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Sunday, March 18, 2018

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) delivered a vigorous speech on the Senate floor Tuesday, lambasting calls by Republican presidential candidates in last Sunday’s debate to bring back waterboarding.

McCain did not directly name any single candidates (or even specify that they were in his own party), but instead referred to “loose talk on the campaign trail about reviving waterboarding and other inhumane interrogation techniques.”

At the debate, Donald Trump declared: “I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” Ted Cruz said that waterboarding was not torture, and Marco Rubio didn’t give a clear answer.

“It might be easy to dismiss this bluster as cheap campaign rhetoric,” McCain said Tuesday. “But these statements must not go unanswered, because they mislead the American people about the realities of interrogation, how to gather intelligence, what it takes to defend our security, and, at the most fundamental level, what we are fighting for as a nation.”

He continued:

“It is important to remember the facts: that these forms of torture not only failed their purpose to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the U.S. and our allies, but compromised our values, stained our national honor, and did little practical good.

“While some have shamefully sought to minimize the practice of waterboarding, it is clear to me that this practice, which is a simulated execution by drowning, amounts to torture as a reasonable person would define it. That’s why the United States has tried, convicted, and executed foreign combatants who employed methods of torture, including waterboarding, against American prisoners of war. The use of these methods by the United States was shameful and unnecessary. And contrary to assertions made by some of its defenders, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of the September 11th attacks or to prevent new attacks and atrocities.

“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. Most of all, I know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.

McCain’s full prepared remarks are worth a read.

(Side note: McCain opened his speech by saying, “Today is the 100th New Hampshire presidential primary.” What he should’ve actually said is that this is the 100th anniversary of the New Hampshire primary.)

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38 Responses to McCain Speaks Against Torture Advocacy Of Trump, Other GOPers

    • Wow, you really are a morally and ethically vacuous hole.
      I wonder if your moral compass disappeared in the same direction as your last few brain cells.
      Sad troll.

        • Still infatuated with drawing a distinction between yourself and your fellow human beings.
          Only a satanic being would take pride in exalting himself over his fellow man, especially using a tool finely honed by those Africans who migrated into Europe nearly 50K years ago, and who felt compelled to sever the cord with their “cousins”.

          One of the tools devised by those “Africans” who went into Europe to make a division is called the IQ Test, which you slavishly adore.

          Christian ideals no longer mean anything to you now that you worship the false god of “Racial Superiority”. Therefore, to help
          you get back on track, I offer to you the following quote by Baha’u’llah:

          O CHILDREN OF MEN! Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory.(from #68 of “The Hidden Words”)

          • Thanks aaron, I can only hit otto with science, I’m glad you have the background to hit him from literature. Have a great day!

          • Thanks, Paul.

            Otto, Trump, Carson, etc. perform a useful service in keeping us aware that the cancerous growth of disunity is still thriving after centuries of growth.

            Only with Science and Religion together, wielded by people such as yourself and me, by the means of courtesy, example, and eloquence, can this “fire” be extinguished.

            Happy “fire-fighting”.

            Peace, out.

          • You seem hell-bent on offering terse statements to comments that upset you. Use your highly-touted IQ difference to go beyond simple grunts and be more expressive—expatiate with a goal of enlightening rather than offering a simple knee-jerk response.

          • Funny to hear you talk about medication. Still in that little universe of “Me First”.
            Besides, the worn out line regarding meds is trite and offers nothing to the core of a conversation. It’s a lazy man’s way out of thinking deeply about issues.

        • Otto you are truly a tool, and SO easily duped, it is amazing.

          You ever hear “lies, damn lies, and Statistics?” Well here is a great example! You can get statistic to tell the EXACT opposite of the truth! You’ve done it! Congrats, statistics as proof of a big LIE!!!

          There are only 3 variable on this graph, skin color, IQ, and “equal size population”. This is totally nutty AND USELESS!

          Age, education, economic status, social and societal status, marriage, single parents, place of residence, rather you live in a big city, etc.

          You have NOT accounted for a THOUSAND variables, so your graph is basically just a lie fabricated from your racist ideology. Congrats, once again proving you are a clueless troll, who doesn’t EVEN UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, yet stupidly tries to use “graphs” to “prove” your lack of intelligence.

          • It’s funny you think that graph needs to have “a THOUSAND variables”. Stop trying to argue about things that are way over your head.

          • So, you think, age, income, marital status, residence, etc., make no difference? Did you learn you science disciple at the foot of the Spanish Inquisition?

            It’s called actual scientific research, you are REQUIRED to account for as many variable as you can, otherwise it ISN’T Science, it is just YOUR (stupid) opinion.

            You, otto, have obviously never published, so you are the idiot who is trying to argue way over your head, good luck, no one at NM believes you, go cry to foxbots.

          • You can’t even read a simple graph.

            “Did you learn you science disciple”

            Or write an adequate sentence.

          • That is all you got? That I missed an “r” in my statement?

            Again, if you KNEW anything about science you would KNOW variables have to be accounted for OR your conclusions are flat out WRONG! Bye, I’m through arguing with an imbecile, I’ll catch your errors on the next stupid rant you have.

          • no, only a valid, truthful graph, has to account for variables, a lie put out by a racists doesn’t have to show any variables, because it is that:
            A LIE!
            And otto, science is SO FAR ABOVE your head you still believe the world is flat and volcanoes and cow farts cause global warming. So please, stop your trying to argue science, you only show how stupid you are. And yes I’m a professional scientist, with certifications and multiple degrees from ACTUAL accredited universities.

            And your degree is from what, Phoenix? in Basket weaving?

          • The graph accurately depicts the black and white IQ distributions. It’s moronic to complain it doesn’t also depict “thousands” of other things. Your pretending to be a scientist is funny.

          • Obviously it does NOT.

            BECAUSE you did not account for the variables, even such things as age and sex, have statistically been PROVEN to affect population distribution graphs. That IS the graph you have presented (a pop. dist. graph), and you don’t even show ANY age OR sex info.

            So with just these two variables missing, your graph is useless.
            It COULD show 3 year old black boys IQ compared to 30 year old white woman with PhD IQ. That is NOT a “real” or “Scientific” graph. It is just a lie, like I said.

          • I’m paid as a scientist, no pretending needed.

            And again otto, you’ve never told what your degree is in, Basket weaving?

    • Otto, after all the obvious negative signals and billowing smoke coming from the small-minded group you espouse, you still are locked in a dark dungeon of “unawareness”.
      There’s a key to unlock the door, but you have to be willing to want to smell fresh air and see the light. Are you interested in a change of scenery??

        • Are you able to say more than that? Rather than focus so much on McCain, how about Otto and his being enamored and preoccupied with the philosophy of Alterity—the tendency to always want to package things neatly in the category “Us versus Them”.

          This is a peculiar trait of people around the world–it just so happens that those “Africans” who migrated into Europe and took on a different hue, for some reason felt the need to evolve and formalize a limited world outlook based on a “limited unity”(to borrow a term used by Abdu’l Baha during a talk in 1912 in New York City).

          How do you see yourself in relation to those circumstances?

          Are you more concerned with being a Republican foremost, and a human as an aside? Is being “white” more important to you than being a member of the human family? Is there some hidden wound you’re nursing that impels you to want to see yourself as superior to others?

          Are these the values of Christianity?

          To help you answer those questions, and others, refer to the link and proceed from there.

          • If any of us are upset, we’re upset that you may not be given the opportunity to get out and get some fresh air and sunshine. It would be equally upsetting if someone were manipulating you into saying the things you are wont to say—you seem fixated on highlighting your inordinate fondness for the Right Wing.

            With your vaunted IQ difference over those you consider lower than you, you should be able to infer or discern connections that my responses to you have with the story at hand, and your usual retorts.

            Otherwise, anything any of us have to say to you which escape your ken is reminiscent of that parable in the New Testament which admonishes a person about “casting pearls before swine”.

            Fare thee well, Otto.

  1. It seems as Americans we must decide at the end of the day, how important is doing what we innately know is the right thing? Versus doing what we know in our heart of hearts is the wrong thing? Versus doing that what we know probably won’t work very well, or for very long, by ignoring our conscience, and go in for the easier fix? Lying to ourselves is tempting, when truth is hard to find, and harder to face. We tell ourselves the right way may be nothing more than pure political correctness! Or, it costs too much, takes too long, and besides, this right or wrong stuff is so in the box. Let’s innovate! Donald Trump has a literal boatload of supporters that today are chasing the easy fix. That his proposals are mostly worthless, that they do not address the core issue, are wildly nonsensical, or non starters, and require a great deal of immoral thinking, matters not to some Americans for whom the willingness to ignore what they know is right, versus the siren call of the easy, feel good demagoguery of the slick T.V. Huckster telling them that they too could be a millionaire! It’s so easy, just buy my CD, has proven irresistible.

  2. Sorry, McCain. You’re too close to the problem to be heard against the background of the din coming from your own group.
    (That’s one of the many negative side-effects of partisan-politics, in case you didn’t know).

  3. Not many people other than Senator McCain have talked about Honor. A Nation’s Honor and a person’s Honor requires that we speak out against torture. Simply because the other guy does something, doesn’t make it right for us to respond the same way.

  4. Senator McCain you speak wisely on this subject. It speaks to our freedom, to our honor as a country, and to your own experience.

  5. While his words ring true, the fact that we have enemy’s shows we are still in the embryonic phase, we have not matured.

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