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Sunday, September 25, 2016

Republicans — who are generally well trained in the art of repeating talking points — just don’t know what to say about immigration reform.

Last week, Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) came out for a “path to citizenship” and seemed to come out for the Senate’s comprehensive immigration reform bill, which passed with 68 votes last month. A few hours later, a Walker aide made it clear that the governor wasn’t endorsing the Senate bill, and he wasn’t opposing it either.

Walker then decided to move on signing a bill that included something all small-government Republicans agree on: state-mandated ultrasounds.

As a serious frontrunner for the 2016 GOP nomination (he really is… I know it’s hard to believe, but he is), Walker is keenly aware that the billionaires and millionaires who would have to fund his campaign all support immigration reform now — not in 2015 when the presidential campaign has already begun and the GOP can’t risk the kind of comic YouTube-able xenophobia that’s bound to come out of certain House members’ mouths during the debate.

Yes, I mean you, Rep. Steve King (R-IA).

But Walker also knows that the populist wing of his party — who see immigrants as “them”; lazy un-Americans who will suck off the government teat so hard that they’ll ingest “my Medicare!” — may soon rise up and destroy reform because it can even get a vote in the House, as they did in 2007. That’s what populist candidates for the 2016 GOP nomination, senators Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), are counting on.

You may remember that last week, unserious frontrunner for Fox News’ Employee of the Year Sarah Palin threatened to help divide the GOP over “amnesty” in the name of Ronald Reagan — the one president who signed a bill that granted “amnesty.”

And we know that is the kind of argument that works in today’s GOP because it’s clearer and clearer that Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) doesn’t have the votes or the courage to pass a reform bill that could get through the Senate.

That’s why the last Republican president who tried to grant undocumented immigrants citizenship has decided it’s time to weigh in.

Yes, America’s least popular ex-president, George W. Bush, did an interview with ABC’s This Week and is holding an immigration event at his presidential center on Wednesday, the exact day House Republicans begin to consider immigration reform.

It’s unclear whether Bush will endorse the Senate bill, which is in many ways similar to the 2007 legislation he backed, but the ex-president has been consistently supportive of reform for the “right reason,” he claims.

 “The right reason is it’s important to reform a broken system. I’m not sure a right reason is that in so doing we win votes,” Bush said, in May. “I mean, when you do the right thing, I think you win votes, as opposed to doing something that’s the right thing to win votes. Maybe there’s no difference there. It seems like there is to me, though.”

LOL. Do you miss him yet?

  • sunmusing

    I think we are seeing the “vetting” of Cruz, Rubio, and Paul before they pile into the clown car…Their Hate and Fear platform will be as successful as last time…I fear that I hate the GOP…

    • stcroixcarp

      Don’t forget Scott Walker, the college dropout,liar and crook, in your mix.

      • sunmusing

        There are more than can be mentioned in such a short time…But the GOP sure luvs their corruption…

        • plc97477

          That is the one thing they are good at.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Is that right? Walker’s a dropout?

    • dadhoover

      I agree with you whole heartedly, Due to their religious roots and biases against compromise because ‘god never changes’ and neither should we (they), i fully expect them to stay dug in (except for the more moderate republicans who cannot seem to get their voices) with that digging in I hope there comes a recoil away from them among the voters especially in 2014. god i hope we retake the house.

      • plc97477

        If the gop continues to be the party of stupid it shouldn’t be much of a problem.

        • rkief

          I don’t agree with the”stupid,” Dad, but venal and greedy, yes! They still use the Rove /Tom de Lay playbook, totally deceitful and hypocritical, but with which they fool a lot of voters. It is the voters who buy their product who are stupid.

          • plc97477

            I wasn’t the one that came up with the stupid moniker that was Jindal. You will have to complain to him.

          • DownriverDem

            Makes you wonder when those voters are going to get it.
            Will it happen after repubs take away their SS and Medicare?
            After we were sold the 401K lie of how great things will be if we just give up our pensions, will these voters get it after they have been kicked to the curb? Will their hate trump their well being?

      • charleo1

        I’m biased. But, I truly believe the Country is with us on that.
        I can’t believe most traditional Republicans, and Indies, see
        Boehner and the GOP takeover, with the T-Party, in the
        House, as a positive change. In fact, Democrats received
        more than a million more votes for seats in the House, as did
        Republicans. (2012) But, it’s that digging in you mentioned.
        They have managed to insulate so many of the seats, by
        gerrymandering their districts, they may have managed to
        entrench the disfunction that’s killing them with the public.
        Just wait. Another reauthorization to raise the debt ceiling
        is coming up. If the T-Party can’t be prevented from causing
        a crisis. If they think they’re at the top of a lot of shit lists now….

        • DownriverDem

          Who are these traditional repubs you talk about? I don’t believe any exist any more. I also don’t understand why folks don’t realize that the repub party is not their father’s party. If a repub does speak of compromise, they are threatened with being primaried by a teabagger. What’s weird though is who do the repubs think they are going to get to re-grow their party?

          • charleo1

            They are out there. They both nominated, and voted for
            Mitt Romney. But, they are certainly learning they no longer
            have a voice in a Party they remain emotionally invested in.
            But, it’s not so apparent to many of them, just how irreparably
            changed the primary process has become. And, it’s taking
            down the old guard, and tearing apart the Party, more with
            every election cycle. The effects being strongest at the State
            level, then, the House of the U.S. Congress. And it’s eating
            upward into the Senate. If any of the former Party is to be saved. It will be by these inhabitants of the center right.

          • Sand_Cat

            They’re called the Democratic Party.

      • DownriverDem

        Moderate repubs? Any repubs in 2013 that claim to be moderates, makes me question their sanity. The whole NE part of the country left the repub party and they were solidlly repub. I really really want them to lose to Hillary and sweep in more Dems so we can move forward.

  • Carol Dijkhuyzen

    Rand Snowden Paul,supporting this traitor….speaking of tea patriots?Tea idiots they are…

    • dadhoover

      MANY OF WE DEMOCRATS AND PATRIOTIC AMERICANS SUPPORT SNOWDEN TOO, WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE BEING DONE A FAVOR BY SHINING A LIGHT ON GOVERNMENT SECRECY.

      • charleo1

        You may be happy to know, or not. China is also doing it’s part,
        shining it’s own light on our government’s secrecy. Last month they hacked into a Department of Defense website, and hundreds of billions of dollars worth of research, blueprints included, in the next generation
        of several of our newest weapons systems, now belong to them, for
        virtually nothing. Including the defense system, that keeps our aircraft carriers, on which we base a good deal of our navel strategy, from becoming obsolete. Because, their new generation of land to sea/ air to sea, missiles with this valuable information, could beat the defense
        that makes the carrier battle group possible. So, before you guys get
        too self righteous, about your government’s being all open, and above
        board. You canelebrate guys like Snowden, But, keep in mind, you can do that because we’re still a free Country. In spite of guys like Snowden

        • dadhoover

          And this has what to do with our government retaining metadata from billions of everyday innocent citizens around the world who have absolutely no military reason for being snooped on ? I SUGGEST THAT OUR GOVERNMENT SPEND THEIR TIME AND SNOOPING EFFORTS / DOLLARS ON REAL PROBLEMS LIKE THIS CHINA HACKING RATHER THAN TRYING TO CONTROL THE WORLDS EVERYDAY CITIZENS DATA WHICH IS WAY OVERKILL AND ILLEGAL AS HELL. QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE BS THEY ARE DOING IN OUR NAMES AND SUPPOSEDLY TO KEEP US SAFE !!!!! THE MORE OVER REACHING WE GET THE MORE UNNECESSARY ENEMIES WE MAKE, THIS F’N SYSTEM DIDN’T EVEN CATCH THE BOSTON BOMBERS EVEN THOUGH WE WERE WARNED ABOUT THEM.

          THE US THINKING IS THE WORLDS BIG DADDY OVERSEE’R HAS GONE WAY TOO DAMN FAR !!! CAN’T YOU PEOPLE SEE HOW BADLY THIS IS ALL BACKFIRING ? THE WORLD KNOWS THAT A GOOD DEAL OF THIS IS FOR US CORPORATE ADVANTAGE COMPLIMENTS OF NSA SNOOPING AND THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DO A GOOGLE ON THAT ONE !!!!! THAT WAY YOU MAY STUMBLE ONTO OTHER INFORMATION AGAINST WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO DEFEND.

          AND NOW OF COURSE SINCE YOU DON’T LIKE READING THE TRUTH, BE SURE TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ABOUT LARGER THAN NORMAL PRINT AS YOUR EXCUSE FOR BEING AGAINST WHAT I’VE EXPOSED. LOL

          • charleo1

            All I’m saying is, there’s a lot of erroneous info, being
            injected into the issue. For reasons that have nothing to do
            with protecting American’s privacy. And, It’s my opinion, you’re
            way out ahead of yourself, about what is actually known, and
            what some people are supposing they know, and presenting it as fact. For example, I don’t think it’s clear at all in this case, that Americans know Snowden has done them a favor. In fact,
            I don’t believe any patriotic Americans would consider giving
            a terrorist a piece of classified information, that would facilitate
            a successful attack. I certainly do not believe you would knowingly do so, I get the feeling, even if your life was in the balance, you would not do so. Yet, that may have been the
            very result of Snowden’s actions. Wait. Be smart. That’s all
            I’m saying.

          • DownriverDem

            You’ve lost it.

        • sleepvark

          I tend to discount rumors of China stealing US secrets at any time and from any source. We have such a long history of imbecilic treatment of Chinese Americans that I can only laugh at stories like the new hacking efforts you bring up. The FBI and INS have proven to be total idiots in their approach to this topic. This is nothing new. Ever since the red scare madness of the McCarthyist 50’s and 60’s, these agencies have done their best to do the stupidest things to our people of asian extraction.
          We have a talent for gathering geniuses from all over the world. They quite often speak english with funny accents. We’ve grown accustomed to German and Russian accents, but an Asian with a Chinese accent just sends our security people into bizzaro world. Starting with Chian Xuesen, a full colonel in the US army who was the only American qualified to interrogate Werner Von Braun, we have deported Asian geniuses on a regular and recurring basis because of an overpowering fear that they might have communist leanings. The secrets they took with them to China were discoveries and designs they themselves had come up with.
          The Chinese have no need to spy on us. They just have to wait a very short while for us to deport another genius.
          We make it so easy for them. If we as a nation ever fail for lack of security of classified info, it will be entirely our own doing.

        • Sand_Cat

          If our government has to act like China’s to “protect” our freedoms, what’s the point? Seems to me that’s where we’re headed

          • charleo1

            Well, This government has never seen a perfect day.
            But, i think it’s worst day, still beats China’s best one.
            Let’s hold off harding our opinions until this NSA stuff
            becomes more clear. As I believe it will. (My opinion)

          • DownriverDem

            Just remember repubs put it all in place under W. It was out there and known. I knew as soon as a Dem became president, they would be attacked for doing what W did. Makes you wonder about Snowden’s motives.

      • oldtack

        Do you know one thing about Security? Do you know one whit about the process of digesting information to thwart attacks and protect this Country you seem to enjoy? Do you know one iota of anything transpiring on the Global scene that threatens our very existence? Or do you espouse the popular philosophy of digesting ourselves of the NEA, FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security and placing our safety in the hands of ourselves and fellow mankind and hope for the best?

        • dadhoover

          Read buddy READ !!!! FROM THOSE WHO KNOW>>>”the past two weeks, I have lost count of the number of officials and government ministers who, when challenged about internet surveillance by GCHQ and the NSA, try to reassure their citizens by saying that the spooks are “only” collecting metadata, not “content”. Only two conclusions are possible from this: either the relevant spokespersons are unbelievably dumb or they are displaying a breathtaking contempt for their citizenry.

          In a way, it doesn’t matter which conclusion one draws. The fact is that,as I argued two weeks ago, the metadata is what the spooks want for the simple reason that it’s machine-readable and therefore searchable. It’s what makes comprehensive internet-scale surveillance possible.

          Why hasn’t there been greater public outrage about the cynicism of the “just metadata” mantra?

          One explanation is that most people imagine that metadata isn’t really very revealing and so they’re not unduly bothered by what NSA and its overseas franchises are doing. If that is indeed what they believe, then my humble suggestion is that they think again.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/07/nsa-gchq-metadata-reassurances?CMP=ema_565

          • oldtack

            What are you reading from? Google? Drudge Report? /Have you ever worked in Security? Have you ever worked with data bases? Do you know jack shit about anything pertaining to security? Your blathering only reveals one thing – that you have no knowledge except what you glean from other people’s opinions. You are pathetic.

          • dadhoover

            Look up what Ellsberg has to day about this erosion of rights and freedoms to supposedly keep us safe. Do you know anything about history of such government secrecy when it comes to peoples personal lives ? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ALL THE BS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS DOING IN OUR NAMES THAT IS CAUSING WHAT THE CIA LABELED BLOWBACK TERRORISM FROM INTERFERING AROUND THE WORLD IN OTHER COUNTRY’S BUSINESS TO FORWARD OUR INTERESTS, OVER THEIRS ? READ MY FRIEND, OUR GOVERNMENTS ACTIONS OF INTERFERENCE AND SUCH THINGS AS GOING TO WAR OVER LIES HAS BROUGHT ABOUT MORE TERRORISM. WHEN WE STOP TERRORIZING WITH OUR DRONES AND ILLEGAL WARS, WATCH THE TERRORISM DROP. WAKE UP, THIS IS ACTION AND REACTION, LOOK UP ALL OUR INTERFERENCE WITH IRAN SINCE THE EARLY 50’s. ALL THE BS IS BACKFIREING, NO AMOUNT OF SNOOPING ON INNOCENT AMERICANS WILL STOP TERRORISM, BUT STOPPING OUR OWN TERRORIZING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH DRONES KILLING THEIR KIDS AND WIVES WILL GO A LONG WAYS TO STOP THE BLOWBACK. ITS KINDA LIKE IF YOU HIT ME IN MY NOSE, I AM LIKELY TO HIT YOU IN YOURS AND MAYBE ADD YOUR BALLS TOO, LOL JUST AN EXAMPLE, BUT ACTIONS HAVE REACTIONS. WE PRETTY MUCH STARTED THIS MESS BY INTERFERENCE. READ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Howard15

            Have you wondered why we have not had another 9/11? It is absolutrely remarkable that with the tens of thousands of terrorists in the world and millions of soft targets that we have not seen more terrorism like in Isreal. Obviously the system is working extremely well. And quit yelling, it is immature,

          • dadhoover

            buddy 9-11 wouldn’t have happened either if bush had headed warnings

            have you wondered why boston happened if nsa snooping had worked so good ? so far we have not one stitch of evidence that nsa snooping has stopped one problem. war on terrow terror is a farce we stop drone terror and interferring around the world and most terrorism would end

          • DownriverDem

            Ellsberg did not leave the country. Snowden is an embarrassment to our country. You need a new news source.

          • DownriverDem

            Most folks figure if you bought anything on the internet or use the internet your info it out there for all to see. You are over reacting.

      • elw

        This is not about Snowden, go back and read the article. Your off topic.

        • DownriverDem

          I think it is about Snowden if folks support him.

      • DownriverDem

        Hey dad, I don’t support Snowden. And if anyone was paying attention,
        Snowden just said what was already out there. It was already known. Now all I see is Snowden just embarrassing our country. Wake up.

  • ORAXX

    If the GOP was really trying to save itself, it would start by undoing the legacy of George Bush and Karl Rove.

    • thejman7

      Ha!

    • BDC_57

      I think thats the wrong team to save the gop. Isn’t they the ones that got gop in this mess.

      • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

        Yep. And they did it by marginalizing all the other Republicans who could have been Bush opponents (like John McCain in 2000). Unfortunately for Rove, his 1000-year Reich was domed from the start, based more on a cult of personality than he intended. Dubya was the likeable big brother who daddy let borrow the keys to the Ferrari once too often. As long as Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld could keep him focused, they would get their message across. Unfortunately for them, they also had to deal with Colin Powell, Condi Rice and John Ashcroft. Rumsfeld and Cheney showed their incompetence in their failure to plan for a victory in Iraq. They also showed their incompetence by not planting evidence to support the statements they had Powell make before the UN.
        The other problem they had was Dubya insisted on leading from the front. By becoming a magnet for criticism, it focused extra attention on C, R and R, along with Al Gonzalez. Also, by keeping Cheney as his VP in 2004 and not showing favoritism to anyone else, Dubya doomed any potential Republican successor in 2008. Cheney didn’t want the job, and any other Republican running also had to run against Dubya’s policies. Had Rove latched himself to someone with less of a forward personality, he may have succeeded. Now, everyone knows better than to trust the author of the dirty tricks and swift boating.

  • dadhoover

    A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN>>>BUSH’S ‘TURD BLOSSOM’ as he used to call Rove SHOULD DO A ‘BANG UP JOB OF FURTHER RUINING THEIR PARTY.

    HAVE AT IT FELLA’S

    • DownriverDem

      Stop yelling. You need a new site to take your views to.

  • Dominick Vila

    What is becoming readily apparent to me is that after their embarrassing defeat in 2012 the GOP is desperately trying to change its image by moving to the center-right. Unfortunately for them, the efforts being made by their leaders is falling in deaf ears when we hear the incendiary rhetoric from the rank and file who remain intent on preserving the status quo at all cost, even if it means going down in flames.

    • Lovefacts

      I don’t believe the rank and file of the GOP is deaf. However, I do think it only listens and hears rhetoric that’s filled with hate, fear, and extremism.

      • DownriverDem

        Repubs are either rich or ignorant.

    • Annemb

      Great post!

      Hi Dominick Vila! How are you?

      • Dominick Vila

        I am doing great. A little tired after attending my grandson’s wedding yesterday.

        • Annemb

          Auguri!

          Mille benedizioni a lei e la famiglia.

          • Dominick Vila

            Mile gratiae, ma la mia famigliae e de Espagne.

          • Annemb

            Scusami I should have realized it. Sorry about that.

            Muchas gracias!

            Have a great day.

          • Charlotte de Dios

            Really? My father was from Leon, Spain; my mother from Mexico!

          • Dominick Vila

            My Dad was born in the Canary Islands, but my roots are from Galicia and the Basque land.

    • Sand_Cat

      Center-Right is already taken by Obama and most of the Democrats in government.

      • DownriverDem

        Have you been in a coma? Just ask millions of women how we feel. You have no clue.

        • Sand_Cat

          Wow, I state a fact and I get nailed for something that seems (to me) out of the blue and completely unrelated.
          I am well aware of how the far right views and treats women, and how even lukewarm support for slightly progressive causes is a vast improvement. Just don’t see where the anger comes from, or at least why it’s directed at me.

    • Fern Woodfork

      Too Little To Late!! Good Bye And Good Riddance!!

    • lana ward

      Bush is more popular right now than Obama

      • rkief

        At least we know where Bush mistakenly stands, which is more than I can say for Obama, for whom I voted twice; Dubya screwed up when he tried to warn me, saying, “Fool me once…..”

      • DownriverDem

        Are you a paid troll?

        • Sand_Cat

          Nah. If he/she were getting paid, I’m sure the payee would have long since realized he/she is being made a laughingstock and fired lana.

        • lana ward

          No, I’m not a paid troll, are you

      • Charlotte de Dios

        And that matters, why?

        • lana ward

          Just thought you’d like to know. People are changing their minds about that fraud in the WH

  • JDavidS

    Bush and Rove to save the GOP? Isn’t that a bit like having the “Happy Hooker” extol the virtues of virginity?

  • Catskinner

    Nothing speaks louder about the need for a viable third party than this.

    • charleo1

      All it takes is one or two Republicans to care about their Party, and their
      Country enough, to stand up with their own careers on the line, and speak
      the truth about the T-Party. And what it is going to do the GOP, if they don’t
      wrench it out of their control. For too long, they’ve played essentially a safe
      game. Look at Boehner. Does it seem his Country, or his Speakership is more important to him? Sometimes you can’t always just apply a little clever finessing, and fix things. Sometimes, when you put yourself out front as a
      leader, the circumstances require you to be one. Mitch McConnell is scared to death of the primary he’s got coming up. Because of the outrageously Right Winged, hate spewing idiot, he knows will be waiting for him. Calling for more discrimination, and more hostility, and less opportunity for the majority of Kentuckians. But, he’s clearly not as concerned the decisions he’s made as minority leader, will be the best for the Country. As he’s worried the decisions he’s made, will be characterized as working with President Obama, or the Democrats. He is suffering from the same malady that is killing the majority of the GOP. Fear. Fear that by doing their jobs, using their best judgement, and leading as they were elected to do, will get them fired. And, keeping their jobs, instead of doing their jobs, for too long has been the prime directive, and the guiding force that has brought them to the brink of the disintegration of their Party. So who will have the courage of their convictions to call out the Rand Pauls, and Ted Cruzs’ that are ushering
      the GOP to it’s own political funeral? Who will publicly identify the ignorance of the big mouthed, comedians of the Party? The Louie Gomerts, and Steve Kings, Who cost the GOP brand more of it’s credibility, and thousands of prospective votes, from serious Americans, every time they go on National
      T.V.? Who will have the guts to say to them, shut up, you’re hurting the Party? Who will prove the GOP hasn’t sold itself out for so long, it no longer represents clear headed, thought out, Conservatism, capable of finding consensus using it’s tried, and true principals that made America the envy of the world? And not this syphilitic, street whore, pre- packaged, and pimped out by professional con men, and obvious liars, like Karl Rove. Or, big money operations with ridiculous names like, “Americans for Prosperity.” Financed by clearly self serving, greed monsters, like Charles, and David Koch. Who
      care nothing for this Country, or it’s prosperity. But seek to rig the system for their own benefit. And, how many Americans at this point, feel we’ve had enough of that? And all it takes is the courage to stand up, and do what the
      political leaders are supposed to do in a democracy. Speak for the people.
      The Roves, and Koch types will always find those who speak for them. And,
      as long as the Republican Party views that as their primary job, they will
      continue their march into the history books.

      • Catskinner

        The problem with your analysis, charleo1, is Rove, and the mythical Koch brothers are not on the same side as the Tea Party. The Tea Party really found its beginnings in challenging the Bush Administration for over spending. And that was spending the Koch’s and the Rove’s of the world liked very much.

        • metrognome3830

          But the problem with the Tea Party is that they don’t know what side they are on. They are still around only because Rove and the Koch Bros. can manipulate them. The Tea Party is not even a real party. It is a collection of loosely organized groups each with their own agenda. And Rove and the Kochs will tell them what that agenda is. Some of these Tea Party groups are only kept around as a lightning rod to draw the lightning strikes away from Rove and the Kochs.

          • Catskinner

            It seems to me there are two basic elements to the Tea Party. The original purpose was to contain runaway government spending. But then the right-wing-religious-wackos figured out they could get air time in front of television cameras if they came out to Tea Party events. The injection of the wackos into the original TP agenda not only blunted their purpose, but it brought on idiot candidates like Akin and Mourdock.

            It’s hard to know where it all goes from here, but it seems to me as though both elements of the current TP–wackoism and frugality–do not comport with what Rove and the neo-cons had in mind to begin with.

          • metrognome3830

            Yeah, I think they didn’t realize how difficult it would be to manipulate wackos, idiots and soulless misers.

          • Catskinner

            Frankly, I don’t think the original founders had any intention of manipulating anyone. They simply wanted to rein in government spending–and that included military spending along with all the rest. They aren’t, or weren’t soulless misers, rather they could see huge gobs of taxpayer money wasted and wanted it brought under control.

            The elements that came along later confused the issue, and mindlessly spouted off in public about things such as abortion, gay marriage and other issues that had nothing to do with government spending.

          • metrognome3830

            Exactly! But they ended up being manipulated by people with no ethics, no compassion and no interest in doing anything good for the country.

          • Catskinner

            I don’t think they were manipulated as much as overwhelmed. People in all walks of life in America can go forward with the very best of intentions and the mainstream media bends the public perception into a distortion that fits their own political agenda.

            Personally, I see the fault of all of this arising out of the inability of the American culture to educate its young people, combined with runaway immigration. If people leave school with a perverted interpretation of what’s actually going on in the world, there’s a very good chance they won’t get a grasp on reality until they’re over fifty years old. If they never went to school, chances are they never will know.

          • charleo1

            I think a lot of people, like myself, wondered why the T-Party
            people just found their budget pencils, only after John McCain lost the election to a Black guy. They claim they was out there. But, Bush, and the Republican Congress was cutting taxes, and running deficits, and running deficits, because of cutting taxes before 9/11. Bush was clearly a kid in a candy store, in the spring of 2001. When he announced the slight two year run of surpluses at the conclusion of the Clinton Administration, meant to him, “Americans had been overcharged.” Wasn’t that what the Administration that wound up tripling the National Debt, by the conclusion of it’s 8 year term, was saying in the first year of it’s term? Where were those people, with their, Funny hats, and their, “Don’t tread on me,” signs in 2004? When it was clear the Iraq war, that was, “sold,” to last 6 months, and have it’s costs covered by the sale of Iraqi oil. Looked like a Mad Max movie, with estimated costs now North of 1 trillion, with no end in sight? I don’t recall one, “Stop the Spending,” You’re turning us into Greece, sign, until the pooch was well screwed. The Wall Street Bankers had their Government cash. And the Black guy was in the white House, with a crumbling economy, 3/4 of the States looking at closing their doors. Because, they were like the rest of the Country, except the Wall Street Bankers. Flat on their asses broke, or getting there in a hurry. And, that’s when I first seen the T-Party. Demanding that incompetent bastard in the White House, quit spending money we didn’t have, and fix the mess he’d caused, before our money was worth nothing, and we became the first Communist Muslim, or vice versa, Muslim/Communist Country. And we all died, from Sharia Law, Death Panels.
            Or Death Panels, by Sharia Law. And the same people were
            supporting the now. “very austere and responsible,” T-Party.
            That were promoting the Birther, and Muslim crap.

          • Catskinner

            Charleo1, yes, I think most people think of the Tea Party in the same terms you describe, and I feel it’s unfortunate. What has become a reality in America, however, is perception has become reality because if the news media wants to promote an agenda it’s the one and only thing the pubic hears.

            I think the George W. Bush administration was a disaster. I was amazed when he won re-election in 2004. That having been said, I expected the Obama administration to make things better, and to me it seems like they’ve made everything worse.

  • mgcanmore

    Now THAT’S funny.

  • Lovefacts

    The GOP hammered the final nail in its coffin when the party leaders allowed their craven, Obama hate-filled rhetoric to set the stage for this element hijacked the GOP in 2010. Given the party leaders are spineless and allow these immature, loudmouths to control what happens on Capital Hill and they refuse to tone down their Obama bashing, I don’t see much hope for “saving” the Republican party or brand.

    IMO, these actions plus the extreme right has doomed the Republican Party to becoming the 21st Century’s Whig Party. As a rule, when one party dies, a new more centrist party will arise. If this happens, that party will absorb the sane Republicans.

    Of course, that presupposes sane and functional Republicans haven’t already bailed from the party and registered Independents. Which I believe has been going on for over a decade and explains why fewer people ID with the GOP.

  • FT66

    Whatever action “W”, Karl Rove, Scott Walker are taking now on Immigration Reform, is a ZERO Work. They do not need to talk to the media, what they need to do is to talk to the people of their own Party and convince them that an action is to be taken, now, now. Contrary to that, what they are doing, is totally wastage of their time.

    • dadhoover

      i just read that A NATIONAL ID is part of this immigration deal, this is an old NEO CON Idea of Cheneys and Company and I am totally against that, we have licenses, social security cards and passports and we do not need a National ID for the police state to further control us.

  • elw

    It is too late for the Republican Party of today. Those Republican States that have rushed to pass laws designed to surpress votes, requirements that make a legal abortion close to impossible to get, deny poor children, the elderly and disabled food and make LBGT people second class citizens have kill any respect or confidence in anyone who calls themselve a Republican. They may be able to play games on State level to twist things in their favor, but do you even think that anyone is going to forget what has taken place in Ohio, Wisconsin or any of the other places that have made an open assult on women, people of color, and the Constitution of the United States. There are many more of us than there are of them. We showed that in 2012 and will show it in 2014 and 2016. My only question is what that new 2nd party is going to look like?

  • Sand_Cat

    The only circumstances under which I want to see W and Rove get together is if someone decides to stake them out over adjoining fire ant mounds. They can add Dick Cheney and a few of the other criminals if they want to.

    • plc97477

      I wouldn’t mind seeing them trying to defend their crimes in court.

      • Sand_Cat

        More chance of the fire ant mounds than that.

  • CPAinNewYork

    Idiot Bush and fat pig Rove should keep out of politics forever. No one who’s not rich believes anything either of them says.

    The Republican Party is the party of the privileged few. Anyone not in that category is a fool for voting Republican.

  • howa4x

    The Koch bros are not altruistic and see that getting a bigger % of the Latino vote will help a right winger get the presidency and free them completely from environmental regulations. Bush being an oil man understands the needs of the 1% he helped to cement in place with his tax cuts for them. This has nothing to do with the welfare of the Latinos rather it is using them as pawns in the election map chess game. Walker is on the dole of the Koch’s so he will do their bidding whatever they ask. They all have the problem with the dopey base though. The tealiban see the Latinos as a threat the our national interest and will not budge on this issue. Most congressmen don’t depend on the largess of the Koch’s and are in safe districts, so I doubt they will go against their constituency who are anti immigrant. There will be intense pressure on Boehner to get a deal done and the only way he can possibly do it is with every democrat voting with him. That will alienate him from his own caucus, and threaten a revolt of the far right in congress. If the Latino population see that it’s the democrats that saved them in the house, then all the Koch money won’t help the GOP nominee. Especially if idiots like Gohmert, King and others start popping off in the press about what bottom feeding parasites the Latinos really are. Then it will be lights out for the GOP

  • bbuc

    So perfectly unlikable… all they need is Cheney The Dick to complete the unholy trio. May God damn them all for what they and their friends have done and are still doing to this country.

  • irishtap

    Wow – you know this group is FUX’d up when the cockroach ‘stool specimen’ Rove and the war criminal Bush are supposedly voices of reason. The GOP has self destructed from inviting in low brow riff-raff and embracing full blown corruption, for temporary advantage. They’ve become little more than a nonsensical morass of empty headed cartoon characters. Republicans are now fully owned subsidiaries of billionaires and mega – corporations, which program them how to vote – if they wish to keep their undeserved juicy paycheck and bennies. Rove and Bush to the rescue? God help us.
    We need ‘real’ republicans – the kind whom ultimately put the country first – to rebuild the current disgusting sewer system, we’ve been forced to smell as of late.

  • As usual the Republicans are thinking short term. What will preserve my current position in Congress? They seem incapable of thinking long term about what will save their party in the face of demographic change.

    This is the same way of thinking that is wrecking our economy. Corporate officials only think how they can increase this quarter’s bottom line, not what will improve the company’s long term position. In some cases the officials even think only about how they can increase their personal income, not about the corporation at all.

    If George W and Congress had been thinking before they invaded Afghanistan, let alone Iraq, they would have looked at the history of the region. There is a good reason why Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires. The British (or even the Russian) invasion of Afghanistan should have been a warning.

    The Republican Party will continue to be a smaller and smaller regional party with a smaller base of increasingly aging members. That does not mean they will not be dangerous while dying. Cornered predators are very dangerous.

  • Jim Myers

    What most of those who posted on this site seem to forget is this. George W Bush and Karl Rove did exactly what they were paid to do.

    They enacted MASSIVE tax cuts for the wealthy.

    They started two wars to the tune of Trillions of Dollars.

    They provided a means for those Trillions of Dollars to be transferred to a few select Military-Industrial companies.

    Granted, they caused a world-wide depression, but hey, that was a small price to pay for all the work they did.