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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

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The Buckeye Firearms Association, an Ohio-based political action committee, has issued a startling statement in the wake of the George Zimmerman trial: “We’re buying ZIMMERMAN a NEW GUN – We need your help.”

The PAC is in fact not just buying Zimmerman a new gun, but asking the public for donations — “$100 … $50 … $25 … even just $10” – to fund the replacement of his “firearm, holster, and other gear.”

The statement even reminds readers that Zimmerman – who stood trial for the fatal shooting of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida – has “no current source of income.”

And last week, conservative author Brad Thor used Twitter to say that he would buy Zimmerman a new gun and “as much ammunition as he wants.”

The offers come after both Thor and the pro-gun group expressed their disagreement with the Department of Justice’s decision to put a hold on all evidence in the case, including the gun that he used to kill Martin, until it can determine whether or not to charge Zimmerman with violating Martin’s civil rights.

The Buckeye Firearms Foundation has now established what it calls the “Zimmerman Second Amendment Fund,” arguing that the fund is “about more than mere principle. …Gun owners must stand together and refuse to allow an injustice like this to go unanswered.”

The article also adds: “Zimmerman and his family now face daily threats on their lives. More than ever, he has a right to defend himself against those who would seek to do him harm.”

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a “Public Ninth Amendment Fund” to protect those of us who have to share the streets with a gun-toting murderer while still being told we have the right to life.

  • Lynda Groom

    Well isn’t that special. Looks like they’ve got a new hero to worship, and an unemployed one at that. I thought the right did not respect those ‘takers?’

    • FredAppell

      I wonder what’s next for poor Georgie? A job at FOX News perhaps or maybe even his own radio show? This is proof that at least a segment of our country
      believes Trayvon Martin was a criminal who deserved to die.

      • angelsinca

        Not sure where you folks got the notion that anyone feels the Martin kid ‘deserved’ to die. OF COURSE he didn’t. Who believes this, really? It must have originated from one of your liberal talking heads like Bill Maher or Rachel Maddow or Chrissy Mathews or the brit Morgan. NO ONE of any consequence on the right has said Martin deserved to die. No one. It must have been fabricated by your own peeps to fuel the hate machine. How gullible you folks are.

        • FredAppell

          I’ll say to you what you said to me last week. Do you know how to discuss without throwing party bias into it? What about playing by your own standard? You read way too much into my comment. I never singled out anyone and I don’t watch any (repeat any) liberal personalities or listen to any on the radio.
          I listen to NPR and they don’t present anything in a slanted manner. They may be left of center but they don’t present the news that way. Those opinions are my own after observing what I have read by a couple of comments made on this topic. It is easy and logical to surmise that given the small community these discussion boards are, a few people actually translates to thousands or millions of people in the real world. I may have spoke in a generality but so what.

          • angelsinca

            Hi Fred. I responded to your comment about Fox and the ‘other segment’ that you claim believes Martin deserves to die. The ‘other segment’ isn’t partisan, not at all..lol

          • FredAppell

            No no, I get what you’re saying but I wasn’t implying FOX thinks martin deserved to die, all I said about FOX was that I wouldn’t be surprised if they hired him. I admit that I was sniping when I made that comment. The “segment” comment was aimed at some of the comments I have seen suggesting that Trayvon was a habitual thug who had it coming and those comments are being propagated by at least some from the right wing. I was very careful and deliberate not to single anyone out. I can understand why you feel that way, I have a history of making inflammatory remarks so it makes all my comments sound bias.
            That’s my fault for not being a better communicator.

            Here is a quick but true story about me. I sympathize with Trayvon because I have been Trayvon. I’m white but I have broken into homes, damaged private property and assaulted
            people. I was not a bad person, I was quite friendly and eager to help people but I also enjoyed raising some hell. I was a good person who did bad things. Most people don’t see a difference but believe me there is a glaring difference. I look forward to our next discussion.

          • angelsinca

            Thanks for the candor Fred. I sympathize with Zimmerman because no one should bear a scarlett letter because opinions want to overide the determinations of the jury. I am regularly accused of being racist and have even been attacked by a black gang, just because I was white at the wrong at the wrong time. I can’t control that bigotry or the lies spewing from a vengeful left. I can only comment, and sometimes it comes across as attack, when it is only a defense. Sure, I lack PC or sympathy because I have lost most patience for the accusatory BS. Thanks again for the honesty and also look forward to another free exchange of opinion. Cheers.

          • bhaggen

            I believe the people you are referring to are called trolls. They make crazy comments just to rile folks up. Much like the media that dispersed lies in the first place when this case broke. For what, ratings?

      • 1Citizen23

        Not a criminal, an assailant. TM attacked someone who decided to defend himself with a gun … and he did. I think the Z man should get a job with the IRS in the non-profit section myself.

        • FredAppell

          O.k., fair enough. There are some that are making Trayvon out to be a criminal. I think both men had a right to defend themselves but my argument has and always will be that George unwittingly set the whole thing in motion that night.

    • lana ward

      Check out, ClashDaily.com, see 20 discusting tweets from Travon Martin. He was a thug

      • DAK27

        And you’re just a small-minded hater. Does that mean someone can shoot you too? TM had NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS and yet died because a private citizen thought he deserved it. Let us hope no one hopes you deserve to pay the ultimate price for your stupidity.

        • GreginPottsville

          How in the world does posting the truth constitute hate? Only a Blind Lib would twist that.

        • Bill Smith

          I don’t think GZ thought TM deserved to die, it probably just seemed like the only option at the time.

        • Partisan Pat

          Punching someone in the face is against the law in Florida.

      • FT66

        Oh! lana ward, where have you been? Hiding like Zimmerman? I do not buy the news I heard yesterday on Fox News that he helped people in accident. That was a white lie. The man can not even open the window where he is hiding, let alone to get out of the car and extend a hand of help! He doesn’t trust anyone even those who are supporting him like you do.

        • jovanna48

          The SUV rescue story might be just that, a ‘story;’ so where is the “evidence?” If it involved GZ, it would be all over the news, 24/7. Didn’t see anything on the news about their side of the story, did they appear only on FOX news? Where are these “rescued” people?–or are we to take, once again, George’s own version of what happened bc we all know how George, our country’s new Superman, never would embellish a story. How conveeeeeenient!

        • lana ward

          I’ve been on sites where people have common sense. Here they have none. Zimmerman now more than ever needs a gun for protection from thugs

      • Shirley Pankey

        lana go check out your kids tweets, if you got any, God forbid, you don’t

        • GreginPottsville

          Tyical liberal response, wishing someone has no children. Perhaps you would be happy if she just killed them thru abortion?

          • Russell Byrd

            Typical Pottyhead lie. Nothing in that post about your off-topic gibe about abortions. No one was threatened either. Of course, none of us want to meet up with any of lana’s little critters.

        • lana ward

          Martin was the head of a fight gang, a burglar, and a drug addict. His skittles and watermelon tea were used in a concoction to make drugs. He was a thug

      • GreginPottsville

        Shhhhh…. the Blind Libs don’t want the truth. It might shatter their ego, views and agenda.

      • Lovefacts

        The last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech. Disgusting or not, Lana, that isn’t the issue and, last I looked, being a smart-mouthed 17 year old isn’t a crime. TM’s only crime was walking while black, wearing a hoodie on a rainy night.

        I know I’m wasting my time writing this, but really, Lana, if you want anyone to give credence to what you write, stop with the knee-jerk hate. Stop always attacking. Stop using incorrect information. It’s gotten old. By the way, it’s disGusting, not discusting.

        • GreginPottsville

          I agree. I can’t understand all the hate the liberals have for George Zimmerman. I mean 2 teens (who happened to be black) killed a 13 month old baby (who happened to be white) in Georgia back in May, supposedly “for the fun of it”. That is the kind of hate we should not tolerate!

          • Russell Byrd

            Which Sh*tPott, has absolutely nothing to do either with this article or the Zimmerman-Martin incident. I can just as easily say that in Texas some years back, some of your cracker friends, dragged a black man to death. They did, but what is the connection.

            As your first post on this blog demonstrated, you are just here to disrupt. You have no coherent thoughts, or comments, on this matter at all.

          • GreginPottsville

            Well, mine is the truth, and yours is a lie. That is the difference. I have no “cracker” friends who dragged anyone to death. So there is the lie. Two black teens killed a white baby “for the fun of it.” That is a fact.

          • Russell Byrd

            Then you are a liar out of your own mouth. How do the two black teens relate to Zimmerman? The truth is, THEY DON’T. Why did you bring it up? Because you are a racist bent on disrupting and spinning lies.

          • GreginPottsville

            Actually, the point is, you are the racist and I am not. I don’t try to inject race where it clearly doesn’t play any part, like you. Too bad you are too racist to see.

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, you are a racist. You bring up off-topic subjects that are used to support racial theories of guilt.

            Key words you continue to ignore: OFF TOPIC.

            You bring up a totally unrelated event to demonstrate the guilt of other black individuals. As it does not relate, only a RACIST would do so.

            I realize you are only a troll thinking you are having fun by disrupting the protected rights other people to free speech. What I cannot understand is why anyone with a normal mentality thinks this is fun. Even you have to be smarter than to believe your own crap. Or are you?

          • Lovefacts

            You missed my point. You response reads like look here, see what two black teens did to a poor white baby. I don’t care about either the race of the victim or perpetrator. My reaction to the GZ/TM issue would have been the same if they’d both been black or both white.

            Violence is violence, fear is fear, hate is hate regardless of race. IMO, the type of violence you described and that of GZ’s stalking TM should not be acceptable by anyone in a civilized society.

          • angelsinca

            You folks ought to let go of the ‘stalking’ term. As the neighborhood watch volunteer, he was obliged to WATCH the neighborhhod. Don’t you have volunteers in your neighborhood or look out for your neighbors?

          • Lovefacts

            Yes, we have Neighborhood Watch and I’m a member. However, if the 911 operator suggested I stay in my house or car, I would do so and not trail the individual. I would also never be armed while performing my duties. That’s a violation of the Neighborhood Watch By-laws/Rules. Oh, I live in Virginia and am very familiar with the problems of crime, especially break-ins. And while we have several weapons in the house, including a 9mm Glock, I wouldn’t have it on me while performing my Neighborhood Watch duties .

            Angel, prior to Stand Your Ground, it was illegal to “Up the Fray,” which means, for example, you can’t bring a gun to a fistfight. This law voids that centuries-held rule of law and also nullifies the need to talk, back down, or run away. Had it not been for this law TM would still be alive and GZ wouldn’t have stood trial.

          • angelsinca

            Zimmerman couldn’t have known that the perp in his neighborhood wasn’t armed. This is FL, not VA. Stand Your Ground had no bearing on the verdict of this trial.

          • Lovefacts

            That you called him a perp shows your thinking and biases. IMO, it does no good talking to someone who won’t consider ALL the facts. Your response neatly ignored the fact that the 911 operator requested–not ordered–GZ to stay in his car and not follow TM because the police were on their way. As I said, had GZ followed the 911 operator’s request TM would be alive today and GZ’s life wouldn’t have been ruined.

          • angelsinca

            You missed the part about the police tasking 15-20 minutes to respond to a nother recent call to 911 regarding neighborhood break-ins. Ignoring the background of Martin shows your bias.

          • Ignoring someone`s background ? Shortly, GZ won`t be concerned with another`s backround. His thoughts might be along the lines of “why do they always say it gets dark, prior to the lights being off permanently” ? Its a shame he`ll never be able to figure this out by himself.

          • angelsinca

            What is this supposed to mean? Sounds like a death threat. That settles the debate (sigh).

          • ray brown

            if SYG was not a part of this proceeding then why was the contents there of given to the jury during the instructions.

          • DEFENDER88

            Some things for you to consider.
            – One of the 911 operators asked GZ “where did he go” or “where is he” anyway a question that GZ interpreted as him needing to ascertain where TM was or had gone to.(that is one of the things the juror said why GZ thought he needed to leave his car) but even then (according to testimony and evidence) he did not try to track TM down. He actually went in the opposite direction of the last sighting of TM to find a street sign location.
            – GZ was in poor condition and could not fight(according to his trainer testimony), probably why he felt the need to carry a gun.
            – According to all the evidence and testimony TM actually approached GZ (from a dark area) and promptly sucker punched him.
            – About thieves in general:
            Not saying TM was a thief but Thieves(In general)(people who do break-ins)(which had been numerous there) are *predators* and usually run in pairs. And usually cannot be reasoned with. Especially those on drugs. they will kill you for $1 or no reason. Perhaps another percieved need for GZ to have a gun.
            – If I had been sucker punched then had my head pounded on concrete I would be in fear of dying and also wondering if he(the perp) had a partner coming to help.
            I applaud your community involvment but fear for your safety.
            One thing *I* have taken from this is NEVER volunteer for community watch, especially if I am not allowed to defend myself. As this case shows. GZ(even tho found not guilty) will likely be killed (by the Black community) for revenge in the near future.
            Since I am too old to run now, and dont want to be treated like GZ – I now Defend ONLY My Home with arms(that I am highly trained with) and noone else.

          • ray brown

            george said “they aIways get away” he got his taiI out of the car to foIIow TM to make sure he did not get away. sounds Iike foIIowing to me. he said he got out to see the street name. which is a Iie!!! there are onIy three streets and he is the neighborhood watch captain. you think he didn’t know the street names. PIease!

          • bhaggen

            Are you contending that a person is not allowed to defend him/herself with a gun if the assailant is unarmed, in California? It would be illegal for you to use your Glock against an assailant who was forcibly sodomizing you, because it would be illegal for you to “Up the Fray”? Are you sure about that?

          • FredAppell

            Lol. The neighborhood I grew up in had neighborhood watch signs posted all over the place, too bad all the neighbors hated each other and reveled in making each other miserable.

          • ArmySoldier

            Yes..they do “Watch”, but they don’t follow!! If you read the instructions that they posted as evidence, it stated to call the police on suspicious activity. How suspicious was it for TraYvon to be walking to back home?

          • angelsinca

            Apparently Martin was suspicious enough to cause concern. There had been several burglaries in the neighborhood recently. Was Martin one of the three suspected burglars?

          • Bill Smith

            “Stalking” is part of being on guard duty. Beating somebody up seems more inappropriate to me, and in this case, it resulted in an unfortunate death. I hope nobody is glad that this kid is dead, but he made a seriously bad choice by assaulting somebody. He didn’t need to do that.

          • Good comment, however you left out an important detail……….the serious mistake was made, but GZ made it. His parents will feel just what Trayvon`s parents feel now very soon. This is gonna get worse prior to it getting better. By the way, CA got off to,wonder how that is working out for her?

          • Peoples425

            Umm….. that’d be a no. The story you’re referring to is actually about a mother who alleged two teenage boys were attempting to rob her and she claimed that they shot her child and her in the leg. What makes this interesting is that the story turned out to be false and even the grown daughter of this woman suspected that she was lying about the situation. So… yeah, seems like a lot of that “let’s blame the Black teenagers” disease is spreading.

          • GreginPottsville

            Then why is there a trial scheduled next month?

          • GreginPottsville

            Maybe you should let the prosecutors know because they are going ahead with the trial of De’Marquise Elkins. Dominque Lang’s will start later. Since you have all this information, why is there a trial of these poor, innocent black people?

          • Russell Byrd

            Which of course has nothing to do with Zimmerman, nor does it prove that you are not a racist.

          • GreginPottsville

            You sure have proven your racism.

          • Russell Byrd

            You are in fact the racist. The proof is all on my side. For you to merely say that is the best reason that it is not true. You are just a small butt sniffer.

            As to your earlier gibe about the name calling liberals do, I will point out the language you used the other day was absolutely disgusting to just about anyone. So go sh*t and fall back in it. HYPOCRITE!

          • GreginPottsville

            You are one angry white potty mouth racist.

          • Russell Byrd

            The fact that I support being fair to minorities racist? I rather think not.

            You twist stories into lies that have absolutely no relationship to the topics under discussion. You are only here to disrupt. You are the epitome of “troll.”

            You are one angry white LYING potty mouth racist HYPOCRITE.

          • GreginPottsville

            The FACT that you don’t treat people equally across races. You feel those who are not your race can’t possibly make it without extra help. So, in other words, you treat races other than yours like children, who need YOUR help to get by because you are superior, which is racist Russell! Liberals can’t understand how treating people based on their character rather than skin color is the opposite of racist. That is how I roll man. Equal opportunity for all. No favorites.

          • Russell Byrd

            You just can’t quit, can you? You just proved you are a racist. I have repeatedly pointed out that when people have no where else to turn to, then there should be someone there to provide at least minimal help. I have never mentioned RACE in connection to anything. I speak only of right and wrong, fair and unfair. I have told you repeatedly that I only bully the bulliles. YOU ARE ONE OF THE BULLIES. I have no feelings of superiority.

            Your equal opportunity for all means those that are doing poorly can just starve. YOU PROVED YOU ARE A RACIST, AGAIN. Equal opportunity? YOU ARE A JOKE. You work like a maggot to destroy opportunity. How do you roll? Like a SELF-RIGHTEOUS BULLY.

          • GreginPottsville

            I hope you didn’t pop a vein in your neck when you typed that.

            I never said anywhere, anytime that when people have nowhere else to turn the they should NOT be provided at least minimal help. So I have no idea why you put that in there. I am all for a minimal safety net. It should be a stepping stone, not a way of life, unless you are disabled in some way that prevents you from working.

            I do know when a liberal is about to pop a vein in their neck because of losing the debate, they throw out baseless “racist” charges, mostly to cover up their own racism.

            You might be surprised to know my wife is a woman of color. She finds people like you repulsive.

            Do you know one person in the US “starving”?

            You don’t believe in equal anything. You just proved it you racist nut.

          • Russell Byrd

            The fact that on one in the US is starving is only do to Liberal programs successfully at work. In other words, no thanks to you and your mob. The fact of what “IS,” is in spite of your desires, not because of them. Another case of you and your magic wand.

            You lost everyone of the debates you have ever been in. If YOU were not always about to “pop a vein,” you would have gone away long ago. But you have to beat a totally losing point to death until you get satisfaction. That is exactly why you follow me around so close. Besides your unnatural attraction to me, I will not give you want you desire more than life itself. That is to bully until everyone gives in. You picked on the wrong guy.

            Your minimal help is the same as your improvements to Universal Healthcare. NONE. You have done nothing but berate the poor as lazy and unworthy. You have never mentioned your “open-minded” views, except when you are trying to sneak your hateful views back into the conversation.

            Don’t you get it. The more you do all this lying the worse it will be for your mob. Americans are fed up with your sh*t. You have been running the same scam for thirty years. We are tired of it. Many people have wised up and many of us have gained the resolve to stand up to you bullying teapublitards.

          • Russell Byrd

            You are a breathtaking SOB liar. I will not waste my time quoting your innumerable posts that prove this.

            As to your wife, your right. How will we ever know that you are telling the truth. When every word that comes out of your mouth is either disruptive or a bold face lie, or both, why should we believe you. More importantly, being married to a “woman of color,” does not mean you are not racist. Some of the worst racists I know have “colored” friends. They just hate certain people as a group.

            As well, what “color” are you talking about. Maybe, you like Thais, but hate all Hispanics and Africans?

            One important question. ARE YOU REALLY tax payer? He is another disgusting racist that made very nearly the same claim. Sounds too convenient to be two of you here at once. I think you slipped up and accidentally told the truth, for once. Just once!

            You brought up another off-topic discussion, just like you did the previous one. You never stay on-topic and you get worse when your butt is getting kicked. That is the problem of your arrogance. You think you control us. You don’t and won’t, sorry.

          • Russell Byrd

            Think about all your off-topic ravings. You are trying to make Martin appear as a criminal to justify Zimmerman’s killing him. You have portrayed him as a black teenage thug. Do NOT
            DENY!

            Then you repeatedly post about the two black teenagers in Georgia that killed a white baby. Why? Because you are portraying blacks as the ones that are racist. Of course, there is racism amongst all people to some degree. However, this was just an insane teenage robbery. As well, if any individual is a racist does not give a rationale for someone else, that would be you, to also be racist.

            Then, idiotically, you are trying to extend your first lie about black racism onto Martin. I mean, no one is so stupid as to believe you were not. How many times did you post that nonsense? You run this crap into the ground. Now you want to spin your OWN LIES.

          • Russell Byrd

            Dear Sh*tPott, at the end of the day, you will still be a liar, bully, disruptor, troll [etc.], and a RACIST. Nothing you can possibly write will change the truth of the situation, until you change yourself. No one but your perverted “friends” agrees with anything that you write, but if you like, read below.

          • GreginPottsville

            Well Russell, my wife isn’t white. I don’t have any “perverted” friends, but there are plenty of perverted liberals here, judging from all the unsolicited comments about my sexual organs for no other reason than their intolerance of another view.

          • ArmySoldier

            We also shouldn’t tolerate the white older man who killed the African American Teenager because of the music playing in the car. We also shouldn’t tolerate the other older white man who killed a kid right in front of his mom..on his front porch because he “thought” that the kid stole something from his home…IJS

          • ray brown

            it is not toIerated they have been arrested and they wiII never see the Iight of day. death wouId be too good for them and for those that are upset that they are not asking for the death penaIty. you can reat assure they wiII soon wish they were dead because prison is no cake waIk for peopIe Iike that. trust it wiII be heII on earth

        • lana ward

          If Martin had kept heading home after Zimmerman lost track of him, he would still be alive. Instead he had to sneak attack Zimmerman, hit him in the nose, then when he fell, stunned, Martin bashed his head into the sidewalk. Martin was a thug, he was head of a fight gang, a burglar and a drug addict. His skittles and watermelon tea were used in a concoction to make drugs. Zimmerman now more than ever, needs a gun for protection from thugs!!!

          • Lovefacts

            Grow-up, Lana. Nothing you mentioned was in the trial. That’s garbage, and if it were true GZ’s lawyers would have used it. I suggest you stop getting your news only from Fox or right-wing blogs. Broaden your information base. And before you attack me about where I get my news let me tell you: Wall St. Journal, Washington Post, Network News, Time Magazine, Newsweek–on line, The Economist, and BBC America. You’ll note that not one of these is a blog nor does it lean exclusively toward one political party.

            And then there’s National Memo, which until recently was where I could express my opinion and carry on an intelligent dialogue–usually– with fellow political aficionados. I said usually because I’m getting tired of these comments re TM that are baseless and meant only to denigrate TM and provide GZ justification for killing a young man just because GZ was losing a fistfight.

          • lana ward

            You grow up, non-facts. Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY for defending himself. The prosecutor has been indited for falsifying the arrest warrant

          • ArmySoldier

            Now this just sounds plain STUPID.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SMH

          • lana ward

            That’s what happened, STUPID, he was found NOT GUILTY!!!! The prosecutor has been indited for falsifying the arrest warrant for George Zimmerman

      • Justin Napolitano

        If people were shot for posting stupid remarks Lana would look like Swiss cheese.

        • lana ward

          Zimmerman, now more than ever needs a gun to protect himself from thugs!!

  • Abel Undercity

    This requires a donation campaign? What are they planning to buy him, a howitzer?

    • Dominick Vila

      Judging by recent events the goal must be to turn him into a modern-day Super Hero, and help him write a book with movie rights. Who knows, he may turn out to be the Ted Cruz of the next decade.

      • DEFENDER88

        Dominick
        The facts of the case showed that TM is dead because he attacked GZ(broke his nose) and tried to kill him(pounding his head on concrete).
        And that is why the jury found GZ justified in shooting TM and thus not guilty.
        Also testimony of GZ trainer said he was in poor condition and not even capable of an average *punch*. Just facts and testimony, not my opinion.
        ps I am not *defending* anyone, just stating the facts.
        My opinion? I think we should consider what would enrage a young black teen to do this? It seems to be happening a lot in our cities with hundreds of black teens killing each other just in Chicago. I can think of a lot of reasons for them to be upset, depressed and mad but not sure I understand this level of rage. But then again I am not black so I really cant relate, nor fully understand their experiences/difficulties.
        I think we should consider these issues instead of trying to start a Race war like some in here and on the street seem to want.

        • 1Citizen23

          Very intelligent comment. The problem is our society does not permit discussion of the obvious because it will be classified as a racist act. Such an open discussion would be attacked by the same pro TM attack groups who ignore the facts of the case. So, ignorance and stupidity run the day. This community just has a major problem owning up to its own issues and self-created illusions of victimization … they have the same problem in Africa, but, it is not appropriate to point out the obvious.

          • GZ is a racist, and your probably in the same class with him , and his family. The real problem is “what`s gonna happen to him after he`s caught” ? I`m told everyone he knows is in some kind of “pickle”. Sounds to me he`s a major problem “brewing”, and he doesn’t even know it. Like the man said…..”Just the facts” !

          • bhaggen

            Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Sir Charles Barkley, among others think much the same as “1Citizen23” does. Are they also racists even though they’re black? Of course they are capable of critical thinking……unlike you.

        • ray brown

          defender88 GZ wasn’t in poor condition when he was fighting the poIice officer nor was he in bad shape when he got into a domestic dispute with his ex-wife. It’s reaIIy funny how the past of TM came into pIay but GZ’s past didn’t matter. It’s not about race it’s about a dead unarmed teen that was shot and kiIIed by a staIker as he stood his ground. why did TM not have the right to stand his ground. GZ shot him in the heart. that showed iII wiII. the poIice academy teaches the officers to shoot to kiII. just as Z did. he siIenced the onIy other witness. and the rest of us are supposed to beIieve what he says. the prosecutor onIy tried the case because the worId was watching. they put on a defence. they went through the motions fron jury seIection to the jury instructions it was just a freak show.

          • DEFENDER88

            One has to assume you either did not see the trial or you have some dogma agenda you are pushing no matter what – against all the facts, testimony and evidence
            Which is it?
            Or are you just warped beyond all reason?
            The Police testified to it, the local DA believed it, and the JURY believed it and decided TM attacked GZ and tried to kill him. (As all the facts, testimony, and evidence showed).
            Are you just ignorant or pushing some agenda that did not work out?
            In case you did not see it, there was a trial where all the evidence, testimony, and facts were well argued and contested by the justice system. Those facts I quoted resulted in GZ being found Not Guilty by reason of JUSTIFIABLE Self Defense. What part of that is it that you dont understand?
            THEREFORE IT *HAS* BEEN *PROVED* IN COURT
            If you dont like our system of justice maybe you should move to a country where there is one you like.
            If you are pushing an agenda what is it ?
            A White/Cuban(or actually – no one) should be allowed to defend them self if attacked and threatened with harm even death by Black Teens?
            – Race War?
            – Divide the Races?

            Are you just ignorant of the facts or pushing some Black/White or anti-gun or anti- self defense agenda?
            Or just warped beyond all reason?

          • bhaggen

            What evidence do you have that GZ was fighting the police officer? The rest of us are NOT expected to believe what GZ says. That’s probably why he didn’t testify; we wouldn’t take his word or Martin’s anyway. That’s why we have the evidence & witnesses.

    • Shirley Pankey

      Abel Undercity, they want you to feed him too and pay for his trip that he planned that got foiled and of course housing and his suits including his superman suit.

    • Lovefacts

      Nah, probably a RPG or SAM. Can’t trust that a 9mm will do sufficient damage.

    • Macman1138

      Yeah, really. You’d think between them they’d be able to afford a nice Glock with a couple of high capacity magazines; a shoulder holster would be an added bonus.

  • Rhonda Lowenstein

    These people should be ashamed of themselves. While they are one of the states who seriously restricts a woman’s right to an abortion because to them it’s “murder” they will stand behind the murderer of a 17 year old kid and buy him another gun?? They are complete lunatics. I hope he does get a gun; I hope he follows another kid; and that kid shoots HIM by standing his ground! Then this Ohio group can sit back and pat themselves on the back.

    • Shirley Pankey

      you too Rhonda. he going to do something stupid again. like I said before, if he had of followed my kid, he would have been eating that gun.

      • GreginPottsville

        Do you feed your kid guns regularly?

      • bhaggen

        So you too would assault someone for following you? That’s the attitude that got the kid killed. Thanks for clearing that up. I taught my kid better.

        • Rhonda Lowenstein

          Trayvon didn’t have the right to defend himself by Zimmerman DID?? What kind of bullshit double standard is THAT??

          • bhaggen

            ????….No double standard whatsoever. If Zimmerman had physically assaulted Martin, then absolutely, he would have had the right to defend himself, no question. But no one, not you or I, have the right to physically assault someone because they’re being followed. The exception? If they follow you, uninvited, into your home. At that point the “Castle Law” takes effect. Martin’s best defense would have been to go home & call the police. Instead, it appears, Martin followed Zimmerman on his way back to the car & put some “woop-ass” on the “creepy-ass-cracker” and continue his “ground & pound” even after Zimmerman went down. Bad idea.

          • Rhonda Lowenstein

            If you had kids, you would know how scary this is. that your CHILD can be FOLLOWED and confronted; unarmed and walking home and the person gets away with murder. Zimmerman was the adult in this situation and should have acted like it! I don’t expect a 17 year to act mature 24/7, but I DO expect a gun carrying ADULT to be responsible and NOT act reckless. Zimmerman didn’t even disclose WHO he WAS and that he was with neighborhood watch. My 16 year daughter and 18 year old son would have been creeped out also, and RIGHTFULLY SO. Zimmerman needs to take some responsibility for why this happened instead of playing the victim and blaming the kid he killed. And his supporters need to stop making the problem WORSE by defending a man with a gun who used poor judgement. It isn’t helping your cause. Sometimes being a responsible gun owner means staying in your truck and letting those who actually ARE cops, do their job if need be.

          • bhaggen

            It’s a big scary world out there Rhonda! And it’s our job to make sure our kids understand how to conduct themselves in that world not the “Alice in Wonderland” world you wish it was. My son & I were watching the same game Martin was only we had food & drinks in the fridge. I wasn’t about to have my 17yr old “child” walk after dark, in the rain, to the 7-11, so we went to Trader Joe’s earlier. My son has a phone and if ANY shit goes down he’s to call me, Mom, Grandpa, or the police, NOT some stupid bitch! He’s been taught to avoid confrontations as discretion is the better part of valor & it never ends good. Don’t play grab-ass with a woman unless you’re SURE it’s invited cause otherwise it’s assault. Don’t wear your cap backwards, the cops are more likely to mess with you. Your son can follow mine all he wants but if he follows him through my front door, you’ll be visiting him at the morgue! If you have evidence the Martin case was murder you should’ve testified so at the trial! Instead of going home, Martin decided to confront & assault the “boogie man” & got his self killed. Both used poor judgment but the evidence showed Zimmerman acted in self defense. So your 18yr old son is afraid of the boogie man? What a candy-ass. YOUR fault Mommy! Where’s his dad? Used some poor judgment did ya? You make a good case for abortion. The real problem is violence amongst teens, black & white, NOT adults defending themselves against such, so it is in fact people that feel the need to defend a 17yr old thug with drug ties that are making the problem worse. How about that 88yr old man beat to death in Spokane by teens or the teen that shot a baby in the face in Georgia? If those victims had been armed, would they now also be accused of murder? If Zimmerman had murder on his mind, he shouldn’t have called the police.

          • Rhonda Lowenstein

            I take SERIOUS offense to the fact that you have placed NO BLAME on Zimmerman WHATSOEVER! He shouldn’t have followed Trayvon in the first place! He shouldn’t have brought his gun to a fist fight and he should have let the police handle things! Sometimes being a responsible gun owner means staying in YOUR TRUCK and not going around bullying people and looking for trouble. Zimmerman IS a bully; we KNOW that from his most recent shenanigans with his wife, who has filed for divorce! I teach MY children about “stranger danger” I teach them to pay attention and if someone who they don’t know follows them home to either run, or call the police themselves! I will of course be telling my children all of the following also: DO NOT WEAR A HOODIE in the rain. You will likely get killed by a gun loving nut who thinks you are up to no good. DO NOT WALK HOME ALONE BY YOURSELF. You will likely be followed and shot. And if you CHOOSE to own a gun, BE RESPONSIBLE WITH IT. DO NOT STALK AND FOLLOW PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GUN AND BECAUSE THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS NEVER. You teach your son to be responsible with guns and NOT be a trigger happy vigilante and I will teach MY SON what I SEE FIT!

    • angelsinca

      You are expecting (and seemingly hoping) to see Zimmerrnan shoot and kill another person, just to prove your belief about him. Yes, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      • ray brown

        he is wreckIess and irresponsibIe and he got away with beating his wife, assuIting an officer, resisting arrest and now he has a murder to add to his Iist. i’m sure shirIey does not want any one eIse to die but he has poor judgement and if he couId not wait to use his gun bad enough to kiII a kid he wiII do it or something just as stupid again

      • Rhonda Lowenstein

        You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a murderer of an unarmed teenager. I don’t have to HOPE for him to do it again. HE WILL DO IT AGAIN! It’s only a matter of time, and maybe next time he will kill the wrong person! SHAME on YOU for supporting such trash!

    • The last part of your statement might be more accurate than you know !

  • GreginPottsville

    Amazing. News out he helps an overturned vehicle a few days ago, nothing here about it.

    • DAK27

      Perhaps because that was a set-up? Out of ALL the people who just happened to be there, Zimmerman was? Give me a break. IMO it was a made-for-the-media event and totally staged.

      • GreginPottsville

        What amazes me is it took so long for the intolerant left to come up with a conspiracy of a set up. Look at the photos above. Why didn’t they post the photo of Trevon with a gun? Or the photo of Trevon smoking weed. No wonder you are brainwashed. I laughed so much when I read your post. We were talking yesterday about which crazy lib would be the first one to say it was a set-up. You win in my case! Congrats Blind Lib!

        • Shirley Pankey

          why didn’t they call his cousin he molested as a witness and the real police officer he assaulted? pottsville

          • GreginPottsville

            You win 3rd prize! Congrats Blind Lib!
            Hey, wondering how badly you feel for the family whose 13 month old white baby was killed by 2 black teens in Georgia a few months back, claiming they killed the baby “for the fun of it”? How many comments have you posted condemning those teens?

          • Russell Byrd

            Has no relevance to either the facts of the matter or the topic under discussion. Trayvon did not shoot a baby.

          • GreginPottsville

            And Zimmerman didn’t shoot a 12 year old (as in the photo above). So you make no point, once again.

          • Russell Byrd

            But he did shoot the kid in the photo. So a point, that I was not trying to make, was made for me by you. Once again, how is anything you have said of relevance to Martin, Zimmerman, or the trial? I will go ahead and answer as you do not have the sense or the integrity to give an honest and direct response. NOTHING!

        • A_Schick

          who the fuck is Trevon?

        • Russell Byrd

          It took so long for us to come up with a conspiracy theory because we don’t listen to tin hat noise, er news.

          And Trayvon with weed or a gun, has no relevance to anything. He did not have either when he was killed.

          • GreginPottsville

            And he wasn’t 12 years old either (picture above) when he was doin his “whoop ass”. So what is your point?

          • Russell Byrd

            My point is exactly as I said before. Doing an Hannity and claiming you cannot understand is dishonest, cowardly, and rather stupid. But of course, I am dealing with Sh*tPott. So no surprise.

    • FT66

      Do you buy it? Where is the proof? News like this are always accompanied by a photo. Do you think those policemen who came to the scene were missing cameras. How can they take pictures of the accident and come up with only words that Zimmerman was there as well? Fabricated news in my view.

      • GreginPottsville

        Please see my reply to DAK27 below. You win second prize!. Congrats Blind Lib!

        • FT66

          You can call us whatever names you want that will not change the facts that Zimmerman is the MURDERER. He killed the teenager thats why he was taken to court. He will live with this burden for the rest of his life. Blood on his hands and he smells it every second,every minute, every hour, and every day.

          • GreginPottsville

            I can give you a consolation prize for Blind Lib, but you already earned 2nd, so you are not eligible.
            You surely are distraught over those 2 black teens from Georgia, who killed a white baby of 13 months “for the fun of it”. I am sure you condemned that daily for months now, right?

          • FT66

            NO, not right. I never heard of what you are talking about now. What I know is the KILLER Zimmerman, where I watched the trial from the beginning to the end. You can come with different stories from different corners of the nation BUT and only BUT, the only story which captured the attention of the whole nation and as far as the whole world, it was about the once again, KILLER Zimmerman. Mind you am not black. Am white as you are, BUT am not racist as you are.

          • GreginPottsville

            And I am a racist because??????
            I cannot hand you out another prize for Blind Lib because they are all out for today. Did you ever think that the reason you never heard about the case in Georgia of the 2 black teens killing a 13 month old white baby a few months ago is because liberal websites intentionally ignore these stories? Your world is distorted. You are getting fed only what you ask to get fed. You are the racist because you refuse to open your eyes.

          • Russell Byrd

            Because the case of the two teens has nothing to do with the Martin-Zimmerman case.

            So you are not a racist because two teens committed a horrible act. Sociopaths are usually reasonably smart. I guess you are an exception.

          • BillP

            FT66 don’t waste your time or energy replying to greg. He is another of the righ wing trolls that hang out on this website to post ridiculous comments. I have stopped responding to Obozo, Lana or greg.

          • GreginPottsville

            Because you want to ignore reality. And that is fine. Ignorance is bliss.

          • Russell Byrd

            You are a happy racist, then. You are about as ignorant as they come.

          • angelsinca

            According to the polls, about 82% percent of the public have accepted the verdict. The FBI found NO grounds to support the racist claims. For your own mental health, get over it.

          • Russell Byrd

            So if two black teen in Georgia kill, then Zimmerman is innocent and gets a free ticket to kill again? Hmm? I don’t think stupidity like yours even needs to be called out.

          • GreginPottsville

            There was no trial there as yet. You are following it, right? It is a racial crime, right up your alley (except the colors are opposite).

          • Russell Byrd

            You made less sense this time than you did before. What are you even trying to say and what is your point? Oh, I know . . . none. You are just here to disrupt.

          • Jim Myers

            Unfortunately, the right wingers will praise him so much, he will eventually convince himself that he was in fact the victim.

            Then, he will not have to deal with any guilty consequences.

          • DEFENDER88

            I used to think you were a reasonable guy, now I am beginning to wonder.
            No *praise* here for anyone except for maybe the judge and jury efforts and time.
            What part about Not Guilty is it you dont understand?
            I will try to explain it to you:
            Not guilty says GZ was justified in shooting TM.
            However – There were *in fact*, 2 VICTIMS
            1 – GZ when TM attacked and tried to kill him
            2 – TM when GZ shot him in self defense
            Those are facts – not opinion.
            Or do you think you know more and are smarter than the judge and jury?
            For your own mental health, you need to accept it and get over it.
            Or are you just so warped by your ideology that you will not accept the truth and facts? and the jury decision?
            Or will you only be satisfied when someone(like you) kills GZ in revenge, as I am sure they will?

          • melvia Jackson

            None of the so called facts that you harp on are unproved, they are assumptions made by the lawyers for Z so stop saying things that have not been provened. who got on the stand and said he/she saw attack Zimmermen? No one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • DEFENDER88

            I have to assume you either did not see the trial or you have some dogma agenda you are pushing no matter what – against all the facts, testimony and evidence
            Which is it?
            Or are you just warped beyond all reason?
            The Police testified to it, the local DA believed it, and the JURY believed it and decided TM attacked GZ and tried to kill him. (As all the facts, testimony, and evidence showed).
            Are you just ignorant or pushing some agenda that did not work out?
            In case you did not see it, there was a trial where all the evidence, testimony, and facts were well argued and contested by the justice system. Those facts I quoted resulted in GZ being found Not Guilty by reason of JUSTIFIABLE Self Defense. What part of that is it that you dont understand?
            THEREFORE IT *HAS* BEEN *PROVED* IN COURT
            If you dont like our system of justice maybe you should move to a country where there is one you like.
            If you are pushing an agenda what is it ?
            A White/Cuban(or actually – no one) should be allowed to defend them self if attacked and threatened with harm even death by Black Teens?
            – Race War?
            – Divide the Races?

            Are you just ignorant of the facts or pushing some Black/White or anti-gun or anti- self defense agenda?
            Or just warped beyond all reason?

        • Russell Byrd

          The collection of raw sewage is not considered a prize by normal people.

  • Dominick Vila

    Can’t say I am surprised. The support given to a man who shot and killed a teenager is influenced, at least in part, on the right to take the law into our hands, and use lethal force whenever we deem necessary. Considering that these are the same people who cheered when the expansion of former President Reagan’s gun control legislation to include gun sales via the Internet and at gun shows did not materialize, statements like this are to be expected. In fact, what would be surprising is if calls for violent “solutions” were not the norm.

    • angelsinca

      The jury acquiitted Zimmerman based on evidence. Public opinion wants to persecute him based on emotion. I find it extremely difficult to separate this mentality toward killing from the seemingly acceptable practice of abortion. Nearly one million permanently silenced voices by choice VS. one deadly struggle over a gun. Very difficult.

      • Dominick Vila

        Bear in mind that only support abortion when the life of the mother is at stake and in other very extreme circumstances. I, however, accept and respect the right of the majority to decide. Along the same lines, I also oppose the death penalty, and the only war I consider justifiable is in cases of self-defense. That is precisely one of the reasons I find the killing of a 17-year old kid at the hands of an adult armed with a deadly weapon so offensive.

  • MollyBee64

    OMG! Sick and evil!

    • GreginPottsville

      I agree, reading these comments from liberals, very sick, violent and intolerant are most of these commenters.

  • FT66

    They can buy him as many guns as they wish too. BUT where will he use them? Soon or later Zimmerman will be behind the bars. Its matter of time.

    • GreginPottsville

      He just got done rescuing someone from an overturned vehicle. I guess he really is on his way to jail.

      • FT66

        Killing and rescuing at the same time? He can not belong on both categories. One is true (killing) as there is evidence the other one is just
        only words and no proof. Remember, he has been acquitted by the
        so-called evidence. Where are evidences on rescuing?

    • stcroixcarp

      This young man’s life is changed forever. When the media frenzy dies down, he will have trouble finding a job. What respectable company wants the possibility of negative publicity? Slowly the pro-gun and racist groups will lose interest in him and stop supporting him with money and guns. People will forever view him as either a superhero or a murderer. My hope for poor Zimmerman is that he will slip into obscurity like Joe the Plumber and live an unremarkable and non-violent life.

      • Shirley Pankey

        I doubt if he lives a non-violent life. his life has always been violent and it culminated into the ultimate violence, someone died

      • angelsinca

        The lawsuit against NBC for editing the 911 to portray him as a racist will mean he won’t need a job. His celebrity is enough. If he was smart, he’d use the opportunity to redem his himself and donate half the espected award to the Martin family.

    • Shirley Pankey

      what they are trying to do his build him up to be something he isn’t. I can’t wait until he f’s up again and they all get the rotten eggs on their face they deserve.

      • GreginPottsville

        You really harbor a lot of hate. I see that from most liberals. Lots of hate.

        • Peoples425

          You truly are about as dumb as most of your posts make you look.

          • angelsinca

            When it finally occurs to you how idiotic it is to call people dumb because you disagree with them, you will fell pretty stupid. Based on your comments though, there isn’t much danger of that realization happening anytime soon.

          • Peoples425

            I already know how this can be prejudicial and therefore perceived to be idiotic, however given the nature of your comments, I haven’t really found this to be a fear in this case.

            The FBI is known for their inconsistencies in their research especially poignant in the case of the Black Panther’s breakfast program being labeled as a “threat to national security”.

          • angelsinca

            Not that the Black Panthers would gave ANY law agency cause for concern when its membership STILL promotes the annihilation of whites. If the FBI got the Zimmerman investigation wrong (though NO proof to the claim), it would be a convenient excuse to hang onto the Zimmerman-must-be-a-racist claim. We call this fanning the flames of racism. Thanks for taking us backwards fifty years.

          • Peoples425

            The Black Panthers have before given many concern for their safety, however misguided that perception may have been.
            What really gets me though is that there have been memberships of whites who have called for and continue to call for the annihilation of minorities and yet, they are frequently dismissed under the guise of “freedom”.
            The things that have been taking us backward 50 years plus has been the legislative maneuvers by the GOP and Tea Party on local levels that have rescinded civil rights for many segments of the population. It’s fairly interesting that there’s not much being said about this though.

          • angelsinca

            “…there have been memberships of whites who have called for and continue to call for the annihilation of minorities..”

            You probably don’t hear about much beause it is so infrequent and conmpletely overshadowed by the racism of black leaders. Al Sharpton-what a cracker croaker.

          • Peoples425

            “You probably don’t hear much in the news about this type of ‘membership’ because it is so infrequent and completely overshadowed by the racism of minority leaders and groups”

            This is subjective and by far one of the most delusional commentary that I have read in a while. You don’t hear about it because they don’t repeat it consistently on TV like they do with minorities and their supposed “racism”.

            If this truly was the case, then why is it that when the current President was elected, hate groups (domestic terrorists, particularly those which target minorities) increased dramatically? This is documented with the Southern Poverty Law Center and has shown an increase well over 400%. Let’s not mention the death threats toward the now president that surpassed the previous president within the 1st year.

            Your commentary holds little value simply on the basis that you do not have any evidence, anecdotal or factual, to corroborate your story.

          • angelsinca

            I’m sorry you are unable to understand the humor of dentistry and another declared ‘war’.

            You don’t suppose the SPLC’s unique definition of ‘hate group’ has anything to do with its 400% claim, do you? They also claim an 813% increase in ‘patriot groups’ since Obama was elected. What does that tell you?

        • Russell Byrd

          Well, in your case you are certainly correct. We do hate insulting, irrelevant, off-topic, lying disruptors. Life for you must be miserably disappointing to have to spend so much time laughing at people that have continued to make a fool of you.

  • Catskinner

    The justice department should have given Zimmerman’s gun back after he was acquitted. They didn’t; he’s under threat; it’s good that someone is seeing to it that Zimmerman will be armed.

    • GreginPottsville

      I think many of the libs here would rather a black teen shoots him in the head, much like the two black teens in Georgia who shot the white baby “for the fun of it”. The libs here really don’t know how racist they truly are.

      • Lovefacts

        You and Lana and your friends fascinate me. Not once have I, and others, said anything racist. Yet, I find that today’s “conservatives,” who are most likely T-party, are very free with their name-calling and verbal attacks.

        On this site, we tend to discuss issues. And those of us who love history, or have lived it, share that knowledge and experience. We don’t always agree. Even among “liberals and progressive” there’s a difference of opinion. However when you offer an opinion, we don’t call you names–a few do but not the majority. Yet, the first reaction from you and others is to attack us, as if what we have to say has no value.

        As for not knowing what the right believes, that’s false. We Americans are constantly bombarded with the Republican view, even via network news. We are familiar with what your ideology. But are you familiar with what we believe or why we believe it?

        If you’re here for any other reason than to throw verbal bombs, it might go a long way toward understanding us if you asked why we think a specific way on an issue. This is the only way we’ll heal the country. However, from your actions and those of your compatriots, I believe you all enjoy, and possibly feel all powerful, while tossing those hate bombs at us–anonymously of course.

        • GreginPottsville

          Liberals here don’t call conservatives names? Are you kidding me? I have been told I have mental diseases. Comments were made about my Mom (who nobody here knows). I have had comments about my sexual organs. Are you that blind?

          • Russell Byrd

            BUT ALL WERE TRUE! 🙂

          • Lovefacts

            I suggest you reread what I wrote. I said I DID NOT call people names and neither did the MAJORITY of the people on this list. Yes, some do. And when they do, I’ll call them out on it, unless a flame war’s started. Name-calling accomplishes the following: distrust, stops discussions, and, as my Texas Daddy always said, it proves whoever resorted to it did so because they didn’t have logic or the facts on their side.

            And in case you haven’t noticed, I’ve never called you or anyone else on this list a name. Yet, you lashed out at me.

          • angelsinca

            If all liberals behaved like you, Lovefacts, there would be many more conservatives willing to cooperate with the left.

          • angelsinca

            There are a few exceptions to the typical liberals you describe that frequent this site. The Memo is a liberal rag. They bash republicans and conservatives, especially the TEA party. Their readership comes here mostly to take comfort in the GOP bash-fest. Not sure what good the Memo produces for society other than to incite the liberal’s dislike for the conservative. Vicious cycle, mostly predictable.

          • GreginPottsville

            I couldn’t agree with you more or state it any better than you just did. Thanks.

        • DEFENDER88

          *However when you offer an opinion, we don’t call you names–a few do but not the majority*
          Really?
          You must be fairly new to this site.
          When I merely stated (early-on) the facts of this case(TM,GZ) and facts of the the jury decision – I was called/labeled a racist by MANY in here, NOT just a few. I have seen more race baiting, hate and fear mongering in here than I want to see ever, including calls to kill GZ. In fact there is one post in here on this page calling for a kid to kill him (*I hope he does get a gun; I hope he follows another kid; and that kid shoots HIM by standing his ground!*) – so much for your healing the country in here.
          1st the Facts of the case(Just the Facts not opinion):
          – TM attacked GZ, broke his nose and knocked him down
          – TM got on top of GZ and was pounding his head into concrete(a fight move that can kill even the biggest/toughest man)
          – These Facts are why the jury found GZ justified in shooting and thus not guilty since he feared for his life under this known deadly attack.
          So, here is an OPINION for you to consider.
          I think TM was an angry young black kid who took out his anger on GZ. And what we as a nation should really be talking about is why was he so angry. Could it be, OH I dont know, maybe 300 yrs of slavery, descrimination, maybe some recent personal bad previous profiling experience, maybe a bleak job future? But that seems to be an issue/s no one in here to wants to consider.
          Since it involves solving the hard problems,
          – Recognizing continued descrimination still exists but also that we have made progress
          – Mutual respect and understanding of where each is coming from white, black, mexican, etc
          – Black on Black crime(there are lots of young black teens killing each other all over this country(hell its an epidemic in the cities)
          – The problem of single parent black homes,
          – The problem of the perpetuating welfare/poverty cycle.
          etc and the other larger issues and the causes, etc.
          Not promoting a Race War like some in here seem to be spoiling for.
          It is so much easier to just blame GZ as a racist gun happy murderer – pat each other on the back and blame guns, conservatives, and everything else, and label anyone with a different view as a Racist so they can feel good about having done something(How convenient). instead of actually discussing the fundamental problems which we know are leading to the death of hundreds of young black men every year and just might have lead or contributed to this tradgedy.

      • Catskinner

        They’re the most racist people on the face of the planet, Gregin…

  • joe kidd

    Let’s take a look at the killings in Chicago where Obama was once a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER .. Chicago has the highest murder rate- Highest in the U.S. but the media is silent about Chicago and its mayor who was once Obama’s Chief of Staff, go figure that out

    • Russell Byrd

      And regardless of how false your drivel is, it is still totally off-topic.

  • Peoples425

    This is just flat out stupidity at it’s finest, but given the overall intellectual aptitude of Ohio and Florida, I can’t be too rightly surprised. Looking at the responses from people like Tim Lockhart… it continues to illustrate that there simply is no intelligent life useful in defending Zimmerman. It is only those with less than half a brain that continue to support this racist, prejudicial loser who continues to act as judge, jury and executioner in a gated community. Neighborhood Watch (the actual organization) never claimed this guy to work with them, that should tell you something about him right there.

    • angelsinca

      The FBI failed to find any sign of racism in Zimmerman’s actions. At least you won’t let that stop you from playing make-believe.

      • Peoples425

        Given the fact that Zimmerman profiled the kid before he put his hood up and that he was on a phone at the time walking home NOT looking into windows and such as it was stated by Zimmerman, there’s no conclusion that there was a prejudicial bias that came along with his profiling. Whether or not this was predicated on race, age or just the fact that Zimmerman may have been hallucinating (no toxicology done on him that night or anytime afterward. Strange since this is a common practice in most homicide cases) with the medication that he was taking at the time.

        I don’t have to imagine much in this case… the evidence speaks fairly loud and clear, but just about all the Zimmerman supporters are too deaf to hear it.

        • angelsinca

          “evidence speaks fairly loud and clear, ”

          It does. But she wasn’t speaking to a vengeful public. She was talking to the jury. Anarchists refuse to accept verdicts, just like racists must find racism.

          • Peoples425

            Those with brains can question the system that has proven to be misguided and underhanded in its application of legal justice. Obviously, this category doesn’t include many who continue to defend someone who brings a loaded gun into a confrontation with someone they were intending to “follow” and report on.

          • angelsinca

            The system is broken. OJ was just paroled.

          • Peoples425

            The system was broken when it was instituted and therefore this one incident is not a signifying indicator.

          • angelsinca

            Accordingly, the Zimmerman trial is not a signifying indicator that the justice system is broken. It appears the sarcasm of OJ parole was lost.

          • Rhonda Lowenstein

            And YET he served more time than Zimmerman ever will; UNLESS he does this again, which he WILL!

          • angelsinca

            Since you have the magic ability to see into the future, who is winning the 4th race at The Downs?

          • Rhonda Lowenstein

            Don’t care and completely irrelevant. If you can’t come up with a compelling argument then don’t bother posting. Those who are irresponsible gun owners like Mr. Zimmerman are bound to repeat their stupidity. This isn’t foreseeing the future, this simply common sense. For SOME of us anyway….

  • Jim Myers

    No matter what anyone thinks, a young black man, (approximately 160 pounds), is dead because a 220 pound ex-bounder stalked him.

    To think a 17 year old, 160 pound man, would beat the crap out of a 220 pound ex-bouncer who was stalking him, is ludicrous.

    • DEFENDER88

      The facts of the case showed that TM is dead because he attacked GZ(broke his nose) and tried to kill him(pounding his head on concrete).
      And that is why the jury found GZ justified in shooting TM and thus not guilty.
      Also testimony of GZ trainer said he was in poor condition and not even capable of an average *punch*. Just facts and testimony, not my opinion.
      ps I am not *defending* anyone, just stating the facts.
      My opinion? I think we should consider what would enrage a young black teen to do this? It seems to be happening a lot in our cities with hundreds of black teens killing each other just in Chicago. I can think of a lot of reasons for them to be upset, depressed and mad but not sure I understand this level of rage. But then again I am not black so I really cant relate, nor fully understand their experiences/difficulties.

    • angelsinca

      The weight doesn’t have to match when the perp tackles you from behind and tries to take away your weapon.

  • bestofandy

    Why does the PAC not arm 17-year old black kids with guns and say “stand your ground”. Well the obvious answer is these black teenagers are profiled as “bad guys” and they will likely rob someone instead.

  • AttilatheBlond

    A gun and holster are not expensive. This is another RW schumck scam to separate gullible RW fools from the money, again.

  • Darian Tatum

    One thing that stands out is this……why did he get out of his car and follow the boy? Would he have followed him without a gun?

    • melvia Jackson

      Tatum:
      I have asked that question repeatedly so far no one has answered.maybe its because it shows that Zimmermen was a coward and felt safe because he had that gun.Also whats with that phrase( sucker punched )Z what witness testifyed that they saw Trayvon hit Z with a sucker punch? These people just want to believe that their hero is telling the truth.

  • Justin Napolitano

    Buy him a gun? They should buy one for themselves, stick it up their rectum and pull the trigger. This is how these stupid people blow their brains out.

  • Justin Napolitano

    If I was Zimmerman I would move to another country before someone shoots him, just for fun.

    • angelsinca

      For someone that dispises that Trayvon was shot and killed, you seem to be a bit cavalier toward shooting Zimmerman. A life is a life, and isn’t worth any less just because you like it less.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Yes, a life is a life unless it is a black teenager doing nothing more than walking home.

        • angelsinca

          What did his color have to do with anything, except that there were burlglaries in the area by several black youths.

          • Justin Napolitano

            What did color have to do with it? Your reply said it all “there were burglaries in the area by several BLACK youths”

  • dave W

    You’d have rather had George Zimmerman dead from getting his head pounded into the sidewalk by that poor sweet Trayvon Martin…idiots.

  • Bill Smith

    We all know the black community outcry would be overwhelming if a young black boy shot a white/mexican who was beating him on the ground. Right…?

    • Bill Smith

      Like they would all be screaming, “That black boy deserves to die for murder!” Yeah, whatever.

  • Laura

    George Zimmerman followed Trayvon then shot him. If he would have stayed in his car this young man would be alive today, George was looking for trouble. He killed a unarmed teen..