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Monday, September 26, 2016

The Fast and Furious witch hunt reached a dramatic climax Thursday when House Republicans voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. The highly partisan nature of the dispute was on full-on display as angry Democrats left the chamber in droves.

With a 255-67 vote, Holder became the first sitting member of a president’s candidate charged with this sanction. More than 100 Democrats boycotted the proceedings.

The dispute over the gun-running operation in Mexico — which may not have actually ever existed — has been hyped as a Watergate-type constitutional scandal by the right.

Of the 25 House Democrats who have accepted campaign contributions from the National Rifle Association, 11 shunned their benefactors and rejected the call to support the contempt vote. In total, 17 Democrats contributed to the overwhelmingly Republican-led ploy.

In a statement following the vote, Holder railed against the “politically motivated” effort to distract the American people from the important issues at hand.

“Today’s vote may make for good political theater in the minds of some, but it is – at base – both a crass effort and a grave disservice to the American people.  They expect – and deserve – far better,” Holder said.

“I had hoped that Congressional leaders would be good-faith partners in this work [to end flawed tactics initiated in previous administration].  Some have.  Others, however, have devoted their time and attention to making reckless charges – unsupported by fact – and to advancing truly absurd conspiracy theories.  Unfortunately, these same members of Congress were nowhere to be found when the Justice Department and others invited them to help look for real solutions to the terrible problem of violence on both sides of our Southwest Border.  That’s tragic, and it’s irresponsible,” Holder said.

After the major political letdown from the Supreme Court’s ruling on healthcare Thursday, and on Monday’s Arizona anti-immigration law Monday, Republicans finally have something positive to bray about.

  • 13observer

    If you want to dance, you have to pay the piper! Eric, sorry we can’t give you a better reference with your next employer… provided you don’t go to jail.

    • AIMPOINT

      Don’t hold your breath waiting for his demise down at the Klavern.

    • metrognome3830

      I’m sure he is worried sick that he won’t get a better reference from you and montnabill. You will probably have a better chance of going to jail that Holder does.

  • Melvin Chatman

    Eric is a “Big Boy” from humble beginnings with family accustomed to hatred, so he ain’t bothered nor distracted by “Ignorant Issa”.
    His parents warned him about these things, so he was actually more prepared than the President.
    The GOP is an antiquated Party guided by HATE which is BLINDING by nature – what are they taking to sleep @ night??
    As a kid growing up in the “Hood”, if you were fighting more than one attacker, make sure that at least one paid for the “Beat Down” handed to you!
    Got a few “Beat Downs” myself, but a few did suffer for the others – the best approach, but still got my “Butt Kicked” anyway!
    This concept still lives today in Washington, but the GOP Boys are pitiful attackers!!
    Eric has faced far worse than this, so I’m PROUD of HIS handling of this issue and they still don’t have the Documents – GREAT JOB ERIC – The Boys in tha Hood know what tha REAL DEAL is all about!!

    • montanabill

      An outstanding essay on progress thinking.

  • Eric Holder certainly has more class than Darrell Issa. I wonder how long Issa’s kabuki theater will take to play out before the American public realises this is but one of many Republican smokescreens designed to tarnish, and perhaps bring down, the Obama administration.

    • montanabill

      The kabuki theater will end when a judge finally forces Holder to produce the documents he’s hiding or sends his smirk to jail. It may disappear from the front pages, but those contempt citations won’t disappear and they do ultimately have consequences.

      • metrognome3830

        You do live in your own little dream world, don’t you, montanabill.

  • why not have congress vote him in contempt they are mostly contemptible people themselves and are looking for it in every one else!

    • metrognome3830

      And one of the most contemptible people in the House is the Contemptible Darrell Issa!

  • William Deutschlander

    Did anyone expect anything different from Issa and the GOP, REPUBLICAN SYNDICATE?

    They try to stir the pot in the hopes it will smell like them!

  • OMG-What are you people going to do to help me, my kids, grandkids and all the people that I love, that all Americans love with their families? I pay taxes for good education, health and not for new buildings for either parties. It’s like “STOP THE MADNESS” and do what you were voted to do. I don’t want opposition, that’s why I love Barack-he gives the GOP a chance to get their shi- together and when they squabble, cry and accuse the President takes it on himself to decide the issue. He’s a good leader and the GOP need to take lessons from him

    • montanabill

      OMG-When are people like you going to get off their butts and help themselves instead waiting for government to nanny you. Of course you don’t want opposition to the government being your nanny. Of course you ‘love’ Barack because he promised even more than Roosevelt, who was only going to put a chicken in your pot. I heard people like you in 2008 voting lines…”He’s going get me a free house and a free car and pay for my food.” Except for the food, they are still waiting.

  • Just another in a long line of republican time and money wasting exercises in futility. Since those clowns in the HOUSE refuse to do the job they were hired for, its critical that they be replaced in November. Let’s don’t repeat the mistake made in 2010 folks.

    • montanabill

      Actually, they have done the job they were hired for. The bills they passed are languishing in the Senate waiting for Reid’s do-nothing bunch which will soon be joined by an ACA repeal bill. Again, exactly what the voters of 2010 hired them for.

      • metrognome3830

        That may be what you voted for montanabill, but a lot of others didn’t. But back to the subject, bill, something that you are good at obfuscating, very few people voted for Darrell Issa’s wasting of time and effort to find the AG in contempt of congress. Even Issa himself has stated that he doesn’t believe there was any coverup. So why is he doing this? Simply for name recognition and a hope to get himself re-elected. He has been rejected by his own party before and he is risking rejection again.

        • montanabill

          Very few people? 255 to 67 Theater is watching Nancy Pelosi and the Black Causus stage a trip down the stairs. Holder will see to it that his Justice? Dept will cover for him on the criminal charge, but the civil charge is something he can’t control. You still have to ask yourself, if Holder doesn’t have anything to hide, why doesn’t he simply produce the requested documents. Instead, he gets Obama involved trying cover his ….. Don’t worry about Issa. He will be fine.

          • metrognome3830

            “Issa will be fine.” That’s what I’m worried about. And for the Dept. to “cover” for him, he has to commit a crime. So far you nor anyone else have any evidence of a crime. You just have high hopes that some Republican toady judge will find one. Real or in Issa’s imagination. Issa will skate just like he always has when he committed real crimes.

          • montanabill

            Since Holder won’t produce certain documents, it creates a certain suspicion that he may be covering the crime of cover-up. Remember, the DOJ has already lied once to Congress about this matter.

          • 7,600 documents produced to the HOUSE committee to date. Hardly any of them have been read. The documents are a side show to the republicans real agenda. Can you guess what that is?

          • montanabill

            You need to get a little better educated on the both the documents produced and the documents requested. Maybe the Republicans are simply trying to find out who authorized such a bungled scheme that lead to a lot of deaths, who knew about it and when. It really doesn’t seem like the subject for a cover-up, unless….

          • DurdyDawg

            Ask Dubya.. He’s the source.

          • montanabill

            Dubya was long gone. Wise up.

          • DurdyDawg

            Dubya may be long gone but his stench is still permeating the policies he left behind.. So, with that philosophy churning in you brain pan.. Who will you blame for our next outrageous political predicament (and there will be another).. Obama who will be long gone (as the Dubya is now) or the political system that seems only to be for themselves? Just wondering if you will be as willing to forgive Obama as you seem to be forgiving toward Bush.. (dipwad).

          • montanabill

            And you seem to be exactly the type of deep thinker that Obama depends on.

          • DurdyDawg

            At least I have a mind of my own.. I don’t cater to the Limpbaughs and the holier than thou’s, so… Thanks for the compliment.

          • metrognome3830

            About the time you were writing your reply the DOJ was announcing that there will be no investigation. So another Republican dream is blown away, and Darrell can go back to stealing cars.

          • montanabill

            The DOJ declined to assign a prosecutor? I’M SHOCKED!
            However, this is still a civil contempt and that will go to a judge not under Holder’s control. It will go quiet, but it won’t go away.

          • metrognome3830

            Which only goes to show that some members of congress are complete idiots. A little advice, bill, don’t make any large bets that Holder will be successfully prosecuted. If at all. Just keep your dreams alive as long as you can, but don’t bet on it. That’s my advice to you, bill.

          • montanabill

            Apparently your liberal compassion does not extend to the family of Brian Terry or to the families of the hundreds of Mexican citizens who had family members killed as the result of this botched operation. There is absolutely no need for them to know who authorized the program and whether anyone was held accountable. After all, this was simply a ‘witch hunt’ to get Holder, right?

          • metrognome3830

            That’s a cheap shot, montana. Of course I and many others feel compassion for Brian Terry and anyone harmed or killed. But quite probably Holder had nothing to do with any cover-up or any other illegal activity by the DOJ or Holder, (a fact already acknowledged by your hero, Darrell Issa). There is real reason to suspect that it was a rogue operation that got out of hand. And there is reasonable suspicion that the perpetrator of that rogue operation that got Brian Terry killed is no other than the “whistle-blower” himself, an agent Dodson. But nobody knows that for sure because whistle-blower Dodson isn’t stepping forward to take credit. He is keeping a low profile. There are quite likely no official documents to turn over if it was a rogue operation. So, Mr. compassionate, why isn’t Issa putting pressure on agent Dodson to ‘fess up. Never mind answering, I’ll tell you. Because taking down one rogue agent won’t get him near the press that he gets by going after Holder. If you want to make cheap shot accusations about someone with a lack compassion, aim them at your good friend and pal, Darrelll Issa. So, if you have any other cheap shots to take, go ahead. I’m not listening.

          • montanabill

            If you have nothing to fear from the documents Holder is withholding, then encourage him and the President to release them. My hero is not Issa, but he is asking the right questions that deserve an answer. Holder does, in fact, know who authorized the program and has said as much. Have you not been paying attention? Issa is not the one hiding documents.
            However, since you absolutely refuse to consider facts readily available, then play the part of the monkey with hands over the ears.

          • metrognome3830

            montanabill: I consider the facts and so far there is no FACT to spend a lot of time considering. Why isn’t Issa going back to 2006 when “gun walking” programs started? Because you and he are after only one thing, hell anything will do, to try to embarass any member of the Democratic party. You would go after a member of the White House staff for passing gas in church. That is just plain desperation, montana. You know it, I know it, millions of other people know it. Get over it. Let Issa flail away the best can until he can find something legitimate or until he dies. It’ll keep him from messing around in places where he could do some real damage. Just go to bed and dream of Holder in a prison orange jumpsuit. Get your jollies that way because that is probably as close as you will ever get to seeing that. If Issa actually turns up something, then I will take notice. Until then, you are on your own.

          • montanabill

            Actually it is pretty simple. Holder has admitted there are more document as he has offered to provide some but they would be the ones he selected. Issa wants them all. If there is, as Holder claims, nothing incriminating in the rest of the documents, then he should release them and really put egg on Issa’s face. Otherwise, the civil contempt will continue and you can continue to be cute about one of the egregiously bad AG’s ever.

          • metrognome3830

            Like I said, when Issa comes up with something worthwhile, then I will pay attention to him. You give your own position away with your last four words. “egregiously bad AG’s ever.” Those are not the words of a neutral observer. Look, montana, I’m not attaching anything of importance to anything Issa’s is, or has ever done, as a congressman. You want to hold him up as a paragon of virtue and a savior of the people, you go right ahead. But you are wasting your time trying to change opinion on the matter until I see compelling evidence that it is not just an Issa play for publicity. You, despite what you say, have already tried and convicted Holder and that’s the only conclusion you are prepared to accept.

          • montanabill

            Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and a contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and then a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on border-enforcement issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.
            And yet, mysteriously, supposedly neither Holder or Obama knew anything about Fast and Furious. Now would like to see the paper trail?

          • metrognome3830

            Practically word-for-word from Fox Nation. Now I know where you get your “news.”

          • montanabill

            You appear to have a habit of jumping to conclusions without doing any investigation. The information is readily available to anyone on a wide variety of news sites. You just won’t see it on NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN.

          • metrognome3830

            That’s what I said. Only on Fox News. And I don’t look at any of your other right-wing blogs.

          • elderglo1

            Repeal & replace republicans in the US House and Senate. They should have to pay back money from taxes paid for salaries and benefits. Since they did not do their job for this country they should be fired. This constitutes fraud and Mr. Issa who decided and said that he was targeting the Att’y General before He assumed the position should be sued and let him be criminalized for threatening and lying therefore diminishing the democracy project. Oh that’s right that is the goal of the GOP. I am not counting Republicans just the persons whose brains have been invaded by Karl Rove, Grover Norquist et al.
            I am an American, a contributing member of society and a person of integrity, According to the visible republicans we are not called americans, taxpayers, or citizens.We have an elected President who they (running for president called the currently dully elected president a thug,dangerous etc.)
            I don’t want my tax dollars to go to contractors, war, invasions of other countries.

          • montanabill

            What has all that got to do with finding out who authorized the botched gun deal that got Brian Kelly and hundreds of Mexicans killed? That is all that is being asked of Holder. Who is responsible and have they been held accountable? They lied once. Holder says there is nothing to hide. So why is he doing it?
            When you criticize going to war, remember it was a totally bipartisan approval of both wars, no matter what the Democrats now say. Check your history.

          • DurdyDawg

            Yeah.. Like a spit over a hot charcoal bar b q.. Can’t wait for the ‘over cook’.

      • bigspender7

        The bills which the HOUSE passed were never intended to become law. Nor should they be. They were mostly unworthy of Senate consideration. The HOUSE engages only in political theatre. Those clowns have served no useful or constructive purpose since 2010.

        • montanabill

          So you, like Harry Reid, are afraid to let the bills come to the floor for debate? The Senate seems to have nothing else to do. Most might be voted down, but you never know. Some of those bills passed in the House with bipartisan votes.

  • Gammaanya

    Ok, Let me get this straight. Fast and Furious was concocted by GWBush Adm. Arizona drop the ball with their communications and gun laws (most lawless state in the country in gun control). Holder ended the program, so how then this is a part of plot byObama and Holder to curtail 2nd Amendmnets Rights?? Funny, Issa himself is a felon and have less than honorable conduct and he wants documents to prove the nonexistent conspiracy to WHAT???? Holder have more class than all Repukes and dimwits put together. VOTE all of them out of the Office.
    Like I said before wheteher you a Dem,Rep or Lib. honesty and truth is not a virtue of any politicians. They are in the pockets of the Big Money and in case of Holder NRA hold them all by the throat. No man or woman should a hold an office to be intimidated by threats. That’s a sold out to an enemy. In case of adversity and if their life was on line they would sell you in a heartbeat.
    “IF POLITICIAN FOUND HE HAD CANNIBALS AMONG HIS CONSTITUENTS, HE WOULD PROMISE THEM MISSIONARIES FOR DINNER”- HL Mencken Repukes and some Dimwits just gave up Holder and by the same token the whole world is watching and wondering, why they get killed in other countries for democracy but they deny the same thing for their own people.????Good question! “Those who pass judgment and don’t seek truth are idiots” – Confucious

  • shadowg

    They cannot find anything negative on the President so they go after Holder. What will the Tea Party and the Republican in Congress do next? Try to steal anoether election?

  • phantomoftheopera

    i say the president gives up the records–in exchange for ALL communications from each and every republican in government and their staff. and for recording all caucus meetings, etc. wonder how they’d feel about that? but, after all, fair is fair.

  • bigsurmac

    The irony — Those of us who know of Issa’s business ethics prior to entering politics are not surprised.
    Lack of character is lack of character.
    Lack of integrity is lack of intergrity.
    A businessman who believes he is entitled to anything he can steal seems logical as a political buffoon in congress.

  • Holder has not done anything wrong. The documents that are being withheld are about events that are currently being tried in the courts. The Republicans are trying to get Holder because Holder is stopping Repubicans from removing voters from the voting lists & from them trying to make it harder and harder for poor Americans to vote.

  • How do you celebrate a mans death when defending his country?

  • I am proud of you Attorney General Eric Holder and keep the faith. You have the right last name HOLDER. Hold on to those documents; I smell a Nixon “Watergait Cover-Up in the GOP’S house.

  • Eric Holder should resign and report to Jail for the Murder of Border Agent Terry . Since Obama used Executive Priviledge and since that can only be used in cases where there was direct communication with the President or that he had knowledge . Obama too should resign and report to jail also for Murder as well as treason

  • Steve Jensen

    This program was first tried under the Bush regime and didn’t work, but here goes Holder to try the same thing over again, with worse results. Holder needs to be held responsible if for nothing else but his stupidity. If you do not want to be held accountable, don’t do the crime.

  • bigspender7

    Michael Stool — congratulations airhead. You win the award for the most boneheaded comment of the day. My question is – how can you be so stupid?

  • Republitards Congress, please be ready in November for a permanent shalacking of all yours asses into the permanent political wilderness, you phucking morons!!! Obama 2012!!!

  • i’m so pleased the president won this 1. he has fought the bigoted, racist republicans from the start. as a 75 year old white male from mi i care more about my country than the color of the presidents skin. i hope has a great legacy

  • Stay strong Eric Holder !

  • elderglo1

    Your brain is messed up and the trash you are spewing belongs to you and yours. That who you know best. The name calling and the diatribes you ditto-heads repeat shows your ignorance. Enslavement of humans you people tried to label as non-humans was an economic system and we clearly recognize “States rights” is also part of the 1780’s-1900s Slavery regimen/ The biggest lie you are perpetrating is the free anything by anyone,you must have been hallucinating, delusional or listening to your handlers. I worked in elections since the 60’s in a range of venues, worked and paid taxes over 50 years and your lies are typical of mentally psychotic paranoid persons. It is not Government that is your problem,assessment and intervention sounds implicated

  • elderglo1

    You need electric shock treatment followed by medications. Since President Obama is the elected executive ,he had the right and duty to protect the integrity of communications after this Bush era designed project Many attempts have been tried and some failed but at least they are trying to impact the problem created by the gun runners. If you are so smart ,why don’t you stop the drug users in the US. Shortly after no drugs are not bought ,used or sold for money , the drug cartels will stop getting drugs to their distributors . This is not the President’s or even elected members responsibility ,it is the cultural.Maybe you have your decision to resign your role and that is the only power you have,nobody is foolish enough to behave according to your “stuff”. sadly people like you appear to take your opinions seriously.