

        Well sir, I don’t own a gun. I do belong to the NRA. LOL..are you the sole demonrat that owns a gun? My friends all own guns. I just never cared about them. Just the right to carry. If I offend you, who cares?

      • idamag says:

        You put it very well. I have a cousin who collects guns. He has over 200. I am not afraid of him having guns. I know several people that have guns that don’t scare me. It is people, like Gvette, that is scary that they have a gun. A scared oerson with a gun is dangerous.

  4. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

    Considering the amount of money spent on advertising on the losing side (a lot more than the “gun lobby” paid out), maybe the pols should reevaluate how they spent the money and lost, and how they should have spend the money to win.
    I do have to agree with Morse, though. Every police chief (and retired chief) in the country thinks the current gun laws have too many loopholes, and too uneven enforcement. The Colorado state legislature bravely attempted to close the loopholes governing background checks. Unfortunately they tied it to the knee-jerk reaction of magazine size. Had they limited it to background checks, Morse and Giron would probably still be in office today.

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  5. itsfun says:

    When the author talks about dirty tricks, is he forgetting using bribes and special senate rules to get health care passed?

    • charleo1 says:

      There was no tricks. Dirty, or otherwise, in the Senate’s passing HCA.
      What was before healthcare reform, is still the case. Measures involving
      budgetary items may not be filibustered. And debate on the matter may
      be closed by the majority leader, and bill sent to the floor for a up or down
      vote. It’s how Republicans passed the Bush Tax Cuts, that blew such a
      big hole in the budget, while we fought to wars, and had a near economic
      collapse. You do know you’re rooting for the wrong side? Right? Tell me.
      What did the Republican Party ever do that helped you, that didn’t give
      away the store to the big money, top of the food chain, moochers?

      • itsfun says:

        Bribing is not a dirty trick? The Democrats never allowed a Republican health care bill out of committee for the whole Senate to read. Of course they never bothered to read it anyway. The Republican Party lowered my taxes. Lower taxes are a good thing. We have more people on food stamps than the entire population of Spain. That is another benefit of having a give away party in charge.

        • charleo1 says:

          Don’t tell me you’ve never heard of political horse trading?
          It’s as old at least, as the idea of shared power, and
          committee rule itself. And certainly as old as the U.S,
          Congress. It’s called I’ll support you in locating that big
          whatever in your home district, if you will support me on
          this. Call it what you will. It’s nothing new, and certainly
          a practice the GOP itself continues to engaged in.
          The thing that is so difficult for the Republicans, the
          free market solution Party, to honestly oppose the
          health reform bill. Because it is it actually based on their
          own plan, they touted, and supported in large numbers
          when they first presented it in the early 90s. Yes, the
          mandatory part too. And lower taxes are not always a
          good thing, if they create large budget deficits in a time
          of war, or economic contractions, where their is a lot of
          long term job loss. But, unless your earnings are in the
          million dollar, or more per year range, Barack Obama
          a Democrat, made your tax cuts permanent, when they
          were due to expire this year. And I’ve got to honest with
          you, without getting all smart assed about it. But the way
          the Right in this Country have gone after a supplemental
          food program, who’s principal recipients are the working
          poor, with dependent children, and the elderly. Is just about the most craven, and contemptible thing I can ever recall.
          And it’s stupid. Like watching a house fire, and complaining
          about the extra water being used. Can you guess as to why
          the number receiving assistance has increased. While the
          qualifications to be eligible, have stayed the same?

          • itsfun says:

            Bribing is bribing, I don’t care what label you give it. Lower taxes didn’t hurt the economy, the failed presidency of Obama is what is screwing up the economy and all the give away programs the liberals have. Take from the wage earners and give to non-earners. What happens when the wage earners run out of money? My country is now the laughing stock of the world because of Obama and his flip flopping. He has a red line, didn’t have a red line, can go to war without congress, then says I’ll go to congress, then says never mind, Russia has fixed the problem for me.

          • charleo1 says:

            You are ridiculous. But fortunately not my problem.

        • idamag says:

          Let’ have your rock solid proof of bribery, not rumors started by the crazies.

          • itsfun says:

            Are you the only person in America that hasn’t read or seen reported on news shows about US Senators being bribed by Obama pass his health care!

          • idamag says:

            Strange, you immature people can throw out something and claim it is common knowledge, but cannot give the background of their statistics, Even if someone, like you, does give a site, it turns out to be the wack job site.

          • itsfun says:

            Senator Nelson of Nebraska was one of the Senators that took a bribe from Obama. Are you saying if someone give a site as proof that you don’t like, that makes it a wack job site? Who put you in charge of deciding what is good and what is bad?

          • idamag says:

            If you had a little more education and a little more sophistication, you would know that sources are everything. Since you didn’t bother to vet your sources, I did. The story is that two Tennessee legislators want to redefine bribery to include trading favors. Trading favors has been going on since the inception of the government. If you vote for my bill, I will vote for your bill. And, I might agree that earmarks and favors should be redefined. It wasn’t Obama who traded favors. It was Senator Nelson. Earmarks and trading favors is how Alaska got the bridge to nowhere via the efforts of Senator Stevens. Because of the brouhaha, it didn’t get built. However, the governor of Alaska did build a highway to meet the bridge to nowhere. It is also how Texas got a big government windfall to build a cowgirl museum. Keep your stories straight, little boy.

          • itsfun says:

            Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu got over 100 million to increase federal medicaid for “certain states recovering from a major disaster” Congressional Budget Office

            California got 300 million in federal medicaid to give to doctors in the state. LA Times

            Vermont got over 100 million for community health centers for the vote from Bernie Sanders.

            Lieberman was threatened to be removed from committee chairmanship if he didn’t fall in line. Chris Dodd got a new hospital in Connecticut.
            Nebraska got over 100 million also.

            Bill Nelson in Florida got exemption from Medicaid advantage cuts.
            All of these after Obama campaigned on “no more backroom deals”

            I don’t care what you labels these. You want to call them trade-offs do it. If it walks, talks, smells like a bribe, its a bribe.

            I know you believe you are the one and only to verify all sites for acceptance, Kinda like a dictator is the only one allowed an opinion. Have fun little girl

          • idamag says:

            Right now, none of that is defined as bribery. There are some legislators who want it defined as such and maybe it should be, but until it is you are just opening yourself up for a lawsuit for libel.

          • itsfun says:

            You can’t be sued for libel for reporting the truth. I even got out of jury duty 4 months ago, when I completed the form sent to me. I just said that since the Congress had made bribery legal, I couldn’t convict anyone of bribery. After all, if the law makers can do it, it can’t be a crime.

    • idamag says:

      If you had any intelligence, you could stick to the topic.

      • itsfun says:

        oh golly gee, I didn’t know you are in charge of what I say.

        • charleo1 says:

          She’s right, you’re all over the place. You refuse to reply
          to rebuttals. Make wild accusations, which you can’t
          back up. Then make subjective opinions, and broad conclusions, you seem to have come to all on your own.
          Not by any factual data, but what you feel is going on.
          I feel Liberals are giving away more food stamps. Not
          the economy’s lousy. I feel the Obama Presidency is a
          failure. Although the economy was on the brink of collapse
          when Obama took office. It’s just partisan nonsense.

          • idamag says:

            I think this is a 12-yr-old kid, judging by ifsun’s language skills.

          • charleo1 says:

            Neither informed, or sophisticated, he does fit the pattern of the typical, rank and file ideologue. First, they disassociate cause, and effect. Ignoring the cause, (the recession.)
            To make claims, such as, Obama increased the Federal
            debt more in his first year in office, than George W. Bush
            did in his first two. And, I’m sure you’ve heard this one. President Obama is the, “food stamp,” President. Because more people are receiving them, than at any other time
            since the program began. Both statements may be true.
            But only damning, or make a valid point, if one completely ignores the fact, that President Obama took office in the worst part of the deepest recession in more than 80 years. The maddening thing for me is, 95% or more of those who only listen to Right Wing sources will agree with such assertions. They have been literally taught to exclude
            any history before Barack Obama was elected. And more
            than half continue to believe, it was President Obama that
            bailed out the banks.(Something they vehemently disagreed
            with.) While, of course ignoring, or dismissing out of hand,
            like our, “friend,” itsfun here, any attempts to correct them.
            I call them the, “Firemen are monumental water wasters
            brigade.” According to them, for example. Addresses where the Fire Department showed up. Our studies prove, many of them used more water in a single day, than they had in the last 5 years! As their little bobble heads nod in approval.

          • nirodha says:

            Because logic completely escapes them,(most likely because few, if any, of them have ever studied logic) the hard right gets angry and makes totally asinine assertions. (The “keep telling a lie often enough and loudly enough and maybe people will believe it” theory). If anyone rebuts their scatological nonsense with facts, comparisons, actual history, reasoned argument, etc., they go ballistic and double down on their bullshit. They remind me of an American tourist I saw once in Italy. She demanded something from a shopkeeper in English. When the proprietor told her in Italian that he did not understand, she raised her voice. Again, no response. Pretty soon, she was screaming at the poor guy. She thought that if she spoke louder, it would make the guy understand her. It is so tempting to egg people like that on and taunt them. I guess it’s not very nice to expose their stupidity, but it’s pointless anyway, because they’re too stupid to know how stupid they are.

  6. Angel Perea says:

    THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: Speaking as
    Native Californian, I say, Let insanity continue and let them continue the
    slaughter of people in Colorado, while the Assault Gun Manufacturers and NRA
    political prostitutes continue to make their millions in profits! Unfortunate,
    but maybe a few more Auroras and Columbine school massacres there will wakem
    up? We have a Sign as you enter California: NRA is NOT WELCOME!

  7. tdm3624 says:

    EJ Dionne has a point when he said that “…the intensity gap is precisely the problem.” Pro gun people are so passionate about the issue that they will spend money, vote, and write their representatives to a much greater degree than gun-control proponents.

  8. stcroixcarp says:

    This is a sad story, especially today when another 13 people lost their lives in a mass shooting. I salute the courage of these legislators for standing up to the terrorist NRA gun lobby.

  9. Lynda Groom says:

    Well here we are today watching another American execute his 2nd Amendment right to kill his fellow citizens. When willl we ever learn. These two honest and brave public servants tried to do something about the problem and as pay back were fired. Strange times indeed are witness too.

  10. silence dogood says:

    Your comment is childish.

  11. idamag says:

    Don’t anyone fall for the work-at-home scam. The warning has been posted on other sites. Rochelle762 is a scam. Hold tight to your money.

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