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Thursday, September 29, 2016

While predictions of terror and doom from the right continue, the actual news about Obamacare is still good.

According to the Medicare Trustees, “The trust fund that finances Medicare’s hospital insurance coverage will remain solvent until 2026, two years beyond what was projected in last year’s report.”

The solvency date for Medicare Part A just indicates the point at which the program can no longer be funded by current revenue rates or reserves. It has often been used by opponents of traditional Medicare like Paul Ryan to say Medicare is “going broke,” justifying cuts or dramatic changes to the program.

But this date has invariably been pushed into the future.

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“Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, we are taking important steps to improve the delivery of care for seniors with Medicare,” said Marilyn Tavenner, Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. “These reforms aim to reduce spending while improving the quality of care, and are an important down payment on solving Medicare’s long term financial issues.”

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  • MEDICARE is an affordable and highly effective program that helps millions of senior citizens live with a modicum of dignity. The reason for the problems it does have has nothing to do with government incompetence or ineffectiveness, but with the demographic changes that are taking place in our country. Steps must be taken to minimize the impact of a low fertility rate, and the resulting reduction in the contributior-beneficiary ratio, to ensure the program remains solvent for generations to come.

    • Zuni3

      The problems Medicare is having is totally has to do with the government incompetence and ineffectiveness; not to mention the fact that Obozo raided and took 716 billion from it.

      • mike johnson

        another neoclown lie but i like the one obama gonna kill granma

      • The Obama administration did not take $716B away from MEDICARE, it streamlined the claims process to reduce the incidence of fraud and abuses. One of the most fascinating parts of modern-day “conservatism” is the duplicity of their claims. One day the accuse Democrats of being big spenders, the next day they demonizing for reducing spending. Make up your mind!

        • idamag

          Dominick, I just hung up with talking with a person who works in patient billing. She received a denial on a set of tests. She called Medicare and asked for an explanation. Medicare said they had paid for the same test, different facility, a week ago. Before that kind of stuff was falling into the cracks.

        • jay bacchus

          Dominick, are you explaining to us that the $716 B was raided from Medicare in the expectation that it would be saved by reduced future incidences of fraud? Have you ever studied accounting? Have you ever known anyone whose job it was to file corporate reports with the SEC?

          Some would call this ‘cooking the books’. Taking money from one account and placing it into another in the belief that things will even out from savings. Am I not understanding something here?

          • jay bacchus

            The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad, I don’t know which commenter you feel “stinks from stupidity”. Are you’re referring to Idamag and the extra testing that was denied? We don’t know the specifics. At least, I don’t know them.

            Could it be that the first testing doctor felt a second opinion would be a wise decision?

            Our beloved federal government WILL tackle ANY problem in the most expensive, complicated and labor intensive manner the human mind can conceive. Some of you will throw rotten eggs and heckle me, but it is true : This administration craves a federal bureaucracy about 3 times the size of what we already have.

          • Duplicate testing takes place more often than you think. I had two major cancer-related surgeries the last four years. My primary care physician and the two specialists that operated on me often order identical tests. The last incident happened today when my urologist called me to tell me that they had not received the results of the PSA test he ordered before my appointment tomorrow. I asked them to call my PCP who ordered a PSA test two weeks ago and has the results. The same thing happened when I went to my gastroenterologist last week.
            BTW, these doctors are very competent and honest, the problem is that the system they use to share information is grossly inadequate and needs to be changed.

          • stcroixcarp

            Do you like having private insurance companies with CEO’s who bring home $110 million a year make the decision about which of your tests they will pay for, what procedures your doctor can do, and which medications you can get, and then drop you from coverage because you got sick? Medicare is a life saver. Because of it many seniors can live healthy lives and not die penniless. I for one am thankful for it. It works.

          • BDC_57

            he don’t care as long as obama in the white house they fight everything he does it don’t matter if it is good for the country.

          • idamag

            At least you are intelligent enough not to make assumptions on that which you are not familiar with. Before the ACA, my spouse was given many redundant tests as each doctor said he must do all the X-rays and MRIs again. It was their policy to do their own testing. Now, they must share test results and if a person gets a chest X-ray and is sent to a pulmonologist, the pulmonologist cannot do all the X-rays over. Additional X-rays can only be done to monitor progress.

          • The $716B was not raided from anyone. It involves future MEDICARE savings, which would be reflected in a lower budget, by reducing the incidence of fraudulent claims by service providers. It was neither an asset nor a liability, it would have been part of future MEDICARE budgets had this change not taken place. That’s the sort of thing our government should be doing to reduce spending and, some day, have a balanced budget, without hurting the economy and our society with ill conceived measures such as the sequester, privatizing SS, and dismantling MEDICARE.

          • jay bacchus

            In some cirlcles, Dominick, what you have just described is called ‘cooking the books’. And it is illegal and not tolerated from publicly-traded companies.

        • Eva Cutler

          Agree!!!!!!!

      • idamag

        It has to be wrong because
        1. A Democrat president proposed it.
        2. A Black man proposed it.
        3. Anything this president does has to be wrong.
        4. All of the above.
        Now as for your reiterating false information here are the facts:
        The CBO (Congressional Budget Office), independent and unbiased score keeper, estimated that the changes to Medicare will result in a savings of $719 billion dollars. That is where the figure comes from.

    • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

      Your statement stinks of stupidity. The government has never ran a successful program ever.

      • mike johnson

        no never what are you stupid hahahah why dont you look it up if u can read thats is whats wrong with countrey to many dummies

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          I don’t know what a countrey is, or the the words dont, thats, whats. I know what a country is and the words don’t, that’s and what’s.

          So, that public school education is really paying off for you. Maybe you should look in to ways that you can self terminate. Your future looks about as dim as you are.

          • plc97477

            good thing you found something to rail about because you will never understand what others are saying.

      • Lynda Groom

        The United States Military, Social Security just to name two successful programs. BTW, I think you probably mean the government has never ‘run’ a successful program.

        • Dave G

          By looking at the military and Social Insecurity, I would say, they are not successful. Who are you trying to kid? The government is screwing up the military and has stolen from Social Security. You must be too young to understand.

          • Eva Cutler

            You seem to believe whatever suits your frame of mind

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          Social Security is broke and the Military in Afgan is no longer getting hot food. If that is success for you…you live a sad life.

          • Sand_Cat

            That’s obviously because people like you “can’t afford” to spend a cent for the common good.

      • Paris Williams

        Veterans and the elderly seem to be very happy with the government health programs available to them, both single payer programs, not to mention members of Congress who fight to deny those benefits for the American people.

        • idamag

          You are correct, we the recipients, are happy with the programs. It is those who want to dismantle those programs that are not happy with them.

          • plc97477

            They are happy with them just don’t think others should be allowed to use them.

          • stcroixcarp

            The folks who want to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, etc. tend to be very wealthy people with off shore tax havens and trolls.

        • plc97477

          Even members of the tea party were yelling for someone to keep their hands off of their social security. Must be doing something right.

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          The fact that they are broke and Obama just raided over 700 million to go in to a program that is now going to cost over 3 trillion (original estimate was 800 billion). So the people putting money in will never see it, thanks Democrats.

          • idamag

            You have filtered your thoughts through your own biases. It is a myth that Medicare was raided. The savings are in not paying for redundant testing and unnecessary tests. Myth number two, is that Social Security it broke. It has a 2.3 trillion dollar trust fund that borrowed money needs to be returned to. Also, a few adjustments to Social Security will increase its life.

      • Our Armed Forces are second to none. We have the best air traffic control system in the world. Our food and drug inspectors are doing a splendid job in spite of continuous budget cuts. The Center for Disease Control has developed vaccines, over and over again, to prevent the spread of diseases caused by new virus strains. Social Security has helped millions of senior citizens live with dignity. The government you so despise suppported and funded a program that allowed us to be the firs and only country to put a man on the Moon, and the list goes on.
        The problem with people like you is that you have been so brainwashed by the Republican propaganda machine that you are incapable to understanding and appreciating the benefits of a government run by the people as opposed of anarchy of totalitarianism. Open your eyes and grow up.

        • jay bacchus

          When I grew up, Dominick, one of the first things I learned was that our military’s role is defending our homeland, our vital interests abroad, and our coasts. No?

          I never learned, serving in the military myself, that one of the Navy’s vital functions was to be a role model in the green movement, spreading the word and mounting a global ‘green crusade’.

          Now that I’ve grown up, it comes to light that the Navy has received an enormous contract to reprocess kitchen grease into a substitute for fuel. This is fuel if for Navy ships that burn marine diesel. Because this is being done on a large scale, the delivered cost of this ‘grease fuel’ is ONLY $25 per gallon.

          If there’s a more expensive, roundabout way of doing something, our efficient federal bureaucracy will find a way to get it done that way.

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          Take a look at the medical care the military and subject yourself to it then make those types of comments. Obama makes the military wait 1,000 days before medical needs are processed. NASA is now closed, CDC and FDA have not caught massive

          Escherichia coli brake outs. Social Security is broke and won’t support those that will retire in the next 30 years. Every thing you mentioned is busted, over budget, closed out, or destroyed.
          So you need to open your eyes and see the gun the Feds have at your head. Well maybe not, the nicest thing they could do you is pull the trigger.

          • idamag

            I happen to have had a brother, returned from the Korean war, who developed cancer. Thanks to the VA, in Spokane he got top care.

          • BDC_57

            this idiot does not know what he/she is talking about of corse

          • plc97477

            So what else is new?

          • The system being used by the Veterans Administration is the same system that was in place when earlier presidents were in office. It needs to be changed, but changing it requires additional funding, which the sequester made impossible to attain.
            NASA is not closed. I worked at that agency 40 years and it is alive and well. What was impacted was its manned space flight operations as a result of not having a replacement system in place when Space Shuttle operations had to be discontinued because of safety issues. BTW, it takes about 10 years, rom the time a new concept is agreed upon to flight readiness. If you want to blame someone for not having a system ready to replace the shuttle, place the blame where it belongs. Interestingly, the same people that criticize Democrats for favoring big government (a lie that can be easily proven) criticize the Obama administration for transferring some of its space functions to private industry!
            Social Security is not broke. It is still running a surplus and will be around for many years to come. The only thing that needs to be done to ensure it remains solvent is to raise the contribution cap. As for the CDC and FDA, they are light years ahead of similar organizations in other countries.
            One of the most unfortunate facets of what passes for debates in the USA is our tendency to demonize the institutions that have improved our quality of life. Most citizens of the world would love to have one tenth of what we have. Think about it before you continue bad mouthing the organizations that most Americans are proud of and depend on to live long a healthy lives.

          • idamag

            Do you think Wall Street would like to get their hands on that surplus?

        • captsmitty

          Dominick-Thank you speaking the truth in a rational non vulgar way but unfortunatlly the tinfoil hat crowd is not listening to anything but the lies spouted by the gop

      • captsmitty

        You mean the GOP has never run a successful program-SS was on firm ground until the GOP started using it as a credit card,then Clinton put the money back making it solvent for 75yrs then Bush jr. spent it -remember that $200 he sent everyone back in 01.You need to read some history books with an open mind,the GOP can’t even run a successful war,oh yeah we don’t call it war,it’s now called an armed conflict.The gop hates the poor in it’s own country But boy can they spend our money on foreign aid to people who hate us.TAKE OFF THE TINFOIL HAT,GET YOUR LIPS OFF THE EXHAUST PIPE,take a deep breath of fresh air(which if left to the gop there would not be any fresh air to breath)and when your head clears take out an old history book from the early 1900’s then from the 40’s then the 60’s then the 80’s and if done with an open and intelligent mind, yours will change.

        • Roy Spalding

          Apparently you must be one of our latest high school grads, preident Lyndon Johnson in the 1960’s took the SS fund and transfered it to the General Fund so they could steal from it and write IOU’S for the past 60 years, do a little research befor you run off at the mouth;

          • captsmitty

            You are correct in the fact that LBJ first dipped into the ss fund,but there was a cap on how much they could borrow and there was a repayment plan-it was never a good plan and did not work,but at least they could not bleed it dry until Reagan removed the cap on borrowing from the fund.

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          Let us keep in mind that it was Clinton that allowed our military do get low on manpower and weapons. We found that out in Slick Willies war in Yugoslavia. Maybe Bill’s attack on the Branch Davidans in Waco (where 200 woman and children) were burn alive, the 1st attack on the World Trade Center and Bill bangs an a fat chick.

          Captsmitty you need to pull your head out of MSNBC colon.

      • idamag

        That is just not true. Medicare is a highly successful one-payer insurance. It costs me less for premiums because the premiums do not have to pay for stockholders on the bottom line.

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          Medicare is broke and Obama just raided it to pay for Obamacare. Feb 20, 2013 do your research before you make an Obama of yourself.

          • idamag

            Two lies. And you wonder why fact finders find that conservatives tell more lies than liberals.

          • 4sanity4all

            Medicare is NOT broke. The President cut fraud and mismanagement in Medicare, and the money he saved that way was applied to the Affordable Care Act. Fox news reported that he ‘raided’ it, but that was not true then, and it is not true now.

          • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

            Where have you been just Google Medicare broke and read. Obama spent 725 million from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. You need just to self terminate and don’t have kids if it is to late for that make sure they can’t breed.

          • Sand_Cat

            You are well-named. The title you have selected reflects your insufferable arrogance and ignorance, while making clear your projection of all your faults on someone else.

      • Eva Cutler

        The problem is neither with the program nor the government; it is with the people in charge to administer it.

        • The_god_emperor_Obama_Mohammad

          Eva what are programs and governments made from? People. Please find a village in need of an idiot, then you will be loved.

      • latebloomingrandma

        Ah, yes, especially that totally screwed up space program that put a man on the moon and drove satellite technology. Oh, and the seeds of the internet began in the incompetent Dept of Defense.
        YOUR statement reminds me of that unfortunate small minded man in the 19th century who declared that everything that could possibly be invented has already been invented!

        • idamag

          Good reply.

        • plc97477

          The list of idiots saying something would not work that is now common place is very long and they are still saying it is see.

          • idamag

            I remember reading a book about the coming of the railroads. It was a bad idea. They would scare cattle and wildlife and would never be efficient.

      • Allan Richardson

        Drive on an interstate highway lately? Used your GPS to find where you were going? Your parents living off you because Social Security and Medicare were never enacted? Eaten any bad food lately? Flown on a safe airline? Graduate from a land-grant college? Anyone you know burned to death in a workplace fire and the company avoided all liability? Working 40 hours with weekends off and vacation days, for a decent wage? If African-American, are you a slave?

        Oh, and are all of us speaking German or Japanese and saluting a swastika flag or a statue of the emperor?

        The government programs that avoided those problems and created those benefits were quite successful, don’t you agree?

        Actually, government programs have numbers that look worse than private business because businesses cherry-pick the customers who cost the least to serve and pay the most. Postal Service, public education, and Medicare itself are good examples. Except that EVEN though private insurers are free to turn down unprofitable customers and Medicare is not, Medicare STILL only spends 3% of premiums on non-care-related expenses (administrative costs) than private insurers do (administrative costs, advertising, executive bonuses and profit total about 30%).

        • BDC_57

          he/she won’t listen to facts in less it for them selfs

      • stcroixcarp

        Not true.

    • Dominick Many doctors are not taking Medicare patients Try and find top rated doctors in Manhattan (NY) who accept direct Medicare patients

      • mike johnson

        ya right and there gonna kill granma hahahahahahahahahh

        • Sean Kennedy

          This was predicted 6 months ago. Why would an MD accept a patient with whom he loses money when there are others waiting that he can make a profit on?

          • neeceoooo

            A doctor take an oath to treat the patient whether is will make a profit or not.

          • jay bacchus

            neeceoooo, once again, you nail us with a jewel. Are you and Paris Williams beer buddies?

            In advance, I admit that I did not attend medical school. However, many times I’ve heard about the Hippocratic Oath, which I suspect is what you refer to.

            For your liberal enlightenment neeceoooo, the oath is : I vow to do no HARM. Meaning, I swear to not do anything to make a person in my care WORSE.

            If we have a physician on the forum, perhaps he/she can step up to the plate.

          • idamag

            When you immediately say, “for your liberall enlightenment…” you let it slip that this is not a discussion on the pros and cons of the ACA, but political.

          • jay bacchus

            idamag, I didn’t let anything “slip”. ACA is nothing BUT political. It certainly is not based on common sense economics.

          • neeceoooo

            There you are wrong, ACA is about fixing a badly broken healthcare system. Every president since Clinton has tried to fix it and it took the current president with the guts and balls to tackle it.

          • Eva Cutler

            right you are!

          • idamag

            It is only political because people, like you, politicize it.

          • Eva Cutler

            right again.

          • Sand_Cat

            You’re right. It’s based on Republican attempts to evade doing anything at all about the fact that we have by far the most expensive healthcare system in the world but rank between 9th and 20th in the world in almost all indicators of medical results.

          • plc97477

            What do you have against beer?

          • neeceoooo

            Good point, what is wrong with beer

          • neeceoooo

            Did it ever occur to you that a person who goes to medical school does this because of the sick patients. If they only wanted the money they could go to law school and avoid sick patients. So it may not be something on paper such as the Hippocratic oath (which is something the doctor agrees to treat each patient with honesty) but it is something in their soul to want to go into medicine.

          • jay bacchus

            If you read the meat of the Hippocratic Oath, you will see that it deals with the physician not intentionally doing anything to the patient that would diminish the patient. Example : The physician will not take the patient’s life even if the patient so requests. The Physician will not induce an abortion. All of this could be debated for hours as to ethics changing with the times. Perhaps you’d like to go read the Oath? It doesn’t get into economics, the patient’s ability to pay or his credit rating.

            You will find that MANY doctors subject themselves to the rigors of medical school because it is a family tradition. They come from a line of doctors.

            Certainly there’s an egalitarian part of every physician. There’s a love of humanity and a sincere desire to help make the ill well again. Who would debate that?

            IMO, if you go out with a laptop and actually survey doctors, and if they are frank with you, you will hear that practicing medicine is a business that requires considerable capital. In plainer English, part of that ‘family tradition’ is to make an above average income, a professional income, an income that can help put a new generation through medical school.

            Neeceoooo, could YOU handle the responsibility and stress that a surgeon handles in cutting into another human being? Knowing that a life is literally hanging in the balance at the tip of your scalpel? The stress of telling the family in another room that “…We tried really hard. We gave your dad everything that concern and experience can bring. But your father has died on the operating table.”

            Now the question. Don’t you agree that people who take on that level of responsibility have to be compensated? At the lower level of a family practice doc in a clinic, we still have to compensate them. IMO, they know better what their costs are than an ObamaCare panel.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Oh Come on! Many jobs carry great responsibility and can do involve protecting human life. To name two of them: Police and Fire fighters. It is not always about how many dollars you put in your bank account. Doctors deserve to make a good living because the cost of their education is quite high and their responsibility for human life obvious but I can assure you that when a doctor is doing his or her job, as are Police and Fire fighters they are not thinking about money but that they are doing the best for people that depend on their skills.

          • jay bacchus

            Justin, can you really compare the two professions?

            Yes, they deserve to be very well paid, far better paid than police and firemen. And that’s to take nothing from police or firemen. It has to do with the price of responsibility than anything else.

            Modern airliners are so equipped that it doesn’t always require two people up front to fly them. So why should we pay a senior Delta captain 6 figures to fly from Detroit to Shanghai? We cold probably teach a newbie pilot to do that in 2 weeks.

            The reason why is the lives of 200 people on the aircraft behind him, hanging in the balance.

            Think about it. The greater the responsibility in a job …the higher the compensation.

          • Sand_Cat

            Sure. Have you ever learned to fly, easy as it is?

            Are you into doctor worship or something?

          • jay bacchus

            Sand_Cat, who’s weeping for “poor doctors”? Not I. Doctors will do just fine, not necessarily opening their door wide to patients who cannot pay enough to enable the doctors to make a living.

            One of the people in my little circle happens to run a McDonald’s. We’ve talked about this ‘living wage’ issue, Sand_Cat. He is required to inform every new hire that working at McDonald’s is not really going to ‘make you a living’. It isnt supposed to. Flipping burgers and mopping the floor is entry level employment for someone with precious few skills who seriously needs a part time job.

            You need to think your thinking through a little more. If McDonald’s new hires all started at $12/hour (in the Detroit area), THEY might be thrilled. But the paycheck really comes from customers, who buy the burgers. And with a $12 hourly wage base (just to use an example), you’d be looking at a $9 Big Mac. If you looked at (and understood) the manager’s P&L, you’d see this. Beyond that, how many hungry lunchtime customers do you honestly believe could pay $9 for a Big Mac?

          • Sand_Cat

            Sorry, but your comment about McDonald’s wages is completely irrelevant as a reply to mine, which mentioned McDonald’s in passing. McDonalds is a whole other subject. I nver mentioned McDonalds wages, nor intended any comment about them, and you certainly seem bright enough to have figured that out.

          • Eva Cutler

            You are on the right track.

          • idamag

            That is good, Sand Cat.

          • What?

            neeceoooo you and the other Liberals have no clue about doctors and what they have to pay. What a family doctor has to pay for malpractice insurance is probably 2X more than your family makes in a year and that is not counting his/her staff which they will need more of because of all the BS forms they need to fill out like which number do they put on the form if you walk into o pole and YES you read it right. Go look it up. Don’t forget rent/mortgage too……..Forget the Doctors for a second as the people who pay for their own insurance is going to double and all you have to do is look at California for that……Can’t wait until this kicks in and all the stupid young people who voted for him find out they are the one’s who are going to be paying the lions share of the money since they are young and healthy.

          • idamag

            Since I do not believe in political parties because of the division they have caused in this country, maybe if medicine is such a hardship in this country, we should have free education and let the government pay for medical care. As it was, big business came between a doctor and his patient via insurance companies and pharmaceuticals. Medicine was the bottom line on the stock market page of the Wall Street Journal. Stockholders were.strong competition for insurance subscribers and people who needed medical care. It became a status symbol. Lyndsay Lohan’s cosmetic surgery took more priority over a child with leukemia.

          • jay bacchus

            Wouldn’t it be just dandy to have free education and let the government pay for medical care? Don’t mean to be hard on you, idamag, but you really should have studied beyond this in junior high.

            What you just suggested DOES exist, today. In fact, it has been the rule of society for over 50 years. Why not Google :

            ‘medical care, medicine, Cuba’.

          • Sand_Cat

            Obviously you know it all, so we can just take your word for it.
            Instead of feeling so terrible for the poor doctor, who despite his hardships and sacrifices usually makes a quite nice living and has some of the highest prestige in our society, maybe you should think about the poor schmoe who can’t pay his rent and feed himself, much less pay for medical care. How many of the poor oppressed doctors would willingly trade places?
            And yes, since our entire society and culture are dedicated to squeezing as much money as one possibly can out of everything and everyone and completely devaluing anything not “worth” a lot of money, doctors do have to spend a fortune for education, insurance, etc. Those who don’t have lots of money to pay high medical costs and purchase luxury insurance plans are judged worthy of the death penalty for these “failures,” and heaven forbid that anyone else have to contribute a cent to spare them.

          • jay bacchus

            Sand_Cat, not being thin-skinned, I don’t mind you calling me a know it all. I read a lot and take pride in being informed about things I feel are important.

            It’s really not my intention to be condescending to you at all. But I do think you ought to try talking to a doctor about his position in life. Sure, there’s some prestige. There also are very long hours enough paperwork, Sand_Cat, to choke a proverbial horse. We’re going to be LOSING doctors.

            You might also ask Yahoo or Google what an average doctor earns. Also, ‘doctors leaving practices’. Don’t believe ANYTHING I offer as a comment.

          • Sand_Cat

            The comment to which you refer was not directed to you, and was not intended to be. While I strongly disagree with some of what you said, you have written nothing I’ve seen to justify the disdain therein. The doctors are not my target, either, so – although I find your excessive deference to and sympathy for them misplaced – you can stop telling me how bad things are for them. My sympathy is with those who are dying for lack of care in a country which some have bragged has “the best healthcare system in the world” – and indeed it does, if one is a millionaire or is fortunate enough to have a millionaire-sized insurance policy. Despite the undoubted difficulties for doctors – indeed, for all of us in a society run by and for the benefit of millionaires – I doubt seriously if any of them would willingly trade places with those I’m talking about.

          • Eva Cutler

            Well versed response.

          • Sand_Cat

            Who is Paris Williams?

          • Eva Cutler

            Everybody should be fairly compensated for services rendered. Unfortunately medical professionals along with paharmacutical companies have greedily overstepped their limit providing less care for ourageous prices most can not afford. Getting filthy rich on the sick and needy goes diametrically against their oath of service. Trimming unnecessary expenditures to make the system work for what it was meant to be is what “OBAMACARE” is geared to accomplish.People’s response to misleading falsified information generated by troublemakers in the midst of current political climate is gerared to create fear and confusion. It will take time for the dust to settle before we can exp[erience the outcome and understand how certain pluses and minuses were implemented to better serve the public with such a seemingly complicated program.

          • neeceoooo

            Unfortunately, medical professionals treat each patient under the direction of their insurance company

          • 4sanity4all

            my doctors kindly find ways to treat me at the least expense, because they know my insurance situation. If you didn’t find a good doctor, keep looking, they exist.

          • jay bacchus

            And please tell us, Eva …what year did YOU graduate medical school? And what was YOUR GPA?

            One problem you have, is you lack any knowledge of the practice of medicine as a business. ‘What’ explains this as well as I could. Why not review HIS post. One thing you need to understand is that MOST physicians are NOT filthy rich.

            Why don’t you also set aside the time to READ ObamaCare, all 2100 pages of it? There will be no trimming of anything, except recommended procedures for patients who are deemed too old or too problematic by the 15 member panel in Washington D.C. that reviews claims.

            My gut hunch is that our fine President, like Nancy Pelosi, has never read his pride and joy legislation.

          • Eva Cutler

            Jay, your sarcasm is out of order. This is supposed to be a discussion forum among intelligent open minded adults. I do not pretend to be anything I am not, but has lived long enough to observe and experience the escalation of efforts to grab onto ever for positions offering more money and power in our societies. With some exception, doctors, dentists and the entire healing industry has become more interested in money through the years then serving humanity. You don;t need a medical degree to have an opinion based on experience.And by the way, I happen to be a senior in the upper age range.

          • jay bacchus

            Eva, first, thanks for your comment, which I enjoyed. Yes, there’s a part of me that is sarcastic. Too bad we cannot sit down for coffee. I’m not really as harsh as you may think.

            One suggestion I have is that you make more use of Google. Do a search on ‘average income of doctors in U.S.’ And consider the expenses a doctor has to foot.

            Eva, a physician HAS to focus a great deal on money. His/her payroll service does not care how many poor he has treated, at what charge, or whether he treats the poor for free. The payroll service is only interested in HIS check to cover the paychecks going to his office secretary and his assistants.

            His liability insurance carrier has the same cold attitude.

            The commercial lenders who’ve financed the equipment in his office do not care about his egalitarian concern for the poor. Eva, that’s just how the business of medicine is.

            And BTW, Eva, I happen to be a senior myself.

          • BDC_57

            who say he is a intelligent person sounds like a teabagger.

          • Eva Cutler

            I would say he is, but overly opinionated. I know for certain only what I experience and learn from the sharing of actual experiences with others. I stopped relying on so called valid written accounts as some people’s perception is influenced by their particular position in life. while others are geared to put out misleading reports for reasons of their own.

          • jay bacchus

            Eva, there’s no particular reason you should agree with anything I say. IMO, a really well-informed person READS. I’m a great believer that reading both liberal and conservative commentary from the best minds in the country is a terrific way to know what’s really going on.

            ‘BDC_57’ YOU may be a very intelligent person yourself. But it would sure behove you to take a couple semesters of English comp at a community college.

            Use your Google. Search for the top liberal columnists. Also, if you care to have a balanced viewpoint, search for the top conservative columnists. I’ve given you 2, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. They both do exhaustive research and they’re both top notch writers.

          • Eva Cutler

            You make me laugh Jay! Before you hand out such an offensive “advise” to someone you don’t know a thing about, you may advise yourself to be less full of yourself.. I really should restrain myself from responding but something tells me someone needs to put you in your place. So, it might as well be me.

            For your information; English happens to be my SECOND LANGUAGE and while I learned the language on my own without attending schools in this country I am held in high esteem among my VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED circle of friends for the way I learned to use it. .
            Please, don’t respond. Time is precious and I always made sure to spend it with people of admirable character.

          • Eva Cutler

            And by the by. . . You may want to pick up my book and READ IT; ” SPARKS FROM THE FIRE a journey beyond survival”by Eva cutler with Kelly Howe.

          • jay bacchus

            Thank you, Ms. Cutler, for so adroitly putting me in my place.

            You see, English is the currency of the internet. The only way I can respond to a fellow commenter is by reading what they’ve written. Best wishes to you and your colleagues.

          • Sean Kennedy

            Eva; “advise” is a verb while “advice” is a noun.
            Doctors have to pay rent, utilities, salaries, insurance premiums; a multitude of things before they take home any money to pay mortgages, student loans, children’s orthodontics, etc.
            BTW-I don’t waste my time reading contemporary fiction. Trivial writing from trivial people. Your misuse of a simple word proves my point.

          • Eva Cutler

            Another Jay? I don’t remember talking to YOU. Your English might be correct- you manner however seems kind of rough at the edges.My book was NOT WRITTEN FOR MINDS SUCH AS YOURS. . Smart people need not try to impress. Only egocentric ignoramuses do .

          • Sean Kennedy

            “might be correct”, Ahh, the serenade of liberal arrogance.
            If you cannot execute English grammar properly how can you expect to create a following for your second rate prose?

          • Eva Cutler

            When I joined this forum I was under the impression i would have a chance to share opinions and thoughts with a variety of mutually concerned open minds. Sad but not unusual that a good thing got sidetracked by SOME MAN whose egocentric obsession of delusional superiority drives them to convince self by putting others down

          • jay bacchus

            Eva, with due respect, you’re operating on some very thin assumptions. Our government does not have a track record of trimming costs in anything it takes on.

            Please go read the Hippocratic Oath. The marrow of it is that a doctor will do nothing to harm a patient, such as taking his life, even if the patient begs him to do so. Or …knowingly and willingly inducing an abortion.

            You will see in another 3 years that, unless the opposing party defunds and derails ObamaCare, the program will have grossly overspent all projected budgets. That applies to building submarines, aircraft carriers …and nationalized health care.

            You are not describing a “seemingly complicated program”. It is already being described by doctors, hospital administrators, et al, as a monstrosity. There will be nothing simple about it.

            Let’s be frank. If YOU had endured the ordeal of medical school, you’d be setting priorities in life. Foremost among these would be practicing in a manner that would be your best career choice and the best choice in providing for your own family.

            There isn’t one unethical or anti-Hippocratic thing about choosing to serve patients who are generally affluent. If it were myself, it would take about 15 seconds to work in a specialty I really like, serving patients WHO CAN PAY. You see, Eva, having well-off patients is the best way I can plan on being nice and liquid as my laser machine payments come due. It’s also how I can pay my technician/assistant a decent living wage. And, let’s not forget my liability insurance payments.

            I will never be a physician. If I could be and wanted to be, I’d be a dermatologist. I’d set my sights on a career in laser tattoo removal. If a multi-visit procedure cost $10,000, I’d know they have the cash or are financeable. And THEY’D know it before appointment #1.

          • Sand_Cat

            Don’t like it? Complain to Romney, because it’s mainly scaled-up Romneycare. But the people of Massachusetts seem to be happy about it still.
            By the way, have you read the bill?

          • jay bacchus

            Sand_Cat, I have read about half the legislation, and reading it becomes very tiring. I seriously doubt our President has read it. I do know a couple of physicians, both of whom I would say are on the liberal side, as far from ‘teabaggers’ as can be. They have both said ObamaCare was never intended to be read by anyone outside of Congress. These are doctors and they describe ObamaCare as a hideous monstrosity.

            And I confess I haven’t read Romney care at all. Could you refer us to the part of RomneyCare where a 3.8% tax is levied on the sale of one’s home to help fund the program?

          • Roy Spalding

            Yea and Santa Claus comes down my chimney every year

          • plc97477

            Reagan the saint who privatized the hospitals told hospitals they were to treat anyone who came to them regardless of ability to pay.

          • neeceoooo

            You just keep your head buried in the sand and see how that works for you. Once in a while, when you come up and realize there is no Santa Clause you have a moment of shock. Did they also tell you that the Easter Bunny was a figment of your imagination.

          • Sand_Cat

            Well, I imagine you think he does.

            But actually, maybe he really does, symbolically speaking. Obviously you are in a good enough position that you don’t have to worry about your children dying or suffering for lack of medical care, so of course, why should you spare a moment’s thought for those who do?

          • Allan Richardson

            The doctors who KEEP that oath will continue to take patients from Medicare and Medicaid. There are some doctors who, in the words of Tom Lehrer, “specialize in diseases of the rich.”

          • plc97477

            A fan of Tom Lehrer. I would like to give you a thumb up for your taste in music also.

          • jay bacchus

            How long have you walked around with your head tucked up there where there’s never much sunshine, Allan?

            Both you and Mr. Lehrer should realize that in a supposedly free society, a physician should practice where he feels he can do the best for himself and his family. Who are YOU to suggest there’s something unethical or wrong if he chooses to treat the affluent?

            There aren’t many Medicare or Medicaid patients for a dermatologist who specializes in laser tattoo removal. And it’s shaping up as a lucrative area of practice You’re suggesting that maybe it’s selfish to become a dermatologist who zaps human graffiti with a laser?

          • Eva Cutler

            The only problem I see with your retort is that people devoted to the idea of becoming rich have choices other then making it on the back of sick people needing a dedicated healer.

          • jay bacchus

            Eva, dunno about you but I have known and worked around a number of people in my life who were ‘rich’. Even one billionaire. Here’s something you’ve never learned about rich people or capitalism.

            First, there is not a huge obsession with becoming rich. A lot of ‘rich’ folks couldn’t even tell you how much money they have. Their obsession lies in doing something they love to do and doing with a burning passion. In other words, find what you love. Go after it with a vengeance, forget the money. The money will follow you. AND, Eva, nobody becomes filthy rich all alone. In the process of becoming rich, one brings others along with him. It’s a law of economics.

            Second, the richest people in this country give away enormous sums of money to their foundations. And yes, Eva, they’re allowed by IRS to write a lot of that off. But what do their foundations do? I’ll use Ford Motor and the Ford family Foundation as an example. There isn’t room here to list the good done by the Ford Foundation. How about you Google Ford Foundation?

            I don’t work for Ford nor have any Ford stock. I can tell you that Ford is deeply involved in Detroit in the non-profit business of rescuing FOOD from the best markets in town. Their trucks pick the goods up every day and distribute them to food banks. This couldn’t be done without Ford’s fingerprints being all over it. There is a specific example for you. Why not Google ‘Forgotten Harvest Detroit’?

            Research anyone who’s truly rich and you’re probably going to find a charitable foundation they support heavily.

          • Sand_Cat

            Yeah, I’ve heard all that about “doing something they love.” That’s why they’ve bought our government and are trying to get their taxes cut even more, and all other requirements that they contribute anything to anyone or anything other than themselves be removed. I think you missed something: the thing that many of them “love” is making money and looking down on those with other priorities.

            Millionaires have traditionally given sums of money to charities. Despite this staggering generosity, it rarely amounts to enough to endanger their status as fabulously wealthy beyond their conceivable needs for at least 5 or 6 lifetimes in the lap of luxury. Given that some of them made their money by abusing and exploiting others, it’s not surprising they try to buy a little peace, but the damage they did will never be healed by all their donations.

            Yes, I’m sure there are wealthy people who made their money honestly, and who give from the goodness of their hearts. Many of them have been saying they could pay more taxes and urged the government to raise them. But somehow, this always gets drowned out by the others who will shaft anyone, do anything to save a nickel.

            I’m sorry to go off-topic, and you seem like a decent guy, and much of what you said about doctors is true and fair. But somehow, despite how horribly they suffer, all of the other industrialized nations of the world have somehow managed to provide health care for all who need it long before us, and it looks to me like most if not all of them have better plans than ours (probably the best we could hope for in this country, even had Obama and the Democrats pulled out all the stops). Yet we, the “wealthiest, most generous” people in the world “can’t afford” to do better.
            I contend that we could, and easily, but regrettably, people like you who seem sincere and well-meaning seem to side with those who could easily pay three or four times what they now pay and hardly notice (or, for those who currently pay zero, could pay a decent share of their income), except for the fact that I suspect there are precious few of those you idealized as not knowing how much they have; most of them seem to count the pennies these days, and if they don’t know exactly how much they have, they seem to know quite clearly it isn’t enough.

          • jay bacchus

            Sand-Cat, meaning you no personal offense, here’s what comes across. You have a basic disdain for capitalism. And you really don’t understand wealth-building. Our fine President demonstrates this same trait just about every time he speaks.

            Your average wealthy person, if there is such a thing, learned long ago that it’s necessary to bring people along with you while getting rich.

            You make a really good ‘obamanomics’ point. “…wealthy beyond their conceivable needs…”. That’s awfully presumptive and socialist thinking. On what authority do you decide how much someone needs? I gotta tell ya : ‘From each according to his wealth TO each according to his NEEDS has never worked anywhere it’s been tested and tried. The harder we try to emulate European socialism, the worse off people already of modest means in this country will become.

            Enjoying luxury is not a mark of exploitation. Mostly, it demonstrates that the wealthy person has generated profits and sales commissions for those who supplied the luxuries. The sales commission on the big yacht is partly paying for kids’ college tuition, etc, etc.

            Just think of the commissions Justin Bieber must have generated for his agents in buying that $59 million dollar crib on Grand Cayman Island. He’s a neighbor, you know, of Mitt Romney’s.

            You will not find anyone of wealth who keeps his stash in Maxwell House coffee cans under his big poster bed. Money has to be kept in motion. That’s capitalism.

          • Sand_Cat

            Yes, indeed I do have disdain for the “capitalism” we have in this country and those who defend it. I disdain any system that requires exploitation of everyone and everything else, and the complete and total consumption of all living beings on this planet to survive. I disdain those who monetize everything, who think – or pretend to think – that money heals all wounds, that it is a fair replacement for the life of any being, including the human beings they try to claim those who defend the environment hate. It is the capitalists of present day United States and their apologists who disdain and often actively hate all the rest of us, as well as our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, should those prove the very slightest impediment to their endless drive to convert the living (the earth and all of us) into the dead (money, and the flood of often useless or even harmful goods pushed to make more of it).

            Despite your claims, pretty much every country in Europe (excluding perhaps Russia and similar ones who emulate us more than the others) has a better culture, a better healthcare system, a better economic system, and a happier and healthier populace than ours. Ultimately, all of civilization is taking down itself and the natural living systems of the earth, but we are undoubtedly leading the pack and often even dragging others who are unwilling along.
            And since you brought Mitt Romney into the discussion, I have never in my entire life seen a presidential candidate more obsessed with lowering his own taxes, even though he paid – in the one year he revealed, during which he undoubtedly inflated his tax payment for public relations purposes – a smaller percent of his income than most middle class taxpayers who actually work for a living. I have also never seen one more disdainful of the ordinary American or more dishonest – excepting only George W Bush. In other words, a better argument for a far more progressive tax system than we have. Mitt Romney made his wealth – to a far greater extent than the usual capitalist – by parasitiizing others who worked to build the businesses he sucked dry and cast aside.

          • jay bacchus

            Sand_Cat, your point about the greedy and selfish Mitt Romney first. One of the things you don’t understand at all is taxes, probably because emotional Democratic Party dogma is the bulk of your knowledge of the issue. If you would make an attempt to broaden your real world knowledge, it would do wonders for you.

            Yes, Mitt Romney’s estimated $250 million dollar net worth eclipses any of our other presidents. I might punctuate my thought by pointing out to you that he’s a huge charitable giver. But back to my point. If we’re talking truth, opposed to Democratic doggerel from the likes of Harry Reid, Mitt Romney has mastered the art of buying very sick companies, in most cases ready to go out of business, and buying majority control of them at dirt cheap prices. Plain English, he took company stock for most of his consulting fees. Makes him a disgusting criminal, doesn’t it? Revolting.

            Do your know anything at all about the tax code or tax law? If not, permit me to help you out. Romney placed those very weak shares into Roth personal IRA’s in his name and his sons’ names. Got it? Sorry, Senator Reid, there isn’t a hint of illegality in this. And you, sir, knew that and still know it. It’s discussed in the Roth IRA law, for anyone who cares to go read it.

            The U.S. Tax Code AND IRS, for those who care to inform themselves, since FOREVER, has encouraged the use of any and all methods of LEGAL tax AVOIDANCE, opposed to EVASION, a felony if proven.

            When Romney deposited his anemic shares of depressed company stock into his Roth IRA (s), he immediately shielded them from taxation, again, legal and ethical AVOIDANCE. Not to mention shrewd.

            Romney’s IRA-shielded shares doubled and tripled in value as he began to oversee and rehab the companies so-purchased. And that, Sand_Cat, is the true story of where a great deal of Romney’s $250 million came from.

          • Sand_Cat

            Don’t appreciate being patronized. I know more than enough about the tax code.

            Where does your information come from?

            And sorry, my understanding is he had the companies borrow huge amounts to pay consulting fees. How do you know so much, i.e., on what do you base your detailed explanation of what he did and didn’t do? Are you his accountant, or perhaps Mr. Romney himself?

            I notice you also neatly sidestepped the claim that the bulk – if not all – of his charitable giving was to the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints, an organization that spends huge amounts to prevent others from gaining or exercising the rights to which I believe they are entitled, sends most of its boys off on “missions,” which in Mr. Romney’s case, allowed him to evade service in the Vietnam War, despite his [chicken-] hawkish position on wars to be fought by others, and continues to engage in a variety of either annoying or bigoted behaviors, often contrary to the First Amendment. I don’t really think Anne Frank needed to be baptized a Mormon eight or nine times, or whatever the current tally is.

            I also note that Mr. Romney’s healthy sons somehow managed to avoid serving in any of the several wars he supported or hoped to start.

            I made no claim that what Mr. Romney did is illegal, although a very plausible reason suggested for his refusal to reveal his tax returns is that he took advantage of an IRS-offered Amnesty for those who illegally hid funds in offshore accounts. We know he has offshore accounts, but there’s no proof of this charge, of course. But then, there’s the issue of ethics. Obviously you have a very much looser definition of what is ethical than I. I might also add that many of the things he did should be illegal, in my opinion.

            Despite your patronizing statements, I am not aware that Mr. Reid accused Mr. Romney of anything other than paying no taxes at all for the years he wouldn’t release. My aversion to Mr. Romney is not in any case a result of what Harry Reid said about him in the first place. I’m not terribly fond of arrogance and dishonesty, and I don’t appreciate being looked down upon.

            His first political ad against the president was sufficiently dishonest to shock even some right-wing pundits, and a number of others followed in the same vein. His 47% comment clearly reflects what he thinks of the “riff-raff” such as those middle- and working-class people who haven’t managed to attain his lofty financial state. His program aimed to reduce taxes for himself and others in his class to below the pittance (or nothing at all) many of them pay. He loudly condemned the ACA, a scaled-up version of what he did in Massachusetts – which seems to have been surprisingly successful, to his credit until he lied about it – which I gather from your earlier comments you think was free and unsupported by tax revenue.

            I can see that you are hopelessly enamored of millionaires, apparently the greedier, more dishonest, and more arrogant the better, and I see no reason to continue this conversation.

          • idamag

            What we have is no longer capitalism nor free market. Multi-national corporations have destroyed the free market. An example is Walmart moving into a neighborhood where there are businesses that cannot compete with them. As soon as they have destroyed that business, they move their stores elsewhere.

          • Eva Cutler

            I could not agree with you MORE! Just came across a New York Times article everyone should read; “What Sweden Can Tell Us About Obamacare” by Robert H.Frank economic professor at the Johnson Graduate School of Management at Cornell University.

          • idamag

            Millionaires get tax write offs for giving to Charity.

          • idamag

            They give large sums of money for tax write-offs. Otherwise, they would be done secretly and you wouldn’t know about them.

          • idamag

            I do remember a time when few employers offered insurance to their employees. I remember my doctor saying he wished more of his patients paid him. With insurance and Medicare the doctor at least gets paid something.

          • idamag

            You got it, Sean, the money means more than the patient.

          • The doctors I go to depend on MEDICARE patients to stay in business. They may not drive a Rolls, but they are not hurting for money. Most importantly, I suspect that, unlike their greedy colleagues, they have no problem with insomnia.

      • I live in Florida and I have not experienced any problems finding doctors, hospitals and labs that accept MEDICARE. In fact, most of our healthcare providers depend on MEDICARE patients to survive.
        It is true, however, that the cream of the crop, those whose priority is to enrich themselves by catering to the elite, are not interested in MEDICARE patients and prefers to treat patients who can afford to pay cash for treatment that may cost tens of thousands of dollars. Fortunately, there are enough doctors who remember the oath they took and who still practice to make a diffence than those whose only priority is the Almighty dollar.

        • BDC_57

          It’s more lies from the tea party makes up. they have no prove of what they say all they know is they hate the black guys ideas.

        • idamag

          Where I live, I have not experienced that, either.

        • Eva Cutler

          I also live in Florida and ditto that

        • latebloomingrandma

          In Pennsylvania, if doctors wouldn’t accept Medicare patients, they would have a very small practice.

      • howa4x

        of course they are not. When it comes to doctor greed they are the top of the hill.

    • mike johnson

      well said

    • jay bacchus

      Dominic, my friend …are you aware of how many BILLIONS of dollars were removed from Medicare in order to start up ObamaCare?

      All I can say about the balance of your comment is, you could benefit from informing yourself by some other means than Democratic spin.

      • Paris Williams

        You could benefit from leaving the conservative bubble.

      • idamag

        Billions of dollars was not removed. Redundancy was.

      • plc97477

        No money was taken from medicare to start up the aca the money you seem to like to blab about was savings from medicare when Obama ended some fraud.

      • Eva Cutler

        vs the holier then Thou republican tea servers?

    • Sean Kennedy

      To your point of the shrinking contributor base, THATS why the Dems want to allow open borders for Latinos and Muslims. It’s the same ruse the Eupoeans used.

      • 4sanity4all

        are you aware that many Mexicans have returned to Mexico, because the job opportunities are not here any more? And way fewer Mexicans are trying to come here, so that now other ethnic groups outnumber them for coming here? So, from where are your imaginary Latinos coming?

    • lee

      Dominic; You must be speaking of Original Medicare parts A and B which was affordable and mostly effective for us , the elderly. The reason for the problems lie directly with government incompetence and ineffectiveness.There is and has been a massive federal government agency charged with preventing fraud and abuse which in relation with its productivity is staffed by over paid incompetents. There are laws and CFR Regulations in place with both civil and criminal penalties that have not been enforced although those empowered to do so have been drawing their wages. America does not have an inordinately low fertility rate

      • idamag

        You are an elderly person? And Paul Ryan doesn’t worry you? I know a woman who talks just like you and she has been a rabid Democrat hater all her life.

    • lee

      Dominic; Your patently socialist comments reveal the idealism of an uniformed and dogmatic one facet youth. The government is the primary culprit in the problems of medicare. Although there is a massive federal agency charged with preventing and prosecuting fraud and abuse within the program it has not remotely performed its duties, however the personnel within that agency have received their wages. We are being hit with a two sided sword . Demographic changes are a minute component , the contributor/beneficiary ratio is a future component , however as the economy ‘recovers’ and it will as it is cyclical ,revenues into the program will increase providing funding unless there is governmental interference in either the economy or the program which is the history unfortunately.Raising taxes, a current democratic socialist mantra, is a thinly disguised call for the redistribution of wealth as it is the productive and wealthy who pay. I cannot believe you are so naïve as not to see this.

      The ACA is the largest tax increase and redistribution of wealth program ever undertaken, careful analysis will reveal it to be even larger than the other democratic socialist president, FDR’s, new deal. As an elderly Medicare patient the ACA has and will reduce my benefits and service as well as treatments while increasing my costs. Once again we are hit with a double whammy from the government. Ah yes Candide we live in the best possible world.

      • idamag

        Let’s see your figures. Reliable from reliable sources, please.

      • 4sanity4all

        Let me be the first to tell you then, you can relax. The Affordable Care Act will allow you to receive your drugs at a more affordable cost; the donut hole has been dealt with. Your benefits and services may be paid from different funds than before, but you will still receive the services you need. Your out of pocket will most likely not rise. I feel sad that someone gave you wrong information and made you worry.

        • idamag

          I remember my spouse going into the donut hole after we had paid $2700 for medicine. Full price had to be paid until $4500 was reached. The ACA has reduced the amount you have to pay in the donut hole and the donut hole will be completely closed. If you want to know how much drugs cost us in the donut hole, look up the cost of Lovanox, Zyprexa, Lantis, Lipitor, thyroid medication, etc.

    • Roy Spalding

      I didn’t believe their was still people like you in the worls, you are sooo nieve and gullable that I would find it humerous if it wasn’t so sad .

      • idamag

        You know, if you had an inquiring and open mind, you could learn a lot from Dominick.

        • plc97477

          Unfortunately he needs to be able to read in order to do that.

      • jay bacchus

        Roy, not to pick on you. With due respect, my friend, there is a technique known as ‘proof reading’. I’m not 100% at it myself, but proofing your comment does make it much easier for us to read.

      • 4sanity4all

        Dominick is very well educated and smart. I really enjoy his comments, because he reads a lot, and his posts are based on facts, not feelings or half truths from biased sources.

  • Joseph Upton

    Medicare has been running way above cost predictions ever since it was started back in the 60’s. The great economist Mises explained why these government programs are never stable and never work as well as the market place. But these days people don’t want the truth. They want the “blue pill”.

    • Paris Williams

      Medicare operates with 1% overhead costs. No market based ‘solution’ can meet that. That why the US spends more on healthcare than other democracies while millions of US citizens go without. Single payer is the only solution that really works. Insurance companies priority is profits not healthcare.

      • jay bacchus

        Paris, you are to be credited as a research maven. You found a government-run operation (Medicare) that operates on vapor-thin overhead? I gotta tell ya, that one defies credibility.

      • idamag

        Before the ACA dictated that insurance companies must put 80% of their premiums back into medical care, 86 cents on the dollar of the insurance companies was going to administrative costs. twenty-six cents of Medicare goes to administrative costs. No stockholders to pay. No 23million dollar bonuses to CEOs.

  • raintyday

    Another sales job for Obamacare! If Obama would do what his job is really about and leave funds for medicare alone it might survive. His destruction path of “ruling” and standing BEHIND the scenes is what’s wrong with our country. Worst president in entire history – to date!

    • James

      you don’t know much about how these Medical Groups scam the elderly do you ?

      • Sean Kennedy

        James-If physicians refuse to attend Srs, so be it. Running a medical office is a business. There is rent, electricity, nurses & receptionist salaries, insurance; a multitude of things to pay out before the doctor can pocket a penny.

        • jay bacchus

          Sean, IMO, you already know this. The greatest supporters of ObamaCare are Americans who think with their hearts. They are the easy prey of new age liberal Democrats. What they know is, they need a procedure and medication that’s going to cost a fortune. And ….YOU …got it. So they WANT it, ’cause they’re entitled to it.

          • idamag

            You don’t know that any of this is going to take place.

          • BDC_57

            it’s the big ifs they come up with

    • mike johnson

      daaa can ya cay bush hahahahahah ya cant fix stupid

    • neeceoooo

      Did you not read the article, Medicare has more money because of the ACA and did not occur to you that the Presidents job is to help the American people and implementing the healthcare act is helping the American people.

      • jay bacchus

        Neeceoooo, we’ll see just how much you feel you’re really being helped, first time you visit an ObamaCare clinic because you stepped on a broken bottle and need 3 or 4 stitches plus a tetanus shot.

        You’re going to be “helped” by having to fill out a form that’s about 20 pages.

        How do you reckon your health care is going to be streamlined or improved or helped with the dumping of 30 to 40 million new souls into the system?

        A young physician can easily come out of training with student loans of well over $200,000. You can’t change the truth, neeceooo, that it’s REALLY EXPENSIVE to become a doctor. You’re gonna tell these young physicians that, under the new Affordable Health Care paradigm, they’ll be earning in the vicinity of $50,000? Doctors do not endure medical training to earn a macaroni and cheese livelihood for their own families. After the student loan payments, what’s left?

        • neeceoooo

          You have no proof that treatment for a cut will be followed by 20 pages of paperwork, does a Medicare patient now have 20 pages of paper work, no. As far as young doctors coming out of medical school with loans that takes years to pay off, you are correct with that. However, that same physician now sees 25% to 30% that are uninsured and these accounts are a total loss so he can make the money back on the uninsured patients who now have insurance this will be his pay back.

          • jay bacchus

            neceooo, you are both unbelievable and somewhat entertaining. If you will only READ the legislation, which is a mere 2100 pages, some of your understanding will be updated.

            The point is that young physicians, especially serving Medicaid clients, will NOT take years to pay off their loans. What they WILL do is leave their practices. There are Medicaid procedures that will reimburse a doctor less than $10.00.

            Frankly, with the training and knowledge a young doctor has, he/she would be looking at a better living as an outside (traveling) pharma sales person.

            You’ve got an internet connection. Read around. You will learn that doctors are already LEAVING their practices in advance of ObamaCare. The stew is going to begin to thicken up in October.

            Don’t mean to be curt or rude to ya, neceooo, but Sean Kennedy sounds like a doctor. Why not read his posts. I have to adjourn. I have business to attend to here in my conservative bubble.

          • idamag

            Funny, but I know teachers who are working as clerks in stores because it pays more. I don’t know any doctors who do.

          • jay bacchus

            Funny, idamag, but here in the Detroit area, I actually happen to know a young doctor who drives a taxi part time. Doctors AND hospitals are getting verrrrrry antsy over this monstrosity coming in. You too will be agitated and perhaps aggravated when you see what the new Democrats have in store for you.

          • idamag

            Poor sap. If there were no Medicare or Medicaid, those physicians would still have the student loans and other expenses. Without Medicare and Medicaid, the physician might not get any reimbursement for his hardships. Now, I want you to prove that a doctor was made to perform medical care for $10. Names, dates, and places.

          • idamag

            Dipped-in, You don’t have to send for or download the entire bill. You can research parts of it on the internet. If I ask you what the Bible says about the poor people, do you have to read it from Genesis to Revelations before you can answer?

          • jay bacchus

            Dear neeceoooo : Please read my post you responded to (I thank you for your response).

            You are going to be presented with a form that’s roughly 20 pages at an ObamaCare clinic. Just as now, you will be presented with the form BEFORE you see the doc. If you are bleeding or in such condition that you cannot fill out the form, then I wouldn’t know how they’ll cope with that.

            Know a senior whose only asset in this life is their home, which they finally have received an offer to purchase? The offer is a whopping $185,000. It is money they need badly for family expenses.

            They will be informed, probably by their agent prior to the closing that they’re being popped approximately $7030 off the top. “Why? What’s that all about, you ask? That’s your 3.8% ObamaCare tax on the sale, you are told.

            It is one hidden tax increase layered on top of another, neeceoooo. You can read the bill online, I’m sure, if you choose to.

            Just another little tidbit for you from here in my conservative bubble.

          • idamag

            Back before Medicare, I knew seniors who died without medical care.

          • jay bacchus

            idamag, thank you for all your commments. IMO, you may continue to know seniors who succumb to their ailments before they’re cleared by the ‘death panel’ for procedures and medication.

            In some cases, their conditions were their own doing. In other cases, the panel just isn’t going to authorize a hip, a knee, etc. They won’t spend the money.

          • idamag

            I should hope you would be embarrassed to quote a backwoods, former mayor of a town of 800 people and half-term governor of a state of 900,000 residents. There are no death panels. Many of my friends have had hip, knee and other joint surgeries and they have no trouble with it getting paid for.

          • jay bacchus

            idamag, you’re probably a very nice person but you come off as poorly informed. OF COURSE THEY DON’T AND WON’T CALL IT A DEATH PANEL. It’s being set up as a panel of 15 non-elected reviewers who pass judgement on claims as they see fit prior to authorization being granted.

            If you think a patient who’s morbid obese, over a certain age or has a medical history of heavy smoking and alcohol use is going to be treated just the same as anyone else, you’re in for an epiphany. This process is not totally unlike being excluded due to a preexisting condition. If you’ve done a good job ‘wrecking yourself’, ObamaCare is not going to suddenly appear as your angel of mercy.

            Not to pick on ya, idamag, but what’s your preferred reading besides your Yahoo Daily Horoscope? Sample Investor’s Business Daily, the New York Times, Washington Post, Dallas Morning News or the Chicago Tribune.

            It might help you along in your opinion formation if your also read one good nationally conservative columnist and one good liberal one. This stuff is out there. You just need to make use of it.

          • idamag

            My spouse was a heavy smoker. There was a multitude of problems. Some were genetic like diabetes and thyroid problems. My spouse got the very best medical care until death last year. Many times the machines kept my spouse alive until a measure of health was restored. Why didn’t the so-called death panel come into play? Because it does not exist. This rumor came from a backwoods super ego who skewed the part that says at the end of life, a patient has to be given options to consider. Having experienced this, some of the options were nursing home, home care, hospice or the right to deny machine-living care.

          • jay bacchus

            idamag, this program is not going to come down with full force until early next year. October, 2013 is when ACT begins to get full traction. So no, there are no ‘death panels’ right now. And in this age of political correctness, they would not be called that anyway. You can research all of this stuff very easily.

            http://www.yeehee.com/2013/06/03/obamacare-death-panels-advisor-suggests

            There’s a link to an article you might find interesting.

            What is currently being debated is an appointed 15-member panel to review cases and authorize doctor recommendations. Who’s going to appoint the panel?

            Sorry to learn you lost your husband. The heavy smoking and diabetes are two factors that would sway the panel heavily. At a certain patient age, do you really believe the federal government is going to ‘fix’ someone who has made these lifestyle choices?

            Let’s apply common sense. 30 to 40 million newbies are being dumped into the health care system. What if 8 million of these need expensive care for conditions these patients have brought upon themselves? ACT is going to step up to the plate and pay for all of that?

            They won’t be refused outright. They’ll be placed on a waiting list for the procedures and medicine their doctors have recommended. Do you suppose this list might be managed in a manner that saves the government money? At the very least, that’s cost management. It’s also the reason for the term ‘death panel’. If they make you wait 18 months for care your doctor feels is needed IMMEDIATELY, then what?

          • idamag

            Don’t give me any hate blogs, right wing nut blogs, for information.

          • jay bacchus

            You poor, poor person, idamag, that you would associate Walter Williams with hate. If you didn’t catch it, Dr. Williams is a distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University.

            Since you seem to be allergic to common sense opinion and prose, try Thomas Sowell, another of my favorites. If you can’t handle either of them, you’ve got me wondering if your reading level is high enough. Frankly, you shouldn’t need me to refer you to either of these columnists. You eat up that Democrat Party doggerel, like spaghetti and meat balls, doncha?

            Thanks for your response, such as it is…..

          • 4sanity4all

            Are you making this up or did you hear it on Fox news?

          • jay bacchus

            4sanity4all, thank you for your response, such as it is.

            Your final point first : I do not watch Fox or any other TV for that matter. I worked in TV news and developed a mild disdain for it.

            My opinions are formed by READING. I read both liberal and conservative columnists. I also listen regularly to the prominent liberal and conservative syndicated talk show hosts. My party is the ‘Common Sense Party’.

            Ever read Karl Marx Communist Manifesto? If not, you might benefit from doing so. Today’s Democrat party is not your grandfather’s Democrat Party. It’s not Truman’s party. It’s not even Bill Clinton’s Democrat Party. In mary regards, it seems to be a direct lift from the Manifesto. Example : Divide and conquer. See any ongoing evidence of that today?

            You might Google ‘Walter E. Williams ObamaCare’. There’s some superb analysis from the conservative side, from a commentator who might surprise you.

            Again, thanks for your response.

          • idamag

            I should think doctors would like ACA as it assures they will get paid by those who were too poor to pay their doctor bills before.

        • idamag

          It is really sad. Doctors live in two room shacks and drive old model t fords because they are so poor.

        • plc97477

          Since the aca uses insurance companies to make sure all are covered there will be no changes in care that we haven’t ran into with insurance companies so far. The insurance companies are just expected to treat patients better than their bottom line.

        • idamag

          There aren’t any Obamacare clinics.

    • plc97477

      I think you are just jealous cus he has a better tan than you do.

  • this administration ought to be a vaudeville act

    • mike johnson

      na we had that can ya say bbbush

  • earl

    costs r not going down.ask any sinior, medicare is cutting trearment every year and our costs r going up. we have to have an expensive supplement or out of our own pocket. The goverment can do anything they want with numbers. Ask our politiand why the do not want to sign up for medicare. If (by accident)u get an honest one he will tell u no thanks

    • idamag

      Hasn’t been happening to me. I pay 110/month for Medicare, 40/mo for drug coverage, and 200/month for supplement. Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. I could have gone with the Advantage plan and gotten a cheaper supplement, but I chose the more expensive one. That means no out-of-pocket expenses.

  • Bassgeye

    And in another article:

    Unsurprisingly, Medicare and Social Security Will Run Dry Soon

    • Lynda Groom

      Utter nonsense. Just look to Social Security to see how strange you comment actually is. Social Security will still have funding to pay 75% of its outgo even if nothing is done by our wonderful Congress in the next ten years. The fix is easy. Stop pushing such a false narrative.

      • Bassgeye

        Try paying just 75% of your bills every month. How long before the bank shuts you down? At what point do you consider yourself unable to keep up with your bills? When you hit 50%? 40%? If you can’t pay 100% of your bills and still have something left over you are INSOLVENT!

        BTW, I was only pointing out the absurdity of this article saying everything is fine while the article I referenced said these programs will run dry soon. Which is it?

        • idamag

          Duh? What makes you think they can’t find ways to make 75% of their income last?

          • Bassgeye

            Duh? You run up a thou$and in debt each month and pay off only $750 of it and see how long you last. Not long. What kind of nut are you? You can’t run a deficit every year and get away with it forever.

          • plc97477

            Would you rather have enough to pay off 75% of your bills or 0% of your bills. Which would be the better place to be?

          • neeceoooo

            Millions of Americans ran their family budgets like that for years while good ole GWB was in office. He told everyone to go shopping and by golly, they did (on credit).

          • idamag

            fyi, most seniors are not running up debt. They will live within their means if it means eating oatmeal three times a day.

          • idamag

            If you are so “worried” about how they are going to live on 75% why don’t you urge your senator to remove the cap and require all citizens pay into Social Security. As it is, there are some who do not.

        • plc97477

          Not knowing what article you “referenced” we really can’t help you.

      • idamag

        All they need to do to make Social Security viable is to remove the cap. At the present time, after a person makes $120,000/ that person no longer has to pay in. The irony of it is that the person who makes over $120,000 is going to have the highest quarters and therefore take more out of Social Security. Left as it is: Social Security is good until 2040 and will be good at 75% after that.

  • todd Johnson

    To find out, the PBS NewsHour health unit traveled to Austin, where
    the Texas Medical Association — one of the few state medical societies
    tracking the problem — recently found that the number of Texas
    physicians accepting Medicare patients dropped from 78 percent in 2000 to 58 percent in 2012..
    “Patients are having a much harder time finding a doctor who will
    accept Medicare, in particular primary care physicians,” said the
    organization’s CEO Lou Goodman. “In Texas, about four million patients
    are Medicare, and that number is growing because of the baby boomer
    generation aging into Medicare.”

    • 4sanity4all

      Texas has one of the worst healthcare systems in the country. They are at the bottom of rankings for number of insured citizens, clinics and doctors available, and they have high rates of illness and mortality. But then, their educational system is at the bottom of the rankings, too. I guess if you want to do a story on dire situations, Texas would be a good place to find a story.

  • James

    Of course Medicare Funds will improve when Medical Groups can NOT use Elderly like ATMs !!!!
    All those Millions of Elderly that are called to come in for the Blood and Urine Test 3 or 4 times a year FOR NO REASON will stop !
    They have trained their Staff to Keep Foot Traffic High so the can Bill Medicare.
    Medical Groups are Corporations that need more profits each quarter !

    • neeceoooo

      If you had done your research you would know that unwarranted test is only a small part of the medical problem. What about the malpractice lawsuit if the doctor does not do these tests and misses something? What about the elderly who are seen for multiple medical problems? Keep in mind that a majority of these problems are self imposed such as poor diet which causes diabetes, heart disease and so much more or lung problems due to years of smoking. Next time, think before you speak.

      • Sean Kennedy

        Well, Obamacare will start dinging smokers. Once the Govt Insurance program gets big enough, it will jack up premiums for all these folks who smoke, dring, use salt, eat french fries, etc.

        • neeceoooo

          I personally, don’t have a problem with that. All (as in you and I) premiums are high because of the people who have unhealthy life styles and we (as in you and I) pay for it.

          • idamag

            If prove to be a bad driver, my automobile insurance goes up.

        • old_blu

          That is perfectly okay with me if you don’t like the higher cost quit smoking, drinking, etc……

          • neeceoooo

            Amen, hi there friend.

        • plc97477

          Where are you getting your information? I have never seen so much total bs.

          • BDC_57

            he getting it fox fake news like all the lying tea baggers

    • Sean Kennedy

      The doctors have to pay rent, electricity, salaries, insurance. Then they can take home a little for themselves. Why waste time on a 70 year old on Medicare?

      • Lynda Groom

        Someday Sean you will get older and I hope you remember to tell the doctors to not help you because it is a waste of time helping older Americans.

        • idamag

          Or maybe he plans on giving his parents a sack of food and abandoning them in the wilderness when they can no longer keep up with the tribe.

      • idamag

        Too bad Dr. Kvorkian died. He might have been a solution for the aging.

    • idamag

      Medicare only allows one test per year, unless the patient has a problem that requires he have more. They don’t pay willy nilly for those tests.

  • Oren

    I’m forced to have Medicare even though I don’t want it. It’s beyond expensive and doesn’t pay squat. Who care about it? Consign it to the history bin.

    • Lynda Groom

      You can always refuse Medicare. Sound like a wonderful idea if all those who hate Medicare got out of the system to the rest of us can enjoy the program even more.

      • idamag

        I do think all those who hate Medicare should get out of the system and pay a private insurer.

    • neeceoooo

      Lynda is correct, you can refuse Medicare. You also have the option of a managed care Medicare plan and good luck with that.

    • idamag

      Oren, you didn’t have to sign up for Medicare. No law says that.

      • Germansmith

        Unless you are employed, there are no alternative to Medicare for people 65 and over. Insurance companies do not offer any plans as there will be very few clients for them
        Medicare and Medicaid are both wonderful ideas…VERY POORLY IMPLEMENTED. That is why there are Medicare Advantage Plans that offers better deal than Medicare itself (and a couple of very bad ones as well like Preferred Care Partners in Miami that can also gets you killed)

  • Sean Kennedy

    The argument from the Right regarding the pilfering of $700 billion from Medicare was that hospitals and doctors will curtail attending Medicare patients as this is a losing business model. The article carefully ignors what seniors are starting to face.

  • Brandon Millerd

    Of course medicare will go bankrupt. By all accounts we already ‘are’ there, and have been for years… but apparently this insolvency is still, well, solvent… change is ‘always’ necessary, no matter who or what, is involved.. in anything really.. so I really wouldn’t worry, at least those concerned about ‘the world ending soon.. and then some’.

  • This article sez odumber care is GREAT, the article later on today or tomorrow will say that Odumber care is the worse law since immigration, so, what in the Hell are you supposed to believe, I choose to believe this Law was probably contrived by the Devil himself and we all know who that is!!!!!

    • plc97477

      Yes the law was made by the heritage foundation and started in Mass. by romney.

  • JustJPs

    This guy is a knee pad wearing Obama hack.

  • jay bacchus

    Those of you who are so ramped up about ObamaCare apparently are not familiar with Senator Max Baucus, who basically co-wrote the Affordable Health Care legislation. You apparently missed his stated view about 6 weeks ago + – about his bill.

    If you did miss out, permit me to paraphrase what he said. ‘ObamaCare is a train wreck that we’re headed directly into’. IMO, most of the commenters whose posts I have read, come off as if they have never read the bill and know almost nothing about it, beyond it’s name.

    The jury has not reentered the courtroom yet. That happens this fall when ObamaCare gets it’s real implementation traction. We shall see, come October, how many of you supporters remain so enthusiastic.

    For the health of the economy and overall employment, the opposing party needs to defund ObamaCare.

    If you read the Labor Department’s monthly U6 figures, our labor force is shrinking. That is why unemployment is quoted as being so low as 7%. Even a tiny increase in jobs is magnified beyond reality. According to the U6, unemployment is actually hovering close to 15%. In our big urban centers like Chicago and Detroit, minority unemployment is north of 30%. Again, reference your U6, which does not describe an economy in any kind of ‘recovery’.

    ObamaCare is a multi-layered tax increase. Here is something everyone who THINKS should understand. In order to stimulate an economy into a robust recovery, the last thing you’d want to do is impose new and serious taxes. HIgher taxes retard an economy. And guys, that is exactly what we’re in the process of doing.

    Beginning in October, more and more layoffs will occur as employers get serious about trimming their full timers back to 30 hours or less per week. Why? Your wonderful ObamaCare is at work! For those of modest skills and means, we’re moving toward an economy of part time workers. How many hotel clerks and hospitality workers and burger flippers does America really need?

    • idamag

      And Ronald Reagan said Medicare would push the nation into bankruptcy in four years.

      • jay bacchus

        Ronald Reagan was not right about everything he did. I can find lots of fault. But Reagan, largely on the advice of one Arthur Laffer, Jr., did rehab the economy in his 2nd term. If he remained in office for another 4 terms, our current President would never come CLOSE to posting 800,000 jobs in a month

  • What a bunch of lies by the left, its already been shown obama-care will destroy the health system, cost have already skyrocketed . Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America.

    • 4sanity4all

      California embraced the Affordable Care Act. Just this week, I read that the rates insurers plan to charge are just over $200/month for a healthy young person, and just over $400/month for an old person with prior conditions. One insurer asked to be able to re-submit their rates because other insurers were offering these prices, and they wanted to remain competitive, so they were lowering their rates.

  • Marilyn Stern

    The most dreaded branch of our government has always been the IRS, which can dibilitate or destroy anyone. So guess who they put in charge of Obmacare. None other than the IRS.

    IRS employees are unionized. After a March 31st meeting with Colleen Kelly, an Obama appointee, and the Union President, who is also an Obama appointee, Obama issued yet another Executive Order giving the Union unparalleled power over IRS decisions and functions.

    • plc97477

      Lets hope obamacare covers paranoia.

      • neeceoooo

        That one a good one, we could use that for the rest of the dimwits on this discussion. I won’t name names but you know who you are.

  • Frank

    Another example of say something enough and some idiot will believe it as truth. Problem is, the libs believe that Obama can do no wrong and in the mean time, the U.S. is sliding down the path to destruction at the hand of this egotist.

  • Kazzim10073

    Utter nonsense. These are projections issued by the government. Come back when you have some real data.

  • Archie’s Boy

    Meantime, it must still be protected from attacks from the lunatics on the right.

    • idamag

      Me, too.

    • BDC_57

      they should move to another country if they don’t like it

  • RobertCHastings

    For those of you who are honestly concerned about the ACA, the current issue of Consumer Reports has an excellent article, which not only explains what SOME of the ACT will do for us, but gives a comparison between our system and the French system, a real eye opener.

  • howa4x

    Medicare can easily save more money by changing reimbursement formulas. Before Obamacare doctors saw the senior population as a cash cow, ordering more and more tests getting paid for each one and handing out more and more prescriptions getting paid again and again. Some of the early diagnosis of dementia was really that seniors were in a fog due to all the different medications they were on. It is not uncommon to walk into any seniors house and see bottles of medication in a number of rooms. The doctors worked closely with Big Pharma to get as many people on their drugs as possible. I see it with my friend. We are both 65 and he is on 12 different medications and I’m on none. that’s because he is in the medical model and I’m in the prevention model
    What the ACA changed was now doctors don’t get reimbursed for random testing. It has to be part of a medical plan. What is the diagnosis and what’s the treatment plan is all that matters. Electronic records follow patients so medication isn’t duplicated when you change doctors. There is also a beefed up anti fraud policies so less chance of creating a Medicare mill. although it still happens the fines are much steeper and in some cases there is jail time, Finally there is more emphasis on preventive services.
    Medicare is also running pilot programs with hospital systems so that surgery is done right the first time. In these pilots if a hospital makes a mistake they have to eat the cost not the government
    It is not a panacea but considering the republican have no plan it is a start.
    They are getting the cash cow senior back in the barn and closing the door

    • 4sanity4all

      Are you trying to confuse the die hard GOPers on here with facts? What can you be thinking! If you aren’t careful, you will get them to tamp down their paranoia and be glad that the ACA could not be repealed.

      • howa4x

        Facts are like kryptonite to republicans

    • idamag

      I don’t think the Republicans ever intended to have a medical care plan. They wanted to leave it as a status symbol for the rich.

      • howa4x

        Bush said I have a plan! Let the uninsured go to the emergency room

  • jay bacchus

    Sand_Cat, meaning no personal disrespect, I guess I feel much as you say you do. I just don’t have much more spirit for this discussion.

    Sand_Cat, as I’ve mention to a couple of other commenters, I read voraciously about those things that interest me. I go to the source. IRS, the Caymans, The LDS Church, Selective Service, relative levels of tithing.

    I read excerpts from the Investors’ Business Daily, N.Y. Times, Washington Post, Dallas Morning News, Chicago Tribune, and San Jose Mercury News, among others. I have both liberal and conservative columnists that I read to broaden my scope.

    If you were knowledgable about the tax code, you wouldn’t be making some of the comments you do. I know what I know about it because I’ve researched parts of it that pertain to the ridiculous and venomous accusations made during last fall’s campaign. One such was this utter nonsense about unreported income, about Mr. Romney’s supposedly having paid no taxes in 10 years.

    If you understood what you’re talking about, you’d know that off shore jurisdictions like the Cayman Islands have what are known as ‘repost’ agreements with IRS. Plain English, the Caymans report what you’ve done, how much you’ve made, TO IRS. it’s all there. Of all the things he may be, Mitt Romney is not the village idiot. Only a world class moron manages accounts from off shore, deliberately fails to report them on his taxes …and then runs for President. C’mon, you can see through that, can’t you?

    Another glaring lack of knowledge you display pertains to the issue of draft evasion during the Vietnam War. Sand_Cat, if you research the Selective Service law, you’ll note a provision that allows for conscientious objection. Ever heard of it? Understand it?

    Romney was approved as a ‘religious missionary’, which he was. An objector is complying with the law and is NOT a draft evader. I served in the Air Force and don’t fully agree with all the SS provisions. That doesn’t alter the law. A draft evader is flying under the radar so as not to be caught. A conscientious objector with legal status is out in the open about it, NOT a draft evader.

    To be sure, there are legions of folks who despise the LDS Church, of which I am NOT a member. But neither am I a religious bigot. It’s his Church and Mitt Romney walks the walk. He supports his church generously. The record is available online. Go compare Romney’s level of tithing to our President’s. Or to Harry Reid’s. I will not condemn a man for supporting his church.

    Sorry you feel I’m patronizing. You have an internet connection just as I do. You could do the same research I’ve done. Isn’t that a beautiful aspect of the internet?

    Health and wisdom to you. Hey, let’s disagree vehemently …without being disagreeable!