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Thursday, October 20, 2016

WASHINGTON — The right wing has lost the election of 2012.

The evidence for this is overwhelming, yet it is the year’s best-kept secret. Mitt Romney would not be throwing virtually all of his past positions overboard if he thought the nation were ready to endorse the full-throated conservatism he embraced to win the Republican nomination.

If conservatism were winning, does anyone doubt that Romney would be running as a conservative? Yet unlike Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, Romney is offering an echo, not a choice. His strategy at the end is to try to sneak into the White House on a chorus of me-too’s.

The right is going along because its partisans know Romney has no other option. This, too, is an acknowledgement of defeat, a recognition that the grand ideological experiment heralded by the rise of the Tea Party has gained no traction. It also means that conservatives don’t believe that Romney really believes the moderate mush he’s putting forward now. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if the conservatives are forgiving Romney because they think he is lying, what should the rest of us think?

Almost all of the analysis of Romney’s highly public burning of the right’s catechism focuses on such tactical issues as whether his betrayal of principle will help him win over middle-of-the-road women and carry Ohio. What should engage us more is that a movement that won the 2010 elections with a bang is trying to triumph just two years later on the basis of a whimper.

It turns out that there was no profound ideological conversion of the country two years ago. We remain the same moderate and practical country we have long been. In 2010, voters were upset about the economy, Democrats were demobilized, and President Obama wasn’t yet ready to fight. All the conservatives have left now is economic unease. So they don’t care what Romney says. They are happy to march under a false flag if that is the price of capturing power.

The total rout of the right’s ideology, particularly its neoconservative brand, was visible in Monday’s debate in which Romney praised one Obama foreign policy initiative after another. He calmly abandoned much of what he had said during the previous 18 months. Gone were the hawkish assaults on Obama’s approach to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Israel, China and nearly everywhere else. Romney was all about “peace.”

  • bcarreiro

    i think mitt needs a V8….maybe it will keep his story straight.

  • I agree in principle, but make no mistake, the “reasonable” Republicans that emerged a few weeks ago are the same ones that called for the privatization of Social Security, dismantling of MEDICARE, more irresponsible tax breaks, more loopholes and subsidies for the wealthy, elimination of middle class tax deductions, and a record of plant closures and outsourcings that augur disaster for the middle class and the poor. They are the same arrogant, greedy and unscrupulous politicians that tow the line for the likes of the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson and others, but wearing sheep skins as Halloween costumes until after Nov. 6, when the true RR will emerge once again.
    Republican voters know their latest strategy is a con job to convince the naive, and they put up with it holding their noses, until the day after the election.

    • Dominick, I suggest people, on these boards, watch a documentary called, “Heist.” It blames both parties and it also shows how we have been duped by big corporations.

    Our balance of trade is bad and
    has little chance of being reversed.
    This “Free” Trade ideology has allowed access to our economy for goods made overseas
    under low wage structures plus government subsidized businesses and oftentimes dumping below cost to capture our markets. We have lost the bulk of many industries as textiles and apparel.
    The “Free” trade has eliminated millions of our good, middle class jobs giving us a service/financial economy. This economy cannot support the “lifestyle” Americans have enjoyed for many decades. The top 1% has done well. Average income for them=1970-$318,000—1980–$318.000–1990–$393,000—2000—$875,000—2008—-$988,000—2010—$905,557
    Share of wealth by 1%=20% in 1976 and 34% in 2004
    We need tariffs plus enforcement of agreements to punish “dumping”.In the last decade we closed 58,000 plants. You can observe them in almost every city in North Carolina.

    • Muammar Gaddafi was pushing other Arab countries to adopt a gold standard currency which would have eclipsed the dollar and the euro.

      So the whole country of Libya was sacked in order to kill him.

      When the ‘rebels’ ousted Gaddafi, what was the first thing they did ? Form a new GOVERNMENT ?

      Nope. They formed a LIBYAN NATIONAL JEW BANK.

      Now, why would they do that?

      And even though they ‘ousted’ Gaddafi, he remained sole proprietor of the Libyan National Bank (the original one) until he (and his heirs) died.

      So… guess what? 

      The EUSSR needed Libya’s oil and since they have been on US military welfare since WW2, they had their dupe Sodom Hussein Obama arrange the assassination of their newly uncooperative stooge Muammar Queerdaffy, who they previously had on the UN Human Rights Commission.

      In Syria, nobody wants to get involved because it would force them to admit that George Bush was right and the WMDs Saddam Hussein did have and did use on Kurds and Iranians went over to his friend (and formerly theirs) Bashar al-Assad in the Ba’ath Socialist party.

      These EUSSR socialists can never face the facts of what socialism really is.

    • I agree with much of what you said Clarence…but I’m not sure protective tariffs are the way to go now. Maybe it was back in post-colonial days when our industries were small and had to compete with the superpower of industrial manufacturing and exports, Great Britain. And it was the Smoot-Hawley protectionist tariffs bill that Congress passed sometime after the Wall Street panic and stock market crash of late 1929…that made the economic downturn in America turn into a world-wide trade war of retaliatory tariffs…and resulted in the Great Depression…The ‘fair’ part of NAFTA was not really enforced much with our South of the Border neighbor(s?). I’m sure Canada behaved because, well…they’re Canadians. There are many other more effective ‘tax-related’ cures to deal with our loss of manufacturing base and jobs. Starting with elimination of tax breaks for sending those jobs overseas. I was a little stunned to read some time back that many auto manufacturing jobs had been moved into Canada…because their universal health care plan made the cost of making cars cheaper…?….Private group insurance premiums and health care costs per unit/car as a labor cost of manufacturing were that much higher in the USA than in Canada. Maybe that will start changing with ACA (Obamacare).

  • old_blu

    I find it amazing that he still has people that follow him, I mean if they stood behind him because of his conservative views, what are the following him for now?

    I mean how can all these people stand for both sides? He not only agrees with what Obama’s doing he thinks he had alot to do with all of Obama’s tough decisions, unless they were bad ones of course. GEEEZE!!

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • Muammar Gaddafi was pushing other Arab countries to adopt a gold standard currency which would have eclipsed the dollar and the euro.

      So the whole country of Libya was sacked in order to kill him.

      When the ‘rebels’ ousted Gaddafi, what was the first thing they did ? Form a new GOVERNMENT ?

      Nope. They formed a LIBYAN NATIONAL JEW BANK.

      Now, why would they do that?

      And even though they ‘ousted’ Gaddafi, he remained sole proprietor of the Libyan National Bank (the original one) until he (and his heirs) died.

      So… guess what? 

      The EUSSR needed Libya’s oil and since they have been on US military welfare since WW2, they had their dupe Sodom Hussein Obama arrange the assassination of their newly uncooperative stooge Muammar Queerdaffy, who they previously had on the UN Human Rights Commission.

      In Syria, nobody wants to get involved because it would force them to admit that George Bush was right and the WMDs Saddam Hussein did have and did use on Kurds and Iranians went over to his friend (and formerly yours) Bashar al-Assad in the Ba’ath Socialist party.

      You EUSSR socialists can never face the facts of what socialism really is.

      • Winston is it true that the symbol for the Libyan National Jew Bank is a man with horns???? I just love the facts that som people come up with. Those inside the conservative bubble must be getting claustrophobic and need to let some fresh ideas and air into the bubble before more of them go bats**t. Winston get back on your meds.



        • Stop playing with your handle.

          You’ll go blind doing that.

          You read the Jew York Times too much.

          • Whoever hates Jews are an enemy of God. Jews are God’s chosen people and the apple of His eye. But you, being an atheist, it doesn’t matter to you. Hell is full of atheists.

          • Shut up, you dumb religious phaggot…

          • Usually the one who screams the loudest is the exact thing he is trying to accuse others of being. I will pray for your lost soul. You sound like you are possessed by your father Satan.

          • The Hindus, Christians and the Muslims say the same thing about their religions, the Buddhists just don’t give a phuck…

            Buddha wasn’t a Christian, but Jesus would have been a good Buddhist.

      • TZToronto

        Uh, I Googled your new bank, but all that came up was your comments. There doesn’t seem to be a website for this bank, and I don’t know where you’re getting this garbage. . . . Perhaps you should lay off the spicy curry for a while.

        • Wolltest du nicht zur juedischen Bank gehen?

          • old_blu

            I’m not sure but I think you got the wrong head circumcised.

          • The girls call me pony boy for two reasons…

            So, you are playing with the penises of little Jewish boys?

          • old_blu

            Why? Do you want some candy little “pony boy”?

          • Is that you, Mr. Sandusky?

          • old_blu

            No it’s me Mr. Romney wanting you to go to church. And I’ll do anything to get your vote, me and Rush are here for you, and we have kool-aid.

          • You lying phaggot pedophile…

          • old_blu

            Damn we have gone to name calling huh “pony boy”?

          • phuck off, you dumb phaggot…

          • You should have taken your medications before you came on this board.

          • go phuck yourself

      • sigrid28

        WB: Have you seen the film “American History X” (1998)? ? Are you open minded enough to watch it and then get back to me?

        • h t t p : // w w w

          • old_blu

            I should have known you were out of my league, good day “pony boy”.

          • Definately out of your league.

    • As Rush Limbaugh stated, there are people who would even vote for Elmer Fudd as long as he was a Republican.

      It’s not about policies or ideals or agendas. It’s about power. The G.O.P.’s one and only policy is to remain the dominant political party, whatever the cost.

      It should come as no surprise, therefore, that their presidential nominee is a man whose only policy is to become president, whatever the cost.

      • Ed

        Rush should know, he is herding them.

        • HEADLINES…

          Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus…

          Senate leader Reid in hospital after crash…


      • colette paul

        Oh, I see! The “I’m, a Republican” seems to be the blinding statement. I’m a Republican and I refuse to see what is happening to my party because I was born a Republican. That really frustrates me. Keeps people from openly discussing issues and making independent choices.

      • D. Hunnel

        Absolutely — Romney doesn’t want to DO the job, he just wants to HAVE the job.

    • colette paul

      Good question, when I ask people why do you still support Romney in light of all the history, falsehoods and flip-flop they say they hate Obama, but my question is about Romney…. and why do you hate Obama….. I don’t want to talk about…. so I say is it because he is BLACK? and then they mad!

      • They might get mad and accuse people of playing the race card, but it is there and once in awhile they tip their hands. One poster on these boards said Obama talked in ebonics and another said he didn’t hate, he was angry about political correctness. However, political correctness is not a law, it is a form of decency.

        Sarah Palin made the remark about Obama’s shuck and jive.

        I have f riends and relatives who moved to the south. They say racism is still strong in that part of the country.

        A word to those who use the old saw, “play the racist card.” It is not a game we are not playing. Racism is real and be honest enough to admit you are a racist.

    • daniel bostdorf

      This is simple math friends.

      Romney can’t win the electoral college. Obama has Nevada, Colorado and Ohio.

      The game is over.

      • Daniel, I hope he still has Ohio. With Ohio’s AG, they might fix the election.

    • lemstoll


    • highpckts

      Because they know who he really is and are hoping he will return to his former self once elected!

      • old_blu

        I guess? And I hope not.

  • neece00

    We can only hope, the far right is not a good place to be. If Mitt gets in and he has to choose a supreme court judge, (which is very likely) we know it will be a very conservative one and there goes all the issues we hold dear. Roe versus Wade, separation of church and state, guns laws and many more that will change the dynamics of this country.

    • latebloomingrandma

      For all those undecideds out there—if you can’t make up your mind, vote on which party you wish to nominate the next Supreme court justice. A vote for a Republican president, who will install the 5th conservative, young justice, will alter our country in untold ways for perhaps 40 years. Think about the effect of the Citizens United ruling, and just imagine as to what will follow. If you are older and have youngish daughters, think about their uteruses, their opportunities in the work place, and how long they will have to work to reach retirement. If Social Security and medicare are given a drastic overhaul, so people can save for their own retirement as “freedom of choice”–you need about $500,000 minimum in your 401K to retire if you do not have a company pension or if SS is decimated, and Medicare is a voucher. So, seniors, do you see your 30 year old offspring saving that much money?
      I’m glad the election will be over soon. I have been sleeping poorly with the spectre of Romney, et. al. I want put out of my misery with a decision already.

      • Late, after the citizens united decision, I lost faith in the Supreme Court. It used to be a body we looked up to until it became the tool of big corporations.

      • neece00

        so as we are saying, the placement of a supreme court judge carries so many possibilities and some we don’t want to think about. Think about the abortion issue under a conservative court, a fetus will now become a person at the moment of conception and that in itself is disastrous. All forms of birth control will be banned, all abortions will be banned, rape will be an act of God and the male part will get a pat on the back. These are some very scary possibilities to ponder.

    • One of the most important reasons not to elect Romney.

      • neece00

        So true Maggie.

  • chipper69

    Romney has no convictions and will say anything to win the presidency and this should certainly be a red flag to most Americans. But when most states have done away with civics classes being mandatory, along with phys ed., an health classes, and think the arts are something to swept under the rug, no wonder the greediest among us has the balls to run for president. Will you fall for it? And what does that say about you?

  • latebloomingrandma

    It should scare everyone to witness the shape shifting of Romney. He comes across as a total product of his handlers. As if he ‘s asking —where am I today, to whom am I speaking and what do I believe? His practice as a businessman is to ask for, and pour over, numerous amounts of data, loking for certainty before making his decision. How will that style translate to numerous crises at random times landing at his feet, requiring decisive action?. We already got a taste of him speaking without having the facts, to embarrass the current president, but if he is in that position, how long will he take to make a decision, if there is no “certainty”? The issues a President gets are not the same as reading balance sheets. For all the bragging about his business savvy and understanding how the economy works, I’m not sure his practice is the right skill set for the versatility needed as POTUS.

    • nobsartist

      willard is in business with the RED CHINESE ARMY. The CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.

      That is what he is hiding in his tax returns.


      willard the rat is.

  • howa4x

    Mitt despises the Tea party and knows their agenda is a looser. The TP comes from states with limited populations except for TX but they are a riduculos state anywway. Think about it they gave us Bush II and Karl Rove. The majority of the population lives in the Blue states. and that is also where the national news media is HQ ed. Other than Fox they are all middle of the road. The tea party is in trouble in every state that they have some control and people realize their obcession with sex, and women’s reproductive rights is at best unhealthy. When they try to enact some of their polices there is a backlash, like was seen in Wisconson and Va., states that Obama will now win preciesley because of TP antics. Mitt kows this and is trying to create distance. He only cares about Wall st and dosen’t want to get bogged down in social issues unless he has too like endorsing Murdoch in Ind.which will cost him women’s votes. I think what is most telling about the republican party now is that their iconic hero Ronald Reagan would not be able to win the parties nomination.
    That about says it all

    • nobsartist

      willard the rat is financed by the same people that financed the farce known as the tea party.

      the kochs and the John Birch Society are one and the same.

      • howa4x

        I know that but he needs to move very far away from them

    • I really do think Mitt Romney is too smart to think like the tea party.I also think he should not be elected because his experience is that of a super salesman.

  • Fox followers / f ar Right wing will follow Mitt NO matter what he says or does or how many times he flips like a fish out of water WHY ? Its all about Obama LOSING Got it ?

  • Sand_Cat

    Wish I had your optimism

  • nobsartist

    The bottom line is the republiCON party bet on America turning against immigration and the change we have seen over the last 30 years in our demographics. This is all part of the long term plan put in place 30 years ago by reagun. It involved opening the doors of immigration, selling out technology and manufacturing to the highest bidder and lowering our way of living in order to break the unions and allow the pillaging of American workers to support the ridiculous salaries that upper management commands today.

    The chickens have come home to roost. Too many hard working people have been put out of work and too many highly educated people have been put into place and they simply cannot deliver.

    This is a perfect storm for the republiCON party and their racist beliefs. They figure this is the opportune time to turn America against people that have immigrated over the last 30 years and that they can use them at the same time as tools to break the unions and lower our standard of living to that of the average Chinese worker.

    This is why the John Birch Society and the koch family have taken over the republiCON party.

    This is also why it is time for the elimination of the republiCON party as any influence on our way of life.

    On November 7th after President Obama is reelected by a landslide, it will be time to get out the tar and feathers.

  • TZToronto

    There’s something to be said for your assertion. I never really noticed it before, but when Kang and Kodos ran for President (after Homer Simpson accidentally killed Bill Clinton and Bob Dole), the outcome would have been the same regardless of who won. Could this have been a statement about the American political system?

    • daopen

      sure. but only a statement of opinion about it. anybody who thinks clinton and dole were the same, for example, has forgotten that clinton tried to pass a national healthcare law, while dole led the drive that killed it.

  • TZToronto

    Excellent point! However, what you have mentioned is only the beginning. The neo-conservatives have been waiting for eighty years to dismantle FDR’s policies and fifty years to scrap those of Lyndon Johnson. So say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, unemployment insurance, civil rights, voting rights, integrated schools, and public broadcasting. Say hello to blatantly monopolistic business practices, mass offshoring of jobs, collusion, graft, and anything else that the Supreme Court can rule on that will make the wealthy wealthier and the poor poorer (no middle class, sad to say). The Constitution will be shredded, and no Presidential election will be able to reconstruct the U.S. for decades to come–if elections are even held. The only hope for renewing America will be Constitutional amendments to undo the damage a far-right-wing court will do.

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  • daopen

    i’m a republican.

    ‘it’s my party and i’ll cry if i want to, cry if i want to, cry if i want to. you would cry too if it happened to you.’

    i’ll cry all the way to the voting machine where i’ll vote straight D, as i have for at least 3 decades (except for a couple of votes for green party candidates).

  • daopen

    following up on the 2010 election results, we need to recognize that the left-to-right shift was an illusion produced by journalistic laziness that goes no further than looking at percentages to ‘analyze’ data. if you look at actual vote counts it quickly becomes apparent that the ‘swing’ can be explained entirely by dems sitting out the election.

    in 2009 and 2010, dems lost 22 races for governor or US senator in states obama carried. in 20 of those 22, the winner got fewer votes than mccain got in losing the same state. (obama outpolled the winners of the other 2 races too.) the only possible way that could happen is if a lot of obama voters did not vote in those subsequent elections.

    turnout is everything. if dems vote, dems win. if women vote, women win.

  • daopen

    @howa4x @nobsartist
    NEVER underestimate an opponent.

  • lemstoll

    Latest poll in Ohio showing right wing losing.

    • D. Hunnel

      And if you listen to what some of the analysts are saying, the early voting EXIT POLLS are trending dramatically toward Obama. On the other hand, if you listen to what some of the people with OVERSIGHT (able to compare current vote counts with those exit poll numbers) are saying, THEY are seeing variances, discrepancies which are raising flags re the credibility of the Voting Machines themselves. Expect litigation if this isn’t resolved before “early voting” turns into “November 6th, 2012: the Day that will Live in Infamy”…

  • D. Hunnel

    While the “new and improved” far far right has NOT managed to swing (and spin) Romney into his “throne”, we must NOT become complacent — in particular, the level of irrationality and rising frustration warrants an increase in vigilance against Teabagger-inspired acts of desperation — there are VISIBLY disturbed individuals reacting much like prodded fire-ants, looking for opportunities to “set things ‘right’ which have gone so ‘wrong’ after all that buildup”… And that vigilance debateably should be applied “across the board”, because while the Democrats are ostensibly responsible for the campaign’s “letdown”, Romney’s “highly public burning of the right’s catechism” could easily be construed (if the weirdness holds constant) as a denunciation which ALSO merits “retribution”…

    All of which can be rephrased as “there are a lot of frustrated wackjobs wandering around out there looking for targets of opportunity — don’t get complacent, and don’t forget a little bit of paranoia can be worthwhile — sometimes they ARE out to get you.”

  • widollar

    The GOP will unfortunately cook the books and the train wreck of Romney and Ryan can then have their war with Iran. The middle class will continue to struggle just as Romney’s financial masters want! The “foolish angry not too bright white man” will allow this disaster to happen by voting these two major misfts into the white house.

  • dalnb

    There are a lot of good Republicans who should have been in the running this year. I believe they have chosen not to run until the next election thus leaving the party with a dismal representative that is costing billions of dollars to get elected.

    Romney = of the wealthy for the wealthy!

  • I consider E. J. Dionne a very wise and pinpoint commentator. His political affiliation has nothing to do with it. He exhibits years of knowledge, experience and a vast degree of political savvy and acumen. One can usually take his word to the bank because his political forecasts usually turn out to be true. Republicans are banking on propagandized Romney lies to get them into the White White. They are not interested in truth, morals or values. The only thing they are interested in is absolute and total political power. They have sold American a bill of lies and are hoping that Americans are dumb enough to swallow it hook, line and sinker. The sad reality is that there are many who are taking the bait.

  • Awww. The left attempting to make “chicken salad” already.

    It’s cute.