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Wednesday, March 20, 2019

So it turns out that millions of people dealt with the Affordable Care Act enrollment cutoff pretty much the way they habitually deal with the April 15 income tax filing deadline: procrastinating until the last minute to insure maximum stress and standing in line. Like mobbing shopping malls on the day after Thanksgiving, it’s the American way of life.

One result was predictably negative headlines like this classic in The Washington Post: “HealthCare.gov tumbles on deadline day as consumers race to sign up for insurance.” Because as we all know, temporary computer glitches—which never happen in the flawlessly efficient corporate sector, of course—are the big story here.

In the news business, this is called “burying the lede.” It’s the equivalent of a sports story headlined “Third inning errors mar Red Sox World Series win.” Because the real news, sports fans, is that Obamacare has met and even surpassed every enrollment projection. Oddly, millions of last-minute shoppers decided they’d be better off with health insurance after all.

Who could have guessed?

At this writing, it appears that the late buying surge will carry Obamacare beyond the 7 million enrollments projected by the Congressional Budget Office. Too bad, because that quite ruins the visual effect of a comically misleading Fox News bar graph that contrived to make the 6 million citizens enrolled as of last week appear to be a small fraction of the 7 million CBO projection, rather than 84 percent of it. An alert basset hound wouldn’t have been fooled. Do they think viewers are morons?

But more about what Ed Kilgore calls “Obamacare denialism” to come. According to a Rand Corporation study reported in the Los Angeles Times, along with the 7 million newly enrolled in private insurance plans, roughly 4.5 million previously uninsured Americans have enrolled in Medicaid since the new law came online last November. Another 3 million young adults gained coverage through their parents’ insurance plans, as Obamacare allows.

Rand estimates that another 9 million Americans have bought directly from insurance companies, although many of those were previously insured. Overall, the uninsured rate has dropped from an estimated 20.9 percent to 16.6 percent in the law’s first year—hardly the sudden revolution in American health care some dreamed of, but a creditable start.

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113 responses to “Obamacare Denialism Is More Futile Than Ever”

  1. TheOldNorthChurch says:

    The question that has not been answered; Is it right to expect your neighbors and fellow citizens to pay for your health insurance? In Nevada we saw an average increase in prices of 179% even with subsidies. So what was the real cost of insuring these 7.0 million and how many could have afforded insurance prior to this? If I use to go to the store to buy an apple for $1.00 and was satisfied with that, why do I have to go to the store and by an apple and an orange for $1.79 when I don’t like oranges? Is it fair for those who want extra items covered by insurance to require others to pay for it? When will we levy a tax for obesity? Or for that matter other lifestyle choices that adversely affect our health and then the ultimate cost of healthcare?

    The question now before us; Did those who purchased this new wave of health insurance end up getting healthcare? Or was this another way of defrauding the American Public? The rest of this year will start to answer this most important question.

    • ken pifer says:

      I wonder if the numbers are anything like the liberals claim are for gun control. Most likely.

      • Sand_Cat says:

        I wonder if you can make any post on this site that does not display laughable ignorance and malice. Not likely.

    • John Kruger says:

      In Nevada we saw an average increase in prices of 179% even with subsidies.

      Citation needed.

      • TheOldNorthChurch says:

        I am traveling and will get you the citation. It has been in our local newspapers for many months. Nevada had the low amount of insurance regulation in the country and benefited by having the lowest rates.

    • ProudACLU says:

      Is it fair to expect your neighbors who are for gun control to be shot by a “responsible” gun owner in public? Look, the whole concept of insurance is you by it with the hope that you never need it. All the ACA is saying is that since 99.9% of the people in the US are human and will require at least some healthcare in the lifetimes, it is entirely proper to make sure as many people as possible buy it.

      • Pete Prez says:

        You mention Gun Control, can you not get it that if you would leave the 2nd ammendment alone, the GOP would be dead meat, It is the GOP’s Ace in the hole.

        • joe schmo says:

          When we get rid of Crime entirely we can think about it. But then again IT IS THE 2ND AMENDMENT. You mess with that you might as well eliminate the Constitution altogether. Oh, that’s right, you wish to degradate everything American. So what’s you answer to all this ‘Comrad?’

          Let’s see you walk down the streets of Compton and Watts by yourself on a dark summer night. LOLOLOL

          “A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.”~Gerald Ford

          “Governments don’t want a population capable of
          critical thinking. They want obedient people just smart enough to run themachines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.” –George Carlin

      • TheOldNorthChurch says:

        Proud – you did not answer my question. I was not talking about gun control. I have needed healthcare and have paid for it when it was necessary, but why should I be expected or forced into paying for someone else?

        • ProudACLU says:

          We obviously have different view on this – but to me when we call ourselves a “civilization” it means that we no longer pursue tribalism. Meaning that I am my brothers keeper. Should you pay for your neighbors healthcare? should I pay to send troops to countries that are not attacking us? The price we pay for living in a modern world is we are responsible for each other. By taking the “libertarian” view point of “screw you, I’ve got mine” cheapens the whole human experience.

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            Different opinions. We live in a civilized society and so we are not responsible for each other but are responsible to each other. Having freedom and individual responsibility strengthens and enriches the human experience.

        • bwilly321 says:

          you are already paying for the poor uninsured through higher health costs. Every time they go to the ER for some ailment you would see a doctor for they cost everyone because they can’t pay for it. Republicans in congress don’t want you to realize that. ER’s are required by law to treat everyone regardless of ability to pay. BTW “TheOldNorthChurch” I don’t think Jesus would approve of your attitude toward the poor. Check your Bible.

        • dpaano says:

          Because, as a taxpayer, whenever someone goes to the ER for care and doesn’t have insurance…..the cost comes out of YOUR pocket in the way of higher insurance premiums, higher hospital costs, etc. So, I’d rather everyone were insured so my taxpayer money can go for something more beneficial……like infrastructure, etc. But, I guess that’s just too logical for the right to understand.

      • bikejedi says:

        You mean except of course most of the Obama voters who got waivers right ? Or the ones who will get free coverage from the Medicaid expansion right ? Or the mostly Dem Public Union members who get theirs on the backs of the Tax Payers . This isn’t healthcare it is forcing Americans who didn’t support this agenda to purchase an inferior plan pay more for it just so Obama can give free shit to his voters .

        • ProudACLU says:

          I am an Obama voter and can guarantee you I received no waiver. See, I’m in the 1% yet I still care about my fellow citizens. I give heavily to charities, I mentor youths, and ever day I go out and try to make a difference in someones life. I also have this remarkable ability to look beyond whatever “news” I’m given for the real story and ignore any talking point from either side.

          • bikejedi says:

            Your name says ACLU ..you made the 1% doing that ? Well Im glad you give back . That is good but the fact remains that every single one of the waivers has gone to Liberal supporters of Obama .These are the very people who should be signing up for it but unlike Pelosi they read it and didn’t like it .

          • dpaano says:

            Every single one? Are you SURE? Where’s your proof of that or is this just something that you got from FAUX News? I hate it when people say things and seemingly have no proof. As a note, I’m a liberal supporter of President Obama, and I didn’t get any waiver. Most of my “liberal” friends didn’t either.

        • JPHALL says:

          Where do you get your information? Those so called “Dem Public Union members” are also working tax payers. Did you pass Civics class? Most high school grads learned in tat class that along with rights there are responsibilities that go with citizenship.

          • bikejedi says:

            Public Union members are paid by Tax Payers and most make double what their counterparts in the private sector ( USA Today ) . As they don’t produce wealth only service when they pay Taxes they are only giving us some of our money back That is the fact and how it works . It would be easier to just pay them less and cut out the middle man . Certainly you can understand that right . On top of the high salary we pay their pension and health care .

          • JPHALL says:

            So you equate public workers with Romney’s 47% takers? You see them as little more than door openers for the truly important people. They provide necessary services, just ask crime victims and people how need the services they provide while your important people are busy giving face time to the media

          • bikejedi says:

            See instead of admitting I am right you spin and deflect like you are Jay Carney and try to play the class envy and class warfare card . What does the fact that only 47 % of Americans being Tax Payers have to do with this ?

          • JPHALL says:

            By your own words you say these workers are takers, being paid more than they are worth. You are the deflector. Answer my remark, do not make up something new.
            Many communities have done what you suggest. They have laid off the workers and contracted out the labor they did so as to not pay Union wages or benefits. Lag times between reporting problems and their remain the same. No one has proven things got better, especially the quality of the work done. You put down working people based on your anti-union beliefs without giving a better alternative.

          • bikejedi says:

            Once again you are wrong . I didn’t deflect . I answered you about whether Public Union members are paid by the Tax Payers and if they are real Tax Payers ( they aren’t ) I laid that out logically and you tried to play the class envy and class warfare card and turn the discussion into something else . Now you portray me ( the former member of a Public Union ) as being anti Union . I am anti Public Union . As Roosevelt pointed out it is a bad idea to let Public Employees Unionize and then collectively bargain against their fellow citizen and neighbors especially when those people have no say at the bargaining table . He was right . As for Trade Unions I have no problem with them unless they are working say at McCormick Place in Chicago and their high costs drive Conventions and Tourists out of my City .

          • joe schmo says:

            Yup….those so called Union members may be flipping the bill for all us ‘po’ folks one day. Let’s see how happy they are when they have to pay more and more out of pocket….

      • joe schmo says:

        OK, so you are Union. Has the reality of Obama care hit you yet? Don’t get me wrong, I believe that health care should be available through the Government for the disabled and poor but everyone else..Nah

        Oh that’s right you get paid, union dues aside, an astronomical amount of money for….being lazy? I’ll wager to bet that you do not work as hard as someone who is a self starter.

        Socialized Medicine? Do you even know anything at all about how it works? Do you think your healthcare will be stellar? Do you know what medical care in places like Europe or Canada are like? LOL….you’ll see. You may want to eventually see a private Dr. Remember you mayl be picking up the slack for all the medical and subsidized recipients. When it juts more and more into your paycheck let’s see how you fare. All is hunky dorey at the moment… Let’s just see how you fare in time….

        • ProudACLU says:

          LOL – I own my own business and am not part of any union. (My father was a miner in Central PA and I think unions are necessary). I started my business young and have done very well. So Joe, do you actually work for a living or do you get your money being a paid Koch troll?

          • joe schmo says:

            Oh….so you are one of the new Liberal 1%. Lucky you. .Commer? What is it with people who become moneyed and Liberal. I suppose their common sense just flies out the window…. Hope you donate plenty to you favorite international charity….

            Actually, my parents came over here as ‘LEGAL’ immigrants (they came out of Communist Europe which reminds them a lot about what is going on in America today). They worked hard, hard, hard and made it. By the way, I am no slouch and work as hard as they did.

            This article might interest you:

            http://nikitas3.com/1083/why-are-so-many-rich-people-liberals/

          • ProudACLU says:

            your approach to this discussion is to attack me because I think that a civilized society makes sure that its citizens have health care and a way to pay for it. You labor under a vision that says if you don’t pay, you suffer and you die and its not my problem. To each their own, but I prefer a world were people have a place to live, food to eat, and heath care when they need it and then can use capitalism to make their situation better.

          • joe schmo says:

            Until recently we have been a civilized society, but that notion is becoming less and less evident as we inherit ‘no person left behind.’ By that I mean, your ilk is developing an insatiable appetite for a necessary ignorant voting public. Like I stated previously, health care for the disabled and poor is not an issue, healthy individuals used to get insurance provided through their employers, however; we had to pay into it. I absolutely do not have a belief that we should suffer and die without insurance. That’s bullsh*%. We resent the fact that we are being FORCED to comply with Obamacare.

            I don’t believe any child should starve or be denied health care in the world. Everyone should have the opportunities we have enjoyed in the past. Yet unlike you, I see the America that I know and love starting to implode and that ‘Capitalism’ that you speak of so lightly is becoming less apparent.

    • Bud Friend says:

      You need to also understand the difference between healthcare and health insurance.

      1. Health insurance could and was canceled at anytime and for a variety if reasons. Health insurers could and did pick and choose their customers. They also capped your policy in many cases. They became very profitable at yours and my expense. And really the one that bothered me the most, they could and denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and this is the person who needed insurance the most.

      In other words,they had the deck stacked in their favor.

      2. Healthcare which is not health insurance address the health insurance deficiencies stated above and allows preventive care.

      Oh, it will cost more but it does so much more than health insurance. And like any type of insurance, we pay our premiums and hope we never need to use it.

      One last thought – it is healthcare, isn’t our health the most important asset we have going for us?

      • TheOldNorthChurch says:

        Bud – Still did not answer my question. Why should others expect their neighbors and fellow citizens to pay for them? Healthcare is important. Every year I set a goal to improve my health. This year it was to lick a lifetime (since 9) of insomnia. It is up to me to make the commitment. But that is my choice not someones to make for me.

        • Independent1 says:

          First, where are you getting the notion that you’re paying for your neighbors healthcare? You’re no more paying for the healthcare through Obamacare than you’ve been paying for their healthcare for the past 100 years through drastically increased costs you’ve been charged every time you’ve seen a doctor or walked into a hospital. And to drastically higher premiums for whatever insurance you’ve ever purchased and for the higher co-pays you’ve been asked to pay.

          In the old system, because millions were seeking medical care without being to able to pay for it, healthcare providers had to on average quadruple their charges in order to make up for the millions in healthcare costs they were providing that they weren’t getting paid for. Similarly, health insurers were having to pad their premiums to cover these higher costs. So YOU, me and every American was subsidizing each others heathcare all along because of those who could not afford to pay.

          All this isn’t going to get corrected overnight. It’s going to take time for healthcare providers’ costs to come down as fewer and fewer people leave them with healthcare bills that they can’t pay for. So it’s going to take time for healthcare costs to start really coming down.

          But whether you know it or not, Obamacare has already saved you lots of money over the last several years because since it was passed, the increase in healthcare costs, including premiums, have risen at the slowest rate in 50 years.

          Actuarial projections have shown that had ACA not been enacted, you could well have been paying twice the costs and insurance premiums for healtcare today than you were in 2009. What does that mean? That policy you had last year that you may have paid around $6,00/month for, could well have been costing you over $1,000/mo last year had ACA not been enacted back in 2009.

          So although I seriously doubt the validity of your absurd quote about how much premiums have gone up, and if they have it’s because the policy that was replaced by Obamacare was most likely not worth the paper it was printed on, despite the fact that if you claim is true; the comparison policy you’re using to the comparison would have never been the base price you’re using had ACA never been enacted – so you’re comparison is nothing but a worthless exercise.

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            If I am not paying for my neighbors healthcare then why did my cost of insurance go up at 5 times the rate that it normally has? If I was paying for the uninsured prior. Was this just for fun?

            Why is it needed for young people to sign up and pay significantly more then necessary if they are not being expected to pay for their neighbors? I don’t want young people paying for me they need to save for homes, families and their own futures. Not paying for mine.

          • Independent1 says:

            I’ve caught on! You’re nothing more than another right-wing liar. No one’s premiums have gone up by 5 times and the younger group ARE NOT paying more than they sould based on their actuarial satistics. The younger group is only needed because they don’t use the benefits they’re paying very often but they are there in case of an accident or a they unexpectedly come down with something younger ones don’t get.
            You’re only on here to stir up BS with your lies!!!

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            You did not read my post. It went up 5 times the rate of normal increases. I did not say that the premium went up 5 Times. Young people should pay based on their expected use of the insurance they buy. They should not subsidize for you and me.

          • dpaano says:

            And HOW do they estimate their “expected use?” Do they know ahead of time that they’re going to get a catastrophic illness, going to be hit by a car, going to be shot at by one of those “stand your ground” idiots? How do you KNOW what you can expect to happen to you at any given time…..give me a break!!! How stupid are you?

          • Independent1 says:

            Average rate increases DID NOT go up by 5 times – that in itself is a blatant lie; as is the notion that ANYBODY IS SUBSIDIZING FOR ANYBODY!!! You’re doing nothing but spreading right-wing wacko LIES!!!

            Buying insurance and then not encountering the need to use some of those insurance benefits IS NOT SUBSIDIZING others in the plan who do need the benefits!!! You are totally full of BS!!!

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            Can you not read? I said; It went up 5 times the rate of normal increases. Because I am receiving less insurance for this large of increase I am subsidizing someone. How else do people get a subsidized plan? Does the subsidy just appear? Or does someone else pay more than is fair?

          • Vinny Gordon says:

            That’s how the system works, people pay property taxes, most go to paying for public schools, as your kids leave school, you continue to pay. Young workers are paying for SS and Medicare, then when you retire or reach 65, you start getting those benefits. Most of all young people will get to be 65.

          • plc97477 says:

            You really don’t know how insurance works do you.

          • dpaano says:

            Young people are paying for your Social Security, so what’s the difference? Haven’t you heard of “pay it forward?” That’s what everyone does when they are young….they pay for their elders. Their children will pay for them as they get older……that’s the way it works.

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            Your point is well made. Young People are going to be needed / expected to pay for our SS. That is where the problem lies. It can’t work.

            There are going to be less of them then there are of us. In 1940 there were 159 working people to every one person on SS. In 1965 the ratio was 4 to 1. In 2010 it was 2.9 to 1. By 2017 the ration will be 2 to 1. Social Security can not continue to be pay forward.

            Source SS Trustee report.

          • lostintheswamp says:

            and when those young people are old, they will benefit from the new generations of young people paying into the system …. don’t know how old you are, but when you get soc. sec. and medicare, younger people will be supporting that … plus i see that you just don’t get the concept of ”all for one and one for all” …. call it ‘team’ or ‘community” or ”country” ……

          • bikejedi says:

            Uh excuse me but most had employee plans before this and incurred very little out of pocket Now they pay and pay higher premiums to cover others That is what this Tax Law is predicated on .Especially getting young producers to pay in so that lazy people can get free stuff and as such it is just wealth redistribution .Surely you aren’t in denial about that are you ?

          • Independent1 says:

            No! I’m not buying any of that! The notion that people may be paying higher premiums is because they’re paying for someone else is only a notion a low IQ person such as yourself would dream up to create some kind of scapegoat.

            The few people who may have employer plans and may be paying a higher portion of their health plan costs today can be for a number of reasons, but it has nothing to do with subsidizing someone else.

            Their employer may have decided that with the implementation of ACA that it was time for him or her to foist more of the insurance premiums on the employee (remember the GOP has been pushing right-to-work legislation which gives employers the option to no longer honor agreements they may have made with unions).

            And what’s obviously very likely is that some employees may be paying higher premiums because their previous plan did not provide all the benefits that ACA says they have to proviide:
            Like no annual or lifetime caps on how much in benefits the employee can run up before they have to pay 100% of the costs;

            Like lower co-pays or deductibles;
            Like covering preventitive care visits without a copay;
            Like covering certain prescriptions without a copay;
            Like covering more procedures fully or at a higher percent of coverage (many older plans restricted by medical procedures they’d cover and to what percent of coverage);

            I could go on and on but what I’m pointing out is that there are a number of very logical reasons why under ACA some people may be paying higher premiums, BUT the reason boils down to that it’s because their policy today is A MUCH BETTER ONE than the policy they previously had and IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HELPING PAY FOR SOMENONE ELSE!!!!

          • bikejedi says:

            You always know when you have won a debate with a Liberal when they have to attempt to debase you with insult What did Alinsky say ? When you cant debate on merit just debase and demean . It is an immature tactic used by people who have very low IQ.s like yourself How can you be so stupid that you don’t even know that the basic tenet of OBAMACARE is that they are counting on young healthy people to buy expensive policies to fund the free plans for poor entitlement voters. You don’t have to answer all you have to do is feel Stupid K . I wont answer you any more because you are ignorant and immature .

        • Bud Friend says:

          It is good that you overcame your insomnia. Your correct people should take more responsibility for their health and well-being.

          My simple answer is – why buy auto insurance if you feel you are a good driver?
          Why buy health insurance if your healthy?

          Healthcare is not limited to just illness e.g. broken bones, eye conditions, cancer ……. and we do know you would be uninsurable with cancer.

          Anyway, to me healthcare trumps everything because without your health its not a very good journey. You should identify with that.

        • bwilly321 says:

          because Jesus Christ said to. There’s your answer. Or will you now leave the church.

        • Sand_Cat says:

          It was explained elsewhere. You just don’t want to hear it.

        • JPHALL says:

          You pay taxes don’t you? Doesn’t your state require you to pay for a license and insurance? My tax dollars goes to states and for causes I do not support. It is all part of being a citizen. Even Christ said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            I do pay taxes. But my State does not force me to have a license or buy insurance, those are my choices if I decide to drive a car. My State and Local Taxes go to my State. My Federal Taxes go mainly to Federal programs and I do not support them going to any other program.

        • lostintheswamp says:

          your insurance company has been making decisions for you from the beginning …. which doctors you can see, how much you will pay out of pocket, which hospitals you can go to …. ”healthcare is important” you say, so why don’t you think everyone should have basic health insurance since preventive care is one of the best ways to stay healthy? ….. and under the ACA, preventive services are fully covered by insurance ….

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            My insurance company has never made decisions for me, because I never let them. I go to the Doctors I want and if they pay for them fine. If I pay for them then that is my choice. I use catastrophic insurance to cover any really big event and pay for the small stuff. The ACA does not give you any preventative care it gives you some routine visits that have had no direct correlation to good health. Preventative care is what you do yourself, eat healthy, maintain a healthy weight, exercise, mental health, sleep. All things controllable by yourself, not an Insurance Company, not a Government. I have not seen any claim that this bill will result in anyone being more healthy.

          • lostintheswamp says:

            great, you can afford to pay for what you want, but you do realize there are multitudes of people who can’t … and it’s not because they are lazy … lots of working people couldn’t afford health insurance before the ACA …. also, you do realize that preventive care could also be having an annual physical – fully covered by insurance now -and finding out you have high blood pressure and getting treatment before you have a heart attack that could result in tens of thousands of dollars in surgery or death …. or early detection of cancer and a host of other diseases …. why don’t you want other americans to have affordable health insurance?? that’s mystifying to a lot of us … not everything is preventable by eating spinach ….

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            I want to have insurance that is affordable to as many as possible. The issue is that this law has made my insurance less affordable to me and my family and has required me to buy a product I do not want so as to subsidize others. This is not fair and was not what was promised to me and this is why over 59% of people resent this law.

          • joe schmo says:

            ‘TheOldNorthChurch’ it does no use to argue with these people, they will never get it. I totally get what you are stating. I’m on the same page. The term I want to use for this party is namely referred to as ‘FORCE.’ A word that is foreign to the American psyche. FORCE was something introduced by the latest president. Oh and, I might add, division.

            The only reason these imbeciles go along with Obama’s agenda is because, at the moment, things are going their way. Just wait until the pendulum swings back around and hits them square upside the head. Just feel glad that you are well ahead of the game:)

            News flash, for some of you idiots who believe that Conservatives are ignorant morons. Why don’t you check out sites like GOPUSA and see how much Conservatives lack in education and problem solving. You might learn something….LOL

        • Bud Friend says:

          You really do not understand how insurance works do you? It is a shame, as you seem to be the type of person who takes care of yourself. God forbid you never have a major mishap in your life.
          Like I said before, insurance is something you pay for and hope you don’t have to use. I hope you have great rest of your life.

          • docb says:

            onc is just being obdurate and willfully ignorant..It is his choice to keep his head in the sand and butt in the air…When you engage with him he gets attention…which he seems to crave~

          • Bud Friend says:

            You are correct. Thanks for the heads up.

          • TheOldNorthChurch says:

            BUD,
            My whole point is that if I have to pay for coverage inclusions in my plan that I will never use or do not want so that others can get their coverage for less dollars is this fair? My original example was if I want to buy an apple for $1.00, then I am ok with that. But if in order to get the apple I have to buy an apple and an orange together for $1.79 and I have an allergy to oranges and can not eat them, then is this fair?

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      The thing is, there are so many uninsured people that we are ALREADY paying for their uncompensated care by our high premiums. As more and more people get insured, even with subsidy help, and start getting preventive care, or get undiagnosed diseases such as high blood pressure or diabetes diagnosed and treated, cancers discovered early, overall premium growth should slow. Healthy people are more productive people. I would much rather subsidize citizens’ health care than gargantuan oil companies. Look how many elderly we have now since Medicare was started ithe1960’s; elderly that are enjoying life and their grandchildren. The fact that life expectancy has soared since Medicare was passed is proof that health care works. We won’t know the “success” of the ACA for several years, and until more and more people think it over and decide that they want health care more than they hate Obama.

      • TheOldNorthChurch says:

        If this logic was solid then my premiums would have gone down. But they went way up and so did the deductible. Appears that I was paying much less to have everyone use the ER.

        • bwilly321 says:

          you need to wait for it. when have you ever seen premiums go down immediately. There is always a lag while the capitalists maximize their profits.

        • latebloomingrandma says:

          You can’t “evaluate” the ACA when it was just implemented. People just signed up. This time next year will give some data. Perhaps the insurance companies in gearing up are worried about their profit margin since they now have to pay 85% of their income on patients, rather than CEO and other big shot salaries.

      • joe schmo says:

        Quality healthcare? I doubt it.

    • Lola Johnson says:

      Your neighbors and fellow citizens have already been paying for those who can’t or won’t pay for themselves, either in the form of higher premiums, your own hospital’s charity care, your taxes, or your higher costs caused by medical bankruptcies. You may be happy with poor coverage, but those who must make up the difference when disaster befalls you might not have been so pleased. Did you miss the part of the article that tells of the millions now covered by the Medicaid expansion, as well as those who bought their insurance on state websites, and those who purchased theirs privately through their insurance agents? This is in addition to those who enrolled through the federal marketplace.

      • TheOldNorthChurch says:

        Lola – I have always paid for my own healthcare even if not covered by insurance. The question is why is it required that I now pay even more? Not fair and not my choice?

        • dpaano says:

          Have you ever heard the mantra….”Life isn’t fair???”

        • lostintheswamp says:

          i bet if you had/got a catastrophic disease or had a catastrophic accident, you wouldn’t be paying your own health care costs – unless you are extremely rich …. i’ve never had an auto accident but i still have to pay for insurance …. deciding what is fair is pretty subjective … i find it fair that i pay school taxes when i don’t have any kids in school because i want my whole community to thrive, not just me …. i pay gas taxes that fix roads i will never drive on … so what? … we are one country and we should want the best for everyone, everywhere …. and if you ever go to a hospital for any kind of services, the bill you pay out of your pocket is inflated to support services for people who are uninsured, and that seems a little unfair …..

    • A_Real_Einstein says:

      You obviously did not read the article. Your denialism is futile. And yes I do expect all Americans to take some responsibilty and make sure that everyone have access to quality and affordable health care. I happily pay ss and medicare taxes so that those over 65 can live in dignity. You lost this fight, time to move on. Have a nice day!

    • Sand_Cat says:

      Those without insurance have to expect their neighbors to pay for their coverage through “free” emergency room care.
      I realize that some people expect to make a profit on their insurance, but most people understand that it’s a risk-sharing arrangement in which the majority who aren’t sick or injured do in fact pay for those who are, but of course the GOP – and you, apparently – in its usual effort to destroy everything done by Democrats, even their own Republican healthcare plan, has desperately attempted to make potential customers believe otherwise, just as they have succeeded in brainwashing their “base” into believing that they can pay taxes – if at all – only for those programs they support.
      The question has never been answered, since you brought up the topic, is it right for a criminal administration to lie the country into a completely unnecessary and unjustified war costing over 4,000 American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis plus trillions of dollars to expect sane and rational people to pay for it. The question of whether they can sucker lots of their “base” into believing their lies and supporting their criminal actions has, unfortunately, been answered in the affirmative, of which you, no doubt, are living proof. It has also been established that they can get away with it, as well.

    • Billie says:

      You pay for all those ER visits now. I don’t know about your property tax bill but one of the items listed on mine is Hospital tax.

    • JPHALL says:

      We already do that for tobacco in many states. Why do you deniers always look for ways to put down the ACA? Why not respond to the stupid positions of Ryan and Rand, to end Social Security and Medicare?

  2. paulyz says:

    Just political SPIN because the Democrats BEGGED Obama that they won’t be re-elected because of the failure of Obamacare, the costs, the fact that it “failed” to insure the 30 Million that are STILL uninsured. Also, only about 860,000 paid their premiums, & most of the rest had already HAD health Insurance that they lost BECAUSE of Obamacare!

    • Joel Kulenkamp says:

      Ignorant attitudes like yours are why we rank 37th in life expectancy!
      Oh, well, who wants to live longer anyway, right?

    • Paul Bass says:

      Made up statistics by a right wing troll.

      Every single one of your numbers stated is an outright lie from the Faux News folks I guess. Please just GO AWAY, and stop feeding us your lies, we don’t believe you…

    • Jambi says:

      Your Bullshit gets weaker with each peck on your keyboard… Joel and Paul are two of a long list of people who recognize FOX NEWS “phoney stats”

  3. ps0rjl says:

    For all you naysayers here are some actual facts from one family. When I retired, my wife was too young for Medicare. Since she has MS, the cheapest policy was over $1500 per month. Now with the ACA she has since January had an excellent policy for $505.58 per month and because we have too much income we do not get any subsidy to help pay her premiums. We couldn’t be happier with the ACA.

    • JPHALL says:

      Imagine if we had a single payer system, not one based on being able to pay!

    • Dominick Vila says:

      I had a similar experience when I retired. In our case I paid $700 for my wife’s healthcare insurance policy until she became eligible for MEDICARE. Unfortunately for us, there was no Obamacare available at the time. Only a system that cared only for those who could afford to pay exorbitant premiums and, preferably, for those who did not have serious illnesses.
      The fact that so many Americans support a return to the most expensive and exclusive healthcare system in the world indicates how insulated we are from the alternatives that are available worldwide, and the benefits derived from it. We simply cannot conceive that what socio-economic system should be changed, and desperately cling to systems that should have never been adopted in the first place. Kudos to the propaganda machine paid for by special interests that has managed to brainwash a plurality of Americans, who are willing to embrace concepts and systems even when they know they are not in their best interest.

  4. Christina says:

    What seems strikingly more futile to me is your pathetic attempt to spin the facts and claim a victory here. So 7 million folks signed up for Obamacare–under threat of penalties if they did not. Subtract the 6 million who lost health insurance they already had because of Obamacare and you’re left with 1 million. Subtract the number of signer-uppers who haven’t actually paid; a number that no one is willing to release, and the number of now-covered is going to be significantly less. Factor in that, thanks to Obamacare, millions of new recipients are now receiving Medicaid, at the taxpayers expense, and we’re even further in the hole. And factor in the U.S. population of 318 million and then tell me again why you are so excited about 7 million, most of them poor and elderly, signing up for new government benefits at the expense of tax payers?

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      The elderly don’t sign up for “Obamacare” –they get Medicare.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        Which the Republicans, if they were as clever with words then as they are now, would have derisively called “Lyndoncare.” And today Republican-voting retired people do not realize that Medicare is Lyndoncare: pushed through a “reluctant” Congress by a liberal “socialist!” And we are all better off for it: the elderly (a group which I just joined last year) who have fewer worries about medical bills, and their adult children, who have more to spend on gadgets and vacations (or possibly their OWN bills) because they don’t have to pay Mom and Dad’s medical bills.

        There is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE that 6 million people “lost” good policies BECAUSE of Obamacare, only “junk” policies which they were better off replacing anyway, but COULD NOT replace with anything better BEFORE the ACA was passed. As for more people getting Medicaid, it is less expensive to pay for insurance allowing poor people (which you probably stereotype as drug-dealing street pimps and lazy welfare mamas; but you don’t think about young people working their way through college, or small children, or elderly and disabled) to see DOCTORS regularly, get checkups, lifestyle advice, and if necessary, prescription medications that can cure or allow them to live with diseases that would otherwise kill them, than to pay the MUCH HIGHER rates for occasional, and often ultimately futile, trips to the emergency room (ER prices are higher because saving a life quickly takes priority over all other considerations of economy, efficiency, etc.).

        Providing protection for EVERY person’s health is the RIGHT THING TO DO according to almost every religious and secular moral code (except Ayn Randism), EVEN if it costs more. But the experience of EVERY OTHER civilized industrial country is that it costs LESS and produces BETTER results. In some statistics, even THIRD WORLD nations like Cuba produce better results. But those “other” nations include BOTH Marxist dictatorships AND stable, freedom-loving democracies. Obamacare is not the BEST solution, but it’s MUCH better than what we used to have. Except, of course, that it has no PERSONAL benefit for those who never have ANY problem paying medical bills. Until they DO have a problem, that is.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      What is pathetic is your desperation to grasp at anything – anything at all, including rank speculation, made-up facts, and just plain stupidity – to assure that people without healthcare don’t get it, especially not from Democrats, even when it’s a GOP-conceived plan.

      • jointerjohn says:

        What the right-wingers can’t stand about ACA is that it is not economic Darwinism. They despise everything that does not reward the fortunate and kick the crap out of everybody else. They wear selfishness like a badge of honor. Why else would they idolize a total creep like Donald Trump? They think self-centered is the cool way to be. Remember the republican presidential debate when the question came up about what to do with a man in the emergency room without insurance? The answer to the scenario of letting him die was met with a “yes”, followed by a cheer from that audience. They cheered the idea of a poor man being allowed to die. We can never, ever think that we can appeal to these people’s compassion or fairness or team spirit. They have none. They are the cheering Romans at the old Coliseum when the lions were turned loose on peasants.

    • awakenaustin says:

      Did you realize that in nearly every State in this nation you may be arrested for failing to have car insurance (or be able to prove you can self-insure)? Why isn’t that a problem for you?
      The only consistency in your political thought is, if President Obama supports it then you don’t.

    • Dennis Mullins says:

      According to a Rand Corporation survey less than one million actually loss their health care. I personally don’t know where you got 6 million. One day its 4 million, the next day it’s five million, and now you are calling it 6M. What is it? give us some source of where you got your dam figures and don’t tell me Faux news.

      • Independent1 says:

        The only infromation sources right-wingers ever have is that reliable entertainment site Faux News or Rush Limbaugh; or maybe a right-wing website like Breitbart – which is no more reliable than Faux News.

    • Independent1 says:

      First of all clueless, there never were 6 million cancellaltions. That was a number MADE UP by Fox News. The number actually cancelled was far less than that; and the vast majority of those were NORMAL CANCELLATIONS which take place in the private insurance sector every year.

      But on top of all those, there were hundreds of thousands that were FRAUDULENTLY CANCELLED but the insurance companies themselves. See these excerpts from some news articles:

      Following the report that Insurer Humana was fined $65,000 in Kentucky for sending out 6,500 misleading cancellation letters for low-premiums plans only to be automatic re-enrollment in high cost plans before these customers were given a chance to shop on the open exchange for a better and cheaper plan – we now have a new report that Anthem Blue Cross is being sued for tricking people into dropping their “grandfathered” plans.

      And this:

      “Blue Cross successfully enticed tens of thousands of its individual policyholders to switch out of their grandfathered health plans and forever lose their protected grandfathered status,” states the lawsuit. “Blue Cross concealed information about the consequences of switching plans and intentionally misled its policyholders to encourage the replacement of grandfathered policies.”

      And this:

      The lawsuits, filed Monday in Superior Court, may signal an emerging customer pushback against the approximately 900,000 cancellations in California alone of individual health insurance policies that will take effect Dec. 31. 900,00 Cancellations. False Cancellations of plans that, which under the Affordable Care Act are “Grandfathered” and Don’t Need to be Cancelled. The Insurance Companies are doing it to Scam their Customers into higher cost plans and away from the ACA Exchanges in a practice that violates State Law known as “Twisting”.

      And the number of those who actually have enrolled in new health insurance is well over 12 million when you take into account those extend coverage through Medicaid and the millions of kids of those recently insured that are covered to age 26.
      But these aren’t really all the success stories of Obamacare; included are the millions upon millions of Americans that previously had insurance and now have increased benefits:
      like the millions that now have no-copay prevental checkups each year;
      and the millions who are no longer fearful that a hospital stay may exceed their annual or lifetime insurance coverage cap which insurers can no long use;
      and the millions who were paying 10,000 more more in deductibles that now have much lower or no deductibes;
      And the millions who had policies with extremely high co-pays that have co-pays that are now restriced by ACA;
      and the millions of seniors who are saving thousands each year now because ACA is closing the donut hole;
      and the millions of families who already had insurance that now have coverage extended to their kids until their age 26;
      And the millions who had policies which allowed their insurer tc cancell their policies o out of nowhere, often just when thy need their policy the most but can no longer do that;
      And those that have even more added benefits that I’m not even aware of.
      If’s only the totally clueless like yourself- or maybe those purposely misinformed by the GOP who have their heads in the sand and can’t understand a wonderful thing that’s happened in America when they see it.
      It’s

    • Dennis Mullins says:

      You are so wrong in your comments it ain’t funny any more. Be patient the actual figures will be produced in time. They are awaiting the dust to settle so any thing they provide will be factual so people like you will have no base to complain. My bet is it will not stop you if it don’t have an elephant stamped on it’s rump.

  5. elw says:

    I have always felt that you should not worry about what you cannot change, and I do believe that the Right will never stop their laughable anti-Obamacare rhetoric. A hundred years from now they still will be telling us that Obamacare is ruining the Country, will make us go bankrupted and that Government healthcare is a failure. After-to-all, is that not what they still claim about Medicare? And we all know how that tuned out.

    • Dominick Vila says:

      …and the same thing they continue to say about Social Security. Ideology, even when we know it is against our own best interests, can be pervasive. I support Obamacare, even though I would have preferred a Single Payer System or European-style universal healthcare. However, I am convinced that changes will have to be made as we learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of this desperately needed new program, and there is nothing wrong with doing that.

      • elw says:

        As much as I would like to see a Single Payer System with coverage for all in this Country, I actually believe it would have been too disruptive of switch. I see the ACA as the perfect stepping stone in that direction. I just moved into my 8th decade so I doubt that I will live long enough to see it, since it will be a long process to get there; but the ACA is good platform to start from. There is no doubt that the ACA will be adjusted and changed, just as SS, Medicare, Medicare and have been over the decades. These types of programs have to be designed to be easily changed and adjusted to society’s needs as it grows and changes. Although that should seem logical and acceptable, the compulsive/obsessive, nonsensical Right will never be able to get over losing this battle but their rhetoric about it will fade into the back corners of public interest as confidence in the ACA grows. Soon people will be treating most of what the right is saying much as they do with the nonsense they say about Medicare and Social Security.

    • joe schmo says:

      A hundred years from now you don’t even have to worry about America because it will not exist……

  6. bikejedi says:

    7 million enrollee’s . Gee that is of course after 6 million and counting had their plans cancelled . Their number also includes all those who signed up for free stuff under the State Medicaid plans . Of course we also know how many if any have actually paid for their plans . Yeah so anyone who buys that number from the same LIAR who brought you ” If you like your plan you can keep your plan PERIOD ” will look as foolish for believing this number . No wonder they released that number on April FOOLS day … Answer this ( and please no race cards ) If this plan is working why is the employer mandate being delayed to try to save Dem seats in the Midterms ?

    • Independent1 says:

      As normal!! Total BS with absolutely no true facts to back up the idiotic claims!!!

    • Paul Bass says:

      Again, right wing lies. Not a single number quoted or statement made is true.
      Please GO AWAY! If you had a bit of truth in your statements, you would cite your sources, but, of course, no citation for made-up BS!

      • bikejedi says:

        Do you watch your own Liberal News? I mean the 6 mil figure is common knowledge . Maybe you should watch the News Oh and I notice in your rant you used sources and numbers to back up your assertions .

        • Paul Bass says:

          Again, no citations, OH and that 6 million is really just pulled out your A$$, NO ONE can cite 6 million dropped and the 7.1 million was as reported in ALL headline news.

    • JPHALL says:

      What race card? Every major program started by governments or business have initial problems. Asked Apple or Microsoft. Since the ACA has just started, where are you getting your so called facts about its success or failure?

  7. Angel Perea says:

    THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: No more excuses or free rides. This is no longer about the political debate with the rightwing clowns that have their health insurance, and only views health reform through the eyes of physicians. Everyone now has the opportunity for health care coverage. No more free rides for very expensive Emergency health Care at hospital that is paid by the tax payers! So take responsibility for yourself! So pay now or pay later! Dr. Louis Sullivan, former Health and Human Services Secretary under President George H. W. Bush says he sees promise in the law, which has extended insurance to more than 9.5 million people since it took effect, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday. Besides, it is interesting to note that the only ones that complain the loudest about the affordable Health Care Law are the ones that have THEIR own health care coverage! And that includes those Congressional tea party Clowns that that are covered by Big Govt tax payer paid insurance for themselves and their families for the rest of their lives!! Their hypocrisy is remarkable!

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/5-obamacare-disasters-that-haven-t-happened-162517820.html

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/04/01/What-s-Next-Obamacare-5-Things-Watch

  8. Vinny Gordon says:

    Time will tell, which states will be better off with Obama care. I am betting that the states with Obama care, Medicaid, will do a lot better.

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