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Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Only 39 percent of North Carolinians support the draconian set of voting restrictions that The Nation‘s Ari Berman called “the country’s worst voter suppression law,” according to a new survey from Public Policy Polling.

“Voter photo identification is the central element of these reforms,” Governor Pat McCrory (R-NC) wrote in an op-ed defending the bill he signed today. Requiring ID is clearly the most popular feature of the law, with 66 percent of voter supporting that provision.

But the popularity of the ID requirement isn’t enough to negate the extremely unpopular aspects of the bill, which 50 percent of voters oppose.

Both Democrats (70/12) and Republicans (68/22) think straight party voting should be allowed to continue.

Similar margins oppose reducing early voting. The end of extra opportunities to vote in Florida led to reports of some people waiting as long as nine hours to vote. Governor Rick Scott (R-FL) recently signed a bill restoring early voting.

These two provisions are among more than a dozen restrictions on voting that are designed for one purpose: stopping non-Republicans from showing up at the polls. Since Republicans took over both state houses and the governor’s office, they have been pursuing an unabashedly conservative agenda that has baffled the rest of the nation and drawn protesters by the thousand to the capitol every week for “Moral Mondays.”

On Monday, two lawsuits challenging the law were filed with another focused on the voter ID provision expected to be filed Tuesday.

Since the Supreme Court threw out Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act that set out the formula for the states and counties requiring “pre-clearance” all of the changes they made to their electoral processes, seven southern states have passed laws that will likely make it more difficult for minorities to vote.

But no state — not even Texas, which the Department of Justice is seeking to put back under “pre-clearance” because of their aggressive stance against minority voter rights — is as bad as North Carolina.

Clearly, the state’s voters, including 70 percent of moderates, don’t like it.

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  • Dear republicans: If you have to make it harder for people to vote, your policies suck.

  • Sand_Cat

    SO WHO VOTED THE CREEPS THAT PASSED ALL THIS STUFF? Could it be many of the same people who oppose it?

    • Dominick Vila

      I doubt it. The members of the hate groups who can’t tell the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh are unlikely to feel any remorse if the rights of minorities and the poor are infringed upon.

  • Lynda Groom

    Perhaps the good citizens of North Carolina will begin to realize that the folks they put into office don’t give a damn what the citizens want. Then maybe they will begin to do something about the problem. A good start would be to elect people who share your beliefs. All of the nonsense happening in that state house should not come as a surprise to anyone. Their intentions were well known, with the exception of the lying governor who broke promises, the path to this mess should have been clear to all. Anyone who still believes that the GOP stands for anything besides power is naïve.

    • mikem42

      Do you believe that this country, the USA, sends representatives to foreign countries to “observe” elections to see that they are fair? Who is observing elections here, in our own country. We just moved from Pa. where the current administration is passing similarly harsh voter I.D. laws, and the trend is spreading, thanks to the slanted Supreme Court. I worry about our country.

      • yodacohen

        American delegations often observe foreign elections. Former President Jimmy Carter, as a function of Atlanta’s Carter Center, has done it many times.

    • sigrid28

      This is also probably the only way to remove these laws that actively suppress the vote in North Carolina.

  • Dominick Vila

    The latest attempt by the GOP to win elections by keeping a large segment of our population from voting is not only disgusting and undemocratic, it is an embarrassment for the United States. How are we going to tell people in Third World countries that we are going to monitor their elections to ensure they are fair and devoid of fraud? The way things are going foreigners will be needed to limit the power of the American elite and the big corporate guys to dictate who our next leaders will be.
    Changes like the ones that are taking place, courtesy of the Tea Party, and the recent “Supreme Court” decision have absolutely nothing to do with the law, with the need to eliminate non-existent fraud, or attempts to strengthen our purported democratic values, they are examples of plutocratic principles unworthy of a country that claims to be a bastion of freedom and democracy.

    • sigrid28

      Worse yet, according to the country’s foremost authority on election law, Hagen, the two law suits pending against this North Carolina legislation–an omnibus of voter suppression–have very little chance of stopping this bill in its tracks. The standard of proof of discrimination is too high for the NCAAP or other groups behind the law suits to meet.

      • yodacohen

        Say that to all the Dems who in 1968 sat at home because they thought Hubert Humphrey was a sellout on the Vietnam War, a toadie to Lyndon Johnson. Whiny hippy and otherwise foolish Dems who put Richard Nixon into office and began this long, slow march toward a right wing Supreme Court. Add to that the Democrats who turned their backs on Albert Gore Jr in 2000 because of his personality and bill Clinton’s personal moral behavior in the White House.

        Who’d Chris Matthews vote for in 2000 for President? He says George W Bush. Why? Why in the hell did he vote against a liberal Supreme Court? Mark McKinnon, that Democratic consultant from Austin who suddenly jumped onto the Republican bandwagon and worked for W. he dislikes what Republicans are today and STILL votes and acts Republican. People like these are to blame or this nation pushing ever right-ward at the Supreme Court.

        • sigrid28

          Sadly acknowledged. Another new wrinkle in the North Carolina debacle is that the governor appointed a new state election board–all Republican. At a county level,new election boards have been appointed with Republican majorities. In Elizabethtown (?) there is a move afoot to REFUSE TO ALLOW registered college students (mostly black) from the local branch of the state university to vote. Rachel Maddow has been following this part of the story. People from North Carolina just sit there an take it, I guess, when it is not Moral Monday.

  • chisolm

    Imagine that, government doing something the people disagree with; reminds me of Obamacare.

    • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

      President won re-election and Obamacare was part of the debate, so perhaps you are using the wrong analogy. Polls not that much faith – estimate there 150,000,000 registered voters and how many of them participate in the poll – 1,000, 2,000, 150 or 200. How many are Republican how many are Democratic? Sorry, Polls not realistic but the election much more accurate as to what the people agree or disagree with.

      • Lisztman

        Sorry, disqus. You apparently don’t know anything about polling or statistics. Done properly, polling is fine. Yes — if you have a predetermined outcome in mind, you can “fix” the poll. But if you know what you’re doing, and have a genuine desire for an unbiased, true, result, it can be done.

        As far as your “how many participate in the poll?” question — at the end of any genuine poll result, you’ll hear a number “Margin of Error” and a percentage. If you take a course or two in statistics you will understand that this number is specifically provided to let you know the certainty to which a given result is accurate. If they don’t give a margin of error, or decline to note it as an “unscientific poll” — then you can withhold credence.

        This applies to polls which are performed by recognized groups: Gallup, Marist College, and the like, who take the business seriously. If the poll was informally conducted by your local Library Committee, you may question the result.

        • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

          Sorry I wasted your time Lisztman, I was aware of how polls were conducted and I am very aware of the “margin of error” number. You trust polls and that is fine, I personally do not put much stock in polls.

      • yodacohen

        Polls no good? Have you ever heard of A C Nielsen Television Ratings? Ratings are essentially polling about who watches what when on tv. Same for Arbitron and radio. Billions of dollars are spent annually by huge product manufacturers and service providers based on Arbitron and Nielsen ratings. Why? Because it is an excellent estimate of audience size, gender, and age. Corporations don’t spend billions based on terribly flawed research.

        • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

          For me I do not put much stock in polls. I have heard of Nielsen TV Ratings and I do not base my viewing on what the polls say, but rather what I enjoy watching. Heard of Arbitron and radio, and I am aware Corporations spend billions on this research. You believe they are invaluable and use their findings to base your choices on them. I do not, I prefer to go by what I see and hear and that is how I vote – not by polls. I do not let polls dictate my position on something, I just don’t put the same faith in them that you do.

          • Lisztman

            disqus: Apparently you fail to understand why polls exist. They have nearly nothing to do with swaying the voter, or the viewer, or the listener, etc. They are generally tools used by the subjects of the poll — the politicians, advertisers backing the subject, or the programs, and the like.

            The closest you’ll come to being swayed by a poll is an advertiser statement like “3 out of 4 dentists think gargling with 3-in-1 Oil is a great idea.”

            Election polls exist not to determine the outcome of the election, but to tell the candidates (and/or their backers or opposition) where the campaign dollars are best spent. The effect on the voter is insignificant (except, perhaps, in the case where voters for a particular candidate are galvanized because, suddenly, they’re a half-point behind).

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            Sweetie you fail to grasp that I understand polls and why they exist. I just do not give a damn. You support them – fine. You participate in them – Great. Why are you trying to force me to share your opinion. As far as I am concern – it depends on the questions, how they are asked and are there variations to the same question. Please let us end this discussion, because from this point on it will be one sided, as I will no longer participate.
            Jesus, just because I said I don’t put much faith in polls you imply more than once that I just don’t understand polls. It never occurred to you I just don’t have the same confidence in them as you do. Be well – Be Happy – Be a Poll Watcher.

    • idamag

      You are not a good addition to a discussion board. You are so immature, you cannot even stay on topic.

    • Bambi

      Those that disagree with “Obamacare” need to state a valid reason why they disagree. Without empirical evidence to prove it’s factual, it’s just speculation. Why would people disagree with a program that saves lives?

      • yodacohen

        I just had to chime in here. I was at a breakfast networking group in Houston this morning. One guy said he can’t afford to carry his individual health insurance policy because “Obamacare made it too expensive.” I couldn’t help myself.

        I said, “Obamacare isn’t even in action at this point, and since the State of Texas has refused to set up an exchange, no one knows yet which companies will offer individual policies or what they will cost. New
        York state set up its exchange and way more companies decided to participate than was expected and rates dropped approximately fifty per cent.”

        His response? “What do insurance companies have to do with it? It’s the government. And just what do insurance companies think of it? I bet they hate it.”

        OMG. Where do I start?

        I said, ” You don’t buy insurance from the government. You buy it from insurance companies. Private companies. If you can’t afford it there are gov’t subsidies and tax credits available. Insurance companies are happy that they get to sell millions of additional policies. They do not like the fact that they cannot keep more than 20% of the premium revenue, but must pay it out in benefits or rebates to the policyholders.”

        An insurance agent chimed in, “insurance companies don’t like it because they have to pay out claims on very old people who get sick for sure.”

        My response: “you mean like me (I am almost 65).”


        “We’ll that’s interesting. I’m almost 65, and just signed up for Medicare. Medicare has nothing to do with Obamacare. I will not be eligible under the affordable care act. Senior citizen claims for sick people over 65 have no impact on the insurance risk pool under Obamacare.”

        The guy who needs the insurance has a masters degree and is a geologist who left corporate life. His response? “I don’t believe a word you say. You’re just a liberal who’s drunk the kool ade.”

        What the hell is wrong with people? I had good news for him. He refused to accept it and insulted me.

        • Independent1

          Yoda, what you experienced was probably the result of all the negative Obamacare press that the Koch Bros. have been broadcasting across the nation. One statistic you may want to keep in mind is that Obamacare has already saved Americans money (some thousands of dollars),
          Analyst monitoring the insurance industry have discovered that the increas in insurance premiums over the past 3 years (sinc Obamacare was enacted), have increase at the slowest rates in 15 years. These analysts have projected that, had Obamacare not been enacted, insurance premiums today would be 25-45% higher than they already are. That means that someone whose premiums have increased to say $600/mo could easily be paying over $800/month without Obamacare (another $2,500 or so per year). People whose premiums have gone up as high as $1,000/month could easily be paying over $1,300/month or another $4,000/yr. And these savings have been realized before the portion of Obamacare that should really reduce premiums goes into effect next year.
          It’s really unfortunate that the so called “liberal press”, hasn’t done a better job of really letting Americans know just how great a job that Obamacare HAS ALREADY DONE FOR THEM!!!

          • yodacohen

            Thank you.

            Your post triggered another gut level “I just have to respond” moment for me, and that is with regard to my frustration and anger with Democrats in general and the President in particular when it comes to convincing Americans that our legislation is right for them.

            The President’s attitude seems to be that he can’t be bothered with it and that people ought to know it intrinsicly. Democratic members of Congress don’t seem to know how to market, sell or support Democratic legislation, and don’t want to do it. They don’t or won’t learn and articulate the words that will shut down the Republican propaganda. They just sit there and take the Republican propaganda and then either duck and cover or weasel out of defending their votes when election time comes around. That’s why the “shellacking” in 2010. One can talk gerrymandering all day long. But how did those Republican voters becme the way they are in the first place? Democrats got outsold by people who know how to sell well. Micro targeting is a great tool to win elections for the presidency and other offices. That is, until the Republican propaganda machine whittles away the pool of Democratic-leaning voters in enough places that there aren’t enough to micro target. Red states, with the exception of VA, are becoming redder. PA, coming of a successful Rendell Administration, has had a disastrous Corbett Administration with voter ID, etc. NC is the latest example. I have lived through it for 25 years here in Texas. Red states now have the Senate in play. Inexcusable. When are Democrats oing to grow a pair and turn this situation around?

          • Justin Napolitano

            Thank you for telling the truth. Why in the hell aren’t the Democrats doing a better job educating everyone about Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid and how they are affected or not affected by it.
            Thanks for the post.

  • Mike Rodgers

    Bill Maher said it last weekend: “Art Pope bought North Carolina, and it didn’t even cost him that much!”

    • sigrid28

      So true. Then he had himself put in charge of the budget. Now an entire state lives in his house.

  • Allan Richardson

    They don’t CARE whether only 39 percent of the voters approve of their voter suppression laws. That 39 percent will be the ONLY voters on the rolls after they finish their work!

  • idamag

    That raises my hopes that there are decent people in North Carolina.

  • Is this a surprise? The entire strategy of the GOP is to lie, cheat, steal, and suppress. If the poorest of individuals really had a sense of how the GOP manipulate them through God and prejudice. SO the GOP finally rank in office in NC and what do they do? Pass the most regressive laws that anyone has seen in 100 years. Good Job GOP, for making a complete ass out of NC. I just hope you’re all voted out and shamed back into some sense of civility.

  • midway54

    Irrespective of the opinion of majority citizens in NC or in other (especially the red) states or in the country, the plutocrats will say and do what is necessary through their propagandists’ deceitful bilge and activity, aided and abetted by the great number of mindless dupes among the voters who in their frenzied opinion wholly support them in the name of patriotism and the American Way.

  • elw

    North Carolinians are in for a big surprise if they do not push back against the voter suppression laws, because they may find that the inconvenience of voter suppression will spread to the inconvenience of every citizen in the State who will have to deals with laws that suppress other freedoms as well. Voter suppression is the first step to a Fascist State.

  • tdm3624

    I don’t have an issue with requiring proof in order to vote, but that proof should be available free of charge to the voters. I bet most of these laws force people to pay a fee, money that they don’t have.

  • Pamby50

    The republican party is now starting to throw away the senior citizens votes. They know they have lost them by constantly voting to get rid of medicare & social security. Their theory is to make it harder for them to vote to. You believed the garbage they were espousing. Now that it has been turned on you, you’re surprised. Wake up. It is not to late.

  • Budjob

    Where in the Hell is a civil war when we need one?This time around we should let those ignorant bastards win and be done with them forever!!

  • Lisztman

    The current track of the Republican Party has an inevitable finale: the 1% will end up sitting in their mountaintop castles surrounded by fences, or in their palaces surrounded by moats. And sooner or later the rabble will recognize that everything has been stolen from them; will storm the ramparts, and it will be game-over for the GOP.

    It may take awhile — at the moment, though, they’re running out of ways of convincing the plebeians that this is all in their best interests, so the moat-digging and fence-building is underway. Putting up fences around the voting booths is simply one step.