By Josh Marks

NRA-Backed Sen. Joe Manchin Comes Out For Gun Control

December 17, 2012 2:00 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 41 Comments A+ / A-
NRA-Backed Sen. Joe Manchin Comes Out For Gun Control

Friday’s mass shooting of 20 children and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut has shaken the nation to its core. When President Obama, in his moving speech on Sunday night to a grieving community at a Newtown prayer vigil, said, “These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change,” perhaps he was talking about pro-gun politicians like West Virginia’s Democratic Senator Joe Manchin, who this morning came out for gun control action.

On MSNBC’s Morning Joe, in the same segment in which host Joe Scarborough also reversed his stance on gun control, Manchin discussed the need for more gun safety regulations and pledged to support Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)’s reintroduction of a bill to ban assault weapons on the first day of the new Congress. On Twitter, Manchin threw his support behind retiring Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman’s proposal for a bipartisan commission on gun violence.

Getting Manchin behind new gun control laws is a significant development, considering he is not only endorsed by the National Rifle Association, but received an “A” rating from the gun rights lobbying organization and was the top Democratic recipient of NRA campaign contributions in the last election cycle. And of course who can forget Manchin’s TV ad, when he fired a rifle at a cap-and-trade bill?

On the show, he said “I want to call all our friends at the NRA and sit down. They have to be at the table. This is a time for all of us to sit down and move in a responsible manner. I think they will.”

Perhaps the biggest question now is if Manchin is alone in his view, or whether the dominoes will start to fall and other NRA-endorsed political leaders will come out for stricter gun control measures. And will the NRA join the discussion and maybe even get behind common sense gun safety laws, or will they retreat — or possibly come out more boldly against gun control?

“Seeing the massacre of so many innocent children has changed everything,” Manchin said. “Everything has to be on the table.”

Photo credit: AP/Dave Martin, File

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  • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

    Fuck Everything, Nation Reports
    Just Fuck It All To Hell
    News • News • Dec 15, 2012

    “I mean, Christ almighty, how the fuck can this happen?” sources say.
    WASHINGTON—Following the fatal shooting at a Connecticut elementary school that left at least 27 dead, including 20 small children, sources across the nation shook their heads, stifled a sob in their voices, and reported fuck everything. Just fuck it all to hell.
    All of it, sources added.
    “I’m sorry, but fuck it, I can’t handle this—I just can’t handle it anymore,” said Deborah McEllis, who added that “no, no, no, no, no, this isn’t happening, this can’t be real.” “Seriously, what the hell is this? What’s even going on anymore? Why do things like this keep happening?”
    Continued McEllis, before covering her face with her hands, “Why?”
    Despairing sources confirmed that the gunman, armed with a semiautomatic assault rifle—a fucking combat rifle, Jesus—walked into a classroom full of goddamned children after murdering his mother, good God, if this is what the world is becoming, then how about we just pack it in and fucking give up, because this is no way to live.
    I mean, honestly, all 315 million Americans confirmed.
    “Well, I suppose we have to try to pick up the pieces and make some sort of sense of this tragedy and—you know what? Fuck it, I can’t do this,” said Connecticut resident Michael Zaleski, his remarks understandable given the circumstances, because, holy shit, what else can one say? “I’m sorry, but I can’t fucking do this. Can you? Can anyone?”
    Witnesses said the gunman fired at least 100 rounds during his deadly rampage, which, according to children in the school—goddamnit, how? How? Twenty children. Dead. In a fucking school.
    No. No, no, no.
    “I just feel so [why does it even matter what this person said when no words can bring 20 dead kids back to life?]” said some person who, just like everyone else, is completely unable to process or handle any of this. “It’s awful. Just too awful to bear.”
    Americans reported feelings of overwhelming disgust with whatever abhorrent bastard did this and with the world at large for ever allowing it to happen, as well as with politicians, with the NRA, and above all with their own pathetic goddamn selves, sitting in front of a fucking computer instead of doing fucking anything to help anyone—Christ, as if that were even fucking possible, as if anyone could change what happened, as if the same fucking bullshit isn’t going to keep happening again and again and fucking again before people finally decide it’s time to change the way we live, so what’s the point? What the hell is the goddamned point?
    “I…” said Tom Miller, 27, after reading an article about the tragedy online. “I just…”
    “…” he added.
    At press time…ah fucking screw it, there’s nothing else to say.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003194495043 Katherine Thompson

      This is how it will work . If you can get congress to act on
      gun control any one that voted to to control Guns will be voted out the next
      election. And the gun nuts win, and over turn the laws . This sends the massage
      to both sides the laws are allowed to expire and here we are again. It happened
      before in 1994 and it will happen again to the detriment of the public

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      Can’t you post anything without using cuss words especially f–k? You can get your point across very well without cuss words, you demean what you are posting by using the f–k word in just about every sentence. You have had good points in some of your posting but that one word you like to use keeps people from reading your posts. I always quit reading after the first sentence most of the time because of that one word.

  • nobsartist

    Any idea how many children were killed in Iraq?

    Are our children different than those in Iraq?

    • sickofthecrazies

      Yes. They are on American soil and need to be protected. As a parent myself, I simply cannot imagine why ANYONE, especially someone with little ones at home, would NOT want stricter gun control laws. Do not confuse a foreign war with what happened in Connecticut. And to think, people call ME a crazy liberal. Think about what you just wrote. You seem quite un-patriotic to me.

      • nobsartist

        So your children are better than everyone else’s? Sorry, I may be “un-patriotic” but you are an asshole.

        • commserver

          Are you doing anything to stop the killing of children in Iraq? Why not?

          • nobsartist

            As a matter of fact, I do all that I can, all of the time. What about you?

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            Why don’t you ask yourself that question?

        • metrognome3830

          Well nobs, you go and protect the children of Iraq. I’ll be an asshole and stay here and protect our children as best I can. That includes yours. Send us a postcard from Iraq, let us know how you’re doing?

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            It would be better if you would protect all children from the assholes. That is what a good person would do.

          • metrognome3830

            Is that what you do? And tell me, just how do you protect all children? By writing snarky notes? Hell, I can do that. But let me know how you protect all children. That sounds like a rather large task. I don’t understand you and nobsartist. I believe in protecting the children I can and I encourage others to do the same, but I can’t protect them all. By your reasoning, if I can’t protect the children in Iraq then I shouldn’t worry about protecting the children in this country.

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            I spent 26 years as a member of the US Army that is more then you did.

          • metrognome3830

            And I thank you for your service, Warren. But that doesn’t mean that your opinion is more relevant than someone else’s. Especially someone who, in the main, agrees with you. Of course all children deserve to be protected. Why do you single out children in Iraq? What about children in Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, India, Palestine, Israel . . . the world? I suspect your objection to Mimi2kool’s post had more to do with the reference to the NRA.

          • nobsartist

            You miss the point. Go back to fox entertainment.

          • metrognome3830

            Your point is very easily missed. Just what is it? It comes off sounding like “if you can’t protect children all over the world you shouldn’t worry about protecting children in our country. And the last thing I would ever listen to, if at all is Fox News. Make your point clearer and maybe people would get it.

      • amazonfan

        Make no mistake, American children are NOT more valuable than non-American children!!!! Absurd. All children need to be protected. God, you are disgusting!!!

        • metrognome3830

          We sent our military to Iraq allegedly to protect the citizens from the country’s leaders. Many of our children and grandchildren died there. If you read the posts you will see that it was ‘ol Nobs that made the statement about our children — in fact he made it more personal — he said “your children are better than everyone else’s.” I find his comment offensive. The discussion was about our children and nobs decided to enlarge it to encompass all children. All’s well to that point. But the Nobs goes on to take offense to something that was never said in the first place. That’s just going out of one’s way to pick a fight.

      • RdSky

        That argument is slightly shortsighted. Anyone with children they wish safety for should be in favor of improved public safety – not gun laws specifically or for their own sake. Let’s look at mental health. Let’s strengthen background checks to include immediate family members at the same address. Let’s look at logistical solutions to providing for background checks for all sales. But let’s not jump straight to banning out of emotion. It’s easy to argue that a right does not extend to specific types of firearms, but it doesn’t matter for millions of Americans who care about their children just as much as you if the Ar-15 is the rifle they want to own – perhaps out of patriotism, perhaps because it was their former service rifle and was much beloved, perhaps because they just want it for fun. It doesn’t change the fact that these are law abiding Americans just like the rest of us, and their rights are not our plaything in a Crusade over tragically dead children. Let’s solve this problem in every way OTHER than the removal of rights before we look to those. Is this not more agreeable to everyone in the end?

    • stcroixcarp

      The same people who are profiting from the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo,Syria, are the same people who are profiting from the gun trade here in the United States. A dead child is a dead child, anywhere in the world. And we as parents grieve with all our being.

  • docb

    The guy is a fake..No dem at all..and a flip flopper!

    • Sand_Cat

      I know little about the man, and do not seek to defend his past record here. All I’d like to say is that “flip-flopper” needs to disappear from our political vocabulary. Someone who changes his mind based on new (to him) facts or evidence is to be lauded, not branded with some demeaning epithet.
      For those who change their opinions to suit the crowd or say one thing to one group and something different to another, we already have several perfectly serviceable words, though virtually no politician has the courage to utter them:” hypocrite” and “liar” are two of the best.

      • docb

        We have have had massacre by War weapons since Columbine… What is this about new information that machin suddenly sees?!

  • Mimi2kool

    About time that someone exercises some common sense in re to guns. I do not understand the gun worship in this country, but it is nice to see that the NRA is losing support.

    • RdSky

      The NRA is losing support of its leaders’ public statements – do not mistake that for loss of power. Millions in this country – around half of it, in fact – do not support further gun laws and will fight them. The NRA is their voice on Capitol Hill, and their voice remains very strong.

      Also, please don’t fall for the “common sense” claptrap of these articles. They are clearly biased and call only opinions in line with theirs “common sense” while anything else is extreme right nonsense, etc. Again, around half this country does not think further gun legislation is the answer. That can’t be extreme, by definition. If you want real solutions you and others should be looking at the options that do not take rights from our fellow Americans first, and only looking to restrict those rights as a last resort. There is MUCH to be done before we get to that point, so there’s no sense accusing your political opponents of aggressive tactics or extremism when it’s their rights, not yours (well, yours as well, but you choose not to use them – your choice and nobody wants to take that from you…) at stake. And don’t bring “kids are dead so those rights must go” into this. That’s a naive argument and unfair to the families who lost loved ones, and the dead themselves. Let’s work together to find solutions.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

    Where is the outrage of you gun-control people from all the deaths caused by Fast & Furious? Where is your outrage over the thousanda of murders & rapes caused by the tremendous amount of Illegal trespassers in this country? Is is an outrage that you use the tragic deaths of innocent children to promote your incorrect views on guns. Liberal policies that allow dangerous sociopaths to roam our streets and removing parental authority is a large cause of the breakup of society. As well as the constant violence allowed by Hollywood by their influence over our government in almost every movie as well as video games. Not to mention taking prayer out of schools and allowing murder of innocent children thru abortion by the millions. Think about it.

    • Sand_Cat

      Where is you brain, bringing up the Bush Administration’s “Fast and Furious.” Most of us opposed virtually everything the Bush criminal oragnization did.

      You’re the one who should be doing some self-examination.

      And the crap about taking religion out of the schools shows how far out of touch with reality you are.

    • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

      Fast & Furious was a failed law enforcement operation. Just like in other law enforcement situations or military operations sometimes they fail. This one failed OK?

      So let it go Joe, your Holy Candidate didn’t get elected so shut up & talk about the issues not your loss of the nut you ran for office.

  • docb

    But he backed away from regulation of War Weapons and multi-round clips with Soledad in her interview..Think this guy is a fake…flake..A DINO!

    Has he forgotten the young girl in Arizona?

  • kokuakaumanua1

    I believe the problem started with the PC. Until then, a person was forced to think in sentences and put it down on paper without the ability to go back and cut and paste whatever has been written.

    The advent of the keyboard has taken away a powerful tool in education, the art of handwriting. Children who are still taught how to write in script are taught to form their letters according to the “Palmer Method’ which was created in the 18oo’s.

    Children need to learn how to write, unless they could text a bank teller to ‘hand over the money’. A PC isn’t going to be able to write ‘Help’ in the sand if they are ever stranded on a desert island.

    There is a new alphabet called the “Vimala Alphabet’ after its’ creator, Vimala Rodgers. Each letter has meaning and the formation of letters in the Vimala Alphabet forms good citizens, of good character, just by writing in script.

    I would like to suggest that every child, when they learn to write in script, at around the age of eight, be given a fountain pen of their very own, and only given because of merit.

    A teacher wouldn’t have to be a graphologist to notice hooks, digs or slashes in a child’s handwriting. All of these signs of anti-social problems, can be addressed while a child is young.

    There would only be about a decade to turn that child around before they are voting age.

  • Progressive Patriot

    Now is the time to move the national conversation about SENSIBLE GUN SAFETY MEASURES forward!

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnny.thomas.52035 Johnny Thomas

    To all of you all calling name’s liberal and democrats and third party you all do a lot of complaining you serve up a fella to run for president that does not even know what real life is and told more lie’s that in one campain that some do most of their lives he show up being better than thow and won’t even show his equal tax report or fly the American flag on his big ole boat during his republican party in Tampa he looks and act’s toward working people as strangers and now when these children are murdered you hollar about your gun rights .What next you can;t except the fact that you lost the election and still say you won when America spoke it spoke you lost shut up and allow those poor people to recover from that non sense slaughter they went through .I am a long time gun owner and quit the NRA because I don’t want to pay for my freedom with money and I never had one thought of worrying about my gun rights and the president has not said one word about taking it away from me .He wants laws to stop idiots from getting them and keep them out of the hands back street out laws since you all won;t do your part but you will fart out of your mouth at the wrong time to show why you never win and how stupid you think Americans are with your way of doing things that only work for the rich and powerful that are looking for ways to not share .A lot of other free nations are laughing at us the way we get involved with other country’s first and leave out own people out to dry not wanting them to have medical or food after the rich and powerful cut them short on work and pay it wasn’t this way until you all were aloud back in and started passing your own laws and paying no attention to the constitution or common goals to us all just you .

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JCDYOUQPDL6RBF2WIQY7IHJ4BM batavier

    I’m sure there are more NRA-members, who have a conscience.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HJIWONQOW4EAYMCA4QH2DDJMBU MARK

    I am a lifelong hunter and I own firearms.I have nothing that will hold more than six rounds.At sixty years old I have held on to my firearms without any help from the NRA.It is past time to permanently ban assault weapons in our country.They are not hunting arms.They are designed for war,combat,and killing.Anyone who claims differently is a liar!

    • RdSky

      Then as another firearms owner being vilified and forced to defend myself in this country, I urge you to protect all our rights as all of us will gladly do for you. No, not to the point of inaction. Just consider and urge Congress towards options short of a ban before going that route. Let’s face it, the AR-15 today is an American symbol as much as the M1 Garand and 1903 Springfield. MANY law abiding Americans wish to and choose to own one or more for that reason alone. They are used for hunting, particularly hogs which can be dangerous and in groups and varmints where the light, flat shooting bullets and fast follow up shots are great. They are also competition guns, and these competitions are the lifeblood of our up and coming generation of firearms owners and enthusiasts. Please consider and respect us as we will for you. I do not agree with the NRA’s stance today any more than many, and I hope they compromise to allow for a more solid background check, perhaps including immediate family at the same address, etc, to help the safety of our country. But it doesn’t change the fact that there are many who would love to simply ban guns. Yes, we both know that will not happen I’m anything but paranoid about it – I’m just a competitive shooter who wants my passion in life to stop being marginalized and possibly criminalized over the actions of a small handgun of very evil, insane men.

  • http://twitter.com/LostAnarchist S-3

    May the NRA continue to lose support – them and their rich-worshipping shit eating BS!

  • Sand_Cat

    Yeah, we get it: you have absolutely no respect for our right not to have your religion rammed down our throats, but of course we’re supposed to treat your right to blow away whoever the hell you feel like in defense of your “rights” as if it was handed to us by god him/herself.

  • Sand_Cat

    @ docb WHEN ARE REPLIES GOING TO START WORKING?
    If you think he’s one, call him a hypocrite or a liar. Don’t pussy-foot around with stupid terms like “flip-flopper.” I said facts or evidence new to him. What difference does it make if the change is sincere?

    If it’s not, then you have at least two perfectly good words that don’t imply honestly changing your mind is somehow evil or dishonest.

  • Sand_Cat

    THIS WAS A REPLY. WHY IS IT HERE?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X2KKGDYW2F5T5XUT6233KBNWSI robert

    It is not personal fire arms that is the problem. It is these military style weapons of mass destruction that is the problem: MP-5, Bushmasters, M-4, Ar-15, AK-47, 20 to 60 round clips, armor/steel piercing, tracer, and hollow point clips and ammunition. Who needs that kind of destructive weaponry and for what reason? The 2nd Amendment gives rights to citizens to bear arms to defend themselves from domestic and foreign invaders. It was framed over two hundred years ago when the Continrntal Army was spread too thin, and allowed citizens, a militia, to defend their country. Who is today’s militia in America? The KKK, Skin Heads, Aryan Nation, Southern Cross, and White Leagues, white supremacist domestic terrorist groups. Is that who is buying up all of these weapons of mass destruction, them and they’re mentallu ill, paranoid sympathizers? Those are the weapons that should be banned and confiscated from the general public. They are military weapons designed for one thing and one thing only: mass murder. Ban them, then pass a law for all personal firearms owners to CONTROL YOUR GUNS. The definition of civilization is being civil. Let’s start there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremiah-Glosenger/100000760442267 Jeremiah Glosenger

    So called “assault” weapons are EXACTLY what the 2nd amendment protects. It says nothing about shooting a deer, but everything about the people having the right to keep and bear militia-style arms. If you think banning these will stop crazed murderers or save lives you are dead wrong. Banning guns doesn’t fix crazy. If you save “just one life” by limiting the firepower of legally accessible weapons 2 things will happen: 1) criminals will utilize the black market for weapons (just like that marijuana stuff that we no longer have in this country thanks to a ban) 2) Citizens who use arms in self-defense to prevent crimes between 107,000 – 2,500,000 times per year will find themselves less able to defend themselves in an attack by a criminal (happens all the time), by foreign invaders (China is looking at our resources and the world isn’t getting bigger), or-God forbid-by our own government taken over by tyrants who shred the Constitution and our rights. The NRA is quickly growing in membership as a result of all this and will continue to flourish because of this. Don’t be fooled by what they tell you on TV.

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