By Jason Sattler

Elizabeth Warren Joins The Senate, Scott Brown Gets Ugly

January 3, 2013 6:46 pm Category: Memo Pad, National News, Politics 428 Comments A+ / A-
Elizabeth Warren Joins The Senate, Scott Brown Gets Ugly

Elizabeth Warren was sworn in Thursday as the junior U.S. senator from the state of Massachusetts, after more than a decade of fighting against the burden of usurious debt burden on the middle class.

Republicans and Wall Street fiercely opposed Warren to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau she created, prompting the president to choose her as special advisor to set up the bureau, and then Warren’s ultimate decision to challenge Scott Brown for his Senate seat.

Warren will likely become the senior senator from Massachusetts in just weeks when John Kerry (D-MA) replaces Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, prompting a special election for his seat.

Brown, who won Ted Kennedy’s former seat in a special election in 2011, has not announced if he will oppose Ed Markey, the senior congressman Kerry hopes will become Massachusetts’ new junior senator. But Brown seemed to be positioning himself to challenge the congressman with comments he made on Wednesday when asked on a local radio show if he’d run.

“I’ll tell you what… they’re making it awfully tempting. You’ve got Ed Markey: Does he even live here anymore?” Brown said.

“You’ve got to check the travel records. I’ve come back and forth [from Washington to Boston] every weekend, almost, for three years, and I see, you know, most of the delegation, and I have never seen Ed on the airplane—ever,” Brown added.

Markey owns his family home in Malden, which is in the district he’s represented in the House of Representatives for 26 years. His wife Susan Blumenthal owns a house in Chevy Chase, Maryland. She works at the National Institutes of Health in Washington D.C..

Brown’s win in the 2011 election came at the beginning of the Tea Party wave. His promise to be the 41st vote that would stop Obamacare was very well-received in the state, despite the fact that “Romneycare,” the near-universal health care that the Affordable Care Act was modeled after, has been in place since 2006 and remains popular.

Early in 2012, 35.9 percent of the registered voters in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts were Democrats, 11.35 percent were Republicans, and 57.18 percent didn’t claim any party. President Obama beat Mitt Romney in the state where Romney served as governor by 23 percent. Given these numbers, Scott Brown only losing to Elizabeth Warren by 8 percent is almost impressive.

However, Markey defeated his most recent opponent, Republican Tom Tierney, by 52 percent. And Massachusetts had never elected a female senator before Warren.

If Brown doesn’t run, former governor William Weld is expected to seek the Republican nomination to replace Kerry.

Photo credit: AP Photo/Michael Dwyer

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1463120597 John-Pierre Conques

    “You’ve got to check the travel records. I’ve come back and forth [from Washington to Boston] every weekend, almost, for three years, and I see, you know, most of the delegation, and I have never seen Ed on the airplane—ever,”

    How very typically Republican. “I’ve never seen it with my own eyes (more than likely because my head is firmly wedged up my ass), so therefore it cannot possibly be true!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2IYMN76RLQN4WSTTMA4PDCEJSI Ken

      Forgot to add “*Except for God.”

      • myfanwy

        Can you please explain what you mean by this comment? It doesn’t seem connected to the topic at hand.

    • one_veteran

      And… who do you think is paying for his airplane tickets every week??? duhhhhh and he wants to cut government spending?????

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.cronin.94 Greg Cronin

        There is no first class in the DC shuttle to Boston! If you occasionally left your parents basement you may have figured that out! Yut yut

        • corradodave

          Oh really? 30 seconds at Travelocity is sufficient to prove your idiotic assertion to be incorrect.

    • doumor_99

      If it isn’t their own ass it is another Republican’s ass!

    • 340

      Brown is a Independent so much for that…and seeing as Markey is a lying sack of shit,i’ll side with Scott on this one..

      • lousgirl84

        Brown is a republican with an R after his name and what has Markey lied about exactly? Care to elaborate you lying sackof shit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greg.cronin.94 Greg Cronin

      Pierre, you actually should have a bag over your head….

    • myfanwy

      Elizabeth Warren is a Democrat, so I don’t quite understand what your point is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

    It appears that Scott is a small minded, snarky little man. By all means run for office again if you are up too it, but why the nonsense? If he has something to offer, or defend, why not just man up and let the voters decide? You would think that after having his butt handed to him by a little girl he would have learned that personal attacks are so passe. The old tomahawk won’t work this time…actually it did not work out too well last time.

    • carsrus

      Replace the name Scott with Obama and u r right on!

      • old_blu

        Huh? What the hells the matter with you? Obama won, Scott lost. And Obama wasn’t running against a girl. (just a whimp)

        Did you even read what Lynda said?

        • neeceoooo

          well said blu

          • empiremed

            That “little girl” is who lberals im Massachusetts will
            awaays vote for. Brown did guite well considering the left
            wing electorate of that state. It hard to beleive those people
            would elect someone who thinks a business owner should be taxed to death because the government built a road to their
            building.

          • elw

            No kidding, you mean businesses would rather take “free roads” then pay their fair share. I guess we could give them a choice, they can pay taxes or put their businesess in places the roads do not go. It would be an interesting experiment, lets see how well it works to get the buildings built and their products to the market and/or their employese to work, not to mention how customers would find them.

          • neeceoooo

            I really like your solution. Let’s see how they like it if there are no roads to the office.

          • empiremed

            They’re already paying much more taxes than most of the people using the roads for free. And. they’re providind jobs, which makes more taxpayers.

          • elw

            GOP spin, there is no proof that lower taxes for business and the rich makes more jobs. In fact history has shown otherwise, after the Bush tax break we started bleeding jobs and the ression started during the Bush Presidency. You would have to prove that most of the people using the roads are not paying taxes.

          • empiremed

            The economic downturn did not start until the dems took control of Congress in 2006. The fact is, wheather you believe it or not, is that the U.s. Treasury collect more dollara during the Bush years than any other time in U.S. history. Look it up.

            Admittedly the Republican Cogress at that time spent too much money trying to buy votes to stay in office like the dems always have. But that made their base mad and they lost in 2006.
            What would this country do without businesses to provide jobs?

          • old_blu

            Do you mean to provide jobs for China?

          • jointerjohn

            I am weary of hearing how businesses “provide jobs”, as if it was some sort of charitable act or something. They “purchase labor”, that’s what they actually do, and they don’t do it out of any desire to help anything but their bottom line. No different than the electricity they buy, tools or office supplies. Along those same lines, this nonsense about the corporations and the wealthy as “job creators” is just as disingenuous. In our consumer economy it is paychecks in the hands of the middle class that create jobs, not the other way around. In essence those who work jobs and spend their pay should be called the “wealth creators”.

          • ChuckPotrazebie

            Dear John; unless you work for yourself and pay yourself from money someone else gave you, then you work for a business. Is it a charitable act because they like you? No, they are purchasing your labor, see? That’s how it works, you do work for them, they pay you for it. Yess, they do buy electricity, tools, office supplies; all from OTHER businesses that use that money to pay THEIR employees and hopefully build up their business. See, that’s how it works. You don’t think corporations (or any business) “create jobs”? Where do you find jobs if business doesn’t create them? And “paychecks in the hands of the middle class that create jobs”? Those paychecks certanly help to keep the economy going, but they certainly don’t “create wealth”. Without business, those paychecks are worthless.

          • myfanwy

            They create demand for goods and services. That’s how the economy grows, not because of fictitious “job creators,” who won’t make a move until they know that there will be buyers for whatever they are selling.

          • idamag

            Joint, every person, who has a job, is paying taxes, hence paying down the National Debt. He is a consumer and all businesses benefit from consumers.

          • elw

            It does not matter how much money you take in when you spend more that you get, which is exactly what Bush did. In fact, since Reagan’s Presidency the Republicans have always added more to the deficit than any of the Democratic Presidents. Look it up. You can hardly blame 6 years of Republican control during the Bush administration and the results of it on the last two years of his Presidency because the Democrats suddenly took control of Congress. The economy was already begining to crash and we were already losing 100,000 jobs a month by then. In addition the housing market was beginning to go South by then. It was the Bush tax cut and two unfunded wars, plus an unfunded drug plan, all Republican pushed policies and programs that caused the Resession. As far as businesses go, they have been sending our jobs overseas for a couple of decades now – you should have asked that question the second they started doing it, not now. We will never recover all of those jobs.

          • idamag

            elw, the jobs lost overseas may not come back for a long time.

          • elw

            I know, sad isn’t it?

          • idamag

            elw, if lower taxes for the so-called job creators made jobs, the economy would be in good shape.

          • elw

            I agree.

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            Show me the jobs. The rich pay less taxes then working people. You would know that if you worked.

          • idamag

            Compare Middle class taxes at 29 percent to wealthy speculators at 15 with enough loopholes that they don’t even pay that.

          • myfanwy

            A start-up small business doesn’t provide many jobs.

          • SpaceVegetable

            You’re kidding, right? Warren and Obama both insulted business owners by dismissing all the work they put into building those businesses. You’ve obviously never run a business or you would be aware of all the taxes businesses already pay. Business property taxes are much higher than residential rates. They also pay the same gas tax on fuel for any company vehicles that use the roads. They pay business fees, insurance, worker’s comp, liability insurance, unemployment insurance, not to mention hefty corporate tax rates.

            You and your “fair share” crowd really don’t get it. Corporations don’t actuallypay taxes, you know. Taxes are a business expense. If taxes go up, like other expenses, then either prices must go up or cuts (like employees) must be made. There is no magic money tree growing in corporate offices for the sheer purpose of paying taxes. If you think it’s so easy, go start your own business and then come back and tell us how you “didn’t build that.” With my own business, I damn well did build it with no help from anyone else.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Stop lying. If you want to claim that you built a successful business all by yourself, with no help from anyone, then go to Antarctica and start more successful businesses. There will be no taxes for you to whine about, and since you claim that you don’t need anything from anyone else to be successful, the location should make no difference. Oh yes, one added benefit would be that you wouldn’t be around here to insult our ears with your ridiculous whoppers, and for that I would thank you kindly.

          • Hagrid

            He said “build a business” not create a country, you dolt. The infrastructure was built and maintained from taxes over a very long time. Businesses now pay far more than an “equal” share of taxes to maintain the infrastructure than the middle and lower classes ever do.

          • WhutHeSaid

            It’s a ‘she’ and not a ‘he’, you moron. And all you did was validate my point, although no doubt you are too much of a nitwit to realize it. Since businesses pass along the cost of taxes to their customers — who actually paid for the country’s infrastructure? Also, the cost of maintaining a viable infrastructure and robust economy is ongoing — did you think that the Pilgrims built everything the country would ever need and that was it?

            You are what I call one of the ‘unsmart’ — you actually lower the collective IQ of any room you waddle into.

          • myfanwy

            Are you typically this rude? Good grief.

          • WhutHeSaid

            When somebody insults me, absolutely. Are you the Internet police?

          • myfanwy

            Can you cite some examples so that we can check them out?

          • elw

            No I am not kidding at all. Actually I ran my own small business for twenty years. You are confused; Obama and Warren were not dismissing business owners in any way shape or form. Stop taking everything so personal. Their point was simply that taxes help build the infrastructure that make it possible for anyone to do business and everyone should pay their fair share. They were not talking about what your business sells or makes they were talking about the roads, utilities, police and fire protection and all the other services that allow you to concentrate on building your business. Everyoone pays for gas, various types of insurance, fees and taxes, it is part of doing business; it does not excuse anyone from paying a fair share of their taxes and if they didn’t have customers, good employees, and the government to provide protection, roads and utilities most of them would never have gotten their businesses started, especially small businesses. Making more money than others does not mean you have the right to spend a smaller percentage of you earnings on taxes than those who make less. That is a Republican idea that is being rejected by the majority of Americans, which was made clear in November.

          • SpaceVegetable

            I’m not confused about anything. I saw the speeches and I know exactly what was said and the sneering manner in which it was said. I pay plenty of taxes and have done so all my life. I should not have to pay even more just because I make better use of public infrastructure than someoene else. Heck, even those 47% who don’t pay taxes get the same access to infrastructure. It’s hardly my fault they don’t use it productively.

            You claim you ran a small business… why did you start it? I started mine to *make money*. COntrary to liberal belief, “profit” is not a 4-letter word. I have every right to pay as little tax as I can legally manage. I earned my money. It belongs to me. I pay for every service I use, just like any other person or business. Obama and Fauxcahontas insulted most business owners by insinuating that we didn’t earn our own success and somehow weren’t paying any taxes, which is untrue and completely incorrect. Most business owners pay far more in taxes than any individual and have likely done so even before starting a business. I don’t owe the government more just because I’m able to make a profit. I pay the minimum in taxes that I can legally manage.

            Making more money than others does *not* entitle the government to somehow penalize me for working hard and taking greater risks than someone else. If you’ve run a business, then you know that 4 out of 5 businesses fail. LIkewise with stock investments. The reason we have lower tax rates on the latter is because that type of investment isn’t guaranteed and greater risk needs to be tempered with greater reward. Also, that money is already taxed at the corporate level, so taxing it again isn’t fair.

            Starting a business is a risk. It takes a lot of time and sacrifices on the part of the owner. I don’t get compensated by the government all the free time I’ve given up to work on my business. If I get outsized financial rewards as a result, I should not be penalized for that. Just as someone who chooses not to spend that kind of time working should not have to pay tax on the free time they use for their own pleasures. There are different kinds of rewards and definitions of success, but this administration seems to be intent on punishing anyone who has the audacity to achieve their American Dream.

            It’s not greedy or selfish to want to keep what you earn and save for an uncertain future. I don’t believe social security and medicare will still be around when I retire, so I’m stashing away every penny I can so I can live comfortably and not resort to eating cat food when I’m old. I refuse to feel guilty or responsible for others who choose not to prepare and want to depend on the government or anyone else to take care of them. I choose to stand on my own two feet and I will not allow anyone to take from me what I earned out of some misguided and socialistic concept of “fairness.”

          • elw

            Well, you will be paying more taxes. How you plan to “not allow” that to happen is up to you and might be difficult since you claim not to cheat. Good luck to you; I think you might find, regardless of what you think, that this Nation is beginning to move towards the left, whether you like it or not.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            And it remains to be seen whether or not that will be a good thing.

          • Hagrid

            Guess again, We all will be paying more taxes after being lied to…to pay for services for people who pay no taxes at all. You may think the Country is moving to the Left, fine thats your world, the real world is moving heading in the other direction.

          • elw

            Going to the Right? Than explain to me how President Obama managed to win by close to 4 million votes and over 100 electorial college votes and why Republicans lost 25 seats in the house and 1 in the Senate?

          • Hagrid

            “Making more money than others does not mean you have the right to spend a smaller percentage of you earnings on taxes than those who make less. That is a Republican idea that is being rejected by the majority of Americans, which was made clear in November”

            Really?

            I have every right to keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, by any legal means possible. This is not a just a Republican idea. Democrats have the same idea as well, they just keep everyone’s money.

            Obama and Warren are clueless as business managers and have little to no first hand experience, however they are well practiced in the Democratic ways of spending someone else’s money on entitlement programs and handouts. This creates zero jobsand no tax revenue.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Stop lying. Everybody knows that the slack-jawed, redneck Republican states suck up the tax money paid by the Democratic states. Republican administrations are also the champions of runaway federal spending and fiscal irresponsibility — a historical fact. The other major difference between the public-benefit-snorting Republican rednecks is that they constantly lie about it.

            Get a job.

          • elw

            Yes, really. Go ahead and tell me all about the millions of jobs Bush created with his tax cut for the Rich? You have the right to keep every penny you earned, after you pay your taxes. Which will be going up this year. No one said anything else.

          • myfanwy

            Your nom de plume suits you.

          • idamag

            emp, the little girl from Massachusets did get credit card reform enacted.

          • myfanwy

            Businesses do not usually buy or lease buildings in undeveloped areas, so whatever roads, streetlights, sidewalks, electrical grids, fire, police, and ambulance services exist there are compliments of the state or local government.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TT6POTCLZCE74T76WAJIIIUAHU frida

        carsrus:
        Can you find your way back to Fox News or do you need the help? We have very, very reasoning people commenting here. It seems you got lost on the way.

      • neeceoooo

        There you go with your racist comments

      • idamag

        carsus, WTF, why don’t you racists find an Obama hating blog and stick with it. This conversation was not about President Obama and, by the way, he won. I voted for him because I have a triple-digit IQ. Your goal is hate. Go away. You aren’t ready to play with the big boys yet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    Electability depends on qualifications, relevant experience, and character, not travel schedules. Scott Brown’s excuse characterizes the lack of intellectual acumen that contributes to the governmental problems we are having in Washington.

    • Inthenameofliberty

      What a very interesting reply……… your first sentence is an eye-opener.

  • Yinzer

    Markey is no Coakley. Brown is toast. He only won last time because he snuck in under the radar – that’s not going to happen again.

  • carsrus

    Well, the Communistwealth elected end re-elected the “KILLER” Kennedy, so now they have this forked tongued LIAR as their Senator! May they enjoy the tumult she will cause in the next 6 “annus horribilis” up in that left wing state!

    • docb

      Coakley was a terrible candidate..Markey is not.. Brown has reverted to type..Repub snippy nasty!

      Warren is the ultimate revenge for the Wall Street corporate owners CEO obdurate males!

    • WhutHeSaid

      Say, isn’t this the same ‘Communistwealth’ that you slack-jawed, beer-fartin’, sister-humpin’ rednecks suck up all the tax dollars from? Why don’t you redneck bigots get a job, and stop forcing the liberal states to carry your weight?

      • latebloomingrandma

        LOL. I’ve been told in this forum by a redneck that I am on the dole because one-sixth of my income is a Social Security check. I do not, however, spend any time on a barstool solving the problems of the country.

        • idamag

          late, I also get SS. I paid into it from age 18 to 68.

      • old_blu

        Hahaha, now that thar is some funny redneck “stuff”.

        And absolutely right, the red states take more than they pay in, and the blue states pay in more than they take out.

        (stuff is a quote from VP Biden)

      • idamag

        Whut, I think you said it. Redneck bigots.

    • idamag

      Carsus, his error is between him and his God. His folly was to drive drunk on a hazardous road. He had to live with the results all his life. We can thank him for Medicare.

  • nobsartist

    I find it funny that 4 years ago this brown jackass went to DC in his pickup truck and didnt own a suit. Now, 4 years later, he has a closet full of new suits and has no idea what happened to the pickup truck.

    What a parasitic jive ass.

    What did he accomplish over the last 4 years for the US at a cost of well over 1/2 of a million dollars?

    • lana ward

      What has Omuslim accomplished the past 4 years. 16+ trillion in debt. Half the country on food stamps. Half the country out of work. Turning Americans against Americans. Our triple A rating down to AA-. The muslim brotherhood taking over the WH, and on and on. What has he done that’s good??

      • WhutHeSaid

        He’s caused Godless bigots like you to become apoplectic with ineffectual racist hate. Whenever racist bigots are squealing with dismay, all is right with the world.

        • lana ward

          It’s the dems that are Godless or aren’t you paying attention. What has Omuslim done in 4 years to better the country?

          • old_blu

            Okay I’ll bite……….You tell me who “Omuslim” is and I tell you what he has or hasn’t done. (i have google)

          • lana ward

            You know who Omuslim is and he has let the muslim brotherhood infiltrate our Government. They are working with Omuslim

          • old_blu

            When you tell me I can tell you. I’ll wait ‘whistle, whistle, tap, tap’

          • neeceoooo

            old, I cannot believe you will attempt to discuss anything with lana the bigot. She exasperates me because she believes some of the most outlandish garbage and spews it like it was the air we breath.

          • old_blu

            You’re absolutely right, but sometimes it’s slow here at work and I get bored easy. LOL

          • idamag

            Neeceooo and Old-Blu, she is polution to democracy.

          • lana ward

            I don’t agree one bit with what you believe in politics, but there is a site you might like. Discover the Networks–it names EVERYONE on the left and what they believe. Very interesting. Look up Frank Marshall Davis-Omuslims’ real father

          • old_blu

            OMG! You have no idea how grateful I am that you “don’t agree one bit with what I believe in politics”. Thank you, Thank you.

          • neeceoooo

            we could all be so lucky to be told by lana they she does not agree with our politics

          • lana ward

            Have you read the 1972 newspaper article by Valerie Jarretts’ father-in-law that reveals the start of muslim purchase of US presidency?

          • idamag

            lana, you know that hateful whackjobs can find anything to back up their insanity.

          • lana ward

            The muslims purchased the Presidency. They bought Omuslim, payed his way through schooling(the Saudi Prince) that’s how he came out of nowhere. Voter fraud and believable lies got him elected. He’s there to turn America into a muslim country. Why won’t he release any of his records? Why has he pay MILLIONS to keep them sealed???

          • idamag

            Get thee behind me, Satan.

          • lana ward

            I wish satan would get behind you–right now SATAN is in the WH

          • lana ward

            I know, and that’s just what you’ve done you hateful whackjob

          • lana ward

            Arif Alikhan, Mohammed Elibiary, Rashad Hussain, Salam al Marayati, Imam Mohamed Magid, and Eboo Patel are all in the muslim brotherhood and they all work for Omuslim (Obama)

          • old_blu

            You know, as much as we have talked back and forth you would think you would know by know I’m not racist I don’t care what religion anyone is not even you.

          • lana ward

            You don’t care there are terrorists working in our Government? I’m really suprised!!

          • old_blu

            You didn’t say terrorist you said Muslim, and that is just another religion. I won’t judge someone by what God they believe in, and you can’t make me.

            And just because their Muslim does not make them terrorist.

          • lana ward

            The muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organization. They are in the WH. Do you approve of them being in the WH?

          • neeceoooo

            You are wrong, the Muslims are a religion not a terrorist group. How don’t care how you slice it, you will never convince us that just because someone is Muslim, they are terrorists.

          • lana ward

            I wish I was wrong for America’s sake. The muslim brotherhood is a terrorist group and they’re in the WH working for our President

          • idamag

            You are one of the biggest dangers to our government.

          • lana ward

            Do you approve of the terrorist muslim brotherhood working for princess Omuslim?

          • lana ward

            Thank you!! You DON’T KNOW how much I’d LOVE to be a danger to this government!!

          • lana ward

            I’m a danger and the terrorists in the WH aren’t?–your a communist

          • idamag

            Old-blu, I am so grateful she is not relative of mine. I would be so ashamed.

          • Del WS

            What’s amazing to me is that you even come to this site. It has to be just to agitate because your other preferences in sites lean deeply toward radical right and severe bending of facts.

          • lana ward

            Have you read the 1972 newspaper article by Valerie Jarretts’ father-in-law that reveals the start of muslim purchase of the US Presidency???

          • DukeDacat

            Anna, get lost, you Faux Noise TROLL………………

            Anna, get lost, you Faux Noise TROLL………………

          • lana ward

            Don’t like your little bubble burst about Omuslim? He’s a liar and has had half of America fooled. That’s about to come to an end–the truth will prevail!!

          • dtgraham

            Not yet. I’ll have to look that up Lana. I did see the World Net Daily story though on how Obama plans to change the national anthem from the Star Spangled Banner to “Sometimes when we touch” in 2013.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Ok – I must admit, that was funny!

          • latebloomingrandma

            You mean that old guy in Hawaii his grandfather took him to meet, so he would know a colored man? Wow! Talk about conspiracies.

          • lana ward

            Omuslim has had plastic surgery, but he still looks like Frank Marshall Davis. The spots on his cheeks and all

          • metrognome3830

            Lana, there are hundreds of bigoted, right-wing web sites out there that I’m sure you would like much more than National Memo. I encourage you to stay with them. You’ll find much more support and encouragement there. There are people there that will make you sound like a liberal, Lana. You would just love it.

          • lana ward

            It’s the dems that are racists and bigots. The black dems are the worst of all (especially when it comes to black Republicans)

          • dtgraham

            You had me at ‘Twitchy’.

        • idamag

          Whut, according to some of the garbage lana has put out there, I believe she is either the anti-Christ or an ardent follower.

          • WhutHeSaid

            She certainly does Satan proud — no doubt about it. I’m betting that old Beelzebub has set aside her very own corner of Hell in recognition of her evil work. How she can mutter the word ‘God’ without exploding into flame is beyond me.

      • latebloomingrandma

        A 7.8% unemployment rate is hardly half the country. Again I ask, who the heck is Omuslim???

        • lana ward

          It’s close enough. What has he done to better the country???

          • neeceoooo

            We are not going to even bother to try and explain what great things he has done for this country, because you have your eyes so closed to the reality, it would do us no good. Your mind is so narrow that there is no room for reality.

          • idamag

            Neeceoo, besides she is so immature and stupid if you present her with viable facts, she will hold her hands over her ears and shout, “Nya, nya, nya.”

          • Inthenameofliberty

            My mind is open – please enlighten me as to the great things you truly believe that Mr Obama has done for our country.

            I am being serious.

            I have been keeping a score card and here is what I see:

            1. Said he would limit lobbyists.
            2. Claimed he would lead the way to a balanced budget.
            3. Proclaimed there would be transparency in government.
            4. Said that unlimited detention of American citizens was unconstitutional.
            5. Said he would never institute gun control laws.
            6. Promised to label GMO foods.
            7. Promised to NEVER raise taxes on the middle class.
            8. Said for days that the attack on Benghazi was a ‘demonstration’. [When those at the top already knew this was not the case].
            9. Claimed multiple times at the debates that Romney was lying. [When fact checkers on both sides have proven they both ‘stretched the truth’ (LIED) about many, many points. Problem is, the American public is not educated enough to discover the truth on their own.]
            10. I am tired. Too tired to go on.

            Oh, and by the way, 1 through 9 ——- LIAR. He is a LIAR like most of the politicians that we are all so STUPID enough to elect.

            What I am most tired of is people like yourself giving your leader a free pass on all his mistakes when you would have crucified Bush.

            I will stay on my high horse and contend that you are a bunch of hypocrites that have little means to realize just how hypocritical you really are.

            We need a new political party. Democrats and Republicans have been screwing up for so long that they should be FIRED.

          • old_blu

            Lets see how open minded you really are.

            1. Passed Health Care Reform
            2. Passed the Stimulus
            3. Passed Wall Street Reform
            4. Ended the War in Iraq
            5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan
            6. Eliminated Osama bin laden
            7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry
            8. Recapitalized Banks
            9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
            10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi

          • Inthenameofliberty

            You bring up some interesting points. I will not give into my knee-gut reactions….

            1. Health Care Reform – more Americans did not want it than wanted it. I truly believe it will cause great problems in our country. Most things that the Government touches become corrupt. I am praying that the health care reform is a good thing. I am reserving judgment until next year. BUT – I find it disturbing that we ‘HAD TO PASS THE BILL IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT WAS IN IT’.
            2. The Stimulus – I am not sure what to say about it. It certainly did not have the intended effect. But people can argue that things would have been much worse without it. My biggest negative against the stimulus – it is fake money printed by the Fed. The money doesn’t really exist in the first place if you don’t have the gold to back it up. How do we print money out of thin air? I am being serious – HOW?
            3. Wall Street Reform – well, I need to give anyone props that keeps Wall Street under control. Especially because it is known that most of the trades taking place are being done by computers now. I don’t understand how Wall Street even exists, except in Fairy Land.
            4. Ended the War in Iraq. That was supposed to happen. Yes. A promise kept. You do have a point.
            5. Drawdown of War in Afghanistan…….by 2014. If it happens then I will be thrilled.
            6. Eliminated Bin Laden. Hmmmm….Obama happened to be the President of the US when the Seals went in to get Bin Laden. But Obama was not the one who put his life on the line…he did not obtain the intel that led to Bin Laden’s death……. Obama did not pull the trigger…………Why do you think that was OBAMA’s accomplishment? That was the accomplishment of our MILITARY. And not the President of the time. But I suppose you will disagree. Let’s agree to disagree, shall we? [ Believe me, I would have given no credit to Bush if Bush happened to be president when Bin Laden was found].
            7. Turned around the US Auto industry. Ok. Ok. Here is what I do not understand. How come 1000’s of small USA businesses were permitted to go bankrupt and FAIL and 100,000’s of jobs were lost in the process……YET, GM was not permitted to go bankrupt? Why, exactly, was GM too big to fail? Why, exactly, were WE THE PEOPLE forced to foot the bill (read the internet – that loan has not yet been paid off – not yet) to save GM? I am just asking what made GM so much more important than the 1000’s of small businesses that were forced to go under? How come nobody saved THEM? I really, really, want to know – why? I need to be educated on the matter, because from where I sit, there were (and still are) other USA car makers that survived on loans, and not bailouts, during the same time period. Why is it fair that GM was bailed out and other businesses went under? Inquiring minds like mine want to know how that was fair to the small businesses and those that lost their jobs in the process?
            8. Recapitalized Banks. I don’t understand banking. But I do understand that the large banks have been given unfair advantages over small banks that makes it much easier for the big banks to do well. Ok – who decides this and why is this ok to do? I found this information on multiple sites on the internet (NOT Fox news, before you go accusing me of getting information from them). But I also read it has always been that way, so what do I know? Not enough, obviously.
            9. Repealed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell – yep – and congrats on that one. One I can get actually get behind!!!!!
            10. Toppled Gaddafi – Ok – but the more I read about Libya in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s [sources being writers in OTHER countries and not the US media] and so on, the more confused I become. We, the American people, are not being told the whole truth. But I will agree that Gaddafi was a bad person that needed to go. BUT – why did he have to be executed? Why do we celebrate his death? I am just asking. Makes us looks like sons-of-bitches that we celebrate his execution. Ron Paul made the comment that Nazi war criminals were tried in courts for their crimes – executions are kind of a step back in a civilized society. Just saying………

            Also, take into consideration that I was a firm Obama supporter in 2008.
            Past tense.

          • DukeDacat

            YOU LEFT OUT….WON 2nd TERM!!!!!!

          • idamag

            Don’t forget, he restored Pell Grants and took student loans out of the hands of the banks who were charging too much interest.

          • neeceoooo

            So there, I am tagging onto old_blu. You need to go find a tea bagger blog to discuss your concerns with them.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            With people like yourself supporting the Democratic party..well..guess they have nothing to worry about. You are just so sweet. Hypocritical – but you are just so sweet. You make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

            See my reply to old_blu.

            You make me feel like our country is doomed. You see things one-sided. Oh well, have a nice life.

          • idamag

            Before you attack Neeceoo, I have seen her put some pretty good research out on healthcare. I think she is familiar with insurance companies.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Let me apologize if it seemed like I was attacking her. I took exception to her comment that Obama had ‘done great things for our country’. I guess the problem is with me. I really, really detest being lied to. And I find it hypocritical that people will look past the lies just because they are grasping onto the one thing they find to be positive. I, too, have a lot of knowledge of health care. More than I ever wanted to know. Directly from family members in the health care industry. I am very thankful that I did not choose that path.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Some of us are actually open-minded and choose to view *all* sides of an issue. That’s something that won’t happen if you simply read sites that already agree with you. Open your mind and expand your thinking.

          • AdamMos

            This is the president who delivered the security of affordable health care to every single American after 90 years of trying. This is the president who brought Osama bin Laden to justice, who ended the war in Iraq and is ending the war in Afghanistan. This is the president who ended “don’t ask, don’t tell” so that love of country, not love of another, determines fitness for military service. Who made equal pay for equal work the law of the land. This is the president who saved the American auto industry from extinction, the American financial industry from self-destruction, and the American economy from depression. Who added over 5 million private sector jobs in the last two-plus years, more jobs than George W. Bush added in eight.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            I have a rather lengthy response to old_blu elsewhere on this site. He wrote something quite similar to what you have presented. I don’t think that others would approve of me reposting that response to you. They did not like what I had to say.
            You do have some good points – the end of ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ and the Wars we can agree on. The others…….I could have a debate for hours.

          • old_blu

            I didn’t dislike what you said a lot of it is worth a read and at least to think about, in fact I think if it was just you and me on opposite sides of the isle we could get something done, from the way you talk I think we would both make consession and get things done really.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Sir – I have found another calm mind in the sea of craziness we live in. Perhaps there is hope for us after all, yes???!!!

          • old_blu

            Absolutely! I hope.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            And thank you very much. I know I get a little carried away when my fingers start typing. I am so frustrated at our current stalemates in Washington…….

          • SpaceVegetable

            He saved the *unions* not the auto industry.

        • idamag

          late, she is an ugly person who is dragging down our country with their racism and hate. She has also had her hand out to the government, she hates, in the past.

      • thebunt

        He is trying to bring the USA up to the rest of the world in health care. Fifty years from now he will be remembered for Obamacare and we will have forgotten he was the first black president

        • lana ward

          He will be remembered for the failed Obamacare that not one Republican voted for. It’s ALL his

          • neeceoooo

            He will be remember for his obamacare and praised!!!!

          • Inthenameofliberty

            I can only hope that will be true. Remains to be seen, doesn’t it? I will be the first to eat crow if our health care system is solvent and thriving 10 years from now.

      • thebunt

        Fifty years from now the school kids will be learning that President Obama was the FIRST president to try to bring the USA up to the rest of the world in health care. We will have forgotten that he is the first black president. Obamacare is the greatest achievment of any president for decades.

        • lana ward

          Obamacare is the biggest failure of any President. Look how well it’s working everywhere else. It isn’t!!!

          • DukeDacat

            Anna, get lost, you Faux Noise TROLL………………

          • idamag

            Most of it has not been put in place, yet, you unAmerican, unChristian liar.

          • lana ward

            That’s the real scary part, most of it has not been put in place yet, you person of the Godless party

          • WhutHeSaid

            I’m sure that your father (Satan) has a express lane that goes straight to Hell all ready for you. Sort of like the Bullet Train, but faster and with asbestos seats.

          • lana ward

            Do you approve of Obama having the terrorists muslim brotherhood working in the WH? Check it out before you prove to me you are “educated”

        • Inthenameofliberty

          The USA has (had?) the best healthcare in the world.
          I will reserve my judgement for 4 years.
          Those I know who are in the healthcare industry tell me that we are now in serious trouble because of the new mandates.
          Time will tell. Believe me, I want our healthcare to continue to be the best in the world.
          But if it is not……If he has destroyed it…..then there will be hell to pay. And you and I will be the ones paying it…not him.

          And I know NO ONE who cares about Obama’s skin color except the Democrats who keep bringing it up.

          Maybe I lead a sheltered life surrounded by people who are not bigots……but the white folk that I know [that did not vote for Obama this time around] do no give a rat’s ass about his skin color.

          • neeceoooo

            The USA does not have the best healthcare and has not for many years. Every president for the last 30 years has tried to fix it but Obama was the only one to really make an efford to do something. We will do our best so in the future we will have the best healthcare, but it will take time. I have been in healthcare for over 30 years and it is about time someone tried to fix it and I am looking forward to the changes.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            So which country has the better health care? I read time and time again of world leaders who travel to the US to see specialists. Why don’t they stay in their own countries, then?

          • latebloomingrandma

            Sure, world leaders like Saudi sheiks come here. They have $$ to pay out of pocket! You have money, you get excellent care her. No money–just get patched up and discharged.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Well, I suppose then that I have been very fortunate. My parents worked their butts off so my dad’s cancer treatments were covered and we all had health care coverage when I was growing up. Same goes for my family now – we are very fortunate to have employment and work very hard at what we do. And we pay very high prices now for the health care coverage that we have. And each year the prices go up.
            This issue is too complex.
            I was not referring to Saudi Sheiks paying out of pocket. What I was trying to say is that they would stay in their own country and use their own specialists if their health care was so much better than ours.
            I suppose that is too general of a comment. I am referring to specialists. When I go back and read the posts, it appears that most are referring to general health care, or family doctor care, not specialists. My mistake.

          • SpaceVegetable

            I agree. We have some of the best specialists here and are doing some of the most advanced research. I count myself fortunate to be in a career that makes me decent money and allows me to buy good insurance that will cover my needs. Obamacare, though, is increasing my costs a great deal and is threatening the quality of the coverage I have, and that makes me nervous. I’m willing to pay a bit more to cover my heavier usage of health care, but I do not want restrictions on my access or choices.

          • idamag

            So your parents were lucky enough to have an employer who provided medican coverage. My dad was a contractor. He did not when he had cancer. And, to him, hard work was a virtue.

          • AdamMos

            Most of the nations in Europe have much better health care systems if you are judging by outcomes and accessibilty to the poor. Isreal may have the best health care system in the world. I live in the SW and thousands of people go to Mexico to get healthcare because they provide the same services at a fraction of the cost. The US has not had the best healthcare system in decades. Obamacare appears to be a step in the right direction. Medicare which truly is Govt run healthcare is extremely popular and efficient. Hopefully the republicans do not destroy it like other govt programs. I believe everyone should have access to health care not just the rich.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Then I remain hopeful you are correct.

          • AdamMos

            For everyones sake, me too. Thx

          • old_blu

            Me too.

          • idamag

            When I wintered in Yuma, Arizona, there were plenty of people who went to Mexico for healthcare.

          • SpaceVegetable

            A lot of that kind of thing is due to more relaxed regulations and faster approval of treatments than we have here in theUS.

          • idamag

            space, no. I knew them personally. It was cost.

          • idamag

            Adam, the way to judge a country’s health care is to check cure rates and deaths per capita.

          • WhutHeSaid

            The World Health Organization published a report in 2000 ranking the health care systems of 191 countries. The United States was ranked 38th, but the cost of US health care was ranked 1st (the highest in the world).

            Some countries who had better-ranked health care: France, Italy, Spain, Austria, Japan, Norway, Portugal, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Switzerland, Colombia, Sweden, Germany, Israel, Canada, Finland, Australia, Argentina, Denmark.

            It’s bad enough that we have the serious health care problems that we do. It’s totally ridiculous that we have so many liars who deny the facts even though the entire world knows better. What do you hope to accomplish by lying?

          • SpaceVegetable

            Most of those nations have much higher taxes and much smaller and more homogenous populations. They also have longer waiting periods and rationing of health care. That may not be a big deal to those of you who are currently healthy, but those of us with ongoing medical issues have a lot of concerns.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Sounds like the old ‘this-is-the-way-it-is-and-if-it-isnt-then-its-this’ argument. The assertion was that the US has the best health care in the world. It doesn’t — FAR from it.

          • idamag

            Inthename, I didn’t have to read about it. I know people who have travelled to other countries for health care. Yes, during the healthcare debate, antis cited some people that turned out to be people seeking cosmetic surgery which is not a priority in Canada. If they can afford cosmetic surgery more power to them. If a not-so-cushy-person needs health care for a child with leukemia, then that is health care. Cosmetic surgery is not health care. You don’t die from saggy jowels.

          • old_blu

            “You don’t die from saggy jowels.” Whew. *wipes brow*

          • dtgraham

            LOL. Good one.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Well, I suppose I have it stuck in my head that individuals that needed certain heart surgeries, conjoined twins that need to be separated….. years of my growing up of watching those individuals fly to the US or US doctors fly there for those things…..I think of that. Probably because that was so publicized at the time – it was big news. I suppose that was then and this is now. I was not referring to cosmetic sx.

            One other thought – why do you so many children age 1-15 die from cancer? It is listed on some websites as the leading cause, other websites as the second most common cause, of death.

            Any takers on that one?

            Maybe we are trying to fix the wrong problem. Why are we curing people AFTER they have disease?

            What (AND WHO) are the reasons for the diseases in the first place?

            Our health care system is being overtaxed by diabetics, cancers, and so many things that were not prevalent 80 years ago.

            Does anybody ever stop to wonder WHY all of a sudden our nation is as sick as it is. I am just pointing out that perhaps what needs to be fixed is something much bigger than just the health care system.

          • idamag

            Names, dates, and places, please.

          • dtgraham

            True. Your standard, elective, nose or eyelid job for vanity’s sake is not covered by Canadian health care. However, if you’ve been disfigured in some way in an accident and need work to restore your appearance, then that type of cosmetic reconstructive surgery is fully covered.

          • idamag

            dtg, my keyword is cosmetic surgery, not reconstructive surgery.

          • idamag

            in the name, when my doctor was diagnosed with cancer, he went to Japan.

          • idamag

            I remember a panel on public television where people, who had worked for the insurance industry, testified that they were given bonuses for denying claims. I knew a couple who could not live the American dream because all their money went to pay for a sick child who was born with a condition. I knew a woman who had worked all her life and at 70 had painful arthritus. She could not afford medicine. I knew another couple whose child had leukemia and their insurance had a cap. When that cap was reached there was not more insurance payments. There was a man in my community who needed a liver transplant. Before they would look for a donor, he had to have $10,000 up front. The community was holding fund raising for him. He died. He had four little children.

            Whenever I hear of a celebrity who is bragging because they beat cancer, I think, “At least you had the money and the resources to fine the best care available.”

            We have become such a selfish nation we don’t care about others.

            The ACA did not go quite far enough. Healthcare should not be a status thing.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            And it sad stories like what you have written that lead me to originally write ‘ I am reserving judgement’. An overhaul of health care would have gone much better if the people behind it had not generated an almost 1000 paged report and then given our elected leaders less than 24 hours to review it before they had to vote on it.

            Gee, that shouldn’t have caused any waves….right?

          • old_blu

            Hell our leaders do everything in 24 hours look at new years eve and wait for it the debt ceiling they’ll do that in 24 hours too. (that’s by their choice cuz they’re lazy SOBs.)

          • Inthenameofliberty

            hhhhmmmmm – definitely some truth to that statement, eh?

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Here is my second response:

            I was just watching a Fox news feed sent by a friend on Facebbok (I know, I know, you hate Fox news) where the Republican Senator Lee of Utah claims they were given 6 MINUTES to look at the Fiscal Cliff Bill before they needed to vote on it. He claims that ‘ not one Senator who voted ‘Yes’ actually read the bill’.

            Well. I would LOVE for someone to tell me that he is lying to Fox News.

            Is THIS the kind of leadership that we need? That we want?

            No wonder I am an ignoramous, ranting on this site time and time again. What a farce. The whole friggin’ thing is ridiculous. THIS is my problem with our government. Do nothing, then ram legislation through.

            But, I suppose that this is just another shining example of ‘WE HAVE TO PASS THE BILL IN ORDER TO FIND OUT WHAT’S IN IT’……..right??????

            How in the world can you fault any politician for voting ‘ NO’ in this farce of a vote? What say you to all this?

            Are you going to try and tell me that he was lying?

          • neeceoooo

            When you start spouting Fox news, you leave us all out so keep those comments to yourself.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            You know, I do actually take what you say into consideration and do not ignore what you say just ‘off the cuff’.

            You are a closed minded person and an example of why this country is going to shit. Congrats.

            I am well aware that many reporters on Fox News are biased against Obama. That is not fair reporting. On the same token, many of the other news channels have not said one bad word against the man. How ironic that I don’t see you complaining about that.

            I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. But since you shut down when you don’t like the source of news reporting, I can’t understand you. For years and years the main stream media has not reported the whole truth. Do you think the Senator lied because the reporter was from Fox News? I, for one, am so tired of unjust and staged news reporting that I am awaiting some station to come to the forefront. When the main backers of the other news stations stop having intimate political allies, maybe that will happen.

          • idamag

            In the name, closed minded? Pot/kettle.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Hey! You made me laugh!

          • old_blu

            There is something you forgot on this, they have had a year to work on that fiscal cliff bill and they chose (again) to wait until the last minute, then they will bitch because what they want is not on it, maybe they should have started on it sooner, then they could have got more on it they waited till the last six minutes everyone else was there. (they are lazy jack asses and you know it)

            They just like holding the American people hostage.

            Edit: You just wait for the debt limit to come I bet they wait till the last six minutes on that too, they could be working on it now, but they aren’t.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            ‘They’ – by that do you mean all of them? Or are there certain individuals only that fall into this category?

          • old_blu

            I’m thinking that “they” are more of the tea partiers I think the true Republicans would be able to work with everyone else, but there are not many of them left sad to say.

            The Democrats don’t seem to work real hard either. I think both sides main goal is to piss the other side off, and one up each other.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            You are probably correct!! Do you think that if there was a 1-term limit on them, they could actually get something done?????

          • old_blu

            I’m all for term limits, I don’t know if it would help or not, I even voted for them once but I guess I was the only one that wanted them.

          • idamag

            Try watching C-span.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Thank you for that suggestion.

          • idamag

            Whoa, in the name, all of us has seen what has been happening. Rather than vote on it, they took a holiday and then they took another holiday. That bill was out there and if you would watch a real news channel, you would know that Boehner refused to bring it to the table all that time.

          • SpaceVegetable

            ida, some of us get our news from multiple sources, not just those that agree with out piont of view.

          • idamag

            I watched the healthcare debate on C-span. The teabaggers closed their ears and refused to read the bill. If it isn’t perfect (and it isn’t) at least it was a start.

          • neeceoooo

            Very good, it took Mr Boner to agree only 24 hours.

          • neeceoooo

            You know as well as I do that the republicans would have thrown the whole thing out without even reading one page of the 1000 pages.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Not necessarily. I would have felt a whole lot better if our elected leaders could have gone through it. There are things in there that I don’t trust, that have no business being in there. It almost seems to me that you are saying that ‘ the ends justify the means’. Meaning, as long as Obamacare was passed, it does not matter how it was done. It was rammed down our throats.
            We’ll see what it means. Only time will tell.

          • SpaceVegetable

            WHat is your proof of this statement?

          • metrognome3830

            We still have the best health care in the world. But a large number of the population cannot afford it. I believe you may have let the cat out of the clear plastic bag when you said, “Maybe I lead a sheltered life. . . ” Some of those “white folks” you know are probably bigots, but they have convinced themselves they are not. I will give you the benefit of a doubt, but your use of the term “white folks” makes me wonder if you are really impartial. But I do commend you for reserving your judgment for 4 years. That’s a far better chance than many will give it. Good for you for wanting our health care to continue to be the best in the world, but wouldn’t it be better if everyone had access to it? I believe that if people are excluded, it sort of takes away from it being the best.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Ok, I did not include the ‘black folks’ because how can they be bigots towards Obama? There seems to be this generalization on this site that all white people dislike Obama only because he is black. And not for any other reason.
            I can not understand this misconception. I can not understand it because where I live people are taught to accept people not by race, not by color, not by country of origin, but rather to judge a person by who they are.
            I was taught that everyone is equal. The melting pot where I live is a thriving community of integration. But that is how I see it. Are there closet bigots? There have to be – bragging about that would be really, really frowned upon.
            There is no ‘cat out of the bag’. How can I be a bigot when I voted for the man in 2008? I believed in his ‘hope and change’. What I didn’t see coming was that he was going to let me down the way most of the others have done.

            It’s a lot easier to say what you’ll do when you are on the campaign trail, it seems, then to actually do it. Still, he didn’t have to break THAT many campaign promises, did he?

          • SpaceVegetable

            You are so very right. It puzzles me, since 95%+ of black people voted for Obama and that isn’t considered racist. Yet, if it were 95% of white people voting for Romney, it would be. Democrats seem to only consider it “tolerance” when you agree with them. Look at how poorly black Republicans are treated, even by their own people. Why do you think the media was so awful to Herman Cain? He would have eliminated the Democrat ability to use the race card, had he won the nomination. And I won’t even go into the hate spewed by other people of color against black Republicans.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Bullshit. Hermann Cain was ridiculed because he was a moron. 9-9-9 might be good for pizza parlors (even that is debatable), but it is idiotic for a national economic plan. Not to mention all of the women who came out to tell about his, um, ‘indiscretions’. Having a token black or black idiot doesn’t exempt racists from being called racists, and the vast majority of 10 year old children could tell you this instinctively.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Who are you trying to fool? The USA does NOT have the best healthcare system in the world — just the most expensive. With so many people unable to afford even basic health care, one could argue that it’s not much of a system at all.

            Your next statement underscores the fact that you are a habitual liar. Nobody — and I mean NOBODY — can truthfully say that they don’t know of any bigots who hate Obama because of his skin color. You could have gotten away with the lie that YOU don’t care about his skin color, but you lost your chance by trying to pass off a monumental, obvious, and stupid whopper. We all know better.

          • SpaceVegetable

            You are correct.I actually voted for Obama in 2008. I did not vote for him this time because he did not live up to his hype and has broken all his campaign promises and has instead made war on those who are successful. He’s the Great Divider, no matter what color he is.

            I always find it funny that the Democrats keep playing the race card when the KKK was actually an outgrowth of the Democrtatic Party. Also, it was Democrats who opposed Civil Rights legislation back in the 60’s. MLK was a Republican :-)

          • idamag

            Space, you are right that most KKK people were Democrats until Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Now, they are Republicans.

          • idamag

            inthename, you are either isolated or lying. I have seen many posts that are racist. How about the one who said Obama spoke in ebonics or the one who said he hated politically correct. Even way out here in the backwoods, we have had nasty racist flyers put on cars. I have heard people, here, use the words coon and jigaboo.

      • Del WS

        This comment is so ignorant I almost want to cry for you for having made it.

        • Sand_Cat

          It’s far easier to laugh!

        • lana ward

          Quit crying and tell me what Omuslim has done to help my country? One thing

      • Lovefacts

        Lana, as usual I’m appalled by your comments. I’m not sure which is worse, your ignorance or bigotry. As for your name calling, I’m reminded of what my father always said; those that resort to name calling have lost the argument because they don’t have the facts on their side.

        • idamag

          Love, your father was right.

        • lana ward

          His name is Omuslim or Barry Sotoro or Barack Davis or Barack Obama, take your pick!! What has he done in 4 years to help my country?

          • idamag

            This is not your country. Your comments are very unAmerican and unChristian. Go get some professional help.

          • lana ward

            Go back to school, you didn’t get your moneys worth

          • idamag

            lana, like I said, I never had to go on welfare so I think I got my money’s worth.

          • lana ward

            You needed a class in etiquette

          • idamag

            Lana, had that. The culture I was born into believes that lies and ugly is rude, crude and blued.

          • lana ward

            Well you can’t be a muslim then at least. They believe you are to lie to the infidel–that’s how omuslim got so good at it. Do you approve of terrorists working in our WH?

          • DukeDacat

            Anna, get lost, you Faux Noise TROLL………………

          • neeceoooo

            And your name is shithead, dipwad, dumbass, take your pick.

          • lana ward

            Those are his names. Why are you mad at me? You should be mad at the liar Omuslim

          • ChuckPotrazebie

            Gee, LOVEFACTS in this thread stated that “those that resort to name calling have lost the argument because they don’t have the facts on their side.”
            Looks like NEECEOOOO is a living representation of that statement. Thanks for making lovefacts point!

          • AdamMos

            This is the president who delivered the security of affordable health care to every single American after 90 years of trying. This is the president who brought Osama bin Laden to justice, who ended the war in Iraq and is ending the war in Afghanistan. This is the president who ended “don’t ask, don’t tell” so that love of country, not love of another, determines fitness for military service. Who made equal pay for equal work the law of the land. This is the president who saved the American auto industry from extinction, the American financial industry from self-destruction, and the American economy from depression. Who added over 5 million private sector jobs in the last two-plus years, more jobs than George W. Bush added in eight.

          • lana ward

            Obamacare (and other of his Anti-American policies) are going to take us under. Have you seen other countries with what is Obamacare? It doesn’t work. What makes you think it will work here?

          • AdamMos

            Actually we are the only industrialized nation that does not have universal health care. Other countries have govt run healthcare (very popular in Europe and Isreal) like medicare for all of their citizens. Perhaps Obamacare does not go far enough since all of the healthcare in Obamacare is still provided by for profit insurance companies. The current system prior to Obamacare which is “hope you die quickly” if you are poor or middle class sucks! How can you complian about a system that has not been implemented yet? I am taking a wait and see approach. I hope things work out for us.

          • SpaceVegetable

            They pay far higher taxes for that health care *and* don’t heap that responsibility on employers. Apples and oranges, dude.

          • neeceoooo

            I have been a huge cheer leader for the AHC that Obama has put in place but I could never have said it quite as good as you just did. Thank you

          • idamag

            How many countries have you visited without being in sheep herd situation by going with a controlled group?

          • lana ward

            People from all over come here for medical care. Now ours is just like theirs is.

          • idamag

            lana, “people” abstract word. Needs defining. Who? names?. “All over” abstract. From where, proof that they came. “Medical Care” what kinds of medical care. Yes, wealthy people from Saudi Arabia come here some times. Who else? Any country but a third world country?

          • lana ward

            I thought you wew educated. You haven’t heard of people coming here from countries with “obamacare” because they can’t get the help they need or are made to wait for the help they need? Hmmm. Well anyway they do. Now they’ll have to go somewhere else–our healthcare is becoming as bad as theirs is–thanks to princess omuslim

          • idamag

            lana,. what does wew mean? No, I haven’t heard of those things. Now, the meaning of abstract is that it is not concrete. It is just words without your proofs which you do not have. All you have is an upside down digestive system.

          • lana ward

            People have been on the news sayng they would have died waiting for treatment in their country (Canada) so they came here. Now people in America will die waiting for treatment or will be denied treatment altogether. Those death panels Sarah Palin talked about and was demonized for are coming true under obamacare. Oh, and at least I have a digestive system. You don’t, you are full of shit

          • idamag

            You are a danger to this country. You are so hateful and dumb. Now, again, you are talking in abstracts. Name the people, who are they? Which news, date and time? What illnesses?

          • lana ward

            You’re the one that’s a danger to this country!! You voted that “thing” 4 more years to finish destroying America. Watch and see–then you will believe! I asked you before, do you approve of the terrorists muslim brotherhood working from our WH??

          • lana ward

            If obamacare is so good, why don’t our polititians want or have it?? They want nothing to with it, its’ that good

          • WhutHeSaid

            The ACA is a set of laws — not a policy that you can sign up for. We ALL have ‘Obamacare’ — it’s the law.

          • lana ward

            Congress and princess omuslim are above the law

          • idamag

            Our politicians don’t need it. They are 100%
            covered from the time they take office until they die. All paid for by, we the taxpayer.

          • lana ward

            Our politicians won’t have it- it’s no good

          • WhutHeSaid

            People from the US go to Mexico for health care all the time. What do you have to say about THAT, Satan spawn?

          • lana ward

            People who go to mexico are never heard from again. Since obamacare is so good, why have all of congress refused it for their families??

          • idamag

            I know a lot of people who went to Mexico and returned. I bought my eyeglasses and had the examination there. For the most expensive lenses and frames and the examination, along with an extra pair of prescription sun glasses – I paid $175

          • lana ward

            Well good for you!! Why doesn’t congress and omuslim have obamacare

          • SpaceVegetable

            “Affordable”? Just wait until the costs start rolling in. The only was O-Bominable-Care is affordable is if you don’t actually use any health care. I’ve run the numbers and my own costs are going up by more than two thousand dollars a year, just for me. I have a chronic condition through no fault of my own and use my health care a lot more than most. I chose to be responsible and pay higher premiums to get a plan that covered my need and now I get the joys of being penalized because my coverage is considered “too good.” Because a few wealthy people might have good coverage, Obysmal somehow thinks it’s “unfair” for anyone to have such a plan. A lower-premium plan with deductibles saves you nothng if you’re going to have to pay the deductibles every year anyway. Not to mention it front loads a lot of expenses to the beginning of the year – a time when a lot of other bills come due.

            O-Bysmal-Care is a disaster and hits hardest those who are already paying the most. Raising taxes on medical devices and drug development, for example. WHo uses those things? Yep, those who are sick or injured. Lowering the caps on flexible spending accounts and raising the threshold for medical deductions? Yep, slam those nasty old sick people again. And the worst is the 40% excise tax on so-called “Cadillac” health plans. Note that none of this is indexed by zipcode, so if you live in a high-cost area (and these usually have higher health insurance premiums) you’re doubly screwed, since you already pay higher taxes (tax brackets aren’t indexed by zipcode, either).

          • WhutHeSaid

            Sick or injured people use drug research and development? I hadn’t heard of that.

            Look, we get it: You are a drooling bigot, and you hate the fact that we have a black President. Well, that’s too bad, you’ll just have to deal. You have to deal with the ACA as well — IT’S THE LAW.

            What part don’t you understand?

          • SpaceVegetable

            Excuse me? What, of anything I’ve said, makes me a bigot? This is what happens when you can’t argue the facts: accuse anyone who disagrees with the president of being a bigot. I *voted* for the man in 2008, moron.

            Sick and injured people use prescription drugs. Adding taxes to their development costs makes them more expensive, just like adding a 2.3% tax to medical devices makes them cost more. Those things, plus reductions in how much in medical expenses one can deduct, are going to hit those of us who require medical devices and prescriptions very hard. We’re the ones already paying the most and this so-called “Affordable” care act is not proving to be very affordable to us.

            I’ve run the numbers and this monstrosity is going to cost me several thousand dollars more per year than I’m already paying, just for myself alone. And that doesn’t even include increases in premiums, nor does it include the extra drug and medical device costs because those are as yet unknown. I already pay over $1200 per month in premiums and co-pays and that’s in years without any surgeries.

            You and others like you who blindly believe the pap being fed to you by the biased media are the problem. Though I’ve no doubt you’ll see the light once the taxes and bills start rolling in. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: The only way Obamacare is “affordable” is if you don’t actually use any healthcare or if you are one of Obama’s favored ones (like unions) who get to be exempt.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Sorry – I may have mistaken you for another poster, so I’ll withdraw the bigot part. But it won’t help you much, I’m afraid. I’ll still call you out for lying.

            Sick and injured people use prescriptions and medical devices, yes, but what do you have to say about the millions who cannot afford health insurance or are denied due to pre-existing conditions? Why should anyone care about your complaints when you don’t care about theirs? See how that works yet?

          • SpaceVegetable

            Who says I don’t care? Again, you deign to assign motives to someone you don’t even know. I never claimed the existing program was perfect, just that Obamacare was not a solution and will make things worse. Companies are already cutting hours and employees in order to avoid dealing with Obamacare and premiums are going to go up. I’ve done the calculations and know for a fact that my own costs will be going up a great deal.

            I’m not lying about anything. I have a preexisting condition and it was not hard at all to get health insurance. As long as you maintain some level of coverage, they can’t deny you. I feel no pity for those who skipped health insurance because they didn’t think they needed it. It’s like buying car insurance after an accident. That’s just not how it works.

            People need to actually have some skin in the game. The reason a lot of costs are so high us because so many with no insurance go to the ER with every little sniffle. What do they care, they’re not paying for it. There needs to be some sort of cost so this sort of waste can be removed. Not to mention, the layers and layers of red tape that suck up so much time and money.

            Obamacare heaps the most costs on those who are already paying the most. There’s nothing “affordable’ about that. The only ones who benefit are those who don’t have topay anything and those who never actually use any health care.

            Sorry, but my success is not to blame for anyone else’s lack thereof. The economy is not a fixed pie: one person getting more doesn’t mean that others have less. Obama is trying to blame those who produce the most and consume the least government services for all the problems when that’s simply not the case. I refuse to be blamed for someone else’s problems. I grew up poor and no one gave me any special benefits or opportunities. I had to overcome a disability, too, and yet I managed to work and study hard and now have a successful career. I refuse to let anyone take from me what I’ve earned. I have no pity for those who sit around and expect to have opportunity spoon-fed to them because mommy told them they’re “special.”

            The beauty of America has always been that *anyone* can become a success. You really think the people in the top 1% now are the same ones who were there last year or the year before or the year before… People move up and down all the time. Sure, there are a few super-rich, but most are people who have struggled and sacrificed. Were you aware that the top 1% has a lower limit of less than $400K in income? There are very few super-wealthy out there and a lot of them are guys like Warren Buffett, who are past retirement age and are now living off of their investments…. after many years of paying regular income tax rates. And there are a whole lot of other retired folks doing the same, even if their income levels are nowhere near Buffett.

            Obama has made it seem like anyone with investments is some sort of greedy crook, when in reality, it’s just regular folks trying to prepare for their retirements or for sending their kids to college or buying a house. Just because there are a few greedy crooks out there, doesn’t mean everyone should be tarred with the same brush. I suppose I’m wasting my breath trying to convince you socialist sorts, who don’t believe in equal opportunity but equal outcome. Just don’t come crying to me when you see your tax bill come April. I’ll just smile and say “I told you so.”

          • WhutHeSaid

            YOU said you don’t care by railing against the PPACA as if it were a collection of laws designed to punish everybody — especially the wealthy. You didn’t leave any room for anything to actually be useful in the law, which is a sure sign that your ‘analysis’ is bullshit.

            Some companies may be cutting hours to avoid the law, but they will eventually pay the price for doing so — one way or the other. I noticed that you didn’t chastise these companies for attempting to evade the purpose of health reform — why not?

            Why do you think so many people go to the ER in the first place? It’s primarily because they do not have health insurance, so they wait until their health reaches a crisis stage. This is EXACTLY one of the major issues the PPACA addresses by adding 32 million+ people to the health insurance pool. People who have health insurance tend to seek health care earlier when medical conditions are better able to be resolved easily — and with lower costs.

            EVERYBODY has ‘skin in the game’, nitwit — literally. Do you ever read how ridiculous your own arguments sound? Again I challenge you to post the details of your ‘analysis’ and tell us what you would do differently.

            I won’t come crying to you on April 15th — I promise. I know that my taxes will go up, and I expect that’s fair after decades of getting breaks that many people who are closer to hunger didn’t get. The difference between me and you here is that I remember that my success came from being lucky enough to be born in the richest country on Earth, with many people in society willing to contribute to society as a whole with the idea that all should get a chance. With some wits, hard work, and the availability of a decent education I was able to achieve success, but I’ll never be pompous enough to suggest (or believe) that I did it all by myself. Only liars and fools make such a claim.

            Obama has never demonized wealth of any kind. Feel free to post some quotes here to the contrary. Of course you can’t and he’s still black. Sorry ’bout your luck.

      • idamag

        lana, the dumbass with no pride raises her ugly head again. The discussion is about Brown seeking Kerry’s seat and the dumb (you understand dumb, don’t you?) remarks he makes about his potential opponent.

        • idamag

          BTW, you fit Whuthesaid’s description, above. If you are not a subversive, you are one of their dumg dupids.

        • lana ward

          Do you approve of the terrorist muslim brotherhood working in our WH?

          • neeceoooo

            You need to go find some tea bagger blog too and get off this site so we don’t have to listen to your garbage mouth.

          • lana ward

            Arif Alikhan, Mohammed Elibiary, Rashad Hussain, Salam al Marayati, Imam Mohamed Magid, and Eboo Patel–all part of the muslim brotherhood work for Obama-now that is garbage you didn’t vote for

          • Landsende

            Lana
            Back up your claims with reputable facts not vitriol and innuendo and maybe you might be taken more seriously instead of a close minded teathuglican .

          • lana ward

            Look it up yourself, venture out and open up your closed mind

          • Landsende

            Just as I thought. You don’t have any facts to back up your delusional ravings. If you did have facts you wouldn’t be afraid to say what they are. You might want to have your doctor change your antipsychotic medicine since it doesn’t seem to be working.

          • lana ward

            I found it, you can too-no wait, you can’t. Left loon sites won’t say anything bad about Omuslim, even tho it’s true. They never have, never will

          • idamag

            lana, the dumbass, no, I don’t feel stupid. I managed to get my education without help and have never been on welfare.

          • lana ward

            Public education? No wonder you can’t talk, dumbass

          • idamag

            neeceoo, I bet she is used to people not liking her. They probably didn’t like her in school and that is why she is so hateful. Nobody likes a liar.

          • idamag

            Have you seen a doctor about your delusions? You might be dangerous to society.

          • lana ward

            Go to your “school”–demand your money back!!

        • lana ward

          Don’t your posts embarrass your dumb ass?

  • dtgraham

    At least Elizabeth didn’t tear up. I see Boner was crying his eyes out again at the opening of the 113th.

    That Congress is an interesting dilemma. Unlike the Dems who work hard at normal, fair, political strategies like the ground game and getting out the vote; Republicans have had a long game going back decades now, focusing on the micro level and spreading out from there. They even use a lot of dark money and really dirty tactics to get Republican judges elected at the local level. I’m surprised they don’t try to get Republican dog catchers elected. The confluence of events in 2010 (census year/capturing of State governments) allowed them to speed up the process of gerrymandering U.S. Congressional districts in swing States so badly that it can easily take between 2 to 4 times as many votes to elect a Democrat as a Republican depending on where you live. They’ve crammed Democratic leaning voting groups into as few districts as possible while new, sparsely populated, Republican leaning districts popped up like weeds. I’ve heard projections that the GOP will control the House until the end of the decade no matter how they conduct themselves, and that could be true.

    I saw polls before the November 6th election showing the Republican led Congress having a 9% approval rating and another showing 65% of Americans having a negative opinion of the GOP. The results manifested themselves into at least one million more Americans voting Democratic than Republican in Congressional races. However, the electoral results of that? A Republican majority Congress.

    So, if you don’t want a Congress whose only concern seems to be: transvaginal ultrasounds, preventing relief to disaster victims, stopping Sharia law, eliminating the EPA, and defunding of Planned Parethood, then by all means vote Democrat…………..and end up with a boatload of Republicans who will do those things anyway whether you like it or not.

    No John, it’s the American public who should be sobbing uncontrollably—-not you.

    • idamag

      dt, the way Boehner’s tears up so easy, makes me wonder if he has a drinking problem.

      • old_blu

        Ya Think! LOL

      • dtgraham

        I used to think he should change his booze brand so didn’t come off looking like a little girl trapped in a man’s body all the time, but I guess it’s better than giggling like a Hyena during your speeches. It could be worse.

  • 426tt_64

    Brown is just another of the Koch-Teapublican SHEEP. Yes I have renamed the GOP’s Mascot, since they are lead by the nose and march to drum of the wealthy, SHEEP is the only animal that really fits anymore.

    • Sand_Cat

      Your comment errs seriously on the side of generosity.

      Maggots, feeding on others’ misfortunes and excrement, are only one example of the host of arthropods, parasitic worms, and disease-causing protozoa who would “fit” as GOP mascots.

      • 426tt_64

        Sand_Cat, I like your fits for the new GOP mascot, but if we get to rank we’ll be just like them. They surly need and deserve a new name, 30 years ago I was a Republican but the real GOP is long gone and most of them are rolling in their graves because of the damage that these new ones have done to the USA.

        • idamag

          426tt, and a party that tries to destroy one party and take over the other one is scary.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IV3KRK44N2ZBMVFZ4LNB75QJCU anna

    Who cares what Scott Brown thinks. The Banks who have robbed the people of shaking in
    their overdraft protection plan and over the limit credit card “BOOTS”. We need more
    women in Congress and the Senate, all these guys do is try to see who can flex their muscle. I guess Scott Brown see’s we have muscle too and he got his butt kicked!

    • idamag

      Anna, and when the sleezy bankers and credit card companies were robbing the public, it was she, who stepped in and fought for the consumer.

      • SpaceVegetable

        Right, like she helped those poor folks in that asbestos lawsuit? Like she helped all those struggling homeowners by speculating on real estate and flipping houses? I don’t know about you, but those credit card “reforms” caused all my interest rates to go up and credit limits to be cut, despite having a 6-figure income. My credit score dropped more than 100 points because of her and her stupidity.

        • idamag

          space, that’s strange. Mine didn’t.

        • WhutHeSaid

          If your credit score dropped 100 points it was due to your behavior — not hers. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

  • lana ward

    Warren- Another communist joins her crowd. The Senate is over run by the red rags

    • magic2114

      President Obama sometimes looks older when he tries to explain simple logic to knuckerheads like you. while at the same time protect your income and standard of living by getting taxes lowered, healthcare implemented, etc… What has he done for America? If you are too stupid to see his accomplishments all around you and in your house, why should I bother to explain more.

      • lana ward

        He looks like a different person all together. His accomplishments, 16+ trillion dollars in debt, half of Americans on food stamps, half of Americans out of work, other countries know we are now weak, our AAA rating is now -AA. He’s putting small businesses out of business, Obamacare will make the economy worse and more. Just what has he done in 4 years to help us?

        • Landsende

          Lana all presidents have aged during their presidency because of the tremendous responsibilities they have. And yes President Obama has looked like he’s aged in the last month since the Sandy Hook school shooting when twenty children and six adults were brutally slaughtered by a deranged gunman with automatic weapons. The President personally met with the families of the victims and the first responders and as he has stated the tragedy was the worst moment of his presidency. If it hadn’t affected him you would be bitching about that. He showed compassion and caring to the families of victims of Sandy Hook and to the victims of Hurricane Sandy which is part of being a good president and human being.

          The downgraded credit rating can be laid squarely on the teathuglicans who refused to do the job they were elected to do, representing all their constituents, not just corporate interests and billionaires like the Koch brothers and their shill Grover Norquist.

          Your exaggeration that half of Americans are on food stamps and half are out of work is ridiculous. If that were the case we would be in a recession instead of an economic recovery with the stock market at record levels, housing booming again, and unemployment down. Of course all it would take is for the teathuglicans to refuse to work to get a balanced budget and refuse to raise the debt ceiling and the credit rating will be lowered again and we will go into a recession which you would blame on the president and not on the do nothing disfunctional 112th congress.

          • lana ward

            He “wiped” away no tears.

          • bertye brown

            How long did it take you to complete
            high School? Better yet did you finish? Your post and logic are reminiscent of that of a 10 year old.

          • idamag

            Bertye, I don’t believe she finished high school. She probably got pregnant and went on welfare.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Obama had a Democratic majority in Congress for his first 2 years and still couldn’t pass a budget. I applaud the so-called “obstructionists” in Congress for actually representing the desires of those who elected them instead of kissing Obysmal’s feet.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I’m sorry I withdrew your title of ‘drooling bigot’. Anyone who calls Obama names like ‘Obysmal’ or ‘Omuslim’ is a bigot no matter how much they lie about it. You didn’t vote for Obama in 2008, so you can just quit lying now.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Enough now. Obviously SVeg is as disappointed in Obama as I am. But is more vocal about ridiculing him. That does not make SVeg a bigot. Makes her a name caller – like many on this site.
            Including you and me.

          • WhutHeSaid

            There is a difference in ‘being disappointed in Obama’ and attempting to denigrate his every trait or accomplishment. When a person has absolutely nothing good to say about another person and calls them disparaging names at every opportunity, it is clear that they have no respect for that person. If they go beyond that to fashion lies in an attempt to attack their character — especially with profuse and obvious falsehoods — then they have a personal hate for that person. If one has a personal hate for somebody that they don’t know personally, then the emotion necessarily arises from some personal bias. Unless the person with the bias has a plausible explanation for such, then common sense and experience must serve to identify the source.

            Barack Obama has accomplished some historic achievements in addition the winning the Presidency twice — which is no easy feat. Whatever else one may think about him, he has earned at the very least a measure of respect – if not for him personally then at least for the office that he holds. Bigotry and racism are personal biases that will override this reality because they are powerful personal emotions. There isn’t much else that will have this effect without knowing the man personally, and it’s rather unlikely that this is the case here.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Yet, many of the victims of Sandy have not received any aid – and there are posts flying around the internet that more time has passed with no aid than when our country was hit with Katrina.
            Who does one believe in anymore?
            We shouldn’t raise the debt ceiling. Dear God – we owe over $16 tillion dollars. One trillion seconds is 32,000 YEARS. When does the madness END?
            Time to cut overseas government spending. Why in the world do we borrow money from China and print it out of thin air just so that we can give it away to countries that detest us???
            I don’t get any of this. But I know one thing – it is time for this inflated spending to end. Time for the government to get its ‘ducks in a row’ and stop raising out debt.
            We need leaders – not people who keep kicking the can down the line and are afraid to make the hard decisions.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Congress has already spent the money that necessitates raising the debt ceiling, so you are trying to claim that closing the barn door after the horse is out galloping through the fields is the solution. What you advocate is like signing a contract for a new car, then refusing to pay the bill when it comes due even though you are driving the car every day. Doing so will wreck you credit and increase the interest that you must pay on future loans.

            The real solution is not to contract to buy things that you don’t want to pay for. President Obama has spent a great deal of money that he was pretty much forced to spend by the economic mess that he inherited. Even so he has increased federal spending at a lower rate than any President in the last 30 years. Yes, in real dollars it’s a great deal of money, but that’s also the reality that he inherited. It’s also the legacy of the Republican Party, who spend more than Democrats even while they claim to be ‘fiscally responsible’. That’s a fact that cannot be disputed.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Ok.
            So do you have a comment on when our country can focus on the ‘now’ instead of on the bills of ‘yesterday’?
            We have had four years. Do you think we can stop referring to the previous bills sometime in the next 4 years?
            I agree with you that he inherited a mess. I never said he didn’t.

            ? – If a person is hired as a CEO of a failing company and is specifically hired to turn that company around….and can’t do so…what happens to that person? Well, he gets replaced. Mr O has not been replaced. He has been given a new contract.

            CEO’s don’t have the luxury of continually blaming their predecessors for the mess they inherited. They were hired to do the job of fixing the company.

            I want O to do the job he was hired to do. No whining. No complaining. No placing blame on someone else. We in America are well aware (or at least, should be) that he inherited a mess.

            I am tired of hearing him bitch about it. I hired him in 2008 to do something about it. I hired him to end wars (which he is in the process of trying to do) and help establish bipartenship to fix our country. If our president can not get people to reach across the isle….if he does not instill confidence and if he can’t enlighten people in the art of compromise…..what kind of a leader did I vote for in 2008?

            This is not all on Republicans now. Not all of it. Something is going on behind closed doors that we are not being given access to. There has been no transparency to know who is blocking what. I want to be a fly on the wall – that is the only way we would really now who is to blame for the cross purposes in Washington. The Democrats want to blame it all on the Repus and vice versa. Common sense tells me that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

            But that doesn’t tell me when our Pres is going to step up to the plate and be the leader that the country hired him to be. I have been awaiting, anxiously, to see how he’s going to help fix us all.

            All I see is further division and more despair. We need to come together somehow. He needs to step up to the plate and lead with positivity instead of negativity. He’s not helping with his ‘it’s not my fault’ attitude. I want a leader. Where is he?

          • WhutHeSaid

            It’s exactly because of ‘now’ that Obama is correctly taking a long term approach. Every economist worth his or her salt knows that you cannot make draconian cuts to federal spending when the economy is weak. Were you complaining loudly when the Bush administration lit the economic wildfires? You are tired of blame being laid on Bush, you say, but doesn’t that really mean that you are tired of the effects of Bush’s economic policies? What I mean is that if the effects of Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility didn’t last until today, you would have nothing to gripe about and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

            The economy is improving every day. Everybody seems to want instant gratification, but that’s not the way that it works. Obama is facing the wort partisan opposition in history, and at least half of it has racial undertones that will not respond to logic or reason. Even so, he’s managed to enact policies that improve the situation every day, albeit too slowly for many.

            The United States is not a corporation, and the President is not a CEO. Obama’s job is not just to ‘turn a profit’. Obama has ended one of the two wars that were raging when he entered office, and the other is well on it’s way to ending. He ended the policy of torture immediately, which was a stupid and arrogant betrayal of everything the US is supposed to stand for.

            If you truly voted for Obama and you truly want him to do a good job, then by now you must be angry with Republican irresponsibility. It was Republican irresponsibility that created such a mess, and now the Republicans are doing everything in their power to thwart Obama no matter how much it damages the country as a whole. Obama was reelected despite every sordid trick (voter suppression, etc.) that the Republicans could muster. There is no chance now of denying Obama a second term, so what is the goal now?

            I don’t see all division and despair. Yes, bitter bigots are hating life, and Republicans are grousing about everything except their own responsibility for losing the support of the American public. What could have possibly went wrong with their woman-hating, immigrant-hating, poor-hating, minority-hating plans? Any guesses?

            As President, Obama is the leader of this country — nothing can change that now. History will judge his effectiveness. But one thing is for certain: Being a leader doesn’t mean that he will do everything that needs to be done by himself. We all have our part to play, and the sooner that sore losers quit crying and stamping their feet and do their part the better.

      • idamag

        Magic, I am wondering if lana’s parents were first cousins or maybe brother and sister. She sure is proud of her ignorance.

        • neeceoooo

          Maybe her father is also her brother

    • Sand_Cat

      Bravo! Another new low for you, Lana. Keep the lunacy, nasty ignorance, and agressive stupidity flowing!

      • lana ward

        Truth hurt?

  • lana ward

    What’s up with Omuslims’ face? Sometimes he looks young and sometimes he looks 30 years older and like an old hack. The old Omuslim looks like his father, Frank Marshall Davis, an America hater and devout communist

    • awakenaustin

      Your realize that in order to continue with your Frank Marshall Davis position you are going to have to turn in your “birther” credentials.

      • lana ward

        Just because his real father is Frank Marshall Davis, doesn’t mean he wasn’t born in Kenya

        • awakenaustin

          If one could actually laugh in writing that is what I would be doing now. So, he was born in Kenya? Other than your fevered imagination do you have any support for that? No, of course you don’t and I know you don’t. I was just putting you on. Hold tightly to those fantasies are they are all you have left to comfort you.

          • lana ward

            You are why Omuslim voters are called the uninformed voters. Fantasy man

          • awakenaustin

            Does this mean I am your fantasy man? I am okay with you fulfilling your needs with imaginings about me. J

          • idamag

            Awake, you don’t want to be her fantasy man. I am not sure she would be safe to associate with. She is burning up with bigotry and hatred.

          • awakenaustin

            (Smile) Thanks.

          • bertye brown

            And you my friend are why Fox news exist.

        • awakenaustin

          If born outside the US to citizens of the United States then one is a citizen of the United States. See John McCain, see George Romney (Mitt’s daddy).Frank Marshall Davis was a US citizen (much to your chagrin, I bet) and President Obama’s mother was a US citizen, ipso facto, by your belief and definition the Prez is a US citizen. Turn over your “birther” credentials.

          • lana ward

            If Omuslim would tell Americans the truth once in awhile, no, not possible

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    Brown’s win in the 2011 election came at the beginning of the Tea Party wave. His promise to be the 41st vote that would stop Obamacare was very well-received in the state, despite the fact that “Romneycare,” the near-universal health care that the Affordable Care Act was modeled after, has been in place since 2006 and remains popular/// brown’s an idiot ya ya get rid of obamacare and love’s romneycare. take your head off and put it back on again . hope MA. keeps out all the tea party an d GOP runner’s and help save the country by doing so

  • m8lsem

    Ed Markey is quite a character, and would be a nice addition to the Senate; he could as needed skewer the Tea Bags ..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-J-Casaletto/100000349849595 Robert J Casaletto

    I believe the election of President Obama was Ted Kennedy’s brightest historical moment in the 21st Centruy. But Brown’s election is one of the darkest moments in the history of Ted Kennedy’s after life biography. To elect a Republican to Ted Kennedy’s seat left open by his passing in A SPECIAL ELECTION” is repugnant.

    • latebloomingrandma

      Senator Warren is finally a worthy successor to the Liberal Lion’s seat!

    • SpaceVegetable

      It’s not “Ted Kennedy’s seat.” It’s the “people of Massachusetts’ seat.” I think it’s awesome that there were enough of us who actually voted for the candidate and not robotically pull the lever for whomever has a (D) next to their name. Some of us actually care about the ethics of the person we want to represent us.

      • idamag

        learn to spell the state you refer to.

        • SpaceVegetable

          Learn to read. I live there, dumbass. I spelled it just fine.

          I’m done. I can’t have an intellectual discussion with such unarmed opponents.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            But I enjoy most of your replies!

          • WhutHeSaid

            Perhaps the issue is that you were asked to back up your claims, and you are the ‘unarmed’ party.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Heh. Yeah, right. Sorry, but I don’t spread my personal info – especially my financial details – all over the internet. Let me just say that just the raising of the deduction “floor” for medical expenses to 10% from 7.5% will cost me more than $3000 in tax deductions. And that’s just one of the new tax increases associated with O-Bominable-Care.

          • WhutHeSaid

            That’s it? That’s your proof that the PPACA is an appalling injustice and plague upon all of mankind? A 2.5% deduction floor change?

            I’ll bet that this will just break you — you should have told us about your terrible plight earlier. I had thought that your demeaning and disrespectful names for Obama were induced by your personal bias, but now I can clearly see that a horrible injustice has been visited upon you. I mean, really — who cares about millions of people literally dying because they can’t afford health care when you are paying an additional $64.75 in taxes?

            Oh, what a cruel and wicked man Obama has turned out to be!

          • SpaceVegetable

            My, you really are bad at math. If I have to pay taxes on $3000 more dollars than I would have before, that amounts to about $1000 more in taxes I’ll have to pay, maybe more, depending on how much Obysmal socks it to us so-called rich people. Taxes and O-Bominable-Care values are not indexed by zip code, so those of us who live in high-cost areas get hit even harder. It costs us more to live, so we tend to have higher salaries, but taxes don’t take that into account. And before you say “move”, there’s a reason people live in such areas despite the taxes. It’s called *jobs.* There are far more high tech jobs where I live than there are in Bumsquat, Kansas (no offense to Kansas intended – just poking a little fun at some of the more humorous names I’ve seen on small rural towns).

            Health care premiums are higher, too, so more of us will be caught by the so-called “Cadillac” penalty tax of 40%. My health plan already exceeds those limits and I’ll have to pay 40% on at least the $2000 that my premiums are currently in excess of the limit. Never mind that the plan I have is the most cost effective for me and my needs. What good are low premiums and deductibles when you’ll have to pay deductibles in full evey year anyway? Plus the fact that that will leave those costs front-loaded at the beginning of the year – the same time many other bills are due.

            Why do you despise people who are successful and make good money? Are you jealous of their success? I make a good living but I’ve worked damned hard to get where I am. I’m not going to feel guilty because I have it better than someone else. Anyone can do it. It just takes hard work. Why should I have to give more of my hard-earned dollars to the government just because a bunch of jealous greedy buggers find it easier to take fro others than to go out and earn their own?

          • WhutHeSaid

            There’s nothing wrong with my math — I just made up a dummy amount for the purpose of showing how ridiculous you sound.

            Like many a pompous ass, you assume that you are more successful than I. That’s your error, and a testament to your limited critical thinking skills as well as reading comprehension. Why would I, or anyone else for that matter, ‘despise’ people who make good money? Nobody does, of course, rather they despise selfish, whining deadbeats. Because it’s your nature to be selfish, greedy and ungrateful, you simply cannot process the thought that there are people who are far more successful than you who understand why the wealthier among us need to pay more than the less fortunate. To Warren Buffett or Bill Gates your income amounts to a rounding error, yet they understand that a) they are fortunate, and they could have just as easily failed at their businesses if they weren’t in the right place at the right time, and b) that their success is only possible because of the opportunity that many people who went before them paid for — including the working class people that you look down upon.

            It’s really stupid (and telling) that you brag about how successful you are while calling those who are near starvation ‘greedy buggers’ in the same breath. If millions of Americans who’ve gone before you hadn’t worked hard and contributed to the success of America — yes, even what you’d call the ‘little people’ — you might be close to starvation yourself, desperately scratching out a living however you could. In my opinion, it would be a good lesson for you — perhaps you would build some character.

            I hope you aren’t suggesting that you are a high-tech professional who uses logic on a daily basis, because yours truly sucks. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet understand the simple fact that the vast American middle class is the engine that drives America’s economy. This has always been true. If you strangle the middle and working classes, you can kiss your own financial future goodbye. This theory also applies to health care, just in case you wondered. Uninsured people who wait until their health becomes an emergency and then seek care in the ER are already costing all of us a great deal of money, and that’s exactly the idea behind universal health care. Of course, the greedy, ungrateful slugs among us often would rather cut off their nose to spite their face and pay more for the current inefficient system just so that they can deny assistance to those in poverty. This makes them feel better about themselves, since deep down they know that they really didn’t do anything special to deserve their good fortune; it was mostly luck (and with a good deal of these types of people, cheating).

            The health care system in this country is ridiculously inefficient and expensive. You whine about your premiums but apparently find it beyond your limited comprehension to realize that this is the true reason that your costs are so high. The US health care system is shameful: The wealthiest country in the world can’t devise a system that matches the quality and efficiency of many countries — even third-world countries? The PPACA is the first true effort at correcting this ridiculous situation. There is absolutely no reason that US health care needs to cost double or triple that of other countries while millions cannot afford access to basic routine care.

            I’m pretty certain that I’ll never convince you of your misjudgement regarding health care. You believe yourself *special*, and not one of the ‘little people’. It makes little difference anyway — the PPACA is the law. More responsible and thoughtful people than you (and yes, even more successful than you) have won the day and made it so. You now have no choice in the matter.

          • SpaceVegetable

            My, you are a presumptuous asshat, aren’t you? How silly of me to interpret such statements like: “I’ll bet that this will just break you — you should have told us about your terrible plight earlier” as insinuating that I am wealthy and should not care about being forced to pay ever more to fund wasteful, duplicative, and corrupt programs. I consider anyone who would rather take from others than go out and earn their own money to be a ‘greedy bugger’.

            Luck had *nothing* to do with my success. That is the most offensive thing about people like you and the reason so many small business owners took such offense at Warren and Obama’s comments about how they didn’t earn their success. If I were “lucky”, I wouldn’t wake up in pain every day of my life. If I were “lucky” I wouldn’t have had to work 3 jobs while taking a full courseload in college (and collapsing from exhaustion and pain at the end of every day). If I were “lucky” I wouldn’t have to keep finding more money to pay for my health care while other cheat and defraud those government-run programs you like so well.

            I’ll never convince you that people succeed on their own merits because you’re a slave on Uncle Sam’s Plantation. You want the government to take from someone else and give to you because you don’t consider it “fair” that someone else has more than you, no matter what they’ve sacrificed or suffered to get there. There are many kinds of success, but it seems only monetary success is being targeted. You’re probably one of mommy’s special flowers who has never been allowed to fail and thinks everyone else owes you something and everyone else is at fault if you don’t succeed. Sorry to burst your bubble, dearie, but the real world doesn’t grade on a curve and you don’t get a trophy for just showing up.

            I damn well *earned* every bit of success I enjoy and I damn well deserve to enjoy it, It’s mine and I will not give it to anyone else just because a bunch of lazy greedy slackers think it isn’t fair that they can’t make a 6-figure income with their degree in Medieval Transylvanian Literature. I don’t think I’m better than anyone else. Hell, I grew up poor, so I’m quite familiar with being one of the so-called “little people” you hold in such regard. We used to cheer on and applaud the successes of our fellow citizens, but now, led by people like Warren and Obama, we sneer at them and blame them for every wrong in this country. It’s disgusting and I’m sure the founding fathers are rolling in their graves at such a heinous attitude.

            I don’t expect to convince you and your greedy and self-righteous horde that I’m correct. I know I’m right and that’s enough for me. O-Bysmal-Care is a debacle. It’s so bad that I suspect it’s designed to fail so Obama and his cronies can rush in and “save” us with universal health care (paid for with more enormous tax increases, of course). Yup, our greedy politicians who have proven they can’t spend responsibly want even more money to waste, while exempting themselves and their union pals from the worst of it. If O-Bominable-Care is so good, why don’t they join in themselves, eh?

            Go ahead and call me all the names you like. I’ve heard it all and know the true facts, not what the media feeds sheep like you. Meanwhile, I’ll just continue making as much money as possible and doing whatever I can to keep as much of it as possible. If you think the government is so much better and managing money, why don’t you go ahead and write them an extra check? Put your money where your mouth is. Me, I’ll take care of my own self, thanks. I prefer to stand on my own two feet (while they’re still working and able to hold me up) and prepae for my own needs. Go along and play, Grasshopper. This ant is preparing ahead.

          • WhutHeSaid

            My goodness — you blather on as if you actually know what you are talking about when in reality you’re full of shit.

            Members of Congress are NOT exempted from the PPACA. Here for your enjoyment (and perhaps education) is a quote from the PPACA itself:

            “H.R. 3590: D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.— (i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are— (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).”

            Further, just to highlight what a complete and utter walking bunghole you really are, you whine and snivel about how horrible your lot in life is — what with you waking up every day in pain and collapsing in exhaustion from your studies (presumably you attended a school where studying required superhuman efforts that would make Iron Man hang his head in shame). And — Oh Horrors — you worked ‘3 jobs’ while taking a full course-load of academics, no doubt walking to classes in your bare feet, through snow, rain, and hurricanes, uphill (both ways).

            If you weren’t such an incredible whiner and bullshit artist you might notice that there are people who can’t walk, can’t see, can’t hear and who don’t even have enough food to survive let alone work 37 jobs and take 25 credit hours per day like superheros such as yourself. In case you don’t understand sarcasm, there a millions of people in this country who have it FAR worse than you, and yet you would call these people ‘greedy buggers’. Some people cannot find employment at all, or the employment they do find cannot provide basic necessities. Further, it’s selfish, greedy, lying, and cheating ingrates like you that suck up the tax dollars of the people who actually DO work hard (while pitying themselves far less) and then proclaim that they did everything themselves with no help from anyone, who do their level best to deny assistance to anyone else because they are ‘special’ — nobody could possibly have such a horrible lot in life and be so worthy of slurping up public benefits from everyone else while crying and sniveling about paying their share.

            For your information (and because you spend much of your time with your head up your own ass) people still cheer the success of others. Perhaps you don’t hear it because you are to busy feeling sorry for yourself and your terrible burden in life despite the fact that there are people who TRULY suffer who fill you with jealous rage. That’s right — you are JEALOUS of people who have it worse than you. What do you think that makes you? Yes, you guessed it: It starts with an ‘a’ and ends with an ‘e’.

            You can’t seem to decide whether you are successful or a hapless victim of an unbearable existence. You are JEALOUS of the destitute, for God’s sake. I’ll bet hungry babies cause you to shake uncontrollably in fits of rage, and quadriplegics fill you with disgust over their laziness about wanting to sit all the time. You are a real loser.

            Having said the above, let me leave you with these affectionate parting words: Deadbeats like you can squeal all you want, but you WILL do what America decides you will do. Since you are too selfish and full of yourself to understand what the PPACA is all about, the rest of us will just make you toe the line whether you like it or not. You can cry yourself rivers of tears over your unbearable burdens, but you WILL abide by the PPACA. Take that to heart.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Ah yes, so you actually admit your greedy thirst for power. The tyranny of the majority is your favorite thing, eh? I will never give in to ignorant thieves like you. This is *my* country too and I won’t see it destroyed by idiots who can’t even do basic math.

            FYI, I’m incredibly glad that I’ve been able to do what I’ve done with my life despite a disability. I’m well aware that there are many who are far worse off than myself. You, who claim to be all about the suffering of others and disparage *me* for lacking compassion could certainly do with a hefty dose yourself. I’d like to see you manage what I’ve done while suffering 30 years of severe rheumatoid arthritis. I had 8 joint replacements by the time I was 35 and have 8 more coming in the next couple of years (thank goodness for American ingenuity that such things are actually available).

            Most people with the level of arthritis I have are unable to work and are on disability – something I’ve been able to avoid, even though I could have taken that path if I wanted. Funny, though, I wanted more out of life than that and decided to go ahead and see what I could do with my life. *That* is why I lack pity for the able-bodied who sit around whining about how other people have it better than they do and how they’re entitled to what those others have worked hard to earn. People like you don’t appreciate what you have until it’s gone.

            That’s another reason I despise O-Bysmal-Care. It makes life more difficult for people like me who are already shouldering hefty health care burdens. There is not a damn thing about it that is “affordable” if you’re one of the less fortunate who actually has to use a lot of health care through no fault of your own.

            You have no idea what it’s like to be unable to even get out of bed until the painkillers kick in and I wouldn’t wish it on you or my worst enemy. Hell, my pain tolerance is now so high that I didn’t even need anything stronger than Advil after my last joint replacement surgery. Yep, *lucky* me. Sorry if my overcoming pain and lack of wealth to reach my own American Dream offends you. I’d give up every penny to my name to be free of this condition. But I won’t give up what’s mine to a government who insults me, blames me for its problems, can’t manage the money it already gets wisely, and incites others against me.

            Oh and please tell me just what public benefits I’m “slurping up.” I use no such benefits and pay my own way in life. I don’t need others spoon-feeding me and wiping my backside like you seem to. I have plenty of compassion for the truly needy, but it’s those who defraud the system, spending welfare benefits on such “necessities” as drugs, booze, tattos, jewelry, lap dances, and bail money (google Massachusetts EBT fraud for proof) that tick me off. Leeches like that are the ones who have my enmity and there seem to be far too many of them and far too few concerned with how badly the taxpayers are being screwed.

            No one can argue that health care in this country needs work. But O-Bominable-Care is not the answer and neither is dividing the country and pointing fingers at each other when we should be all pointing them at the pigs in government. Funny how all politicians seem to end up as millionaires no matter how much money they had going in. That and power have led them to ignore the needs of the American people in favor of their own greedy and selfish craving of power for themselves. And Obama is the worst of all of them.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I see that you have long ago dropped any pretense of supporting Obama — ever. That’s good, because I never believed it anyway. Nobody goes from voting for a President to four years later claiming that he is the worst human in the history of mankind, and everything he does is pure unadulterated evil.

            Greedy thirst for power? I see you also made that accusation about Obama — even though he has already been elected to his last term and therefore cannot achieve any further power. Oh yes, you don’t have to *give* in to anyone — when it comes to making deadbeats pay their share this country has long perfected the process of *taking* what you owe. Personally I’ve always believed in as little government intrusion into the lives of citizens as possible, but for those people who are despicable enough that they are perfectly willing to cheat or otherwise abuse others — I’m more than happy to make an exception.

            You have an obvious persecution complex, as well as a nasty problem with the truth. You never once qualified your disdain for the adverse conditions and hardships suffered by others, and only in your last post did you make reference to ‘able-bodied’ people ‘whining about how other people have it better than they do and how they’re entitled to what those others have worked hard to earn’. I’ve never heard anyone talk about how they are entitled to what other people earn, and neither have you. It’s just hyperbole you use in an attempt to justify your selfish desire to avoid paying your share.

            So you have arthritis, as do millions of other people — including those who cannot afford joint replacement surgery through no fault of their own. You failed to mention any concern for them, and the reason is because you don’t HAVE any concern for them — only yourself. In addition to that, there are millions of people with medical conditions FAR WORSE than yours.

            As a person with a physical disability, you would certainly be an easier than average target for those who would like to take your possessions away from you by force. Of course, you can count on the tax contributions of millions of Americans to enforce laws and emergency services that protect you from this. Likewise you can feel somewhat reassured that your prescription drugs and medical procedures will meet a certain level of safety due to the tax dollars that support federal agencies to enforce proper safeguards. Ditto for common things like food, transportation (do you like safe airlines?), air, water, and consumer products. Perhaps you enjoy the freedom to not worry about foreign enemies invading your country. Even the fact that you, as a woman, are allowed to receive an education and enjoy a career might not be possible without the quite progressive and fairly recent movement for gender equality and the laws enforced by tax dollars from even the most humble American taxpayer. Such rights are by no means guaranteed everywhere, and women and girls are often maimed or even killed just for having the gall to desire an education.

            You cannot even breathe without enjoying a public benefit provided by others. Certainly you can’t travel, work, eat, receive medical services, earn money or even use your computer to type hateful slurs against others without using a benefit provided by the tax dollars of others. Your entire life as an American is lived under the protection and with the assistance of thousands of benefits provided by the contributions of others. I challenge you to describe a single day in your life where you didn’t make use of something provided by American taxpayers.

            Yet despite all this you are profoundly ungrateful. You claim to have achieved success, yet you have nothing but scorn and jealous hate for those who aren’t as successful. You even express your jealous hate for those who ARE successful. It appears to me that you are jealous of everyone and believe that you are the only ‘worthy’ person in the entire world. Certainly I’ve never heard you express any concern for anyone besides yourself.

            The PPACA is an attempt to solve a serious problem with the American health system. I would certainly understand if you disliked some or even most of the law — there are some parts even I do not like. But you have nothing but hate for the entire concept of making America’s health care system better. Aside from the fact that this is bad for the quality and affordability of your own health care, it is idiotic to oppose something that is designed to help ALL Americans — whether it actually achieves that goal or not. As long as you publicly express your scorn for the health care of everyone but yourself you can expect to be met with a heaping helping of scorn yourself. Better get used to it.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Regardless of what you believe, I did indeed vote for Obama in 2008 and I’m not a Republican. Heck, I’m still registered as a Democrat even though I call myself Independent. I just have gotten around to unenrolling in the party yet. Obama didn’t live up to his promises, however, so I didn’t vote for him again.

            Yes, I have arthritis. But it’s not the arthritis you see on TV where Grandma pops a couple of Tylenol and goes out to play football with the kids. My form is an autoimmune disease where my body is attacking its own joints. Priot to getting the joints in my hands replaced, my fingers wer gnarled and crooked and nearly at a 90 degree angle to the rest of my hand. I’ve lost 90% of the range of motion in my ankles and my knees don’t even bend a full 90 degrees any more. I’m 46 and there are 90 year olds who move more freely than I do. One of my medications costs over $2000 per month if I didn’t have the insurance coverage that I do. I’ve had handicapped parking since 1987. I can’t even buy disability or long-term care insurance because I’m already considered disabled – which is a word I despise because it means “doesn’t function” in the tech world and I *do* function, albeit with limitations. I prefer to be called handicapped, like a handicap in golf or bowling, since I can function, just differently or with the assistance of drugs or devices.

            I don’t tell you this for sympathy because I don’t want it. I’m telling you this because it means I know a heck of a lot about health care and insurance and it’s something incredibly vital for me. My condition is not curable and is degenerative, so the likelihood that I’ll have to retire before the usual age is higher, as is my need for healthcare. This is the reason why I zealously – and *legally* – protect my earnings. I can’t depend on the government being there to take care of my needs and the consequences are far higher for me than for most healthy people.

            Obamacare may make health care better for you, but for people like me and those far worse off, it does not. I choose to act responsibly and buy a higher level of health insurance to cover my greater needs, yet because a few wealthy people have similar plans, I now have to pay a penalty because my coverage is considered too good. And you consider that to be fair? And hey, all those joint replacements, diagnostic scans, and mobility devices are now going to cost more because of the new medical device tax. Please tell me, O Logical One, how increasing the cost of medical devices (and prescription drugs with the new tax on drug development) is supposed to make health care more “affordable”? Likewise with allowing people to deduct less of their medical expenses and taxing them on their health insurance. I’d really like an answer to that because it makes no sense.

            You accuse me of hating or slurring others, but I have not and do not. I know there are others with worse health issues and I’m profoundly thankful that I’m not worse off. Heck, one of the main reasons for my success (this according to my doctor) is just plain stubbornness and refusing to let my disability define me. It pisses me off to have to deal with this pain and have limitations on what I can do and makes me want to succeed on my own merits even more.

            Yes, I do have scorn for those who can help themselves but won’t. When you’ve dealt with the kind of pain I do, it’s hard to feel sympathy for those who have their health but choose not to take advantage of it. Hell, I’ve walked on broken legs for weeks (on two separate occasions) without even realizing they were broken because it didn’t hurt as bad as the arthritis on a bad flare day. I’m also in a worse position when I lose a job because I’m not able to work any kind of job requiring physical labor or even standing. So, no working in restaurants or retail for me when I can’t get a software gig.

            And still you sneer and threaten me with taking what I’ve earned becasue you and some others think you know best. Well, sorry, but I disagree. The more you try to take, the more effort I’ll expend to ensure there is less for you to steal. Oh it will all be legal, since there are still a lot of ways to shelter earnings. Just look at what’s happening in France and California. They keep raising taxes and people keep fleeing with their money, leaving them with less than they had before. A dog will only allow itself to be kicked for so long before it runs away or turns on you. You and your arrogant and self-righteous pals might want to keep that in mind.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Let me tell you a secret: I would agree with you that there are problems with the so-called ‘Cadillac’ excise tax — especially in the sense that the inflation index will suffer from a situation similar to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Like the AMT, there will likely be a series of ‘patches’ enacted at some point after 2018.

            The goal of the excise tax is to encourage excessive use of lower value health care ‘procedures’ and encourage the efficiency of health care plans as well as raise revenue directly via the excise tax itself. There are other approaches that could be taken, and it’s likely that the issue will be debated in earnest as the 2018 implementation date approaches.

            I know what Rheumatoid Arthritis is. To you it is important because you suffer from it personally. Other people may not care about those who suffer from it or have any sympathy for your claim to need a higher cost health insurance plan as a means to deal with the effects. I’m not one of those people, but I can tell you that the likelihood of you finding people willing to side with you on the issue is directly proportional to your ability to see the other side of the issue and appreciate it’s purpose — even if you don’t necessarily agree with it.

            The purpose of PPACA is not to make health insurance affordable for SpaceVegetable, rather, it’s to make health insurance affordable and available for the greatest number of Americans possible. Your case is different from those who just have a luxurious health plan because they want it. But you destroy the possibility of anyone who would be otherwise willing to support an exemption in cases such as yours actually listening by attacking the entire effort to do the greatest good for the largest number of Americans.

            Consider the possibilities in improving the PPACA had the Republicans spent time cooperating with the effort rather than wasting everybody’s time and money by repeatedly casting useless votes to repeal it when they knew full well that such efforts were meaningless. By taking a purely belligerent obstructionist position, the House Republicans guaranteed that they would force a ‘winner take all’ situation. Well, the Democrats proceeded to win the issue, and the Republicans threw away any opportunity to negotiate changes to their liking. This belligerent obstructionism continues to backfire on the GOP, with state level refusal to participate in setting up insurance exchanges simply having the effect of handing over control to the federal government.

            It’s time for the Republicans to realize that their tactics are not working, and the same thing can be said for people like you who have issues that could be substantially addressed if the focus was placed on doing this rather than trying to attack the entire health care reform effort. The PPACA is law, and it has survived national debate, a Presidential election, and a Supreme Court challenge. It’s not going away, and it is only going to get more popular over time as Americans become accustomed to the provisions that are taking effect. Smart people will find ways to make the law work to their benefit or petition their legislators to negotiate amendments to accommodate their needs.

            Don’t waste your time talking like a petulant child — threatening to take your ball and go home because you don’t get your way. Nobody wants to take your money to fund ‘lap dances’ or drugs — that’s just angry hyperbole and you know it. Do you realize how feeble threatening to flee the country and/or hide your income really is? The goal is to fix a chronic national problem, and it’s happening whether you ‘rage against the machine’ or wise up and do what you can to influence the direction to your liking. Can you guess which one has at least some chance of success?

          • idamag

            I stand corrected. You are right. I misspelled it.

  • thebunt

    Not one Republican voted for the greatest accomplishment by any president for decades. You said it, I didn’t.

    • Inthenameofliberty

      I have a sneaking suspicion things would have gone a whole lot differently if the bill hadn’t been presented to them with less than 24 hours until the time of the vote.
      Or maybe a live in fantasy land. I would have voted ‘No’ out of principal. How could anyone have read and understood that bill in less than 24 hours? I don’t agree with the philosophy of ‘ We’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it’. That’s not how businesses work. Why should we accept something without understanding what it means? I am asking, seriously, if you personally would sign into law something you had not read and did not understand?
      Yet, let’s be optimistic that it will do all that people seem to think it will. I can only hope.

      • SpaceVegetable

        These are the same people who will sign mortgage loans, then later whine that they didn’t understand what they signed and blame everyone else for their own stupidity. Seems to be the Democrat way. It’s always someone else’s fault. Heck, Obysmal hasn’t taken responsibility for anything.

        • Inthenameofliberty

          Someone wrote that they believe Mr Obama had the best of intentions when he came into office.

          I no longer know what to believe.

          I get so aggravated – $4,000,000 dollars for a family vacation to Hawaii…….
          seriously??

          That money could have paid an awful lot of healthcare premiums for an awful lot of families that really need the help.

          Just saying.

        • idamag

          Space, I am educated and I would have a hard time determining what the mortgage said. We depended on our real estate agent to sort out things. And, you, too, could have been fooled, so don’t pat yourself on the back. When we were trying to buy our first house, our agent told us that we could not afford that house. He explained the percentages and showed us why. Then the realitors and banks got greedy and told those people they could afford the houses they bought and if they wanted they would sell them for far more than they paid. It was a time when honesty was no longer a virtue.

  • sunmusing

    Maybe he was just distracted by the “royalty” on the airplane..

  • thebunt

    Not one Republican voted for the greatest achievement by an American president in decades. You said it, I didn’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/greg.maier Greg Maier

    Bring Barney Frank out of retirement! I would love to see a gay man beat the snot out of pretty boy Brown!

    • idamag

      greg, Barney Frank came out of retirement, temporary, Friday.

  • annienoel

    well obviously between his Native American heritage detector he is also privy to all the plane schedules and passenger lists. This man is a moron and should be no where near people who vote.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hillip.dew Hillip Dew

    . When Presdent Clinton left office in 1999 the amount owed fiscally didnt add up to present day. The Vietnam war added the first trilliondollar amount. President Esinhower warned about the military complex and its vast proportions. If PRESIDENT Obama wants to reduce the deficet he needs to end the War in Afghanistan. The War were were in the Middle East has lasted longer than any War. And what cost more than anything is lifes. I think its sad what happen to the victims of the storm. Congress hasnt given the time or money to the people when property got diminished.

  • Bob Williams

    I believe that Ms. Warren prefers to be called by her Indian name, which is Pocahontas. Apparently, she is not Indian, but did shake hands with one. Besides, she has been milking that “I’m part Indian” throughout her career, so why stop now?

  • bstockinger

    Don’t assume that Brown will get beat by a Democrat simply because Warren and Obama won. Special elections typically don’t get the same demographics that Presidential elections get. Unless Democrats turn out in record numbers for a special election, the Republican nominee is likely to win.

    • awakenaustin

      For what it is worth, I think your analysis is spot on. Democrats need to not take this election or the opponent, whoever it may be, lightly. Assuming things and complacency may as much as anything explain the 2010 debacle.

  • sambilano

    Scott Brown needs one more knock out.This will come from an older person.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    @neeeoceoo

    My mind is open – please enlighten me as to the great things you truly believe that Mr Obama has done for our country.

    I am being serious.

    I have been keeping a [campaign promises] score card and here is what I see:

    1. Said he would limit lobbyists.
    2. Claimed he would lead the way to a balanced budget.
    3. Proclaimed there would be transparency in government.
    4. Said that unlimited detention of American citizens [without representation] was unconstitutional.
    5. Said he would never institute gun control laws.
    6. Promised to label GMO foods.
    7. Promised to NEVER raise taxes on the middle class.
    8. Said for days that the attack on Benghazi was a ‘demonstration’. [When those at the top already knew this was not the case].
    9. Claimed multiple times at the debates that Romney was lying. [When fact checkers on both sides have proven they both ‘stretched the truth’ (LIED) about many, many points. Problem is, the American public is not educated enough to discover the truth on their own.]
    10. I am tired. Too tired to go on.

    Oh, and by the way, 1 through 9 ——- liar. He is a brilliant liar, like most of the politicians that we are all so ignorant enough to elect.

    What I am most tired of is people like yourself giving your current leader a free pass on his mistakes and BROKEN PROMISES when you would have crucified Bush.

    I contend that you are a hypocrite. We need a new political party. Democrats and Republicans have been screwing up for so long that they should be FIRED.

    But, in our land of ‘freedom’ we are a bought and sold people. If reading what people write on this site wasn’t so truly scary, I would be kept amused all day long.

    • neeceoooo

      old_blu has already responded to your BS

      • Inthenameofliberty

        But did you bother to read my response and formulate your own, personal, thoughtful messages back?

        • neeceoooo

          You are not worth it!!!!!

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Spoken like a true disrespectful, whiny, brat. What, exactly, do you do for a living that you hide behind the mask of a computer and have all day to be a nasty as you want to be? Today is my day off.
            I work for a living.
            Hey! I stooped to your level.
            Happy New Year!

      • lana ward

        What part of what Inthenameofliberty said is not true?

    • sleeve

      Clown car is leaving, better jump in…

      • Inthenameofliberty

        Sure – I’ll take the seat right next to you so we can discuss all the above points and you can give me reasons as to why I am wrong.

      • lana ward

        Your the clown. Princess Omuslim has not kept one promise he’s made

    • SpaceVegetable

      It’s scary how easily people are bamboozled by the biased media headlines. I lost all respect for the media during the elections when they let Obama and the Democrats slide on big issues like Benghazi and spent all their time on non-issues like Romney’s Olympics commentary (which, given his background in actually running an Olypics, was quite justified). If Obama was a Republican, Benghazi would be on the front page every day. SO much f0r “objective journalism.”

      • Inthenameofliberty

        You know, we chastize our children for not playing nice, for not sharing, and for bullying and calling other children names.
        Sigh – we adults are the worst offenders of all – aren’t we?
        Yes, I believe that your assessment is correct – If Obama had been a Republican, his followers would have had him crucified.

  • kevin

    Has she paid back all the money for her education? American Indian, right

    What a hatchet job, she did to THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER.

  • CYNICALZ

    Both Warren and Scott are just more trained monkeys for the democrats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000624404633 James Curran

    Forgive me if I am wrong but does Weld even have a residence in Massachusetts anymore.Last I heard he was living in New York and worrked on Wall St.

  • magic2114

    It sometimes take adamant thinkers a long time to see the right road or correct position on subject matters. She (Lana) most likely believes her comments even though they are way out there. Her last point of 16 trillion being Obama’s fault ignores logic and common sense, since most of the same debt was there prior to his arrival..

    • Inthenameofliberty

      A very thoughtful response.

  • jim1230

    Lana Ward , you should read about your favorite Republican company, Walmart. They hold their employees down to 20-30 hours a week. At low salary of $8.24 to $8.83 /hr. Making them qualify for food stamps and free healthcare. Over 70 percent of Walmart employees are on Goverment help. While the Walton Family rakes in BILLIONS each year. This is the Republican way to help the country.

  • AdamMos

    I believe that Obama attempted to make good on every promise he has made. He is not a king and therefore requires the help of the judiciary and the legislator to get much done. He can only set the tone , recommend legislation and sign passed bills by Congress into law. There is no debate that 5 million new privaste sector jobs have been created over last 2.5 years. There is no debate that he took a chance and order the raid on Bin Laden. As a member of the Financial Services industry I can tell you from experience that the industry was heading to self destruction and our economy wqas headed for a deep depression. It was under Bush and bipartisan congress that the bailouts were extended and the first checks were sent to GM. By all accounts the bailouts were extremely successful and eneded up allowing the govt to turn a profit and save the economy. The stimulus was actually 1/3 tax cuts , 1/3 infrastructure spending and 1/3 state govt bailouts. With the exception of the infrastructure spending which was mired in red tape, the stimulus was succesful but probably not large enough. Had he been able to incease govt spending and increase public sector jobs by 4% like Reagan did in his first term the recovery would have been even more robust.

    He did all of this in spite of unprecedented Republican opposition and obstructionism that began even before he took office. He may go down in history as one of the Greatest Presidents in our lifetime. If you truly were an Obama supporter in 08 then you really need to read between the lines and understand exactly what he was up against how he handled everything with such dignity and grace. Thank you for the opportunity to express myself. Peace be with you.

    • Inthenameofliberty

      And with you as well.

    • SpaceVegetable

      Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

      You are aware, of course, that Obama had a fully-Democratic Congress in his first 2 years and still broke all his campaign promises, right? You can’t pin this on the Republicans.

      GM, by the way, is headed back toward bankruptcy. Obama circumvented bankruptcy law and screwed the GM bond holders, who were supposed to be first to be compernsated in a bankruptcy. Instead, he handed over chunks of the company to his union cronies. He bailed out the *union* not the company and now it’s coming back to bite him in the backside.

      • idamag

        Space why don’t you study what filibustering was used for and what it was originally meant for. You can have a majority and still not get anything done. It was used 85 times in all of our country’s history and 419 times during President Obama’s first term.

        • SpaceVegetable

          That’s right, change the subject. That’s how you guys argue against facts you can’t refute.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQ5LTH2XTZCVP7G4FGK6Z2YTJE ignore the facts

    Haven’t the people of Massachusetts had enough of this idiot Brown? It would be sickening if they voted him in. He doesn’t represent the Massachusetts people at all, but DOES represent the haters – read repugnicans – the ones who hate all us “average” Americans – you know the ones who actually believe in education, health care, little stuff like that.

    • SpaceVegetable

      You seriously believe that? Good grief. Brown was the 2nd most bipartisan Senator in Congress. You guys keep talking about compromise, but seem to want only the other guys to make any concessions. That’s not how compromise works. And how would you know what Republicans or anyone else “hate”? Are you a mind reader? I’m an Independent and the only people I hate are those who are willfully ignorant and demand that others take care of them.

  • SpaceVegetable

    Typical biased article. I still can’t believe the morons in my state actually voted in that fraud from Oklahoma. If she had been a Republican, they would have been all over every minute detail of her employment and affirmative action history, but because she’s a Democrat, they brush it aside and try to make it seem like Brown was a bully for questioning her ethics (so much for equality for women, eh?). I suppose it should be expected here in Mass, where they also reelected a crook (Tierney) and another Kennedy because, well, he’s a Kennedy. And hey, we’ve had three Democrat Speakers of the House who are convicted felons! And a governor who gives taxpayer money to illegals. SOmeone on his staff actually said “it’s not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts.”

    And let’s not forget the shenanigans with the convenient lawsuit about voter registration for welfare reciepients…. conveniently brought about by an organization headed by ol’ Fauxcahontas Warren’s daughter. And the conveniently fast settlement by the Democrat Attorney General. And the convenient fact of the Democrat governor’s wife being a partner in the law firm involved. And the convenient timing of mailing (at taxpayer expense) voter registration forms to all welfare and food stamp recipients right before the election. No, the idiot voters don’t care about ethics, so long as there’s a (D) next to a candidate’s name. Now, instead of the 2nd most bipartisan Senator in Congress, we have this ultra-liberal, lying fraud who will simply rubber-stamp Obysmal’s agenda. It makes me sick. And I’m not even a Republican!

    • WhutHeSaid

      Liar. My guess is that you are a blubbering Tea Bigot. I’ve read your posts, and you are so full of shit you squeak. A lot of people vote Democrat because of the despicable record of recent Republicans all over the country. I don’t understand how any woman could vote Republican unless she was mentally challenged.

      Republicans can blame themselves for Warren’s defeat of Scott Brown. They fought against her tooth and nail to keep her from heading the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, so instead she ran for the Senate where she may have even more influence as a member of the Senate Banking Committee. Poetic justice.

      • SpaceVegetable

        I am a woman and I voted Republican this time. I an an Independent – somewhat libertarian in that I’m a fiscal conservative and social moderate. I do not support the religious right and the morality police because I don’t believe government belongs in out personal lives. Unfortunately, Obama – whom I *did* vote for in 2008 – has proven to be a liar and a spendaholic. I’m tired of being called greedy by Democrats because I want to keep my hard earned money and not see it wasted on illegals, fraud, and other wasteful pork spending by our foolish politicians (on both sides) who care only about their own power.

        Politicians have looted social security and I don’t expect it to be around when I retire. I have degenerative health issues (severe rheumatoid arthritis) that will require lots of medical care, now and in the future, so I see my only option as keeping, saving, and investing as much of my money as possible to secure my future. Democrats seem to want us to depend on the government for all that, but I don’t trust them. They’ve proven they cannot manage or spend our money responsibly and I resent their demands for more when I know it will only be wasted.

        Elizabeth Warren is a liar and a fraud. I cannot vote for anyone who has such poor ethics. I also find it depressing that my state also reelected Tierney, whose entire family was busted for illegal gambling. Sorry, not buying his Sgt. Schultz “I know nothing” act.

        Nothing would make me happier than to sack all of Congress and the White House and elect people who actually care about US citizens more than their own power and wealth.

        • WhutHeSaid

          Obama holds the record for the LOWEST rate of increases in federal spending over the last 30 years. LOWER than both Reagan terms, LOWER than Bush I, LOWER than Clinton, and LOWER than both Bush II terms. What do you have to say about that? Republican administrations are hands-down the champions of runaway federal spending.

          If you are a woman and you voted for a Republican platform that is clearly hostile to women, then that’s a testament to your intelligence or lack thereof. I don’t believe for one minute that you voted for Obama.

          You have accused both President Obama and Elizabeth Warren of lying, so why don’t you just back up your claims and enumerate their lies? You also claimed that you ‘ran the numbers’ on Obamacare (PPACA) and know that it’s a bad law. Back up your claims by posting your analysis here, and for extra credit include what you would do instead.

          Plenty of liars come out here to post claims that they voted for Obama, but truth will out (as the saying goes). I don’t believe that you are a fiscal conservative or a social moderate. I believe that you are a bitter bigot, driven to post against a black President because you believe that he is inferior, or worse yet, you don’t know why you hate a black President — you just do. I believe that you helped yourself to public benefits paid for by others ALL YOUR LIFE, but now that you’ve ‘got yours’ you are too selfish to pay your share.

          Prove me wrong and back up your claims.

          • SpaceVegetable

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

            Now that’s funny. I couldn’t care less if Obama was purple with orange polks dots. And I *did* vote for him in 2008 because I thought McCain was too old and Palin was a twit. I don’t have to explain myself to you. I know the facts. I have received no public benefits. I grew up poor and actually worked my way through college (40 hours a week + full course load and with a disability, to boot). I refuse to feel ashamed of my success because I damn well earned it. And I will not vote for a party that sneers at me, calls me greedy, and tells me I’m not responsible for earning my success.

            Obama is spending us into bankruptcy and wants only to cement his power. Unfortunately, he has the biased media on his side and fools like you refuse to look beyond biased news sources and only seek out those who agree with you. Sorry to burst your bubble, but when the next crisis hits, people like me – who can stand on our own and don’t depend on the government or others to take care of us – will be the ones who manage best. Anyone who depends on the government, after having witnessed what happened to those who did so after Katrina, deserves what they get. Sorry, but no one cares more about my health and well-being than I do and I refuse to let someone else have control of those things.

          • WhutHeSaid

            No party is calling you a greedy, lying, deadbeat bigot — I am. You are just another person who has snorted up the public benefits that America makes available to it’s citizens, but now pretend that it was all your own doing. It wasn’t. That’s the difference between a thoughtful and responsible person who thinks about what other generations have made possible and selfish twits who only care about themselves.

            You did not vote for Obama in 2008, so stop lying. You aren’t the first rabid bigot to trot out that claim on this site.

            It’s public record that Obama’s rate of increase in federal spending is the lowest in 30 years. Try visiting the Forbes site (you know, that bastion of leftist propaganda) and read for yourself. In fact, BOTH Democratic Presidents had lower rates of federal spending increases than ALL Republicans. Fact.

            One thing that you are sorely mistaken about: You WILL do what the country says you will do. Is there any part of that you don’t understand? That’s how this thing works — politicians propose laws, people elect politicians, politicians put into place the laws they were elected to enact. So that means that you will abide by the PPACA — and that’s that. I hope this clears it up for you.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Let me cut and Paste from Factcheck – it has proved to be a pretty good source of information and ‘seems’ on the up and up. Here is what they have to say about spending:

            “Perhaps the most relevant measure of federal spending is how it compares with the nation’s total economic output, as measured by gross domestic product. And spending in fiscal 2009 hit 25.2 percent of GDP — the highest since 1945.

            ALLOW ME TO ASTERISK**********It hasn’t come down much since that postwar record. It was 24.1 percent of GDP in both fiscal 2010 and 2011. Spending for each of the last three fiscal years was higher than any since 1946.**************

            Obama has also committed the government to some big spending in future years. CBO estimated in March that the insurance provisions of his health care law will cost $58 billion in fiscal 2014 and reach $110 billion in 2015, rising each year thereafter. Those costs will total nearly $1.3 trillion through the year 2022. (CBO also estimates 30 million to 33 million Americans will gain health insurance coverage as a result.)”

            you write: “It’s public record that Obama’s rate of increase in federal spending is the lowest in 30 years.”

            I don’t care WHAT THE RATE IS – what I care about is WHAT THE AMOUNT IS.

            If I jump from $200 to $20,000 – that is a large rate jump.

            If I go from $1.1trillion to $1.15trillion, that is not a large rate jump. But that is a hell of a LOT of money. Your comment from Forbes needs to be analyzed a bit more thoroughly.

            And here is another one from CBS News:
            “(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama’s three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.”

            Yes, yes, I know, some of that was not his fault. But it is the staggering amount of money with our National Debt now exceeding our GDP – and that has me scared as shit. Greece. We are Greece. Someone posted on this site that the US is a rich country.

            Then where is all the money? I don’t see it. Because our government sure spent it all. And that is not ONLY because of Bush.

          • WhutHeSaid

            That would be a great argument if only it was true, Fortunately for us (and unfortunately for you) it isn’t.

            The US is not Greece. For one thing, the US has it’s own currency and sets it’s own monetary policy — Greece doesn’t. The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency. The US GDP is 5,000% larger than Greece. The US economy is far more diversified than Greece’s. The debt-to-GDP ratio for the US is under 100% while Greece’s is over 150%.

            Perhaps one of the best indicators for comparison is the willingness of the rest of the world to hold the short term debt of each country. If you look at the yield of a 2-year note from the US, it’s about 27%. Greece’s 2-year note? 0.42%. That’s a BIG difference.

            Greece has a credit rating of B-, which was recently upgraded by Standard & Poor’s. The US, of course, was downgraded in 2011 from the highest available rating (AAA) to AA+ due to Republican threats to default by not raising the debt ceiling. As I said before, refusing to raise the debt ceiling is not stopping any overspending behavior — it’s just refusing to pay bills already incurred. Perhaps you would like to see the US credit rating slide closer to that of Greece since you support refusing to pay what the US already owes.

            Again, Obama was pretty much forced into spending by inheriting an economic disaster from the Bush administration, and the FY2009 budget was in place before Obama was even in office. It’s hard to tell just how bad our economic situation would be now (never mind the debt) if Obama didn’t act. So while Obama does indeed bear responsibility for federal spending increases, it’s lower rate of increase than ANY of the Presidential administrations in the last 30 years. Does that mean that everything is wonderful and there’s no deficit/debt problem? No, but then it’s far less Obama’s doing than many want to admit, and Obama has been willing to reduce spending at levels that the Republicans were afraid to touch. In fact, the Republicans aren’t as interested in reducing spending as they are in reducing CERTAIN spending, that is, for programs that they’ve always wanted to kill (like Social Security and Medicare). With defense spending they want even more increases despite the fact that the US spends nearly as much for defense as the rest of the world’s countries combined.

            It’s a matter of historical record that Republican administrations are far and away the most financially irresponsible. Comparisons to Greece are just fear-mongering tactics by sore losers. Want Obama to spend less? That’s fine — just be truthful about the fact that he’s already more fiscally responsible than ANY President in the last 30 years. Then perhaps people will be willing to listen to your arguments.

  • ayayaboy

    Highly welcome to Barney Frank for Kerry’s seat.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Really?
    I live in a mostly Democratic area.
    Try again.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Hey! Guess what? We have something in common.
    I don’t like liars, either.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Don’t you ever wish that you could be a fly on the wall and know what was really happening, instead of us relying on what the media decides it wants to report?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Renee-Pearman/100002263971695 Renee Pearman

    Ed Markey….really? That’s who Kerry wants? Why? Because he’s a Democrate? Never mind his do-nothing record, huh? This whole sinking ship is so concentrated on it’s power trip and keeping it that you and I are in for a mighty rude awakening. Do you know that they just passed A LAW that exempts all of them from obamrama care? Now just exactly why do you think they’d do that??? And it was so fast and so easy! No long, drawn out debates. They don’t have any difficulty taking care of themselves, do they? And our fearless leader gave many of them a raise. Granted, I’m sure they don’t think it amounted to much but I am still one who stands on the principle of a thing….a lost concept these bleak days.
    I’m not ashamed of my country…I am terribly ashamed of our government and of the public’s ‘head-in-the-sand’ blatant ignorance of finances and power games and political structures. Everyone should be required to read Ayn Rands novels. Democracy can be taken away from us ‘legally’. It’s happening.

    Oh, and since Fat Frank is making noises about running for the senate seat, I pray Scott Brown runs against that……..person.

    • SpaceVegetable

      Preaching to the choir. Sad that most of the commentary here just showcases how ignorant most Americans are of the truth.

  • Blue Ridge

    Is Warren going to reimburse the money she received as an American Indian?

    • idamag

      Blue Ridge, I bet you are in one of those southern red states that is bleeding the country with their hands out for welfare. Now, as for what Elizabeth Warren is supposed to owe the country – have you a bona fide ledger sheet showing what that is?

      • Blue Ridge

        I’m from Ohio, where we were stupid enough to vote socialist last election.

        • idamag

          blue, the question is still: Do you have a bona fide ledger that proves that Elizabeth Warren took any money for being Native American. I know lots of people who have Native American blood in them. It is pretty common. They aren’t getting money, from the government, either.

  • bchrista

    Empiremed must be kidding himself or not listening to the conversations one of the reasons we find ourselves in this financial mess we are in is the tax cuts bush provided big businesses along with some healthy excemptions which when figured all out they only pay about 1/5 of what should, now you take the average working person unless they belong to the 1% pays gas tax,licence tax, drivers licence tax, tax on his automoble, cigarette tax grocery tax and I could go on and on, you add all those taxes yearly and the average person I venture poportionally pays as much in taxes as the so called business because the average person doesn’t have all the loop holes tha that big businesses have when some of them don’t pay any taxes at allgo back to school son you need a lesson on econimics, you have been missing the posts complaining that big business and the 1% are not paying their fair share of taxes.

    • SpaceVegetable

      The top 25% pays 86% of all income taxes. See the IRS for confirmation).

      As for corporate taxes, are you really this dense? Corporations don’t pay taxes. Taxes are a business expense and, like all other business expenses, get rolled into the cost o goods and service sold. That means *we* the consumer pay for higher taxes in the form of higher prices, fewer jobs, and lower salaries.

      You think the 1% are exempt from paying gas taxes or driver’s license fees? WHat planet are you on. They pay the same as anyone else.

      Learn a little grammar and puctuation, dear, if you expect to be taken seriously.

  • bchrista

    Space Vegatable you must be acomplete asshole , I keep hearing that no one helped them build a business if that’s the case then you ought to be able to take that same technology to say India, China, Korea or almost any where in the world and start a successful business there. Be thankful you live in the USA no where in the world could you do that, unless you had a ton of funds someone contributed something to help your business grow. and that bull shit , your spewing about the taxes corporations pay, and all the costs you mentioned are another load of shit. You are not paying attention the pundits that are posting here keep bringing up the same articles when Bush ran for Office and was elected his sole purpose was to work for the Republican Party, that’s why the big tax cuts, the two wars that Obama was stuck with and had to include in his budget Bush-Cheney were the worst Duo to ever grace the steps of the White House like has been noted businesses, corporations and the One Personters are the ones that made out like a thief even his attempt to supposedly help the Seniors was a fuckup by introducing Medicare Part D to appease the Seniors in Florida because his Dad like Fishing for Bass and Florida is the Bass capitol of the world.

    • SpaceVegetable

      Have you ever run a business? Don’t call me a liar unless you have facts to back it up. No one gave me money in my business. I saved my salary earnings and used that to fund my business. The costs I told you about are all entirely correct. If you employ someone, you have to pay the employer share of FICA, worker’s compensation, unemployment insurance, whatever benefits are required, and whatever other fees, insurance, or taxes are required. Do you really believe that a company that owns vehicles, for example, doesn’t pay for gasoline and the attendant gasoline taxes that pay for roads? And property taxes if they own property (or included in lease costs otherwise)? And then there corporate taxes, which are the highest rate in the world.

      I paid for my education. I paid for equipment. I used my time and built a business. Tell me what anyone else “gave” me. Tell me why anyone else can’t do the same, if they so choose.

      The top 25% of income earners already pay 86% of all income taxes. Seems to me they’re already paying far more than their “fair share.” You can only blame Bush for so long. Obama has had 4 years already. When does he start taking responsibility for what’s going on? Oh, I forget, he uses union tactics. You know, take all the credit when everything goes well and blame “management” when everything goes poorly. And make sure you have a hand out to take as much as you can whenever you get the chance, regardless of what it will do to the company. Despite what you fools think, there is no magic money tree in the corporate offices for paying taxes or benefits. If you think it’s so easy to run a business and roll in piles of money, go start one! Then tell us how you can pay huge salaries, benefits, and taxes, while competing against companies in other countries with lower such costs. And you guys wonder why companies are outsourcing? Learn a little math and get a clue!

      • WhutHeSaid

        You certainly are a prolific liar if nothing else.

        If what you claimed was true, then you should have no problem moving to Antarctica and starting a successful business there. There would be no taxes, so we could all be happy to hear less of your whining.

        Taxes are the lowest in over 60 years, and that’s a fact. The income disparity between the poorest and wealthiest in this country is greater than any time since the 1920’s. The upper 1% has seen their income climb about 300% in the last 3 decades while the working and middle class income has remained stagnant or actually fallen. You can’t claim injustice over a 5% tax increase when your income has risen 200%+, yet that’s exactly what liars like you try to do.

        I for one am tired of deadbeats like you. I paid a lot in taxes over the years, and the only tax dollars I begrudge are those that went to ungrateful slugs like you. I want my money back. You have forgotten how lucky you are to live in America, and most Americans would prefer that people like you didn’t. Bye!

        • Inthenameofliberty

          Well – he started a successful business that creates jobs – why would I want him to move out of the country?

  • bchrista

    Hey Lana Ward I see you are still around I thought maybe you got your lying ass head stuck up your ass but it seems your nose didn’t grow fast enough. I don’t think that sending you back to school would help dumb shits like you never learn or you would know by now that that 10T or more was created by the Bush-Cheney team with help from Haliburton. And believe me this is fact they started two wars on credit cards, gave oneof the biggest tax cuts to the top One and Two Percent in the country and started Medicare D,Businesses and corporations loved him for all the loop holes in the tax system, and all this when one considers that Clinton left him very large budget surpless and in less than a year he was alrady in the hole, that’s a Republican for you give him a foot and he’ll expand it a mile. So Lana Ward you need to start researching your facts and quit making a complete ass of yourself it’s apparent that you are a racist and hate Obama because he whipped two white men (Romney and Ryan) if you try hard enough you’ll get over it in time.

  • bchrista

    Oh Lana Ward I almost forgot the people on food stamps and welfare are guess whom, mostlyRepublicans and they live mostly in the Red States, so like you have been told before check your facts if you keep your mouth closed people give you the benifit of the doubt, it’s when you open it that people realize what a stupid dumb ass you really are.

  • bchrista

    Hi there (inthenameof liberty) I see that you are still around I can’t bunch you with Lana Ward and Space Vegatable your comment was more acceptable when you stated you would take a wait and see position,however, tose other two assholes keep showing that theyare Racist they keep calling the President of the United States evrything in the world but by his real name and spouting shit without one inkling of facts, now I’m not expert on Obamacare but even Romney admitted that it was copied from the one he installed in Mass. and I haven’t heard the people from that state complaining, I realize it needs twicking but anything beats the present system where the insurance companies controled you life. My Brother travels to Sweden every year, that is where his wife was born and she goes to visit family they usually spent a month over there and he praises their system about the difference between their system and ours where their government provides health care for all their citizens free paid Holidays and vacations.and other free services. Lan and Space keep asking what did Obama do for their country his first four years in Office well for two years the obstructionist in Congrss denied every bill he presented to them, he put forth several jobs bills that are still pending and any other legislation he proposed was shot down because McConnell stated at the beginning of his first four years as President that he would make Obama a one term President and with a Republican Controlled Congress he sure tried his damnest in the Senate they filabustered him like crazyI believe that figure was something like 300 times and in the Congress I won’t attempt to guess, and in spite of all this he was still able to create 5,ooo,000 jobs whereas Bush was losing 800,000 jobs a month during his term in Office, he saved GM and Chyrsler from Bankruptsey finally the last two years he got some legislation passed, equal pay rights, canceled the don’t ask don’t tell policy, and the list goes on a lessor person would have given up, that’s why people that accuse him of breaking him word don’t know what he had to put up with he may have some program the first two years of his second term but after 2014 if the public keep their word watch outbecause a lot those obstructionest won’t be around the people would have spoken.

    • idamag

      Bchrista, They weren’t paying attention to when all this filibrustering was taking place. They don’t even understand what it is. One person can hold up the entire government by disagreeing. The first day of Congress, the house sets how the vote is going to be done. The first day of the 112 Congress they decreed that filibustering was in and all votes would have to be 61%. These tactics hamstrung President Obama his first term.

  • bchrista

    Hi there (inthenameofliberty) its me again th people that come here for medical treatments are people like sheiks and Rulers for some smaller countyies that are so backwards that their inhabitants still sleep on the ground no bed or wooden foors take Cuba for instant they are supposed to have the best Doctors in the world although their facilities may not be up to date. but like you said your health care keeps going up because during the Reagon and Bush administration deregulation was passed allowing all kinds of pricing to go up and insurance and medication took that as a mandate to help themselves to keep raising pricing using any excuse to justify the new price. Deregaulation helped keep gas prices steady instead of going up and down at the oil companies whim and a lot of products were lept under control at reasonable prices. I shopped at a gas station recently that advertised a price per gallon for gas but when I went inside to pay for the gas I was charged ten cents higher per gallon when I questioned the price I was told that since I didn’t have one of their gas cards the price to me was higher that would not have happened with deregulation in place. In response to that Senator who claims he only had Six minutes to read the Bill I would call him a lair to his face President Obama has been talking about waiting for a Bill to avoid the Fiscal Cliff to hit his desk for months but the representative were locked in a negative response that they would not vote on any Bill that raised taxes on the rich, the President even raise his request from 250.000 to 4oo,o00in order to get a Bill that he would sign and the Congress balked at that they wanted a Bill with no new taxes for the rich and he told them he would not sign a Bill that didn’t raise the taxes on the rich, so he took a vacation in his home state when the Congress he came back in between all this Boehner trie to put a Bill that would raise taxes on people earning more than a million which would been rejected by the Democrats as it was some Democrats were mad at Obama because he allowed the Republicans to get him to accept astart at 400.000 instead of 250.000. however, Boehner plan B was rejected by the Republicans because the majority of Republicans because they wanted no taxes so the wait dragged on finally when they saw that Obama would not give in, one day after the Fiscal Cliff the Senate came up with a Bill that forced the Congress to accept to save face to their constituents the Senate passed the Bill 89-6 so any Senator that says he only had six minutes is lying the six was four Repub and two Demos, s all the bastard that say that Obama was doing nothing are lying sons-o-bitches and the need to learn at least a littlebit about how the Representation works in this country. The President proposes a Bill then its up to the Congress write it and send it to the Senate the Senate reads it and it either passes it or sends it back to the Congress to correct it once corrected the Senatethen reviews it and if passed it gos to the President for his signature, he can either accept it or veto it but he cannot make law. So please before you accuse Obama of not enacting a law, he cannot do that accept under extenuating circumstances. read the Constitution of the United States and quit blaming the President for something not in his power. that why have three branches of Government. for people like Lana, Space and all the others read the laws of your country and stop making stupid asses of yourselves.

    • SpaceVegetable

      One word, dearie: paragraphs.

      The president is the one pushing to penalize people for having the audacity to be successful and earn wealth. That’s supposed to be what the American Dream is all about, but the Democrats want to keep it a dream so they can control you. They want people to be dependent on government, like sheep, so they can gain more power over them. People who earn their success are not as easy to control.

      The top 25% of income earners pay 86% of all income taxes (see the IRS web site for confirmation). Still that’s not enough for the greedy leeches.

      As for Obama enacting laws, what about all those “executive orders”, eh? You think removing the work requirement from welfare or unilaterally passing his amnesty for illegals wasn’t an attempt to buy votes? Sorry, but if you buy that, I’ve got a bridge to see you cheap.

      As for oil companies, they’re already some of the most heavily taxed and regulated companies out there. The government takes in almost 5 times as much on a gallon of gas than any oil company makes in profit.

      But of course, because I disagree with Obama and have actual facts behind my reasons, you’ll just come back with name calling and insults, insisting I’m a bigot or an idiot (I’m not, by the way). Typical of liberal “tolerance.” They’re only tolerant if you agree with them.

      • WhutHeSaid

        Liar.

        Obama never removed any welfare work requirement. I’d demand that you back up your lying claim by citing the law or executive order, but I know you can’t cite what doesn’t exist.

        The top 25% SHOULD pay 86% of taxes because they have MORE than 86% of the income. That includes me, but I’m thoughtful enough to understand that you don’t strangle the goose that lays the golden eggs — in this case the middle class.

        Of course you don’t want to pay more because you’re greedy. You can admit it — it’s not against the law. For the life of me I can’t understand why you greedy deadbeats spend so much time constructing elaborate lies — just admit what you are and be done with it. We already know anyway.

        By the way, have you ever heard of oil subsidies? Apparently not. Please either dream up some better whoppers or just give up the ridiculous game you’re playing. Nobody is stupid enough to fall for your whoppers.

        Lastly, there are many people who disagree with Obama about many things that don’t get called ‘bigot’. People here can spot a bigot when they see one – congratulations.

        • dtgraham

          The top 25% pay about 67 to 68% of all taxes paid, based on earning 64 to 65% of all income. It’s not 86%. I hope her accountant keeps a close reign on things. She has corporations paying no taxes at all because taxes are an expense? Her accountant probably mentioned non capital losses of other years being deductible one time, and she confused that. She then rolls taxes paid into cost-of-goods sold as though that’s a direct manufacturing cost and believes there is such a thing as cost-of-service sold.

  • bchrista

    I DON’T know what country Space Vegetable and all these other people live in, someone sold them a bill of goods and they bought it hook, line and, sinker, they keep complaining that Obamacare is costing them a fortune and that’s impossible because as I understand it it doesn’t take effect until 2014 and word has it that it will be twicked some more before the public is introduced to it, someone is being sold a bad bill of goods hum once again Obama is the culprit he’s collecting money for something that isn’t in service yet. If I were these people that it’s effecting I would be on the look out for someone trying to sell me the Empire State Building or the Brooklin Bridge or maybe even the london Tunnel or how about Big Ben if you are paying for Obamacare now then you sure are in the market for the afore mentioned.

    • SpaceVegetable

      Sorry, but I”ve read the bill and run the numbers to see the effects once all of Obamacare kicks in. I look at facts, not media headlines. I also have the advantage of seeing the Mass. version of Obamacare, which resulted in tripling of my insurance premiums since it was enacted. I’m not going to argue with you clueless wonders who get your “facts” from headlines and don’t bother to even review the other side of an issue. I read articles from many different sources with many different political leanings. I assemble facts, then make up my mind. The facts tell me I will be paying a whole lot more because of Obamacare. I don’t claim the US system is perfect, but Obamacare makes it worse. I actually believe they did that on purpose so they could swooop in and “rescue” us with single-payer (like all those socialist countries you guys so admire) – which is what they wanted to begin with.

      The big problem is that you guys say “See! They have free/cheap health care!” Unfortunately, you fail to take into account the enormous taxes they have to pay for that benefit. Sorry, but I’ll take my private insurance that lets *me* control what kind of care I can get over government-run health care any day.

      • WhutHeSaid

        So post your Obamacare ‘numbers’ here. Let’s see the so-called analysis.

  • bchrista

    Like I said before health care is cheaper out side the United States and if you are a resident of that perticular country health care is free. The only thing that the United States just recently passed a lwa requiring better hygene in hospitals some were not found to be so clean careless in handling the patents. You know I have injoyed posting comments in the National Memo until recently and I found that people will post lies in order to make themselves sound important Iam pretty sure that other pundits have also caught it what the reason I don’t know a lot of [eople don’t know that a similuar system has been in use in the state of Mass. and no complaints plus the fact that Obamacare has not been implimented in the United States yet, it does not take effect until 2014, that was done to give the States time in order to intergrate it into their system also Obama said that the system would be twicked until it was the product that he wanted so that the poor would have access to it but what puzzles me is how is it that so many people are complaining about paying for a system that hasn’t been put into use saying that it’s costing them too much money whoever they’re paying isn’t selling them Obamacare, when they finally figure that out I see some very irate people. I’m sure Obama will be blamed for their lack of being aware of wat is going on serves them right. If they had been more alert and paying attention to what they were doing instead of trying to blame everything on the President they wouldn’t have been lure by some smart con.

  • bchrista

    HEY (INTHENAMEOFLIBERTY) the best answer I have several health issues also but I know that I will never be completely healed because the Pharmecutical companies have a Billion dollar industry going and they pay lobyest to stay in the ear of the Representatives and although we can’t prove it any medication that could cure Diabeties, Sleep Apnea .Cancer and a lot of other deseases that could be cured with medication can be bought cheaper in Canada’s is not allowed because they would lose billions. Right now they have gotton our Representatives to pass a law that it is elligal to buy medication from Canada because any one can buy their medication one third price or cheaper. For instance I use Byetta and Spiriva here hen I am not in the Cap they cost me $240-250 each, in Canada probably $45 any time and any other medication I need would be a lot cheaper but big business won’t allow it, so would my bill if I had to check into a Hospital. and people wonder how the rich got richer and they are prepared to go to war it you talk about the rich say they should pay higher taxes because they have been making tremendous amount of money off our backs with lifting a finger

  • bchrista

    You know guys I thought I had found a reasonable person that I could exchange some intellegent conversation with boy did he fool me (INTHENAMEOFLIBERTY) turns out to be as big an asshole and fruity as Lana Wardand just as big of a jackass any reasonable person would check the facts before making some of the statements Lana and inthename made on this edition of The National Memo and having read most of their posts I would suggest that they move to another country that pleases them more and the Ruler or Dictator or whatever they call the man in charge is not a black man because they sound very unsatisfied with our country and things are not going for a while I was giving inthenameoflibertyalot of slack until he made the remark that Obama himself didn’t kill Osama Bin Laden himself that was as stupid a remark as anyone has ever made he must be living in 1700-1800 or earlier win the rulers of their respective country went out on the battle field and fought the battles by leading like King Aurther or Attila the Hun when someone starts making remarks like that I become leary of them, dude that’s why Obama is the leader of the Armed Forces to order them where to go and take care of them enemy. That’s what Bush forgot because had Osama’s family living with him so instead he went after the man who made an ass of his Daddy the leader of the Iraqi people and left Osama to keep doing his terrorist shit I guess that is your number one Hero all losers Republicans, Bush, Cheney, Norquist, Boehner, McConnell and all the other assholes that have kept is in the hole and for Lana since she is so stupid Obama faced an Obstructionest Congress that swore to make him a one term President and everything fh proposed was denied ,in fact some of his jobs bills are still pending because they wouldn’t pass them and that’s who you people are defending you are losers just like them.

    • lana ward

      Do you approve of Obama having the terrorists muslim brotherhood working in the WH? It’s true, check it out before you go on one of your rants!!

    • SpaceVegetable

      Why do you guys keep bringing up Obama’s race? Just because people don’t agree with them, doesn’t make them bigots. And why is the fact that 95+% of black people voting for Obama not considered racist, hmm?

      The house sent more than 30 budgets to vote, but Harry Reid refused to put them up for voting. Sorry pal , Obama and company own that. You can’t blame Bush any more. Obama has accomplished nothing but dividing the country. Checl out Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and you’ll see where Obama is getting his tactics.

  • bchrista

    Again (inthenameofliberty) makes another asshole statement and quotes none other than another Asshole Paul Ryan about the execution of Gadaffi claiming that Nazi war criminals were tried before executions and Gadaffi wasn’t given a fair trial, if he wasn’t I don’t know what you call it he was tried by a jury of his peers his own people and to feel guilty about executing a bastard that was guilty of genoside, he killed thousands of people including thousands of his own people and they feel sorry for his now I know him and Lana and Paul Ryan belong in the loony house and don’t stop at go and collect 100 dollars. may God watch over you people they say he watches over the poor and the lost. you guys need help.

    • lana ward

      God can’t watch over the country when he’s not allowed. Remember the dems have taken him out of everything. He’s watching over certain individuals(Christians) but he can’t watch over what he’s not allowed to watch over

    • Inthenameofliberty

      My reply didn’t seem to post from yesterday. I’ll try one more time…..never in my post did I type ‘ Paul Ryan’.
      Seems that when you read, you get a bit excited. Don’t worry, happens to me, too.

      I said “RON PAUL” – world of difference between the two men. One I WANTED for my country. The other, NOPE. Ron Paul – I have learned a lot from listening to that man. I don’t agree with everything that he says. But I find him to be brilliant.

      Ron Paul, bchrista – not Paul Ryan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F3VQS5EFO3CH5C5Y77QSQFTIYE Meg

    Would rather have Scott Brown than Elizabeth Warren any day…but that is why I moved OUT of Massachusetts ten years ago!!!

    • WhutHeSaid

      No doubt the entire state thanks you for lowering the Tea Bigot population.

  • oOcupcakeOo

    Brown is from here Warren is not end of story… MA made a big mistake just as we did a couple of governors ago.

  • htophet

    Can not see a single reason to even think about Brown running, he represents Massachusetts like McCain does, Zilch! Better they run the retired gay congress person, at least he will vote for the people, not wall street. As for the gop backers of traitors whats new, I say if they can not even pay taxes they should not be able to run for office! Their is not a single gop type that anyone wants anyway, we already have enough of the do-nothing, racists packed party of pedophiles international corporate bought dogs! Let Brown run for dog catcher in Simi Valley, he does not qualify for a state that has a true american love of democracy, and besides Brown has a proven record as a do nothing, better he stays retired and let the Governor pick the congress guy to fill the other senate seat, he’s qualified! Imagine Massachusetts with two senators working against wall street and for their citizens,a win-win situation! The gop should give up on the north after the constant denials of help for Sandy! Another reason why it is better to have democratic senators is they will have forgiven by the time the unprepared Texas has another annual catastrophic event! The GOP suck and are not worthy of any consideration!

  • Blue Ridge

    I guess it’s still legal to bilk Native Americans out of what is rightfully theirs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bmlussier Barbara M. Lussier

    why would you say that Scott Brown got ugly, to get more people to read your rather lame article, get real

  • Inthenameofliberty

    What’s with you and the ‘bigot’ thing? You are fixated on that word.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Yes. Do not confuse him with me. Thanks.
    He’s nicer. Don’t take your dislike of me out on him.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    That is a very good question.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Google it and review the different medical web sites that are available. It is so scary. I work with animals……the rate of cancer death is incredible and occurring in younger and younger cats and dogs – I am very sensitive to this issue. Clients’ children are being diagnosed with leukemia at alarming rates. Deaths of children being posted by my friends on Fbook – makes my want to live somewhere else. I have seen speakers quote that you have a 4-times more like chance of developing cancer if you move to the USA (a speaker discussing GMO foods). It may be time to move to Canada……..

  • Inthenameofliberty

    See- I know he’s done good things. I never said he was all bad. Just that he broke campaign promises that were important to me and led me to distrust him.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    I am reserving judgement – we shall see what the next 4 years will bring. Peace be with you as well.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    If you were a business owner who toiled 60-80 hours a week and put all their savings on the line to make that business work……you don’t want someone to tell you “YOU DIDN”T BUILD THAT”. Obama should have chosen his words better. What he said was condescending and a slap in the face to small business owners.

    I don’t think he meant what he said, which is why I just let that one go. But I think small business owners have a real right to be pissed at Obama’s arrogance at that one.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Seriously bchrista – you don’t even know who RON PAUL is – you confuse him with PAUL RYAN?
    Jesus christ – you live in a friggin bubble, don’t you?

  • Inthenameofliberty

    You are right. Lobbyists need to go……seems that I remember Obama saying something to that effect on the campaign trail back in the day……but not his time around.
    You are correct about much of what you just wrote.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    Oh no, now. Get your facts straight. My family is in the human health care profession. The hospitals and insurance companies are preparing – and yes, some rates are already rising because of it. I have already said multiple times on this site that I am reserving judgment. Calm down.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    And it would have looked a whole lot better if there hadn’t been those special interest tax breaks – I can not figure out who got the breaks in for hollywood and nascar – do you know?

  • Blue Ridge

    She admitted it.

  • lousgirl84

    Brown is the bottom of the dung heap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Hallinan/100000970179376 Terry Hallinan

    “Elizabeth Warren was sworn in Thursday as the junior U.S. senator from the state of Massachusetts, after more than a decade of fighting against the burden of usurious debt burden on the middle class.”

    Then there is no debt burden on the working class?

    Do tell.

  • Gene Whitman

    I am not a Bill Weld fan, but he will be a formidable foe for any democrat running against him..hmmm, the more I think about it, if he runs against Markey, i just might…

  • http://www.facebook.com/cdijkhuyzen Carol Dijkhuyzen

    Any republican will lose!No more republican governing us in teh Bay State…We have enough of the ungrateful Romney that loser offshore,calling us ,as awful constituents after handing him the governorship!

  • http://www.facebook.com/silence.dogood.9212 Silence Dogood

    Of the two, Scott Brown is not the ugly one.

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