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Friday, October 21, 2016

‘Gun Rights’ Leader Boasts, ‘We Snookered The Other Side’ On Manchin-Toomey Bill

Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey’s (R-PA) bipartisan compromise on expanding gun sale background checks was widely praised by gun safety advocates as an important reform, and slammed by the National Rifle Association as a step in the wrong direction. But at least one major gun group thinks that the conventional wisdom has it backwards.

Daylight Disinfectant has obtained video of Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, bragging that “we snookered the other side” by loading the Manchin-Toomey bill with pro-gun amendments.

“It’s a Christmas tree,” Gottlieb said to a Portland, OR crowd on Friday. “We just hung a million ornaments on it.”

“We’re taking the background check and making it a pro-gun bill,” he continued. “Unfortunately, some of my colleagues haven’t quite figured it out yet because they weren’t sitting in the room writing it. My staff was.”

“If you really read what’s in the Manchin-Toomey bill — man, it’s a godsend. We win rights back like crazy,” he later added. “I think we snookered the other side. They haven’t figured it out yet.”

Gottlieb also suggested that maybe he should have kept his opinion to himself, noting, “If we talk about it too much, the other side’s gonna find out about it and they’re gonna realize we’re gonna win off of this thing.”

Video of the speech is below, via Daylight Disinfectant:

Indeed, although the Manchin-Toomey compromise would represent the most significant gun reform in two decades, it contains many elements that should please the “gun rights” crowd. The bill exempts private, not-for-profit sales from background checks (falling far short of the universal standard sought by many Democrats), allows concealed-carry permits to transfer across state lines, and explicitly bans the creation of a national gun registry, among other provisions. The compromises were enough to lead New York governor Andrew Cuomo, a prominent gun reform advocate, to lament, “This is a Congress that is captive of the extremists and there is no clearer proof of that than this.”

In addition to the Second Amendment Foundation, the Citizens’ Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms — which claims to be the nation’s second-largest “gun rights” group, and with which Gottlieb is also closely associated — has also publicly endorsed the bill.

Still, it’s unclear whether this push from gun interest groups will actually make a difference in the final vote. As of now, just four Republican senators — Toomey, Susan Collins (R-ME), John McCain (R-AZ), and Mark Kirk (R-IL) — have signaled their intention to vote for the bill. Several red-state Democrats have also suggested that they will oppose the bill, despite the political cover provided by the gun interest groups. If a bipartisan bill that is so tame that “gun rights” groups hail it as a major victory cannot move through the Senate, then it would be safe to question whether any reform is truly possible.

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  • dazednconfused1

    When I signed a petition to save wildlife, I read the small print on the Thank You page. It was also a signiture to send a message to ban guns and about my wish to have more gun control! “I DONOT WANT MORE GUN CONTROL”! Is it legal to slip that in? I wrote the NRA and told them. Be carefull and read the small print! They may be tricking you into signing also for gun control.

    • neeceoooo

      And what is wrong with signing a petition for gun control?

  • WebAntOnYouTube

    This country is not a democracy. I don’t know what it is, besides a complete mess. And if turns out Boston Marathon was bombed by domestic terrorists as a warning to not enact gun control measures…….

    • never was a democracy. its always been a democratic republic. Second, too soon to know what is the real story behind Boston bombing. My thoughts and prayers go out to all there.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      The government is a democracy….Just because you childish males out there can’t abide the word “democrat” doesn’t mean you get to call a form of democracy in government a republic. Another “ignernt?” You bet. You live in a republic with a democratic form of government based on that of England. Don’t like it? Who cares what you loonies of the right like?

  • adriancrutch

    Probably the most dangerous substance in the world is alcohol. And we were able to prohitit it to no just satifaction. Pop a beer and a clip in! Congress could call the law=No Guns Act and leave out the banned part. Don’t expect the congressional lobby to pass ANY law that would be of any help to most of the tax paying public. Your own state legislatures have been hijacked by the ALEC programmers. Bow to your creator!

  • tobewan

    Sounds like the fox was let into the chicken coop! “Snookered the other side”? The vast amount of American public are” the other side.” Not abiding by that vast amount is corruption, and they laugh with glee about it? (SIC). Little do they know we are already in a Judgment Day/Times of nations, corporations, institutions, and politics.
    Hang on to your seats, it’s going to be a bumpy ride going into the kingdom. Yes, the one we have been praying for.

  • It would not surprise me if the latest attempt to curb gun violence is, indeed, filled with loopholes and almost impossible to enforce. The sad truth is that the arms industry and its disinformation branch, the NRA, control public opinion and policy more than any other institution in American society. Mess with them and bad things happen.

  • InsideEye

    God Bless stalemate, the more we go backwards to 1990, the
    Better we will be.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    What we have today are a bunch of big bully males who want the pleasure of showing their masculine prowess by walking the streets armed to the teeth. These are not civilized human beings. These are the overindulged, bully belligerents with the “Don’t tell me what to do” attitude. We see them all the time lately. Their fatheads swollen with militancy and that swagger they think is attractive to women. Think again. These are the country’s lowest forms of amoeba who think muscling everyone else to get “their” way is the ultimate of the jollies they get from guns. The reality is that these guns are nothing more than penile implants for the inadequacy in their jeans. What’s going to happen in this country is that these “militia” bois won’t stop until guns are everywhere in yours and your kids faces. This is what they really want. A society where guns are the laws of the Wild West and Hokum Yokumville “ignernts.”

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    If guns are so safe and so well protected, why bother with equally dangerous chemicals and substances? It’s time to limit the number of guns manufactured by 4 billionaires in TN, MO, VA and NC. We limit the manufacture of numerous drugs…but not guns that kill innocent people? And all to insure the fatheads of the NRA get their jollies going pow pow pow every minute of every hour?

    • Independent1

      Eleanore, guns are anything but safe or inexpensive: several studies have shown that just having a gun in the house increases by up to 50% the chances that a woman or child in that house will be killed by that gun. And, not only are guns very deadly with over 30,000 people being killed by guns each year, they’re also deadly even to their owners, in that, many owners are killed by their own gun and almost 19,000 people in a home with a gun commit suicide. On top of all these deaths, is that there are also between 75 and 100 thousand people shot and often severely injured by guns every year, resulting in over 2.3 billion dollars in medical costs being expended, and as another poster pointed out to me, costing America’s businesses almost 20 times that much in lost worker productivity. So America’s love affair with guns is not only deadly, even to those who seem to love them so much, the love affair with guns is also a very expensive one in many ways.

  • AlfredSonny

    We need guns to shoot down the fat cats, NRA murderers and pro-assault weapons protectors.

  • onedonewong

    Once again the bill was overreach. If they were truly interested in preventing gun deaths the thrust should on making sure those with any kind of mental problem were eliminated from the ability to purchase. If you are taking medication for depression, or seeing a psychologist for any reason your name should be entered onto the can not buy list and only can be removed by another physician.
    Since blacks and browns cause the most crimes they should be banned from purchasing a gun unless a police chief can attest to their good character