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How The GOP’s Golden Boy Works His Con

May 2nd, 2012 12:32 am Gene Lyons

To understand the secret of current Republican matinee idol Rep. Paul Ryan’s success, it’s necessary to grasp three essential elements of his popularity: First, he’s a handsome, telegenic fellow very good at faking sincerity. Maybe the best since disgraced Democrat John Edwards. If he weren’t a Catholic, Ryan would have made a brilliant televangelist. As an Irish-American funeral director, he’d have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

Second, Ryan knew the exact moment to reposition himself to take advantage of the GOP’s hysterical freakout over U.S. budget deficits. See, as recently as January 19, 2009, George W. Bush was still president, the projected FY2009 deficit was a record $1.3 trillion, but relatively few Republicans had anything to say about it. And certainly not Rep. Ryan, who’d championed every one of the Bush administration’s budget-busting innovations, from the ill-advised tax cuts to the deficit-financed 2003 Medicare prescription-drug benefits.

Indeed, contrary to his image as a sober-sided deficit hawk, Jonathan Chait points out in an acerbic New York magazine profile, “Ryan was a staunch ally in Bush’s profligacy, dissenting only to urge Bush to jack up the deficit even more.” Specifically, Ryan urged even greater tax cuts for millionaires; in 2005, he proposed creating privatized Social Security accounts with an estimated $2 trillion in borrowed money for Wall Street to play with.

On January 21, 2009, however, a Democratic president took over. Hence budget deficits instantaneously became a mortal threat to the nation, and the Very Handsome Congressman transformed himself into “a figure of cinematic rectitude… America’s neighborhood accountant, a man devoted to the task of restoring our fiscal health.”

Third, and perhaps most important, the budgetary manifesto Ryan calls “The Path to Prosperity,” exists in the realm of pure theory, if not downright fantasy. It’s yet another exercise in GOP magical thinking, filled with preposterous assumptions and arithmetical sleight-of-hand. The numbers don’t need to add up, because everybody but the most gullible voters knows it will never be enacted. Republican congressmen voting for the fool thing did so in the certain knowledge that it was going nowhere in the Senate and would be vetoed by President Obama if it did.

Insofar as the scheme aims at anything other than advancing Ryan’s career, for once in his life Newt Gingrich got something right when he called it “right-wing social engineering.” In essence, it would amount to a massive wealth transfer from the poorest to the wealthiest Americans. Basically, Ryan proposes to reduce the income tax code to two rates, topping out at 25 percent, but keeping total government revenues constant by eliminating unspecified “loopholes.”

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AlKowsky

If I was in the top 1% I’d give the “Golden Boy” Ryan a French kiss.

ObozoMustGo

Self edited. Sorry Al!

Have a nice day!

http://profile.yahoo.com/IU7C6LDOPNAQYSZWIQJDJFWVPU james

Exactly what did that add to this? Other than a chance to express your homophobia and resort to a taunt a 3rd grader would use, you added nothing to this issue and it’s debate. I’m just sayin,,,,,

Have a nice day!

ObozoMustGo

james… you are absolutely right. I stand corrected! While I do enjoy a good insult or 2 back and forth, this one was below the belt. My apologies.

Have a nice day!

montanabill

Lyons is a first rate contortionist, as well as, a demagogue of the highest order. Just to be a little ‘fair and balanced’, Gene, how about a detailed commentary of the Democrat budget plan and their plan to save Social Security and Medicare? What? They won’t print a blank sheet of paper?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K3XDTJHLNKSTTS34VTKT3WR6M4 Robert

Why don’t you present for us a detailed commentary of the Democrat budget plan to save Social Security and Medicare? Obviously, you know what that is?

montanabill

It is highly detailed on that blank sheet of paper.

ObozoMustGo

Keep fighting the good fight, brother montana!
ObozoMustGo

Keep fighting the good fight, brother montana!

montanabill

It is highly detailed on that blank sheet of paper.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Kavik-Thompson/100001025858132 Kavik Thompson

Of course, he’s a demagogue, is that a surprise to you? Are you new to his articles here, or to The Naional Memo itself?

I suppose the fact that the sun rises in the east every morning also mystifies you.

Charie66

Wow! That’s a wonderful answer…………… full of as much substance as that blank budget bill.
Charie66

Wow! That’s a wonderful answer…………… full of as much substance as that blank budget bill.
ObozoMustGo

Kavik… montana is just being sarcastic…. and funny! He’s a regular around these parts and is one of a few of us good guys engaged in battle in leftist nutjob world. No need to be mean to him. Save that for the cadre of useful idiots that will attack you like vultures on carion.

Have a nice day!

Ibsyboy

Care to explain the GOP’s obsession with delivering more of the Nation’s Wealth to the Wealthy. And the Wealthy don’t have to move a muscle to get it. And while your at it, how does the GOP get its non-wealthy constituents to vote against their own self interests. What do they come out with in the end. What everyone else no matter what the party affiliation maybe. Nothing. Nada, Bupkis.
How does that philosophy appeal to anyone other than the Wealthy.
They have bought the American Dream, and have no intention of sharing it. “We the People” are now, the “them” we hear about when someone is talking about the irrelevant part of the population. Why does that not ring out with appeal.

ObozoMustGo

Ibsy… you are a fool! Either you are very young and near college age having been to the leftist monastary they call University, or you are old and extremely stupid! Either way, you are a fool! Wake up boy! If you are young, there is still time for you before you become an unmitigated and incurable useful idiot!

How does the GOP deliver wealth to the people that made the wealth in the first place? Is it “The Nation’s collective wealth” or does the wealth belong to the individuals that earn it? Please answer this question.

Have a nice day!
hybrid80

You wonder how the GOP can get the non wealthy to vote against their own self interests. In a word Karl — Rove that is. If Goebbels was alive today he would be green with envy. Rove engineered the campaign to discredit the Democrats by any means possible. Not their politics, since Roosevelt and the like had served them well, but their motives, their personal lives, their associations, anything true or not that would add grist to their mill, was fair game. Straw men appeared at will to spread fear and mistrust amongst the faithful. Appealing to the man-child amongst us, freedom became the watchword, — freedom from regulations, freedom from a government trying to tell you what to do. Rather dead than red was another winner, so all Democrats by innuendo became suspicious. Rush Bimbo became filthy rich pounding the message often enough for the lie to become the truth. “Swift Boaters” and their friends scuttled a decorated soldier candidate by wearing fake Purple Hearts in mockery. Rove’s avowed method was to attack the opponents strength not his weaknesses. Social Security got undermined by false accusations of it being raided, was broke and would be unable to serve younger people when they got old, etc. Privatize was another great slogan to “save the government from spending your hard earned money” Considering that when you used to drive through a small town, only the plant manger was a Republican, Rove has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. The Montana hill folks, and as such, have learned the lesson only too well

http://profile.yahoo.com/IU7C6LDOPNAQYSZWIQJDJFWVPU james

Actually this site has commented on these, however I do feel your post sums up a problem with internet debate. You used one article to promote a comment about a different topic. This story is about Ryan and you used it to slip in a comment about something else entirely. I am not saying you are alone in this by any means, pundits,demagogues and posters on the net alike have assumed this “I know you are but what am I?” style that adds daily to the polarization of this country. Instead of making a comment about how “bad” someone else is why didn’t you opt to use this time and space to convince us that Ryan isn’t what the article said he was?

montanabill

It would take a post much longer than Gene’s original post. It would be much better if the viewers would actually take the time to read and understand the Ryan plan rather than limiting the information they take in to highly partisan, carefully crafted, hit pieces. People in both parties and independents can come up with good ideas or even a basis for discussion. Discussion and compromise become impossible when each side’s sole goal is to demonize the other. Gene’s article was not constructed to illicit rational discussion.

Ibsyboy

There are two choices. Serve the population or serve some of the population. We can afford to do what ever we want. We are the richest nation in the world. But, the profit seekers are gluttons, if there is an extra penny to be made they will make it no matter that it may cost others much more than a penny. It’s not that hard to figure out. The poor have been with us since the stone age, they will be with us until our sun explodes. You have to take care of them, they are not human garbage , though the Right thinks so. The audacious notion that people enjoy being poor is a sad testament to the mind set of the leadership on the Right. Blame the poor, it works, but for how long. The number of poor is increasing daily. And their not the usual hue the GOP claims they are. Working class poor and now unemployed poor, and not by choice. That very idea is a disgrace for any American to purport.
How much wealth does someone need? And what is the need to accumulate so much. It has no value, if there is nothing left to buy, except a government. Which is what appears to be happening. It used to be called the Wealth of a Nation. Now the wealth of the Nation is in a few hands. The very hands the GOP can’t seem to put enough of the country’s wealth in. Someone care to explain what is going on? And Why.

montanabill

You are wrong about the right. Surveys have always shown that group to be more generous with their wealth than the left. The argument is over government. How many overlapping departments and agencies are needed? How much waste is acceptable just because government is absolutely the worst mechanism to administer programs? You tend to lump all poor together as a class. The truth is some have had just the plain bad luck of illness or being born with a dysfunction they couldn’t overcome. But, most are the result of bad choices. We need only two agencies, one to help the former and one to help the latter. The help for the latter should be a hand up, not a hand out. If you don’t use the hand out, don’t expect life support. The wealth of any country is always in a few hands. Ours is actually in more hands than most and new people enter that class every month. We are not near as static a population as, say, Europe. A truly telling story can be derived from comparing people who earned their wealth over time versus those who achieved it overnight. Those who earned it, tend to get wealthier. Those who suddenly came on it, do not. There are a few exceptions, of course, like the occasional actor or sports star.
hybrid80

“Most are the results of bad choices” being poor that is says our Bill, — that keen observer of humanity. You know like all these people that refused Bill Gates job offer, and went to Burger King instead, or did not take the advice to invest in oil wells, and spent the money on food instead. Gosh, poor people just never listen to their betters it seems.
montanabill

Did those people take advantage of the education that was available to get the skills necessary for a Bill Gates offer? Nothing wrong with working at Burger King, shining shoes, delivering papers, or any other job as long as you learn a work ethic and use it to advance your position. You seem to think that successful people all started at the top. Get over it because it is not true. Check out the story of Dawn Loggins on Huffington. I can absolutely guarantee you that as long as you have some excuse for not succeeding, you won’t.
hybrid80

Yeah — The poor should feel guilty. Fancy them complaining, my! my! what next?
The poorest choice of some, was voting Republican in the sad belief that the Rev. Rush Bimbo was their friend as he preaches from his mountain top of propaganda that would make Goebbels blush or turn green with envy.
Why don’t you bless us with some of the Dawn Loggins’ fairy beatitudes, or is that your other pen name?

Then of course we have all witnessed the wise father taking his progeny to task for winning , or making money with his lemonade stand and thereby disgracing the proud family’s unblemished heritage of failure.

No doubt there is an easy get into academy somewhere for the study of excuses. Or perhaps a business one where nobody is allowed to graduate.

Think not that I think what you think I think is not what I think you think about what I think, ad nauseam
montanabill

All you had to do was look a story about Dawn Loggins on the Huffington Post, hardly a right wing site, and yet you preferred to remain ignorant and post nonsense rants.
hybrid80

Is that the best you can do? Trying to side track the discussion into just about me reading or not reading a piece, or even as you so cleverly put it “was look at a story” — Typical Repub tactic to change the topic when you can’t handle something. Like no comment on “my rant” about Rush baby, or the GOP’s mountain of propaganda being compared to the Goebbels foothills of the same. I guess that is too hot a topic for you, and the Giants Of Propaganda. May I remind you that you started this with your idiot statement that implied it was the poor’s fault that they were poor, or do you blame your error on a crack o’ Dawn. Do I take it that Romney believes this too? That would explain a lot. You realise of course that you couldn’t be rich if it were not for the poor staying poor and not being rich.

I AM having a nice day, thank you.

phil1122

Sad you don’t know their plan. It is a realistic one, just as one would balance their own savings. The facts are obvious that the only time the deficit became a problem was when it was under a democratic president, even Clinton was able to avoid a deficit, but dear old Bush sent this country into a recession just so the rich could keep more money they don’t use. Both social security and medicare can be stable with a few changes in how the rich avoid contributing. Every other tax, toll etc uses the money of the middle class to support the rich, time to make the playing field even. When a millionare pays less than his secretary it is obvious it is wrong, yet the GOP would not level that field, unless you are one of the 400 rich you are in the group that will just keep being dumped on, in the name of “job creators” who do not create a single job regardless of how much they keep. Wake up and smell the roses before it is too late.

montanabill

Yes, it is sad that I don’t know their plan, but neither do you because they haven’t written one down. Clinton avoided a deficit because he compromised with Newt Gingrich. Conservatives don’t like deficit spending under ANY president. Bush simply signed the spending bills created by a Democrat controlled Congress which did not endear him to fiscal conservatives. Neither SS or Medicare can be made stable by any changes to what the rich contribute. Millionaires do not pay less than their secretaries. Buffett and Obama may have paid a smaller rate than their secretaries, but the amount was far more. Buffett would be a lot more creditable if his company would stop fighting over a $1 billion tax bill he has from the government. (Did you know about that?) Just what do you think the rich do with their money? They don’t hide it under a mattress. It is spent or invested, both of which create jobs!

rothgar

I call BS. The Bush tax cuts wre enacted in 2001 and 2003 when Hastert was Speaker. Try mixing in a few facts into your rant.

clarenceswinney

Come on Bush had controlof both houses 2001–2002–2003–2004–206–2006-2007
Six of Worst Years in Hisotry
montanabill

I have no idea what you are referencing. I have not mentioned Bush/Obama tax cuts.
rothgar

Except you were talking about deficit spending which is Revenues minus Spending.
So the Tax Cuts are relevant.

Since the GOP had control of the House from 2001 to 2006 (and they used it) claiming that Bush signed Democratic Spending plans is plainly inaccurate.

Also, as I recall after the Medicaqre Part D signing we found out that the Administraiton had threatened a SS budget analysis with losing his job if he told the Congress what he knew about the costs of the Part D coverage. Not just siging the bills at that point.
montanabill

The biggest deficit before Democrats got control was about $4 billion in 2004 declining in 2005 and 2006 until the Democrats and Bush created the largest deficit of over $4 billion in 2008. The first year of the Obama Presidency, 2009, the deficit reached $1.85 trillion!

Any and every time Congress messes with healthcare, regardless of party in power, things go south.
rothgar

Add at least 2 zeros to that 4 and you’ve got the on-the record deficit. That would be 400+ billion. And that 400 billion is AFTER raiding the Social Security Trust for hundreds of Billions. In his second term after taking 729 billion from the Social Security Trust another 420 billion was the “official” deficit. That would bring that years real deficit to 1.149 TRILLION. And this was in a good year!

Further, that figure is after moving most of the war costs off-budget by covering them through emergency appropriations which are NOT COUNTED.

I don’t think we should criticisize another attempt at honest accounting by as Democratic President. Same thing happened when Clinton took over he found all sorts of sleight of hand in the G.HW Bush budgets.

So you are saying that all those Seniors who are defending Medicare and Medicaid are wrong and they’d be better off dying on the streets unless they were lucky enough to con someone into giving them affordable health insurance. That is what you call messed up? Really.
montanabill

You are right about the $4 billion being $400 billion. Fumbled it. Medicare and Medicaid do provide help, but at what cost? Driving healthcare providers from the field, poorer care for everyone due to doctors trying to make-up for the low reimbursements, and the continual scamming of the programs because they are so poorly administered. There has to be a better way.

And finally, this from William Saletan, “I remember suggesting, when we recorded our analysis for NPR’s Day to Day, that the equivalent lie on the other side would be to accuse Bush of cutting politically sacred programs just because his own tax and spending policies didn’t add up.

Sure enough, that hypothesized lie is now on the air. Bush “raided Social Security to pay for a tax cut for millionaires,” says the announcer in “Tax Cuts.” Really? What’s the evidence? The Media Fund’s explanatory fact sheet notes that in each of the last three years, the Social Security payroll tax brought more money in to the Treasury than the Treasury spent on Social Security benefits. The fact sheet concludes that in each year, “The remaining [money in] the Social Security Trust Fund was spent.”

Are Democrats prepared to have this definition of “raiding” Social Security applied to them? Because in that case, they’ve been “raiding” the fund for decades. But of course, they don’t seriously accept this definition.”
rothgar

Thank you for your response.
Given that Medicare and Mediaid are two of three of the most popular
When we skimp there will be problems with the potential for caregivers quitting but looking at the malfeasence of hospital management (my son did economic analyses of Hospitals for a couple years) and someone’s unwillingness to suitably tax people to pay for services and you are going to have problems.

BTW: They’ve had this definition applied to them in knowledgeable circles for decades. I first heard about it in a Masters level class taught by the OMB directorate level person back in 1985. The trick is whether the borrowing was not mentioned in the bottom line (as it was under Bush) or whether the SS Trust funds used are accounted for honestly as I suspect the Obama adminstration is doing. All so the GOP can complain.

clarenceswinney

President submit budgets House Messages them.
Presidetn submits the Budget Resolution that OUTLINES the Total Spending. Obama submitted 3600 and it was cut to 3500

It is broad outline on 13 bills not details

For example–Reagan submitted 8 budgets. They were returned to him with fewer total dollars
details in a benjamin friedman book

http://profile.yahoo.com/YP7QLPPO57D6KADQK3HW2S3YFA Old Soldier

I DON’T CARE WHO DOES IT, I JUST WANT THE ENTIRE CONGRESS DO WHAT IS RIGHT. GET THE BUDGET UNDER CONTROL, STOP SOME OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND THE RAMPANT SPENDING; LIKE SPENDING $150,000 TO REMOVE THE AMERICAN FLAG FROM THE TAIL OF AIRFORCE ONE AND PUT A SPECIAL LOGO FOR OBAMA. THAT COULD HAVE FED A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE WHOLE LOT NEEDS TO GET REAL. WISH I COULD RETIRE WITH FULL PAY ($180,00 PER YEAR) AFTER SERVING ONE 2 YEAR TERM. SUCKS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF CONGRESS ANYMORE – SO MUCH FOR GOV FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE.. I WAS A DEMOCRAT FOR 42 YEARS – MOST OFTEN VOTING THAT WAY AND I VOTED FOR OBAMA – I JUST CHANGED TO REPUBLICAN.
rothgar

Neither of those claims are correct. Try to get your head out of Glen Becks reality and look at what is really going on!.
clarenceswinney

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SAVES BILLIONS PREPRING TAXES

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Old Soldier wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

I DON’T CARE WHO DOES IT, I JUST WANT THE ENTIRE CONGRESS DO WHAT IS RIGHT. GET THE BUDGET UNDER CONTROL, STOP SOME OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND THE RAMPANT SPENDING; LIKE SPENDING $150,000 TO REMOVE THE AMERICAN FLAG FROM THE TAIL OF AIRFORCE ONE AND PUT A SPECIAL LOGO FOR OBAMA. THAT COULD HAVE FED A LOT OF PEOPLE. THE WHOLE LOT NEEDS TO GET REAL. WISH I COULD RETIRE WITH FULL PAY ($180,00 PER YEAR) AFTER SERVING ONE 2 YEAR TERM. SUCKS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF CONGRESS ANYMORE – SO MUCH FOR GOV FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE.. I WAS A DEMOCRAT FOR 42 YEARS – MOST OFTEN VOTING THAT WAY AND I VOTED FOR OBAMA – I JUST CHANGED TO REPUBLICAN.

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merl1

how much could we save if we cut your VA benefits? if you’re stupid enough to believe the logo on AF1 was changed, we’re spending too much on you.
merl1

how much could we save if we cut your VA benefits? if you’re stupid enough to believe the logo on AF1 was changed, we’re spending too much on you.
joyscarbo

So sorry to hear that…you’re playing from the wrong team now, Old Soldier.
montanabill

What? Even the Democrats overwhelmingly voted against Obama’s budgets. Harry Reid hasn’t produced a budget in over 3 years, though required to so every year.
clarenceswinney

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montanabill wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

What? Even the Democrats overwhelmingly voted against Obama’s budgets. Harry Reid hasn’t produced a budget in over 3 years, though required to so every year.
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montanabill

I think what you are saying is that bills passed by the House are filibustered in the Senate. If so, that is not true. Harry Reid will not bring them up to allow a vote.
clarenceswinney

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montanabill wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

I think what you are saying is that bills passed by the House are filibustered in the Senate. If so, that is not true. Harry Reid will not bring them up to allow a vote.
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montanabill

Not quite. A vote puts Senators on record. Reid lets them avoid responsibility.
clarenceswinney

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montanabill wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

Not quite. A vote puts Senators on record. Reid lets them avoid responsibility.
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fxg

Yes, Gingrich compromised with Clinton, and nothing about this is understood by the republicans of today. They don’t give a damn, and would not ‘compromise’ in the least with Obama, because the main goal is to get rid of him, no matter what he proposes. What does the fight of Buffett’s company over the tax bill to do with anything discussed here?
In your eyes only your side of the political spectrum is allowed to use the law as written, and fight the IRS? There is no way to discuss with you until your tunnel vision is cured. Your job creation formula says it all. Please refrain from commenting if you can only repeat what Ryan et. al. are cooking up for you.

montanabill

Putting the compromise blame all on one side is a sure way to insure no compromise, as evidenced by your post. What does Buffett’s company have to do with anything? Nothing, except that he’s the poster boy for taxes. If you have a better job creation formula than businesses being able and willing to create them, I’d like to hear it. Just keep in mind where businesses and entrepreneurs get their money to start and grow businesses. Or maybe you subscribe to the trickle-up theory, where somebody with nothing can trickle it up.
fxg

So YOU still put the (non)compromise blame all on one side which I did NOT do. I agree a lot more with your job creation theory than you seem to want to acknowledge, I just can’t accept that there are many who don’t employ to their own and their communities’ disadvantage because they do it against Obama. Don’t you see that I don’t agree with this no matter who it is at the end of this racist and bigoted behavior.
montanabill

Nothing I posted would put the compromise blame on one side. Businesses don’t give a whit about Obama being President, but do care about his policies that are resulting in a gigantic pile of new regulations, uncertainly over tax policy (business is not paying it’s fair share) and the impact of ACA. It is not racist or bigoted behavior. The left seems to see racism at every turn where none exists. More concern is given to his background of being raised by Communists (father, mother and her boyfriends) and his political leaning in college and with Ayers. Business is fearful of anyone in power with socialist or fascist leanings.

noelle99

Ahh, but the annual cap on SS payroll deductions is currently $106,000. It’s a no brainer – increase this cap so that those earning more pay in more. There is just no common sense being used, seems like frustratingly obvious and easy thing to do. What’s the problem? Those earning more get bigger pay outs, they should pay in more. DOH!

montanabill

How about this? Instead of having the high earners pay more into a system they don’t need, simply means test at retirement. Let them withdraw at least as much and they and their employers put into the system, but once that limit has been reached, no more payments. Now, that won’t save the system, but it will keep it from sending payments to people who don’t need the money and it won’t become just another wealth redistribution welfare program.

clarenceswinney

Democratic deficit???
Bus got a 240B surpluson 9-30-01
9-30-09 had 1400 deficit
Bus incresed spendign by 92% andDebt by112% (doubled)

You must uses budgets.
Bush 8 started 10-1-01 and ended 9-30-01

rothgar

You are correct but I think you meant Bushes budgets started on 10/01/01 and ended on 09/30/09.

Of course tax rules can be changed mid year but otherwise I agree.

clarenceswinney

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rothgar wrote, in response to clarenceswinney:

You are correct but I think you meant Bushes budgets started on 10/01/01 and ended on 09/30/09.
Of course tax rules can be changed mid year but otherwise I agree.

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merl1

Every single time a Democrat is elected, right wingers start crying about the deficit.
They are stupid, they believe what they’re told to believe no questions asked.
merl1

Every single time a Democrat is elected, right wingers start crying about the deficit.
They are stupid, they believe what they’re told to believe no questions asked.

Ibsyboy

What is this fixation of making the wealthy wealthier without a drop of sweat on the part of the wealthy? I hear their “punishing the successful” line, pure crap. That’s a Frank Lutz special for sure! The GOP’s idea of a fair 100 yard dash, give the Wealthy the Gold Medal with out having to run and everyone one else has one hundred pound weights on each ankle. The American Dream is just that, a Dream with a price tag only the Wealthy can afford, but they don’t need to buy it they own it. And they don’t want to share. It’s baffling how the GOP gets it’s non-wealthy constituents to vote against their own interests. Richie Rich can be admired, but you shouldn’t be have to pay for the privilege.

montanabill

You need to be honest with yourself. The American dream is alive and well, even in today’s economy. There are very few cases of someone getting wealthy by pure physical labor. Most do have to work long and hard and make sacrifices, but with an idea and determination, the American dream is as possible as ever.

Ibsyboy

Dream on. Rising health costs, rising cost of education, diminishing home values, lower middle class is now the new working class, and the working class are the working poor. I live in a neighborhoods which many would consider Middle Class. There are more sale signs on lawns than I have ever seen. No one is moving up. These are my neighbors and friends. They are moving down. Their dream has become a nightmare. College funds depleted, bagging groceries for extra cash, health care standards are lower. It’s not only becoming a thing of the past, those who have fulfilled the Dream have woke up to the fact it is slipping away.

montanabill

Blame the ‘Affordable Housing Act’, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and Wall Street,
who tried to make lemonade from Frank’s lemons. We have had down times before, but never has it been so slow to recover. The reason: businesses are sitting on their cash and plans until Obama and doorstop Reid are gone. You won’t like it, but if the Republicans win in November, you will see an amazingly quick moving recovery which will be the only way to save the middle class. However, we are sitting on an inflation time bomb thanks to Bernanke’s money press. If it explodes, even a new administration and Congress will be hard pressed to combat it. Another huge problem will be the debt payments from our budgets. You can’t borrow and spend over 6 trillion dollars in just four years and be $16 trillion in debt without consequences. And don’t give me that ‘the rich need to pay their fair share’. The $4 billion a year that would be gained is just a little more than 1 day’s worth of deficit spending. We would have to have over 330 times as many rich as we have today to even close the deficit, let alone pay $1 toward reducing the debt.
Colorado15

Not entirely true, corporations over the last few years downsized staff. Then realized they could force the remaining staff to do more work out of fear of losing their job. or to be fair people took pride in their job and took on more work. But the reality is corps realized that they didn’t necesarily have to increase staff. now that profits are going up companies have no interest in hiring people back, a new software package, some modernizations, no need for additional people.
Businesses are in the business of making money and you can’t blame them for that. That’s why to increase jobs you have to tie tax and other incentives directly to hiring people for NEW jobs not simply replacing jobs. Until you do that all the tax cuts in the world are pointless.
montanabill

As an employer I can tell you that tax incentives for hiring people are used only if you were going to hire in the first place. What we need is for businesses to feel that the business climate is positive. Businesses would much rather see the regulatory agencies reined in than get tax cuts. A tax cut is an indication that government wants to get out of the way. When those things happen, businesses will use their pent up cash to expand, investors will be willing to take more risk and entrepreneurs, freed from the outrageous mountain of regulations, will once again put their futures on the line.

merl1

I bet you’ve been concerned over the deficit for years now, haven’t you?

montanabill

Since before Clinton.

merl1

I bet you’ve been concerned over the deficit for years now, haven’t you?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Moore/100000662725859 Anthony Moore

Does Ryan’s deficit reduction plan include eliminating, or restricting, ear marks?
AllFreedomsFirst

Nothing but more spin to try and derail a major threat to the Democratic Party not only now but especially in the near future.

ObozoMustGo

All… you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head! The leftist nutjob losers on this site do nothing but carry Obozo’s water. There is NO objective, decent journalism left in the traditional American media any longer. Just hit pieces like this garbage from Lyons.

Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

All… you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head! The leftist nutjob losers on this site do nothing but carry Obozo’s water. There is NO objective, decent journalism left in the traditional American media any longer. Just hit pieces like this garbage from Lyons.

Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

All… you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head! The leftist nutjob losers on this site do nothing but carry Obozo’s water. There is NO objective, decent journalism left in the traditional American media any longer. Just hit pieces like this garbage from Lyons.

Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

All… you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head! The leftist nutjob losers on this site do nothing but carry Obozo’s water. There is NO objective, decent journalism left in the traditional American media any longer. Just hit pieces like this garbage from Lyons.

Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

All… you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head! The leftist nutjob losers on this site do nothing but carry Obozo’s water. There is NO objective, decent journalism left in the traditional American media any longer. Just hit pieces like this garbage from Lyons.

Keep up the good work and fighting the good fight!

Have a nice day!

http://www.facebook.com/kbrintnall Kevin Brintnall

He’s in the Koch brothers’ pockets. He’s their proxy.

ObozoMustGo

Hey Kev… dont forget your tinfoil hat when the men in black come to your house! Quick, get back to your crack pipe! It misses you.

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Hey Kev… dont forget your tinfoil hat when the men in black come to your house! Quick, get back to your crack pipe! It misses you.

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Hey Kev… dont forget your tinfoil hat when the men in black come to your house! Quick, get back to your crack pipe! It misses you.

Have a nice day!

http://profile.yahoo.com/YP7QLPPO57D6KADQK3HW2S3YFA Old Soldier

So I guess you think the Democrat solution of printing more paper money and borrowing against it and spending more on social programs is correct??? Someone has to start cutting back on the spending. I end up paying extra every year and many in my neighborhood don’t pay a penny, but because they have small children they receive 1) Food stamps, 2) WIC benefits, 3) EIC on taxes. Some don’t pay any taxes and yet receive up to $11,000 back in tax return. Really upsets me to see this crap!!!!!!!
http://profile.yahoo.com/YP7QLPPO57D6KADQK3HW2S3YFA Old Soldier

So I guess you think the Democrat solution of printing more paper money and borrowing against it and spending more on social programs is correct??? Someone has to start cutting back on the spending. I end up paying extra every year and many in my neighborhood don’t pay a penny, but because they have small children they receive 1) Food stamps, 2) WIC benefits, 3) EIC on taxes. Some don’t pay any taxes and yet receive up to $11,000 back in tax return. Really upsets me to see this crap!!!!!!!
http://profile.yahoo.com/YP7QLPPO57D6KADQK3HW2S3YFA Old Soldier

So I guess you think the Democrat solution of printing more paper money and borrowing against it and spending more on social programs is correct??? Someone has to start cutting back on the spending. I end up paying extra every year and many in my neighborhood don’t pay a penny, but because they have small children they receive 1) Food stamps, 2) WIC benefits, 3) EIC on taxes. Some don’t pay any taxes and yet receive up to $11,000 back in tax return. Really upsets me to see this crap!!!!!!!

ObozoMustGo

Old Soldier… You will realize soon enough that the leftist nutjobs on this site are completely ignorant of simple math. In fact, simple math and the reality of the fact that there is NO money left are really offensive concepts to them. Somehow they think that rich guys have all this money in their mattresses (money they stole from poor people that had no money to begin with) and that if only we could extract it from them, everything would be OK.

There are more useful idiots lurking around here than you can imagine. Keep posting though, you will begin to enjoy shining light on the rats and watching them scurry about.

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Old Soldier… You will realize soon enough that the leftist nutjobs on this site are completely ignorant of simple math. In fact, simple math and the reality of the fact that there is NO money left are really offensive concepts to them. Somehow they think that rich guys have all this money in their mattresses (money they stole from poor people that had no money to begin with) and that if only we could extract it from them, everything would be OK.

There are more useful idiots lurking around here than you can imagine. Keep posting though, you will begin to enjoy shining light on the rats and watching them scurry about.

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Old Soldier… You will realize soon enough that the leftist nutjobs on this site are completely ignorant of simple math. In fact, simple math and the reality of the fact that there is NO money left are really offensive concepts to them. Somehow they think that rich guys have all this money in their mattresses (money they stole from poor people that had no money to begin with) and that if only we could extract it from them, everything would be OK.

There are more useful idiots lurking around here than you can imagine. Keep posting though, you will begin to enjoy shining light on the rats and watching them scurry about.

Have a nice day!
http://profile.yahoo.com/UHE4MJP5FHMFIEAOGEQHETUGDQ Rvn_sgt6768

Gee and they never received them before did they? Such hypocrisy from the far right trolls today. Can you say one way street? When your darling repugs do it it is fine and you can’t let them do it enough but when you lose power and control, which is all you are after anyway because you really don’t care ab out anything else, you cry foul. If you can’t show any statistics then don’t bother writing your thoughts about something. At the very least cite some sources for your words. I didn’t pay anything but I also didn’t receive anything back either. What really upsets me is people like you posting bogus things you accept as fact. As you can see I am an old soldier too and the Bush years were the worst thing that has happened to this country including the Great Depression. For 8 long years you put your head in the sand and let him bankrupt America and now in only 3 years you whine because it is not fixed yet.

http://profile.yahoo.com/YP7QLPPO57D6KADQK3HW2S3YFA Old Soldier

So I guess you think the Democrat solution of printing more paper money and borrowing against it and spending more on social programs is correct??? Someone has to start cutting back on the spending. I end up paying extra every year and many in my neighborhood don’t pay a penny, but because they have small children they receive 1) Food stamps, 2) WIC benefits, 3) EIC on taxes. Some don’t pay any taxes and yet receive up to $11,000 back in tax return. Really upsets me to see this crap!!!!!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
SeaSurfer

All of Ryan’s college was paid for with US Taxpayer dollars as he received survivor Social Security Benefits starting at 16 years of age (his old man died early of a heart attack) and he used the SS Tax Dollars to pay for his personal school costs! This was better than a school loan as he didn’t have to work a day to pay it back! And you don’t hear this leach mention this public assistance he got with US Taxpayer dollars! Now this guy wants to screw the elderly thru privatizing medicare, screw poor women thru not funding Planned Parent Hood, give the rich large tax cuts so the nickles will trickle down to the middle class, screw teachers who teach our kids, screw federal workers, etc. Then this guy slobbers on Romney’s shoes because he wants to be the VP candidate. Ryan’s a typical self centered delusional right winger. Ryan, give those tax dollars back!!!
bigsurmac

When Ryan’s Politician-For-Hire career is but a memory, he can move his act where wealthy older women are in need of “Boy Toys.”
He will be perfectly trained.
bigsurmac

When Ryan’s Politician-For-Hire career is but a memory, he can move his act where wealthy older women are in need of “Boy Toys.”
He will be perfectly trained.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D52GRRU5XFLHPZVGEH7MATYUUQ Corliss Holly

The title of this story is extremely misleading. I’m looking for this “handsome” man and you show me the face of Eddie Munster?! What’s up with dat? No story here.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D52GRRU5XFLHPZVGEH7MATYUUQ Corliss Holly

The title of this story is extremely misleading. I’m looking for this “handsome” man and you show me the face of Eddie Munster?! What’s up with dat? No story here.
http://profile.yahoo.com/XWNK5E33OIFUMQVAGQQA7GDM2M Bigspender

… and, like Mitt Romney, he’s a serial liar.
http://profile.yahoo.com/XWNK5E33OIFUMQVAGQQA7GDM2M Bigspender

… and, like Mitt Romney, he’s a serial liar.
nylorak

He is NOT handsome!!!!!! I’d love to see what he would do if he was not receiving a paycheck every month, or however he gets paid, had no health insurance and could not fee his family. I guess if you don’t have to worry about those things, it is easy to have a “So-called wonderful Plan? Give me a break!!!!

CAThinker

It wasn’t a wonderful Plan. I think it was described as “Marvelous”…

nylorak

He is NOT handsome!!!!!! I’d love to see what he would do if he was not receiving a paycheck every month, or however he gets paid, had no health insurance and could not fee his family. I guess if you don’t have to worry about those things, it is easy to have a “So-called wonderful Plan? Give me a break!!!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-J-Bartley/100001150266977 Robert J Bartley

If that’s handsome than I am an Adonis/Golden Boy. Do not confuse this meatball with a Catholic. He coluld not make a pimple on a Catholics butt.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-J-Bartley/100001150266977 Robert J Bartley

If that’s handsome than I am an Adonis/Golden Boy. Do not confuse this meatball with a Catholic. He coluld not make a pimple on a Catholics butt.
http://www.facebook.com/JimmyT09 JIm Thykeson

I know what Ryan wants me to do. My question is; what will he and his give up?
http://www.facebook.com/JimmyT09 JIm Thykeson

I know what Ryan wants me to do. My question is; what will he and his give up?
http://www.facebook.com/JimmyT09 JIm Thykeson

I know what Ryan wants me to do. My question is; what will he and his give up?
ObozoMustGo

Gene, you’re such a hack, you write things that make NO SENSE at all. Let’s look at this statement of yours:

” In essence, it would amount to a massive wealth transfer from the poorest to the wealthiest Americans.”

Let’s just think about this logically, shall we? How exactly do we take “wealth” from people who are poor? By definition, “poor” means having NO wealth, correct? Of course it does. Except with the useful idiot set like you that are intent on carrying Obozo’s water, no matter what the cost to your professional reputation. You’ll say the dumbest, most illogical things to make a point that doesn’t exist.

Like all the other leftist nutjobs on this site, Gene, critical thinking has been cast aside for the “good of the party”…. hmmmmmm

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Gene, you’re such a hack, you write things that make NO SENSE at all. Let’s look at this statement of yours:

” In essence, it would amount to a massive wealth transfer from the poorest to the wealthiest Americans.”

Let’s just think about this logically, shall we? How exactly do we take “wealth” from people who are poor? By definition, “poor” means having NO wealth, correct? Of course it does. Except with the useful idiot set like you that are intent on carrying Obozo’s water, no matter what the cost to your professional reputation. You’ll say the dumbest, most illogical things to make a point that doesn’t exist.

Like all the other leftist nutjobs on this site, Gene, critical thinking has been cast aside for the “good of the party”…. hmmmmmm

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

Gene, you’re such a hack, you write things that make NO SENSE at all. Let’s look at this statement of yours:

” In essence, it would amount to a massive wealth transfer from the poorest to the wealthiest Americans.”

Let’s just think about this logically, shall we? How exactly do we take “wealth” from people who are poor? By definition, “poor” means having NO wealth, correct? Of course it does. Except with the useful idiot set like you that are intent on carrying Obozo’s water, no matter what the cost to your professional reputation. You’ll say the dumbest, most illogical things to make a point that doesn’t exist.

Like all the other leftist nutjobs on this site, Gene, critical thinking has been cast aside for the “good of the party”…. hmmmmmm

Have a nice day!

jnap

You take from the poor by cutting all of the safety nets like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and by “leveling the tax code” which means taxing people at the lowest levels of earning while giving tax breaks to those that earn the most. Just remember that a tax cut of 5% to someone earning a million dollars equal $50,000.00. A tax cut of 5% for someone earning $50,000.00 is just $2500.00. The difference is $47,500.00. So when politicians say they are giving everyone a 5% tax cut what they are saying is they are giving the majority of the cut to the rich.
Also don’t forget that in order to give the wealthy a massive cut everyone else will have to have a massive tax increase. With income taxes the lowest in 80 years and an economy that is just starting to recover how can even more of what got us in trouble – tax cuts for the rich help.
Ryan is fooling no one. Seriously, how much money does the rich need to be satisfied? The answer is all of it and then some.

ObozoMustGo

uhh.. jnap…. exactly who’s money is it that we are talking about? Does it first belong to the gubmint or to the one who earned it? Please advise.

Have a nice day!

holyreality

No hedge fund manager ever “earns” their riches, they don’t even know what the term “work” involves as all they ever do is hire someone to “work” for them. Why do conservatives feel so sorry for the poor punished successful? Their taxes are at the lowest in a century, why are they such victims?

Money is debt, the fractional reserve money creation makes this so. Every precious dollar in a conservatives’ clutches represents not wealth, but what somebody owes somebody else.

As legal tender, those dollars do not belong to any one person, but the US Treasury. Fools who believe that they can store wealth in these instruments tend to believe Ayn Rand was a visionary, and Ronnie Raygun saved the world from evildoers.

ObozoMustGo

It’s clear from your comments that you’re one of those useful idiots that actually thinks only manual labor is “real work”. How can you be so stupid and ignorant? Oh… wait…. that’s right…. stupid and ignorant is BY DEFINITION a leftist nutjob state of mind! No wonder you’re a parasite on the rest of us. Your perceptions of “work” and value are formulated by cliches and lies that satisfy your jealousy and envy of what others have.

Money is the value others place on your time and effort. It’s a uniform means of exchange that allows me to buy a gallon of milk without having to approach the store owner with something I have to offer in trade. It’s a highly efficient means of completing transactions. That’s what it is. Although the currency itself is a treasury “note”, it’s value is not in the paper it’s printed on, but on what one can use it for to satisfy their needs or wants. As such, the argument over what money is is a moot point to the discussion. Therefore, when a person works, their earnings are their own, not the government’s, even if the government issues the currency, you fool! And those who have earned a lot, tend to “store” their wealth in tangible assets that produce income, not in stacks of green paper with pictures of notables on them that they bury in their back yards.

Wealth is created by the acitivities of private individuals creating something of value for others. And yes, hedge fund managers create something of value to others in the world of finance, whether you like it or not. Government creates nothing, it only takes from those that do. You really cannot be as stupid as your post makes you look, can you? Well, maybe you are that stupid. Too bad. You are a terminal moron!

Have a nice day!
ObozoMustGo

It’s clear from your comments that you’re one of those useful idiots that actually thinks only manual labor is “real work”. How can you be so stupid and ignorant? Oh… wait…. that’s right…. stupid and ignorant is BY DEFINITION a leftist nutjob state of mind! No wonder you’re a parasite on the rest of us. Your perceptions of “work” and value are formulated by cliches and lies that satisfy your jealousy and envy of what others have.

Money is the value others place on your time and effort. It’s a uniform means of exchange that allows me to buy a gallon of milk without having to approach the store owner with something I have to offer in trade. It’s a highly efficient means of completing transactions. That’s what it is. Although the currency itself is a treasury “note”, it’s value is not in the paper it’s printed on, but on what one can use it for to satisfy their needs or wants. As such, the argument over what money is is a moot point to the discussion. Therefore, when a person works, their earnings are their own, not the government’s, even if the government issues the currency, you fool! And those who have earned a lot, tend to “store” their wealth in tangible assets that produce income, not in stacks of green paper with pictures of notables on them that they bury in their back yards.

Wealth is created by the acitivities of private individuals creating something of value for others. And yes, hedge fund managers create something of value to others in the world of finance, whether you like it or not. Government creates nothing, it only takes from those that do. You really cannot be as stupid as your post makes you look, can you? Well, maybe you are that stupid. Too bad. You are a terminal moron!

Have a nice day!

http://profile.yahoo.com/BEICL3B5IEPMIBRNJHM6BFTGCU Raoul

Well, the Republicans will back him up all the way – if they are rich, he is in their favor; if they are poor… then they are not Republicans or don’t have a clue as what is going on..
http://profile.yahoo.com/BEICL3B5IEPMIBRNJHM6BFTGCU Raoul

Well, the Republicans will back him up all the way – if they are rich, he is in their favor; if they are poor… then they are not Republicans or don’t have a clue as what is going on..
http://profile.yahoo.com/BEICL3B5IEPMIBRNJHM6BFTGCU Raoul

Well, the Republicans will back him up all the way – if they are rich, he is in their favor; if they are poor… then they are not Republicans or don’t have a clue as what is going on..
http://www.facebook.com/nomoregwb Tom Friedman

I guess we all have our points of view. Rather than go into a detailed account of how the right side of the aisle has their strange points of view, lets just say that they go through their lives as ostriches and let it go at that.

I’m a prowd Democrat and would love to discuss the point but I type slowly and cannot spend prescious time trying to change th minds of people who “hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest”.
http://www.facebook.com/nomoregwb Tom Friedman

I guess we all have our points of view. Rather than go into a detailed account of how the right side of the aisle has their strange points of view, lets just say that they go through their lives as ostriches and let it go at that.

I’m a prowd Democrat and would love to discuss the point but I type slowly and cannot spend prescious time trying to change th minds of people who “hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest”.
http://www.facebook.com/nomoregwb Tom Friedman

I guess we all have our points of view. Rather than go into a detailed account of how the right side of the aisle has their strange points of view, lets just say that they go through their lives as ostriches and let it go at that.

I’m a prowd Democrat and would love to discuss the point but I type slowly and cannot spend prescious time trying to change th minds of people who “hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest”.
swinedance

The most important quality needed to succeed in politics is sincerity. Once you can fake that you’ve got it made. Ryan certainly can do that.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QFTD4SSX5TR5T6YNW7WVHPSJZI Fred

It is time for Wisconsin to elect someone else. Does he lie to make himself look good?
Perseus Wong

Speaking as an indie voter who voted for Obama in ’08… your hit piece conveniently omits the fact that Obama and the democratic super majority failed to produce a balanced budget in 2009, 2011 and 2012.

You also intentionally obscure the fact that GWB’s last two years in office was essentially a lameduck presidency as Democrats were also the super majority in BOTH houses from 2007 to 2008 when the mortgage crisis begun (of which the loose lending standards of Fannie+Freddie, a pro-democrat GSA precipitated).

Dismissing Ryan’s attempt at a balanced budget as extreme won’t also divert our attention to the fact that under Obama, our the national debt shot up from $11 trillion in early 2009 to $15 trillion plus presently.

Calling Ryan a ‘Con’ won’t hide the fact that our credit rating was downgraded as a consequence of the Democrat’s excessive borrowing and destruction of real capital.

This blame bush meme won’t work on indie voters like me who genuinely believed Obama would be a centrist reformer and pragmatist. His economic record, bolshevik-like rhetoric and embrace of Left-wing special interest in the last four years have proven otherwise.

ObozoMustGo

BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!

Very good, common sense post, Perseus. Thank you. Please post more often.

Have a nice day!
jnap

Like the previous administration did, right? And how can any administration pass a balanced budget when one side wants everything for the rich and other side says that is not fair OR balanced. Let me see, who is the party of NO? Who has control of congress? It is impossible to pass any bill these days without a super majority. It used to be just the majority won but now it has to be more. If you want a balanced budget get rid of the Bush tax cuts for everyone and raise the rates on the rich. Nothing else will work and sooner or later that will be evident.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3AEVYAEPTF5EQAQBKY7B4IUSU EAT THE RICH

another amoral scumbag , needs “topping”
bstockinger

Neither side of this debate has a clue how to balance the budget or reduce our deficits. It will take all of the following: tax increases, spending cuts, and changes in mandatory spending programs. We also have to figure out how to fix our education and infrastructure messes at the same time. Everyone will have to participate in this to fix the problems we have as a country. The trouble is, everyone whats the other guy to pay.
citizenmb

“Handsome is as handsome does” goes the wise old saying. UH OH, not so cute after all, Mr. Ryan!
http://profile.yahoo.com/6G66WV6C2KBAOH2SGHK7FCQ7JM David

Sadly, ignorant people follow these scumbags like Ryan; if the sheep willingly go over the cliff…..
William Deutschlander

Putting things in plain english, Ryan is a CAD, a CON ARTIST, a LACKEY and a LIAR all rolled into one package of deceit, the exact definition of a STAUNCH REPUBLICAN.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Williamson/100000603670307 Paul Williamson

Lyons is right on, and knows his facts. I have read the complete Ryan budget, and it would be an unmitigated disaster to 99% of the citizens of the United States. By the way, I am an Independent, not a Democrat, who often votes Republican (at least used to vote Republican until the crazies got control) and I am also in the 1%, but I have many hard-working employees, relatives and friends who are in the 99% who would be decimated by this unfair and one-sided budget which only benefits the fat cats (many of whom were lucky or born to wealth rather earning it the hard way, like I did) at the expense of hard-working Americans not so fortunate. His plan for medicare would reduce half the middle class to poverty. The conservative’s motto seems to be, “with all those sheep out there, it will be a pleasure to shear them” . They, including Robme (sic) will find out the hard way in November that the sheep do not like to be sheared.

edwardw69

Me too. I use to vote Republican. I even voted for Mr. Nixon, and he sent me into Cambodia. I liked the heck out of so many Republicans, but they were the moderate types; that type no longer exists.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000202117585 Rhonda R Renee

I couldnt even read this after the first line Matinee Idol looks ???? OMG go directly to the eye doctor!!!! He has the same crap eating look everyone in the GOP seems to have he isnt handsome and not even close to Matinee Idol, cannot read article cause I am roflmao
Ibsyboy

What is this fixation of making the wealthy wealthier without a drop of sweat on the part of the wealthy? I hear their punishing the successful line, pure crap. That’s a Frank Lutz special for sure! The GOP’s idea of a fair 100 yard dash, give the Wealthy the Gold Medal with out having to run and everyone one else has one hundred pound weights on each ankle.

edwardw69

Hey now, give the devil his due: for example, Donald Trump was given 4 billion dollars by his father, and through incredible hard work (brow sweat) he has turned that 4 billion into 2.3 billion. Go Donald! (By the way, how’s that birth certificate investigation going?)

ObozoMustGo

Why does The Memo completely avoid the riots and crimes being committed by the loser bums in the Occupy crowds yesterday? Oh… wait…. we all know why… because riots and problems caused by radical scumbags on the left would not be good coverage, would it?

Anyone that wants to know about the crap that the Occupy bums do, Google the following string:

“Occupy Wall Street Rap Sheet, Sodahead”

You’ll see the rap sheet just from Oct. to Dec. and it will take you an hour to read line by line.

Have a nce day!

edwardw69

What about the ” riots and crimes” committed by you and your parasitic friends on Wall Street a few years ago? Oh, pardon me: that was all legal meyhem. Countenanced by you and your friends in government. And because you people think the sun shines out your nostrils, you think it will continue to do so.
Two things about the underclass: you can feed them or you can kill them. Take your pick.

ObozoMustGo

Eddie… your best friend must be a strawman, because that’s all you talk about. While on a certain level I agree that big business in general, not just banks, are much to close to government, that is a trend that applies to both sides, but mostly to DumbocRATS. Besides, if you want to know the real truth, Obozo and the DumbocRATS get WAAAYYYYY more $$$$ from Wall Street than Republicans do. It’s true. Look it up.

And there you go again, eddie.. coming up with another completely illogical and stupid statement about “2 things you can do with the underclass”. I know I’ve asked you this before eddie, but how stupid can you get? You’ve hit rock bottom, and you’re starting to dig again. Cant wait for your next post. No need to kill the poor, Eddie. Only a moron says that crap. Instead and better yet, teach them how to be self sufficient. There’s a great deal more pride in earning your own way than there is in sticking your hand out for freebies, my friend.

Have a nice day!

edwardw69

…”teach them to be self sufficient.” (sic)
Good luck with that.

And, let’s see……. I am ” illogical…stupid….moron,” Why do you call names, vageorge? You forgot “faggot.”
By the way……those medals, vageorge?

ObozoMustGo

Ed, I am not vageorge. Really. I am not.

http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

Montanabill, the Republicans controlled both houses most of the time Bush was president. Did you forget that fact when you claimed that Bush went along with a Democratic controlled houses? Seems like that fact is always being forgotten when people defend Bush. As for Ryan, he is a first class hyprocite, he wants cut to Social Security and so on yet he and his family grew up on survior’s benefits from Social Security after his dad died when he was a child. He has said that if it hadn’t been for the money from Social Security he wouldn’t have been able to go to college, so he got his piece of SS but doesn’t want any of the people that have paid into for years to get any of it. As for his so called budget, it only contains stuff that penalize the middle class and poor for being middle class and poor yet rewards the rich with tax cuts to make them richer while making the rest of us poorer. No budget is better than Ryan’s so called budget. To the writer of the article, Ryan isn’t handsome, his nose and ears are to big to call him handsome.

noelle99

I don’t see handsome either. His ideas are ugly that’s for sure. How these greedy characters rise to the top is beyond me, they need some common sense pummelled into them. Their theories makes me sick, and will make us all sicker and poorer

Ibsyboy

Dear Sir, Was my question that difficult to explain. Your insults may serve you in some misguided way. But you failed to answer the question. I didn’t ask how the GOP delivers wealth, I ask why they insist the wealth of our nation should be in so few hands. There is history behind my question. Robber Barons, Magnates of Industry. Low wages, child labor, no health care, no such thing as an American Dream, except in Andy Hardy Movies. If this issue of the wealth of the nation being controlled by profiteers is okay with you, than that is enough of an answer for me. Oligarchs are at the gates, and your just fine with that. Well who is the fool? The one who lets them in or the one who wants to charge them for the privilege. I think I know who you are. You want the Daddy State the Oligarchs will provide. Low wage jobs, rental homes, less access to a higher Education, the poor can go to hell. Privatize Prisons and Highways, The money we are spending now will continue to be spent to the advantage of a few. We have become the “them” the irrelevant portion of the population. We used to have the power for the vote. But elections can be bought and so can legislation. Ryan’s bill was written by some lawyers at ALEC. I’d be surprised if Ryan could fill out a job application. he is an empty suit with a nifty bill written by those who benefit the most. This is your America. It surprises me no matter your age, that you are so ideologically blind not to see what’s gong on. The old hand out, song and dance, is running out of gas. The poor are with us and will be for ever. You have been massaged with the fingers of deceit to believe the poor are the crux of all our problems. ANd you have been convinced that you are to be proud that you are not one of them. Because you are a good citizen, with pride and dignity to have risen above your ancestors who suffered under the Oligarchs at the turn of the 20th Century. The Jewish, Italian, German, Irish, Immigrant Ghettos of every large city in America. We are heading there again. The number of poor in the USA is increasing daily. And it is not some mad rush by people to get a piece of that easy living the poor have. In my town unemployment rate in the poor neighborhoods runs at 20%. I assume the other 80% are employed. Working to keep their heads above water. That’s no life for an American. Why are they the ones who should suffer for Mr. Ryan’s tax cuts for people who have more that enough to live on. And don’t give me the job creators crap. The taxes were lowered under Bush and continued under Obama, you would think by now we would have a glut of jobs, more jobs than there are people to fill them. I’d ask you to explain that, but i think I could do without more insults.

ObozoMustGo

Isby, this is what you wrote: “Care to explain the GOP’s obsession with delivering more of the Nation’s Wealth to the Wealthy.” I didnt write it. You did. You clearly state that “the GOP delivers wealth to the nation’s wealthy”. Read it again, boy, that’s what you said.

All of you leftist nutjobs are exactly the same. You believe that the economic pie is fixed and the whole point of this life is to “get your piece”. You actually are stupid enough to believe that someone that is wealthy must be so because they were better at scamming everyone else into giving them their piece of the pie. They tricked those poor people without ever having to break a sweat or do an honest day’s work, right? Now those wealthy hoard their wealth and the only way to get it back is for government to punish them by taking it and then giving to the poor guy. WHAT KIND OF MORON BELIEVES THIS CRAP????????? You do. So does that knucklehead holyreality and whole cadre of useful idiots that roam these boards on The Memo.

Ask yourself “how did this happen to your brain?” You are so wrapped up in this “we versus they”, class war mentatlity that you are likely waaaayyyyy to far gone to help. It’s a disease thinking like that. It’s a disease seeing everything through the holy trinity of the left: race, gender, and class. You need to get over it, dude. There is NO conspiracy of rich people trying to get richer by making you poorer. It’s not there. Put it aside and grow up.

Have a nice day!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDVBJFCDH7LEWBUN3HMUQFVOKU Renfield

This may be at least an indoor record for straw men demolished in a single screed.

ObozoMustGo

Thank you Renfield!

Have a nice day!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BDVBJFCDH7LEWBUN3HMUQFVOKU Renfield

This may be at least an indoor record for straw men demolished in a single screed.
edwardw69

There are 400 people on the top who have more money than the 136 million on the bottom. Do you think those millions will starve silently?

ObozoMustGo

You know, eddie, one of the most frustrating things to do in this world is to talk about a subject logically with someone that is primarily emotional, particularly a leftist nutjob whose thinking is driven by jealousy and envy.

How can you buy off on the concept that “if we just tax the rich some more, we could give it to the poor people who wont be poor anymore” kind of thinking? Really? What kind of idiot really believes that crap? Leftist nutjob idiots do, thats who!

In America, we have a fluid society where poor people become rich and rich people become poor. It happens every day. That’s what we have in an “Opportunity Society”, eddie. We dont have set classes, no matter how much you dummies on the left like to think we do. We dont. Let’s just ask ourselves some rational questions, shall we?

1) Who are those so-called “400″. You mean the Forbes 400, correct?
2) Well, now Eddie, lets look back at the history of that list. Are the same people on it year after year, or does that list change? –> it changes!
3) If it changes, why? Do you think that maybe somone like Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook founder) was on the list 3 years ago? 5 years ago? No, he was not on that list then, but he is now.
4) Does the first list in 1982 resemble the 2011 list? Barely.

The point is that nothing prevents someone who wants to be rich from being rich, except in societies where the government insists on equal outcomes, and punish achievement. Socialist ideas of redistribution of wealth are BAD ideas that have NEVER worked. Not once, never. Anywhere! Period.

There isnt enough money on that list to dent our government. Even if we confiscated 100% of the $1.5 Trillion that makes up the Forbes 400, we still could not run the Federal Government for even 6 months!!!! DID YOU READ THAT CORRECTLY? We could confiscate 100% of their wealth and the government could not even operate for 6 months!

Eddie, our problem is NOT that we dont tax enough, its that WE SPEND TOO DAMNED MUCH!

What the heck is so hard for you leftist nutjobs out there to understand about this?

Have a nice day!

edwardw69

My youngest son is called Eddie. I go by Ed.
The 400 hardly change. Some are Forbes, and almost overwhelmingly they are decent people.
And no, I am not one of them nor the 136 million. I own property, stock, and a US Army pension. I am doing fine, and so are my three sons–Eddie is the youngest.
You haven’t answered my questions. Feed them or kill them?
ObozoMustGo

Gotcha Ed! So noted. And thank you for your service to America! I mean that sincerely.

I did answer your question, Ed. Please go back and read it.

Have a nice day!
edwardw69

Best wishes to you , also.
ObozoMustGo

and sssshhhhhh! dont tell anyone I can be nice. I have a mean reputation to hold up here.

Goodnight!
edwardw69

Well, you’re definitely not vageorge. He is downright insulting.
However….. Change your call sign.
ObozoMustGo

Dont want to change my call sign. It makes a point that I feel strongly about. We can just politely disagree on that.

I gotta run. Probably wont be on for a few days as I am traveling. Have nice weekend, Ed!
edwardw69

If you don’t change your call sign, I’ll have to call you Obozo. I too am traveling– going to Sarapiqui to get some heloconias from a friend of mine.
ObozoMustGo

You may call me Obozo. I get called all kinds of names around here, as you may imagine! I dont mind at all and kind of like the vitriolic responses to tell you the truth. I laugh my butt off A LOT!

See you back on here next week, Ed.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1386175753 Lorri Garske

WHO STARTED ALL THAT SPENDING. THE E WAR TRAITORS. NOW WE ARE BUYING YOUNG VETERANS 3 NEW LEGS. THAT IS EASY TO FIGURE OUT.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1386175753 Lorri Garske

WHO STARTED ALL THAT SPENDING. THE E WAR TRAITORS. NOW WE ARE BUYING YOUNG VETERANS 3 NEW LEGS. THAT IS EASY TO FIGURE OUT.
ObozoMustGo

Lorri… dont you have an “Occupy” riot to go to?

Have a nice day!

FedupBadger

Yes indeed your tag says it all. It says ” I am an openminded, non-bigoted, person of intellect.” NOT. Rove and Grover and the Cock Brothers are so appreciative that they have fools like you to defend them.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.
hubydoll166

Dude, what planet do you live on? either your wealthy and take advantage of these same tax breaks or just plain blind or even stupid! The ironic thing is that if the GOP plans were to go forward then you would not like the end results and be screaming for justice unlessd your one who games the system too..you defy logic on every level. I sat back and watched since the 80′s when we held corporations at bay from becoming too big for the very reason why we are having this conversation today. Dont you know that the small biz will be a thing of the past and that the chances for people to live the american dream will be much harder to achieve because so few control and monopolize everything? Do you have children? maybe not? Once a person achieves all the money they will ever need in a 100 lifetimes then the only thing left to do is to control social order and lead wages down..its a real sickness and needs to be stopped..our very fabric of our country is getting torn and twisted because of ideologists that seek power and will destroy our country in the process..you dont see something sinister and evil going on here? Your beloved GOP started the ball rolling on whats going on today and they are very good at this but you dont ever talk about the massive debt they put upon us but choose to blame the presidfent who now seems to be the only person in washington dealing the the aftermath of the GOP initiated debt spiral..you are living on the moon dude or you dont think much of our democracy and are one who has their hand in the cookie jar..that will change soon. I actually feel great pity on you because you are the exact type of person who the GOP pray for to be born everyday..the rest of us realize when we are getting a raw deal but the people like you are so ignorant that its getting me sick to my stomach.

ObozoMustGo

huby…. my hunch is that what’s “getting you sick to your stomach” is not what I write, but too many trips in front of the mirror…. just sayin

Have a nice day!

hubydoll166

I doubt that..dude, at the end of the day, I will do great with the GOP plan but im not all about myself… Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: How The GOP’s Golden Boy Works His Con

jebediah123

Where do you get “handsome”? The guy looks like a vampire to me . I’d hate to meet him in a dark alley.
http://profile.yahoo.com/7M2DKJ3IACEZW2TKS3DP7F2LHU Lorraine

We were down graded because the Republican Controlled House held the debt ceiling hostage. Remember Eric Cantor and John Boehner walking away from discussions.

ObozoMustGo

Lorraine… you cant be so stupid as to believe that the downgrade was because someone actually tried to keep our debt from growing, can you? Really? You cant have a straight face and type that, even if your an online plant from the Obozo team.

The downgrade had nothing to do with our escalating debt driven by uncontrolled SPENDING and the market’s growing feeling that the US is not any longer as good of a credit risk as they once were, could it. Noooooooo! Of course not. Yeah, right… sure sure… Only in leftist nutjob world does increasing spending and radically driving up debt beyond our GDP make us more financially stable!!!

Come on y0u idiot, get real!

Have a nice day!

edwardw69

You’re not vageorge by another handle, are you? Insulting people. Calling names. You sound like the guy. Hey, George, is that you? What war medals were those, george? Dates of service?

ObozoMustGo

eddie, not only are you stupid, you’re a paranoid delusional wacko! No, I am not George. But it does sound like George would be someone I get along with if he’s cracked on your stupidity before. He cant be all that bad, can he?

Have a nice day!

edwardw69

Name calling…why not civil discourse? Why do you have to call people names? I am retired from the US Army. Combat soldier. And even if I had been support, and not combat, I would still expect respect. The same respect I’ve given you. When have I called you names?
ObozoMustGo

You are correct Ed. Dont take the insults personally. I dont really mean them. Most lefties throw them out right off the bat and I’m used to flinging them back. Please accept my apologies.

Where did you serve in combat?
edwardw69

Vietnam. LRRP 75th Rangers.
The first tour with C Company, II Corp, 1st Field Force.
Second tour, N Company, 173rd Airborne, LZ English.
Third tour, the entire 22nd year of life, in four different military hospitals.
I opposed Iraq and Afghanistan before we even entered. I oppose Cuba and Iran. When the war comes that we need to fight, I will be there. But, none of the above.
ObozoMustGo

God bless you, Ed! I’m sort of with you on the wars but not totally. I think we use our military to go smash things and kill people. You “eff” with us, we blow you up. Take it to Congress and get declaration of war as required by the Constitution. And for Pete’s sake, don’t stay there and waste my tax dollars nation building. It’s not worth it in the middle east. Those people are mostly animals with 5th century mentality.

Have a nice night, Ed!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MMOOQPAW5A4ZOQKD2CBF7HBTGE Jon

Baaaaaaaaa ! Hail to the neo-con sheeple.
hybrid80

Dear Bozo
Uncontrolled spending? What do you think J P Morgan has been up to ?
TWO BILLION I believe with a straight face, you idiot.
Him and all the other Bush deregulated banker losers are what caused the loss of credit by their Real Estate GAMBLING with other peoples money. So why don’t you just layoff Lorraine with the nutjob and idiot stuff unless you are looking in the mirror.

ObozoMustGo

hybird… this is an old thread. What happened, did you just wake up from your alcohol and shroom-induced coma? What kind of useful idiot are you if you cant see the difference between a private bank and our public treasury?

By the way…. I dont care how much money they lose… NO FRIGGIN BAILOUTS! NOT ONE DIME!!!!!

On that I suspect we can agree!

Have a nice day!

noelle99

You can say that again.
edwardw69

Perhaps, someone else already asked this, in which case, I repeat: who are the people who continually elect this man to represent them? What are they like?
noelle99

That’s a good one too. Pity it’s way beyond the complicated thinking at government levels… reminds me of our FDIC insured savings where the cap was $100k for years, till somebody turned on the light and got it up to date.

Keep it simple.
Ibsyboy

It all comes from,what you would probably find boring, the socio-economic history of America, pre-minimum wage, pre health care benefits, pre-weekends off, pre-paid vacations, pre-holidays off, pre-cost of living raises, pre-collective bargaining, pre-child labor laws. Do you honestly think the wealthy and the corporations of today are any different now then they were back then? You’re a fool if you do. Why are they so insistent on defeating Unions, supporting Right to Work States, lower taxes, reduction in regulations covering just about everything from pollution to wages, health care, public education. Can you answer why they are buying the GOP to get them to change the laws that inhibit uncontrolled profit taking? And in the course of their gluttony, the middle and working classes are the ones who will suffer. I don’t want a re-distribution of wealth, just not so much wealth in the hands of so few people who wield such influence over a political party hell bent on pounding us back to the turn of the 20th century. If your myopic brain can’t see this, your are a perfect constituent for the GOP. Blind to the Oligarchs and the enormous financial power they have over your party, your mind and the constant fight for tax breaks, to be paid for via cuts in Medicare and Medicaid. Just go back to the Robber Barons and Industrial Magnates, they are still with us and would love to return to the days when the government worked for them, as the GOP does today. Now if they could only own the Senate and White House, Eureka! Happy days are here again, but not for you my friend.
If they should succeed, we Leftist nut-jobs will be around to help start all over again and return America to the citizens the way it was when Eisenhower was President.. We’re a consumer society and no one is consuming, how do you explain the Stock markets health? Simple, they don’t make anything anymore. It’s a fine print economy. A piece of paper crosses the room on Wall Street and increases in value when it arrives on the other side of the room. That’s called money making. You can not sustain an economy based on the value of a piece of paper. We tried that already back in the deregulated era of GOP/Bush Economics. And they want to run that flag up the flag pole again. And you apparently will be happy to salute it, I am sure. Your patriotism is based on a negative, angry, contemptuous, low self esteem ideology that works against your own self interests. Your buying the LIE hook, line and sinker. If there were more of you, Newt Gingrich would be your candidate, with Reverend Sanatorum as his spiritual councilor. Good Bye Miss American Pie, drove my Chevy to the levee but the Levee was dry. Your a sell out to the Future of America. A bystander, ready to throw confetti at the Koch Brothers and their ilk.
Sorry Ducky, that failed before and it will fail again. The guilt will be on you and yours.
Ibsyboy

That same tired old boring song. Blame the system, the system the Wealthy are trying to change through the Political Party they own lock stock and barrel, the GOP. The constant beat of; if only taxes were lower and fewer regulation and smaller government, we would all have jobs, live in a nice home, drive a nice car, send our kids to college, and retire with full benefits. If only the damn government wasn’t so tight with controlling obscene profit taking. That is what this fight is about. Profit taking. None of the legislation introduced by the GOP benefits the average American in any way shape or form. If there is I will be happy to stand corrected. Every bill regardless of the topic contains tax cuts for Big Money. Ryan’s grand scheme, built on a tax break scam with nothing coming to the average American. The only reward they are offering you is the sad joy of getting rid of their biggest impediment to complete control of the government, Barack Obama. That’s your end of the bargain. You can wake up the day after the election and be happy for a minute that Obama is gone. That’s all your ever gong to get. That’s the booby prize for buying the LIE. This is all about money and profit taking. Nothing more nothing less. How do you explain all of the Billionaires throwing money at the effort to get rid of Obama, he will cost them a precious couple of million. Get the GOP in there, the Big Bucks can pick up the phone request a piece of legislation and presto! you got it. Don’t like the EPA. Presto! It’s gone. Along with the Department of Education. The Justice Department. Any and all regulations that stand in the way for profit taking. This is the sad reality of what this election’s all about. There no Socialism, no re-distribution of wealth, no loss of liberties. It’s all a lie to scare you into thinking you count and your vote matters. You will never get anything you think you will get, if Big Money wins. Things will get so bad you wish you would have paid attention to the signs of the grand plan Big Money has for itself. And I emphasize ITSELF. They don’t want to share the wealth now and if they get control they will never share anything with the great unwashed. Good Luck Ducky with your Utopian Dream. The poor will still be around, and there will be many more of them. Better make sure those funds to build more prisons are allocated. Poor folk get mighty angry when they get hungry.
http://profile.yahoo.com/AL4K6Z6JPKNDYW5RTU6PS6UVZY Gerald Luke

Remember when we had President Clinton. We had a balanced budget! We had more money then we needed. This surplus was to be used to pay down the national debt, yes by 2015. Would that have been nice. I know we had a balanced budget for I was trying to buy savings bonds and was told at the bank the government was no longer borrowing money.
The balanced budget left at the time Bill Clinton left the White House. Who is responsible for going back to the red spending? Do the math!
Ibsyboy

Oh my God, a believer. Yep it’s all that simple, blame, blame, blame. But, ignore the enormous amount of the nation’s wealth in so few hands, hands that own the GOP. That constant drum beat for tax reduction, deregulation, you don’t hear that? Its deafening. Every stinking piece of GOP legislation no matter what the main issue is, contains tax breaks for the Billionaires, is it an unfair question to ask, Why? And the number of Billionaires sinking millions of dollars to get rid of one man, Barack Obama, why. It has nothing to do with the Socialism BS or the re-distribution of wealth BS, he is in the way of uncontrolled profit taking. No matter what else you choose to believe that’s all this is about MONEY and BIG MONEY at that. Obama stands between Big Money and their desire to take every last penny they can out of America. Please if you would, cite me one piece of legislation proposed by the GOP that does not contain a tax break, and while your at it find one that benefits you. Your reward for your undying loyalty will be if Obama loses you can celebrate for a day or two. That’s all you’re getting out of his defeat. In a nut shell, your undying loyalty will get you nothing in the end. No health care, no cost of living raises, no help to get your kids or grand kids into college But, you will get privatized highways, privatized prisons, with laws so strict there will never be an empty cell. You will all so see your state taxes go up. And sales taxes. You think your paying a lot for gasoline now? Better invest in a bicycle. Public transportation will not be affordable, because that will be privatized. Check out the UK, they privatized the rail system, it’s so darn expensive the trains are empty. I don’t deny you your right to choose what you want out of life, but I find it to be an obligation to let you know what your in for. Just do me a favor, follow the money. It’s all going into the defeat of Obama, not because he is a Democrat, it’s because he is in the way of Big Money’s desire to become Bigger Money. It’s that simple. No song and dance. MONEY, MONEY. And in the end, you will be exactly where you are today. No better off, very possibly worse off. I don’t trust profiteers, they don’t like minimum wage, benefits for employees (WalMart ring a bell), social security, Medicare, medicaid, 8 hour days, 5 day weeks, paid vacations, cost of living raises, they want to offer a job for the wage they want to pay and if you don’t like it there is someone else who Will be happy to take it.
That’s what they want. Just look at a Right to Work States, and look at the wages people are being paid, with no benefits. That’s how they want it to be. Sorry to be the bearer of the reality of it all. It’s that simple. Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money.

http://www.facebook.com/wksapp Wayne Sapp

Excellent letter. The only thing you missed is the bills they are passing to stop the poor from voting and to make sure women don’t make as much as men for the same job. (See Walker, Gov of Wisconsin)

noelle99

The idea is to stop those with no ID from voting, even tho they have no proof of any real fraud in the present voting system…which is around just .004%. Who are these people rushing thru to pass these new state laws? Yeah.. you guessed it! Another no brainer!! Stop the vote!!!
I saw on TV today a 98 year old lady who had actually walked with MLK and had voted ever since, but this year she will not be able to vote because of this new state law where she lives. Are you kidding?? How is this possible??… well… yet another no brainer!!

montanabill

Yep, the few really wealthy that own the GOP, like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Daniel Ackerson, Jeffery Immelt, George Soros, the Jobs family, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, Rob McKay, Susman Godfrey, Larry Ellison, etc. I needn’t go further. The fact is that 60% of the wealthiest Americans are Democrats. Does that bit of information put a little hole in your theory?

Ibsyboy

You missed the point. When concern is shown for the power of wreath in a few hands, it is directed at the people who own and control the GOP. The party which on the day of the inauguration, while an historic crowd of over 1 million people on the Mall watching the swearing in of the President, were huddle in a room making plans to totally obstruct the upcoming congressional year. Now these men at that clandestine meeting were plotting to over throw a President disliked by the Wealthy folks who own the GOP to shut down the Congress, by agreeing to not consider or vote for anything the President of the United States of America proposed. It’s one thing to disagree and negotiate, it’s another to flat out obstruct the operation of a government on purpose. History will reveal the tyranny of that decision. What these guys did was historically unprecedented. It was encouraged by Big Money who feared a President with an intention to work for the People in a way that would cost them Profits and control of government that they were used to under Bush. And please spare me the “oh yeah, well you guys did it too” routine. No one has done what they did on that January day in 2009 in the entire history of the United State of America. That’s the kind of crap that goes on in Latin American Countries, when the junta plans to over throw their government. It was treasonous. Sorry you missed the whole point of the danger of wealth in a few hands. It’s whose hands the wealth is in. And re: The GOP and their ownership. It’s scary as hell. Wake up my friend. You’ve be sucker into a false se3nse of reality. You are misdirected by Socialism, re-distribution of wealth, Obamacare. That’s all a load of crap, preached to you to get you to look the other way. None of it is true, but you bought it anyway, hook, line and sinker. The GOP and their ownership are not nice people and they don not have a lick of concern for you. Tell me one thing they have done to benefit your life in the last ten years? You won’t be able to. They got you so cranked up on contempt, hatred, and negativity.

montanabill

You could have a career as a conspiracy fiction writer. Obviously, you haven’t done any research on the distribution of wealth in the U.S. It is not in just a few hands. It is not in same hands for generations. This was and is the land of opportunity and people take advantage of that every day. Somehow, I gather, you didn’t.
I don’t want government to do anything to benefit my life. That is not the role of government. The idea that a government can create a ‘fair’ and ‘equal’ society is ludicrous. I want them to roll back all of the nonsense departments that do nothing, e.g. Energy, Education, get rid of the 10,000 new regulations created during the Obama Presidency and then another 10,000 from prior administrations. I want them to get out of healthcare, duplicate welfare agencies and czars. In short, I would like to have people be a heck of lot more responsible for their own lives and for government to get back to, and supposedly limited to, the things it was assigned in Constitution. I want sunset clauses on all departments, agencies, committees, laws and regulations. If they are good they can be reinstated.
Question: why is it that any position that disagrees with any from the left is either treasonous, racist or hatred? There is an old saying that I think is appropriate. When you point a finger at someone there are three fingers pointing back at you.

hybrid80

The ideal Republican Government is one which has Market Control for a constitution, an actor for a president who knows his lines and shows up on time, a innocuous debating society for a Congress, no taxes to spend on social services, a single broadcasting media, the strongest army on earth and maybe a war every ten years, profitable prisons, profitable private schools, profitable parks, no regulation of business or banks, mandatory life sentences for the stealing of a loaf, and of course a Supreme Court to invariably determine that their self serving interpretation of the constitution is correct.

albertkapustar

Really intelligent comeback.you name a few wealthy Democrats and say most support the Democratic party.Where did youy get your “facts” Fox news. Most of the billionaires that support your rethuglican party don’t run for office they buy their politicians in sec ret,like the Kock brothers so you never hear about them. Its this type of fuzzy thinking that keeps rethuglicans stupid.

montanabill

Might be fuzzy thinking or it might be absolutely true, but you’ll never know.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Howard/100000394970672 Nick Howard

Well, bill, let’s just assume for the sake of argument that you are not a liar that just made up those numbers(you are a liar and did make up the numbers though). Those people you listed are very rich people who think it is morally wrong to try to buy lower tax rates for themselves at the expense of the poor and middle class. Please explain why the billionaires on your side that want only to lower their own taxes while putting millions of Americans into poverty are more moral? That makes sense only if you are a Randian idiot who thinks only saps do the right thing.

montanabill

Well Nick, let’s assume you are smart enough to look things up on the internet at sites that don’t have a political agenda. Is so, you can easy verify my numbers. Are you trying to tell me that, say, Nancy Pelosi is working for a higher tax rate? (check her history) Or George Soros? Or even Buffett, who is fighting a $1 billion tax bill? Do you think it is morally right for people who make 24% of the income have to pay 44% of the taxes (another fact you can look up)? You might also explain just exactly how these Republican only billionaires can put millions of Americans into poverty by paying less taxes or how they can keep them out of poverty by paying more taxes. That would be a pretty cute trick and I’d like to know the answer.

montanabill

You are aware aren’t you, that 60% of the richest Americans are Democrats?
Only in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000 a plate campaign fund raising event.

hybrid80

What’s your source — Murdoch’s rags?. Of course, the Banks with their JP Morgans, Wall Street, and Big Oil, are all full of the Democratic bastards. Rich candidates don’t need to campaign to raise funds — they are pelted with the stuff! Would that they be pelted with something else!

edwardw69

Done.
Ibsyboy

Well done. I like the irony. And the Donald is an American treasure.
http://profile.yahoo.com/BCXLHV2B4E3ZLTOYJKJOJTFXZI Jl

First of all who said the man is handsome.. Good lord what politician is honest and sincere, they all say they are going to so things and then nothing gets done.. Fire all of them and start over with a new crop.. Also only let them be senator’s, etc. for 6 years, then kick them out;. I’m not voiting for any of the candidates and I’ve voted at every election..

Ron Paul makes more sense than any of the candidates running for any office.. Go figure
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4JK5UTBYBW34I6QZZXYEBMSTT4 TEN-OF-WANDS

Trojan horses come in many shapes and sizes. When we all awaken to the PORNOGRAPHIC NATURE OF OSTENTATIOUS MATERIALISM, such men as this will be muted, neutered, and made to take their own inward journey.
http://www.facebook.com/wksapp Wayne Sapp

Bozo, Over 70% of the wealth in this country was inherited. Paris Hilton comes to mind, one of Fox “News” best and brightest I assume? The GOP loves to cite our 35% highest in the world tax rate, but the average corporation pays less than 20, after deductions. General Electric pays nothing, and they field those cutsie little animal ads that people like you no doubt suck up, and they are in fact the worst corporate polluter in the United States with over sixty abandoned superfund sites. Keep watching Fox Bozo, and vote Repiglican; You’ll get exactly what you deserve.
rothgar

The right’s generousity is only noticably greater when Church giving is considered. Of course the majority of most Church’s budgets go for charity to the hired help and paying for their facilities. Check the numbers that detail was included.
rothgar

What you are saying doesn’t match surveys taken of business owners. They are most interested in demand, demand, demand Regulation is fairly low on the list and taxes even lower.
rothgar

How about supplying 40 billion in tax breaks to Big Oil. How about 25 billion in tax free loans and bailouts to Commercial Aviation after 9/11. Allowing tax deductions for moving plants off-shore. Allowing capital gains (which do not require any expenditure of time to accrue) to be taxed at an extemely low level just barely more than the FICA on a worker.

How about allowing extractive industries to dig, drill and wreak the environment without even paying a reasonable fee for the privilege. How about the Conservative insistence (its from Milton Friedmann) that we bail out banks but don’t regulate them.

how about making sure that IP is protected in free trade deals but not workers rights.

All ways that I could think of quickly that the system is rigged for the rich. Read Conservative Nanny State for a more complete dissertation.

ObozoMustGo

OK… once again…. for all of you leftist nutjob morons that complain about “oil subsidies”… here are THE FACTS:

A few pertinent features of these “subsidies” to oil companies that Obama wants to cut.

•They are all tax “breaks,” or earnings that oil companies get to keep, not money paid out from the US Treasury.
•The amount of earnings not collected in taxes is about $4.3 billion per year — about 0.2% of this year’s deficit and enough to fund about 10 hours of current US government spending.
•A full $3.55 billion of that amount (82%) is due to the way taxes are treated for all industries or manufacturers. To change these tax laws only for oil companies would require singling them out among all industries for special mistreatment. (I’m not a lawyer, but that sounds like a bill of attainder to me, something our Constitution forbids.)
•The only tax in which the oil industry seems to get special treatment compared to other industries is intangible drilling costs. The amount of that subsidy? That would be $0.78 billion per year — enough to fund less than two hours of federal spending in 2011, and not even half the amount we are lending a foreign-owned and state-owned oil company for drilling offshore Brazil.
•Oil companies already pay tax rates of 40-50% of income. For one company, Exxon, in one quarter of one year, that amount was over $8 billion, or almost double the so-called tax “subsidy” for all oil companies for an entire year.

If you think oil companies enjoy some special privilege because of the money they throw around Washington, DC, consider that the Oil & Gas industry ranked only 19th in the amount of money contributed to politicians in the 2008 election cycle: $17.7 million. Who was number one? Lawyers, who contributed $126.9 million, or over seven times as much as the Oil & Gas industry. The Education lobby gave $37.4 million, more than twice as much as Oil & Gas.

Have a nice day!

montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
montanabill

I tend to view government solutions as ‘one size fits all’. I’d be very hard pressed to name a single government program that works efficiently and cost effectively. Even the really socialist systems of Europe have a hard time with health care. The ultimate result is rationed care for all. It gets back to that ‘fairness’ thing. Is it fair for people who cannot afford healthcare to not get it? Is it fair for people who can pay to get lesser care simply because it would be unfair for them to get better care?
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.

ObozoMustGo

huby… we agree on something! Remember, politicians are like diapers… both need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason!

Have a nice day!

hubydoll166

There you go…we agree..finally. I just think we as the american people need to at the very least get our government back working for us and then we can figure out the best ways to look to the future..this is crazy whats going on today..I can say that we are all strung along on a bogus ride. its just the GOP are exposing themselves bigtime now.. Subject: [thenationalmemo] Re: How The GOP’s Golden Boy Works His Con

ObozoMustGo

huby… you can see through 1 eye, but you’re blind in the other. BOTH parties since Woodrow Wilson, with minor exception, have been gradually leading us down the garden path toward a blend of socialism and crony capitalism. The D’s have been moving toward a socialist ideology and have been completely taken over by them about 10 years ago. The R’s have allowed the creep toward socialism in law and regulation in trade for protecting their big industry buddies from competition. Since the rise of the D’s in 2006, a lot of industry has changed allegiance to the D’s, especially banking. Wall St. gives WAAAAYYY more money to Obozo and the D’s than they do to the R’s. Things have changed.

American’s, at least most of us, have a queesy feeling in our stomachs about the future of our country. How you express that depends on whether or not you are a D or an R. It’s why there’s so much bickering going on. You blame the GOP, the GOP blame the Dems. And the pols who continue to get reelected and somehow become wealthy while serving in Congress without ever “working” like it that way.

I have written extensively in these pages for 2 months now about the peril BOTH parties have put us in over the years. Our government has put us in HUGE debt by promising more and more goodies than they could afford for decades, borrowing from future generations to buy their votes of today. Our debts are growing faster than we pay them off now and our Federal Reserve has been following a policy of monitizing our debt/deflating our currency.

Lefties like to blame defense spending because they see it in competition with their socialist ideals of wealth redistribution for “taking care of the poor”. Righties blame entitlements. Looking at the Fed budget, both are correct.

The only way to really solve the problem is for Americans to have a constructive debate over what the role of the Federal Government should be. According to the Constitution, our Fed Gov is involved in way more aspects of our lives than ever intended. If after debating the role of the Fed Gov as Americans want it, and they dont like the Constitutional restrictions, then there are provisions for changing it.

In truth, we need to get rid of the permanent political class and elect citizen legistlatures who will go and serve with the best interests of the country in mind, adhere to The Constitution, and not with the idea of how will they lock themselves into Congress forever so they can get rich.

That’s my 2 cents.

Have a nice day!

hybrid80

This is the underlying motive in the Republicans say no to everything. Render Congress useless by compromising on nothing. Appeal to the public that nothing gets passed because they are all just politicians. Then say throw all the bums out. The Republican members will just have to take one for the team, getting tossed with the rest. The slate is now clean of bad Republican records, and super pacs can get to work bum rushing Tea Partiers into the breach.

hubydoll166

Its not about left or right wing anymore…its about saving our future and our childrens future FROM THE NUT JOBS IN WASHINGTON..they all are more worried about what they will get when we boot them and are in a mad hurry to secure their private sector bonus by throwing our future under the bus…VOTE!! AND STOP THEM!!.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Godfrey/100000665142650 Gary Godfrey

Mr. Ryan is exactly right about how to balance the budget. He just doesn’t give a hoot about how it will affect a huge number of Americans. But that is OK, because people can move back in with their parents, or older folks can move in with their kids. On the other hand, just as cats can be skinned in a variety of ways, budgets can also be balanced in more ways than one. Lets just hope the voters can see through the card tricks.
http://www.facebook.com/martindeansloan MartinDean Sloan

Wow! Ibsyboy Normally I instantly see a string GOP rightwing nutbags screaming How this is a lie that is unwarranted and etc etc RepugniCon lie after lie… Well, Good to see there is a few of us out here that realize the truth. In other words…What he said…
Ibsyboy

You paid attention in grade school during the history session. How about that Cherry Tree Washington chopped down, and the dollar he threw across the river. Your naivete is astounding. Gonna fix those roads yourself, how about that Military, gonna buy a gun, pay for your own airline ticket and defend the country, do your own air traffic controlling when you fly, start your own police force, put out your own fires, You can’t possible think you live an independent life free of government. You gonna paint and install stop signs, paint the lines on the roads, fix the traffic lights, build your own trash dump. Protect the water supply, You’re about as deluded as they come. You would not be able to survive with out government in your life. It doesn’t begin and end in DC. There is the state, the municipal, the township, the borough. They all provide you with services. And you pay for them. And this asinine notion that this country can run on a smaller federal government is ludicrous. If the states take on the burden of the federal government, they will build bigger bureaucracies to run it, and they will need money, like higher taxes, it all trickles down. The states and cities can not function on their own, if they try you would be pissed at them in time, then you would want to reduce the size of that form of government. Next choice anarchy. When did you stop studying history? Right after grade school and the white picket fence picture they painted for you. The Robber Barons and Industrial Magnates actually existed, and if you think that mentality is not still around, then you are a bigger fool then i sensed. It’s not the people who make a lot of money, it’s the people who can’t get enough. The following is not fiction: Exxon-Mobile. Big oil spill in Alaska. Exxon Valdez. President Bush Sr. sent his guy up there to get it cleaned up. Oversee it. He reported to Exxon-Mobile that it would take about 5000 men to do the job right. Exxon-Mobile told the Presidents representative to go pound sand. The Prez’s guy reports to the President the President contacts Exxon-Mobile. Prez calls his representative and tells him to return to DC. No 5000 men. Clean up still going on. That’s the kind of Wealth I don’t like and you should be ashamed to call your self an American if you are okay with that kind of power. So get in touch, get your head out of the clouds and find the real enemies who are screwing us over,and enough of this Liberal, Commie, Socialist BS. Get real my man. Get your head out of the sand. Fair and equal, well if you live in your own home, have or had a good paying job, have health insurance through your job, got paid for your vacations, had weekends off and holidays, you must have your head so far up your butt to think the government didn’t have anything to do with that. You can’t be that dumb. Yeah lets deregulate the whole country, let rivers be polluted, no clean drinking water, no over site of anything. I’ve got a bridge to sell if your buying. Now I am totally convinced you must be living with Peter Pan. You buy the propaganda that cut the size of government and everything will be just peachy. Shut down the police and fire departments, I know privatize them. Maybe we can send all the Blacks back to Africa, they all live on welfare, and the Chinese, they’re all suspicious, speaking of which why not get rid of the Italians, they’re all mafia, and don’t leave out the dumb Polish and the drunken Irish, And toss in those terrorists Middle Easterners. I see where this is going . Pick your favorite reason the country is going to hell and just get rid of it. And as far as people being responsible for their own lives, if I had to choose that and you became responsible for your own life who is going to protect me from you. God help the people who have to sit down to dinner with you. Your a typical knucklehead. The perfect choice for the GOP to string along.

My friend you have been bamboozled. It’s just that simple huh? Just get rid of the department of education. Yeah, let’s get dumber than we are. You nuts!!!!

The role of government is determined as much by the bad guys who need more rules than necessary to do the right thing, as it is by the needs of the citizens. Tell the oil companies to be careful when drilling, do it safely. Recent spill in the gulf, every friggin’ regulation was disregarded, but you, you would be okay taking their word for it. Put the Fox in the hen house and take his word he won’t eat the chickens. NAIVE!!!!!
http://twitter.com/Sunnyandsierra Carolyn L. Stine

Maybe Ryan has aspirations of becoming an undertaker. After all, with all his changes a lot of people will be dying!
dallasne

So Ryan claims he would eliminate tax “loopholes” just so he could establish new tax loopholes. Those that he would end mostly impact the middle-class and those that he would create would benefit the top tier — now if that isn’t ass-backwards I don’t know what is.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1690317771 Queenof Pittsburgh

Paul Ryan looks like a total nerd, which keeps him from being handsome. What keeps him ugly is the pretensious elitism he as in himselt that he leaves shownig every time he speaks to the public. I like real people, such as myself, and he’s not one of us.

ObozoMustGo

Clearly queenie… Paul Ryan is NOT one of you…. that is a slack-jawed slobbering moron and useful idiot! Paul Ryan is a brilliant man, unlike your messiah Obozo who wont release any of his academic records because he would be embarrassed and all would know that he is slack jawed moron like you!

Have a nice day!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1690317771 Queenof Pittsburgh

Anyone who think he’s sincere is as face and elitist as Rush Limbaugh. They should be best friends.

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